REVENGE part 17, Tell all books, scandalous claims and royal gossip

Advising people to grey rock is not advising them to do nothing. It's telling them how they should deal with someone constantly demanding attention.

The types of 'experts' I was referring to were mental health professionals. That could conceivably range the gamut from social workers to psychologists to psychiatrists. And those types do frequently give this type of advice. Not reacting to provocation is especially important to those in the public eye. It's just more complicated when they are genuinely concerned about their family member. And given Harry's history of mental health issues, they probably are still concerned for him, no matter how infuriating his behavior.

Thank you. I wish this series of threads could contain all things Harry & Meghan, instead of so many competing threads.

Actually, these threads have helped me understand the nature of narcissists and have given me useful techniques to deal with them. I wish I had learned this earlier. I say good for Charles and Williams -- they're approaching the Harkles just the right way.

I just finished watching 60 minutes, where they had a story on children from Ukraine who have been sent over here to America to receive cancer treatment in a safe place that the Russians can't blow up. These people have suffered, children and parents. How, after watching something like that, do you explain these two wanting people to feel sorry for them?

I suspect some of you have seen the Youtube poster dealing with narcissists, H. G. Tudor. He has spoken about how he advises people about dealing with such people and I've even heard him say that he has met M, but has not expanded on that.

I couldn't help wondering at the time of the Queen's funeral if he was perhaps offering advice to the BRF on how to deal with the Harkles. I noticed that HGT was not posting during all the funeral events which seemed odd. But then he returned afterward and analyzed some of the video - of Sophie and M in the car together with S completely ignoring M for one. And, of course, the walk-about videos. And HGT was lavish with his praise, remarking how the Royals had obviously received advice on grey rocking and were following that advice splendidly.

It was amusing to wonder if the BRF were getting private lessons.

r5 The video about Sophie and Meghan in the funeral car was excellent.

Is there a link to that one? Would love to watch

r7 Here you go

Thanks !

Lady C was saying that Charles is being somewhat lenient due to fatherly love and a genuine fear that Harry could top himself. The even greater fear Charles is has is a young, widowed Meghan. Whether true or not, could you imagine a windowed Meghan at 45 with little kids, the abandoned Royal? This is Charles real fear according to LC and I don't blame him!!!

Windowed Meghan, R10? Do you mean defenestrated?

No, I meant widowed , R11, but I do appreciate the new word. I did look it up!

R12 - that was a new word for me this year, too, after a spate of oligarchs and Putin critics mysteriously falling out of windows. First came doctors during the height of the Covid crisis.

Remember the bankers and scientists who mysteriously tumbled from windows a few years back.....

R6, yes it’s interesting and that photo was widely reproduced but it is -one- photo. A whole treatise created on the look of one photo. I just wish it was more.

Lady Sarah Chatto was at the Christmas event the other night. Too cold for her usual sweater. She even appears to have worn lipstick! Doesn't look very happy, though.

New pic of Alexander Ogilvy in the DM - god, he's so handsome. His hair is incredible.

Gee, just when we thought the clowns were done for this year...

R18 6th in Line to the Throne and 6th on the Call Sheet Present!

To be released 12/31, R18... Netflix is throwing out the trash at the end of the year, I see.

I'm sure Harry and Meghan thinks this gives them gravitas, but it looks like standard, boring docu fare. Most documentaries are so boilerplate these days they're a waste of time - same cliché editing, same cliché music, same cliché cutaways, same cliché footage. This looks the same.

The Harkles produced this on their own?

No, they just added their names and some talking heads to the production.

This is where Uvalde comes into the picture. And it won't be pretty for her.

Are journalists no longer fact-checking before reporting? Especially subjects that are known to lie all the time? The Harkles are beyond reproach?

Roxane Gay whaling in:

Roxane is equally exhausting as these two. Peas in a pod.

R16 Sarah Chatto was very close to the late Queen. This Christmas event is the first Christmas-y one without her and Sarah might grapple with this.

R23 So they didn’t include that grotesque Uvalde visit in their reality show? Very interesting.

I didn't watch the series, but kept up with it here. There hasn't been a mention of the Uvalde footage. I guess they saved it for their "service" show.

R18 Make it stop. Ugh.

Sure r5, the BRF, who have dealt with this kind of shit for centuries, are taking advice from a YouTuber.

The comments on Roxie's dumb op-ed are scathing. H and M have lost favor in the good old USA.

If Meghan couldn't handle being royal how could she possibly handle politics?

[quote]6th in Line to the Throne and 6th on the Call Sheet Present!

Harry's now 5th in line but it doesn't matter; he'll never be King anyway.

All the shite they throw make Charles & William look better & better.

I guess if you are short of a few bob, you don't care how you look as long as you can pay the bills.

Wonder why Perry is hitching his wagon to this shit show?

I thought this article was amusing: “The global wellness dork and peerless self-saboteur Prince Harry strikes me one such person. Watching the latest instalment of Harry & Meghan, I couldn’t help but marvel at the unpredictable, self-harming behaviour of this sweaty, terminally dissatisfied princeling. Chaotic, unknowable, resentful and definitely angry, he is telly gold.”

Roxane thinks Meg looked flawless in the strappy tomato dress.

They did not produce this new one. They are just the presenters, probably enlisted when Netflix thought their documentary would be a success and it would roll over into this one.

Rest assured that Smegs and Friar Tuck will be taking all the credit.

Sorry, broken link

Harry and Meghan truly think their life is a tragedy. They’ve not realised it’s a comedy Camilla Long Sunday December 18 2022, The Sunday Times

Shock, horror: after watching the Netflix documentary, you can’t say Harry lacks personality. It’s all a big royal panto. Psychiatrists will tell you that certain people cannot help but destroy joy in their lives. However much you try to introduce rationality or calm — or, as someone we know well in California might say, “kollm” — they still run towards the stupidest thing they can The global wellness dork and peerless self-saboteur Prince Harry strikes me one such person. Watching the latest instalment of Harry & Meghan, I couldn’t help but marvel at the unpredictable, self-harming behaviour of this sweaty, terminally dissatisfied princeling. Chaotic, unknowable, resentful and definitely angry, he is telly gold. If, for example, you want an idea of his laser decision-making skills, at one point he tells us he left the country because of “comms teams”. Again and again

R34, trust me, I'll see to it.

R36, r40 thanks but the second link seems to be faulty as well.

Even at her fighting weight on Suits, Markle looked 4 months pregnant at least. I'd love to know how she REALLY got that job.

Sorry about the link. I don’t understand why it is not working.

Article continued; Again and again he described how he upended his life on some furious whim — one house was “so small”; another needed to be abandoned because the “borders are closing”. He justified his path to chaos as a path to happiness or, as Meghan might say, “centredness”, but the couple have now had five houses in five years. If they really put their back into it, their lucky children might match Marilyn Monroe’s miserable tally of 43 houses before she died. Awful, cynical people ricochet in and out of their lives like pinballs: the ridiculous Widow Twanky figure of Tyler Perry, for example, who lent the couple his giant, turd-like mansion overlooking “celebrities” and California scrub. “Another amazing friend who we’ve never met,” trilled Harry. Now indebted to Perry, they tell us they offered up their daughter as payment — would he be Lilibet’s godfather? It was a laugh-out-loud moment. How are they going to explain that to her when she grows up? Traded for a private jet flight and golden bogs. I wasn’t going to watch any more of this convulsing royal panto, having been drained — mostly in laughter — by “Vol 1”. But, my God, I can’t stop. It’s a weird new micro-outrage/decision a minute. How can these two not very bright, generally tasteless, grasping show ponies create such moreish/awful television? It is the comedy of the year.

The second volume continues their “great love story”, which as far as I can see means sitting huffily next to each other at matching his’n’hers taupe laptop stations while obsessively scrolling the sidebar of shame and receiving texts from Beyoncé. At one point a text comes in from William, and there is practically a panto thunderclap. We already know from Tina Brown’s book on the royals that William monitors the couple with Jafar-like intensity. But I had no idea he would make such a hilarious villain, “screaming” at Harry over Megxit while their father says things that “simply weren’t true”. Charles, by the way, is the Magic Mirror in our performance: camp, conniving, silky, dissembling, not really there. And who are the dwarfs? Well, that’s obvious: every last talking head dredged up from some palace coffin to fawn over our poor fleeing princess and the principal boy, Meghan. We learn from one of them, for example, that the duchess always signs off text messages: “Love wins”. Another, some fashion designer, tells us: “It has to be flawless; it has to be perfect,” over footage of the wedding dress, which looked as if it didn’t even fit. No one seems able to state reality: this is, indeed, a “fairytale”. Friends will turn earnestly to the camera and tell us that words can “kill you”. Can they? If you mean the words of Meghan’s flowery, sickening wedding speech, maybe they can. But in general the whole point is: they can’t. Maybe the couple should read some real fairytales to see how difficult life can get.

Some of you may be wondering: how long can this performance go on? My answer is: for ever. We are now merely a couple of legs into a vast nonstop regional tour of this tottering, three-star extravaganza. If there is one lesson to be learnt, it is that not having any real content these days just does not matter. If, for example, these two gong-twanging, mountain-hiking, award-accepting, major-league pillocks can spin out one of the most turgid legal cases in history — Meghan’s copyright action against The Mail on Sunday — into more than 60 minutes, they can probably dramatise anything. Because everything about their lives is inherently funny — you can’t say Harry lacks personality — every single last detail becomes strangely involving. The nonstop Claridge’s lift music — you wonder, do they think this is classy? The mercy flight out of Canada avec dogs. The constant, keening sense they are being attacked by a serious unseen psychological danger, when really what they’re afraid of is spinning headlines that state “Meghan broke royal shoe protocol at Bondi Beach”, or someone saying her hat looks a bit like the poo emoji. If you want to know who the wicked stepmother is, well — it’s us. Just what do they do all day, you want to scream, beyond making stage zucchini muffins with Archie for the cameras and bitching about “your brother”, as Meghan calls William darkly? She may have complained that the royal family was an “orchestrated reality show”, but what does she call this? Harry is such an absolute beta, he has even been faithfully trained to interview her on camera her at any crucial moment. He, of course, is the loser — the man whose life will now never be happy. How can it when he is living with someone who describes a minor couriering glitch as “horrendous”? His life changes continually: it is exhausting and damaging. But who cares when it’s great “entertainment”? —-

Thank you SO much for posting that r40 - r45. It indeed is comedy gold. Bravo.

R40 What a fantastic, gory read! Camilla Long eviscerated them in the proper British way. A very satisfying article, thanks for posting!

She admitted she blew the Suits audition but said she "bonded" with the director over them both being bi-racial. I'm sure we can guess what that really means. It was clearly evident in the pilot episode of Suits just how bad she was at acting.

Thank you for posting the Times article- much appreciated.

I just cannot believe ANYONE except for Markle herself and Dimwit could have thought she looked good in that red dress. It's got to be one of the worst celebrity looks ever. And so unsuitable for the event they attended. Memorably bad.

Remember back in the early 90s when Cindy C wore a plunging red Versace dress to the Oscars on the arm of Richard Gere? It's like Markle was aiming for that and thought she had a peak-Cindy figure to pull it off. Cindy was also smart enough to wear black shoes.

And Markle should have been wearing spanx or a girdle or something at that Suits link. God help help her if she already was.

If you thought Duchess Delusional looked bad from the front, get a load of the back.

Thank you for posting that fantastic and long article. If anyone is able to post the link via archive it would be much appreciated.

Archive link to the Camilla Long article:

Roxanne Gay from the times article. She's a woke bdsm loving lesbian who wants her own prince charming!

I see at r50 they probably had to squish the backfat up and out just to get the zipper to the top. If you have to rearrange your fat to fit into a garment, use spanx and FGS cover that shit up. Nobody needs to see that. Sheer doesn't count as an effective cover-up. Looks like she struggled to fit into this black one too.

Lol, another Prime Minister distances themselves from Meghan and Harry.

Jacinda is probably pissed that H&M are trying to claim this interview series as their own when they had nothing to do with the creation of the interviews, which were done more than two years ago, well before H&M got involved through Netflix.

She is also appalled at the idea that she could be seen as smearing the New Zealand head of state.

I suppose she's racist now too.

It's extended family Christmas lunch, at Windsor this year, rather than the usual BP. See verboten, below.

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It's not Christmas Day yet, r58, and don't the royals usually spend it in Sandringham?

Charles and Camilla sweetly kissing William, Kate and the kids when greeting each other at the carol service in Westminster Abbey the other evening.

Toronto’s police chief James Ramer has rejected Meghan Markle claims that his officers left her unprotected when she started dating Harry. He denied her claims but said: ‘There are always people who are never going to be happy.’

Oh, the shade! I like this guy.

R60: it's super extended family... Kents, Gloucesters, etc. Sandringham was extended immediate family of the Queen: children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren. Apparently Charles is holding with that tho the site that shall not be linked claims Camilla's two children and their families will be present this year as well, for the first time.

Looking forward to Camilla's children being brought in to the Royal lens. Are there skeletons in their closets?

So Jacinda Adern has dissed pretend-documentalists M and H. Giggle.

^ That will sting. Ardern is a republican, too, though very respectful. That's actually the deadliest kind of republican. No righteous leftie Bolshevism to repel.

That was nice, R61. I'd love to see Meghan curtsy to Kate one day. Not because I believe in showing obeisance but just because I know how much it would bother her.

I do hope Nelson Mandela and Ruth Bader-Ginsburg will come back from the dead to say they had NOTHING to do with Megs and Haz.

And Harry should - to personalize his involvement in somebody else's documentary - include the time Dimwit got punked by a couple of Russian pranksters claiming to be Greta Thunberg.

R64 What the heck are you going on about? Camilla’s kids are ordinary, private citizens. They’ve been at royal functions and weddings but are so low-key, you never noticed them. Her son is a food writer. Daughter has been married to an accountant for 16 years and has three kids. Boring and normal.

Non-British people are not required or expected to curtsy.

But much loved members of the family are.

Hahaha ha. Major Royal Reporter Richard Eden who spouts BRF drivel just got caught using bone of his burner accounts to answer his own tweet. The UK media and tabloids are a joke.

R u sure, R70?

I watched that clip for the first time and I just thought what a bitch, then what an idiot, then what a bitch.

They really did themselves no favours if the whole thing is like that smart assery.

Members of the family are, though, R70, in specific situations. It's part of the deal if you marry in.

Oops. Richard Edens burner twitter account which he named Maureen as he is cosplaying as a middle-aged white woman is chocka full of white supremacist talking points. So a Royal Reporter is promoting white supremacy allegedly on his burner account while attacking Meghan a half black woman on his main account. Account linked below for reference.

R76 = Megstan loon.

R76, when will the FBI arrest us all? Do tell.

They can arrest me if they want. I will parlay it into paid interviews and perhaps a book deal.

I just hope I'm not photographed while "casual" which is Daily Mail speak for "looks like he just rolled out of bed".

If your brother ever screamed at you R79, you can get a Netflix deal too.

As you were in a relationship with her grandson Megs, you curtsy to the Queen as a sign of respect.

Grace Kelly who possessed the class you lack Nutmeg, rehearsed a curtsy several times before her first meeting with Prince Rainier. All this before the internet, but somehow Grace knew.

R80, I don't have a brother who's been screaming at me.

Then again, I'm not a stupid and spoilt whining grifter brat.

Oh no, your big brother screamed at you. Cry me a river

Grey rock also is the manifestation of racial issues held by many African Americans, who will freeze into no-response, no-eye-contact, "dead-to-me" ghosting despite a person being present, once their alarms go off. That these alarms also are often based (in social or work settings where any kind of challenge must be managed) misunderstanding or evasion of objective matters, and no progress is possible.

This is not Markle's game. She is the cunt who hated being considered black until she saw $ in it, and now she is simply a fabulist factory of dishonest grievances. I understand and seek to work with people whose backgrounds and experience make reasonable exchanges difficult. But Markle can be shot into space without a helmet for all the grief she has manufactured in a hateful, self-serving way.

As for her husband, he simply is her tool. And, like all inappropriately handled tools, eventually he will be broken and discarded, with a mountainous pile of accusations made against him in divorce court. After all, she'll still be "Meghan, Duchess of Sussex" in the same way that Sarah Ferguson retains her non-royal title (meaning no HRH).

But…but they organized gifts for over 30 reunified and refugee families! Their brand is oversaturated.

R85 I dont think they mentioned the word Archewell enough

Gifts for 30 migrants? FFS There is no bandwagon they won't jump on and no bandwagon to which they will give a little of somebody else's money. Why aren't they housing migrants in all bedrooms at Chateau Markle?

I’m sure the families appreciated receiving the advance copies of The Spare, and the Happy Holidays! personalized bananas.

R64 none of you would recognise one of Camilla's kids if they fell on you from a great height.

Even the blonde beautiful Spencer daughters are mostly ignored.

Nobody gives fuck all about them.

R72/6 Nearly everyone with a public name has a second, private Twitter account. Nothing in Richard Eden’s (if that what it is) suggests “white supremacy”, you troublemaking, race-baiting cunt.

R61 Kate and Camilla seem to genuinely like each other. That video shows their delight in seeing each other. I remember the giving side eyes throughout the Sussex’s wedding. Suspect their shared loathing of Meghan has created a strong bond.

Their pompous intonations "presenting" a documentary they had fuck-all to do with, is high comedy.

I really don't GAF about either Megan's or Harry's looks. They wouldn't be any nicer people if they were the most gorgeous couple in the world. It's their noxious personalities that make them figures of interest to me. People with massive wealth and privilege who have the accompanying sense of entitlement, but weirdly, also a major sense of grievance, are good for a lot of eye rolling and ridicule.

They set themselves up for it.

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall of Clarence House when the Sussexes issued their demand for a "summit" and an apology.

As the article reporting it noted with stunning understatement, "The Palace has not responded and is not expected to agree to such a meeting or to issue an apology."

Maybe one day when they discover the Lost Continent of Atlantis.

[quote] Maybe one day when they discover the Lost Continent of Atlantis.

When Atlantis will have been discovered at last, can I become its King?

Both Kate and Camilla are very family-centred, both outsiders though in different ways, both focused on doing their role well. I imagine they find it easy to understand each other. MM's alienation of her father and lack of family ties, plus her lack of respect for the monarchy would be a distasteful mystery to Cam and Kate.

Thirty whole families, R85? My parents' small, working class parish does more than that and of course doesn't look for asspats. They're shameless.

R76 My brother and I used to fight all the time when we were little. I should be able to get my own Netflix bitchfest and a movie out of that.

R98 That's nothing. My psycho older sister used to beat the bejesus outta me and I couldn't hit back because she was a girl. The last time she beat me up I was 18.

I think the root of all of this is Meghan was outclassed by Catherine in every sense of the word. From looks, figure, style, precedence, demeanor, ability to get along with people, the list goes on. Catherine’s well adjusted upbringing and closeness to her own family is another obvious advantage, while Meghan only gets along with her mother now because her race is useful ….

[quote]Roxane is equally exhausting as these two. Peas in a pod.

Roxane Gay makes everything a proxy race war because she's resentful that her wealthy family doesn't have the same status in the US as back home. She needs all culture war all the time because the economic issues many POC face are irrelevant to her. Anything that might benefit working class white people as well as POC repulses her. There are a lot of people like her in the mass media because it benefits the money people to keep people from focusing on economics.

Why doesn't Rich Girl Roxane go back to Haiti and help out her people.

r101 People in the mass media like Gayle King, Oprah Winfrey and Don Lemon?

[quote]When Atlantis will have been discovered at last,

That couldn't be the real Harry. He does not have this grasp of the artful use of English-language tenses. I salute you, though, DL-er!

Both also were treated horribly by the press for many years too r96, much worse than Meghan. They got on with it without a TV show.

[quote]From looks, figure, style, precedence, demeanor, ability to get along with people, the list goes on.

Not to mention... I got the heir! No spare parts for me! Ha ha ha ha ha!

I can just see Kate and Camilla down in the jewel room, trying tiaras on, enjoying a sneaky cigarette, and pissing themselves laughing over the Sussexes' latest blunder.

Does the D.M. employ actual staff to screen the comments about the overseas duo? Seems like more than just the standard software screening filters on articles about them.

R76 oh it's you again.

R104 can you imagine those pitiful English teachers at Eton desperately trying to explain to Harry what the future perfect is? LOL.

H.G. Tudor explaining the narcissistic behaviors of Harry's wife on handsome Andrew Gold's podcast. The entire podcast is a very informative and interesting explanation of narcs, but the part about Harry's wife starts at 40:00

The long game is going to the monarchy and the Waleses. Everyone knows that Charles' reign is a bridge one. Meghan and Harry not only failed to take the Waleses down, they made William and Kate look better. The Sussex's constant Me-ism only enhanced the Wales's "It's about the work, not us" aura.

Every time the Sussexes attacked, the Waleses ignored them and went on doing the job with charm and grace. The Waleses came off looking like the grownups in the room; the Sussexes came off looking like the badly behaved kids someone brought to the party that the beautifully mannered Waleses politely had to ignore.

The only interesting thing in this sorry spectacle is where the Sussexes go from here. We all know where William and Kate are going: Up.Up Up!

But the all the bombshell shit from the Sussexes falls flat once the flap dies down. They can only play this card so many times.

The monarchy and Britons don't gove fuck all what Tyler Perry or Oprah or Gayle King or Omid Scobie think. They're like fleas on an elephant's back

With evidence that even American interest is lukewarm at best, what do the Sussexes do? Their market now is America.- but viewership for the Netflix show was half what it was in Britain. The royal shit is really rooted in Britain. But they kicked Britain to the kerb.

They are discovering too late that their strongest card only works in the one place to which they burnt all the bridges.

Harry got into bed for money with people who aired bits of the Bashir interview that many think played a role in Diana's death, and that showed the fictional Diana's bloody body in a coffin.

They sold off their credibility, their integrity, their place in the only game that mattered in the ot place it mattered.

Where are they next year, after Ne6flix, the memoir, and the coronation have vanished into the deep well that is yesterday's news?

[quote] Where are they next year, after Ne6flix, the memoir, and the coronation have vanished into the deep well that is yesterday's news?

I expect they will eventually take up the lifestyle of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. Endless travel, mooching off wealthy acquaintances and celebrities who are willing to put them up, and put up with them, in exchange for a little royal cachet. That way they can downsize to a cheaper house without having to make excuses for doing so.

That will also provide Meghan with opportunities to hunt for a new husband, and Harry a chance to find someone to listen to him complain about his life.

And then the eventual split, leading to the inevitable divorce. Meghan will either make money selling stories to the tabs about the split, or cut a deal for a hefty cash settlement in exchange for signing an NDA. Plus keeping her title, natch.

After that, Harry runs back to his family, who take him back with the understanding that he will remain in the background. Meghan starts a new career as an advocate for victims of domestic violence, unless or until she finds another wealthy guy willing to marry her.

I will be very surprised if they stay together another 5 years.

Charles gave Doria a "royal allowance" who in turn egged on Haz's abhorrent behavior and now has participated in the Netflix mockumentary to stoke the racial accusations against the BRF?

No good deed goes unpunished where Rachel and her mother are concerned.

Megan won't be letting go of that ladle as long as it has a drop of gravy in it. Somerich guy might fuck her once to say he went where a prince did. But hitch his wagon to her big I spill all I see or hear mouth Meghan. I don't think so.

Have DumDum and D-list announced what they are doing for the holidays?

R116 they did publish their Christmas Card like they're the reigning royal family of Santa Barbara.

The first and last photo - Hapless Harry got the looks he so richly deserves.

[quote]Plus keeping her title, natch.

Yeah, but the title is worthless. Technically, a divorced woman is still a Mrs. But she's not married.

More tease pictures of the offspring, to try & tempt the bidders. Is anyone still actually interested in doing the full spread of the kids? Meghan better get them on the block soon, before the interest completely dies. She should really pay Krismomager for tips how to merch these two, complete with plastic surgery referrals.

She might stuff Archie so he will end up looking like a poor foie gras goose (and like her father, those Markle genes are strong), then put him on a diet publicly with WeightWatchers or some other weight loss company.

Lilibet Diana will be merched to death in clothing lines named "Lil' Di" and "My Little Princess", then offered to some rapper for a sex video.

Wow, 122 lies and counting.

R114 There is not an iota of evidence that Charles did anything of the sort. That story was pure bullshit.

As for Doria, it's clear now who set the model for the ruthless opportunism her daughter exhibits. Doria waltzed in and out of Meghan's life at will whilst that poor sod Thomas Markle did the heavy lifting.

When it became advantageous to Doria to appear to be more central to Meghan's life (i.e., oodles of money and an easy sap of a son in law), she waltzes back in, her daughters token black family member.

The years T. Markle put in, the money he spent, the classy education he paid for . . . Forgotten the way Meghan erases anyone who is no longer useful to her.

Doria is like Sally Bowles only without the charm and wit.

I'll bet Harry is forking out support for Doria.

His father?! Please. Charles is notoriously tight with money and is not the fool people like to think he is.

Harry really has been had by both of them. It's pathetic, really. I'd feel sorry for him but I feel too sorry for Thomas Markle, whose bitterness must be staggering.

Could "be quiet money" have been re-branded "a royal allowance" for appearances sake?

If so, too bad Pa Markle didn't get an incentive to lay low.

Whatever the case, whether Doria received money or not, in the end she's still a snake in the grass.

Harry never even met Thomas Markle and he could have. Wasn't he supposed to ask for Meghan's hand from her doting Daddy? He hadn't been approached by tabloids back then but still got totally ignored. Which is probably why the tabloids tempted him. Meghan's a real piece of work.

Harry really has been had by both of them. It's pathetic, really. I'd feel sorry for him but I feel too sorry for Thomas Markle, whose bitterness must be staggering.

Harry is a PoS, a willing participant. As much as I dislike H&M, I don’t blame Markle for shunning her father. He has been hugely disrespectful since her wedding, giving dozens of interviews for cash. Like father, like daughter, to be sure, but he wasn’t forced to engage with tabloids. If he had truly loved his daughter, he would have stayed silent - in spite of H&M’s treatment. There’s a reason they stayed away from him, and I don’t understand the sympathy for him.

Has humanitarian Meghan been to visit her sick father yet? Maybe she would if someone told her that she'd receive an award for it.

Isn't there some picture from something in Canada while Harry and Meagain were first dating where Doria is in Harry's face? Or am I making that up???

R124 I remember reading around the wedding that Charles gave Doria an allowance for clothing and travel related to the wedding. I don’t think it was hush money. But like others have said above, she’s an asshole too.

I'm sure Doria pled poverty and Charles had to foot the bill. As for Thomas Markle being ostracized by his daughter and then turning to the tabloids which unlike his bitch daughter, paid some attention to him: "How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child."

Everyone with Markle DNA is a snake.

Thomas has 5 other grandchildren by his other messy children. By all accounts, he had no real relationship with them.

Meghan vs Catherine is bad enough, as there no way in hell the former can compete with the latter, but the Markles vs the Middletons is even more comical! The Windsors must thank their lucky stars for them.

Yes, r128, there are several photos at the Toronto Invictus games.

I think Thomas Markle is a narc, too. Still, if Meghan were a competent grifter she would have included him and some other family members in the wedding. It's obvious now Doria was in on the scam - she could have kept a watchful eye on Thomas if Meghan was fearful of him spouting off.

From what is rumored to be in that well-publicized letter, she accused him of the worst things. Narc though he is, I don't think Thomas was guilty of those accusations. It was just how she roped Harry in to be her 'savior'. Then it became a Catch-22. Meghan could not invite Thomas given the severity of the accusations or she'd look like a fraud to Harry. If she did invite him under the excuse of palace pressure, she'd be in fear of Thomas exposing her lie.

Plus, Meghan is clearly ashamed of her origins so that sealed the deal in not inviting Thomas or any other relations (plus, who knows how many other things those people would expose about her true personality?). Meghan doesn't know how to human so she doesn't understand how weird she looked with no family in attendance or how endearing she would have appeared to have her buffoonish father walk her down the aisle (certainly didn't hurt Lady Di).

R131, Meghan has other relatives, though, and she kicked all of them to the curb. No one else in Doria's family was invited to the wedding, even though they believed that they were on good terms with her, and Thomas's brother, the one who got her the internship at the embassy in Argentina, was also discarded.

R134, it certainly did hurt that Lady Di's father was an earl. However, I do agree, it could have been endearing to see Meghan and her common looking, though somewhat accomplished, father walk her down the aisle.

I’m posting an article from 3 years ago where Thomas Markle stated: “At this point, they owe me. The royals owe me. Harry owes me, Meghan owes me. What I’ve been through I should be rewarded for.” He said Meghan had always told him she would “take care of me” when he got older. “I’m in my senior years now — it’s time to look after Daddy” He is still giving interviews and has been giving them since early 2018. What a disgusting scumbag.

Dr. Ramani Durvasala,has excellent videos on narcissists.

“What I’ve been through I should be rewarded for.”

Reminds me of MM’s comment in Australia: “I can't believe I'm not getting paid for this."

It’s a shame how Meghan treats her father - Part 2 ..

Even though Thomas Markle worked long hours, he always made sure he was present for Meghan’s special moments & made memories with her

Funny how Doria claimed she raised Meghan.. but no footage of her & Meghan😬

Stop justifying her bad behavior.

Thomas Markle’s behaviour does not excuse Meghan, it explains her. She is scum because she comes from a scum family.

Her scam mother Doria is the head scum.

Like father, like daughter. And it appears, like mother, like daughter. Meghan never had a chance with parents like hers.

R144 I agree. It's the sole issue on which I'm willing to cut the bitch some slack. From Dad she got the idea that the universe should revolve around her and only if it does is her worth confirmed. From Mum she got the message that Self comes first always and that all relationships are transactional -. Influding motherhood.

The most disturbing part of all this to me is how casually Doria took her parenting obligations and then just as casually slipped into the primary role that she hadn't earned - but is now extremely advantageous to Doria in a way it wasn't when Meghan was growing up and Doria couldn't be bothered.

Every relationship in Meghan's life has this transactional aura about it. She wouldn't have given Harry the time of day if he'd been some middle-management type she met at a cocktail party in Toronto.

That's the core of her approach to relationships. The question is, what happens to Harry the day she's gotten everything she can out of the Windsor connection and is tired of managing an angry man-child in order to keep the connection?

There was a passage in Bower’s book about how if Pa Markle gave his kids money, he would remind them of it constantly. This is when they were older. So he gives them money but then never lets them forget it and how he expects them to pay it back in some undefined future. So, was it a gift or a loan? If it’s a gift then stop throwing it back in their faces. If it’s a loan, set up repayment terms at the onset. Meghan did grudgingly toss her father a few thousand bucks once she was on Suits. Now he gets paid by the tabloids? Eh.

Hey. I'm the breadwinner of the Markle clan. I brought in millions by marrying a rich oaf.

Sorry if already posted but from the site that shall not be linked, a real OUCH!:

"Harry has been able to wail about his treatment at the 2020 Sandringham summit because there are no records of the event. The Queen, on advice, was taking no chances on the day, sanctioning a security sweep of the library where the meeting took place to ensure there were no bugs. Meghan was not allowed to join via video link. That late decision was apparently made because no one could be sure who would be in the room with her in the US or that proceedings wouldn't be taped for posterity. A source said that Harry, deprived of Meghan's support, was as useful as a 'ventriloquist's dummy without an arm up its back'."

I really doubt it anyone in the RF really care anymore what happens to Harry. Even if he leaves Megan(which I think will never happen)they won't want him back..

Sometimes, you really have to let go absolutely of toxic family. And Harry is about as toxic as you can get.

Dad Markle was a well-respected lighting director. His co-workers and friends had nothing but good things to say about him. The same for Meghan's schools where he donated considerable time to school plays and presentations.

He was still giving her money during her lean acting years and gave a considerable wedding gift for her first marriage. The guy might not be the brightest bulb, and seems to be easily manipulated. To me, he sounds very hurt and put-upon, after all the years of trying to do the best by his youngest daughter. Now Doria is reaping the benefits, and he doesn't even rate a visit.

Where do you see him fitting the parameters of NPD?

Calling in the tabloids, R150. Should have kept his mouth shut a la the BRF and let her flounder without letters being leaked and all that shit. He doesn't look all that dignified - esp arranging with Lady C to go to gentlemen's clubs and the stupid horserace, whatever it's called, and then backing out - their Fox News people were involved - forget the name of the tacky channel. GB News or some such. He's Caitlin Jenner trying to get in, on the side, and failing miserably to out Kardashian his egomaniac daughter(s) and son(s)

R151 he was mortally wounded that the daughter he spoiled refused to introduce her fiance to him. She was a total bitch and the tabloids exploited his hurt feelings. Totally understandable and Meghan has nobody to blame but herself.

^R151 have you had kids? Have you had a child who you loved, & gave loads to, who then shit on you publicly over & over? If not not then I don't you know how he feels, or can Id with how he acts. My gran. used to say to us know it all judgmental kids, if you haven't walked a mile in his moccasins..STFU!!

He can be a bitch AND she can be a bitch. This malady runs in families - it's probably half genetic, half environment... so they say. And how did it work out for Thomas, getting in the pigpen too?

r151 He backed out because he had a major stroke

Thomas finally admitted to himself what im sure he knew about Megs over the years was actually true. She didnt love him,she used him,and she discarded him.Like he saw her do countless times .He just thought she'd never do it to her "beloved daddy" . SHe isnt a good enough actress to hide her true face,so Im sure he got a taste more than once .

[quote] The Queen, on advice, was taking no chances on the day, sanctioning a security sweep of the library where the meeting took place to ensure there were no bugs.

A good decision on the queen’s part, but how sad. The need for such caution would have been unthinkable before Harry met Meghan.

When you look at the video from R140, you can see Pa Markle bent over backwards to make his youngest daughter happy, but that homely child had the nastiest attitude even at a young age. Perhaps Pa felt guilty about the divorce and subsequent maternal abandonment and tried to appease her and cajole her, but turned her into a selfish little monster from overindulgence (like a kid with Chinese little emperor syndrome). I feel sorry for the man, he tried his best under the circumstances.

Doria should have known better than to speak on camera. She comes across to me as a lowdown racebaiting gaslighter and a greedy grifter type who has ever so conveniently come waltzing back in her cunty daughter’s life. But hey, the acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Whoever called Harry 'Friar Tuck' above made me laugh. His hair looks like shit. He used to tease William about being bald but I think in the long run William will look much better without hair than Harry will.

[quote]Doria should have known better than to speak on camera. She comes across to me as a lowdown racebaiting gaslighter and a greedy grifter type who has ever so conveniently come waltzing back in her cunty daughter’s life. But hey, the acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Exactly how she came across to me as well, R158. And I was neutral to positive on her before. Watching her play along with the fiction that she was the present parent was kinda sickening.

I felt a bit sorry for Doria. Clearly she has big secrets to conceal and she would prefer to remain under the radar. But when you sign a deal with the devil, the deal stays signed.

Leopold and Loeb. The Harkles are two psychotics who met and now think they are the Ubermench.

The entire Markle clan is repellent: Rachel, Doria, Pa Markle, Tom Jr., Sam, the newly unearthed alibi providing niece/lawyer and adoptee ginger brat Haz. Haz will be returned to the orphanage like a Russian adoptee with behavioral problems the moment he is no longer useful.

There was a story from the school she attended that when she didn't get the lead in a play, she tried to get her father to back out of his promise to help with the lighting. He still helped and she was furious. What a little bitch.

It seems to me like Doria is continuing to do the bare minimum. So maybe not the best mother in the world, but not necessarily opportunistic or inconsistent.

She has shown up in Megan’s public life when Meghan absolutely had to produce a warm body, but she just makes an appearance and then disappears again.

I watched the Netflix series and saw her in it, but was pretty zoned out. What did she say?

It is interesting that the press leave Doria alone so completely. But she is a private citizen and seems attention-averse.

Doria is the brains behind this entire long con.

[quote]Doria is the brains behind this entire long con.

Yep, she's the silent partner pulling all the strings. With the added bonus of the press leaving her alone lest they be accused of being racist.

I posted R148, and while I think it's fun for us and infuriating for them, I'm questioning it.

First, why would you sweep a room for bugs when Harry hadn't yet been in it? Are staff at Sandringham that untrustworthy?

Second, his first wife wasn't yet in the States, was she? She was still in Canada then, I think. In fact sure of it as they booted back to the States due to COVID border closure fears.

The only bit I find plausible is Harry's first wife was excluded because if Zooming in, nobody knew who'd be sitting next to her off camera and, of course, the recording risk.

Still, it was funny and will drive them nuts because you know they read it.

I remember around the time the Summit occurred it was stated that Meghan was allowed no participation, even by Skype or phone or whatever. I believe that part was true, too (otherwise, why would the gruesome twosome be so damn upset she wasn't there?).

“Harry’s first wife” sounds really obsessive (not to mention dumb). I can understand using “H&M” or “Harkles” for brevity, but to go into trouble of typing that in every sentence? You might as well start calling her “she who should not be named” or something like that.

I hope they confiscated Haz's phone before he entered the summit. They should have also done an airport type security pat down and waved that handheld metal detector wand over him.

Actually, they should do that each and every time Harry and his harridan come sashaying in making demands or else....

Interesting, out of left field take, R166. Can you say more about it?

r172, unlike Meghan, Doria has lived the life of a black woman and can feed Meghan angles to highlight that Meghan would know nothing about because she hasn't lived it. Doria gets to fly under the radar while being a ghost writer.

R151, MM leaked her letter to the press when Thomas didn’t (via friends). He then released it, as those leaks made inaccurate assertions.

She stopped speaking to him for a while after that r164. It was in one of the books.

R170, you could argue the same about four sentences of refutation and recommendations for approved alternatives. You must be hoarse, telling everybody what to do but I suppose that's the burden you bear for your gifts.

This guy's take jibes with mine--MM as spotlight-seeking adventuress. She "... strikes this observer as a kind of wily Santa Monica mountain lion which finally found its real quarry: no, not a prince — an audience."

[quote]First, why would you sweep a room for bugs when Harry hadn't yet been in it?

routine security when delicate matters are going to be discussed by a Head of State

Exactly my thoughts. There's nothing that seems unusual about it to me.

Meghan should be constantly reminded that it is not Charles or William's job to "coddle" her.

Just like she said it wasn't her job to "coddle" the Palace staff who complained of her bullying.

On Twitter, everybody's taking the piss out of Markle's claim she didn't know how to curtsy when she'd done one in Suits. This woman is a total fabulist: why tell the truth when a lie would be more interesting? She IS Donald Trump.

Are US security services now paying attention? This article is a bit alarming as to what they are doing , and it's all out of self interest. What a pair of cunts.

R182 Harry can be kicked out of the US tomorrow. He's an imbecile if he thinks his whining supercedes relations between the UK and the US. He has no right to live in the US. Being married to a US citizen doesn't give right of abode to a foreigner. He'd better shut up or he'll be getting a visit from ICE.

The US loves the Commonwealth: it helps to keep Western influences vs. Chinese influences growing too great in developing countries.

The Hill is well-informed on DC and this looks like a first shot over the bow to warn the Markles to STFU.

The fact that Joe Biden made a point of having a photo op with William in Boston should tell Harry he can shut up now.

Hilary did the award for Sophie too. Seems a bit co=ordinated. I am not going to be shocked if they are monitored by the US agencies after that article.

Can't it be Freedom of Information for what his visa is? I bet he was there on a diplomatic, and maybe still is.

Jacinda Ardern's dissing the Markles was notable too. I have a feeling Rishi Sunak will be reacting to Harry's "memoir" with Biden.

R186 he no doubt came here on a diplomatic passport - he certainly never applied for a Green Card prior to coming to the US - which he would have had to do at least a year before he could have immigrated. This is also a reason he's whining to get his IPP status back. He doesn't give a shit about security, what he's worried about is the UK government taking his diplomatic passport. Without that, he's out on his ass. And paying a shitload of taxes.

They're both such pieces of shit it's incredible that they found each other. I'll never believe she loves him or feels any lust for him. As for Dimwit, he was absolutely desperate to get married and have kids.

"I never knew I was trapped until Meghan told me I was"

Complete and total idiot. Wait until she's done with him and points out all his failings, then conveniently blames them all as from him being damaged by his family. He'll be alone, resenting his family for costing him the "person he was destined to be with" on top of all his other petty grievances he's exploded into major issues.

I would laugh out loud if idiot Harry got deported over his nasty comments about the Commonwealth. Let him drag his sorry ginger ass back to the UK and think about his sins.

Where could Harry even live? Just because he's a citizen of the Commonwealth, doesn't mean he can live in any Commonwealth country. No Canada, no New Zealand, no South Africa for him.

r191 He can live in any country of which his father is head of state, I should imagine. Whether he would be actually welcome in any of those countries is another matter entirely. It's not only people in the UK who are appalled and repulsed by his behaviour.

He'd have to go back to the UK. If Meghan wanted to keep the family together, she'd have to go with him and bring the kids. The British government wouldn't deport Meghan even after everything--that would be phenomenally shitty optics. It would be much more fun to give her asylum and make her live in the country she hates where everyone hates her.

There's an O. Henry ending for you.

Is there anyway we could revoke Harry's wife's US citizenship? She's embarrassed us enough and insists on dragging us into her delusion. The crazy bitch needs to stop talking for us. No you narc, most Americans aren't dim like your husband or delightfully deceitful like you.

That's a good question. UK DLers, if Harry were treated like an ordinary person, where could he go if the US kicks him out? What are the immigration rules for UK citizens wanting to live in Commonwealth nations?

Of course, even if the Commonwealth nations let him in, would they let in Meghan?

They'd be extremely unwelcome in Australia. Morning tv shows are always making international news for roasting them.

Botswana: apparently PW pointed out to Dimwit that Markle was the third gf he'd taken there. That's kind of hilarious.

I looked it up, and while being a UK citizen makes travel and short-term visits to Commonwealth countries easier, individual countries won't let you move permanently unless you go through the same immigration process as everybody else.

This was why the BRF wanted Harry and Meghan to slow down before announcing their decision to leave the UK: Immigration, security, stable income were all big issues that needed to be sorted out. But the Sussexes were determined to go.

R195 There’s no right of abode in any Commonwealth country, including the realms. Anyone wanting to emigrate to Canada or Australia, for example, has to apply like anyone else. Harry doesn’t have any extra special status just because he’s the son of the monarch. He would need a visa just like anyone else. If he was actually working for the Commnwealth, that would be a differnt matter but he’s not so he’s really just a private citizen with a title. No more significant or important in real terms than Countess Luann’s.

^different

Africans, in general, value family and value their elders. They might feel good that someone of African descent married into the family (again - hello Queen Charlotte), but to see how she and her husband treated their families would have been a massive turn off for them, culturally.

They really don't fit anywhere but in America, where elders are regularly thrown to the dogs and the only thing that matters is what your skin colour is and how you "identify". Nowhere else in the world is like that. I'd say they're stuck there.

Harry had better be working on a green card, then: INS can fuck you over a hundred different ways. If Harry had kept his mouth shut and focused on making money, he wouldn't have had a problem: Rich people rarely do. But if he makes himself a political liability, the US Government might enjoy making an example of him.

I'm certain he has a diplomatic visa and that INS will never touch him.

How long does one retain a diplomatic visa if not employed as a government representative? Harry left that gig behind years ago.

I agree it's ridiculous that Harry should have a diplomatic visa, but I'm still convinced he has one.

From the State Department website:

[quote]To qualify for an A-1 or A-2 visa, you must be traveling to the United States on behalf of your national government to engage solely in official activities for that government. The specific duties or services that will be performed must be governmental in character or nature, as determined by the U.S. Department of State, in accordance with U.S. immigration laws. Government officials traveling to the United States to perform non-governmental functions of a commercial nature, or traveling as tourists, require the appropriate visas and do not qualify for A visas. The fact that there may be government interest or control in a given organization is not in itself the defining factor in determining if you qualify for an A visa.

The one exception are heads of state, who always get A visas, but Harry will never be that.

I highly doubt that, R202. Those visas are explicitly for people working for a government or representing a state. They can’t give him one “just because”. It’ll probably be one of those “special and talented, (ha!) ones. And while a spousal visa isn’t a guarantee, they’re not that difficult to get for self-supporting people from an ally nation without any criminal convictions.

Like everything else in his life, Harry could get the A-1 visa because of who his father is. Immediate family of A-1 visa holders, which Charles is as head of state, qualify for A-1 visa status.

[quote]In addition to a spouse and unmarried sons and daughters, immediate family members who may qualify to receive A-category visas include: any other relative, by blood, marriage, or adoption, of you or your spouse; a domestic partner; and a relative by blood, marriage, or adoption of the domestic partner.

r207 is right. Harry is "eligible" for an A-1 via his father.

You’ve misunderstood that. That only applies to kids & spouses of someone in the US on a diplomatic visa…so that their family can be with them. The King doesn’t live in America.

Come on…think. Just because you’re related to someone who MIGHT qualify for such a visa IF they went to work in the States, they’re entitled to one themselves?

Don’t be ridiculous.

I smell frau. Seriously. Your dimwittedness gives you away.

The State department clearly made an exception for him and will, I suspect, continue to do so. That's why his visa status is a secret.

That little prick called the First Amendment “bonkers”. He was aghast that Americans have freedom of speech.

How very dare they?

R211 nothing guarantees the State Dept will continue to turn a blind eye. The UK is our closest ally. No way the State Dept will let a disgruntled, pain in the ass princeling harm UK relations.

At no point in his entire life has Harry been treated the same way a random member of the public would be treated. Why do we even imagine the US State Department would be any different? A request probably came from the foreign office and was duly complied with by the state department, and he probably has a lifetime A-1 visa.

Harry has nothing to worry about from the INS.

I'm acquainted with a number of people, including family members by marriage, who came to the US on temporary visas and overstayed, thus becoming illegal or undocumented immigrants. They then married US citizens, got their spouse or spouse's family to pony up the bucks for a good immigration lawyer, and got their green cards with no issues at all.

If ordinary people who didn't abide by our immigration laws can easily get green cards, it's absurd to speculate that Harry, with loads of money and influential friends and family, might have any legal concerns regarding his residency in the US.

R215 oh really? Tell that to the petition site about the DACA recipient who is married to a US citizen, has given birth to 3 US citizens and had lived in the US since she was 2. She went to Ciudad Juarez for an appointment with a local administration. When she crossed the International Bridge back to El Paso, she was arrested at Customs and formally expulsed as an undesirable.

USCIS would certainly not grant such favors to somebody as well-known as Harry as right of abode is not connected to marriage to a US citizen. They'd open themselves up to thousands of lawsuits.

How can Americans respect him when he stated he didn't even understand the constitution but criticised free speech anyway? And what he was really criticising was the fact that people can write the truth about the Harkles.

R216, if she can raise the cash to get a high-level immigration attorney, and/or influential people to advocate on her behalf, she'll see her immigration troubles go away.

One of the illegals I referred to in my previous post came to the US on a vacation visa from Ireland, met and married my brother's neighbor, and resided here illegally for several more years. She and her broke hubby were constantly sucking up to my brother with sob stories about one financial crisis after another. They were into him for thousands when she suddenly exploded one day, screaming like a banshee at him about what a bastard he was. Why? Because he hadn't picked up on their numerous hints to give them the cash for a good immigration attorney to get her status legalized.

She eventually found some wealthy woman who fell for her sob story and paid for the lawyer. End result: green card - and like the ones who married into my family, never had to leave the country or follow any of the other supposed rules for people wanting to regularize their status after unlawfully residing in the US.

And two of my relatives are non-whites, so you can't play the race card. It's MONEY - enough to afford a lawyer who knows all the right people and can pull the right strings.

The United States offers a Golden Visa to foreign nationals who invest in certain types of businesses or properties. The visa allows the holder to live and work in the United States for a period of five years, with the possibility of renewing it indefinitely.

The visa also confers permanent residency status on the holder, which allows them to live and work in the United States permanently.

There are a few requirements that must be met in order to qualify for a Golden Visa, including making an investment of at least $1 million in a qualifying business or property, creating or preserving at least 10 full-time jobs for American workers, and passing a background check.

The Golden Visa program was created in 1990 in order to encourage foreign investment in the United States and to create jobs for American workers.

Children of illegals and foreign nationals are not citizens of the U.S. the 14th amendment and it's exposition were very clear.

They do it all the time r216. It's all about the money and who you know.

Do “they”, R221? Who is “they”? Do you actually have any evidence at all or is it just a narrative that you like the sound of?

Harry is married to a US citizen and the father of two more. He could have entered perfectly legally on a visitor visa & then Markle could have applied for the spousal one. Anyone who thinks there was a lot of under the counter deals going on is an idiot. That would risk an international scandal. Lots of famous Brits live and work in the US. It’s really no bigger a deal than her coming here, getting married and then staying (for a while).

I love the gossip on these threads but the idiotic conspiracy theories are seriously fucking annoying.

R222 says the idiot who knows jack shit about immigration and USCIS. If Brits want to immigrate to the US, an American employer needs to apply to USCIS to get a work visa. The employer needs to justify that there is no US citizen who could fill the job and vouch financially for the prospective immigrant. Hollywood studios do this for British actors. Harry has no noticeable talents or accomplishments.

Harry could only get a spousal green card (and he needs a green card as he has been living here non-stop for years now) if it was applied for in the UK and he wouldn't have been allowed entry to the US before an interview was granted at the US Embassy in the UK and he had passed the medical visit. Prince or no prince. Having used drugs, being an alcoholic, having a mental illness (all of which Harry has admitted to) all result in an immediate denial of a green card. And that procedure takes upwards of a year. On a tourist visa, he has to leave the US before 3 months are up. He hasn't noticeably been leaving the US every 3 months.

He is no doubt here using a diplomatic passport, a passport that can be revoked at any time, particularly as he is pissing off Rishi Sunak.

On another note, as per the DM, Andrew has been kicked out of his office in Buckingham Palace. Merry Christmas, buddy...

A journalist should invoke the Freedom of Information Act and find out what visa or passport he’s on. He doesn’t deserve any favors.

r224 Why should Andrew have an office anymore? He'll never show up at any Royal patronage charity or do any Royal work ever again. His office is entirely superfluous.

Apparently, according to a 'royal expert,' Andrew is crushed. He stays at home binge-watching tv and only goes out to go riding a couple times a week. I fear for his mental health.

>>Harry has no noticeable talents or accomplishments.

Except whingeing and preaching for $$$$.

....and juggling!!!!!!

Technically he could be here on a regular tourist visa. He's left the country often enough to renew his six months. Do you suppose Immigration doesn't know he's here? He's at no risk of expulsion.

Letting him be seen juggling in the backyard was very stealth of MM. what a dunce. Emasculation and sheer ridiculous for poor H.

I think Charles is slowly but surely moving in the right direction. First, he makes Andrew's position clear by tearing away Andrew's last emblems of formal royal presence. This makes it easier for Charles not to renew the lease on Frogmore Cottage, which is part of the Crown Estates holdings. These are occupied only at the Sovereign's pleasure, although the Sovereign does not "own" the properties and cannot sell them or keep the rental revenues - those go back to the Treasury.

Once the Title Removal bill goes through, I suspect that the York title is in significant danger - as many have thought, taking the Sussex title would be a dicey matter unless Andtew's is taken, as well.

Charles will continue to grey-rock the Sussexes publicly, spreading about a soothing aroma of oil of cloves as he paces toward his coronation, whislr privately mapping out the longer-term strategy of making sure the Sussexes are fully out of the royal picture.

As far as the coronation goes, the Sussexes, as usual, boxed themselves into a corner: having trashed the institution and the family, showing up at the coronation would be silly: they might as well show up in sandwich boards with Hypocrites for PR in big letters.

Can anyone imagine Harry uttering the Oath of Fealty along with the other Peets of the Realm after what he and Meghan did?!

If Charles did invite them, which no one really knows for sure, he may have done so knowing full well that this time, they won't show up. Doing so would be tacit endorsement of exactly what and whom they have reviled publicly.

The Jubilee was different: that was about the Queen and they thought it would go more to their liking. The funeral was inescapable: they were already on site and, again, it was about the Queen.

But this is about Charles and William, and their consorts: one about to be crowned Queen and the other a future Queen. The coronation will do nothing if not further enhance the aura if importance around the Waleses. It will not be joyous, but bitter for Harry and Meghan.

It's a different animal, and I suspect the Sussexes know that going isn't a realistic option on all those fronts. They'll spin it as a noble snub.

But in truth, their absence will mark the full break, and then Charles can get to work cementing that break.

All this shit about open doors and olive branches is just what it's always been: horseshit.

One thing the BRF knows how to do is wait.

^*Peers (not Peets) of the Realm

In addition to his juggling skills, Jack of All Trades and Master of None Harry is also a Plumber's Apprentice and fixes his and his neighbor's sprinklers.

I wonder who the Publicist or Intern was that stayed up all night coming up with that piece of laughable fiction. "Give Just Harry a tool to banty about and have him spew some nonsense about doing his own home repairs and benevolently helping out the neighbors with their repairs". "What tool? I don't know. Borrow something from the gardener or go to Lowe's and pick something up for Just Harry to wave around". "Who is the neighbor? I don't know. If necessary, go to any restaurant and recruit a Server/Aspiring Actor and pay them a couple of bucks to play the role of "neighbor", but really we don't even need to show or name the neighbor."

The Sussexes have an easy excuse not to attend the coronation since it's also Archie's birthday. Then they can do one of their favorite things and DECLINE an invitation.

If they don't attend the coronation, they will try to divert attention that day with photo ops of all four of them handing out food or clothes to the homeless or perhaps early Memorial Day visits to Veterans' homes, hospitals or cemeteries. It will be cheesy propaganda whatever they do to distract.

They dropped the first picture of their daughter in the middle of the jubilee celebrations and nobody really cared. It was Louis that stole all the attention that weekend. Any shenanigans during the coronation will get lost in the media coverage of the main event.

Revenue from Frogmore would go to the Crown Estate, not the Treasury.

[quote] Having used drugs, being an alcoholic, having a mental illness (all of which Harry has admitted to) all result in an immediate denial of a green card.

This is not true at all.

I’ve been in a green-card interview. They ask whether you’re a terrorist and if you’ve ever tried to overthrow the government. They don’t ask about alcohol consumption. If they did, how would any Brits get into America?

Looks like Lilibet, neither of those kids has red hair except when they touch up the photos

^^^ that is her sister Sam's daughter next to Lilibet

[quote]The employer needs to justify that there is no US citizen who could fill the job and vouch financially for the prospective immigrant.

Hence, the "Chief Impact Officer" position - and it makes sense that it fulfills all the criteron in the above quote... no doubt bought and paid for

Fake Baby Bump?

R243 Fucking piss off.

Did that hit a nerve Smegs?

That’s not a current photo of Lilibet. The baby in that photo is less than a year old! Maybe that was a photo from a year ago.

I could see Harry and Meghan trying for one more baby to push Charles on the issue of the titles: The youngest child would be an automatic prince/princess, while the older ones wouldn't be.

What would be far more likely to happen, of course, is that Charles would simply issue new letters patent that only the heir's heirs get the prince/princess title, ensuring that Archie, Lili, and Baby #3 never get it.

Meghan may have given birth to Archie - as there would have been more supervision of her pregnancy in the UK and she couldn't sneak a "warming pan" baby in there, but I'm sure the second one was a surrogate job. No rich 40 year old woman in Hollywood actually personally carries a fetus.

Oh God, this tired old rumor again. Meghan was clearly pregnant both times--it was obvious from her face and body. She knew, and Harry would have known, that any child born by surrogate would not be eligible to inherit any titles or have a place in the line of succession. It would also have been an impossible secret to keep--the surrogate, the doctors delivering the baby, anybody involved would have had a million-dollar story to tell.

Harry and Meghan are practiced liars, but they didn't lie about the origins of their children.

Who gave birth to Nicole Kidman's kids? Who gave birth to Amber Heard's kid? Who gave birth to Pete and Chasten's kids? These women have to sign unbreakable NDAs. And medical staff can't reveal private information about patients. They'd lose their licenses and get sued to hell and back.

r240, Lili has golden red hair and BLUE BLUE BLUE eyes I will have you know!

R250 Did you not see how Meghan porked out? Fat face and the back fat? No way she would allow that to happen to her unless she was pregnant.

The surrogate for Nicole Kidman or Amber Heard would NOT have a million-dollar story to tell. Nobody cares that much.

A surrogate for Harry and Meghan's baby, given the constitutional implications, would be a very, very different thing.

The focus among some Markle stans on hair and eye color is really gross. If they are as anti-racist as they claim, blue eyes and red hair shouldn't be such a selling point.

R251 What a weird thing to emphasize. She’s such a hammy actress, with that gleam in her eye and her “radio voice” when she says the word blue repeatedly. We get it, you’re a self-hating biracial.

R253 the Buttigieg surrogate sure would. The GOP would pay a shitload of money to show Pete's a liar. Though they might keep that in abeyance if Pete tries to run for President again.

Markle like her Daddy runs to fat. Using a surrogate and faking a pregnancy would give her 9 months to pig out so she could pretend she was pregnant.

That's why I don't understand so many black people supporting Meghan. She identified as white her entire adult life, had white friends, joined a white sorority, and dated/married white men. If the biracial angle weren't serving her current interests, she'd have gone on identifying as white.

Her glee over her very white, blue-eyed children just further proves how much she values Caucasian identifiers.

What would Buttigieg be lying about? It's obvious he and his husband didn't birth those babies themselves.

R259 he claimed they adopted them and didn't even know they were going to get twins! Which is all bullshit. There are zero newborns available for adoption and certainly wouldn't be given to people who have never raised children before. Designer boy-girl twins are inevitably the result of IVF. A woman who goes through IVF is not going to give her babies away. Pete no doubt realized renting a womb like something out of The Handmaid's Tale would hurt him with women voters. And it's hard to justify paying a surrogate when there are 400,000 kids stuck in foster care in this country.

If either Sussex baby were born by surrogate and passed off as "of the body," I don't think the Sussexes could sue whoever blew the whistle, as essentially the Sussexes would have been trying to commit fairly serious fraud. Again, the constitutional implications make them using a surrogate and lying about it very different from an actress doing it.

I could see a pregnant woman who didn't want the baby being happy to give it up for adoption to a powerful politician and his husband.

And it's totally possible to adopt white newborns. Some good friends of mine did it, and they are not rich or influential. It just took them a while to navigate all the hoops. Of course, Buttigieg and his husband could skip all of that.

[quote] I think Charles is slowly but surely moving in the right direction. First, he makes Andrew's position clear by tearing away Andrew's last emblems of formal royal presence. This makes it easier for Charles not to renew the lease on Frogmore Cottage,

I thought this too. This is Charles laying the groundwork potentially for actions needed in the future. He can't do anything with the Sussexes while letting Andrew roam free without any penalties. He is Charles brother and a "much loved member of the family". I'm sure he's fine financially and behind closed doors, but all his public associations with the Royals are being severed. Fergie and Andrew will be at Sandringham. this year.

I don't see Charles taking Frogmore b/c it really is one of the dumpier residences in the Royal portfolio. I loved how the late Queen did everything by action but no discussion. Frogmore Cottage is exactly what she thought Meghan deserved. If M&H had been given a grand KP residence as what was speculated to have been originally planned, I think that would have been a bigger issue. I also don't see them taking the titles, but now with Andrew squared away KC has plenty of options.

[quote]Who gave birth to Nicole Kidman's kids? Who gave birth to Amber Heard's kid? Who gave birth to Pete and Chasten's kids? These women have to sign unbreakable NDAs. And medical staff can't reveal private information about patients. They'd lose their licenses and get sued to hell and back.

Exactly! Who gave birth to Clooney and his anorexic beard's twins or six out of seven of Hilary/Hilaria Baldwin's kids? They know no one involved especially the surrogate will ever speak out and blow their cover, they can't! So Hilaria keeps posting photos of moonbumps and pretending she's really pregnant and closet case Clooney keeps telling tall tales about how "surprised" he was to have twins!

As for Meghan gaining weight, all she had to do is stop the adderall or coke or both for a little while. Or maybe she had an illness or medical condition that forced her to stop the amphetamines for a while. As for Harry knowing about the "of the body" rule, since when do Harry and Meghan care about the rules? Rules don't apply to narcissists and sociopaths. And who in the BRF is going to make it publicly known that they were aware of any wrongdoing of that magnitude? No one would confess to that. Whatever the case, surrogate or not, something off about the timelines of both births. Archie may have been born long before it was announced, not just days. As for Lili, how did a 40 yr old woman have a miscarriage AND conceive again and then give birth all within a year? Seems implausible. But whatever, just speculating and holding up my end of the pointless bitchery tenets of DL membership.

Bouzy went after that Lady Colin Campbell. Isn't she sue happy just like the Harkles? This could get interesting if LCC sues and forces all kinds of secrets to come out.

[quote] In addition to his juggling skills, Jack of All Trades and Master of None Harry is also a Plumber's Apprentice and fixes his and his neighbor's sprinklers.

I though the one thing that gave some insight into Harry from the documentary is that try as he might to say otherwise, he is definitely Charle's son as much as Diana's. Harry has a real love for bird watching (which of course Meghan was mocking w/ camera), nature, and photography.

But Clooney's lies about his kids, if he did lie, would not be a crime. Lying about the origins of Archie and Lili would be, and a fairly serious one. Not worth it.

Meghan's body was wrecked by those pregnancies, and she's now only getting herself in shape over a year later. Her vanity is such that had she used a surrogate, she'd have snapped back into shape to show she was just as fit as Kate, who was back to her old weight a couple of months after giving birth.

I think the mystery about the births was half Harry wanting to maintain privacy for his children (good luck with that married to Megs) and half Megs wanting to create press interest, which never really materialized.

If Harry had even average intelligence, he would have treated Chelsy Davy like gold, married her, resigned from royal duties, and spent the rest of his life chilling in Africa on their private animal sanctuary, financed by her billionaire daddy's money. They could have put in rare appearances at royal events and spent the rest of their time living like insanely rich private citizens.

I actually liked Meghan's cousin, the immigration attorney. She seemed very sincere and there was something about her that gave me the impression that though she accepted Meghan's excuses, she wasn't exactly buying it (this was noted in Variety and few other reviews). Her casual nature with the kids dressed down like any other aunt seemed normal. She didn't go looking for fame or to bite off of Meghan's plate. Of course her job is right on brand with Meghan's agenda so she is also now acceptable to trot out.

[quote]But Clooney's lies about his kids, if he did lie, would not be a crime. Lying about the origins of Archie and Lili would be, and a fairly serious one. Not worth it.

My point about Clooney and Baldwin is that they feel comfortable publicly inventing fantastical stories about the conceptions and births because they know they can't be contradicted by those involved due to NDAs and HIPPA.

Yes it would be very serious to lie about Arch and Lil's births. But narcs don't have the same fears and apprehensions about being dishonest on a grand scale as the average person, it's one of their main characteristics -- that they feel they are above the law and believe they can schmooze anyone into believing anything. See also: Trump and his stash of classified documents at Mar Lago.

Again, speculating and pointless bitching for entertainment purposes only. Except about Trump, that's all true.

I see your points, R270, and it's an interesting theoretical conversation. I'm just laying out reasons why they wouldn't have lied, but honestly who knows with these two.

[quote] Lili has golden red hair and BLUE BLUE BLUE eyes I will have you know!

One hashtags on that post had me lol! #RachelDolezol

I do think Meghan had the kids naturally because her body was never the same after Archie and destroyed after Lili. Some women can not bounce back as easy as others and Meghan was probably fighting the Markle genes with all her might prior to meeting Harry and having the kids.

Say what you will, on pure attractiveness, I think Doria is a very attractive woman and I love her Royal style when she was out at events in the UK.

I'll go so far as to say that Meghan is a very attractive woman. She looked beautiful in those recent red carpet pictures where she was wearing the white dress. Pity about the personality.

Especially during her Suits/Mulroney era, I would say that Meghan was a very pretty, attractive woman. She was not gorgeous or beautiful, IMHO. Now, like some of my friends, she is leaning into fillers which have really widened her face. Also, the massive weaves don't do her any favors either. I like her more simple, Kate-esque hair she had in the earlier years. Her hair now seems to overpower her.

Yes, Morticia Addams hair is a fashion no, as is wearing clothes not tailored to a petite, awkward figure. But Meghan gonna Meghan.

Current styles for women are so bad; specifically, the Morticia Addams witch-do on 40+ women; the claw-like talons, and the horrific tattooed eyebrows.

Luckily there is the technology to correct all of these monumental horrors in the future when they see them on photos.

I agree that Meg should lay off the lip fillers. Just because you’re in California doesn’t mean you have to get the same trout pout as every other woman.

r265 What did he say? That is a sure sign that Lady C rattles Meghan with uncomfortable truths if one of her paid troublemakers is going after someone? Omid once called Lady Colin Campbells youtube channel a hate channel and she reminded him in a subsequent video that suing people goes both ways and what he said was untrue.As far as I know he kept his gob shut after that.

Meghan has always been an awkward unattractive woman just like her homely mother. It's mind boggling how anyone here can think otherwise. She's never been pregnant. Any real pregnant woman will confirm this. NOTHING grew, not even her itty bitties during her fakenancy.

Her neck looked fat as hell the day they met Archbishop Desmond Tutu.

Really, really fat.

And unattractive.

Thick and fat neck from a different angle.

Really? We're dredging up tired conspiracy theories now for another rehash? She was obviously pregnant. I can't stand the poisonous bitch but she definitely carried those kids.

Have you ever been pregnant r282?

Yes, R283. Not that pregnancy is some kind of spell that allows you to suss out real vs fake pregnancies in other women, because that would just be a fucking dumb thing to believe.

Anyone who's ever actually been pregnant knows you cannot squat down with a large late term belly with your knees closed.

Then it's weird that so many women who have had children and who don't even like Markle think she was pregnant. This is a conspiracy theory and all you do is prove the screaming "KLAN GRANNYYYY!" trolls right when you push it. She gives us so much real shit to work with, why bother?

My thinking about MM's inability to regain her figure is that she drinks.

But that's not happening r286. Except in your head.

Look at George’s painting! It’s actually really good.

It's not bad indeed. He might be into painting, fotography, etc, like his mum is. Wouldn't it be funny if he went to St Andrews to study history of art, just like his parents did? (William switched to another subject -- biology? geograhy? -- after the first year though.)

I like the red robins, particularly the fat one sitting on one of the antlers. That one is really well done.

Perhaps Meghan is a method actress and gained weight for the role she was playing?

Like Charlize Theron and Renee Zellweger did for their roles..

FYI, I've been playing with symbolism here a bit, my dear bitches. The fat robin is Auntie Megs sitting on Uncle Harry's cock.

Meth head actress sounds funnier!

The only role dear Megsie plays is victim

Her neck was probably swollen because of her facelift.

For short waisted women, being pregnant can expand your ribs and hips permanently. , thus giving you an even wider waist.

The first kid she gave birth to. There is too much surveillance of the Royal family in the UK. If he wasn't born of the body, everybody would know. A kid born in LaLaLand? No way she gave birth to that kid and no way she had a miscarriage just before. Her surrogate must have miscarried.

Well the Duke and Duchess of Overseas didn't get a mention in the King's Speech unlike the Prince and Princess of Wales.

My favorite conspiracy theory is that Archie was a doll. I laughed every time I saw that one.

Of course she gave birth to Merchie. She needed a meal ticket that would tie her eternally to the Royal Family even if the marriage eventually goes south, so she got up the duff as soon as possible. With Lilibeet she might've used a surrogate although it's highely unlikely. Remember she fucked up her figure not in vain --- just like Merchie, Lilibeet is a grandchild of King Charles and Di. I wouldn't put it past her to have yet another kid. The first two aren't exactly what I'd consider merchable, so the third time might be the charm at last.

Christmas walkabout today. Bea looked nice, although the fake fur on her coat was a bit over the top.

Eug looked just horrible. Was it a bath towel she was wearing?

The Royals walking to church today.

Kate looked lovely with her recyled khaki outfit and her jaunty hat. Eugenie is FAT - pregnant again???

The fashion of Kate.

Louis was the star of the show. He was relatively well behaved. I guess he didn't have much sugar before church. LOL.

George looked the most comfortable I've seen him in a public outing.

Like r303, jaunty is the description for Kate's hat. It's a bit daring compared to her usual choic3s.

Family looked great. Charlotte is again looking like her great-late-majestic grandmother.

They clearly are just going to keep moving on, no matter what the Sussexes do or say.

The Sussexes could have been part of all this. Their mistake was in thinking they could replicate it outside the Golden Circle. But they can't. What you saw today was the Real Thing.

The contrast is only too glaring, andbdhows up the Sussexes for the also-rans they are.

George's painting of a reindeer isn't bad for a kid his age.

Louis is a brat, I think he’ll be taking the Cheeky Chappy crown in his teens. Even today, he smacked his sister with an elf doll, ran away from his mother and exposed his shorts to the photographer.

Beatrice looked fabulous today. I actually loved the faux fur. If you don’t wear it to Christmas, then where are you supposed to wear it? That Edo has been good for her.

R308 Both Philip and Charles were decent amateur water-colourists. It was a well-known side of Charles, but not Philip. It may be George has inherited some artistic streak from father and grandfather. Because that really is quite good for a 9 year old.

I don’t like Kate’s outfit. I feel like the hat, coat, and earrings are all competing. The earrings seem inappropriate for the occasion, even on their own. The hat doesn’t seem to quite match the coat, but it’s not different enough to contrast. It seems like the trim on the hat might match the coat, but not the felt. It just doesn’t work. The coat might look better on someone with a slightly fuller figure. I think the tailoring is lost on her. There is nothing to contour to.

R311 you forgot to mention his mother. Kate is quite artistic, too, she's a lot into visual art.

[quote]There is too much surveillance of the Royal family in the UK. If he wasn't born of the body, everybody would know.

Didn't they rent a place in the Cotswolds for a while to get away from the family? They also went on tons of vacations and babymoons where they could hatch plans if necessary....

I'm trying to piece together all the recent brouhaha involving, Bouzy, Lady C, a YTer named Yankee something and the resurgence of rumors about an engagement H&M did in Liverpool where she wore purple and red and her bump seemed to migrate from her stomach down to her knees. Some of these people seem to be saying that the Press saw what happened and chose not to say anything, others say the BRF asked the Press to be quiet and yet others say that this is when the BRF actually became aware of duplicity. I don't know what to believe. Yet given the extreme mental illness of the parties involved, it's entirely possible. I do hope someone continues to push Lady C's buttons because I'm sure she will sue in retaliation and bring any secrets to the forefront. If, I repeat if, H&M did pull one over, I lean towards the BRF being duped just like everyone else and not being complicit.

I actually think Eug looks cute in the Xmas picture. She doesn't look as fat as before.

They caught Bea at an unfortunate angle. That's Edo's son in the picture with them, right? Is he part Asian? I don't know who his mother is.

Kate's outfit is not khaki, which is a shade of tan. Maybe you're thinking of army green?

I think MM was pregnant. I also think she “enhanced” her pregnancy bump for attention.

That's what I think as well r316. She was pregnant but wore a bump over it to get more press coverage and attention, which would be a very LA d-lister thing to do. Probably told Harry it would "protect" the baby or something that would play on his "safety" paranoia about the public and the press.

King Charles not mentioning the Harkles at all in his Christmas speech is telling. They're officially OUT.

I am of the camp that she gave birth to both the kids. It fucked her body up, and made her wide frame even wider. Like others, I do believe she was augmenting her pregnant belly. With Archie, she most likely carried him high, until he was big enough to start showing. Just being pregnant wasn't enough attention for her, so she had to pad until the later months, when she was a big as a house. She just needed those stereotypical Hollywood bump shots. She was even more blown out after Lili too. Do I have to remind everyone of the refrigerator dress? She must of saw those pictures and hit the roof. She got into shape pretty fast after that, even if she is now boxier than ever.

R315, the Brits call that colour khaki and the Americans call it army green.

[quote]For short waisted women, being pregnant can expand your ribs and hips permanently. , thus giving you an even wider waist.

Meghan's highly unfortunate body shape is one of very few things I have ever come close to feeling real sympathy for. She is extremely short-waisted and as someone just mentioned that horrible beige couture caftan she wore whilst pregnant with Archie REALLY showed how awkward it was to fit so much baby/pregnancy weight into such a small amount of space. Skin doesn't recover from that kind of stretching without surgery and shape rarely if ever recovers (and she was already boxy before she was pregnant). Remember how lumpy she looked at that photo call in Windsor castle for newborn Archie? Must have been a real nightmare underneath her clothes.

How low does your IQ have to be to look at those poor quality red/purple outfit photos and think "fake pregnancy bump drops to ankles but strangely never below the hem of the dress right in front of loads of photographers and they all just agree to not publish the photos because reasons" rather than "camera angles can be distorting/that last shot of the "fallen" bump is clearly just the wind/Meghan's movement causing the fabric of the dress to momentarily billow?"

The BRF has no control over the UK tabloids, who would have gone apeshit over photographic proof of fake bumpery. They don't get stories about themselves held back and they don't get stories about the Harkles held back. That just isn't how it works.

[quote] the Brits call that colour khaki and the Americans call it army green

The Brits call it "cahkky" and the Americans call it "cakky". It heard Jeremy Irons say it the British way and repeated that to my mother, who really started laughing.

r322 I was never convinced by the red and purple pictures. Looks like a gust of wind. And I do think she carried both children because those children are her lifelong link to the BRF, which she VERY much wants, and her meal ticket in the event of divorce.

But I also think she wore a "moonbump" over her real bump. The giveaway for me was when she dropped into an easy crouch and popped right back up again with an apparently large belly. She probably wasn't large enough to get those massive baby belly shots people like the Kardashians have made disgustingly "fashionable" in American gossip magazines, so she "augmented", and it showed.

Lady Louise continues to grow into a young Marianne Faithfull look.

Could the Meghan Wasn't Pregnant tinfoil hatters open their own thread instead of hijacking this one?

Not Kate's best look, but fuck it, she's gonna be QUEEN

Louis is a future Harry.

This is a gossip thread r326. People are gossiping.

Given the size of her stomach in the Suits curtsey video, she probably needed to augment her shape to prove she was pregnant and not just further out of shape.

She likely gave birth to the kids as she is too nasty to the "help" to get away with a secret surrogacy.

OT, old news but still a freaky thing:

The "surrogate" conspiracy theory is distinctively frau-ish, R329, and a very common one among the unhinged, who accuse it of just about every woman in the public eye who's had a baby. It's tedious and trollish, and the criticism is valid. If they're allowed to gossip about it, we're allowed to ask them to give it up.

Fascinating, R330. A similar approach was effective in the US 2016 election and it appears to have been in this case as well. Multiple accounts drop the "racism" term at the drop of a hat, which is then picked up by US news outlets like it's fact. You'll get someone on MSNBC to parrot some pro-Markle nonsense without consideration of the source, or doing any investigation. In Britain, there are always some accounts who parrot this nonsense as well. Right now, there are accounts blaming KCIII for the financial and economic crisis in the UK, when parliament makes those decisions. And these comments make sense to low information residents.

R332 that is actually how trash got introduced into mainstream news. Back before Clinton's impeachment, Drudge would publish some gossipy/misinformation about Clinton which a real journalist would disdain. But then said real journalist would start writing about it, referring to Drudge.

No, r333. R332 is referring to bot/human troll networks such as those run by Christopher Bouzy, who is the internet equivalent of a poacher posing in gamekeeper's clothes (and whom I look forward to watching get exposed either by some of the twitter's-inner-workings revelations or by the lawsuits against him).

You're talking about standard media laziness and nothing to do with bots.

[quote] Because that really is quite good for a 9 year old.

Will we see a competing pic from California?

Archie did this portrait of his Grandma Diana right before we put him down for his nap.

Incredible how much William looks like that painting of her

Kate can make anything look good, but this year's Christmas walkabout outfit is a rare fail. The colour is drab and the hat is a jarring mismatch. I thought black was an odd choice for a 4 year old's winter coat. Navy would have been better.

Kate's hate had a very "Where's Carmen San Diego" vibe to it. Still, she looked good. What was up with Louis coat and the shorts? I think shorts might be a thing for young royals b/c George was always in shorts and Pete Pan collars until he was 5 or 6. Louis coast does look like it was Charlotte's hand me down. We definitely have the Andrew/Harry in the family. George feels like he has had the weight of the world of being king since he birth. He seems like such a very serious child, Wills was not as composed as his age and was called "basher Wills", which was before the Kate with a strap on rumors.

Such a different perspective. I really loved the walkabout outfit and jaunty hat Kate wore.

Black coat, you're saying? I must be blind or something, yes...

Louis' coat does look identical to Charlotte's but it's a boys' coat; it buttons on the opposite side.

Kate children are ugly... Diana' genes were completely diluted.... in other words: End of Monarchy

Louis appears have more respect for Charlotte than for Kate!

Diana would have nothing to do with this boy

R342 Do your parents know that you frequent this adult site?

Basher? Really?. I don't remember that. I remember they called him Wombat, but it was more when he was Louis's age, not George.

The only thing I disliked about Kate's outfit was the front closure of her coat, which has become too bulky for her frame. She "recycled" it (as the Mail love to say) and her waist is clearly even thinner than when she originally wore it. Everything else was perfect.

No one wears matchy matchy bullshit anymore r339. Get out of the fucking 90's. Complimentary shades is very much the way.

^^^sorry r339.

I meant tacky r338

I see Duchess D-List is chiming in at R342.

I would worry more about the mental state of Archie and Lili with those two for parents. Harry is a nut case, a more classy Kanye who hides it better.

And their mother is a lying narc.

One thing Kate’s outfit will show is that how slim her body is- something M will never have. I like her outfit, especially the hat.

Love the hat. A bit of fun for Christmas. She will have to endure lots of proper moments. Love that she can bust out!

Kate is ready to lead the cavalry charge!

The coat was the safe choice, the hat showed her to be a bit playful, but without risking to upstage Charles and Camilla.

Not Kate’s best look? Well I loved it. I thought the hat and the earrings especially were fabulous.

Kate's outfit only looked good because she has the figure, and stature to pull it of. Someone like Eugenie would look like shit wearing it. It was a safe, and boring choice.

That being said, Eugenie looks horrible most of the time. In fact her wedding was one of the very few occasions where she looked great as the wedding dress was just perfect for her. Don't remind me of the wedding reception dress though . . . or the atrocious clown-in-blue outfit she wore at William and Kate's wedding.

Nice to see Camilla interacting with the Wales' kids. Archie and Lili could have had Grandpas, Step-grandma, uncles, aunts, cousins and more. But due to their parents' seething jealousy and vindictiveness all they get are their warped parents and Doria who wasn't even interested in raising her own kid.

Has "like a father" David Foster stepped up to play Grandpa? LOL.

I barely know who David Foster is but he’s in Hollywood and married to a much younger woman. Don’t think he was best pleased that Harry described him as a father figure which points out his age.

I keep coming back to Meghan's complaint that Catherine didn't like it when Meghan tried to hug her. I think she's put that story out before, too, to try to show that Catherine is "cold" and stand-offish. Actually, because having someone you don't know touch you, let alone hug you, is invasive. Children are taught not to let strangers do this, because it's a way of conditioning someone to accept more boundary-crossing. It's weird behavior, yet Meghan doesn't get it.

Does anyone thing that Meghan herself is a warm person? She comes off about as warm as a cobra.

She does get it, R360, but she doesn't give a fuck and, as soon as possible, uses that 'coldness' on Kate's part to whine about how terrible she was treated from the very beginning.

I'm more interested in hearing if Meg hugged Wiliam when she met him. If so, how overzealous and space invading with THAT hug?? That's the real question. I picture her jumping into his arms and wrapping her flamingo legs around his waist.

[quote] I picture her jumping into his arms and wrapping her flamingo legs around his waist.

OMFG HAHAHAHA

You, dear Lady/Sir, made my day.

Or did she flash him her cooch like she did to Serena's husband?

[quote]Look at George’s painting! It’s actually really good.

I feel George's painting was done by a surrogate. I suspect we've never seen him with a brush in hand.

R342 Why, Mr Bouzy, er Scobie; er, Perry, er, Ms Winfrey, er, King . . . How kind of you to join us today and spice up the post-Christmas dinner glums with some badly needed comic relief.

We look forward to seeing you again in ten years when tall blond George is the catch of the planet, 16 year old Charlotte's image with its beautiful Windsor skin and Grannie Di's legs.is plastered on every magazine on Earth, and darkly handsome Louis is already mowing them down like a man with a cane sauntering down a lane of flowers.

You also clearly drank too much yesterday.

Have some of the hair of the dog that bit you today.

You never know: it might help!

Those earrings Kate wore that don't work were a Xmas gift from Wills, which cost 115GBP. After reading that, this feels like a very relatable moment. Dad really tries to get mom a piece of jewelry, totally misses the mark, but she's a good sport and wears them anyway to make him feel good.

R356 I'd call it safe and mildly charming, which is what she should be aiming for heading into Christmas services with the kiddies in tow. This wasn't a Bond premiere or Royal Ascot.

She's cannily and successfully cultivated an identifiable look, as the Queen and the Queen Mother did in their day.

Kate's stamp is understated, beautifully tailored, emphasizing the height and trim waist.

"Boring" misses the real point: Kate wears the clothes; they don't wear her.

Obviously, she now and then, as in the Gold Gown at the Bond premiere, can push it.

The rest of the time, she doesn't need to. Kate knows exactly what she's doing.

Her new status screams loud enough.

I think R342 post & his use of English says it all. "Kate children are ugly." Not sure what Kate children are. Is it like blonde children? hungry children? American children?

You might like to sign up for either English as a second languae. Or a remedial writing course. English has this funny thing called an apostrophe. Check it out sometime.

[quote] Nice to see Camilla interacting with the Wales' kids.

They seem very comfortable around her and Charles. I like how Louis ran up to Camilla. Even though it's been stated (at least via the DM) that William made it clear to the children that Diana is their real granny and Camilla is not, they've grown up with Camilla as a grandmother figure. Diana is just a photo and stories to them at least at this point, so it seems natural kids their age would gravitate towards her.

[quote] Kate children

[quote] Diana' genes

The genetive case said to say hello.

I don't think William is that openly hostile towards Camilla. I could easily see him as being petulant towards her when he was younger, but I think him being "Middletoned" made him pull his head out of his ass, and value family bonds more. I also don't see Kate as the type to let that fly. I also get the feeling behind the scenes she wears the pants in the relationship. I'm sure she presents it to her kids as "being lucky to have three grandmothers".

I was surprised to see how cuddle the kids were with Charles. Another great Jubilee moment was when Louis just got up and jumped on Charles lap. I've heard conflicting accounts that Charles was a remote dad, but then also was a really great dad after Diana passed. Either way, Grandparents are typically way better to their grandchildren than to their actual kids. You can see they must spend quite a bit of time with them to be so comfortable.

William is said to be grateful to Camilla since it was Camilla who used to take care of Kate within the Royal family, particularly before the wedding.

You youngfolks appear to be unaware Diana could be and frequently was a real bitch. Camilla's probably a nicer person.

R373 I found it endearing that William and Kate had Camilla’s granddaughter as a bridesmaid at their wedding. Also, in that video of the anniversary of the POW investiture, where the Ginger One and his wife are trying to horn in on the photo op, Camilla and William were seen quite conspiratorially whispering to each other, mentioning how the twosome were desperate for attention and “how awkward” their actions were.

I was at my sister and brother in law's for Christmas. They are pretentious intellectuals. I was surprised my bro-in-law who is a psychiatrist, had been following the antics of Harry and Meghan. He had seen the video clip of Meghan accepting flowers at Windsor and then chewing out the aide who tried to take them from her. "Well, she got caught on camera being an aggressive bitch".

Over 8 million people in the UK watched the King give his first Christmas Speech (that is compared to the 1.1 million who apparently watched the first episode of H&M's Netflix series.

He probably had trouble with big words in scripts.

Plus he's extremely unattractive.

I wonder if Diana was alive if Meghan would have eventually turned Harry on her too. But then again maybe if his mother was alive he wouldn't have been as susceptible to marrying Meghan.

Diana would have prevented Harry from marrying Meghan. She would have seen Meghan coming and then seen her off.

Politico has named Meghan as one of the most annoying Narcissist of the year lol.

r383 she always wanted to be the center of attention. hahahaaaa right smack dab in the middle of that photo collage.

For those interested, here is a recent doc on Camilla to celebrate her 70th. I realise it's a bit of a hagiography but I came away really absolutely loving her. Wish I could have a drink and a fag with her.

R383 FYI the plural of “narcissist” is “narcissists”.

It’s not that difficult.

R381, I doubt she ever would have happened, had Diana lived. On the face of it it's not hard to argue every one of his actions stems from the early death of his mother. If there was no Diana to save, there'd be if not no problem, a lot less of one.

R386 Get out of the house more...

Things might have been so different if they’d just managed to shoehorn Harry into a university somehow. He might have met his own nice middle class Kate. (Granted, she was middle class with a good bit of money.)

When people moan and groan about how “uni isn’t for everyone,” they forget it helps you meet people. (Assuming you don’t go to redneck Idaho slasher U.)

A thread that was about the abse the writer of the Politico article on narcissim which included Meghan Markle as an example, was deleted before iIhad a chance to read it. I went on Twitter and saw the Sussex Squad in action. Very nasty, antisemetic women who worship Markle for some reason. It's interesting to see an American reporter get the abuse British reporters have. Americans seem to tolerate racist attacks from Black peeple that the British don't. It will be interesting to see the reception Harry gets from the squad if his marriage breaks down.

/ / abuse not abse

R390, actually, you only have to look at Kanye West to see how people in the U.S. react to anti-Semitic attacks.

anti-Semitic, not Semetic

R385 You bring the Boodles I'll ring Edward

R189, even with cheating, he barely managed to pass high school. He's referred to as Dimwit and Dimbo for a reason. No way would he have ever qualified for university and it's amazing he's managed to land partners with degrees.

Of course, to Markle he is just a mark. For such a love story, would she have fallen for someone with his personality and, uh, *brains* if she stumbled across him while he was stacking shelves in the supermarket? Definitely not

That's why it was so ironic he was giving corporate speeches. He has never worked a regular job a day in his life, he is dumb as a rock and just spouts new agey bullshit.

What an entitled cunt

For r390.

I quite fancy a nice tight cunt.

This is for Harry (unless he's a Narc too, in which case, this is for Archie and Lilibet when they're older):

NARCISSISTS DO NOT, CAN NOT CHANGE. What victims of narcissistic abuse must understand is that the narcissist’s brain is hardwired differently than theirs. This is a permanent condition and we cannot magically give the narcissist the ability to: 1 strengthen the frontal lobe of the brain; 2 fix the amygdala that does not function correctly; 3 form the neuroconnections between the prefrontal cortex and their limbic systems; 4 make more oxytocin; 5 increase grey matter in the insula; 6 calm an overactive reward system.

Lol, 'global press secretary'.

Yes dahling, we're Global, global honey, yes I said GLOBAL, because we're revered the world over, and how else to spread the word of our standing in our knowing!

So the privacy thing is what they are upset about, not that people are pointing out the various lies and distortion, including a total retelling of how they met? LOL They just can't shut up, can they?

They are so out of touch that they can't even see that what people are taking issue with is that they are entitled, whining millionaires.

The forthcoming "Spare" is being publicised in the windows of my local WH Smiths and Waterstones for half price.

I'm a little confused as to who the audience for this in the UK is. Or even outside of the UK - according to Amazon, the German and Italian translations are already ready, to be published on the same day as the English edition.

The hardback is apparently no. 20 in the Amazon non-fiction charts (i.e. pre-orders) with 6 weeks on the chart. There were more pre-orders for this than any other book, but it's also probably been available for pre-order more than most other books coming out in the next few weeks, and also the most promoted.

I suspect it's the kind of book that will be left on people's shelves mostly unread.

“The Duke and Duchess have never cited privacy as the reason for stepping back,” the statement reads. “This distorted narrative was intended to trap the couple into silence. In fact, their statement announcing their decision to step back mentions nothing of privacy and reiterates their desire to continue their roles and public duties. Any suggestion otherwise speaks to a key point of this series.”

You will not question us.

Nothing happened unless we say it happened.

WHEN WE SAY “This distorted narrative was intended to trap the couple into silence" WE DO NOT SOUND PARANOID.

So, when the book bombs (which at half price before release you gotta wonder) are they over? Are they officially stuck as wannabes?

Are people buying the book as something to cash in on when he commits suicide? There can't be enough sugars to sustain the orders mentioned.

The sugars don't earn enough to buy that book and probably don't know what a library is.

She.Just.Can't.Stop.Having.The.Last.Word.

Ever.

“Roles”? “Public Duties”?

I must have missed those.

I think it was in one of the podcasts - she explained that she loved words and would often create a new definition for words! (this had to be in response to people pointing out that she was using the word "archetype" wrong)

Public duties? Were they elected to some kind of office that we don't know about?

I love muscle and am creating a new definition of fit and hot.

R407, I think they're already done. It'll be interesting to see if the book gets much true interest ( i.e., not the obligatory 'content filler' the media pushes out for clicks). People are so weary of them.

Announcing - Harry & Meghan Revisited.

A Netflix documentary streaming December 2032.

R416 except that George and Martha were actually interesting.

r406 On their abandonded Sussex royal website their manifesto states they are moving away from the UK to take away the medias public interest defence for reporting on them.That is privacy they are signalling they want. They are being insincere in this argument.

What they want is something that does not exist ANYWHERE for anyone and that is to be global superstars who never receive criticism or bad press.They need to grow up.

They did have a chance at being global superstars, but the first Oprah put paid to that. Michelle Obama, when asked to comment on their claims, gave the sensible response and good advice. Which they ignored. Reading allowed Beyonce's text and showing their reactions to William's text proved they can't be trusted in any circles, much less A list.

Is it true that in their reality series they showed that thry had recorded the part when they told Markle's niece she couldn't come to the wedding and she cried? If true, who would tape such a thing?

R419, I hadn’t heard that, but they did interview her and she had to relive that moment when they told her she wasn’t invited. Which is, come to think of it, pretty sadistic by itself.

Thanks, r420. They really will stoop to anything. Obviously Markle manipulates everyone around her so it's not just Dimbo.

Her failure to manipulate William, Catherine and the late HMTQ sounds like the real "problem".

She's furious because so many of us saw through her from day one, and were very vocal about calling her out. She was never able to live her fantasy lies.

I've finally become bored with them. They were fascinating in their personality disordered driven train-wreck of life on the world stage. All has been revealed,, they are predictable in their psychopathy. outrageous lies, disloyalty, vicious ruthlessness masked by a laughable veil of humanitarianism are all givens, to be expected with every action and utterance. The real fall might be interesting, especially now that they have no more faux stones to throw at the BRF.

Let the divorce begin already!

R423 sadly, I agree. They were endlessly entertaining during the pandemic, and I thank them for that. But they’ve killed all the fun of following them by refusing to embrace their ridiculousness and instead propping up the pathetic artifice that they are accomplished, talented and have earned all of the riches bestowed on them.

Even their continuing string of colossal failures is dull at this point.

Harry’s book will be scrubbed (post-Queen’s death) of any fun dirt and will be little more that a dreary therapy session.

They’ll be invited to the Jubilee, because it’s the smart move by the Palace. H/M will attempt to build drama around will they/won’t they attend, but no one will care. So, they’ll attend—and do their best to make hay from the icy reception they’re bound to receive. Add to their victim cred.

And then what? Do they have any meaningful work lined up? Seems like Netflix and Spotify forced them to produce a bare minimum and are now cutting them loose. No one will watched that documentary Netflix —that H/M are “presenting”—is dropping in NYE.

I suspect Meghan will write a memoir. But what will it include at this point? Until she gets divorced, she’ll not include a blow-by-blow account of the bridesmaid dress fitting or of Kate’s masterly freeze out on the forced walk about.

So, where do they go from here? Harry is a total lazy ass with zero ambition. He has one area where he shines—public appearances for the Royal family. He was good at that. Now he doesn’t have that. She’s not lazy but she has no talents that I was see—blah actress, terrible writer, zero charisma.

I suppose they can scratch out a living as speakers for hire and become celebrity endorsers. No shame in either of those—but Meghan will be furious if she’s forced to scrape the bottom of the celebrity barrel—again. Remember, she was a supporting player on a basic cable series—not a star of a marquee show. She was the celeb endorser for a small, regional, discount department store—not the face of a top brand. She created a derivative lifestyle blog that was never any threat to powerhouses like Goop.

She finally got her sweaty hand on the brass ring, but she gleefully released it. And for what? She’s says she doesn’t want to act again, but I strongly suspect that’s because no one will hire her for marquee projects. Just offers for stunt casting. A political career? Maybe she’d have a shot at some small office, but nothing on the national stage.

Harry would be content sucking off his father’s teet the rest of his life and having his life completely controlled by staff/servants. He could have had that—he did have that. Meghan never had top billing until she married. She could have leveraged that platform to get everything she always wanted in life—A-listers groveling for her friendship; endless opportunities to blather on publicly on her political views and to position herself as a leading humanitarian; a treasure trove of high end fashion and jewels there for the taking.

But that wasn’t enough for her. I’d respect her if she said we don’t want any of that stuff. It’s not worth the trade off for lack of privacy. We’ll move to the US and find work. Live our lives within reasonable means.

Instead, she wants the world to think that everything she was handed thru marriage was actually achieved through merit.

They’ve exhausted the plot. Only divorce will recapture our attention.

[quote]Until she gets divorced, she’ll not include a blow-by-blow account of the bridesmaid dress fitting or of Kate’s masterly freeze out on the forced walk about.

So true. That's both a negotiating tactic or a revenue stream in any divorce. And with the track record of interviews so far, it's evident that recollections may very vary, so either alternative could be lucrative. It seems fair to say there's not much she wouldn't assert. A settlement is a bird in the hand. Would a book sell?

[quote]She created a derivative lifestyle blog that was never any threat to powerhouses like Goop.

I still hold if she'd keep her mouth shut except about merchandise that with the right team around her she could build a lifestyle brand around the idea of home goods - sheets, towels, accessories, blah blah blah. Build a brand around supporting women entrepreneurs... there's a whole space for her there and everybody loves a redemption story... if she'd shut up being the ultimate first world problems Karen and just move on and apply herself she could still create something. But she'd need a smart team that she'd listen to, which might be a tall order.

Yes. If they (especially her) had been able to keep their mouths shut and maintain a bit of mystery and the discipline to carefully craft an acceptable public image they'd be in a much better position than they are now. Not sure about global superstars, though. Neither of them seem to have the personal wattage to carry that off. Harry could have gone the public speaking route while she developed a lifestyle brand. The "good works" angle doesn't seem to work for them because it all seems so insincere.

Well, and let's be honest, as a space it's boring as shit and crowded as hell.

Netflix, Audible and Penguin Random House (or, more specifically, their lawyers) prevented these two from divulging any truly defamatory and/or non-credible information. No legitimate outfit would allow them to do so. But Meghan won't ever stop until she shares 'her truth'. Question is, how? Self publishing, maybe? Won't matter. The worm has turned.

They have no "truly defamatory" information, r429.

R430 correct. They have hurt feelings. Hurt that Charles cut them off financially. Hurt that Kate didn’t like the bridesmaid dresses and doesn’t hug strangers. Hurt that they have to sit in the second row. Hurt because (fill in the petty grievance here).

They have nothing that will bring down the monarchy. The monarchy might not survive but it won’t be because of H/M, whose stupid whining and mal intent actually helped strengthen public support for the institution.

They blew their best shot of destroying the monarchy—with the color of our baby’s skin accusation. It fell flat and if they name the person who allegedly said it, they’d better have concrete proof or that could be a lawsuit.

They are self-aggrandizing bores with no meaningful achievements between them. They wasted one of the most privileges perches on Earth to publicly attack the only people in their lives who gave a damn about them. They could have simple said they’d like to lead a private life and followed the model of Anne’s kids or Margaret’s kids.

They have whined repeatedly: “it didn’t have to be like this.” They’re correct. It didn’t. They have no one but themselves to blame for their misery.

Anybody have a spare 33.5 million?

Oh, not claiming that they do, R430. But I definitely believe Meghan in particular would say anything to 'win' (in her mind). She supposedly accused her father of the 'worst of the worst'. Would bet money they also started the affair rumors. They're sociopaths. They have no conscious. Would bet they tried this with Netflix and Penguin and the lawyers said 'no go, unless you have ironclad proof'.

I'm merely speculating next steps, since all her reputable bridges have been burned. Since I'm speculating, I'll also wager Harry gets dropped by Better Up and Invictus Games by end of 2023 and that Travalyst is quietly dissolved next year, too.

They need to just accept being "philanthropists" hasn't worked and move on to something else.

Attending Uvalde "in her capacity as a mother" to distribute sandwiches was beyond belief, even coming after that ridiculously stupid letter to Pelosi. Wonder what she'll try next.

"The bright and airy living room is where the couple filmed many of their confessionals, but the series also showed off a few other areas of the grand abode that’s, quite literally, fit for royalty."

Only they can't afford it.

Not linking, since it's on the DM, but Jason Knauf will be awarded the LVO. Happy New Year, Meghan!

You can link to DM, just use tiny URL to get avoid getting the bitchy comment.

For example:

Tonight: In a survey by YouGov for The Times, 44 per cent of respondents said that Prince Harry should have his title removed, compared with 32 per cent thought not. (< not insubstantial.)

A total of 44 per cent said they had more sympathy for William and Catherine, compared with just 17 per cent for Harry and Meghan.

Meanwhile, 23 per cent said the six-hour epic, released this month, had made them think worse of Harry and Meghan, opposed to just 7 per cent who said it made them think better of the pair.

The majority, or 65 per cent, of those questioned by YouGov said that Harry and Meghan, who now live in the Californian coastal town of Montecito, had chosen to leave the royal family. Only 11 per cent said they had been forced out.

And 49 per cent said they did not think the royal family was a racist institution, while 26 per cent did.

Despite the other YouGov findings, 51 per cent of the British public still think Harry and Meghan should be invited to the coronation next year while 31 per cent disagreed.

That ship sailed long ago r426. R436, they pretended that was their house in the Netflix show.

Hilary Rose at The Times has yet to weigh in (which I hope she does because she writes with a scalpel) but here's the Telegraph's take on the new offering:

Live to Lead, review: a torrent of motivational gloop from Harry and Meghan

If ever there were a televisual equivalent of eating your greens, this is it. Seven half-hour episodes explore the life experiences of “inspirational” figures from across the generations: the sort of people whose words end up on fridge magnets and aphoristic Facebook memes. They include, for instance, the late US Supreme Court judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Gen Z environmental activist Greta Thunberg.

The latter might have a few choice words to offer on the Sussexes’ recently reported fondness for private jets, but we’ll never know: she and they don’t actually meet. Instead, the Duke and Duchess pop up at the start of each episode to introduce the subject, and Meghan delivers self-actualised tongue-twisters – “the legacy that New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is building extends from her belief in never losing her capacity for empathy” – while Harry quotes Nelson Mandela, by whose Foundation Live to Lead is co-produced. They then retreat, and New Zealand documentarian Geoff Blackwell gets on with the tedious business of conducting the actual interviews.

It isn’t that the Sussexes were too busy to step behind the camera and ask feminist campaigner Gloria Steinem whether she had a message for her 20-year-old self (a tedious question that Blackwell springs upon a number of the interviewees). Several of these recordings predate their deal with Netflix.

Harry and Meghan’s peripheral role shouldn’t detract from what is an occasionally revealing collection of films.

But over seven episodes, Live to Lead’s stridently upbeat tone curdles into a glutinous fake positivity. It doesn’t help that the questions often seem designed to elicit trite axioms, rather than to get under the skin of the interviewee. “What is your hope for our generation?” “Where does… courage come from?” “What does leadership mean to you?” Were the series any woollier, you could stitch on some buttons and wear it as a jacket.

As a brand extension, Live to Lead dovetails with the image the Sussexes are keen to present to the world. It’s gushy and tastefully assembled, but with the oppressive earnestness of a morale-boosting corporate video produced by a HR department that has too much time and money. Netflix, mindful of its audience’s appetite for royal scandal, must be hoping that whatever Harry and Meghan do next packs far greater oomph – and has more to do with Megxit than Mandela.

I'm surprised that Meg didn't demand that she be the subject of one of the interviews because she has done so much good with her delivery of snacks and water.

Pretentious twats

A source with knowledge of the book, which will be published on January 10, told The Sunday Times they did not see how the brothers’ relationship could ever recover.

“Generally, I think the book [will be] worse for them than the royal family is expecting,” they said. “Everything is laid bare. Charles comes out of it better than I had expected, but it’s tough on William, in particular, and even Kate gets a bit of a broadside. There are these minute details, and a description of the fight between the brothers. I personally can’t see how Harry and William will be able to reconcile after this.”

The duke will give one major television interview to broadcasters on each side of the Atlantic. In the UK, Tom Bradby, who presents the ITV News at Ten and has known Harry for more than two decades, has landed the scoop. Bradby, 55, became close to both brothers while he was a royal correspondent in the 1990s, and his documentary revealed Meghan’s mental health turmoil. The interview is understood to have been recorded in California, and while its broadcast date is not yet confirmed, it is pencilled in for next Sunday, two days before the book hits the shelves. ITV is tipped to trail the interview from Monday.

The source added that the book explores in depth Harry’s grief about his mother’s death: “The overall impression is that this is a man who has never recovered from the trauma of his mother dying so young, and then along comes Meghan and he projects on to her a parallel with Diana.”ITV will have had to negotiate over the timings with the broadcasting giant CBS, which won the US exclusive and will take precedence. Of the two high-profile contenders to win the interview — the news anchor Anderson Cooper, who works for CNN but is also a correspondent for 60 Minutes on CBS News, and Gayle King, who co-hosts CBS Mornings — Cooper, 55, triumphed and his interview is set also to be broadcast on January 8.

The book will not have a newspaper serialisation in the UK, with a source at PRH saying it felt unnecessary given “the book would sell without one”. Publishing sources say they expect him to give at least one newspaper interview; the New York Times, in which his wife wrote about her miscarriage in 2020, could be a potential home for it in the US.

Spares Charles but goes after William? What responsibility did William have to Harry? I think I'm more disgusted with Charles than Harry at this point.

R446, I finally feel sorry for William. First, Diana turned him into an adult confidant even though he was just a child. Then, after her death, everyone seemed to think that he was responsible for raising Harry, even though he’s only two years older his brother.

What a pig. Seriously. His brother has a wife, three small kids, and a major international role to prepare for. You'd think he'd be a supportive brother, he's keep his own neediness down to a minimum and let his own wife take care of his emotional stuff. No, it's all Williams's fault.

I hope they show up at the Coronation and get garbage thrown at them.

I can't possibly see how they would be invited.

Oh, they'll show up, if only to bolster their victimhood credentials if they aren't welcomed with open arms and endless apologies.

But why show up uninvited?

They will be invited.

What they d with that invite will be delicious; they can't win either way.

If they’re not invited they are sure to be hired by some trash US network as Special Royal Correspondents and show up in London anyway.

If they’re invited and accept, seat them behind a pillar and way out of camera range in the Abbey.

Why on earth would they be invited r452? Charles would look even more foolish by inviting them.

R445 I’m sure The Times has a stellar source on the tone of the book. They broke the bullying news, too.

If it does what The Times says it does, it truly will be shocking. He’s been pretty vague about his gripes up until now. Only the bit about William shouting at him was about a specific experience.

The source in The Times article seemed genuinely alarmed by the content, saying there will be no way to repair the brothers’ relationship after this.

I’ve always thought worse of Meghan than Harry. But now see that they’re equally empty, soulless creatures. How could someone do that to their brother? All because his brother took his role seriously and got mad at Harry for sabotaging the entire royal structure.

I hope the palace stays silent — no reaction.

Harry will not recover from this. Nor should he.

Why are you disgusted with Charles, r446? Harry is the selfish, disgusting one.

Harry is selfish and disgusting, R446, but I believe he is so in large part because of Charles. Charles abdicated his parental duties and hoisted them on William, a child himself. Charles (and the Queen) put the brothers on equal footing when William, in direct line to the throne, should have always been elevated due to his future role. Same when Meghan joined. There should have been no 'Fab Four'. Even today, Buck Palace published a PR piece (Camilla is the greatest thing since sliced bread, etc.) that essentially makes it clear Harry is welcome back if he pipes down - not only to the family but to the INSTITUTION because Charles feels the situation is 'changeable'. FFS. Poor William. His father is a weak willed putz.

Charles should invite them then seat them next to Andrew

Did anyone watch the Andrew musical on Thursday? I'm assuming it was really bad, but I didn't hear a thing about it.

Meghan ranked #1 and Harry #2 in Celebrities You're Sick Of In 2022

Why does he hate William so much? For being first? for being favoured? for having a sane wife who everyone loves?

I heard reliably that William was actually the one who made the remark speculating what their child would look like - a ginger fro - I wonder if that's in there. I wouldn't doubt it.

Sure Jan

I think it's because William was the good looking one. He had more time with Diana too. Harry has been a jealous brat since he was a child.

Wow, R462. You heard that reliably, huh? I’ll be darned!

Thanks for enlightening everyone.

Charles didn't abdicate anything, r457, and raised Harry as many men raise their sons who turn out fine. Charles raised William too, who has turned out more than fine, despite having a whole load of shit to deal with, much more so than Harry. If Charles, or anyone did anything wrong, it was to indulge and spoil Harry. Don't blame anyone else for Harry's own behaviour and personality. He is almost 40, more than a grown man, and is fully responsible for his own actions.

Your pop psychology, based on nothing, is ludicrous.

R461, Harry hates William so much because William is the easy target. Meghan turned Harry against his family, but they couldn't attack the Queen because she was too widely admired and also the reigning monarch, so there would have been too much backlash and they would have severed entirely the royal connection they need to pimp. Charles was briefly in the firing line, but as the Queen started ailing and Charles became head of state himself, they had to appear to soften on him too.

Now William is the target because Harry's misplaced rage stirred up by Meghan, needs to be directed somewhere. Also, as his brother, William would not have been afraid to tell Harry things that he needed to hear that others would have been too afraid to tell Harry. In Harry's psyche, William is his direct competitor so Harry sees William's admonitions to him as personal, whereas an excuse can always be found for someone of an older generation.

As Charles grows older, Harry and Meghan's stance towards William will no doubt soften, especially as they realise that their attacks on him are strengthening support for William and backlashing against them.

No need to so rude, R466. Up until this point, the posters on this thread have been generally respectful of different viewpoints (save the occasional Megstan).

When did I ever claim Harry was not responsible for his actions? Most royal authors, including ones who are sympathetic to Charles, admit that he mostly abandoned the handling of Harry to others, particularly William. That's not pop psychology. It is the general consensus. Charles' top priority was building acceptance for Camilla with the public. For that matter, he left William to his own devices, too. William, however, had the benefit of receiving interest and mentoring from others due to his future role, including his grandmother.

The latest Telegraph article makes clear that Charles only cares about Harry's memoir insomuch as it impacts himself and Camilla. Once again, he places himself above duty. I can understand him wanting to leave the door open so Harry can return to the family, but the institution? That's insanity. Charles is prolonging this situation due to his own weak nature. My sympathies lie completely with William and Catherine. They do not deserve Harry's ire.

I’m looking forward to their appearance at the Coronation, seated beside the usual safe pairs of hands, Sarah Chatto (chatting about the weather and precisely what time of day it is) and Euge, Major Johnny lurking gorgeously nearby in case of any funny business. Snowdon and Mike Tindall expressing unspoken (but entirely obvious) contempt. William’s impeccable politeness as he side-eyes them as he and Kate take their places, second only to Their Majesties. I wonder what uniform William will opt for? Whichever one he opts for, Harry will notice and feel slighted.

Megs will surely be wearing one of her finest caped, winged, shiny couture creations. It will be couture, and its cost will be equivalent to the Gross Domestic Product of Belgium, but it won’t fit.

They may arrive late, or bring their kids (a first royal appearance of Archie and Lillibucks could surely be turned into cold hard cash at Netflix). They will do something to garner attention, but they are irrelevant. They have made themselves irrelevant, and they have no more cards to play.

It's mind boggling anyone would think they will be invited. Charles would be a global laughingstock. It doesn't make any sense.

R470 Of course they’ll be invited. Only someone who doesn’t understand the monarchy at all would think they wouldn’t be.

“Laughingstock”? For inviting his own son to his coronation? It’s called “taking the high road”.

Personally I don’t think the twats will show up….but they’ll certainly be invited.

BP has stated they are invited. Now, does that mean the invitation is inviting? No. It'll probably be like the Jubilee and the funeral - second rows and cold shoulders.

Harry being bitter and jealous of William has a real Cain and Abel vibe.

It's one thing to state something publicly and another what is said, suggested, telegraphed or implied through private channels. It all comes down to the book. If it really does worsen things, it's hard to imagine them attending because they'll get booed in public and cold shoulders in private. The "hypocrites" coverage will not be brand building. The excluded victims narrative has worn thin. Remember the reporting post jubilee that said they weren't invited to all the family events and hardly attended everything to which they were invited. And that was before Netflix and the book. They know they are not universally popular with the public and they know the reaction to Netflix among the chattering classes. Who's carrying the can for them these days? Tyler Perry? Scobie? They don't have any friends left with actual power or platform. If she really does have political aspirations - and that seems to be all that's left if they are carrying on as a couple - they're going to have to start cleaning up their act. You'd have to run her in a Congressional year only - she'd eclipse a Presidential campaign just for the spectacle of it all and think about the ride she'd get from the political reporters? Who could stand that? I think they've consigned themselves to pointlessness and skepticism but these days anything is possible.

Harry was reportedly close to both his grandparents, who he turned on and shit all over at the prodding of his harridan. He got plenty of support and attention, just not the kind he wanted because he's not the heir.

R468, you are reading what you want to read in the media coverage, according to your preconceived ideas. You have absolutely no idea what Charles wants or thinks.

H&M will be invited to the Coronation and will attend. They will release a nice statement about Charles and may even do some public walkabout with William and Kate. They have to, the royal family are their only claim to fame and even they realise that they will only look like shits if they refuse the invitation.

I can't imagine there will be any walkabout with William and Kate if the book cements the divide. The Times claims even Kate gets a "broadside." I think that's the red line - attacking the wives. A walkabout in that context would be a counterproductive stunt.

Charles may want reconciliation with his son, but anybody knows that will take more than invitations to state events. I'd guess the strategy is don't give them anything to complain about, along with enough rope to hang themselves, which they always do.

If the Montecitians go, I'd guess they will have Prince and Princess Michael of Kent status. Present, at the back, unimportant.

If they do show up, I look foward to the creative ways the duo will be minimized by the planners. Might we see another appearance by the candle?

There was a joint walkabout when the Queen died, r478. I can imagine some kind of brief joint event is possible, even with the book.

It's been a long time since a monarch was crowned who had adult children but I suspect it will be a coronation ceremony like all the rest, with the King's children entering together, perhaps with the Prince and Princess of Wales first, along with the King's siblings. This is how it was at the coronation of George VI and Queen Elizabeth:

[quote]The Princess Royal was flanked by The Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret, and they were followed by the Duchesses of Gloucester and Kent and then, in pairs, Prince and Princess Arthur of Connaught; Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone and Lady Patricia Ramsay; and Princess Marie Louise and Princess Helena Victoria, each with an attendant, train-bearer, or coronet carrier, as applicable.

I recall that walkabout, R480. My argument is things have worsened since then and if the red line is crossed, William will have no interest in lending those two any credibility. William is strong, tough and if you believe the reporting much like his grandmother in his devotion to the crown and his belief in its purpose, since he accepted his fate. He's like the opposite of Harry now. There is no benefit to the monarchy in lending those two any credibility. There is only benefit in giving them less to complain about, or being seen to. So invited them, and give them a prominence that reflects their status in the family, which is as family members, nothing more.

Queen Elizabeth II's coronation. Presumably Harry will have a role to play at Charles' coronation as a "royal peer". (Maybe Andrew too! On which note, if Charles is going to make Edward the Duke of Edinburgh, I suspect it will be during the events surrounding the Coronation).

[quote]With the benediction read, Elizabeth moved to the throne and the archbishop of Canterbury and all the bishops offered to her their fealty, after which, while the choir sang, the peers of the United Kingdom—led by the royal peers: Elizabeth's husband; her uncle Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester; and her cousin Prince Edward, Duke of Kent—each proceeded, in order of precedence, to pay their personal homage and allegiance. After the royal peers, the 5 most senior peers, one for each rank, offered their fealty as representatives of the peerage of the United Kingdom: Norfolk for dukes, Huntly for marquesses, Shrewsbury for earls, Arbuthnott for viscounts and Mowbray for barons.

I think precedent has gone out the window. If you'd stuck with precedent, the Queen's granddaughters never would have stood vigil around her coffin. (Neither would her grandson. The vigil of the princes, invented for George V, was his four sons.) They seem very focused on the working members of the family so logic dictates that's who will have the most visibility during the coronation service. Demonstrate continuity first (so Kate and her children front row of royal box, then serving members, so Princess Anne and the Wessexes next.) There is no point elevating Harry and Meghan as if they're equal to people who've stuck with the job.

I'd bet the peerage goes out the window. It's so last century. The last thing the monarchy wants to do is fuel the class resentment in the UK, especially if it's in recession. This coronation won't follow a Julian Fellowes' script, though will probably his preferred aesthetic for the principals. So an enrobed (working) royal family and the clergy. But I read they're already saying regular business suits are suitable.

True r481, but inviting Harry to the coronation or doing a joint event with him is nothing to do with the state of his personal relations with his father or brother. It's all about protocol and supporting the monarch (and relations as father/son and brothers, but not the current state of those relationships).

No one has a problem with the peerage in the UK r484, just as there isn't a problem with gongs, MBEs, honours, or knighthoods. There was a problem with the peerage when it got you a hereditary place in the House of Lords and many people don't like how some prime ministers make their failed political allies peers or how Harry retains the title of duke, but as a whole there isn't antipathy to the system, more how some people (e.g. Harry) don't deserve the title.

What's really funny, however, is that Meghan's stans think she's important because she's a duchess.

Precedent is not the same thing as protocol and the meaning of symbolism, r483. Although, the Queen's granddaughters standing vigil, who are not working royals, simply underlines the importance of family in certain instances over being a working royal, and hence the importance, in ceremony at least, of Harry.

The King's coronation is for the whole of his reign, and who might be a working royal now might not be in a few years and, vice versa - individuals who are not working royals now may be in a few years. The coronation is also about the King, not working royals, but the system of the king is supported by other symbolic figures, e.g. dukes, whether they are working royals or not.

More interesting, for me, than the upcoming book are Harry's media engagements to promote it. They've apparently picked friendly outlets (CBS, Tom Bradby, the New York Times), but the needle has moved a bit after the Netflix nonsense and Harry on his own doesn't have the protection of racism, suicide, or miscarriage claims.

I can well imagine Tom B. asking some tougher questions to prove he isn't a hack. And Anderson Cooper would only care about his ratings, so will probably probe around for good sound bites. I doubt Harry--with his limited intellect, his bitterness, and his being unaccustomed to actual journalistic interviews--could handle such pressure, and he might fuck up spectacularly.

[quote]I doubt Harry--with his limited intellect, his bitterness, and his being unaccustomed to actual journalistic interviews--could handle such pressure, and he might fuck up spectacularly.

Crossing my fingers he does.

Anderson’s been through family trauma with his brother committing suicide. His father died when he was 10.

I can’t help but wonder if he was chosen as the interviewer thinking that he will be sympathic to the whiny man-baby.

If you don't think there isn't resentment of the peerage in the UK you've got zircons in your tiara.

Class resentment is to the UK what USA! USA! USA! is to the Americans. A tribal chant that sustains them in moments of irrational emotion. Toff wasn't a slur invented yesterday.

Harry and Anderson are peers.

It would be the height of hypocrisy for Harry to take any part of the coronation ceremony since he obviously does not support his father or the monarchy. Not a single person would buy it.

Yeah - I don't trust my judgment because I think Coop is sexy -- but Anderson always seems to me to look people in the eye and try to really connect and bring out some level of honest responses, instead of making it all about himself and 'ratings'. Though I'm sure he so long in the tooth in this job that he's constantly aware that that's his job, basically, to get ratings. But within those parameters, he always seems, to me, to be more authentic (say, than Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, even the MSNBC brigade)

I'm so pleased they picked Anderson Cooper over Gayle King to interview Harry. I'm feeling - well, hoping - all of this is culminating... that a lid is being put on the whole ugly saga. Who gives a flying fuck about little rich boy lost and his bitchy megalomaniac wife? They have no intelligence, no wit, no charm, not much looks (for celebrities, anyway) and, in a way, they don't even seem royal. Well, she never did, but neither does he. He's so, well, like a lower-class person - I don't know how to describe it. Where's the mystique? The 'cool' of the beautiful people? Even Caroline Kennedy seems more uppercrust. Or Paris Hilton.

What HAVE they got? They're tacky, stupid, boring, ugly people who don't even have good bodies.

Oh, and I was gonna say, Anderson Cooper seems more 'royal' to me - with his Vanderbilt heritage. This isn't the UK - we have our hoity toity people and Harry ain't one of them and to think Meghan is, bwahahahaha. She's scummy.

[quote] I can well imagine Tom B. asking some tougher questions to prove he isn't a hack

But he is a hack, Blanche! He is!

Anderson's a lightweight. Safe pair of hands. He's as interested in miring in his own psychobabble has Harry. I wonder if Gayle King is being punished for some perceived sin?

They brought up Harry and Meghan's documentary in their Good Night Moon segment and it wasn't mocking them so I feel like Anderson Cooper may give Harry a soft touch interview.

^^^ that's a segment Andy & Anderson do about Goodnight 2022 on the NYE special

Anderson has slobbered over Harry's looks in the past (blech). Pretty sure he's a fangirl.

I lost whatever little respect I had for him when he came to Uvalde and made it about himself. Some less cynical than I will claim he couldn't keep his emotions in check as he has children. Bullshit. A journalist does not insert himself in the story. He's a hack no doubt picked to lob pre-picked questions to dimwit.

Well, ok, maybe so. But I think Gayle is tainted by her association with Oprah and that ridiculous interview.

They would also want the prestige of 60 Minutes. (And when I say they obviously I mean she.) Oprah doesn't do stairs and I don't think Gayle does 60 Minutes. In fact 60 Minutes was pissed with her some years back over an Obama interview. TV news is especially petty... they'd do anything to fuck her over. I also have no doubt Anderson's been sucking up for awhile.

Gayle called their docu 'dicey', lol. I think she is still a fangirl of them but it has been made clear to her (either by Oprah, her network, or just finally reading the room) that she needs to be more objective. That 'dicey' comment probably put her on their shitlist.

No way would Harry sit down for an interview unless it was a puff piece with agreed-upon questions ahead of time.

“What HAVE they got? They're tacky, stupid, boring, ugly people who don't even have good bodies”

So true R496.

The Anderson Cooper interview is going to be an over-the-top shitfest. They will commiserate about the loss of a parent at a young age, the mental trauma they have endured in their lives, and wanting to do what's best for their kids.

This is a partial Instagram post from Anderson:

"For much of my life, New Year's Eve has been infused with sadness. Watching the ball drop as a ten year old with my brother, while my dad was in the hospital, we knew something terrible was going to happen, and it did five days later when my dad died.

I still feel the sadness, that loss on this night, but being able to spend it with my friend Andy, and with all of you who tune in, and going home afterwards to a home where my two boys are asleep in their cribs and will wake up in the morning laughing and joyful...it's become a very different night for me".

He really overshares.

As an anciengay I remember Sandra Bernhard's Without You I'm Nothing and the closer where she's doing a monologue and says something roughly along the lines of wherever the road takes you and whatever you become there will be a moment where I wish you were with me to share in my joy and see how happy I've become.

That's the essence of everything Anderson socials.

Her original face

^^^ Was she visiting Doria in jail?

Was she pregnant or just fat?

Wow, she's had a lot of work done since the photo at r511. More changes than just a couple of nosejobs and losing weight would produce.

Wonder if she was wearing fake tan/bronzer?

r499 Possibly because Gayle King let slip to an undercover Daily Mail journalist at the phoney bought awards Kerry Kennedy gave out the Harkles didnt believe the royals are racist-arguably totally undercutting their victimhood strategy or one plank of their perceived appeal.

In no way is that happening r480. You're living in fantasy land.

What won't happen, r516?

POS Harry says he wants his father and his brother back while shitting all over them in the same breath.

Is Harry just planning to spend the rest of his life giving interviews about his family?

In case anyone missed it, London's New Year fireworks included a tribute to the Queen (starting at 9:20):

The promos are coming... the promos are coming....

Here's 60 Minutes... no clips but the comments following the tweet are pretty hilarious.

ITV is geoblocking so another twitiot:

She cheated on Trevor with Sudeikis? No wonder she had a bit part in Horrible Bosses.

Aside from some juvenile complaints against his father for not taking him cycling as a child, pretty much all the issues that Harry attacks his father and brother relate to the alleged response to Meghan. This in itself is proof that that the problems only arose when Meghan came on the scene.

Just like everyone tried to tell him. She better hope he never leaves her, because if he does, William will destroy her.

Well, R519, it's not like he has any marketable skills

R518, that’s it’s? “The Palace didn’t protect us”? I wonder if he ever gets into specifics, or it’s just more of vague talk.

She must be able to suck the chrome off a trailer hitch to land some of these men like Sudeikis. Sounds like she has always been a cheater, good luck with that Haz.

“They’re lying, Anderson! They’re trying to make me and my wife look bad”

They don't need Buckingham Palace to make him or his wife look bad. Buckingham Palace didn't force them onto those private jets. Buckingham Palace didn't hold that garish baby shower cum photo op. Buckingham Palace didn't make them a nightmare to work for.

They plainly can't accept their part in this mess (which happens to be the biggest part, if anybody was being honest.)

R530, I also don’t understand why we are supposed to care about whether they “looked bad.” They are the only real threat they’ve ever had to their own position, money and security.

The You Tube comments are not in support of Harry.

He wants his father and brother back...maybe he should start by shutting the fuck up. This is the thing, you can't go around accusing people of something but then going out and doing the same thing. He's saying his family think it's better to paint H&M as "the enemy" and yet he's been spending the last three years painting the royal family as the villains. These two need a fucking reality check.

So everything is bullshit then? Because how to you want to reunite with racists who drove you to suicide?

They could have done everything they did and kept their mouths shut. He wants his father back, his brother back and his own way in all things.

"It didn't have to be this way".

Spoken like a true terrorist.

Well, he’s doubling down. This truly is the point of no return. He had an opportunity to say: we were upset about a lot of complicated family issues and by outrageous pressure from media scrutiny. We made some bad decisions—including speaking out against my family publicly—as a result. With time and perspective, we see that we could have navigated things better and share in responsibility for this mess. Hopefully, we can repair the relationship with my family but we understand there’s hurt on both sides.

But they will never accept responsibility/accountability. So why should the RF be open to a one-sided reconciliation with these babies?

I hope the Palace stays silent unless there is something legally actionable—like naming the alleged racism with no evidence to support it.

"Harry, if you back down to your family then you don't love me! You said you would protect me!!!"

R536, it does sound like a line from a stalker movie, where the victim is finally in cray's clutches, tied to a chair.

In the past few days , in conversations with three separate colleagues, Harry and his wife came up. All of them said basically the same thing, they started watching the Netflix show but turned it off within a 4 or 5 minutes (one person said 30 seconds) all for basically the same reasons, they didn't want to watch these two very unlikable, rich assholes whinge. I think most people find these two nauseating now.

Their Montecito mansion should be names The House of Whingers.

The public - both in America and the UK - are tired of their schtick. They know a pair of irresponsible, entitled whiners when they hear and see them. It's all over but the song and dance for the Sussexes.

I’m mildly curious to hear Harry’s issue with Kate, since Harry seemed genuinely fond of her.

I wonder if Charles/William's main concern is all this is making a mockery/joke of the royal family. Will this mess with Harry strengthen the anti-monarchists - or make support for them even stronger because they're being attacked from within?

It just all seems so tacky to me that I think less of the BRF (as an American). OTOH, maybe it makes them more memorable and therefore now enhanced in people's minds in general?

Oh I'm just getting so worn out with this I can't even write coherently - but here I am....

R542, well she didn't hug Meghan when she met her - and didn't act like a doormat when Meghan got nasty with the staff and likely with Kate too - certainly with poor little Charlotte.

The chickens are coming back home to roost and the fug ginger cunt is starting to hit the panic button.

He and the D-list whore are already dreading the coronation I think — should they stay or should they go? That is, if KC doesn’t rescind the invitation, which could happen if the book trashes Camilla.

I’m glad the Queen is not here to witness this played out circus, which the Harkles put in motion well before she died.

So this asshole will get a haircut and beard trim for AC but not for his grandmother's funeral? I wonder if the network insisted to clean him up a bit becuase, even so, he looks rough (rougher than usual). Even with all the makeup they troweled on his face you can still see the hollows under his eyes and unevenness. Bless their hearts they teased what remains of his hair to within an inch of its life.

*because

R543, I doubt anyone's worried about the impact on the monarchy. As noted by others, this is the theatrics of "two very unlikable, rich assholes" "irresponsible, entitled whiners", sitting in their California mansion, complaining while the rest of the world enters recession.

Who would fear them? They're a joke. In bad taste.

At least Wallis had a bit of class. Dear me.

Fuck! He really is ugly.

And whining about trivialities while most people live paycheck to paycheck - if they have a job.

Both he and Meghan are fug. They were homely children and are homely adults.

Camilla Tominey hits hard:

The mantra originated with 19th-century prime minister Benjamin Disraeli - but it was Queen Elizabeth II who deployed it to the greatest effect.

“Never complain, never explain,” may seem a rather Victorian approach to reacting to royal criticism, yet the fallout from the Duke of Sussex’s latest attack on his nearest and dearest proves why it has long served the monarchy so well.

Despite Prince Harry’s insistence, during yet another televisual airing of his dirty laundry, that the Windsor motto rings hollow, in fact the Royal family’s stoic silence in the face of his interminable oversharing speaks volumes to a public that has seemingly had it up to here with the King of Whinge.

Having already been subjected to no less than six hours of multi-million-dollar moaning on Netflix during a cost-of-living Christmas, nearly half of all Brits have decided that - rather than sympathising with the father-of-two - they would prefer to see him removed of his royal titles.

According to a YouGov poll, published on New Year’s Eve, 44 per cent would like Harry and Meghan to be stripped of their “Sussex” tag - sensing, perhaps, the shamelessness of a couple still intent on trashing the very institution they are happily cashing in on.

The survey also found that 44 per cent have more sympathy with Prince William and his wife Kate following the six-part series compared to just 17 per cent for Harry and Meghan, despite the litany of accusations that have rained down on the royals since the couple first started airing their many grievances.

Yet contrary to Harry’s unsubstantiated claims that his father and brother are constantly authorising the “leaking and briefing” of stories about him and his wife to the press - the reality is that the palace has said very little in rebuttal beyond the original “recollections may vary” statement and William’s to-the-point “we are not a racist family” response to the blabbermouths’ bombshell Oprah Winfrey interview.

And it is precisely because they have stayed so schtum that the Prince and Princess of Wales have proved more popular than their primetime detractors.

Of course there is nothing new in this. Royals who largely keep their mouths shut generally fare better than those who speak out, as the Duke (and Duchess) of York can well testify.

Prince Charles would arguably have stood a better chance of winning the “War of the Waleses” had he not decided to wage battle via Jonathan Dimbleby and a TV audience of 13 million in 1994. The heir to the throne’s decision to reveal to the documentary maker that he had been faithful to Diana, Princess of Wales, “until it became clear that the marriage had irretrievably broken”, backfired for a generation.

It also led to Diana’s equally misjudged decision to spill the beans to the BBC’s nefarious former Panorama presenter Martin Bashir a year later - a move that not only resulted in the finalising of her divorce from the future king but also cost the princess her HRH status and Metropolitan Police bodyguards. As Patrick Jephson, who resigned as Diana’s private secretary following the furore, later confirmed, “In the years since, nothing persuaded me that the Panorama interview was anything but a disaster for her.

“For those who had engineered the interview, it was win-win. But not for the Princess…she knew that Panorama was the death knell for her royal career.”

There is an even bigger irony here than Harry’s foolhardy repetition of his parents’ biggest mistakes, however, and it’s not even the fact that the prince once spoke of the importance of not “diluting the magic” of the monarchy with over-familiarity.

The self-styled Montecito Moraliser, the so-called Do Gooding Duke who once described himself as a champion “for personal development, increased awareness, and an all-round better life,” is now doing exactly what he and Meghan “ghosted” Thomas Markle for.

Interviews giving his side of a story he felt had been unfairly told; talking about how he only wants to reconcile - Harry, like his estranged father-in-law, has now resorted to communicating with his own family via 60 Minutes.

And to make matters even worse for the periphrastic prince - the only winners here are the mainstream media feasting on the corpse of brotherly royal relations - and an institution whose declination to comment has never made it seem more dignified. / end

That's good stuff. Thanks, R553 et seq.

Not only are they doing exactly what Thomas Markle has been doing (appealing to relatives via the press), but they're also known for what Harry accuses his family of doing in that clip: leaking/planting/briefing. Meghan authorized her friends to tell People how amazing she is, and they both supplied the details for Finding Freedom.

They are truly two of the people on earth most lacking in self-awareness. If they aren't, they're either mentally ill or rotten to the core.

R555 agree with all your points. One thing about Charles’ interview, though: in retrospect, he handled dealing with the affair question quite well. He accepted responsibility for cheating and said nothing negative about Diana. I believe that was the only comment he made about his marriage in the interview.

Compare that with Diana’s vicious attack on Charles in Panorama interview and H/M’s never ending whining about the entire royal family—including pot shots at the Queen in the Netflix series.

If any good will come if this, we would have seen signs of it by now. They grabbed some $$ upfront, before their stars began their rapid decline. They have nothing meaningful on the horizon, and the way they dump money into failed PR efforts, etc, must be depleted that early windfall rapidly.

Camilla never made a peep during all this years of being villianized in the press. And she got it a lot worse than Meghan. And look where Camilla is now: Queen if the fricken country and A figure of respect and genuine fondness. Same with Kate, who was attacked mercilessly before marriage.

They won. H/M have lost. But they are far from hitting bottom of the loser well. Harry has no marketable skills—suspect even high price speaking gigs and board seats drying up. Meghan will be left to scratch out a living on QVC or other low tier outlet.

I used to think that Harry will leave Meghan but I’m now certain she’ll leave him. Can’t imagine anyone of any merit marrying her—she’s not a prize like Diana. She’ll end up like Fergie . Except unlike Fergie, she will excoriate the royal family and Harry—and no one will care.

What happened to their A list friends? We haven’t heard a peep except for Serena’s bland comments on the documentary and they still have Tyler Perry in their corner.

Is Tyler Perry A List material? This is a genuine question, as I am entirely unfamiliar with his work.

I know he has mountains of cash, but isn’t his work embarrassing low-rent crap? I thought the Harkles were aiming higher on the social ladder.

It's not like the Harkles can afford to be choosey.

Just because....

I'd never actually heard of Tyler Perry before his involvement in the whole Meg/Harry saga. I'm not American, but I don't think he is famous outside the USA. I'm not sure that having him on their side is much of an achievement.

Perry seems like a fangurl.

"You've got no dignity, Muriel"

Could apply to the Harkles, Perry, Scobie and their hangers-on.

The ‘Candle in the Wind’ parody made me laugh

Tyler Perry is popular with certain types but not so much the mainstream.

Idiots and young children, r568? He doesn't seem to be well thought of.

LOL.... explain that, Klan Spotters.

Ndileka Mandela is a racist!!!!

How are the streets of South Africa this morning?

In the picture of Diana and Mandela at R570, Diana looks noticeably weathered and not like herself. It surprised me.

Some of the things the granddaughter says in that article about Harry and Meghan (and others) profiting from and using her grandfather's quotes are strange. She sounds as though she thinks there's money to be made from Mandela's legacy but she's not getting any. Otherwise, she makes a valid point; H&M should stick to talking about their own lives and leave Nelson Mandela out of it. It's almost obscene for people like them to coattail on such a man.

Meghan and Harry are seriously LOW-LIFE name dropping grifters.

Maybe they'll become televangelists!

R575, this is a weirdly perfect idea. Their liabilities (greed, dishonesty, New Age phoniness) would become assets.

They tried to become evangelists for the eco cult but it didn’t work.

Agree they should turn to religion, where hypocrisy is a feature not a bug.

Harry would love his own water park!

I want so badly for them to be televangelists!

Brother Harry and Sister Meg - their own titles! This could be big.

It's so funny... not long ago they were kind of outraging and now we're taking the piss about the next Duke and Duchess of Heritage USA.

The Guardian has gotten hold of the book…

We'll sell t-shirts sayin' I slapped Whiny Windsor!

From the Maul, re timing: In the United States, which is five to eight hours behind Britain, it will be the evening of Monday January 9 when e-book copies of the book become available on Kindle, at the same moment as the clock strikes midnight on Tuesday morning in the UK.

R582, there’s something about that episode that doesn’t sound right at all. And why wouldn’t Meghan have been angry? That doesn’t right either. Oh, right, she’s a saint. She just sighed.

And Willy and Harold? Never heard those nicknames.

R586 which could well mean that they’re what they call each other, otherwise why include them?

R585, not one word of it rings true. Harry sound like a saint and the epitome of good sense, and his brother is painted as rageful and incoherent.

I’d bet some crucial details have been embellished/omitted…

perhaps, R587. It will be east to disprove if untrue.

R588, plus Harry immediately called his therapist afterwards, yet he couldn’t figure out how to get help when Meghan said she wanted to kill herself.

[quote]Harry writes that he gave his brother a glass of water and said: “Willy, I can’t speak to you when you’re like this.”

hahaahaaaaa

“He set down the water, called me another name, then came at me. It all happened so fast. So very fast. He grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and he knocked me to the floor. I landed on the dog’s bowl, which cracked under my back, the pieces cutting into me. I lay there for a moment, dazed, then got to my feet and told him to get out.”

Harry writes that William urged him to hit back, citing fights they had as children. Harry says he refused to do so. William left, Harry says, then returned “looking regretful, and apologised”.

When William left again, his brother writes, he “turned and called back: ‘You don’t need to tell Meg about this.’

“‘You mean that you attacked me?’

“‘I didn’t attack you, Harold.’”

Harry says he didn’t immediately tell his wife – but did call his therapist.

When Meghan later noticed “scrapes and bruises” on his back, and he therefore told her of the attack, Harry says she “wasn’t that surprised, and wasn’t all that angry.

“She was terribly sad.”

I was sad. Really, I was most terribly sad! And did even one person ask me if I was ok? Go on, guess!

Right - he’s had a therapist for years, then? I’d be asking for my money back.

He needs a decent shit kicking. I wish William would have put him in the hospital.

What probably happened is William lunged at him as a threat and Harry got spooked and tripped then landed in the dog bowl.

[quote]“She was terribly sad.”

...because she wished that Harry had worn a wire like she begged him to

>> He grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace

Oh no! How could he clutch his pearls if his necklace was ripped?

>>I landed on the dog’s bowl

The bowl of the dog who mysteriously had two broken legs soon after arriving in London, not the dog who Ellen told Megsy to get (boy did she dine out on THAT story for years), but which the Harkles "left behind in Toronto" because he didn't get along with Harry

Why would William, in a heated fury as Harry would like us to believe, ask harry to hit him back? Like I get it for two brothers in a round of horseplay, but if William was as furious as Harry insinuates, why would he ask Harry to push him back?

Methinks that this is a whisper of truth with a hearty dollop of sensationalism.

As said above, something doesn't smell quite right about this rendering f the story by the poor little aggrieved prince's story.

Yeah, what dog has Harry ever had on his own?