Let's be Italian-Americans!

I'm White.

I'm the Italian American who has never known of or met a single mob-related person in my entire life. But I'm only 52, so maybe I haven't waited long enough.

I am not really white-white.

I was not allowed to marry into OP's WASP family back in the 1960s.

Not very many of us in central flyoverstan. Smaller burgs perceive our abundance of melanin with suspicion.

I’m the unshakable mother-son bond.

I am the world's loudest argument.

I’m Sicilian American we code switch on whether we consider ourselves Italian American depending on the context.

Also your mother dresses scoombady OP.

I'm the Sopranos.

I am the outdated mid-20th century stereotypes that the Eldergays will populate this thread with.

I’m Snooki.

I’m the patriarch talking about how ditsoons took over the old neighborhood

I am the patriarch's cocksucker of a son.

Everyone knows about the Japanese Americans being in Interment Camps during WWII, but are unaware that there were also camps for Italian Nationalists and Italian Americans.

I'm ginzo gravy.

I am the directness that can come across as crass.

I’m Staten Island.

I am Sunday gravy

I'm penne in vodka sauce.

I'm big hair.

I'm Catholic guilt.

Elderlez, are you Italian?

Is the size thing genetic or a stereotype?

I'm the one Italian-American in the group who is expected to be an expert on menu choices and pronunciation every time we go to an Italian restaurant. "Da fuck? The last member of my family that spoke Italian is long gone."

I am Anthony's ghetto ass mother.

I'm pizza with a bunch of weird things on it.

I’m the ultra-rightwing performativeness in order to fit in with the white people. It doesn’t work and they still think of me as not really American and not really white.

I post neo-fascist memes 24/7, but after I’ve helped the fascists take over and ruin America, I’m going into the death camps too.

I'm a McMansion in NJ.

I'm the fair-skinned, blue-eyed descendant of northern Italians that no one seems to believe exist, along with cousins by the dozens who don't and haven't for centuries looked like the Italians OP fantasises we all look like.

I'm an Italian man being served first by the womenfolk.

I'm loud, and I won't be ignored.

I’m the constant mentions of being “Italian” by people who have never set foot in Italy, cannot locate it on a map and don’t speak a word of the language.

I’m the “straight” husband, father of three on the down low craving young black cocks

I'm the grandfather, two uncles and three cousins all named "Anthony".

We're Big Marie, Little Marie, and Marie Jr.

I'm the tenuous whiteness

Does anyone need gravy?

I'm the Sopranos theme.

I'm the wooden spoon and Italian slippers (like chanclas) that serve double duty as disciplinary aids on unruly children.

I’m side-eyeing the black family moving in across the street.

I think I can speak Italian because I drop final vowels on Italian words. Little do I know that I am attempting to speak the trashy dialects of my poor ancestors and not proper Italian.

I'm the little vowel at the end of my surname that connotes my kind.

I'm louder than the black family across the street R40.

I’m the big dick.

[quote]I'm the Italian American who has never known of or met a single mob-related person in my entire life. But I'm only 52, so maybe I haven't waited long enough.

I wish I could say the same. There's a whole gaudy branch of my family that became wealthy by nefarious means when they came to this country ....

I'm the greatest gangster movie of all time.

I’m the big eye-talian cawk.

When can we be black?

I’m…..

I am generations of cultural objectification.

And, yet, this American grew up with Italian kids whose families were connected to the mob, with a grandfather taken out in a hit and a friend who settled an old debt decades later by shooting an old acquaintance twice behind the ear. The families were rather joyless. But once you were "in" you were in for life. I received a Christmas card this week from one, and I haven't talked to them for 25 years.

I’m as sexy as fuck

I’m deaf.

I’m the big ass.

I’m the absurd thanksgiving that’s the white thanksgiving plus the guinea banquet. I’m completely retarded.

[quote]I'm the grandfather, two uncles and three cousins all named "Anthony".

Actually, I'm half-Italian and have multiple Anthonys in my family -- but they're all on the Greek side, not the Italian one (not a Tony in the bunh there.)

I’m the the fucking ziti!

I’ m the sauce

No it’ s gravy!

I'm the immaculately clean, hairy asshole.

I'll heat up the lasagna.

R54 Describe the menu of this Guinea Banquet.

DL is intrigued!

I'm the smokin' hot Guido eating a slice on the dance floor.

I'm the culture and talent I brought to the US.

R14- I did not know that.

R61- I think that's a gay club and there is a story about a guy being rejected in this gay club by this gay guido. I think it was discussed here on the datalounge. Either way it's a funny video for some reason.

Only Italian Italians who were captured and were POWs. Not Americans

R31- You don't sound Italian you sound like

Alex Forrest

I'm what happens when you tell them they all have African blood. Sit back and watch the show. It's hilarious.

We exist only in the Northeast. A few of us made it farther - but we’re a rare sighting anyplace else. Hence, Olive Garden.

I'm the sfogliatelle and cannoli that are about to be devoured at Christmas.

Christmas cannolis!!

R69 and R70

Those cannolies look GOOD.

😋

[quote] We exist only in the Northeast. A few of us made it farther - but we’re a rare sighting anyplace else.

I'm the perceived superiority of Italians from the San Francisco Bay Area because of descent from Northern Italians rather than Sicilian.

I'm r41 getting laughed at in Italy.

Anyone got an ID on R47? Is that thing real?!

R74, see R44.

I'm The Feast of the Seven Fishes, The Feast of San Gennaro, The Feast of Saints Cosmas and Damian, and the feasts we used to eat every Sunday...

We're Italian Americans in New England. As much as Dl's Eldergays love to stereotype us, we've been "white people" and totally Americanized/Yankeeized for at least four generations now. We're indistinguishable from other Caucasians.

Now, the eldergays can start a "Let's be Irish-Americans!" thread with other archaic stereotypes straight out of the early 20th Century.

[quote]I’m side-eyeing the black family moving in across the street.

Um, that's pretty much everybody, regardless of ethnicity.

[quote]I'm the grandfather, two uncles and three cousins all named "Anthony".

Oh, you must be English then.

Cannolis are for buttholies.

I'm bel canto and verismo opera, which second and third generations no longer give fuck all about, despite inheriting their grandfather's marvelous collection of LPs of recordings from La Scala and artists like Tito Schipa, Tito Gobbi, Maria Callas, Renata Tebaldi . . .

We're Italian-American restaurant owners. We have kitchen staff from Mexico preparing all the delicious meals people from all around love to eat for Italian night.

We're the ones who scream about people speaking English and we act like our family came over on the Mayflower, meanwhile, our own parents and/or grandparents don't speak English.

I'm the 40'x80' patch of lawn manicured within an inch of my life. I'm clearly a proud Catholic display as I usually feature atleast one Mary statue and oftentimes an additional water feature that is also an homage to St. Francis.

I am white but not white.

I'm the torrone and struffoli at the holidays.

I'm the bomboniere (jordan almonds) party favors at every wedding.

I'm the pizzelles and taralli that nonna always has on hand.

[Quote]We're Italian Americans in New England. As much as Dl's Eldergays love to stereotype us, we've been "white people" and totally Americanized/Yankeeized for at least four generations now. We're indistinguishable from other Caucasians.

We're the 1980s Italian-Americans r77 wants to forget about, and the ones the eldergays nostalgically remember from their youth.

I’m 5’7 and muscular

I'm r88. I don't realize that he's talking about a specific niche subgroup of working-class Italian Americans in urban areas. Next, he'll be posting about how all Irish Americans are Southie thugs, as if that represents the overwhelming majority of Americans of Irish ancestry.

But like all Eldergays, he lives decades in the past, even thought the world has long since moved on.

I find mob movies really boring. The mafia holds no interest for me. I'm one of the few people who has never seen any Godfather movies.

"You can dress yourself up and lose your accents, get elected to political office, live anywhere, and get a little money. but you can't escape that little vowel on the end, you red gravy eating, criminal try-hards!"

I'm Espera Oscar de Corti!

aka "The Crying Indian",

aka "Iron Eyes Cody",

aka "The OG Rachel Dolezal".

Let's be Italian Americans? How old are you by the way because you seem very immature and ignorant.

I’m the statue of Christopher Columbus in South Philly which we just got a court to remove from the 20 foot wooden box that it’s been in for years due to marginalized indigenous people taking offense that he was being honored. A victory for the remnants of the thriving Italian American community still living in South Philly. A guaranteed vote getter for Rethuglicans.

[quote]I'm the flyover Eldergay who doesn't know that DNA mapping has shown that the North African admixture in Southern Europeans is a very small percentage. The eldergay is also unaware that the Moors were more of a ruling class who didn't mix much with the local population. Think the British in India.

I'm the person who posted this who should have been in the say you're Italian without saying you're Italian thread.

**Look at the way his head is spinning just from the implication about African blood 🤣😁

So you would rather it be kept in that wooden structure, r95?

R61, he’s an Israeli from Tel Aviv.

I'm Cher.

IMO, Southern Italians have more in common with Middle Eastern types than European types.

Northern Italian? Sì.

I’m the Italian who doesn’t like blacks and latinos cause they “don’t belong” here but my grandparents can barely speak English.

Amen r102.

R12, my grandparents said niewda titsoons.

I knew I wasn’t wrong…

I'm deeply offended by the use of the name Fredo a reference to a character in 50-year-old film and see it as tantamount to the N word

We're Garry and Penny Marshall. We're not Jewish -- honest.

We're Dorothy, Sophia, Angelo, Salvadore, Gloria (x2), and Michael. We ARE Jewish.

I’m the plastic on the couch. Just when you convince Marie to take it off, someone spills on it.

R107- The did have heavy Bronx accents.

R108- I'm Arthur Fonzarelli

I'm Jewish too.

I'm Luigi Basco. But I'm Irish.

r107, tell me about it.

I understand their kind use garlic in their dishes for intense flavoring. Doesn't that get a bit pungent?

R22, Sicilian-American on the non-adopted side. I have a cassata cake in the freezer and gave my mother a pizzelle (RIP grandma) maker for Christmas,

I assume the additions to the Thanksgiving dinner were lasagna and a nut course.

Today, young Southern Italians in the suburbs, the women like to do craft things like scrap booking. They sell candles to one another. They have make up parties where they buy skin care products and do one another's make up. They love to throw big elaborate birthday parties for their kids. The husbands frequent bowling alleys and dart games. They have a weekly card game, and they love to play video games and get themselves toys like motorcycles.

R116- HA

Those are scenes from Goodfellas

[quote] I am the directness that can come across as crass.

I am the crassness that is excused as directness.

R116- Just for you.

An Italian Catholic Hostess party.

[Quote]I'm the 40'x80' patch of lawn manicured within an inch of my life. I'm clearly a proud Catholic display as I usually feature atleast one Mary statue and oftentimes an additional water feature that is also an homage to St. Francis.

R85, usually it's Mary on the half-shell.

I am the Christmas lights that went up the day before Thanksgiving, more lights this year than any of my New Jersey neighbors and they are sync'd with the music so we put on the best show in the neighborhood.

Despite all the declarations here of outdated stereotypes, I'm Joe Giudice's recent deportation back to Italy

I can't wait for my Italian panettone. I like to eat it toasted for breakfast with butter and orange marmalade.

I'm the basement full of useless crap from the old country and the house full of mid-century modern furniture and decorations.

I'm the uncle back in Italy who has been living on a full pension for as long as you've known him, which is at least 40 years.

R107- I'm watching lately episodes of Rhoda on YouTube. The Rhoda character reminds me of Laverne DeFazio so much. They are both playing tough NYC broads.

I'm the giant dick and the amazing cooking. Both of which make a skinny wasp partner happy and lazy... very dangerous for our kind.

I'm also Anthony. I'm straight but youse queers can blow me.

^ Now THAT'S Italian!

I'm chicken fettuccine Alfredo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm the struffoli that must be a part of every Christmas.

R131, back so soon after your appearance at R87?

[quote]Christmas cannolis!!

You ARE Italian-American!

Cannolo = singular

Cannoli = plural

I'm the Mother Mary in a bathtub on the front lawn.

Kiss his big fat guinea ass, r132. This isn't a thread for your control queen ilk. Why can't you all just die?

I’m the constant, loud yelling at each other! It’s how we show love.

Lick my honey balls, r132.

I’m Nancy Pelosi.

Caught the Wasp @R134. Not the Virgin Mary.

That is St Therese of Lisieux, also known as the Little Flower, also known as Therese of the Child Jesus.

(Catholicism is excessive if it is anything. As is Italian American culture. )

I’m Joy Behar.

I’m the regular arguments about where to get the best produce (a real topic of dispute in my family).

Im the 3 hot Italian brothers who let a flaming queen suck all of their dicks over the course of a weekend. Each bigger than the last. It was GLORIOUS.

There are many Marys that grace my meticulous perfection.

That bathtub bs is NOT Italian. Portuguese at best..

I am the one who was raised by and surrounded by nurturing, loving Italian women on my mother's side.

I am also the one who avoided the cunt that shot my father out of her hole because she was a miserable cunt.

I am well-adjusted and balanced.

I can either tell you to have a nice day or destroy you as you could never imagine.

[quote] That bathtub bs is NOT Italian. Portuguese at best..

No one mentioned a bathtub.

[quote] No one mentioned a bathtub.

R134 did.

Hey ESL Italians!

In American we call those struffoli things DONUT HOLES. Say it with me "donut holes."

And leave off those cheap sprinkles, they look tacky. The honey glaze is OK but way too much work. Do a sugar glaze like we do in America.

You're here now, so do as Americans do.

I got something for you to stick in your so-called donut hole R147!

I'm Chef Boyardee!

The original celebrity chef!

i'M 64 and I'm 1/2 Italian American. Never in my whole life have I ever heard I wasn't white until I started looking at DL.

R150 I'm not Italian but Italians are white. I don't know who these weirdos are who started this POC shit.

I'm Jill Biden

Jill had her share of black cock while Joe was sniffing children.

My parents couldn’t get service in restaurants in the south in the 1970s, but my mother is darker than most Italians (American or otherwise) so it was probably not because of her actual background, but because they thought she was something else. In the 80s in Western Mass, the principal of my public school was publicexpounding on the bigotry of Australians and mentioned that I wouldn’t be considered white there.

r137 It looks like a croquembouche that collapsed.

R154 You should have told him Australians are descended from convicts and they're all sociopaths.

(That was only a joke, btw)

R154- Eric Bana an Australian actor. His parents his father was Croatian and his mother was German and he was ridiculed and ostracized growing up in suburban Australian because he did not have an English/Irish name. His last name growing up was Banadinovic.

I'm the inside of an Eyetalian's house decorated in the 1970s/1980s.

I'm Vincente and Liza Minnelli, Nancy Pelosi, Bruce Springsteen, James Darren, Geraldine Ferraro, and Paula Prentiss.

I'm the plastic coverings on all of the upholstered furniture.

I'm the fig tree in the backyard.

R162 wins the thread.

That's a good one, R162.

I'm a five foot six construction worker with huge hands and an 8 inch cock.

R160 has more personalities than Sybil!

I'm the guidon at R165.

My boots hit the ceiling we step inside your place.....

I’m the white collar version of R165 ‘s dream man.

[QUOTE] I'm Jill Biden

Oh, dear.

Never heard of fig trees in the back yard, maybe that had to do with the part of Italy they came from - or the part of the USA fig trees could grow in.

My name is Vinny or Carmine.

R154 In the 1970s??

I'm a hot Italian daddy in his late 40s/early 50s. I own a few clubs and apartment buildings I inherited from some uncles, who may or may not have been in the Family.

I have 9 kids and a wife that's done with sex, so when my gay tenants are running a little late on rent, I don't mind lettin' them slobber on my meatstick.

Stay hung and scruffy my Italian friends…

I'm the Waspy gay neighbor who looks down on my Italian-American neighbors ... especially when the trio of guido sons -- Vinny, Antny, and Joey -- come back all sweaty and pumped from the gym and hold a little impromptu pose-off outside my window. I don't know they know I watch them and beat off and think it's hilarious, but Antny is starting to wonder how my mouth would feel around his cock since my bitch of a girlfriend, Anna-Maria, refuses to do it.

I'm the '96 Fleetwood Brougham De' Elegance

11 Snooki is Chilean

Oops R11 Snooki is Chilean

Add me to the list of "fig tree in the backyard" Italians.

I'm Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta, aka Lady Gaga.

I do the whole 'Italian Catholic' schtick for five minutes, cause y'know, it worked for Madonna.

I’m the fat dicks and full bushes.

R180, "tradition". You spoiled Guinea brat.

I'm Dina Lohan, I like to tell people I was a Rockette.

I'm the priest in the family. They used to brag about me all the time. Used to.

I’m Scott Baio and I LOVE 💕

Donald Trump.

I'm the ingrained habit of leaping out of bed the second after the last spurt of my load shoots out of my fat Eyetalian cock.....so I can run to the shower and scrub the evidence away.

Ecstacy/sin, Madonna/whore.....

I’m the homemade wine from grapes grown in the backyard.

This thread is making me horny as hell!

R188 lol only a few cock references. I mean thick, hairy beasts!

gushing beer cans

R134, that is not the Virgin Mary. It is the late nineteenth century French Carmelite nun and Doctor of the Church, Saint Thérèse of Lisieux— popularly known as “The Little Flower.”

We're the Italian-Americans in the comment section of this video who enjoy, and relate to, the stereotypes being depicted about us by SNL.

Mike Fanone, a January 6th cop.

I'm a muscular, handsome Italian American closeted gay with immaculate anal hygiene

I’m the ultra Italian names given to children who are fifth generation Americans.

R189 R190 gushing beer cans is a great description! I'm amazed I was ever able to take some of them.

I grew up with Eyetalian men all around me.....I do miss them. Complexities and all. They had such a natural masculinity. "Jersey Shore" types try too hard but so many of the men I knew....just were those guys. So hot.

I'll be Jackie Stallone's original face

I'm Vito from Staten Island. No, not THAT Vito. No, not that OTHER Vito, either. I'm THIS Vito. I'm none of those other Vitos!! Jeez ...

I'm Dolly. I've been looking all over up here for Frank. Anybody know where he is?

R199 He's Far From Over

I'm nonna, living in the basement, cranking out lasagna and ziti. I freeze some too "just in case".

I'm Marie, Antny's mama. I meet all the young men my Antny brings home!

When Antny calls me and says, "Ma! I got a friend coming over, can we have a little to eat?" I wave my hands and magically, 14 trays of piping hot food (plus my homemade cheesecake) appear on the countertops of our split level ranch, decorated in 70s finery.

I buy disposable oven tray pans in bulk. I know, it ain't good for the environment. But - you think I'm gonna lend that hussy Chrissy down the street the good pans? No way.

I keep those pans in the basement, along with an entire wall of storage shelves that almost look like a grocery store, because I stock up on everything - food, all the beans of course, detergent, cleaning products. You never know who might need somethin'!

I'm this guy.

Muscle Franco aka Captain Flex (he has an Only Fans under the latter name).

OK. I found this on YOu Tube. It shows the ITalians (Southern Italians) celebrating Christmas playing the zomponia. Bag pipes made of goat skins. Soutern Italians have much more in common, culturally with Middle Eastern countries than with Europe. I stand by that statement. They have this in c ommon with southern Greeks, especially the islands, and Turkey. Northern Africa, Morocco, etc. The entire "belt " of the Mediterranean.

I'm the obsessive, encyclopedic knowledge of all celebrities with even a drop of Italian blood in them. It explains their talent and their beauty. Conversely, the prejudice against my Italian heritage is why I've never gotten ahead in the world.

None of the Italians in my family remind me at all of that Jersey Shore stereotype, or whatever. Nobody ever acted like that. I can't relate to that.

We're the lovely Giudice offspring!

I'm the multiple gold necklaces on women. You could never have too many.

[quote]I'm the person who posted this who should have been in the say you're Italian without saying you're Italian thread.

[quote]**Look at the way his head is spinning just from the implication about African blood 🤣😁

I'm actually of German stock. I just feel compelled to correct people when they show their ignorance of science and history. I highly recommend reading "The Story of the Moors in Spain: A History of the Moorish Empire in Europe; their Conquest, Book of Laws and Code of Rites" by Stanley Lane-Pool, it's a comprehensive account of the Moors in Europe, and it's excellent.

Those Giudice kids are cute, it's funny how ugly parents can sometimes have good-looking children.

The idea that Italians who came to the United States 100+ years ago spoke standard Italian and now their descendants are mangling the language is nonsense. My ancestors spoke Sicilian, not Italian. It’s a different language. My great grandmother didn’t pinch my cheeks and say Che Bella. She said Gu Bedda because that’s proper Sicilian. Italy as a a unified concept is pretty recent and was brand new when many ancestors of today’s Italian Americans came to the States.

Yes, the 70s R172.

Totally with you on that R156

Oh they’ll bring in the fig trees inside for the winter in huge pots; hope springs eternal.

[quote] Italy as a a unified concept is pretty recent and was brand new when many ancestors of today’s Italian Americans came to the States.

Yup. I am not super knowledgeable on this topic but I do understand that there's a difference between regions. Even if we're just talking about cooking, Northern Italian is different than Southern Italian and/or Sicilian.

Same with Germany. Everyone thinks Oktoberfest, lederhosen, oompah bands in any applicable situation, but that's more applicable to rural areas and in particular, to Bavaria - which is to the larger Germany what the US South is to the rest of the US.

Germany has only been unified for 30ish years in its current form, and has gone through many different iterations, so....yeah.

R211 Grazie, LesbicaPiùVecchia. I have been studying Italian for a couple of years, and while I realized there were differences among the regions, none of i miei professori went into the specifics.

Still, I grew up in New Jersey, and it's hard not to revert to Neapolitan pronunciations like gabagool and pasta fazool.

I'm using cash to pay for everything.

I'm the white suit jacket/tuxedo jacket.

I'm in every Italian man's closet.

We're the young Italian-Americans of Connecticut, determined to preserve the culture for future generations.

Thanks r211. My grandma always said bedda to all her grandkids. But mostly she said padre, figlio e spirito santo which sounded like Batoo, feedoo, speedoo, sandoo to my little ears! The favorite though was sinudi!, though I have no idea what she was saying!

[Quote]I'm Chef Boyardee!

R149 He actually existed!

Video of the picture in r218.

R202 SO true. In HS, I dated an Italian guy in NJ back in the day, and no matter what time it was when we got to his house after being out partying, even 3 am, she would get up, and rush to see if we wanted something to eat. Same deal with all of his Italian friends, mom's AND nonnas cooking feasts when we'd all enter the house, no matter what time day or night. And the food was amazing,..the eventual table we sat down at would look like a holiday meal!

R204 You don't know what you are talking about.

Bag pipes are played in one form or other throughout the world.

The music they are playing in that clip has nothing in common with Northern Africa. The song is "Tu scendi dalle stelle" (it is about the birth of Jesus). The musical scale is European. It has nothing to do with Africa. The song has been recorded by Bocelli, in English by Sergio Franchi and others. God, you're stupid.

I'm POC.

I'm the outrage when you say we're not white.

I'm R222, the Asian guy who is into Europeans.

I'm Italian-American, I think I'm European.

I'm a douchebag guido.

I'm Victoria Gotti's hair extensions.

I'm Chris Pine. The three gentlemen to my left stuffed my every orifice with their huge, thick, throbbing Italian sausages after we all left this party.

R223 I'm not outraged if you say I'm not white. I would be proud to be whatever race I happened to be. Ancestry.com has me with no connections to Africa. It's all European and I'm one of the whiter-looking people you'll ever meet. I don't think "white" means Germanic or Scandinavian, that strikes me as a Nazi concept. But you're free to think what you want.

[quote] that strikes me as a Nazi concept

Welcome to the DL, the gay message board where “camp” is a double entendre. One can be camp or be worthy of being sent to one.

I’m the question “what are we having for dinner?” asked while eating lunch.

It’s never too soon to discuss an upcoming meal!

[quote]I don't think "white" means Germanic or Scandinavian, that strikes me as a Nazi concept.

You must be new to Datalounge! 😂 Our eldergays have standards of "whiteness" that are on the level of Heinrich Himmler.

Italians earned the status of white during the 50s-60s movie star invasion.

Spaniards and Mexicans, still colored.

Eldergays at the NYT!!

R234 Omg, NYC had an Italian-American mayor in the 30s and 40s, LaGuardia. Sinatra became one of the most popular American singers in the 1940s. After him, Dean Martin, Vic Damone, Tony Bennett. Before Sinatra was Russ Columbo, in the 30s. Joe DiMaggio was the biggest baseball idol in the country. They were thought of as Italian-American, not black. My God, people. Many of them went out/married non-Italian white women. DiMaggio married Marilyn Monroe. All Kim Novak did was be friends with Sammy Davis Jr and there was a furor. See the difference?

I'm the blockheaded suburban Republican who only switched parties when the Dems sold out to the mulingiane (sp?) <---bastardized version of melanzana (Italian for "eggplant."

"Sicilian" is not "Italian."

Neither is the Veneto.

R238 You are ridiculous. Apply for a passport and visit Italy.

I'm the 100 lbs. once-hot and sexy Carmine has packed on his 5'8" frame in the 25 years since his high school football days.

Carmine's doctor has told him to either get rid of me or else it's time to get his affairs in order, but trust me, I ain't goin' nowhere!

Fuhgeddaboudit!!!

I'm Forlini's, dead this year at 79.

I'm the Eldergays who are still trapped in 1965. They know that their time is coming to and end, and they're raging against the dying of the light.

But they'll be gone in the next few years and the world will go on without them. All their bigotry will die with them.

Who cares?

No one.

How YOU doing??

You guys wounded R242!

Bad Datalongers!

I’m the hair gel

[quote]Omg, NYC had an Italian-American mayor in the 30s and 40s, LaGuardia. Sinatra became one of the most popular American singers in the 1940s. After him, Dean Martin, Vic Damone, Tony Bennett. Before Sinatra was Russ Columbo, in the 30s. Joe DiMaggio was the biggest baseball idol in the country.

And Rodolfo Valentino was the greatest romantic lead of the 1920s.

In the 1950s Perry Como was the highest paid performer in television.

In the 50s, Look magazine ran a poll asking American women to chose their ideal husband. They chose Como.

In the 20s the most desirable apartment buildings in NYC on Park Avenue, 5th, Sutton Place...were designed by Rosario Candela.

Harry Warren ( Salvatore Antonio Guaragna) was winning Oscars (3) for his music. "Lullaby of Broadway", "You'll Never Know" and "On the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe". The music for the first blockbuster film musical, 42nd Street.

"I Only Have Eyes for You", "You Must Have Been a Beautiful Baby", "Jeepers Creepers", "The Gold Diggers' Song (We're in the Money)", "That's Amore", "There Will Never Be Another You", "The More I See You", "At Last" and "Chattanooga Choo Choo"

Italians created the Bank of America.

While Al Capone was causing havoc in Chicago, Enrico Fermi was there creating the world's first nuclear reactor.

Has anyone here ever hear of Arturo Toscanini? Mario Lanza? Enrico Caruso?

Frank Capra ....one of the greatest directors from Hollywood's Golden Age.

In the 1930s Don Ameche was one of Hollywoods biggest stars. 40 films.

Fiorello H. LaGuardia mayor of NYC from 1934-1945 (9 years!), but also Vincent R. Impellitteri from 1950 to 1953.

I could go on and on.

Posters like R234 are simply stupid.

[quote]I’m the hair gel

You live rent free on my head!

I'm a huge segment of Fox's news's viewership and reliable GOP supporters, all ages.

I'm "in my village back in Italy..." because every Italian immigrant mysteriously comes from a tiny backwater village and never from a city even though the country is tiny and has existed for thousands of years.

But r249, my nonna did come from a "paese" and that's how she knew all of her "paesanos" who also came here on the "boat" for a better life. Back in her paese my nonna sold eggs from her chickens at the local store just like Caroline Ingalls on Little House on the Prairie.

R246- Was Perry Cuomo a

HOMO?

I’m a prostitution whore.

I'm Andrew. I'm half Sicilian, but I'm fair-skinned because I'm half Irish-Swedish. I went to Harvard. I dress in Brooks Bros/JCrew, etc. I'm well-groomed. But I do appreciate good food, because I am 1/2 Italian.

Y'all can kiss my pretty white butt.

Which group is more racist? Italians or Irish? I would say the Irish. Italians and and black people don't like each other because they are very similar. Doting mothers. Religion. The whole masculinity thing. Big, bold colors.

R246 is also R205.

I'm broad shoulders and no neck.

[quote]Perry Cuomo

Oh, dear.

It's C-O-M-O. Like my lake.

I'm of Irish and Italian descent.

My relatives were and are all warm and loving. Was it a bed of roses, when I came out? No, it wasn't, but they were accepting.

My Italian-American relatives are all well-educated. I have an aunt and uncles were physicians. My grandfather -- the son of Italian immigrants -- was also a physician -- a GP. Have a brother and cousins who have followed suit.

Big family celebrations at Christmas, Easter, baptisms, first communions, confirmations, and weddings.

Grew up with sauce on many a Sunday (still make it myself).

Many of the relatives tended to drop the last vowel from certain Italian words (mozzarella became mozzarell). Ha!

Less prejudice from Italian side than the Irish side.

[quote] I assume the additions to the Thanksgiving dinner were lasagna and a nut course.

I assumed lasagna as well.

ElderLez, what's involved in a "nut course"?

It’s a course between the main meal (which often ends with salad) and the dessert (or possibly after dessert) that is literally nuts - almonds, pistachios, etc.

I feel like this thread is missing a glass of sambuca (or at least a shot of sambuca in expresso and a heated debate regarding the relative merits of Parmesan Reggiano vs pecorino Romano cheeses. I, of course, was raised in a staunch PR home.

I'm the white wife beater I wear when I beat my wife or gumada.

R257- I'm angry at myself. I knew how to spell his name but my typing SUCKS nowadays.

Do Eyetalians have a stance in the drain/strain/rinsing pasta debate?

Elderlez -- both my parents were Italian-American. My mom's side would serve the salad last on holidays, and my dad would complain. My mother would dryly point out that HIS mother never had anyone over for dinner.

I had a great-aunt who was a nun.

As a small kid the fact that Aunt Mary and Sister Theresa were the same person always confused the shit out of me.

[quote]I, of course, was raised in a staunch PR home.

Now you're Puerto Rican?

The use of PR in that post refers to Pecorino Romano.

PR is how I often refer to Parmigiano-Reggiano, ElderLez.

Ah and they both have the same initials - apologies for the confusion.

I’m the nice box of Entenmann’s you bring to your cousin’s First Communion party.

[quote] I'm "in my village back in Italy..." because every Italian immigrant mysteriously comes from a tiny backwater village and never from a city even though the country is tiny and has existed for thousands of years.

And was invaded and Mussolini changed everything. Perhaps you should try opening a history book for once.

Italian-Americans know how to fuck. They are amazing lays.

I'm the Irish-American wives.

I'm the ostentatious furniture.

I'm columns.

[quote] Italian-Americans know how to fuck. They are amazing lays.

Sometimes.

If the men get TOO much babying and got waited on too much by Mama, they turn into giant lazy do-me queens and are about as exciting as a wet paper towel in bed.

If they have the right balance of machismo and alpha gloriousness, it can be heaven.

But it's a fine line, gurl. A very, very fine line.

I'm R210's cataracts and mental illness

Regardless of whether they’re good at it, Italian guys will want/expect sex often.

Italian Americans never wanted to be “white.” We refer to a lot of white people as americanos (pronounced merigans). The connotation is that the person has no style, eats shitty food, has bad hygiene and an ugly house.

Italian Americans/Catholics did not want to be discriminated against. They wanted to join the ranks of the non discriminated Irish, who were whiter than white.

Are Italians known for good hygiene, R280? If so, that's awesome. In another thread, someone said that, by law, you have to have a bidet in a bathroom (in Italy).

I'm the "No Irish need apply!" sign.

[quote]I'm "in my village back in Italy..." because every Italian immigrant mysteriously comes from a tiny backwater village and never from a city even though the country is tiny and has existed for thousands of years.

My grandfather did come from a small town, on top of a mountain - if he had come from a city he would have said that, too. Are you saying people lie about it? If so, why would they? A lot of them probably did come from small towns and villages, because that's where there was little opportunity, as well as a lot of poverty. (From 1900-1940 - when my own family members immigrated.) Most rural people had no voting rights.

I'm the gabagool!

Yes, r285, you are. You're definitely not the capicola.

I'm "Itly". I'm from Lonk Guyland.

I'm "Picture it, Sicily 1912..."

[quote]We refer to a lot of white people as americanos (pronounced merigans).

I begged my nonna and ma to buy me Wonder Bread for the school lunches they packed for me but they refused to buy that "schifoso merigan" bread. The crusty Italian bread they made my lunches with were a source of great embarrassment for me as this fare was not yet "artisan" in the Mad Men era. A seven year old me decided to trash my lunches on the way to school and then tell the teacher I "forgot" my lunch. She would give me a voucher to get a lunch in the cafeteria. I also kept "forgetting" to bring in the money to repay those cafeteria lunches. After I did this one too many times the school mailed a letter home requesting payment for the lunches. I got the wooden spoon when I got home the day that letter was received. To make matters worse, my non-English speaking or reading nonna had a neighbor read the letter for her and this created "shame" for our family since now the neighbors knew we had an unpaid bill!

[quote] I got the wooden spoon when I got home

Just be glad you didn't get the shitbra.

I’m the T-top Camaro IROC-Z.

[quote]americanos (pronounced merigans)

Tell me you're actually from South America without telling me you're from South America.

"Americans" is "americani" in Italian.

I'm a good old fashioned fist fight!

I'm the French bread that gets relabeled when sold in an Italian neighborhood.

I’m the Italian surname. I’m all that’s left after several generations of sons marrying Irish wives.

I'm everything in this video.

R297, oh, dear. Is "Gino" Ginny from Billings' masc alter-ego?

We're the tomatoes. If your meal isn't swimming in us, it ain't Italian.

I’m the garlic

I'm half-Italian and half-Greek. I don't like tomatoes or wine. Am I adopted?

I'm the fiftysomething Eyetalian top guy who exaggerates my dominant nature to get attention from younger bottoms.

I can be found on chat lines and apps everywhere, bragging about my "big guinea dick."

R301- I guess that means you don't like Italian food 🍕

I LOVE Italian food. It's probably my favorite. I just don't like RAW tomatoes.

R304- You like cooked tomatoes in a GRAVY in a lasagna or on spaghetti and meatballs

Some people here will be amazed to know Italian-Americans don't only live in the tri-state area.

My family are those San Francisco Northern Italians derided upthread. My family was in California early on (my great-grandmother was born in SF in the 1870s), predating the huge Italian immigrant tidal wave that came in the early part of the 20th century. As such there are no longer any real ties to "the old country," and no one speaks Italian (although I took a few classes in college.)

r307 many Italian-Americans in the Northeast are the same way, they're 100% Americanized and have no ties to Italy or Italian culture, no matter what our eldergays who are stuck in the Kennedy Era may think.

R308 DL is weird. I'm from New Jersey and Italians and Jews are just white Americans to me and nobody here would argue otherwise. Most Italian Americans have zero ties to Italy and most are mixed with Irish, Polish, German, Swedish and other things too. Stereotypical Italian American culture is just urban Northeast culture. Many Italian Americans hated Scorsese, Coppola, Spike Lee and The Sopranos and the glorification of the mob and pushing stereotypes. Many are middle class and work in the government or education.

Like everything else in life it come down to individuals. All of my great-grandparents came over from Italy around 1905. All my grandparents grew up in NYC in the teens and 20s; my parents in the mid 30s-50s; myself and my siblings mid 60s-80s. My dad, and his side of the family made a big point out of being "Italian," my mom and her side not really at all. I have no real cultural connection to it, but I have one sister who buys in to the identity wholesale, much more than even how we were raised.

An interesting corollary -- my dad, and his parents, and all the relatives on that side are only perfunctorily religious - typical "twice a year Catholics;" my mom, most of her family and especially my grandma were very devout (but not in an overbearing way - grandma embodied the "love everybody" side of Christianity.)

My mom made sure we all went to church every Sunday, my dad insisted on spaghetti for dinner twice a week. I'm an atheist who can't cook.

I'm in the CT/NY area and the only religious people I personally know are a few Silent Gen/Boomers who are Catholic. It's really just a handful who still go to Catholic Church regularly, and they're mostly of Irish background. No devout Catholics from the Xer/Millennial generations. I don't know anybody, of any generation, who attend any Protestant church outside of weddings. The Northeast just isn't a very religious area.

[quote]The Northeast just isn't a very religious area.

I don't agree with this, I think you're just going on personal experience.

r312 most of the Northeast is not religious, esp. compared to other regions of the US.

R308, many DLers are stuck in the Eisenhower era not the Kennedy era. The Kennedy era is when things started changing for the worse according to some.

r314 is speaking of the Suit2Fly gays.

Suit2Fly?

r316 it means the eldergays railing about people who don't dress formally to fly on an airplane.

I'd say the northeast is more Catholic than the south, and to some degree the midwest, and the Catholics who are religious (many are just culturally Catholic at this point) are generally not as in your face about it as the typical Born Again Christian. Also people tend to mind their own business about faith up here -- a new acquaintance would never ask you where you go to church as they seem to routinely do in parts of the South.

The Northeast isn't all that Catholic anymore, except for some older people.

Thank you, R317.

Italians have Moors blood. They ain’t white. It’s why their dicks are so big.

I'm all my WASP friends that think Italians only eat baked ziti, spaghetti and meatballs, minestrone, manicotti, lasagna, stuffed shells, pepperoni pizza, chicken Parmesan, calzone, and cannoli, all day, every day of the year.

R321 Actually Italians don't have Moorish blood but they do have traces of Gulf Arab, Levantine, Egyptian, Turkish and Greek blood especially in the South and Sicily because the Roman empire was a metropolitan area where different people settled and mingled. It was all consensual, not some massive genocide or rape like the Neo-Nazis love to propose. Also Moors are mainly Amazingh North Africans and mainly were in Iberia (Spain and Portugal) and they didn't mix that much as people think. The reason some Spaniards would have Moorish and Jewish ancestry is because of forced conversions to Catholicism during the Inquisition.

R322 Do WASPs really still exist? Wouldn't they inbred? I can't imagine people purposely maintaining that type of phenotype given the extra chromosomes. I imagine most are ugly as sin if so. Are they jealous Italians are considered better-looking and fashion-forward than the English and the Northeast has more politicians, CEOs, administrators and lawyers of Italian, Irish and Jewish descent who are likely wealthier than the dying "good families?"

WASPs are just "white people" now, along with all other whites. Our Eldergays think there is still an East Coast WASP culture where people swan about like they're CZ Guest and Babe Paley, and if you tell them that that archetype is long over, they refuse to believe it.

BTW, the mayor (or as it's called in CT, First Selectman) of former WASP enclave Greenwich, CT is Fred Camillo, who is Italian American. Watch the eldergays' heads explode over that little fact!

I worked two blocks from Sparks steakhouse where Gotti got his promotion.

[quote][R308] DL is weird. I'm from New Jersey and Italians and Jews are just white Americans to me and nobody here would argue otherwise

I'm from arizona and I totally agree

[quote]The Northeast isn't all that Catholic anymore, except for some older people.

They might not be church goers but plenty still identify as Catholic. There are still plenty of Christenings, Communions, weddings and funerals.

And added to that, lots of Mexican and Central American immigrants are filling the pews.

The WASP elite became lazy and entitled. Same deal with the robber baron tycoon families of Scottish, German, Irish, Jewish and Dutch descent who attempted to join the WASPs. The WASP elitism and nepotism created generation after generation of complacent children who mismanaged money and lacked ambition. No group holds power forever. Immigrants and African-Americans worked harder for everything and ended up out-earning them. WASPs/barons have little to no influence anymore especially with billionaires like Bezos, Gates, Musk and Oprah and superstar athletes and rappers who were inspirational for being self-made. STEM, trades and social media are also where people are putting focus on for building wealth. The liberal arts fields and elite university education are dying out because they failed at being accessible at building social mobility.

[quote]We're the tomatoes. If your meal isn't swimming in us, it ain't Italian.

You mean it ain't Italian-American.

Italian cuisine is not swimming in tomato.

[quote]African-Americans worked harder for everything and ended up out-earning them.

You are very wrong about that. As a demographic African-Americans are the lowest for median income.

Instead of pretending to be something you are not why don't you actually be yourself? Give it a try...

Well tomatoes do come from the Americas.

Is the word moulignon one Italian speakers in Europe use?

I’m a fried mozzarella stick.

[quote] BTW, the mayor (or as it's called in CT, First Selectman) of former WASP enclave Greenwich, CT is Fred Camillo, who is Italian American.

Ghastly. Just ghastly.

I think one of the sweet and endearing things about DL is their idea that WASP culture still exists. These are the same people who didn't realize that The Preppy Handbook was satire. The truth is, those WASPS brought in the Italians and Irish, who they used to treat like shit, to the white club to do their dirty work. The WASPS hands were clean, while the Italians and Irish were beating up the blacks, the browns, and the gays.

[quote]Is the word moulignon one Italian speakers in Europe use?

That is not an Italian word

Do you mean [italic]gindaloon[/italic]?

[quote]they have traces of Gulf Arab, Levantine, Egyptian, Turkish and Greek blood

We all do.

[quote] The WASPS hands were clean, while the Italians and Irish were beating up the blacks, the browns, and the gays.

Italians ARE the browns.

Marseille, France began as a Greek colony called Massalia and founded by Phoenicians.

R331 Looks like in your zest to toss out the marinara sauce you forgot the topic of this thread: "Let's Be Italian-Americans."

This entire thread has made me very hungry. Speaking of...

I'm the high-carb diet.

R322 "Italians only eat baked ziti, spaghetti and meatballs, minestrone, manicotti, lasagna, stuffed shells, pepperoni pizza, chicken Parmesan, calzone, and cannoli, all day, every day of the year."

Count me in!

I have never heard the word gindaloon. Moulignon is an Italian word I've heard often, sometimes as moolie. I believe it is Sicilian in origin.

I’m the cologne - citrusy and plenty of it.

NOKD!

WTF is Moulignon? Melanzana?

[quote]NOKD

New Kids on The Block?

Melanzana is an eggplant (aubergine for our British listeners.)

[quote]Moulignon is an Italian word I've heard often, sometimes as moolie. I believe it is Sicilian in origin.

No, it is NOT an Italian word. Nor is it a Sicilian word.

Moolie is a work in Spike Lee movies.

Schoolabasta is how the Sicilian word for colander sounds to me. (That's an indirect answer to the great pasta controversy which I was blessedly unaware of growing up.)

ElderlLez at R354, it’s sculapasta.

YouTube video about it.

[quote]Schoolabasta is how the Sicilian word for colander sounds to me.

The correct word in Italian is "scolapasta".

R352 R347 R335: It's melanzane (meh lan zahn eh). I wanna smack people that say "gabagool", "pasta fazool", "mannagot", "motsarel", and "proshoot." Disgraziato!

r358 "melanzane" is the plural.

[quote]It's melanzane (meh lan zahn eh). I wanna smack people that say "gabagool", "pasta fazool", "mannagot", "motsarel", and "proshoot." Disgraziato!

The Italian word is melanzana. Melanzane is plural.

r360, you're a studone.

R353, malanjan is how my Calabrian family pronounces the fruit and for black people.

That's where Spike gets Moolie.

R359 R360: You are correct.

I want to slap people who write “wanna”.

R362 jives with my upbringing in outerboro NYC "Moo-lin-yahn" means "eggplant" and black person" in Italian-American slang in and around NYC.

Eddie Murphy did a spot on take down of Italian guys talking about "moolies"

As an aside, I went to work for a public agency where there were lots of black people. I knew that black people were skin shade conscious and that there was a "paper bag" test. But I was a bit taken aback by the number of black people who called each other "purple".

Most Italian-American-speak is either a bastardization of local dialects or it is Italian words mangled and pronounced incorrectly.

[Quote]The Northeast isn't all that Catholic anymore, except for some older people.

So older people are supporting all these Catholic Churches in the Bronx? I pick one area in the Northeast at random

lol, r289.

Funniest post in awhile.

God, I need to ride a big Italian cock again!

I'm Chef Boyardee! 🍝🥫

R371, nice to see you again after your post at R149.

Here's another one for you, r372, you waste of time and space.

Moulignon is French, noob.

R365 Eddie's just mad that most Italian guys can kick his closet case little ass.

How many mentions of Chef Boyardee and no mention of Ralph Macchio, Joe Pesci, Marisa Tomei...

R376, this thread is still a yute. Give it some time to mature.

I'm a descendant of the greatest and most civilized country on earth.

R378 = French-American

OP, Just Watch "G I and II." The food, from the making of the sauce to the taking of the cannoli to the feasts; the importance of family loyalty; the wedding traditions; the silent power of the matriarch; the fraught relationship of brothers; the fondness for fruit gardens and markets---this list describes my Sicilian-heritage family 100%.

My great-grandparents came from Palermo and settled in "the Coal (anthracite) Regions" of eastern PA, the very same mines depicted in "The Molly Maguires" (my paternal side hails from County Donegal, and settled, and worked the mines, in the same area. Thus my parents met.)

So as an actual Italian-American, I would say the one Italian word that signifies "welcome to our home":

"Mangia!"

I’m a maraschino cherry.

I'm the "guinea" tee aka wifebeater aka tanktop undershirt. When I'm worn by a cocky 20-year-old muscle guido and hug his pecs and 6-pack, I'm hot. Thirty years later, when I'm stretched out and can't even cover the bottom gut of a hairy, beer-bellied loser, not so much.

R382 = R262

I'm CASH!

R383 -- Nope, just didn't see that one. Don't sic your goons on me.

R385, my only goons are contriteness, clarity/enlightenment and, if one is lucky, remorse. We don’t seek to shame but instead seek to teach.

Eddie Murphy loves getting topped by trans pussy R365.

I'm the classic Datalounge thread - Let's be a Brooklyn Pizza Parlor in 1990 NYC!

I’m the all-black outfit the grandmother wears for 5 years after her husband’s death.

I am the hands-clasped-behind-their-back walk that very elderly Italian men do.

I’m the matriarch’s social calendar filled with the wakes and funerals of every single person she’s ever met — she never misses one.

I’m the bidet in the bathroom

R389, five years? Nonna wears black for the rest of her life. You think she's a puttana like Anna-Maria down the block who went to gray and purple a mere 10 years after her Carlo had an unfortunate "accident"?

I’m the humongous Buick or Oldsmobile in the driveway.

R393 I’m dead 🤣 the one I knew only did 5 years and everyone thought THAT was extreme.

I'm those tri colored cakes

I’m the two fingers of red wine Nonna mixes with half a can of coca-cola.

I’m the Sambuca, Amaretto, and Strega served with dessert

I'm the Madonna/Whore complex.

I’m the foreskin. We were the only white guys to have them until the hippie parents stopped circumcising.

R393, you beat me to it.

Those old Nonnas live to 100-years-old by sucking the lifeblood out from their husband's life span.

Consider it the revenge of the scorned Italian woman.

I’m tiramisu. According to that Jew broad Ina Garten, I was “done, done, and overdone” in the 90s like pasta pesto was in the 80s.

I’m the vintage Singer sewing machine from the 50s.

I’m the expensive gold earrings in a baby girl’s ears.

R400

I don’t know any American-born Italian Americans who aren’t circumcised. And I’ve seen my share of Italian American dick.

R392, Nope. What, you think we all build our homes, instead of buying what's already available? And if we do build our own homes, which I did, we have ready access to soap, water, and towels, should we be interested.

R404, Nope. Not me, my Grandmother, my mother, aunts, or cousins even had or have pierced ears, never mind as a baby. Are you thinking of some other Mediterranean culture, like Spanish?

R330- The Dutch we’re considered part of the the WASP 🐝 elite from the beginning- for example

The Roosevelts

Yeah, the Dutch are kind of the top of the WASP pyramid, William the third of Orange, old money New York from when it was only recently New Amsterdam and all that.

I'm a negative DL thread filled with stereotypes about Italian-Americans.

Most of these flyoverstan DL posters have never met an Italian-Amercian in their lives, they get their 'information' from repetitious Martin Scorsese films and terrible working class Italian-American sitcoms and, of course The Sopranos, because ALL Italian-Americans seem to have Mafia connections.

These posters also don't know the difference between Italian-Americans and Italians born in Italy.

Haha, r409! I used to wonder why we weren't rich; after all, my Sicilian-American grandfather in Bayonne worked in a vegetable market!

I’m the long line of them, waiting outside the fish market in 12 degree weather to pick up our order for tonight’s feast of 7 fishes.

We’ve done fish on Christmas Eve my whole life, in grandma’s Brooklyn apartment, then my mother’s house and now at my sister’s but never called it the Feast of the 7 Fishes. As a kid we had shrimp cocktail, fried eel & smelt, baccala, squid in red sauce and linguini with clam sauce - so only six. Now it’s just shrimp, lobster tails and the linguini with clam sauce. Then ravioli or lasagna on Christmas Day.

At this point I’d prefer one or the other; rather than two big meals with all the same people less than 20 hours apart.

Squid in red sauce with liguine sounds good.

New Netherlands ancestry is common in New Jersey. However, my New England Yankee grandmother did opine that my father's Dutch surname seemed a bit "foreign" to her.

While we are all enjoying the stereotypes, in 2022 most Italian Americans are thoroughly assimilated, so that one wouldn't know that unless the person mentioned it.

R412 likely wouldn't have been able to handle one of our WASP holiday dinners, where my mother dished out four plates of meat, potatoes, and vegetables, and then washed out the pots and pans before we sat down to dinner. "If you're still hungry, there's cookies."

[quote][R412] likely wouldn't have been able to handle one of our WASP holiday dinners

Wait, r414. I thought WASPs no longer existed in America.

I the inability to pronounce Italian words correctly.

[quote]I’m the long line of them, waiting outside the fish market in 12 degree weather to pick up our order for tonight’s feast of 7 fishes.

The feast of 7 fishes. Another American thing. You won't find it in Italy.

Ragotha Capagool

Isn't that where Christ was crucified?

Golgotha!

Golgool

[quote]So older people are supporting all these Catholic Churches in the Bronx?

Latino immigrants, dear. Catholic "white people" are really dwindling in numbers.

Don't make me repeat what I think about them!

Italians in the US are fully integrated into society. A lot of these stereotypes are completely outdated. It’s true that some make a big deal regarding food and family but most are as boring as all other ethnic groups.

The big thick dick thing is still true, though.

[Quote]Latino immigrants, dear. Catholic "white people" are really dwindling in numbers.

Caucasians make up71% of the population of Princeton, dear

And r426? You think those Catholic churches are full? You think people from outside Princeton don't visit them? Sit down and STFU when you're told devout Catholicism among Northeast whites is dying off

and the demographic of Bergen County NJ where I grew up is predominately Caucasian followed by Hispanic, Asian and Black R422 and there are also many synagogues in Begen County, dear.

And, r428? You think those Catholic churches are full? You think large numbers of Xers, Millennials and Zers are devout Catholics? Hell, most Boomers aren't even devout. I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

DL is stuck in some weird time warp where Italians and Irish are devout Catholics, have eight kids and go to church every five minutes. It's totally bizarre how disconnected with the modern world they are.

R429 Well, someone is keeping those churches occupied and since Hudson and Passaic counties also have many parishes so why would they travel when they have churches in their own communities, dear?

[qutoe] That's where Spike gets Moolie.

We know why they don’t like Spike or others like him.

Occupied, but not anywhere near capacity. And churches don't have to pay taxes.

Someone here is really trying to claim that huge numbers of devout Catholics are still a thing in the modern Northeastern US? JFC.

[Quote]Occupied, but not anywhere near capacity. And churches don't have to pay taxes.

and how many of the thousands of churches have you visited recently R433?

R412, Ah, yes, the smelts! As for eels: My grandmother, mother, and I would go to a fishmonger (Bayonne) and Grandmom would point to her choice of live eels swimming in the tub there, and the fishmonger would scoop them out and give them a good WHACK! on the counter to kill them for her to cook later in a huge pot of sauce.

Yeah, r435 Catholic churches are just FILLED to capacity these days! Those young whippersnapper Zers can't get enough of the church! And Xers and Millennials too!

R437 well, if the schools and churches are underused then why not close them? Operating costs including heat, electricity, custodial maintenance, teachers . . . are not tax free.

Lots of Catholic schools have closed. Really, devout Catholics are dwindling in numbers.

any stats R439

R414, Ha! That's what's placed on the table AFTER the pan of baked ziti and salad! We never drank water, either!

R412, Always Christmas lasagna in my family. I can still see my grandmother handling the steaming hot noodles. Then we'd go to church, and in our absence she would place the gifts under the tree in the living-room of my grandparents' 3rd-floor walk-up.

Another Christmas holiday tradition was for all of us to take the bus into "the city" to see the Rockettes at RCMH. We would sit in the balcony with our baklava ("extra honey, please") from the still-extant Poseidon Greek Bakery on 9th Avenue. Maybe this isn't illustrative of "Italian-American," but it felt good to tell it.

Good lord r440 any idiot knows devout Catholics are dwindling. Devoutly religious people in general are dwindling in the US. Even Evangelicals aren't the force they once were. Just stop trolling already.

A Growing Number of Catholic Schools Are Shutting Down Forever

Faith is belief without proof rather like your assumptions R439

The United States has one of the highest Catholic populations globally, with approximately 51 million adults identifying as Catholic. About 21% of the population in the United States practices Catholicism. In the 1500s, the Spanish introduced Catholicism to the United States, beginning in the areas now known as Florida, Texas and California.

I'm all of the cannolis for later on tonight.

r444/45 it's not an assumption, it's reality. The number of devout Catholics in the US is on the decline, the same as all the Protestant denominations. Most people today who identify as Catholic are only Catholic in name only. Same as Protestants. They're not particularly religious.

Your assumptions that there are still huge numbers of devout Catholics in the US are erroneous. It's not the Kennedy era anymore.

A Growing Number of Catholic Schools Are Shutting Down Forever

About 150 Catholic schools have closed nationwide citing insurmountable financial pressures from the coronavirus pandemic.

Just like so many businesses its economics. People can't afford the tuition. In NYC there is so much unoccupied office space that they are planning to convert much of it into housing.

[quote]Look at the way his head is spinning just from the implication about African blood 🤣😁

I'm the racist who thinks his tired old joke that relies on a misunderstanding of "African blood" makes him edgy. "Ooo, I implied you're Black! I know I'm ignorant of actual geography and am just shit stirring, but look how funny it is when I'm corrected!"

R448 it's happening everywhere and, in every sector,

N.J. Catholic high school will close its doors after dramatic drop in enrollment, officials say

Citing financial hardship, officials at Mater Dei Prep High School announced Monday that the private Catholic school in Middletown will be closing its doors after this academic year.

“Mater Dei Prep is a wonderful high school and a close-knit family,” Mater Dei Prep School Board Chair Kathryn A. McLaughlin said in a statement provided to NJ Advance Media. “We have cherished the many years of excellent education led by our dedicated administration, faculty, staff and coaches, and we are grateful for the extraordinary efforts by the Mater Dei Prep School board of trustees, alumni, donors, and families who supported our mission,.

“The fact is that we simply do not have the funds to continue school operations after this academic year.”

Enrollment at the 61-year-old school has dwindled in recent years, school officials said. Since 2014, it has declined by more than half, which has resulted in a loss of revenue and created an operational deficit.

The school was originally slated to close following the 2014-15 school year,

The Catholic school that I went to is now closed. The Catholic school in my current neighborhood closed within the last few years.

[quote] Just like so many businesses its economics. People can't afford the tuition.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Catholic schools were known for high tuition (compared to other private schools).

People can't afford tuition its basic economics. These 26 stores are closing the most locations.

And people aren't devoutly Catholic anymore, esp. people who have school-aged children.

Oh, and none of those Catholic schools were closed and sold for pedo reparations?

[Quote]I could be wrong, but I don't think Catholic schools were known for high tuition

For an elementary school, the average tuition can range anywhere from $3,200 to $8,000 per pupil per year.

For a secondary education, which includes both middle school and high school, the tuition will be about $5,100 to $16,500 per year

over 8 years at the low end of $3,200 per year that's over $25K and at the secondary level low end that's $20,400 and at the most expensive that's $66K for 4 years

Catholic schools in NY aren’t just attended by Catholics.

I say Pasta Fazool, instead of Pasta Fagioli. Don't want you to think I'm well-educated.

[quote]Catholic schools in NY aren’t just attended by Catholics.

Same here, ElderLez. My atheist dad almost put me in one after he saw me reading a 4th grade textbook for my 8th grade history class (L.A. Unified). I also know 2 Jewish families who sent their kids to Catholic schools because there were no openings at the nearest Orthodox school.

In New York City, white parishioners have dwindled. Cardinal Dolan welcomes folks from South of the Border, knowing his churches will be filled. While Catholic Charities takes full credit for helping the new arrivals, their entire funding comes from the Federal government.

A Muslim friend sends his two kids to a Catholic school in Astoria. Heard negative things about neighborhood public school.

R449, large office buildings can't be converted to apartments. Many have 30,000 square feet floors with elevator banks in the center, with only windows along outside walls. You can't make people live in windowless spaces,

obviously, you aren't an architect or developer R463

Real estate guy must be working from his mother's basement

The home of 9/11 and Wall Street doubles its residences

r466 is one of our Aspies who will google everything to death.

Catholic schools in urban neighborhoods, often seen as an attractive option by low income parents and families of color, are facing an unprecedented crisis as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

The economic downturn caused by the pandemic is leading to widespread unemployment, and with the subsequent income loss many parents are concluding they can no longer afford Catholic school tuition fees. The more families pull their children out of Catholic schools, the more likely those schools will have to close.

Typically, about 80% of a Catholic school budget depends on tuition revenue, according to Mary Pat Donoghue, director of the Secretariat for Catholic Education at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

I'm the diehard at the sparsely attended Columbus Day Parade

[quote]I don’t know any American-born Italian Americans who aren’t circumcised.

Weird. I've never actually see an Italian dick that wasn't uncut.

I'm the 60-year-old who's living in the same house I grew up in with my widowed mother

I find it funny how some enthusiastic Italian Americans love to claim the Roman Empire and also see Italy as a monolith and claim all of it despite the fact Italians identify more by their region and speak their regional tongue. The Roman Empire is ancient history and most modern Italians wouldn't necessarily claim it. Most Italian Americans are from Southern Italy and Sicily too.

Educated Sicilians don't deny their Arab and North African ancestry as it's so clearly obvious on their culture, cuisine and language. And many do resemble Egyptians, Arabs or Levantines. Even the Mafia has roots in the Islamic justice system. But Italian Americans of Southern or Sicilian heritage were seen as nonwhite in The South due to resembling light skinned black people.

[Quote]. Many have 30,000 square feet floors with elevator banks in the center, with only windows along outside walls. You can't make people live in windowless spaces,

If they have windows along outside walls how does that get converted into a windowless space? Office buildings have tons of windows. And what buildings have windows along interior walls?

[quote]But Italian Americans of Southern or Sicilian heritage were seen as nonwhite in The South due to resembling light skinned black people.

Who gives a fuck what ignorant, backward Southerners thought about anything?

And as has been said, DNA testing has shown the admixture of North Africans is very small in Sicilians and Italians. Same with the French and Spanish.

[quote]But Italian Americans of Southern or Sicilian heritage were seen as nonwhite in The South due to resembling light skinned black people.

Sicilians look like black Africans? The ignorance of Americans is astounding.

In NYC there are laws governing how much ventilation an apartment must have that date back to the early 20th century (some of them, along with steam heat designed to overheat an apartment are the result of the 1918 pandemic). Pre-Law Tenements (which still exist) have windowless rooms. Since the 1920s any room considered a bedroom must have a window.

Older office buildings - from the teens - WWII tend to have multiple setbacks, windows that open, lower ceilings and reasonably small floor plates. These became much less attractive for actual office use in the 90s and many, especially in the Wall Street area had already been converted to residential use over the last 20 years.

Midtown office buildings of the late 50s — the 80s became increasingly larger - the boxy towers usually take up the full width of a block and the windows normally don’t open. These are the buildings that are currently pandemic empty — they are also losing tenants to the new 21st cent towers that are somewhat more energy efficient and just more attractive because they are newer.

These are the buildings that are very difficult to turn into apartments. They have large floor plates with central cores that contain all the elevators / plumbing and fire stairs as far from the windows as possible. They were designed to have large areas of open space. Besides the plumbing issues (which could be overcome at great expense) they do not lend themselves to be easily converted to apartments because there isn’t an economically viable way to divide up the floor plates into enough apartments to cover expenses AND have those apartments meet the current code of having windows in every room.

The windows not opening is another issue - even in new high rise apartments windows usually open a tiny bit. The centralized HVAC of these buildings is another issue - most apartments built since the 70s have individual HVAC units for each room.

Older office buildings and old loft buildings didn’t have these issues are were / are relatively easy to convert to residential. The glut current midtown office space would require a great deal of code changes, and even then the geometry of the space is still not friendly to profitable residential conversion. The Times did a detailed article about this a month or so ago - which is where I’m getting most of this info. I’ll see if I can find it.

African Americans with heavy European and Native American DNA look very Mediterranean. Look at Lena Horne, Langston Hughes, Adam Clayton Powell, Cab Calloway and etc. Those people were socially and legally black. So naturally many Mediterranean types from Sicily, Portugal and Greece or Jews with dark hair, dark eyes, bigger noses and curly hair and olive skin would confuse White Southerners as they would associate that look with light-skinned blacks. Many white passing blacks claimed Italian, Jewish, Portuguese or Greek for that reason. Keep in mind most white Americans at that time were English, Dutch, German and Scottish descent. So blue eyes and lighter hair was more common then now. All this proves is race is a social construct.

r477 that is true. Southerners were not familiar with Southern Europeans back in the day. Very, very few Southern Europeans immigrated to the Southern states back then. Someone like Lena Horne or Dorothy Dandridge could be mistaken for Greek or Italian by Southerners because they were just not familiar with what Greeks, Italians etc. actually looked like.

On the other hand, someone from New York or New Jersey would never think Lena Horne or Dorothy Dandridge looked Southern European.

Article was on Bloomberg - they analyze the residential conversion problems in a few specific buildings.

R476 so can't they put a window where a window ought to be!

The guy in the copper-colored jacket at R475 is rather cute.

[quote]Italian Americans of Southern or Sicilian heritage were seen as nonwhite in The South due to resembling light skinned black people.

Not just in the South. My grandfather and father experienced discrimination in northeastern Ohio.

My grandfather was very dark skinned with wide facial features, so he was called the N-Word and had rocks thrown at him while he sold potatoes in the streets of Cleveland.

My dad was denied a building permit for our house (in the late '70s) because the lily-white township didn't want any swarthy Dagos within township limits. Not sure who he appealed to finally get our house built there, but there was talk of a connected plumber friend who refused to work on anyone's pipes until my dad was given the permit.

R472,,I'm rather proud of all those empires that passed through Sicily! But let us not forget the very White Normans!

R478 is apparently unaware of the violent anti-Italian riots in New Orleans, or the time in 1909 when Greeks (of all people) were violently run out of Omaha.

The map at R483 reminded me of The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. There are still titles of nobility, mainly in Spain, that are of “the Two Sicilies”.

I like Detective Montalbano. I actually know a lot of Italian Americans with that high level of emotional IQ.

And also some without any.

r484 Southern Europeans were not all over the South. They were in very limited areas.

[quote] My dad was denied a building permit for our house (in the late '70s) because the lily-white township didn't want any swarthy Dagos within township limits.

This reminds me of a story a great political science professor originally from Europe told our class when discussing comparative race relations. He said he was visiting the home of a fellow professor and was impressed by his home library and with the discussion they were having. He told his fellow professor that he admired his home. The other professor said something along the lines of “I may have to move soon.” My professor asked “Why?” The other professor said “THEY are moving into the neighborhood.” “Who are they?” my professor asked. “The Italians” replied the other professor. My professor said he never spoke to him again after that.

For all of the (appropriate and fine) talk of the Arabs and the French/Normans, what really shaped Sicilian culture imho was Spanish rule.

There used to be two Sicilies. What happened to the other one?

R321- I must correct you it's not Moors it's MOOPS

R394- It's not 1975 anymore.

R489- How many years ago was this?

1949 or 2009

R409 - Brooklyn, Queens & Long Island are guido central. A lot of the "stereotypes" you're whining about have their basis in fact.

^ and don't forget Staten Island

[quote] About 150 Catholic schools have closed nationwide citing insurmountable financial pressures from the coronavirus pandemic.

That was happening way before Covid.

The 2021-2022 NCEA data reveal a 3.8 percent enrollment increase for Catholic elementary and secondary schools nationwide. Breaking this increase down by grade level reveals that Pre-K accounted for 66 percent of the boost, meaning schools received an influx of young families that could shape the future of Catholic K-12 education.

The National Catholic Educational Association said nationwide enrollment increased by 62,000 to about 1.68 million students, marking the first increase in two decades and the largest jump it has recorded in at least five decades.

Catholicism is making a comeback! All over America, millions of Millennials and Gen Zers are eschewing birth control, getting married at age 19, having litters of kids and attending Mass three times a week!

Even the Irish aren't all that devout anymore. Modern Ireland is surprisingly secular.

The ignorance here is really quite something. Have any of you actually ever been to Italy? To Sicily?

Sicilians for the most part look like this:

[quote]I find it funny how some enthusiastic Italian Americans love to claim the Roman Empire and also see Italy as a monolith and claim all of it despite the fact Italians identify more by their region and speak their regional tongue. The Roman Empire is ancient history and most modern Italians wouldn't necessarily claim it.

You understand nothing about modern-day Italy.

[quote]Sicilians for the most part look like this

The picture you linked to has guys who look like biracial American guys or Middle Eastern or Hispanic guys. What's your point?

Sicilian women

Um, they look pretty Caucasian to me r504. I would never mistake them for black or Middle Eastern.

You just can't win with Eldergays, they have their fixations on race and ethnicity from the early 20th Century and they'll never see reality.

[quote]The picture you linked to has guys who look like biracial American guys or Middle Eastern or Hispanic guys.

Oh, please. They look like white guys. Because that's what they are.

The Sicilian women in r505's pic could pass for German.

[quote]Oh, please. They look like white guys. Because that's what they are.

We will have to agree to disagree.

[Quote]Good lord r440 any idiot knows devout Catholics are dwindling. Devoutly religious people in general are dwindling in the US. Even Evangelicals aren't the force they once were. Just stop trolling already.

R500 wishing you a safe speedy unclenching and hope you won't be spending another holiday season alone trolling with so much anger and overreaction.

Most of the Sicilian family members in my grandpa and dad's generation were/are much darker than the people in those photos, but yes, there is a large variance in how Sicilians look.

r510 I hope you come join the modern world and realize that your perceptions of white ethnics haven't been a reality for several generations now.

Sicilian women

^Damn. You don't wanna mess with those girls if they want your lunch money.

Sicilian women

r510 I'm wishing that you join the modern world and stop clinging to your perceptions of white ethnics that are several generations out of date.

[quote]Damn. You don't wanna mess with those girls if they want your lunch money.

You don't fuck with female athletes, period. They'll all hand you your ass.

Sicilian guys

R518, most of those guys are not typically Sicilian looking, but thanks for going out of your way to try and find guys to fit your narrative.

[quote]most of those guys are not typically Sicilian looking, but thanks for going out of your way to try and find guys to fit your narrative.

No. You are wrong. Have you ever been to Sicily?

Sicilians

[quote]most of those guys are not typically Sicilian looking,

Uh...it's a swim team from Palermo.

I'm the bad pronunciation of Italian brands.

I have been to Sicily three times. As with many places, the people varied, but most were "swarthy" in appearance.

[quote]As with many places, the people varied

Exactly.

[quote]but most were "swarthy" in appearance.

The minority.

R520 is correct. I work with language camp students every summer and for the most part, Sicilians are indistinguishable from the other Italians. People from other places have moved into Sicilian towns and cities for decades. They aren't isolated, inbred places any more.

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[quote] I work with language camp students every summer and for the most part, Sicilians are indistinguishable from the other Italians. People from other places have moved into Sicilian towns and cities for decades. They aren't isolated, inbred places any more.

Exactly. The bozos here think it's still 1918 or something. Or as if there's a wall dividing the country.

Italy is a modern Euro country.

In the early part of the 20th century and then for decades hordes of people from the South moved to the North and settled., married and had families. Most of my friends have, say, a mother who is Milanese, a father who is Napolitano. And grandparent who is Tuscan.

[quote]There used to be two Sicilies. What happened to the other one?

It changed its name and moved to Alaska.

[quote] Most of my friends have, say, a mother who is Milanese, a father who is Napolitano. And grandparent who is Tuscan.

That’s great that modern Italy has been so accepting of mixed race families unlike in the United States.

Yes, full of the elusive white-white mixed race people.

[quote]Sicilian women

There's only three women in Sicily?

Leave it to the Italian-Americans to get worked up over a "Let's be..." thread.

[quote]That’s great that modern Italy has been so accepting of mixed race families unlike in the United States.

Only by low IQ Americans would that be thought of as "mixed race".

Because of the 1922 immigration act almost all Italian Americans descend from people who emigrated before then and so that means Italian American culture splits from evolving with Italian culture at about that time.

Ya gotta admit, the guys at R518 are fucking hot.

R406 Bitch, you ain't the Empress of Guidettes. Just because your family didn't do it doesn't mean others didn't.

[quote]I’m the expensive gold earrings in a baby girl’s ears.

R404 must be from a Gypsy family.

Some of the posters here don't seem to realize is that Italy IS a white country.

It is the US that is not.

[quote]Some of the posters here don't seem to realize is that Italy IS a "white" country.

Fixed it for you, R537.

R538 doesn't even own a passport.

Paspool

I’m the white Cadillac Escalade with Jersey plates.

I'm the profanity.

Tomatoes are native to North America. I don't know HOW they became associated with Eyetalian Queezeen.

I'm the non-turkey for Christmas dinner.

I’m the Sicilian size meat. We come on men of all heights FYI.

A lot of us have our lasagna on Christmas Eve, r544.

R546, that's what I had.

If not for the movies, I would've had no idea that most Americans eat Thanksgiving food for Christmas.

Thanksgiving was the only holiday we had Turkey. Ever other holiday was homemade ravioli and / or lasagna; as opposed to the regular old spaghetti & meatballs we had every Wednesday & Sunday.

Forget momma. I'm the jury of catty Italian sisters who decides if a brother's girlfriend meets the family standard.

R379 I love France, but the French would have remained cavemen if Caesar had not invaded.

R543 is posting from 1492.

R550, Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est!

R546, I trust not with meat sauce, because.....

I’m Holy (fucking) Communion.

[quote]I’m the white Cadillac Escalade with Jersey plates.

I'm the black Catholic-approved version that Italians actually drive.

R555, Speaking of which:

I'm the floral arrangement that never meets the approval of the eldest daughter of the deceased.

I'm the post-funeral luncheon of baked ziti and sausage and peppers at the second-cousin's restaurant. Mangia, but not so much, capisce?

I'm the cash money inside the mailed "With Deepest Sympathy" card.

I'm the sister-in-law who didn't wear black even though I always got better Christmas gifts than the daughters.

I'm the penny-ante poker game back at the house later.

I'm the Italian-Americans who actually has parents or grandparents from Italy and can speak an Italic language.

Bwahaha, r557! AS IF those elders taught their native language (aside from the bastardized "Bah fungool!) to the next generation. I'm serious. It wasn't done.

R558 In NJ, MA, CT and NY there are many people who do have parents or grandparents straight off the boat from Italy. The languages are definitely dying but at least the amazing food culture is still around and those Italian owned boutiques.

Im the GRAVY you mendone!

I'm the move Fatso from 1980. Boomers love this stereotypical movie but Gen Z would consider it a fictional reality documentary. (It was actually written by Anne Bancroft). Great DL-quotable moments we could use from it to freshen up the lingo.

Is Ony, scunjil?

Very true R558, my great-grandmother never fully learned English (as soon as she started learning it, WW2 started and people were saying nasty things about her father’s boss Mussolini so she stopped learning), but yet my Grandmother and her sisters aren’t fluent Sicilian speakers despite having known lots of words.

Not arguing any of your point, r559. Only r557's.

[quote] AS IF those elders taught their native language (aside from the bastardized "Bah fungool!) to the next generation. I'm serious. It wasn't done.

Every Italian-American Millennial I knew growing up was fluent in Italian. They were also always the kids who aced Spanish in high school.

[quote] and people were saying nasty things about her father’s boss Mussolini

What?

Sicily was very much Mussolini’s power base since he was vociferously anti-mafia.

Lots of Sicilian Americans have family histories that include not just mafia members, but relatives killed by the mafia and also fascists amongst the relatives who stayed in Italy. It’s complicated.

I’m the trains that ran on time in an alternate thread.

R565, You know of Americans born between 1981 and 1996 who knew Italian? I was born in 1949, third-generation Sicilian-American, my maternal great-grandparents' being from Palermo. Neither my mother and her siblings nor I and my cousins were taught any Italian whatsoever. Sure, we said "rigott" and "mozzarell" and the like vernacular, but that was it.

So where do or did you reside, that these even younger Americans were somehow taught Italian? By whom? Not Baby Boomers, I can assure you.

Plus, I don't know Italian, but I aced H.S. Spanish, too. I don't care what Wiki or Google says; these languages are not that similar in usage. The common word "daughter," e.g., is "hija" in Spanish and "figlia" in Italian. "Do you have" in Spanish is "Tienes"/"Tiene Usted"; in Italian, "Avete." And so on.

A lot of younger parents and teens want that cultural connection again and in the Northeast there's still plenty of people who have immigrant parents who can teach them or their kids. I know Puerto Ricans who are making an effort to keep Spanish spoken because many of them or their parents were discouraged from speaking it or learning it. There's a big rise in bilingualism. People realized the important of knowing your heritage and it's effects on self-esteem. A similar thing is occuring in Louisiana where Creoles and Cajuns are reviving their French dialects that were suppressed under Anglophone rule.

[quote]You know of Americans born between 1981 and 1996 who knew Italian?

Yes. A number of them took Italian 101 and 102 for an easy A. I was there, and I was one of only a few students without an Italian last name.

[quote]Sure, we said "rigott" and "mozzarell" and the like vernacular, but that was it.

I was born in the 80s and the Italians I knew all spoke Italian as well as English.

But I don't think they had the odd way of speaking where you dropped the final vowel. Seems like non-Italian speakers dropping vowels when the actual Italian speaker is just saying them more subtly--but they're still there.

[quote]I was born in the 80s and the Italians I knew all spoke Italian as well as English.

Where the hell did you grow up? I'm in the Northeast, surrounded by Italian Americans, and none of them speak Italian. Even the older people. Their families immigrated to the US 120 years ago, ffs.

It would be as ridiculous as thinking Americans of German descent all speak German.

I’m 60, fat, big bellies, hairy, and wear a thong on the beach.

I’m George Santos.....know, wait, Im Jew-swish. Never mind

[quote]Where the hell did you grow up?

Canada

Well Canada isn't the US r576.

Canada is in America though.

"America" means the US. Let's not even get started on that shit.

"America" means both North and South America to Italians. Many people I met in my ancestral village in Calabria told me they had relatives in America. I asked in which cities and I got answers like, Toronto, Thunder Bay, Buenos Aires, New York.

On this thread, Italian-American means the US. Nobody thinks of fucking Canada when they hear Italian-American.

Correct, R580.

[quote]"America" means both North and South America to Italians.

That is total bullshit. "America" means the US throughout the world. Maybe your relatives were a bit daft.

This old complaint - and yes, many other North and South Americans complain about this.

Here's the facts; Our full name is United States of America. It is not the United States. Once you have America in your name, then go ahead and call yourself Americans.

And, as a reminder, we were the first independent country in North or South America to leave their colonial rule.

People who say ' but we're Americans too' - No, you are North American or South American. It's petty bullshit and just one more thing to criticize the USA over.

Americans is just an easier way of saying Americans of the United States.

America is North and South America.

And the Italians of Canada know that you pronounce your damn vowels.

I'm the Italian-Americans from Louisiana, Texas and Mississippi that people forget exist.

I’m shoulder hair

r588 none on your head?

Let's not forget where the name "America" came from. And who "discovered it."

Ronzoni is discontinuing pastina……

I'm too much testosterone and alpha male energy.

Wow, 600 posts!

r591 Ronzoni was the only brand of pastina my extremely picky little brother would eat, Elderlez. And that was back in the 1950s. I liked it, too, with just butter and parm. I bought some other brand a couple of years ago. It just wasn't right. Too big. Not "ina" enough.

R587, It's not you we (try to) forget; it's your states.

Last tag!

^^Not quite, cunt.