Lesbians getting mad at gay male shows, after Netflix cancels another lesbian one

OP at what point will you grow up?

I don't know what world this bitch lives in, but every single show I ever watch shows lesbian characters trading sloppy kisses and acting all sexual with each other, while the gay male characters are essentially neutered and barely allowed to give each other a peck on the cheek.

So you found a single lesbian arguing on twitter with a few other people about it. Got it.

Netflix base what they keep making and what they cancel solely on viewership.

If enough people are not watching certain types of 'content' it is simply a business decision.

OP lives on Twitter and like a little tattletale grade schooler comes running to DL every time he sees something vaguely interesting over there.

I'm not bitching. I barely watch anything anymore. It's all bad.

Netflix is a big corporation and it can take care of itself, OP.

Someone in comments provided a huge list of shows with lesbian leads that got cancelled after a few seasons, so it's not like Netflix doesn't have lesbian-led shows. The person you linked to is assuming the gay shows will get renewed for years and years but that's probably not true. Most Netflix shows don't get renewed that long, they'll get cancelled after a few seasons, too.

[quote]Netflix is a big corporation and it can take care of itself, OP.

I'm not arguing with that, R7. I'm just watching the seething lesbians' drama.

My 12 year old niece watches all the male gay shows and ships a bunch of couples. I have never once heard her do the same for lesbian couples.

My take is, the majority of people watching shows with gay content are women. Straight women. Who like to see cute guys, no matter who they are kissing. Female couples just dont have the same appeal. So lesbians are screwed. Even if straight guys watched more, which they could since they love watching lesbians, alot of those shows are not the type that usually appeal to them nor are the "type" of lesbians that do (non male gaze type of portrayals).

Too exhausting.

[quote]Lesbians getting mad

Quelle surprise.

R9 I guess you're right. They're accusing straight girls of "fetishing" gay guys.

R12 Honestly I think the whole teenage girl obsession with gay pairings are a whole other messy subject. Most of the obsession comes from pre teen/teen/young adult women who are maybe a little scared of the type of sex that would involve them and force them to deal with their own sexuality, so they focus on the next best thing. Cute guy on cute guy that won't demand anything on them. Not saying this is the only reason women would be into male gay couples but I do think it's a decent chunk of it.

My niece the other day "I like to see boys kiss more than a boy and a girl kiss, it's sweeter". She is in the throes of it to say the least.

It's interesting in Japan, most fans of yuri (female on female romance) are girls and women. But the way they are drawn and written is done similar to yaoi in the women are drawn very fashionable and elegant, so female audiences idolize their looks. Think of Uranus and Neptune from Sailor Moon.

It's the same problem that occurs with gay bars vs. lesbian bars.

Gay men go out, drink like fish, and spend money in gay bars. Lesbians do so with less gusto.

Same with TV shows. Gay men watch, obsess, and discuss gay shows while lesbians do not obsess over tv shows as much.

The self righteous and scolding tone of that susie gal linked at OP is a perfect example why people find lesbians so hard to warm to

People watch shows they enjoy. They don’t watch shows out of a sense of obligation or fairness.

I see lesbians viciously face-slapping a LOT of gay men this season

If they did a White Lotus spinoff about Valentina navigating life as a semi-closeted Sicilian lesbian running a five star hotel, gay men would probably be the core fan base.

Netflix is insane. They truly announced last night that they cancelled that nun show and then announced the young royals S3. They are truly feeding that idea.

Dyke saw the 'Ain't No Mo' thread and thought, "there's something I can get in on"

Lesbianic Subaru ads will never be cancelled.

Lesbian stuff is only popular on twitter/tumblr, girls that love and ship male characters watch these gay shows but not the Lesbian ones because they find two women kissing gross. Which is what str8 men find two men kissing gross.

They lost me at "lesbian."

Well sometimes lesbians get the better end of the stick. This is especially the case in video games, where lesbian and bisexual female characters are far more widely accepted than gay male and bisexual male characters. Video games, unlike television or movies, are dominated by male consumers, who drive the greater demand there for wlw (in the way that it's primarily women who drive demand for mlm in other areas of media). Straight men don't mind playing as women and they especially don't mind playing as women when they can romance other women.

The current all-time record for most Game of the Year awards is held by a game with a (very much non-male-gazey) lesbian main character. Said game also sold more than 10 million copies on a single platform in two years. I'd humbly submit that it'll be a long, long time before a gay male-led game receives anywhere that level of success, or is even developed by a AAA studio.

YR is made by Netflix Nordic. It’s a non English show. It has an entirely different set of criteria for renewal & a entirely separate budget. It is not expected to do as well as English speaking shows because subtitled shows & movies will never be as popular as English spoken shows. Just a fact. Warrior Nun fell under US Netflix, which is probably unfortunate for it!

I’m a lesbian. I confess I prefer gay dramas about two men more than two woman.. I’ll happily watch anyone kissing but I generally find female lead dramas a bit crap! It’s often supernatural stories which I don’t care for..

Yeah, R26, it seems like lesbian or queer female stuff is always “imagine like a gen z version of Xena Warrior Princess but in space and with vampires!”

I think it’s less that younger straight women (who are probably the need-to-get demo when it comes to non-one-off LGBT stuff) are super turned off by lesbians, it’s that they just don’t have a big appetite for nerd shit.

It’s funny that they compare the shows. HS had mostly un known actors that were in high school and the location is just a school with only 3 leaves as special effects meanwhile first kill or warrior nun are full of special effects, locations with working actors. Of course HS is the one with a double renewal, it is way (way !!) cheaper, brings them crazy online engagement and a % from the books that have the netflix sticker.

Lesbos as a concept are fetishised. How different the reality is from the fantasy for frat boys or straight men of all ages..

I would watch a 14-part doc series "Secrets of Michfest." It could be a ratings bonanza.

^ but I rather suspect MichFest was only funny through the witty/bitchy *retelling* by the DL Gay boys

The unmitigated MichFest was probably a dreary event heavy with self righteousness and little humor

I can assure you that episode 6 , "Man on the Land!", is anything but dreary.

Are lesbians the original SJWs? Always so quick to be offended and condemn any form of humour.

A Wet Hot American Summer-style scripted comedy about MichFest (according to datalounge) would be a hoot. Kate McKinnon was born to play Denise of Rainbow Express fame.

Yes! Lesbian vampires in space is exactly what you always get. It’s never just two woman falling in love at work or something!

And it's also always straight women "turning" bisexual immediately.

It makes it look like lesbians are the groomers, not gay men.

There are 10 lez movies/shows to 1 gay movie/show on NF every week. I've had sufficient of seeing anorexic, unwashed lezzes with weird hair, making out in those movies/show. I truly feel sufficient.

All you’d see in the lezbo White Lotus is crabwalking and spilled Dr. Pepper.

The entire thing was trending on Twitter with lesbians going nuts over the cancellation, pulling up data and making it out to be a hate crime.

I love that they scream lesbians and sapphics.

Heartstopper is for pedos.

They need to start asking for lesbian-centered shows that aren’t sci-fi and are more grounded. Shows like Heartstopper and Young Royals have much, much smaller budgets so they’re easier to renew. The shows that have been canceled recently (this and First Kill) had low completion rates. Not worth sinking more money into a show with pricey sets and effects if people aren’t even bothering to finish the seasons.

“Susie’s” decrying the paucity of “female-centric shows that feature leading sapphic couples” before they “have a chance to prosper” is an anthem for these apocalyptic times.

I would love to see a show about everyday small town/suburban lesbians doing everyday lesbian things and coping with their lives. How they find people to date when there's a small pool of people. How they deal with gatherings of women that are mainly straight women.

Something that really shows what they have to go through, not just as women, but as lesbians, as they move through the world. Dealing with the general misogyny in our culture, to say nothing of the homophobia.

Gay men have the advantage of being a) men and b) usually having a bit more money because men are usually paid more than women for the same work.

Lesbians don’t have a small pool to choose from. Every woman is ready to turn dyke just by being in the same room with another woman.

Especially if the other woman in the room is Rosie on bended knee with an engagement ring...

Dykes gonna dyke.

It's not like all the shows with gay leads are blockbuster hits, so the idea that tons of straight girls are watching them doesn't seem to add up (Didn't see too many straight women standing in line to see Bros)

The real reason is that there are more gay male writers, directors, producers, showrunners, etc. than lesbian ones. Probably because those professions are male dominated in general

R33, I'd say the Republicans who complain about SJWs are pretty easy to offend. These people freak out over the .00001% of athletes who are trans and they tear their hair out over drag shows

R23, I've heard of a straight woman grossed out by two women kissing. Some might not care one way or the other, but they're not grossed out

Eliminate lesbian and replace with gay women . It leaves no room for ambiguity and removes the stigma and stereotypes

You know how gay men feel naturally really offended and hurt and scandalised when teen girls or sex-starved Frauen write erotic fanfiction for their titillation about their idealised fantasy take on men having gay sex?

That’s how lesbians and bi women feel when pervy straight men write and shoot erotic tv/film scenes for their titillation about their idealised fantasy take on women having lesbian sex.

Ah the great “you can’t tell me otherwise” debating technique!

Using two non US produced shows for comparison doesn’t help the argument.

They will have different metrics for success and local productions help Netflix in ways other than pure viewing figures. Some countries have legal local production/language quotas and there can be tax benefits with producing local content.

I’m sure we’ve had a thread or list of all the gay male content that’s been cancelled by Netflix..

Most gay men don't care about what romance or porn women write about us. Men in general don't care about being sexually objectified because we hold more power in society. And no matter what DLers say, these gay cutesy romances written by women are more beneficial to our image than not. Straight men have different priorities and write lesbians in an entirely sexualized light for their own amusement. When women write gay men they include a wide variety of masculine to feminine and there's emphasis on passion and emotions. Straight men just write feminine or hot tomboy with a feminine side never showing butch and also never delving into much emotional depth or character arc.

[quote] Straight men have different priorities and write lesbians in an entirely sexualized light for their own amusement. When women write gay men they include a wide variety of masculine to feminine and there's emphasis on passion and emotions. Straight men just write feminine or hot tomboy with a feminine side never showing butch and also never delving into much emotional depth or character arc.

Thank you for articulating this so well.

Interiority really is the main difference. Most men of any sexuality do not seem to write women with a 3D inner landscape of thought or feeling, preferring to use female characters are mere ciphers or mouthpieces or talking dolls. There is the occasional gifted, great male writer who can do it, but those men certainly aren't working in film or television.

Have any of you been on LChat? They went nuts when First Kill was cancelled. And then there was all of the fuckery with The 100.

"Interiority really is the main difference. Most men of any sexuality do not seem to write women with a 3D inner landscape of thought or feeling, preferring to use female characters are mere ciphers or mouthpieces or talking dolls"

Name some of the best fictional female characters and tell me the gender of the writer. I'll wait.

This makes me laugh. Did they miss the dozen (at least) tv shows with gay male characters canceled this year? How are gays (as in male) treated ANY differently than lesbians? Btw, lesbians have a TON of representation on tv in hundreds of tv shows already. Literally all shows have lesbian characters these days. So what if a few lesbian tv shows are canceled? They still have plenty left. That's not the case with gay male characters. TV hardly has any to begin with, the few that exist barely get any screen time and are always asexual and neutered. I have watched a few shows this year where the gay male characters were not allowed to have sex while the bisexual/lesbian women were allowed to have explicit lesbian sex... IN THE SAME SHOW. So please, fuck off. Oh and btw, I would GLADLY switch out that shitty neutered asexual annoying Heartstopper show for a great gay show, where the gays actually get to have sex, but I know that won't happen anytime soon.

The fucking dykes need to shut the fuck up. They have no idea how good they have it. They don't think gay male shows get canceled? What a fucking joke!

Tv shows with gay characters canceled this year. These are just the ones at the top of my head:

The Girl in the Mirror (Alma)

Partner Track

The Bastard Son and the Devil Himself

[quote] The gay male characters were not allowed to have sex while the bisexual/lesbian women were allowed to have explicit lesbian sex... IN THE SAME SHOW.

And, for the umpteenth fucking time--why do you suppose that is?

[quote]Oh and btw, I would GLADLY switch out that shitty neutered asexual annoying Heartstopper show for a great gay show, where the gays actually get to have sex, but I know that won't happen anytime soon.

The main character on that show is 14 and it's a show explicitly made for younger teenagers and kids to watch with their families. Consider watching one of the many older-skewing gay shows instead. Not everything needs to cater to your need to see characters bareback. Baby gays deserve to have shows to watch as much as everyone else.

R60 Fuck off. You are makkng excuses for homophobes being homophobes by neutering the few gay characters that currently exist on our tv screens.

R61 14 year olds don't have sex now? We are talking about two horny gay male teens. But we're supoosed to accept that they don't have sex. Riiiiight. You know damn well they would have had sex if they were straight. You're literally defending homophobia. You legitimatize them neutering us. Please, kindly fuck off.

I think Heartstopper is supposed to be the gay equivalent of the "family-friendly" Disney Channel shows, where teenagers never have sex. Its producers aren't trying to make another Euphoria or Elite.

[quote] The fucking dykes need to shut the fuck up. They have no idea how good they have it. They don't think gay male shows get canceled? What a fucking joke!

Hey you hysterical queen, "the lesbians" are two people on twitter that OP dug up. Calm your tits. You certainly immediately pounced on that.

R63 You are legitimately fucking stupid. You've just been told that this is a show aimed at young kids and teenagers, a show that would be on Nickelodeon or Disney Channel in pre-streaming, linear television days and you're still going on about them fucking.

Heartstopper won a Children's and Family Emmy against these television shows the other day. Tell me which one of them shows anyone fucking: Doogie Kameāloha, M.D., High School Musical: The Musical: The Series, The Mysterious Benedict Society.

R63, most straight kids are not sexually active at 14.

The obsession with Heartstopper and complaining being chaste was pretty creepy. Why does everything need to be sexualized? Can't we leave some things to imagination? Most teen content is oversexualized with attractive older people playing high schoolers. Heartstopper appeared to cast actual teens in teen roles and wanted to capture the awkwardness of it all. Most teens are immature, gangly and have acne. Who wants to really watch them have sex besides weirdos. And yes sexual curiosity at that age is normal but most people really aren't having sex until their senior year or college years. That's why getting your first car was a milestone. But not everything needs sex, sex, sex.

Lesbians are good at writing serious poetry, or political and social analysis--that sort of thing. But on television you want something that zips along a little.

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R2 Nailed it.

Why are the lesbians compøaining about Young Royals? It got ONE more season, with the third being its last. It's also Swedish, which means it will take less for it to get renewed contra American shows.

R41 Yes. Heartstopper is a about two 14 year old asexual and neutered gay teens. I don't get the appeal.

[Quote]I would love to see a show about everyday small town/suburban lesbians doing everyday lesbian things and coping with their lives. How they find people to date when there's a small pool of people. How they deal with gatherings of women that are mainly straight women.

That show exists. It's called the L word.

R37 Exactly! Why do they complain when even after those Netflix cancelations they still have more lesbian tv shows than do gay men.

[Quote]Using two non US produced shows for comparison doesn’t help the argument.

Then how come Alma was canceled? It was from Spain, had a great gay love story, yet it premiered in August and no news of being renewed so I assume it was canceled. It sucks because the show in itself was good, as was the gay storyline, and the gays got to have sex! Meanwhile both that stupid Welcome to Eden got renewed, same with that show about the Spanish family living a life in secret, sorry, can't remember the name of the show. The show is dead to me after the "gay" guy fucked a woman. Yes, that actually happened. Meanwhile a great gay love story in Alma was canceled. If it's a show I like you can bet it gets canceled. I loved Bastard Son and the Devil Himself and Alma. Both canceled. Meanwhile I hate Heartstopper with neutered and annoying gays. Of course that one got renewed! Lol.

R69 well....thank you? I think?

As blanket DL statements about lesbian competence go, it's one of the nicest I've read.

R72 - I think mostly because Warrior Nun was cancelled on the same day Young Royals was renewed. They were both at two series each so far. But I agree, you cannot compare a Swedish show produced by Netflix Nordic to an American one produced by Netflix US.

Lesbians & gays aside, I wish streaming services wouldn’t do this renew or cancel bait. It’s so shit for story telling. Stories people care about get left hanging. I do understand they need to see how the initial series goes but after that, no matter how many seasons it is down the line, they should do like they’ve done with Young Royals & say you can do one last season to wrap up. Warrior Nun was good I thought & the writers now have no chance to bring it to a conclusion, which must be so sad & frustrating.

R73 the fact that you want to see young teen characters have sex scenes. Sick. Newsflash. Most 14 year olds haven't had sex.

This argument annoys me so much, because it presumes lesbians & gays prefer or mostly only enjoy shows where they're represented in terms of sexuality or sex. Which is wholesale bullshit.

I tried to read that R16. Several times. I cannot fucking understand what she's saying. She sounds plenty self-absorbed and self-righteous though. That much I [bold]did[/bold] understand.

Then I read some of the supporting responses and I died a little inside.

[quote] It was from Spain, had a great gay love story,

Spain has been steadily producing some good and entertaining gay male content for years now. Latin America, too, and some of the more obscure Euro countries.

I feel like gay American cinema is a little bit lost right now, and has been for a few years.

R57 Emma Woodhouse Elizabeth Bennet Anne Elliot Jane Eyre Dorothea Brooke Gwendolyn Fairfax Mrs. Dalloway Elena Greco Mrs. DeWinter

R79 It's YOU who are sick. Teenagers have sex. It's life. It's homophobic to neuter gays just to appeal to the masses.

R82 I have zero hope when it comes to American tv shows with gay male characters. The last few years have been horrible. They always find a way to mess it up. I will never forgive what they did to Kevin on Riverdale. He became a barely there character with no love life while the lesbian on the same show got to kiss and have sex. So I think the lesbians complaining now need to STFU. TV is overflowing with lesbian characters. That's the case even if Netflic cancels a couple of tv shows. They have no idea how good they have it. Even the GLAAD report said lesbian characters make up the majority of the LGBT characters on tv, and that in recent years we have seen a decline in gay male characters.

Anyways, my point is just that I don't trust American tv shows when it comes to gay representation. They have fucked up too many times. The gay characters are often neutered and/or barely there. Spanish shows are flawed too, but at least the gays on those shows usually get to kiss and have sex, and they get plenty of screen time unlike their American counterparts.

Eh, gay/bi female characters have consistently outnumbered gay/bi male characters on broadcast tv, cable, and streaming, according to GLAAD's reports. The bi female > bi male ratio is especially lopsided in every category.

[quote] Eh, gay/bi female characters have consistently outnumbered gay/bi male characters on broadcast tv, cable, and streaming,

Things that happen when straight men are in charge.

Exactly R87.

As much as the lesbians complain about Heartstopper, a bi male main character played by a bi male actor is a unicorn.

^^^ 911 Lonestar

R86 EXACTLY. The lesbians are fucking clueless and need to stop bitching.

I think it depends on the streaming service you have. I have had access to Netflix, Stan, Disney+, Amazon Prime and Binge over the past year, and what I've found is that Netflix seems to have more gay male content, but the others either have very little of any LGBT content, or have a LOT more lesbian or trans content and gay male stuff is quite hard to find.

[Quote] I will never forgive what they did to Kevin on Riverdale. He became a barely there character with no love life while the lesbian on the same show got to kiss and have sex.

Another Greg Berlanti production.

One thing you never see on TV, a lesbian comedy.

Cause, y'know.

R82 "I feel like gay American cinema is a little bit lost right now, and has been for a few years."

The "gay" before "American" is redundant. American cinema is lost, period.

[quote] Spain has been steadily producing some good and entertaining gay male content for years now.

Spain have always been streets ahead. They casually had gay storylines in their telenovelas in the late 1990s.

The only purpose for lesbians is to put on a show for real men to stroke to and then join in.

Lesbians need another soapy, trashy, over-the-top, unapologetic show like Bad Girls (what OITNB wanted to be, and never was).