Four Students Found Dead Near the University of Idaho - Part Six

Someone posted this on the previous thread:

[quote]There’s no sign of a blood trail in the drone footage of the property

It would be hard to tell if it was on the gravel or grass, we wouldn't be able to see it from the drone footage. It's also possible that any blood he got on his shoes (boots?) was mostly wiped off onto the carpet after a few steps.

I have no idea who did it but I don't think the two people upstairs did it for a lot of reasons, the least if which is they would be the most obvious suspects.

If you mean the two girls on the bottom floor who survived, yeah, I agree that they had nothing to do with it. Whoever did this would at least have had bruises on their hands.

That's partly why I'm so baffled by this, whoever did it must have had some kind of physical evidence on them. Accidentally cut themselves, bruises from their hands hitting the knife guard when they hit bone, something. Not only that but clothes that would have gone missing for no reason, odd post-murder behavior, all sorts of little things, and no one seems to have noticed anything like that among anyone close to the victims.

R1, a blood trail could consist of small droplets shed by movement. There could have been a series of them, leading in a particular direction, invisible to the I trained or naked eye. But it’s too late now, so it’s moot.

Killing four people with just a knife must have been exhausting. I’d imagine the killer was on some kind of adrenaline rush, in order to have the energy to do all that killing. And they must have had a massive crash and slept for like 12 hours afterward.

R3, agreed.

I feel bad for the roommates on the bottom floor. And still would like to know more about the next morning when the victims were discovered.

Two of the women were in the same bed? How do you kill two at one time right next to each other? I wonder if they were drugged or suffocated first.

Isn’t there footage of one of them fighting with a guy at a food truck right before this happened?

I think there’s more going on that either police know snd aren’t saying or people know and the police don’t. I could see them cleaning up evidence if drug related activity or something. Adults really don’t understand how mentally ill the younger population is. They’re numbed to violence. They love their lives on social media through a world of filters. This is why I wouldn’t be surprised that the two that are still alive were involved in some way.

One thing is for certain - the police involved in this are as dumb as the Delphi ones.

*live their lives

The weather may hinder the investigation even further.

The fact that they said that there were no signs of forced entry is also highly suspicious.

What is with this Venmo thing? do people really think someone did a hit job for six bucks

[quote]a blood trail could consist of small droplets shed by movement. There could have been a series of them, leading in a particular direction, invisible to the I trained or naked eye. But it’s too late now, so it’s moot.

That's a good point, but I don't think it's too late, I think investigators would have seen those droplets as long as they hadn't been disturbed by the people who were in the house when everyone was calling 911.

There were a lot of little red evidence markers that you could see through the windows, I have to think they found a trail if there was one.

Wouldn’t an incel type also rape one of them? Apparently there was no sexual assault. Again, this must be something personal - jealousy? This is why people are circling right back around to the other women in the house. To get in and out of that house, you’d have to REALLY know the layout. What would make someone not suspicious is if the person who did it also lived there.

[quote]What is with this Venmo thing? do people really think someone did a hit job for six bucks

More so, someone dropping by the house and getting paid for something insignificant.

Of all the opinions I've read here, I'm thinking it was a professional hit by a cartel. In and out. Someone in the previous thread wrote a pretty eloquent account that it may have been a cartel. It gave me chills. Too lazy to go back and find the post.

How long before they start theorizing that it was an Instagram TikTok stalker.

What cartel goes into a house with six people and leaves two alive?

One of the victims’ mothers believes it was a friend who did it.

The Venmo was already explained by Ethan’s half brother. Jack K was Ethan’s designated driver, and he gave him $6 for gas.

There’s a press conference today.

Didn’t someone say that the parents have police records or something?

Here’s the link.

[quote]Moscow Police tell me no new updates today but they are planning one for tomorrow. I asked if this means NEW info. Told “planned to be an update on the investigation”. #idahohomicides #IdahoFour

R12 not necessarily. the incel culture has a lot going on. there's a lot of intense puritanism and religious nuttery for example, rage against immodesty. impotence from heavy pharmaceuticals, alcohol, obesity, all of the above. i'd say that's more common actually than the ones who are sex crazed and very acquisitive regarding their view on women. these days those guys become andrew tate guys.

R14 no fucking way, if this happened at SDSU or Arizona State that would still be incredibly unlikely. The cartel did not slay four white kids in Idaho because their mommies do meth. If there were connections to biker gangs or anything serious like that we would have already heard five million rumors about it. I would bet a lot of money that it wasn't the cartel if this happened within a jog of the border let alone Idaho. I wouldn't necessarily be shocked if it was drug related in that this had something to do with backwoods meth stuff. Not a Los Zetas hitman I mean please.

R22 who do you think then? What you said makes sense too.

R23 I think that the scope of possibilities is huge. If I had to place a bet, it would be on an antisocial male who is not in their social circle or is on the fringes of their social circle did it. He has wanted to kill people for some time and is fixated on women in particular. The victims/house fit the profile of his fantasy. If he has a relationship with one or more of the victims it's minor, like he washed dishes at the restaurant, or ran into them a few times around the neighborhood and had passing interactions. The closer in the social circle the perpetrator is then the more I'd bet it's similar to the case that I have linked in a youtube video in this post. It's about a girl who was killed by two antisocial boys she thought were her friends, they killed her just to see what it felt like.

I think that's just as likely as a thousand other things it could be but like I said that's just where I'd put my bet so to speak.

R23 this seems like a good guess. Hope more evidence is forthcoming. It's such a puzzling case; I feel like I don't want whoever did this to get away with it.

What do people mean by “no signs of forced entry”?

R26 the doors and windows aren't damaged.

And there's been some chatter like "The killer would have probably had to have known the code to the keypad lock". You can look at this guys channel - basically outside of expensive specialty locks (the kind that need special keys that are filed with your ID by the company) anything that is securing a house can be bypassed with no destruction and very little skill in less than a minute or two. This guy has a ton of videos of various electronic keypad locks being unlocked easily, including the kind they secure government buildings with. If a basic lockpick won't do it, you can buy an earth metal magnet from amazon and it will open the majority of electronic door locks that are out there. You just tap it against the side.

R27 It can obviously be taken two ways?

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R29 it just means the doors and windows aren't damaged. there's no sign of "forced entry" that doesn't involve damage to an entry.

Oh my, I took it the wrong way, my bad.

A cartel wants you to know that they committed the murders, they're not going to do something bizarre like this that leaves everyone asking what happened. And like someone else said, they wouldn't leave anyone alive.

I think we're going to find out it's someone who knew them but wasn't from Moscow, like someone who went to high school with one of them, or someone who lived in their hometown, or maybe someone in the area Kaylee was moving to. I feel like, if it was someone from Moscow, they'd have done something to draw attention to themselves by now.

Late to the party, have been reading up on this case (of course at night, so that I get all scared in my own home...). Forgive me if any of the following has been discussed and/or discarded already, but here are my musings:

- The killer entered the house through the sliding door on the first floor, he left through the front door on the ground floor.

- The killer has killed before, be it animals or people. Stabbing someone actually DRAINS you, and the fact that he had the stamina and the wherewithal to stab four people to death points to experience and endurance.

- The killer has been inside the house before.

- Only one of the girls was a target, the other one (sleeping in the same bed) was collateral damage.

- The couple that was killed downstairs were disposed off after they either confronted him or after the killer realised they heard/saw something.

- The killer had no intention of killing all the occupants, for he would have entered through the front door and started at the bottom of the house, working his way up.

- I believe the killer lives nearby, but I don't think he had any real relationship/connection with those murdered.

When they said the front & back doors were usually left open, I thought they were alluding to their moral character.

"The couple that was killed downstairs were disposed off after they either confronted him or after the killer realised they heard/saw something."

Police have said all 4 were killed in their beds and were most likely sleeping when attacked. At least two of the victims had defensive wounds, which makes sense - waking up while the other was being attacked before being attacked themselves.

So right now it points to - the killer had every intention of killing who they killed.

One out of seven points contested. Not a bad score!

Trip r14 you copy and pasted this same shit post from a totally different thread.

We participated in the thread part 5 you are going on about with the cartel shit and no it was not eloquent. Everyone blocked that cartel nut job. Go fuck yourself.

R34 good guess too. Hopefully some sharp people in LE will find the killer/s soon. As we learn more about the case, I try to look at each suspect and do a process of elimination by intuition. I think these theories are the best out there so far. Of all the suspects out there, none ping for me at all.

People keep saying that someone was found in the hallway or the kitchen, but that's only been mentioned in rumors. As far as we know, per what the police and coroner have told us, r36 is right and all four were killed in bed.

I know it's gruesome but it's possible that the defensive wounds were from the victims instinctively grabbing at whatever had been stabbed first (their throats, probably) and then their hands got in the way as the killer continued to stab in that area. In this case, I don't think defensive wounds means someone tried to fight off the killer.

My thoughts are this. Why did this killer use a knife and not a gun? Is it possible they couldn't use a gun because they already have something on their record that would prevent them from using a gun? Or did they shy away from a gun murder because they thought the trail from gun registration would be too easily followed and point to them. Or is it just they favored knives. So many own guns and knives and don't murder. The one who does is a murderer and will not follow the law. Murder is against the law. Take away guns and bad guys still will get a gun to murder with, or another style weapon. This person was never going to be law abiding. Usually it's mental problems. Who is this guy who went to Africa? Did he really do that? I thought after a murder like this you are not supposed to leave town. Was that person so readily crossed off the suspect list to the point they could leave town? The Gainesville Ripper after his murders lived in the woods at a campsite. It's possible this person is doing the same. I really don't think the police are inept. I think they have a lot to sift through and it takes time. I bet they are or have searched campsites in Idaho but who's to say this person has not left the state. What if they left the state and are living in a campsite in say California among so many others. Would be extremely difficult to find a person who did that.

Has anybody checked on the alibis of Amanda Knox and her friends?

Now we’re talking about gun-registration trails….in IDAHO?

R41 a knife is a silent weapon, unlike a gun (even with a silencer, you really only quiet it from 180db to 120db..). Slitting/stabbing one's throat is quick and incapacitating, the victim too astonished, shocked and instantly severely wounded to make much noise.

They were drunked up is probably the reason the door was left unlocked.

"Slitting/stabbing one's throat is quick and incapacitating, the victim too astonished, shocked and instantly severely wounded to make much noise."

Also, it makes more of a statement, bigger mess. Meaning, they didnt just want these kids dead, they wanted the killings to be truly horrifying -

The coroner has said a lot of dumb shit that they’ve had to walk back. This was the perfect place to commit a crime. Law enforcement has no clue what it’s doing.

It takes some major balls to somehow walk into a residence and take on 6 people with a knife. It still stinks. My bet is that the two girls are involved and they haven’t offered a reward because they think they know who did it.

Was Ethan nude when they found him? Just curious.

I spoke with a woman at work this weekend who has two daughters enrolled at the University of Idaho. I don't see or talk to her often, it was a surprise to learn this.

She said they did not leave the school and are continuing to go to class. One has a lecture hall class with 120 students. Since the murders about 30 are showing up.

She said her daughters are not afraid, and she has law enforcement connections. She believes there is no further threat and the police know more than they are saying, and that the thought is the victims were targeted. That's typical of course, they withhold evidence during an investigation to ensnare suspects.

I was shocked by how unconcerned she was. I live in CA and she went on to rant about the crime in CA, she wants to leave, hates Gavin Newsome, blah blah blah. No wonder her kids are in Idaho, it's a right wing magnet state. I could not believe she was ranting about crime, we live in a very low crime area, while her daughters are at a murder school.

I spoke to my own law enforcement relative about that, whether the killer would kill again. He said he would not be so sure. The population of the town is only 25,000, that's a high mass murderer to population ratio and the murderer is not a person you'd want to trigger.

360° tour of the house inside! Guess from when it was put on the market

Two members of my extended family were stabbed and bludgeoned to death in their home. The profiler and police and DA all said that this kind of mayhem is usually personal. In our case, they were correct. Unless this is a Manson kind of thing, this also seems personal.

Police just said they have nothing and are begging for clues.

Hmm the poster who mentioned Cassie Stoddart, good call! I could see this being something like that. That kid who killed Cassie is on some dumb doc bitching about how unfair it is for him to do life. Tough shit, I guess. I definitely don't think this is cartel, I can see some people are really wishing it were and trying to make it a thing, but like "fetch", the cartel shit isn't going to happen.

The father is running his mouth off again. He seems to like talking to Fox.

I can’t fault these parents taking action. I mean, to sit by and do nothing must be horrible. I also don’t have much faith in these investigators. It’s already been a month and so far no real movement. This is a small town. How hard is it to out a perp especially in the digital age? What about all the Ring doorbell cameras?

I posted this elsewhere on DL.

Posting here for continuity’s sake:

Welp, now rumors have it, that two frat boys pulled this off.

ALLEGEDLY, there was fraternity beef between 3 of the frat brothers, Maddie, & Xana

Both frat brothers/alleged perps, are named Dave L. & Dave B.

Victims: Frat brother Ethan, his girlfriend Xana, and Maddie.

Both Daves were angry with Ethan, because Ethan harassed one of them by calling him a roided out imbecile with a shriveled up dick & balls, and the other one was angry with Ethan, because he had wanted to date Xana, but Xana chose Ethan, instead.

The Dave who is roided out with shriveled ball and penis, despised Maddie, because Maddie sided with Ethan & Xana, and talked shit to him throughout the semester.

ALLEGEDLY, shriveled dick & balls went into the house with the knife, killed Ethan, Xana, & Maddie. Allegedly, he didn’t expect Kaylee to be in the same bedroom as Maddie, and therefore, was forced to murder her as well, because she may have recognized him. But she wasn’t one of the intended targets in the original plan.

The other frat brother Dave, who was rejected by Xana, waited outside of the home & acted as the lookout.

The two girls who slept throughout the entire thing, were allegedly not targeted, which is why they weren’t harmed/murdered.

I’m not sure if all of this is true, or if all of the details are true, however, I can see a very close version of this happening, & it makes more sense than most of the other theories or claims that I’ve read.

The roided out frat brother is allegedly a hunter, involved in sports, wrestlers (specifically), and lifts weights regularly. He’s also allegedly a full on psycho, & is disliked/feared by many in the Greek community within this university chapter.

The other one is his shadow, and basically does whatever roid cock ‘n’ balls says.

The white Hyundai is ALLEGEDLY being sought, because police believe that a passenger(s) and/or driver of the vehicle, may have witnessed the one Dave acting as a lookout outside of the house, and the other Dave running out of the house, after slaughtering his frennemies.

Both Daves live mere feet away from the murder house, as their frat dorms are right across the street and up a small hill.

All of this is ALLEGED, of course.

Sources: Reddit & 4Chan. Don’t come for me. I’m just catching y’all up on the gossip, OK?

OK, sounds plausible, but who names their kid Shriveled Dick and Balls?

The reporter at R20 backtracked:

[quote]NOTE: The Moscow Police update today will not be a news conference. A PIO is doing interviews.

[quote]Welp, now rumors have it, that two frat boys pulled this off.

This whole thing comes from 4chan's /pol/ board, I don't know if anyone is aware of this. It's not from Reddit and 4chan, it's from /pol/. Entirely from /pol/ and nowhere else. Some 4channer showed up with a juvenile story that he told in an appropriately "edgy" way, including stupid nicknames.

The primary red flag about the frat boy story is that Edgy 4Chan Bro's story includes the "fact" that the two frat boys who did it got off social media two weeks before the murder, but he also says that the murder was not planned. Later, he says it was planned, but only after people pointed out the inconsistency in his story.

R60, yes, I noticed the inconsistency as well, and yes. It originated from 4Chan, and I found it on Reddit.

That said, some of this comes off as quite plausible.

Thoughts?

The Amanda Knox troll is back at r42.

She never hurt a fly, and I'm sure we'll find out the killer is a man like 90% of all murderers!

Sounds plausible to me R61, like the Cassie Stoddart thing someone mentioned. 4 chan gets shit right sometimes, remember that.

Tara Grinstead was also killed by young men and they almost got away with it.

[quote]ALLEGEDLY, shriveled dick & balls went into the house with the knife, killed Ethan, Xana, & Maddie. Allegedly, he didn’t expect Kaylee to be in the same bedroom as Maddie, and therefore, was forced to murder her as well, because she may have recognized him. But she wasn’t one of the intended targets in the original plan.

Yet Kaylee had much worse injuries than Maddie —- but then again the lights were out, and the two girls looked alike so who knows. A roid-raging male is plausible, though, considering the amount of strength it would take to not only stab, but to gouge through vital organs, leaving gaping holes in the victim..

Does anyone have a link to it on 4Chan?

Hmmm I am revising my theory a bit, leaving two options open:

- Either the killer(s) knew the house and specifically targeted two or three of the four people murdered, and therefore spared the girls on the ground floor…

- Or the killer(s) didn’t know the targers, nor the house, and simply assumed there weren’t any people left in the house to kill. The rooms downstairs can easily be mistaken for utility/laundry rooms.

I am also warming up to the idea that we are talking about multiple killers here. It would account for the number of killings, and it also explains why the wounds look different on some victims: Different people kill differently.

[quote]some of this comes off as quite plausible

It doesn't.

Some guy posting on /pol/ -- one of the skeeziest places online -- writes a bunch of stuff like "MAds did talk shit. Dirty also pissed she with Rogaine Jack. Titties not a target at all. Bad luck. well known fact." and you think it sounds plausible?

[quote]Kaylee had much worse injuries than Maddie

According to Kaylee's dad, who has a narrative he's pushing of his daughter being targeted, possibly because of her belief in Q Anon child exploitation conspiracy theories, and is a felon who hates the cops and goes on Fox daily to trash them.

I'm not sure he's the most reliable source on this. I think this is a man who has an agenda, and a clear inability to distinguish between truth and opinion.

It's easy for us to sit behind our computers and judge away at how he's handling this, but if any of us were in the same situation I doubt we'd be handling it as well as he is.

I couldn’t find this double Dave theory on Reddit. Can someone link it! Or did some other poster disprove it upthread already but people here are still running with it. I can’t keep up with all these theories.

Link it? Not link it!!

Typo

One of the Reddit threads on the Dave’s.

^ Daves

I'm surprised given the dad's comments that the q Anon lunatics haven't seized this as a way of not only claiming their causes legitimate but now that they're they are all in danger for speaking out and protecting the children.

So no link to the Reddit double dave theory

As soon as I read that a “Kaylee” is involved in any way in a crime I realize we’re talking “flyover hell” and quietly dip

You don’t need us to be in that position, r70, because there are three other families who aren’t handling it the Goncalves way.

I get it. It’s easy to forget they exist.

Of course the police know a whole lot more than they're letting on. They've got a murderer to catch and they want to build an airtight case.

Goncalves is not handling it well at all. He went too far yesterday and his daughter Alivia had to start posting that the interviewer took his words out of context, in an attempt to backpedal after the shit hit the fan.

If this was a "party house" as alleged, couldn't a potential perp have cased the home previously during a party? This could be a male slightly older than the college kids but who was good-looking, fit, able to blend in with the group. Possibly a part-time or sometime student who brought booze, weed or other currency so his attendance wasn't scrutinized by the residents.

^ Or perhaps a local psychopath who broke into the home during school breaks or other opportune times.

It seems obvious that:

1) It was more than one person who committed these murders and that they were known to the victims.

2) The perps either had prior access to or were knowledgeable about entry and exist ways of the property.

3) They have at least some knowledge of forensics and identifiable evidence.

As far as we know, there was only one weapon. Doesn't seem likely that there were multiple murderers.

One weapon does not rule out multiple perps.

Other than potentially #2, none of it seems obvious at all actually r83

Yes, I've read Agatha Christie too, r85, but you said it was "obvious" that there was more than one murderer and it is not even remotely "obvious" at all. Multiple people sneaking into the house, handing off the knife from person to person as they manage to not wake anyone in the room up enough to fight back in any meaningful way? Not likely.

R84 could have been multiple knifes of the exact same make?

Agreed R79, and the more Goncalves talks to the public the less law enforcement will reveal to him, the other families and to the public.

Was it Kaylee who believed in Qanon or her father?

I think the frat boy rumor is true.

I do too R91, it rings truer than anything else I've heard.

I believe it, too, and I believe said frat boy didn't come alone.

The 4chan poster said, "it took 19 minutes total including the walk." That is VERY specific.

Did you all see the new footage? It’s from the Fail, don’t want to link them, but it shows an entire group of people walking down the street minutes after the murders occurred. I have zero idea if it’s a legit lead. But if it fits the pieces of the Frat story, then that would mean there are more than two people involved. I couldn’t tell how many, it was soooo grainy, but maybe six people were in that group walking.

Most frat boys I’ve ever known were psychopaths, so…

Very true

Night Stalker

EAR-ONS

Shriveled Balls Killer

R95, it's four people. Could be anything, really. Couple of guys walking home drunk..

According to the frat boy theory, Kaylee supported Ethan and Xana in their dispute. Kaylee's family said that she was not one to back down from a fight and could be very forward about it. This could really piss off an entitled misogynist more so than Xana's rejection and Ethan's insults and might explain her over-the-top injuries. Purely conjecture.

ThatChapter posted a video on the case today - I think he has the best true crime channel out there, his method of presentation is very narrative and easy to follow.

R101 Great minds, I just came to post Mike's rundown.

There's more from Sunday's "bad information" interview, which Alivea claimed was about to be squashed.

[quote]FIRST ON FOX: The father of Idaho victim Kaylee Goncalves has hired a local attorney amid a souring relationship with police and concerns over missteps in the quadruple homicide probe.

[quote]The family recently retained Shanon Gray, of Gray Law Criminal Defense, whose cases have ranged from kidnappings to drunken driving arrests.

[quote]Gray, who began his career as a prosecutor in the Multnomah County District Attorney's Office, recently moved from Portland, Oregon, to Moscow, Idaho, Kaylee's father Steve Goncalves told Fox News Digital.

[quote]"I have a lawyer for a reason," Goncalves said in an exclusive interview Sunday. He added that he rarely communicates with police directly anymore. "They talk to my lawyer now," he added.

Still waiting for a link to the frat boy theory on Reddit. You read it somewhere, why not link it?

If the perp had a car he could have got away unnoticed, and burned his clothes. But I was thinking after seeing pictures of the exterior of the house. Can you imagine how much effort it took to go up to the 3rd floor to kill those two girls, then come down and kill the couple and leave? Because sequentially that's how I think it happened. The person knew those two girls were upstairs. He went up there, killed them, there must have been some noise, movement noise or noise of a struggle, something, but the het couple had to be killed because they probably heard something, and by then the killer was spooked and ran so the other two were spared.

R81 I'm thinking along the same line.

Muriel won't let me link directly to 4chan, sorry R104. It's hard to read this poorly written crap, but it's SO specific that I believe it to be the real account of what happened:

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Per fratanon: >Bruh, u can see the King rd house from David's SX room. once that third floor light turned off they did it. 19 minutes total, walk included. Talked about this shit at Bishop Kelley and SX. Loach and E got in a fight that night. X allegedly talking shit. L had probs with mads also. This shit been brewing since fall rush last year. Cunts went quiet on sm for two weeks before and after the deed. Berri's mom a paralegal so he knows not to say shit. Loach cleared his sm.

>Had to take a shit. SX '22. Saw E, X, Loach, and Berri at the party. Loach and E have issues back to E rushing. E talked shit about Loach taking roids and having his balls shrivel. Loach pissed as he wanted X. For dumbass youngins like E, tutors are assigned. Berri blew it with E. E a second year fresher. Berri also self-conscious about his spick blood and talks empty shit. Berri and Loach talked about this shit in general for a while. Talked about leaving their cell phones behind and on youtube, auto-play. No pings. No guns. Too loud. Area dead early Sunday mornings.

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And now for a more readable version:

Per fratanon: You can see the King Road house from David's (Loach) fraternity room. Once the light on the third floor was turned off, they did it. It only took them 19 minutes total, the walk to and from the house included. They talked about this at Bishop Kelley and SX. Loach and Ethan got into a fight that night. Xana allegedly talked shit. David Loach had problems with Madison, too. This has been brewing since Fall Rush (?) last year. The perpetrators went quiet on Social Media for two weeks before and after the crime. Berri's mom is a paralegal so he knows not to say shit. Loach cleared his Social Media.

(I) saw Ethan, Xana, Loach, and Berri at the party. Loach and Ethan have issues dating back to Ethan rushing (?). Ethan said Loach was taking roids and having his balls shrivel. Loach was pissed off as he wanted Xana. (...) Berri and Loach talked about this shit (hurting/killing Ethan and Xana?) in general for a while. They talked about leaving their cell phones behind and to put their YouTubes on autoplay. This way, their cell phones wouldn't ping (in the house on King Road). No guns, for they would have been too loud. The area is dead quiet on early Sunday mornings.

I couldn't make sense of everything, too many Americanisms that I don't understand (fall rushing? spick blood?)

This "Berri" is another guy who, apparently, got into a fight or argument with Ethan.

Fall rushing is the period where fraternities and sororities hold social events at their houses which prospective new members attend. They're scrutinized by current members and invitations are sent to the desirable.

Spick (sic) blood refers to Hispanic origin by using the derogatory "spic".

You did a great job. “Spick” means Hispanic, so he’s saying that Berri is mixed race and insecure about it. “Fall rushing” is when frats/sors are letting kids “rush” which means go through a process to decide if this is the right Greek house for them, and vice versa. Rush is a season in Greek life for newcomers to try and get in and they attend events, get hazed, etc.

Thank you, R109, R110

If it's fake, it's very well done. You can be sure the cops have this text, the FBI. Look at the comments by "Anthony" below this main Tweet:

Oh, one more thing! I have been reading about the town being a great Greek place, and now you, R110, talk about a Greek house and Greek life.

Is "Greek" a euphemism for "university"?

I'll be really interested if David Loach and David Berriochoa end up being arrested for this. Because you know if these two frat boys (and maybe some friends of theirs) did this, they're much too dumb to pull it off and all stay stumm.

Greek is slang for Fraternities and Sororities.

Thank you, R115

R114 after reading the (poorly written) anonymous statements on 4Chan, I believe we aren't looking for a serial killer here. Whether the Davids have anything to do with it, time will tell.

I am now considering the possibility the killer had two knives, one for each hand, and that he struck two people at once. This would have the element of surprise, and a well-aimed slash or stab at the neck would almost immediately incapacitate his victims.

Look. If it was more than one person involved...and I don't think it was, either someone else will turn up dead or they will give away the game. I think it was some psychopath who hung out on the fringes of campus life, either he worked at some place frequented by the students or he was part time etc. and he was real pissed off and unstable. The other issue is the cops are at the very least, along with the FBI going over the lives of the victims with a microscope. They would have heard rumors about feuds, gossip, relationships, etc. and questioned people.

So like do these two Davids know this stuff's going around about them this is crazy like they have to know right?

R118, we don’t yet have any way to verify that these two characters even exist.

R119 they both have Facebook pages and one of them is even friends with Ethan so they're two people that definitely exist and their friends with each other.

Also both accounts are either private or have been scrubbed like the whole post said they were also the David b guy has an Instagram that's also private.

I have to imagine that some dillhole or weirdo has message them and been like hey did you do it or some other weird s*** like that because people are so psychotic and obsessed with this case.

This appears to be Dave B’s Twitter account.

Guess that answers my question they know.

Wow I just read the whole Twitter feed and if they didn't do it this is some crazy crazy mess to be accusing them like this.

Thank you r120, I stand corrected.

Just reading his most recent tweets, he sounds very genuine, like someone who is mourning. Terrible situation. Fraus must STFU or they’re going to get sued.

Yeah I'm amazed at some of the Twitter logic oh you are in a ski mask therefore you did it or you posted about it that means you're guilty like these people are unhinged and insane. Some of it is like you didn't solve the crime yourself so you must have murdered them all.

Your friend is sitting on this couch and smoking clearly you're a mass.

You said it not good thing about a women one time clearly you killed all.

If you didn't kill them then how come somebody knows your name.

Loach is in the 2nd photo of this IG album, the one on the left, squinting, in a dark blue Montana jersey (if you click on the photo, the names of those in the pic shows up on it. I looked thru a bunch of their other photos on that IG page and saw no other ones of Loach). The photo of Berriochoa that is his main IG photo is the very next photo in that IG album, a weird little coincidence. There are a good number of pix of Berriochoa in that album, ID'd by name.

R125 it’s also kind of hard to give someone credibility who thinks “a women” is correct grammar.

The story of the enraged frat-dudes is implausible for the simple reason that the "lookout" would be a basket case afterwards, and whatever friendship had existed between the 2 perps would have terminated almost immediately. You can't be "friends" after assisting in the commission of something like this. So I expect it's likely a prank on someone's part to set this up about these 2 guys. It just seems so unlikely that 2 people could keep this hush-hush, unless they were pro killers who did it as a job for money. -R129

Pasting from 4chan:

“Fratanon cont:

>WKF, Dirty South Loach and E hated each other.

>Berri got a bid because our house gpa sucked and the nc was on our asses. Berri is schizo. Dirty South and E could not be more opposite. MAds did talk shit. Dirty also pissed she with Rogaine Jack.

>Had to charge. No plug. Mads also target. Titties not a target at all. Bad luck. well known fact.

> High probability some brothers are aware. Rogaine has ample opportunities and will play grieving boyfriend. Berri actually talked about this shit in detail in the past. Weear electricians gloves. Put on baggy clothes after and walk away. Btw, Berri's dad works for a professional cleaning company. That shit was disposed of in Garden City over the Thanksgiving holiday.”

Pfft. Like either of those clowns wouldn't immediately fold, facing a 10 hour interrogation by the FBI.

If they did it, they'd be in custody by now. I think the basement girls know who did it.

Hilarious that the fraus are dropping by 4 Chan. Pathetic.

Nc is national chapter.

anybody think the killer(s) were pumped up on drugs during the murders?

^I'd say it's more likely than not. Meth would be my guess, and alcohol.

Thanks to the OP who first copy /pasted and retyped from 4 chan. Even though I take the cynical route with all the rumours and Reddit etc. this theory I do believe is a possibility. Having been in the Greek system, there are always people that know about beefs between others. Especially those that start during rush and grudges and all that sort of thing. There is also a creepy code of honour among diehard Greeks - mostly the frats guys more than sorority gals - where they will protect each other or highly value the ‘bro-code’ of loyalty. And to protect reputation you can bet your life that the SX national chapter is telling people at that chapter to be quiet and not spread rumours. Sounds crazy but there are likely lots of people who know pieces that would lead them to have a pretty good idea of who did it (like this 4chan guy) but maybe not the whole story and are afraid to say anything to cops. No one who knows people that crazy wants to be next on the list. You certainly aren’t going want to be seen anywhere near investigators.

I get that it’s a big step from weird aspects of greek life to murder but, while you have to be a psychopath to do this or be an accomplice, steroids can make some people violent too. Add recreational drugs into the mix and murder doesn’t seem so implausible.

So this is a theory I can get behind.

I still think food truck guy is weird. I get he was cleared at the start, but was he a sigma chi too? Maybe it is really nothing with him.

Police are probably trying to navigate this weird world of frat life which can go a lot deeper for some than just boozing and parties.

Another question, do we know all the movements of X and Ethan or not. I have heard they came home from the party at 1. I also heard they left the party at 9 after an hour, and that their whereabouts after leaving the party until getting home is not known and phones had no activity for the 9-1am period. Which is correct?

Wasn’t it just a week or so ago that police wanted more info in their whereabouts over the course of the evening? They are probably onto some of this bad blood at the SX fraternity situation.

In one Twitter post DB is blathering about his “brotherhood” being accused - see what I mean? Like that should even be a thing right now?

Keep scrolling his Twitter from the last day where it’s all being talked about and and there’s a pic screen shotted from D. B from tik tok driving white car with hood showing.

R131 why do you assume the lookout would be a basket case after? There are all sorts of weird criminal partnerships in history. They both just need to be sociopaths and usually there is one who is dominant and one more submissive, but your belief doesn’t really have a lot of plausibility when it comes to sociopaths and criminals.

The only thing that makes me doubt this frat story is that stupid people can’t keep their mouths shut.

^Oh come on, one frat dude is crazy and decides to go on a rampage over across the street, and takes that nebbishy nerd Berriochoa with him as a lookout...Loach goes in and does the crime, what do you think B. is gonna do when he finds out what had happened in there? This kind of psycho murder is NOT done by committee. Only for money, or maybe in some kind of otherwise horribly stressful situation like war. Sorry. If you think I'm being unrealistic about this, I think YOU'RE nuts. There is no way 2 guys could just coolly stay mum about what happened here for four damn weeks afterwards.

Group think r139. It’s a huge aspect of belonging to these fraternities.

Also fear - of the perps, of retribution, of being under a microscope yourself. At 20 years old that might scare you more than it would at 40.

This stuff was flying around on their social media as of Nov 21 regarding DB being involved - so people are talking. Just closer groups. The Nov 21 mention was linked in 4 Cham. I’m not going back to look for it now.

I’m surprised a whole host of U of I kids on social media haven’t emerged to constantly be commenting of the proceedings. Did the University somehow put them on lockdown?

Bonnie and Clyde Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka The DC serial shooters (a father son pair) Chris Brashear, Steve. champagne and Bart Whitaker (oh gee r140 they were college flunkie roommates who killed family members together!)

If you want to have an intelligent conversation r140, at least offer up proof or a study that personal relationships can’t go down a criminal rabbit hole.

Also maybe do that before calling another poster “nuts”.

And just because one hasn’t gone to the police within the last months doesn’t mean they won’t.

Now kindly fuck off.

They are on 4chan (though it is being invaded by what they call “wine moms”). Also most are probably afraid they are being monitored even if not true. I’d be scared shitless to put anything on social media.

^That is exactly what IS happening, R142. On Twitter. People are talking about this voluminously, about everything imaginable about it. There is minute by minute discussion of hours and hours of the twitch feed at that foodtruck, e.g. and tons of other stuff about every minute of that night at the Sigma Chi house, etc. It's too much for any sane person to go through. Take a dip.

This was not a group of drugged out frat boys. It would have all come out by now. Groups don't keep secrets. And the individual members of a group process things differently and wouldn't be able to keep it hidden. Someone would get careless and give it up. At most two people and maybe meth was part of it, but I do not think meth "made them crazy." I think whoever did this was already more than half way to crazy before they ever did drugs. If they did drugs. I will stick with my theory of some real unstable, vengeful psycho, who has probably been violent before, who has probably been in that house, and is familiar to the students on that campus, This is probably the biggest thing he has ever done, and at some point he will want to let people know, or he will be drawn to the investigation monitoring the chatter, maybe even back on Campus observing. I don't think he ran away. I think he is still around.

I haven’t heard the theory that it is a group. The going one going around right now and being schussed here is about 2 people. A peep and an accomplice. Others may suspect. Have small pieces of info they have put together and are afraid to talk, but I don’t think, nor have I read here or elsewhere that a group of people killed them r146.

Greek = Greek-letter societies = social fraternities & sororities.

…equivalent to eating clubs, drinking clubs, secret societies at many universities all over the world.

I don't think they did it BECAUSE of drugs but were ON drugs and it made them or him kill more wildly.

Cops take hours of video surveillance from gas station after worker spots white car driving passed at 3:45 AM on night of murder:

Basque ≠ Hispanic…not in Idaho or the rest of the western US, where there is a long history of immigration as dairy farmers & sheep ranchers.

A perp* amd an accomplice lol. I will oh dear myself.

[quote]this is some crazy crazy mess to be accusing them like this.

It's bullshit from 4chan, of course it is a crazy mess.

This thread at least makes it clear that a lot of DLers these days are idiots who believe what they read on 4chan. Explains a lot.

Why in the world is a gas station clerk doing what should have been done by detectives a freaking month ago? What in bloody hell is going on?

The police apparently had no idea which direction the Elantra was traveling so they didn't ask anyone in particular for video, they just asked the general public to look at their own security video, hoping to find the car on one.

You can’t blame me this time!

What really frightens me is all these stupid internet investigators are probably the same jack holes who end up on Juries and require irrefutable evidence of Innocence especially people of color I'm certain.

I see Brian Entin said that the gas station was asked for video 9 days after the murders, so that's a lot sooner than I thought they were asked. The gas station the footage came from isn't that close, it wouldn't have been a top priority to ask them for security footage.

I think getting gas station footage from any station within a 15 to 20 mi radius of the crime scene would be procedure just because it seems typically that's where a lot of criminals immediately go right after or right before their crimes.

Killing two people in the same bed with a knife takes a lot of skill. That is if it was just one person…

You'd think they could find the people with that model white car in Moscow - seems like the best clue - other than the glove they talked about on Ashley Banfield (linked below but probably already talked about on one of these threads)

Can someone translate the 4Chan post for me into English?

Fratanon cont:

>WKF, Dirty South Loach and E hated each other.

>Berri got a bid because our house gpa sucked and the nc was on our asses. Berri is schizo. Dirty South and E could not be more opposite. MAds did talk shit. Dirty also pissed she with Rogaine Jack.

>Had to charge. No plug. Mads also target. Titties not a target at all. Bad luck. well known fact.

> High probability some brothers are aware. Rogaine has ample opportunities and will play grieving boyfriend. Berri actually talked about this shit in detail in the past. Weear electricians gloves. Put on baggy clothes after and walk away. Btw, Berri's dad works for a professional cleaning company. That shit was disposed of in Garden City over the Thanksgiving holiday.”

How can someone be THAT quiet in that house? Hardwood floors, 6 people? Maybe with a gun, but a knife with all of those elements at play?

Is it possible the killer had a knife in each hand? How would one subdue and kill two people at once? When it first happened I thought it would be a quick arrest of a deranged creep, someone obvious. But it's all gotten so crazy.

David Berri’s TikTok is disturbing. He even does stabbing motion with both hands looking down going nuts in one of them.

Gawd, we’re such true crime whores, aren’t we?

It’s almost shameful.

That said, I REALLY want this solved. This demands justice. The person(s) who did this cannot roam free.

I believe in my gut that this is frat related.

Most frat boys I’ve known were profoundly fucked up.

I hope Moscow PD & the FBI can wrap this up within the next 3-6 months or year, tops.

It would be such a travesty and a huge danger to the general public, if this goes unsolved.

A person(s) who is capable of doing something like this, once, is capable of doing this and even worse, again.

My concern is that this/these bastard(s) will commit suicide before they are apprehended & put on trial.

I believe that a suicide mission is absolutely on the table for the perpetrator(s).

Hopefully, unofficial, unnamed person(s) of interest are being watched closely.

Also, if some of the kids in these frats and/or sororities know who did this, they need to come clean asap. Their safety is at high risk, no question.

Clearly, r131 has never heard of Leopold and Loeb

R162 -

>We begin on poisoned ground, blighted as it was by great and bitter enmity between fraternity brothers World Karate Federation, Meridional Crud, Ken Loach, and E!.

>Berry was extended an invitation to join our fraternity as our collective grade point average was abysmal The fraternity’s national council had urged us, in the strongest language possible, to remedy the situation posthaste. Thus, we acquired Berry and his exemplary academic record.

Berry, it must be noted, is not a small fleshy fruit. Rather, he is a person living with schizophrenia! Meridional Crud and E! could not have been more opposite! M’Addyson was known to disparage members of our assemblage using most unladylike terms! Can you imagine? Meanwhile, lush-locked Crud was terribly aggrieved by M’Addyson’s relationship with a lad who was cursed with juvenile male pattern baldness! Quelle horreur!

>Please find it in your hearts to excuse my unexplained absence. Overcome by the excitement of the last paragraph, the electronic device on which I am typing ran out of power and I was unable to find an electrical outlet into which I could plug a charging cable. Alas, it is with great pleasure that I may now rejoin you. Picking up where we left off, Coarse-tongued M’Addyson was also a target. Tits McGee—she of bad luck—had the misfortune of being in close proximity to those who had been marked for death. Of this, we are all aware.

Likewise, we can surmise that it is highly probable that other members of our fraternal societies are also aware. Suspicions abound that M’Addyson’s boyfriend will hold his balding pate in trembling hands and play the role of grieving boyfriend. Berry—son of a CLEANER!—told all and sundry of his detailed plans to commit bloody murder, going so far as to remind them that they should alert police if they find his constant telegraphing suspicious….as one does. The cleaner, ever the professional, saw to it that the murder weapon was secreted in an inaccessible valley in the center of the eternal icebergs which constitute Garden City.

A slightly more literal translation of the 4Chan post:

Well known fact: David L. and Ethan hated each other.

David B. was admitted to our fraternity because he had good grades and collectively the fraternity had shitty grades. Our local chapter was pressuring us to do better academically so we let him in. But David B. is crazy.

David L. and Ethan were opposites. Maddy was involved in their feud and talked shit about David L. David L. was also jealous of Maddy's balding boyfriend, Jack.

::There is a break where the poster needs to plug in their electronic device:: Maddy was a target, but not Kaylee. That was just bad luck.

It's highly likely some of the fraternity brothers know who did this. Maddy's boyfriend will now have a lot of women to choose from and will play up his role as the grieving boyfriend.

David B. talked about committing murder in detail in the past. He mentioned wearing electrician gloves and putting on baggy clothing afterwards, then just walking away. By the way, David B.'s dad works for a professional cleaning company. Evidence from the murder was disposed of in Garden City over the Thanksgiving holiday.

Garden City is outside of Moscow, ID.

Dave B is part Basque, hence the Hispanic or "Spic" reference. There's a large, insular, financially well-ooff Basque community in ID.

4Chan posters claim that Ethan & Xana accidentally walked in on the two David's having gay sex. Xana in particular made derrogatory remarks.

Daivd Loesch (sp) stabbed the 4 while David B stood watch with a young woman. She is good friends with one of the 2 surviving roommates who lived on the bottom floor. 4Chan posters speculate that's why she was unharmed.

Note that she called friends at the fraternity before calling 9-11. They are the ones who used her phone to call paramedics. Also means their DNA was all ove rthe front of the house. The 2 lookouts and the killer all wore electrical gloves and very baggy clothes to disguise the blood splatter. Blood was likely only on David B.

Prior to the murders she had complained repeatedly about the excess noise of her 4 roommmates to the others.

Again all of the above information was gleaned from 4Chan comments reposted on Twitter and on FB.

"> High probability some brothers are aware. Rogaine has ample opportunities and will play grieving boyfriend."

I'm sorry, aren't there like five guys named Jack involved in this mess? If so, which one is Rogaine Jack?

David B was assigned to be Ethan's tutor. This was a common frat practice. However David B wasn't very successful in raising Ethan's grades and the frat was in big trouble with the national board.

Maddie had been threatened by other people because it was well known she'd bullied a previous assigned roommate into committing suicide. Relatives and/or close friends of the girl were still angry. This may or may not have been a factor in her death but anonymous social media messages of Karma abound.

Over a year ago another fraternity member drowned in a lake. Some say this was not an accident and could have been prevented. Don't know if it relates to this case but has been repeatedly brought up. Perhaps it just speaks to the prevalent drug and alcohol use at the frat.

Rogaine Jack Maddie's BF is not one of the young men named "Jack" that was at the food truck.

Rogaine Jack = Jake Schriger, Maddie's boyfriend.

He spoke at the church memorial.

You know what? Most of the characters in this story sound like awful people. All the Jacks, Jakes, frat boys, mean girls, the Trumper father. Good lord, what a cast of characters.

I agree. R175 — and all only in their early 20s.

Non-Americans may not be aware of the ever present extreme pressure to conform frat culture requires.

Earlier generations of frat men were all expected to engage in extremely kinky sexual rituals as a form of bonding. No opting out.

Examples at one of the more rowdy fraternities at UCLA inlcuded lining up between one of two prostitutes to take your turn at group sex. No one used condoms. Yes this was pre-AIDS but still VD was prevalent.

Frat members pooh-poohed the above saying older generations had to fxck a goat in front of their frat brothers.

No surprise that there have been hospitalizations and even deaths after excessive drinking contests, again you cannot opt out if you wish to remain a frat member.

Stories of stealing specified objects abound. At one point rare koi fish on the UCLA campus were absconded and the fraternity forced to pay their replacement cost. Or else.

Today stories of drunk girls partying at the frat and being raped by multiple members are common. So is extreme harassmen of anyone believed to be gay. Or discovered to have gay literature/porno. Yes that also means being immediately kicked out of the frat and losing your housing. Minorities, even those who pass as White, have long been a target too in certain frats.

Not surprised given the above facts that other frat members not involved in the murders but who may have overheard something would be reluctant to contact LE with what they've overheard.

Too early to start casting the movie version?

We have frats and sororities here in Canada, R177, but they are nowhere near as popular here as they are in the US and I'm told the frat culture is quite a bit different.

If this “insider” (I’m assuming supposed frat house member) from An alt-right site knows the frat boys and their motives/issues and the victims, why are they saying this anonymously on a fringe website and not talking to police?

I call BS until the cops arrest the frat boys. Otherwise, this is all just BS.

Not a character, R175, but GiveSendGo as the crowdfunding site just cemented the ugliness of all of it.

The woman (Jack's aunt??) who organized that is 100% deplorable as is Kaylee's father.

Common knowledge FBI and/or LE have long been monitoring 4Chan's Politically Correct.

It's known as a means to make an anonymous confession or to procvide a "heads up" advance warning without having to ID oneself directly to local police.

Oh, I'm sure it is, r159, and once I realized it only took 9 days, I wasn't as outraged as some others are about how long it took them to ask. However, some security video is automatically erased after a few days so I'm wondering how many businesses didn't have any footage left by the time the police came to ask.

Beyond the few who talk repeatedly to the media, you can't determine the character of anyone in this story at all.

"I hate those bitch cunts who died because I read a Datalounge summary of a 4chan post" is stupid.

There's the crazy aunt, the Trumper father, the "don't tread on me" flag with the machine gun, hung at on wall at either a frat house or the victims' house, the posing with dead animals, R185....plenty of info to determine the characters of some of the people in this story.

That's the one, R182—Jack D's maternal aunt, a January 6 "patriot," who is MAGA (Making Coffee Great Again) in Coeur d'Alene.

^^ Time for bed.

"MCGA," but with the same font and color.

This video.

Disclaimer? Oh, my sides.

I was bored and did a deep dive of the last day or so of 4chan regarding these murders. I can’t link it now and don’t care if no one believes me but there’s a post from social media dated 2 weeks ago put on 4chan yesterday stating that the poster has a nephew LE that was called in from another area to work on the case in Moscow. He told her (two weeks ago), that the focus was on wtf had been going on with some relationships between the victims and a few people at sigma chi. And what were xana a bS Ethan doing fromm9-1:45 as they left the frat house early but didn’t get home until 1:45. Basically cops feel signs chi is ground zero that they need to get to the bottom of. Also stated that they have two males who are suspects from the frat and are trying to get enough togheter to arrest. Forensics were not back yet though. There were a couple other less important things I don’t recall. Oh wait - the reason the downstairs roommates didn’t hear a thing was because they had both taken fentanyl laced Xanax and were completely out of commission until late the next day around noonish before the 911 call came in. Ofther fun fact - a narcan (?) pen was kept at the house in case anyone did too much. ( Maybe that’s common these days).

Keep in mind this was all two weeks ago above - focus on two people, frat, relationship with Ethan Xana etc. These two frat guys just hit the mainstream radar in the last few days.

My own knowledge not from the post: (The DNA needs to come back and takes some time if it is mixed (multiple people in one sample. That would for sure be the case if the same weapon was used on some or all roommates). My belief is once that comes aback things might start to move faster.

The “analysis” of how the Signa Chi brotherhood was part and parcel of a spree killing is utterly ludicrous…you guys might as well point your tin foil hats in another direction for a better radio frequency.

^The frathouse is in plain sight of the murder house. One of the victims was a member and one of the victims was his girlfriend. If the crime was committed by someone who knew the victims, the odds seem fairly high to me that there has to be a connection to those fraternity bros. It's just the most likely connection. Of course, no one is suggesting that it was some kind of "Sigma Chi" vendetta, but the damn frat house is right on the other side of a field, an easy walk.

There are no odds of a such thing…you are slinging virtual bullshit…at 630 am Eastern.. That’s a real EST you have going.

There are dozens of buildings within an easy walk…and hundreds of cars for an easy getaway. Don’t be an idiot…not a god look on any person.

An ambidextrous Benni Hanna-like stir fry chef crazed on meth and laughed at when making amorous advances

I feel like if the frat bros did it, the two downstairs girls would know who it is. Regardless of living downstairs, they were obviously very close with the victims, and would know all about any feud-ish kind of situation with the frat bois.

The perp hung around for a while to monitor reactions and the progress of Le, but is taking advantage of the Christmas holidays to leave the area. OR: The perp is a local who can't really leave the are and doesn't want to. He is basking in the reactions, the fear and anxiety, and the obvious incompetence of LE. He may even try to be helpful. But very careful. I think he has an image as a "nice" quiet kid who gets along with people and observes a lot. I'm thinking food services , store clerk, or janitorial employee and sometimes part time student. Early 20's.

Has anyone checked their voter registrations to see if they were registered Republicans and therefore deserve to be stabbed in the cunt?

Way harsh - remember they had a lot of time to change and see the light 💡

I could actually believe the frat bros theory. They fit the profiles and have motives. And it makes sense there is more than one person involved. Also explains why LE was saying initially that the victims were targeted and there was no danger to the public.

The other day I was on Websleuths reading about the "boy in the box" case, and just now I was on Reddit reading the r/MoscowMurders sub, and is it me, or does true crime attract the craziest of the crazies? The number of women I saw on those boards writing lengthy screeds dozens of times per day, always insulting others while talking about how smart they are (and often including that they are "empaths" or "somewhat psychic") is just off the hook.

Very true, R202. While I love a good true crime myself, and I do engage in a bit of sleuthing, I draw the line at writing lengthy conspiracy theories that, in the end, always seem to revolve around themselves. 4Chan, as much as I despise that medium, calls them "wine moms", and I may find that an even more apt title than DL's "Frauen".

Facts are, we don’t know Jack shit.

The frat boys theory is totally plausible, but we’re gonna have to sit down, wait, & see how this plays out, just like Kaylee’s dad.

What a fucked up little corner of the world, this little Moscow, ID town is, no?

It's pretty typical for small town white America which has been transformed over the last few years into MAGAland

Moscow, Idaho: the Gomorrah of the Midwest.

Seriously, would you ever have believed Tartt's The Secret History could become a true crime story?

I've just gotten into this story. I know where have I been? Watching World Cup, and Kanye blow up. Okay, I have read some of the news reports but the police got nothing? How? How could they have nothing. Isn't there DNA or blood evidence from the house? Nothing or do they have suspects but want to make them think they have nothing so they will relax and make a mistake?

^You're 3,207 posts behind...not gonna set it all out for you.

so many Jacks and Davids . Those parents were very inconsiderate , didn't they know how difficult they make it to keep track of all of them

r208, not gonna read them all but I think it's Jack the ex-boyfriend and father of Murphy.

Wait….what is GiveSendGo? These 4chan messages are legit how exactly? I know you said this answer but give it to me one more time please. Just trying to make sure it’s all valid info.

R211 GiveSendGo is a GoFundMe knockoff for christians/rightwingers. An anonymous poster on 4chan's /pol/ claimed to be a Sigma Chi brother at U of I. Judging by the reaction of the accused to his posts, it seems he definitely is in the frat and knows them all personally, whether it's legit or if he is just using this opportunity to air out his vendetta I don't know. The poster was obviously disgusted that there was a non-white in the frat and that they might have been gay so he might just be trying to start shit because he doesn't want to be in a frat with a spic and a homo. This is MAGA country, a coffee shop got ran out of town because they didn't want to participate in some imaginary antifa invasion defense operation.

"Groups don't keep secrets."

Exactly, R146. If the theory is true, and it's definitely plausible, I think the cops could squeeze some of these frat boys pretty easily. Someone's going to spill. Someone always does.

R212, that’s perfect, thank you so much.

It is amazing if true. If this turns out to be close to the truth, it explains all the bumbling by cops too, it gives context. Also, fucking *amazing* that in the heart of “God’s country”, not a single one of these Greeks did the right thing and told. If they are in fear? That’s different. But it doesn’t sound like they’re afraid at all, that’s not why they aren’t telling.

Well, they should be afraid. What’s to keep the psychos from murdering THEM in their sleep?

I wonder if any of them have moved out of the frat house since this happened.

I certainly wouldn’t sleep under the same roof with psycho killers.

The 4Chan scenario fills in some factual inconsistencies, for instance, why the surviving roommates were spared; how the killer and lookouts escaped unnoticed (on foot, with baggy clothes they brought along to cover up their bloody clothes). Even the cut-resistant electrical gloves are an interestingly specific detail. It would make a great movie. That said, I still think it’s the work of a serial killer because of how expertly all four were murdered, and because of several other unsolved home-invasion knife slayings in the Pacific NW.

I didn't used to believe kids could keep secrets either, but they can and they do.

This sort of speed and care requires practice.

All skills in this game are honed over time.

So to speak.

No one deserves to be slaughter in their beds sleeping. That’s some depraved shit.

RIP

[quote]GiveSendGo is a GoFundMe knockoff for christians/rightwingers.

It’s that, and so much more.

GiveSendGo has been around since 2014, but it really took off after Charlottesville when companies like GoFundMe and Patreon began purging extremists in earnest.

Far-right crowdfunding sites were immediately thrown together to fill the void, but with names like Hatreon and GoyFundMe, it was very clear what they were about. Credit-card companies and payment processors quickly shut them down.

GiveSendGo had been astute enough to position itself as a Christian site from day one. A site where a grandmother can send $5 to a church group buying winter coats for underprivileged kids, while one click away there’s a fundraiser for a service that matches the lone extremist with his dream militia, or the defense funds of hundreds of Proud Boys and Capitol rioters.

Due to the Christian veneer, any backlash to the above is met with the usual suspects shrieking that Christians’ rights are once again under attack. And Grandma is right on board, because how could people say such horrible things about a site that’s only helping poor kids get warm coats? And since site like that would only support good causes, why not throw $20 to Derek Chauvin? She isn’t sure what they’re claiming he did, but he looks so clean-cut and handsome in his nice uniform.

I think this thing is going to be solved.

There was a GiveSendGo fundraiser for the convoy "protest" in Ottawa earlier this year. A spokesperson for the site was called before a parliamentary committee and told MPs that the site would hold fundraisers for the Proud Boys and the KKK.

The 4chan people are also talking about some girl Bridgit who might have been a lookout and is a friend of one of the roommates. I didn't see anything as to why they suspect her of being the lookout, just a pic of her showing off her underboob in the mirror and claims that she's in on it.

Here is the second part of the 4chan post supposedly from a fellow frat brother who spilled the beans.

I’m not sure which scenario is more horrifying. That their frat boy aquaintances could brutally slaughter them or if it was a serial killer/lone wolf type not known to the kids. I think the frat boy scenario is more chilling.

For the rest of us, the serial killer is scarier because it can (likely will) happen again.

But for the victims themselves, being slaughtered by a frenemy is worse.

Not even a U of I douche bro could be that bad of a writer?!

^I saw R224 before the other part, cited up-thread. It's very clear what is being said and it does not sound like some kind of "creative writing" bullshit that a college kid would make up. It sounds very plausible, entirely.

R227 are you very familiar with zoomers? this is above average writing ability

It's got the fratty college-bro pretentious terseness down right. The scenario of the motivation is pretty accurate in re the behavior of folks I knew in college (short of the slashing part, of course). Photos of the 2 Davids are linked in R129, above, Loach is tall, looks moody, photo is from a year earlier.

The video posted at R189 includes snippets from Instagram. The dead girl's boyfriend, Jack, who is a university student, accused someone of "stocking," R227.

R219, yes. THInk about it. Really think about it. Four people. passed out sound asleep in their beds, are viciously stabbed. Multiple times. Blood everywhere. Gruesome brutal scene. As for the question earlier of how could two people sleeping in the same bed be killed by one person? This cannot be a serious question. Of course they could. One quick slashed throat, two quick slashed throats, and as they bleed out, multiple stab wounds. But the point is, this was a crime of rage. Psycho rage. Blood lust.

^Doesn't it appear that 4 people were sleeping in 2 beds? So the perp killed 2 people each time in one bed and...(??) I thought the scoop in the threads up above here was that Ethan was actually lying dead in the kitchen when one of the basement girls went around to the sliding door to gain entry to the upper floor, and she saw his body on that floor. When she tried to call 911 outside, she fainted, and that was the "unconscious person" who was reported outside the house. (??) Convoluted, I know, but that's what's been indicated in these threads so far.

R189 every normie tweets this cryptic dramatic nonsense and histrionics all day, there's a huge generation gap with the people looking in at this case. Social media changed things so drastically that maybe even to the oldest millennials the behavior/speech of Gen Z is completely inscrutable. Take it from me, it's all normie shit none of it stands out.

I think arrests are much closer now that all of this is out there. The pigs don’t want to be embarrassed yet again.

[quote]one of the basement girls went around to the sliding door to gain entry to the upper floor

Gain entry? She could just open her bedroom door and walk up the stairs.

If a suspect is ever arrested. the defense’s one advantage above all others is reasonable doubt because of all the other probable killers in the area.

R192 you are free to come up with another theory. No one actually knows here or claims to know.

I do laugh at people who come to a true crime thread and bash every theory but offer nothing either. Seems you’re more interested in getting anger out at others. Same with you Dutchie. I usually like your posts on other threads but here it’s bash away like you’re above it all but don’t offer anything productive in your last post. No one has a fucking clue what’s going on since the police are wisely keeping it tight. What else would you like to talk about here?

R236: The gist of the story was that the connecting door between floors was locked and the downstairs roommate had to go out and around to get to the 2nd floor (kitchen) because no one was answering her knocks to be let upstairs. That's how she came to be sprawled out unconscious on the ground outside the house, after she passed out...I don't know where it came from, but it was copied from something said by someone who claimed to know what had happened. A passerby saw her and used her phone to complete the 911 call, saying he or she had found an unconscious person out outside the house...Hence all the confusion about who made the 911 call, even though it was made on a roommate's phone.

There are no doors between the floors.

Dog my cats...

If the door leading to the basement (IS there such a door? Or just a regular stairway?) was locked from the upstairs side, that would be an important clue.

Would suggest (2) a HIGH degree of familiarity with the house, (2) knowledge that basement girls lived there and were home, and (3) no intention of killing basement girls.

R236 not on fentanyl laced Xanax they wouldn’t.

Again - there is no door between those two floors!

I have not looked at the internal video of the house, linked somewhere up above, but it WAS reported on here, copied from someone who had blabbed this online, that the lower floors had been locked by an inner door against further entry upstairs, and hence one of the Basement Girls had gone around to the back, upper kitchen, to get in and find out why she had been locked out. She saw Ethan's body sprawled on the kitchen floor or near there, and went outside, tried to call 911 and fainted. Perhaps the person who says there IS NO such door could say how we know this? I don't know for sure, just that it seemed to explain how she came to be found on the ground outside...I guess now I want to find that realtor's video of the inside of the place -R239

Of course people keep secrets, particularly if they are terrified they could be implicated or become accessories. Then every day they don’t tell it gets worse. Some might squeal, others might try to drink away their anxiety.

BUT, I don’t think this is a situation for an entire fucking frat knows who did it and what happened. Maybe one or two have put things together or find some things to be suspicious about but that’s it.

And there’s no way all these extra people would be involved and be lookouts and all that BS. Likely one person or one person with a helper who is emotionally tied to the killer.

they also may be feeling confident that it will blow over if they lay low as all people keep saying is the police aren’t doing anything. I wouldn’t be so sure.

R245 it was the bedrooms downstairs that were locked.

There is NO DOOR between the two floors.

The photos of the interior are at R51, and I stand corrected, there IS NO barrier from Floor 1 to Floor 2, it's an open wooden stairway. -R245

R245 because unlike you - I have seen the walk through video that you don’t seem to want to watch up thread.

The floor plans also show where here are doors and there are none there. There are also tik toks of the girls in all sorts of areas of the house including the stairwell area to and from downstairs. It’s a staircase. No door. That’s it.

If you want more proof then look for it yourself. There is nothing stating there is a door there either.

[quote]The pigs don’t want to be embarrassed yet again.

Take a look at the Moscow PD website. There are several occasions where the word homicide is spelled "homocide". I don't think being further embarrassed is an issue with these eejits.

What was blabbed online is completely irrelevant. There are Zillow photos as well as a 360° tour of the house after the most recent renovations, and there is no door.

Both stairways in the house are completely open.

R245: “I haven’t bothered to look at the videos of the inside of the house or the floor plans, but someone somewhere said something like …”. . “So instead of looking for myself I will sit on my butt and tell the posters who know there is no door to prove it to me”

R238 we're all just speculating and talking out of our asses here. That's what fora, for better and worse, are for and that's why people keep visiting them. Until the perps are caught, nothing is certain and everything is conjecture.

Nobody knows anything for sure, that's a given — and that's why people, myself included will keep speculating, guessing, and sleuthing.

This frau.

""Groups don't keep secrets.""

Yes they do, and one of my working theories has been that one of the local right-wing nutters did it, and that his "militia" buddies know and are keeping his secret because they're too anti-government to go to the cops. So the idea that a fraternity "knows" who did it has some interest, but IMHO it's far more likely that in an atmosphere of region-wide suspicion, the bros have begun to suspect an "outsider" within their ranks. That's how small-town vicious gossip usually works, it focuses on the outsider who is considered a fair target, while suspicious behavior by respectable insiders is ignored.

So if the frat boys have suspicions they won't go to the cops any time soon, they won't want to risk their standing within the frat over a mere sucpicion. But even if they know something for real, they won't want to be the guy who ratted on a frat brother, there will be social penalties for that they won't want to pay. BUT, if they really know something, and the cops lean on them... they'll cave.

When they say that they bagged the victims’ hands for DNA, do they mean that they removed their hands?

R256 - no. They cover the hands with forensic bags to protect them during transport.

The car?

There’s some dumb reporter calling the car a hi-yun-day. lol

R189 There's almost a dialectic shift between generations, true. I'm 43 and I can understand the 4chan post, although I'm not sure what that says about me.

Regardless of the semantics, the number of people across generations who are directly harassing the people involved, with no proof of their culpability, is insane.

There are people in their 40's and 50's accusing college kids of murder (or complicity in murder) based on YouTube videos and Websleuths rumors, as if this were all some sort of global larp dinner party...

And we wonder how kids got so detached, serious, and self-involved.

[quote]There’s some dumb reporter calling the car a hi-yun-day. lol

R259 That’s the way Koreans pronounce it. They’re so ignorant!

*dialect.

Jesus Christ.

[quote] That’s the way Koreans pronounce it. They’re so ignorant!

A Korean Youtuber says that they don’t pronounce it that way.

I wonder how Nancy Grace pronounces Hyundai. I'm still laughing at "Xana Kern-yoodle".

The “Y” in Hyundai represents a breathy sound that has no English equivalent, so if they’re doing a hard “y” it’s wrong. Best to just say “Hunday” if you’re an English speaker, I guess. With a hard — not breathy — “H.”

I thought it was reported that there was a secret back staircase that connected the 3 floors and was awash in blood droplets.

R264, is that what she said?!

^^Or "Hunty"

R266 It is accessed from the basement closet and leads to the attic closet through a false door.

Yes, R267, she did.

Not true, r269! You access the secret staircase through the revolving bookcase!

R271 Stairs? I thought there was a pole to slide down that enters the the secret cave!

"There's almost a dialectic shift between generations, true. I'm 43 and I can understand the 4chan post"

Tell me, R260, does that post say that one of the frat bros has discussed committing the murders? I'm over 60 and can't read that shit.

I'm also unclear on how much of that is young people slang, how much is meant to keep olds like me from understanding what is said, and how much is meant to foil google searches.

This is so embarrassing. Now they’re saying you can hear a scream on the body cam footage. The American media is just the worst.

It also leads to the crawl space only visible in the original plans but never shown in subsequent layouts

Why aren’t they mentioning the tunnel to the cabins when the original homeowner’s grandniece swore she played in them as a kid??

They left the monitor on.

Close up.

New 4Chan thread.

They’re connecting the car to one of the women.

Hide undie

They're rubes, R259. They also probably pronounce coyote like "ky oat."

It’s “Hunday” with a hiss, not Hyundai with a “Y.”

I like Ashley Banfield’s nightly NewsNation show. She devotes all of it to the investigation.

Is that on that weirdo Greg Kelly channel?

Ashleigh’s show is embarrassing. They’re all embarrassing. It’s like the Nancy Grace network.

This takes the cake. Embarrassingly cringe beyond belief.

R283 “Hunday”? No. It’s “hai un dai”.

hide undie

One of the psychics said the answer will be found in the University Library

"hide undie"

I think you're in the wrong thread, R289.

[Quote]Killing two people in the same bed with a knife takes a lot of skill. That is if it was just one person…

Amateurs!!

Is there a good Substack on this case?

So we are saying the exact same thing then r253, except upthread you’re calling other posters fraus and wine moms and conspiracy theorists for doing the same things you do.

4chan went off the deep end in the last day or so. They seem like a bunch of incels too. Convinced a bunch of random girls are involved like there’s some massive group of people all in on it. Taking that opportunity to stalk their vsco’s and discuss their bodies etc. Complete eyeroll.

It’s the two roommates who escaped unharmed. There’s no way a cartel member would leave any witnesses.

“4chan went off the deep end” what as opposed to their usual sober intellect?

I wonder if the David Loesche (sp?) is related to that Dana Loesche psycho bitch from the NRA.

Here’s what gets me:

In high school, & several years beyond, our friend group had a guy who injected steroids regularly.

This guy was a PSYCHOPATH. Actually, several of them in the group were. The psychopath specifically, ended up at USC. We went to many frat parties, and let me tell you, these parties were CRAZY. Fortunately, nothing horrible happened to me, because I was in a LTR with the psychopath’s brother, but I saw some very unsavory shit.

The frat brothers DESTROYED a classic 1960s Mustang of a guy who was a close friend of mine. They thought that he was trying to break me and my boyfriend up ( he wasn’t), and the literally formed a huge line, and ended up turning the Mustang over on its top, after they hit it with baseball bats and jumped all over it.

That incident was the end of the road for me. I ended my friendship with all of them, as a result, except for my boyfriend, who was with me that evening, and had not been a part of it. We did see the aftermath, however. They fucked up that car, and basically started a war, for absolutely no reason.

Then, the psychopath frat brother and ring leader turned on me and his own flesh & blood brother, because we denounced his actions and wanted nothing to do with it or him or his friends.

My point is, that frat guys are nuts. Especially ones on roids.

The psychopath ended up dead at 46. Heart attack. Another frat fucker who was part of the mayhem ended up dead in a car accident. Another one became a cop, and raped one of our close friends. Another roided out frat asshole ended up with some rare form of cancer that men get from shooting steroids long term, at the age of 40.

Young frat brothers on steroids do HORRIFIC shit. If you guys don’t understand this, then you’ve never been around to witness their behavior, up close.

If I were a parent, I’d NEVER allow my children to join a fraternity or a sorority. These social groups are about nothing but booze, hard drugs, rape, mayhem and violence.

And the wealthier the families are from where these kids hail, the worse it is.

Parents that weren’t exposed to this sort of shit, have zero clue what goes on in these frat houses.

They’re not healthy, safe spaces. They’re drug dens and rape rooms. That’s the truth.

Think twice before allowing your college age child to join a frat or sorority.

I’m not a chicken little or a “MARY”! I’ve just seen some really shitty stuff go down within the Greek life circles, and I don’t believe a kid needs these affiliations to succeed after college.

They’re connecting the car to some girl named Dylan.

[quote]I'm also unclear on how much of that is young people slang, how much is meant to keep olds like me from understanding what is said, and how much is meant to foil google searches.

It's almost all illiteracy and an attempt to sound hardcore, plus a little slang.

The /pol/ dorks are complaining because "wine moms" are on their threads reading their posts, so they obviously don't think that they're speaking in an impenetrable code.

I think Dylan was the first name of one of the two girls who were downstairs and unharmed.

[quote] OK, sounds plausible, but who names their kid Shriveled Dick and Balls?

I would.

[quote]Not even a U of I douche bro could be that bad of a writer?!

Someone on 4chan pointed out that this guy misspelled the name of the high school he supposedly graduated from, so I'm guessing it's some teenager who was just making stuff up for attention.

To kill two people at once you’d have to be on the bed or have your body hanging over it to do both at once or hold one down while you did the other one. They would also be doing this in the dark.

This is the Twitter account everyone is following for updates and info.

R304 The killer probably was wearing a headlamp along with cut-resistant gloves and shoe coverings. You can buy an entire nighttime murder kit at the local Harbor Freight store for under $100 — including the knife!

Weirdo neighbor under suspicion.

Weirdo neighbor giving interviews screams aspie loser or killer.

Neighbor was in prison.

^As in he's done time or was he in prison during the time of the murders?

I don't understand how 4chan even works, lol. I couldn't decipher the site at all, but I did catch on to what some of the posters were saying, which seemed like a lot of garbage to me.

4Chan Politically Incorrect have latched onto "Detective Marky Mark" posting on Twitter a theory that is more sensible than drug cartel violence for retribution.

The fact that posters aren't super careful re editing all of their info to make sure everyone's name is 100% correct is not relevant. as many writers are admittedly autistic or at least eccentric.

Here's my summary of updates from both sites going from memory.

LE had made a request for recent footage of a white Electra spotted at or near the crime scene. A local gas station showed video of that same car driving to a nearby apartment where Bridget was staying. The time line was exactly when LE has other evidence to show that that's when the crime occurred.

Pictures were posted of the same exact car with the same license plate at the same location over the last couple of years.

Bridget is friends with Dylan, one of the two surviving roommates. Photos also show Riley who lives at the apartment where the white Electra is parked. Body language in all photos prove an extremely close relationship.

Riley made an unusual post stating that she has AHDH and therefore would have an excuse if she were arrested for mass murder. Immediately after the 4 were killed her social media went private as posters noticed a flurry of Tweets between Riley, Bridget and the 2 Sigma Chi (SX) frat members named David.

Bridget went to high school with the 2 David's. She's suspected of driving the getaway car back to the apartment where she was staying that night. Detective Marky Mark questions what Riley knows re if the 2 Dave's visited that night and what time and if they showered and/or changed clothes.

While it's well known that the FBI/LE has long monitored 4Chan Politically Incorrect I'm sure everything that's been posted (or leaked) has long been known to Moscow LE. Suspect they're looking for additonal reveals as posters try to anonymously reveal what they know or uncover re this horrific crime.

Again 4Chan Politically Incorrect is only laying out a theory of how this crime could have went down. Other posters are adding what info they've gleaned from the internet with photos of the suspects involved as well as the victims.

Originally the idea that the 4 murderes were committed by a local drug cartel was suggested and analyzed. The house was long known as wild party place with abundant drugs and an epi pen or means to deal with those who've overindulged existed.

However posters poked holes in that idea questioning why there were 2 survivors.

DL doubters should post their own theory with evidence or at least a timeline that makes sense and possible suspects.

Getting a bit tired of those trying to police this thread.

Everyone speculates, and nobody knows. If that unnerves you, go find a thread about home decor or divas long dead.

I dunno, I thought nothing could top the insanity over the blonde van life girl. These "websleuths" are now doxxing the fuck out of the friends of these slaughtered kids whose SM accounts are not private, are implicating them in the murders, then get "sus" when they make their accounts private, after fraus are demanding answers from them on Twitter, tagging them, etc..when it's crystal clear, they had nothing to do with it. I'm done with this.

R313 - you mean a Naloxone or Narcan pen.

No one can come up with any kind of detailed theory about this, based on the little bit we know. So much of what we supposedly know is actually second- or third-hand information that may or may not be accurate.

R316, Yes you are correct. I'm not familiar with the means to deal with bad drug trips, as they used to be called.

R315, When local LE publicly asks for footage of a specific car, or if anyone has heard or seen anything unusual to come forward, it spurs internet sleuths.

One of the major posters whose info I've summarized in a previous post was questioned due to his moniker as a detective. He's former CIA. What does that tell you?

[quote]One of the major posters whose info I've summarized in a previous post was questioned due to his moniker as a detective. He's former CIA. What does that tell you?

This is nuts. You need to seek out some healthier ways to spend your time.

What that tells me:

Buck never would have posted on 4chan.

R320, Thank you for your concern but I've been fighting a low-level virus and so have been staying in bed resting and not socializing. Also I find aspects of this case re Greek culture interesting. "Animal House" needs to be rebooted.

Hell, Dr. Phil had a frau Detective on his show, spewing shit she read on 4 chan.

Someone’s gonna crack, if there are that many idiot Greeklife idiots involved.

My husband was friends with a guy who started taking steroids. He died of a heart attack at 40, leaving behind a young family. I don’t think he was in a frat, though. Stuff’ll kill ya.

This could very well be like the Dollartree version of The Secret History!

R326 So, it was the Ancient Greek students who did it?

This theory is all wrong…it’s not a frat attack! It’s a Pi Phi reject attack! Why is no one investigating the Pi Phi sisters, or their housemother, or the male “hashers” at the sorority. Also look for someone who was dropped by Pi Phi before final bud day! The Pi Phi symbol is an arrow…also used to hunt animals. Their house song starts with “boom, boom!—i want to be a Pi Beta Phi!…” Just sayin’

No, it was the MAGAt frat and sorority kids.

“Dollar Tree” was the big clue.

Bid Day^

THis is a loner. Someone who has been hanging around the fringes for a while. When it all finally comes out several people will realize they "knew" him or remember him hanging around. They'll say he was sort of weird, he was quiet most of the time. Someone will even say they thought he was "nice." He'll be someone who worked in community and maybe went to school part time on and off. He will tell people he had a brother or sister who "used to go to school there." etc.

But he is a watcher and he is crazy, and maybe he has been fired from jobs for his really bad temper? He may even have a record. Nothing heavy. but something involving violence. Fighting or something. He was hanging around after the murders to see the reactions and enjoy them. Now he has probably left the are temporarily. But he'll come back because this is his territory. He won't range far and he won't go away permanently. That is my theory and I have mentioned it before. Haven't read anything that changes my mind.

THe killer is talking to someone. He is showing interest. He is following the investigation. Eventually someone is going to get uncomfortable with him, and give him up.

For all we know, it was a small foreign faction.

I'd have to agree at this point, r331, it's got to be a loner. If it was someone who regularly interacted with a lot of fellow students, coworkers, relatives, etc. then surely someone would have noticed something by now. I just can't get past the fact that the killer's hands would have almost had to have been bruised, or worse.

I read the 4chan thread, entire, last night. The white car belongs to Bridget Berhan, who is friends with the 2 Davids, Louch and Berriochoa. A photo was posted of the 3 of them, in daylight, standing near the white car, having just gotten out of it, taken at an unspecified date. A local sleuth, on Twitter, named Marky Mark, followed up on a tip from an Indian lady, Pajeet, who works at a gas station out on the bigger road near the murder house: she had seen the white car on their late-night security footage, heading east (away from the house) at 3:45 a.m., and it then turned right onto a sidestreet just down the road: the "detective" MM subsequently verified that Berhan and her roommate (name is Shujin Riley) live at an apartment complex in a cul-de-sac in that very area on the right, just like Pajeet had seen the car go. (I'm guessing this *has* to be car the cops have been interested in). One hour after Marky Mark tweeted his discovery, Berhan's social media was all shut down and Shujin Riley's twitter account was made private, this was just last night. On Nov. 13th *the 1st full day following the murders), Shujin Riley had posted a tweet, jokingly announcing that *now* she was entitled to commit mass murder. I saw a screenshot of the tweet. Make of all this what you will, but it's clear that the police were monitoring that 4chan page, and it all does tie up interestingly and jibe with what the original "fratanon" posted on there about the scenario 2 days ago. The 4chan posters filled up their thread last night, instructing someone else on there to start a new one, and I am too much of a novice there to be smart enough to figure out how to find it, so I don't know what's happened there since about 12 hours ago.

R335 the Indian lady is not named pajeet, On 4chan all Indians are called pajeets or curries.

Ok. The guy on there who had put this all together was basically giving her credit over and over with having "solved" the crime and saying that it couldn't have been put together without her, so...

R336, interesting, but I don't believe a single word. If it were true, those kids would be under arrest by now.

That "Marky Mark" guy is a huge asshole, and a bunch of students are being doxxed and harassed constantly by the neckless incels on 4chan, so it's no wonder they shut their account down once he targeted them. That's not a sign of guilt at all.

It was a game night and there were parties everywhere, and there are a couple dozen of white sedan models that look almost identical, especially when caught in a screengrab from a video which will distort some details, because the car is moving. Even if it was their car, so what? There were probably several white sedans out at that time of night. I mean, the car caught on the gas station video even looks like the unmarked police car that was in the bodycam footage.

R338: it's not enough evidence to arrest anyone, by itself. It is highly suggestive. The cops are waiting on the return of complicated, commingled, DNA evidence, it seems certain. One question might be whether B. Berhan had been in touch with the cops about her car, since it seems highly likely that it was her car that went away from the direction of the house on the night of the crime, at 3:45 a.m.. If she hasn't, why not? -R336

R340 I'm not saying that it's all BS I'm just pointing out that on 4chan they call every indian "Pajeet" as a joke like calling any black guy "Tyrone" they do that too.

Er, SWAT was called to campus last night because of some jackass shooting out a dorm window, apparently.

r326, see r206.

As IF anybody at U of I was studying ancient Greek, r327. Mastering the pronunciation of "Sigma Chi" is enough of a Classics achievement there.

Sorry, it was off-campus housing, not a dorm.

The shooter at the off-campus building apparently also started a fire? Insane.

This is about 9 miles away from Moscow, but across state lines.

^They're ALL starting to crumple under the pressure, that's what I think.

Very interesting.

UPDATE This just in: sources local to Moscow Id are reporting a homeless man took a piss next to a late model white sedan in a Denny's Parking Lot last night, 3.2 miles away from the murder house. 1pm press conference scheduled.

R298. I hate to break it to you but you’re not the only poster who went to university and experienced frat parties. Your time is a little patronizing. Your long winded stories of your one experience are not how it is across the board at fraternities and sororities. Sounds like you just hung around assholes. But this thread is not really the teachable moment for the rest of us that you want it to be.

I haven’t actually been on 4chan before so I wouldn’t know r297. Is it true they have solved some crimes in the past?

Those clowns on 4chan are sending the fraus to thughunter.com for "pics of the suspect in custody", which is an interracial gay porn site. heh.

WTF they have a Denny's?

@r349 it should have said your “post” is a little patronizing.

I’m not convinced about the two girls yet. 4 Cham has partly latched on to them because they are friends with Dylan the basement room mate who they are constantly body shaming and posting pics of. Now they are doing the same with these two while also accusing them of being tied to the murders. I’d put my stuff on private too. Doesn’t mean its a sign of guilt. Anyone with a white sedan at this point will be thought of as driving a Hyundai Elantra. A poster upthread keeps calling it an Electra. No one can keep details straight and that is how stuff gets nuts and twisted.

Also you can’t look at everyone from a main feeder highschool into u of i and assume they are all complicit because they knew each other from highschool. That’s idiotic.

👽 [italic] The Truth Is Out There

^The right car, at the right time, going in the right direction, belonging to a girl known to the victims and having been photographed in daylight with the very 2 guys that the fratanon poster accused one day earlier of having committed the crimes. I'm sure it's all just a paranoid fantasy...R335

R356. Now you’re getting it—but you don’t actually know it was the right car at all.

Counter-intel analysts embedded deep within the 4 Cham have released a photo.

Watch your six, ladies.

Over.

No, that's why I said Dollartree version.

The grammar and spelling on Websleuths and the Reddit sites gives me a headache.

You know that pic is fake right R358? It's the Sam Hyde pic that is tweeted whenever there's a mass shooting, starting with Christchurch. Those 4 chan fucks are always putting it out.

4chan is also saying that Dylan (the tall survivor) is a man.

Whooosh, r361.

Phew okay R358, just making sure, this thread is showing how insane 4chan and the websleuth fraus are in doxxing people and that guy probably is getting shit because of it.

R335, Thank you for fleshing out more of the specific details of what I posted from memory.

Elantra is correct, and not Electra. Sorry. Rest of the info is true although R335 gave a better summary.

[quoteThis is a loner. Someone who has been hanging around the fringes for a while. When it all finally comes out several people will realize they "knew" him or remember him hanging around.

R331 You’ve just described half the men in Idaho.

If this is a serial killer, he’s been watching the house for a while. Why not choose a house in a less congested area?

It seems possible the killer knew people who lived in the house. Otherwise, why kill only some of them?

R350 yeah definitely. 4chan is always the first to be onto something, find a conspiracy, get all the rarest and deepest gossip, but you have to be familiar enough to pick that out in the ocean of mental illness and farce. It's buried in a lot of trash but those psychos are usually the first to sniff something out yeah.

Shanon Gray as the sole mouthpiece for the family didn't last long, did it?

Now Ma G is saying that she never spoke to the coroner. She's claiming the coroner called and gave the seventeen-year-old daughter all of the gory details over the phone.

Oh Holy, this story is a phuckin mess.

I really hope the coroner did not do that.

The coroner of Munchkinland is super-classy and professional compared to her.

If nothing else, this case highlights just how incompetent MAGA-operated infrastructure is.

Authoritarianism is great for dumb, incompetent public servants. Ensures they aren’t questioned.

If you are seriously using a Chan site (any) as a source of information but don't understand that 4Chan is a horrible cesspit of lies, racism, cp, and trollery...

Perhaps you should hang up your detective cap and get off the internet, take a walk, call your kids, reconsider your life choices, etc, and stop contributing to the insanity.

^Perhaps, Pollyanna, perhaps. Thanks for that wisdom there...

I don't think you understand how to use "Pollyanna" any better than you understand 4chan, r375. Have fun getting the inside scoop from future mass shooters and kiddie molesters, though.

Thank you to those who were able to wade through and distill the info from 4Chan.

"The right car, at the right time, going in the right direction, belonging to a girl known to the victims and having been photographed in daylight with the very 2 guys that the fratanon poster accused one day earlier of having committed the crimes"

OMG PEOPLE WHO KNOW EACH OTHER ARE GETTING INTO CARS TOGETHER AND GOING PLACES!!!! CALL OUT THE SWAT TEAM AND THE NATIONAL GUARD!!!!!!!!

A loner who knew the exact layout of the house? Got in with no problem? Killed people in the dark? With a knife. Was ready to take on six people? Took off in a getaway car linked to the girls? Come on. Use your brains.

[quote] 4chan is also saying that Dylan (the tall survivor) is a man.

They’re saying she’s a tranny.

They are also saying this:

"so dylan, bridgett, and the dave's went to the same high school."

The murderer is one of the girls father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate. Details on 4Chan.

You nattering nabobs of negativity really ought to check out what those guys uncovered on that thread before acting so dismissive of them. I *know* the site is skeezy, and I have not been on it much at all in the previous years, but there are some sharp folks on the threads dealing with this crime. People are bitching about how the cops have not done a stellar job of following up on the evidence and these folks *have* investigated it pretty intently. If you haven't read what they've found, you're in no position to be poo-pooing it. I'm only looking at it because it's *interesting* speculation and information, not because I'm blood-thirsty.

"If you haven't read what they've found"

Sweetie, I can't even read they're direct quotes, they're so fucking illiterate!

"they're" ?? -Oh Deer, SWEETIE.

4 of their friends went to the same High School?!? Holy Gabbie Pertitas! There's only 9 High Schools in Idaho.

If they are so smart on 4chan, why haven’t they gotten a list from the DMV, or whatever it’s called there, of all the white Hyundais in the state of idaho and looked at who they are registered to and if they are or have any relation to the victims. Maybe The Hyundai Hacker of Moscow is one of them. At least they can narrow things down to a suspect car registered in or out of state, and maybe get closer to whodunnit.

That shouldn’t be too much work for one of these aspies on 4 Cham who think they are computer geniuses. But they won’t because they would prefer the killing is tied to women who post bikini shots on vsco they can jack- off while writing disjointed sentence fragments to each other with the other hand.

Like I said. The two Frat guys are somewhat plausible. The addition of a couple more people is stretching into their fantasies vs actual likelihood.

PS most of these guys give away their age at some point with references to tv shows that aired in black and white, and that sort of thing.

4Chan is mostly loathsome as others have said upthread. BUT...for all of you saying we are insane to believe anything on there, please watch the documentary "Don't Fuck With Cats" and get back to me. People with a passion for something and time on their hands can and do solve crimes. It's a new era.

I’m just saying that they jumped the shark with the Hyundai lookout 👀 👙 girls.

Just saying

The end is near

[quote]They’re saying she’s a tranny.

A distinction without a difference.

For all the bullshit fuckery (like dropping "niggers", "kikes", and faggots" 100 times in every single thread, I don't think they are doing anything to hinder the investigation, unlike the facebook fraus, who are doxxing people selling Hyundais in Idaho or Washington, then breathlessly calling the tip line. I feel bad for the tip line operators, and agents who have to put up with all that useless bs.

Not to mention, child sex murderer Richard Allen has to feel good, the interwebs, diverting all the Social Media Detectives away from his unspeakable crimes, onto these 4 poor kids, who did absolutely nothing to deserve having their lives snuffed out. They are always willing to jump on a fresh tragedy, and insert themselves in it.

Stop talking about 4chan and stop posting posts from there you idiots. ENOUGH

Responding to previous posts, Either 4Chan or Detective Marky Mark or both this week posted a link to the huge number of White Elantras matching the LE request. Recall thousands are registered in ID alone.

Only 1 white Elantra has been shown on video driving at the estimated time of the murder near the victims' house and that was the one which parked at Bridget's roommates apartment.

4Chan and other online sites uses the term "tranny" to describe a biological woman with a lot of masculine energy, suspected to be bisexual or a lesbian. Often these women pose in a non-sterorypical feminine style, wear unisex clothing, or have tattoos. Of c ourse it's an inaccurate term especially considering many straight women pose and dress following fashion trends in a more masculine style and have tattoos.

Those cops blew it, another unsolved crime.

[quote]r6 How do you kill two at one time right next to each other?

A How To:

[quote] Welp, now rumors have it, that two frat boys pulled this off.

This 2006 case was really disturbing.

[quote]R131 The story of the enraged frat-dudes is implausible … whatever friendship had existed between the 2 perps would have terminated almost immediately. You can't be "friends" after assisting in the commission of something like this.

Um, for sickos it could be quite the bonding experience, I’d imagine.

[quote]R133 Hilarious that the fraus are dropping by 4 Chan.

Someone on Twitter dismissed them as “wine moms”

[bold] : o

R400, tell that to Kam and Bryer.

[quote]r147 The theory going around now and being schussed here is about 2 people. A peep and an accomplice.

Police lineup:

[quote]R163 How can someone be THAT quiet in that house? Hardwood floors, 6 people? Maybe with a gun, but a knife with all of those elements at play?

The students may have all been passed out drunk (?)

^ rumor has it Xanax laced with fentanyl.

One of the victims was named “Xana” and was a gymnast as a child. The town the murders happened in was called MOSCOW. The USSR has been known for decades to be in abusive relationships with their athletes, specifically; gymnasts.

Law enforcement needs to look into this.

The tunnels that lead to the cabins also lead to the library

R406, you're confusing the USSR with the USA.

Larry Nassar, anyone?

Does anyone have a link to the Twitter of this detective markup mark dude?

Marky ^

Anyone know what the name 4chan means?

I’m surprised that 4Chan hasn’t done a transvestigation on the police chief yet.

Wait. What?

Shanon Gray: “I don’t think that the family believes that there was an individual target on their daughter.”

Detective Marky Mark Likes this linked video with more info:

CDAN Dec 15, 2022 Blind claims toxicology reports reveal either Kaylee or Maddie or both were injected with a drug. Explains why they didn't scream or fight back. Scolomine (sp)

Not linking CDAN as DL thinks Blinds are made up and not accurate. Since other posters on the internet suspect the same info I'm putting it out there for analysis.

4Chan Politically Incorrect "Idaho Sliced Roast Beef" praised Zoomer "Detective Marky Mark" for his reveals.

R415, anything posted by CDAN and not a single reputable outlet should be treated with extreme skepticism if not outright disbelief.

R417, Normally I'd agre with you re CDAN's previous claim K had a married sugar daddy and that was a possible motive.

However it makes sense that K and/or M, in bed together and in a drunken sleep were injected with a knock out drug to keep them from fighting back and screaming. CDAN does cite info from toxicology reports but of course doesn't offer a direct quote. Just more info to consider.

Agree everything I've posted is speculation at this point and alleged.

R349, you’re right!

My long winded story isn’t the teachable moment. The murder of 4 kids is the teachable moment.

How silly of me to share my story about my own experiences with frat boys.

I should be ashamed of myself! And I am ashamed of myself, because unlike 4 dead kids, I’m alive, & able to feel shame, because I recognized how dangerous SOME fraternities are early in the game.

Cheers, Bitch! 😘

R411-

When the Japanese textboard 2channel, a.k.a. 2ch, was in danger of shutting down, users started their own version called Futaba Channel. It was also called 2chan. Over time, it added imageboards.

4chan started as an English-language version of 2chan.

[quote] R406 One of the victims was named “Xana” and was a gymnast as a child. The town the murders happened in was called MOSCOW. The USSR has been known for decades to be in abusive relationships with their athletes, specifically; gymnasts.

[Quote]r408 you're confusing the USSR with the USA. Larry Nassar, anyone?

Be that as it may, it cannot be denied that this “Xana” from Moscow may very well have been a Russian gymnast planning to defect.

The killings were retributions.

4chan= 4 channels

Retributions for the 15 year old ice skater who was caught doping during the Olympix.

R373, the Moscow police chief graduated from the FBI academy, not the Moscow Police academy, allegedly.

My take on this is that the people assigned to this case have gotten LOTS of credible information and corroborated accounts of the events that took place that evening.

What they’re missing is hard evidence, or a confession from some one involved, even if peripherally.

I believe that they will eventually wrap this case up & bring forth charges, even if the charges are based on some solid, circumstantial evidence.

It’s a complicated case, and I believe those in the know are currently either spilling the beans, or protecting others in order to protect themselves.

Eventually, someone and/or something will crack, and charges will be brought forth.

At least I hope so! 👆🏽

4 Chan started out as a Super Fan site for Carol Channing > For Channing > For Chan > 4Chan.

[quote]the Moscow police chief graduated from the FBI academy, not the Moscow Police academy, allegedly.

It was an FBI training camp for small-town police chiefs.

Oh, I see.

Thanks for the clarification, R426!

Much obliged. 👍🏼

Such a shit show !

[quote]r172 Maddie had been threatened by other people because [bold] it was well known she'd bullied a previous assigned roommate into committing suicide. [/bold] Relatives and/or close friends of the girl were still angry. This may or may not have been a factor in her death but anonymous social media messages of Karma abound.

I’d like to hear more about THIS.

[quote]4 Chan started out as a Super Fan site for Carol Channing > For Channing > For Chan > 4Chan.

The topic that marked the beginning of its descent was "Remembering Corn".

Children of the Corn

Mal-A-Chi.

Is that a frat, R431?

One possible translation of Mal-A-Chi is “Evil Without Life.”

Kaylee and Madison's celebration of life is taking place on 12/30 at Lake City Church, best known to DL as the site of Patty Duke's memorial service.

R409: Night before last, I saved Mark "Marky" Berger's tweet about following the trail to Bridget Berhan's apartment (just for you!). The link is below, and you can see that the contents have been scrubbed from the site, by this point. It gave the street address, something like 2144 Indian Hill Trail. When I put that street addy into Google Maps, to try to see how far away it was from the murder house, Google automatically supplied the "Moscow, Id." part, so that address search had become VERY popular in just the one hour or so that Berger's tweet had been in existence.

THem kids as was kilt at that college is still dead, ya know? Lots a talk about what was goin on but dead is dead...

Glad I helped you realize how self serving and idiotic your post was 😘

R395 is telling you now so he doesn't have to tell you then.

Gurls! A screengrab from our very own little DataLounge. Is Markymarkmark a DL'er?

Thanks to those of you who explained 4 Chan meaning and supplied Twitter links!

I am in agreement with r424 right now. They probably are on to things. Commingled dna analysis is apparently time consuming. Also can you imagine how hard it could be to get good possible perp samples when the bodies were left to bleed out for hours afterwards. And if people tracked through the house linking dna might be tough. Also, they need to get source dna samples from possible suspects if they are not already in the database. That’s hard work.

Who said Marky Mark is a Zoomer? He’s former CIA.

[quote] Wait. What?

[quote]Shanon Gray: “I don’t think that the family believes that there was an individual target on their daughter.”

Wait, what, what? What’s so confusing to you, hon?

If the cops suspect the frat bros, would they really leave them in a group living situation where they might kill other people? Do the suspects actually live in the frat house?

Now they’re saying the two roommates weren’t asleep but hiding in their room and declined to call 911.

Food truck guy speaks!

So he’s saying one of the girls was drunk?

What is this popular “Larry Craig” drink the guy says people drink at the Corner Club??

01:40 mark

R439 hahaha looks like the lil bitch got offended.

Food truck guy speaks, hut does he ever get to the point?

That Marky Mark whoever on Twitter sounds borderline special needs to me.

[quote]Now they’re saying the two roommates weren’t asleep but hiding in their room and declined to call 911.

Who is they, 4chan?

Look. WHo ever did this was watchful. Those girls were sound asleep by the time the killer got to them.

R451, that Facebook group for the cast that even the victims’ families are on. The police also reportedly said it.

R452, you mean 5 girls and 1 guy.

I am very curious about the Larry Craig drink as well. I Google'd it but no luck. Most of those Moscow bars don't have websites.

[quote]Wait, what, what? What’s so confusing to you, hon?

What's confusing, boo, is that in the hours leading up to Shanon Gray's interview the family was still claiming that Kaylee was targeted.

[quote]Goncalves told Fox News that the local coroner told him Kaylee had several “big open gouges” on her body that “definitely did not match” the wounds of the other victims. Steve claimed these devastating wounds, to Kaylee’s liver and lungs, are proof the attack was targeted and carried out by a “sadistic man.”

Agree with Idaho Dad that this is the work of a male (duh), but he still needs to shut his pie hole if he wants this thing solved.

Probably a male (if that’s how he identifies). However, females have done some fucked up shit at this same exact age. Investigation Discovery has covered those cases non-stop. Girls even burn the bodies. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if more than one is involved in this thing, including a female. They’re already linking that car to one of the girls. Was she a getaway driver? They sure do have some psychopaths living around there.

R458 "if that's how he identifies"? Are people only male if they say they are? I don't get it.

Will marky Mark post for screenshots from here if we keep talking about what do he is?

I really think the killer was a male. For all the horrors that women can be capable of, I can't imagine that many females would be confident enough of their physical ability to overpower healthy young adults with just a knife, that's the act of someone who thinks his physical strength and rage will prevail if there's resistance. AND someone who thinks that sticking it in is the ultimate act of domination.

I also think it's a lone killer, someone who didn't realize that the killing was going to snowball, someone expecting two small female victims instead of four including a young man. But that's just a guess, like everything on these threads.

They need to check the cabins by the lake.

[quote]r457 Agree with Idaho Dad that this is the work of a male (duh), but he still needs to shut his pie hole if he wants this thing solved.

He gave some quote “I paid to send my daughter off to college, not have her sent home in a box.”

Now he’s blaming the school that his daughter was last seen stumbling drunk, and liked in a drug house?

[quote] r439 Will Marky Mark post for screenshots from here if we keep talking about what do he is?

Self Appointed Expert Marky Mary: who’s had him?

Detective Marky Mark:

“Who is gaying who and how was it a motive and does 4chandler know about it”

Another guy died back in May at the school and there’s a picture of him outside the house.

Someone call Zac from Ghost Adventures, R466!

R461 has never seen my Alaskan lesbian cousin's spouse butcher an elk.

The coroner is also a defense attorney?! lol. Oh, good god, the trial is going to be a shitshow.

Can you guys wrap this thing up before Christmas so we can have a week off before hooking into some New Year’s Eve tragic true crime story?

R443 they kind of have to leave them where they are. A suspicion isn’t equal to being able to arrest. They usually just watch suspects in this situation.

Thank the goddess Our Chris is accounted for, so they can’t pin this farce on him, too.

Hey, Dutchess - Totally unrelated to this thread, but this sounds like your five week cold. I hope the link works. I've had trouble linking DL threads.

R473 many thanks for thinking of me, the link didn't work but perhaps you can provide me with the thread title? I'll find it.

Of course. It's "New Yorkers Are Sick of Being Sick."

Hope you feel better soon!

I blow you a safe-distance air-kiss from behind my mask, R475.

How do we know this was a "drug house"?

R477 it was definitely known as a party house, and apparently, there were anti-overdose pens found in the house. Makes you wonder what these kids are partying on these days?

So someone on a Facebook group claims that the two surviving roommates weren't asleep but just hiding and refused to call 911, and they claim they heard it from the cops? No, sorry, not gonna believe that. Those FB groups are hysteria overload, half trolls and half crazy people. The families need to stay far away from those groups, but sadly, they won't.

R478 Xanax is by far the most popular drug for zoomers but Fenny, Coke, LSD, Molly are very popular and easy to get too.

Previous renters at the same house have come forward and posting on social media detailing the goings on at the party house. So have several different neighbors complaining about the endless noise.

One of the immediate neighbors has been arrested for drug dealing. He's the cook who openly dissed the gilrs for being barely able to stand. This was shown on video at the food truck right before the murders.

Nothing like victim blaming two females for doing what almost everyone, male or female, does every weekend at university- getting hammered and then buying food at the end of the night. So what if they were drunk? And people tend to sway while they are drunk. They still seemed pretty in control of their faculties. Doesn’t matter anyway. They were in a pair and arranged for a trusted ride home. Why shade them for normal college age behaviour. Perhaps the “cook” should be shaded for being such a massive lard ass who clearly eats everything in sight, as well as an attention seeker who ghoulishly is trying to insert himself into the narrative.

Was there really a bloody knife found in a beheaded teddy bear?

Has anyone looked for a guy in a boiler suit and hockey mask carrying a machete who’s impervious to multiple gunshots and lightning strikes?

So just in a one year period, we have a girl dead by suicide after bullying by another (now murdered ) girl, a guy dead during what sounds like a drowning hazing incident ( who at minimum was not helped when he got in trouble), another guy also dead from what also appears to be drowning, and now 4 people in one house brutally murdered on “parents weekend” no less.

That’s an awful lot of dead kids for one small town college in a short period of time. And it seems like dead people were mostly known to each other. At minimum it is a much more toxic than average Greek system there with little oversight by the university. Wtf. A lot of twists and turns still before we see the end of this mass murder case, but it is already movie gold with these seemingly golden college kids, most of whom have shady family situations, and ties to each other all going to school in a creepy small town that is starting to give me ‘Twin Peaks’ vibes. . It feels too soon but I’d love to start the DL movie casting process at some point!

It's never too soon for The DataLounge, R485.

R485, You need to add that Dylan, one of the surviving roommates has a thug-looking BF and a father/uncle in jail. Suspect re why she immediately called friends at the nearby frat instead of 911. Many are poking holes in her story.

R487, Occam's Razor dictates that there could be many reasons why those two survived, but the simplest one would be: They were in on it.

HOWEVER...... would one really spend the night inside a house knowing what ghastly things were about to transpire? Unless it was always presented as "simply giving them a good scare", with the lethal outcome only decided upon moments before they (I assume 2 or more killers) entered the premisses?

What an interesting case this is.

R482, Don't believe in victim blaming but young women who are regularly seen on the food truck videos very drunk, and dressed in clubwear for partying, and who live in a known party/drug house, are putting themselves at unneeded risk for stalkers et al.

So what the university/sorority provides them with a pre-paid Lyft/Uber ride home. Immature men of all ages can see these videos and mistakenly think they're Only Fans "sluts" and particularly those not attuned with current college coed culture. Ironic that there's a conservative, cultic church next door fighting over land and standards.

I don't believe the survivors were in on it. I think they were hiding out of fear! I even have to wonder , IF this involved Frat Boys, whether or not they were warned. Like, "You might not want to be home tonight, something bad is going down..." Vague non specific. They forget about the warning until they hear something and they stay perfectly quiet. That's one scenario.

If it was some loner, as I believe it was, then they either were passed out and heard nothing, or they cowered in fear and heard the murders. But in any case I do not believe they were complicit. In general, this campus does not seem like a very safe place to be.

Maybe the producers of Skinwalker Ranch could do their next show in Moscow.

My gut tells me the killer didn’t know they were there. And if he did, he probably intended to kill them too but weren’t expecting to have a fight that tired him out. He probably got spooked and fled while he knew he still had the chance.

R485 we don't know she bullied some girl to death, that sounds like the cunts at 4chan victim blaming and very lifetime movie like.

R489 is a toxic misogynist or a woman who has internalized misogyny. You are saying they should not behave like regular college kids

I don’t think sweatshirts, mom jeans and an oversized windbreaker and sneakers constitutes club wear but “so what” if it did? There are people who go to school during the day who dress more revealingly than those girls were that night. . They need to dress differently because they need to be responsible for a mam’s uncontrollable thoughts about Only Fans??? Gurl, you need to step away from 4chan. Cause that’s where that toxic shit you wrote is being said. Just because you haven’t lived much doesn’t mean those girls did anything wrong. . And fuck you for suggesting using a ride ride service vetted by their sorority wasn’t responsible. Why don’t you just come out and say they deserved what happened to them for being at a college food truck ordering pasta. You need to put your phone down and make some friends.

We don’t know anything r493. Though you’re right, it should have said “may have been bullied”. That being said who is the real cunt, for visiting and critique of that part while the victim blaming is going on in other posts around that. Hardly the most offensive thing here.

Yeah I'm a cunt too for being here, I never debated that, but it's so fucking melodramatic to say this chick bullied someone to death, but that may just be because I think the bullied to death thing is utter bullshit. Ask these 4 what really kills, knives or mean words?

By the way the person at r493 referring to “cunts and 4chan” also wrote this upthread about the current popular theory:

“Sounds plausible to me R61, like the Cassie Stoddart thing someone mentioned. 4 chan gets shit right sometimes, remember that.”

Yes they do R497, they also talk a lot of shit in between.

If the Basement Girls *were* "hiding out" down below (and the story I've seen is that the start-up of the fearful sounds caused one of them to go into the other one's bedroom and they both stayed in one room all night), how is it that it took them until almost noon the following day to alert anyone that something bad had happened? And yes, why did they call friends over to the house before calling the cops?

Also, I don't know if it's been pointed out here yet or not (don't think so) but one of the 2 guys in Sigma Chi that the 4chan bros were indicating might have been in on these killings has subsequently, publicly, demonstrated that he had an air-tight alibi for his whereabouts throughout the night, so that line of speculation sort of dried right up).

Or did you think that saying "they get shit right sometimes" is like the ultimate fucking accolade R497?

[quote]4 Chan started out as a Super Fan site for Carol Channing > For Channing > For Chan > 4Chan.

I just want to say that this is still cracking me up 36 hours after it was posted.

Apparently r493 and r498 and r500 (same person) is the authority on what is plausible and implausible/ right and wrong on 4chan. And calls other “cunts” for not strictly following their judgment of that.

Also wrote some lovely stereotypes about asians being submissive, latinas and references to “blacks” too.

You add zero of value to this conversation.

Bye and blocked!

R501 it was a great one! I’m the one who asked about what the name meant and still laugh that response!

R499 calling friends before calling the cops is something that, at that age, may seem like the most logical step: Calling friends in search of support, not thinking clearly after, I assume, seeing your friends slashed to death.. I don't read too much into the order of phone calls, other than two very young women being in an absolute state of shock.

You know, D., as soon as I put up that post it hit me: I bet there were drugs in that place the gals wanted someone to come and take away before the cops were summoned. Esp. based about what has been indicated about Dylan over on 4chan (her family and friends and bf), I would bet there were substances in that place that the girls would want removed before LE got there. Simple.

R505, despite me parroting that it was a drug house, that never occurred to me! Bravo.

Makes total sense.

Who knew, beyond that corn quote, Carol had so many ardent followers?

[quote]Apparently r493 and r498 and r500 (same person) is the authority on what is plausible and implausible/ right and wrong on 4chan.

If you've read the 4chan threads, you've seen people say repeatedly that they're making shit up for the "wine moms" and they gloat when one of their lies gets repeated on Reddit.

At this point, I regard anyone on here pushing 4chan bullshit as being a 4channer themselves, putting on an act of being indignant but really just trying to get DLers to buy the bullshit, too.

‘Faster Pussycat, Kill, Kill’ poster in the attic apartment?

Dylan is not a tranny, she just has an abnormally large clit, aka her "clenis".

Also, this case is going nowheres. Much like the Jonbenet Ramsey case, inept local LE will eventually insinuate that, the crime scene was hopelessly contaminated by multiple bystanders before the FBI got there, therefore it's unsolvable.

What is it about that part of the US?? If that shit happened on the Eastern Seaboard, it would've been solved 3 weeks ago.

Wild Wild West

There were other rumours that they took fentanyl laced Xanax when they got home that night. That would make sense for them not hearing anything and not waking until noon. Then like r505 and r506 said, probably wanted to get rid of it fast while in a complete panic when they saw the disaster.

Way back about a month ago, it was said that one of the downstairs girls did hear something and called her boyfriend to come over and check it out, but he didn't. This might be a cross confusing story with the story of K and M calling J in the middle of the night. My big question regarding the late night phone calls is still: Did J,. when he woke up that morning, return the call to see what was so urgent that they called him ten times in the middle of the night?

I'd be interested to see what Kaylee and Madison really looked like, I mean, without the pound of orange oompa-loompa makeup and fake eyelashes.

I wonder if they saw the ex-boyfriend hanging around outside the house and that’s why they called him 900 times.

[quote] Way back about a month ago, it was said that one of the downstairs girls did hear something and called her boyfriend to come over and check it out, but he didn't.

Link.

[quote] Esp. based about what has been indicated about Dylan over on 4chan (her family and friends and bf),

What was indicated?

The question we all have and demand an answer to is: how big was Ethan’s cock? Why hasn’t a reporter asked this at one of the briefings?!

Typical Facebook Detective Comments:

"Kaylee and Maddie were both in Greek life and both worked at a Greek restaurant. That's definitely a pattern. Has LE brought every Greek man in the area for questioning and a DNA test? (I just got chills typing this, lol)"

"Somebody knows something, amiright??!

"Whoever did this was a really,really,really angry person"

"I never met or knew Xana and Ethan, but they just put out chill, sunshiney, and old soul vibes. My holiday is going to be super tough and stressful knowing they are gone. Send virtual hugs and healing thoughts here, fellow sleuthers!"

"Just my opinion, but I think a man did this"

"How many white cars could there be in Idaho? Stupid lazy FBI!" 😤

"I don't know if you guys remember, but I'm the one who first realized Gabby Petitio's nipples were pierced."

"The peeps @ 4chan maintains that a black Jewish homosexual transgendered person did it with an ax. Do we agree?"

"What is a Slam Pig?"

This case will never be solved. Mark me!

So both women were intoxicated that night?

I can’t believe no one is claiming that it was a gay love affair gone wrong.

Go away asswipe at R522.

Well r522, one of the rumors is that E and Z caught the two Davids going at it and threatened to tell the rest of the frat about it.

Fox just posted brand new surveillance video of the two women walking with a man the night of the murders.

The women appear to be wearing the same clothes Goncalves and Mogen were seen sporting that same evening on video outside a nearby food truck. The man walking with them is also wearing clothes that look like those on a man seen at the food truck whom police have said is not a suspect.

"Maddie, what did you say to Adam?" a woman asks as the group walks under an outdoor surveillance camera.

"Like, I told Adam everything," the second woman replies.

"The video was provided to Fox News Digital by Kristine Cameron and Alina Smith, the creators and administrators of the "University of Idaho Murders - Case Discussion" Facebook group."

See? Told y'all we're real detectives.

"...these seemingly golden college kids, most of whom have shady family situations, and ties to each other all going to school in a creepy small town that is starting to give me ‘Twin Peaks’ vibes"

Agreed! I live in a college town, but one where the students are mostly there to study, not party. I mean there was a large explosion in an apartment near campus a few years ago, and my first thought was "Chemistry Major", not "terrorist", and that first thought was correct. That probably wouldn't be true of Moscow, Idaho.

David Lynch needs to get his ass in gear!

Adam, Gurl.... they coming for you!

"Occam's Razor dictates that there could be many reasons why those two survived, but the simplest one would be: They were in on it."

I disagree, I'd say that Occam's Razor says that the simplest and likeliest explanation is that the surviving roommates were passed out, too hammered to notice a chainsaw a foot away. Because if the roommate girls were in on it, wouldn't they have been at pains to establish alibis?

No, it was a party house in a college town on Saturday night, everyone else in the house had been drinking, there were overdose pens around so presumably drugs got used there. If the surviving roommates had been in on it in advance they definitely would have taken pains to establish alibis, and even if they ended up being involved without advance notice, they'd still have tried to come up with a better story than "Uh, we slept through four slasher murders".

R528, I think it's a low level university full of party kids who couldn't get in anywhere else

I haven't searched through this thread but my sister's ex boyfriend is a retired FBI agent and he's been a guest on some of these news programs talking about this case. His name is Bobby Chacon.

They *knew* too much, that's what I think.

Adam = adam lauda

Lives in the house with Jack.

Does Bobby have a big cock?

"The word" is that the two survivors were passed out on booze and Xanax laced with Fentanyl.

^Moscow doesn't go for booze and DOPE!!

Well, I heard that the killer USED Occam's Razor to do the murders, so.

^^^Well done.

I’m not completely convinced that the state of Idaho didn’t cook this whole thing up to generate tourism through true crime aficionados. It’s not like the potatoes are ever going to be a big enough draw to bring lots of tourism dollars into the state.

R540 I bet you think GW Bush planned 9/11. Mary!

Maddie told Adam Kaylee wasn't planning on ever reconciling with his roommate, her ex, Napoleon Dynamite. This would account for the barrage of calls to Napoleon's cell, from both Kaylee and Maddie

R541 Don’t call me Mary! But, Shirley is fine.

Sarah Palin was a U of I alum, if that tells you anything.

R544 It must have been very hard for her to see Russia from her dorm door?

If only they would have all chosen to spend the semester studying abroad they’d all still be alive like the lost Twink of France.

[quote]Sarah Palin was a U of I alum

I forgot all about that. She actually went there twice, years apart, as stops on her one-semester-per-school BA quest.

Sarah Palin, Lou Dobbs, Larry Craig, Anthony Curcio....all the best people.

I have some links for a few YouTube videos of a guy that drives and walks around the area of the house where the murders took place. It gives a good perspective. I haven’t watched them all but will link the ones I have seen. That house is really close to the sigma chi house for example I thought the sig house was across a field and up a hill further away than it actually is. Also brings up in one of them the white maybe Elantra what was seen driving around the house early in the day after the murder and could be seen in a few photos on one street and possibly over the shoulder of a reporter.

Anyways this guy doesn’t actually get drawn too much into theories. At least not in the few I have seen so far. He does do a good job giving perspective on the location.

“Allegedly”

Gain the titles are a little bit misleading. His actual videos are pretty good at orienting people with the down and street etc where the murders happened.

R532 Bobby Chacon is a hot piece! Seen him on seemingly hundreds of episodes of It Takes A Killer. I bet he’s got a nice thick cock R535

Saw some bodycam footage of police handling a noise complaint during a party at the murder house. Pretty chaotic. The kids lie to the cops, say they don't know who lives there, they aren't home. They actually are there, at least 2 of them.

These girls didn't have control over that house, at all.. it was just a big fucking free for all. This attitude/situation contributed to their murders, for sure.

There must be 80 kids' DNA inside that place. This will never be solved.

[quote]Does Bobby have a big cock?

Supposedly it's average.

Which 80s kids’ DNA? Like the child cast of Full House?

Sept noise complaint and David L, frat bro who reportedly had a major beef with fellow frat bro Ethan, answers the door.

"There must be 80 kids' DNA inside that place. This will never be solved."

Yeah, how do they find the killer's DNA, in a sea of blood, and in a house where hundreds of kids have touched things, leaned on things to keep from falling, thrown up, passed out, and fucked in any empty bedroom they could find? How do they prove that a suspect whose DNA was found in the house, hadn't just been there to party on a different night?

Perhaps the case will be solved someday, but it'll take a lot more than DNA evidence or rumors among frat boys.

One source of DNA is found under the fingernails of the victims, who may scratch skin, hair or blood off of the attacker as they attempt to defend themselves.

They must have dragged at least some minuscule drops of blood out of the house on their feet etc if the scene was as blood soaked as LE said. Maybe a partial foot print etc.

Regarding dna samples inna party house, I think there is a way of knowing who can be excluded etc/ how broken down the dna samples are when older etc.

But if it is fresh blood spatter you are going to get lots of victim dna specifically in the blood and any co mingled dna but older dna of someone there for a party the week before is not going to show up in the blood spatter. They have some ways around that as it would be true in many crime scenes within homes or even public spaces/ out door areas.

In a not inna ^* A few typos due to sleepiness

“Typically, in cases I've worked with stabbings, if someone stabs enough times, the knife almost always slips," Moore, who has helped solve more than 200 cold cases with Parabon Labs, said. "You almost always get the perpetrator's DNA mixed in with the victim's DNA."

[quote]r499 One of the 2 guys that the 4chan bros were indicating might have been in on these killings has subsequently, publicly, demonstrated that he had an air-tight alibi for his whereabouts throughout the night

WE at DL decide upon a suspect’s culpability. Not the police, not the courts, not documentation.

WE decide what’s airtight. Be it multiple holes, or innocence.

Don’t let society oppress us!

He announced this on Twitter that he had an airtight alibi? Did he elaborate? I haven’t read anything about that in fact have been reading a lot of current stuff still supporting the 2 frat brothers being likely suspects

Is there a link? Not asking as a challenge. I’d just like to read more.

Seeing the witch-hunt play out publicly and online has been fascinating. It seems like the mob finds a new suspect and warms full force. It’s a little scary. Surely not all of them are the killer.

Or are they?

This guy (a neighbour) Inan Harsh, is talking to anyone who will listen. He’s strange and in an interview on YouTube comes off to me as probably a little aspbergers or something. He says he’s a hermit but seems to crave the spotlight. He’s aroused suspicion of some retired fbi homicide investigators who have been hanging around in Moscow and running YouTube channels. While displaying attention seeking behaviours, I am wary of zeroing in on him too much because he obviously has issues and might be getting singled out and having his buttons pushed now by these sleuth YouTube types, creating the suspicion.

In Canada, a guy with schizophrenia IIRC was put away for years in the disappearance and death of a young girl called Christine Jessup. Everyone, including the courts, were certain. He also made weird comments and aroused suspicion. He was later exonerated decades later. The real killer was the son of a business associate of the girl’s father. I guess dna will make the difference though in these situations.

I will admit that I have not read what I am attaching yet (you’ll see why when you scroll through it lol. He went on Reddit and did. An “ask me anything” The length of it alone makes him seem crackers. I heard about this via a YouTube interview he did. I don’t normally read reddit.

We’re approaching part 7 there’s still hope

Yeah… I would just love to spend time at a place which had a mass murderer on the loose!

That was for r540.

This thing where they think you can hear a scream on tape is just insane. And can someone boot that Court TV nutcase Vinny Politan off the air already? Ashleigh Banfield is also embarrassing. Nancy Grace started that screaming at viewers shtick to drive home how outrage they are at reports. These people talk to viewers like they’re children and feign concern like no tomorrow.

Not if the perp was wearing thick electrician's gloves, r559.

I once bought special kitchen gloves to wear when using my mandolin so that I didn’t slice off any finger tips. They were two bulky to wear for that slicing, but I’m sure would work great for stabbing.

Ive read about 1/2 of the Reddit thing. How much do you want to bet that Inan guy is the local drug dealer to everyone in that area. Why else is a 30 year old who has been in jail twice for drugs, admits he was a dealer and seems to be a career drug seller.

So with that I believe he has been inside their homes too. This guy is probably a suspect.

And of course he’s a chef with experience with knives. And was at home at the time of the murders just across the street.

Boom! Prime suspect.

R572, who?

Where did he say that he was a dealer and good with knives?

I got ripped to shreds in thread one or two for suggesting a local restaurant cook, R572. Did he work at the restaurant the girls waited tables at?

r564 Jessop, not Jessup.

I’m not sure r574. He said in an interview that he worked at the resto with people who knew them though.

He has changed his stories many times in interviews. Saying he went to sleep heard nothing. Then he was awake and may have heard a scream. May have seen an Elantra but not sure.

He has not indicated he is off drugs now.

He says now had a cellmake in for 35 years who broke into a house

Says he med mad sue Ethan and Cana when he went to “offer them a 1/2 finished bottle of wine on their patio”

He writes in Reddit 8 paragraphs about himself but gets cagey about any of the Reddit questions (which are surprisingly good) that ask him details related to that night. Just doesn’t answer most. On his “ask me anything”.

The good news is since he is a felon, he will already be in the dna database.

The will try to link the areas where reporters have interviewed him. He started talking to the media pretty early on and has not shut up. And keeps changing his story. I thought he was just a little off and was being used by media but know knowing (via his own admissions) he’s a drug dealer has been in jail several times. Uses just about everything and lives write in that Sentra area among students. It seems pretty clear he deals in that area.

I even wonder if the Hyundai thing is just a false flag by the police.

His As ma anything linked above is insane and long and grandiose but try and read it. And the comments below. Also Reddit locked the thread but did not delete it. They claim they locked it due to “a shortage of mods”.

Ask me anything ^

To finish my part above abou the cell make in for 35 years. Broke into a house because of drugs and then killed them all because someone woke up.

Also he points out that “nothing was stolen” in the Moscow killings. But I don’t know if police have actually released that detail. They said it was no sexual assault but did not mention if anything was taken, to my knowledge. Correct me if I am wrong though.

R577 sounds like an attention seeking creep to me. When something like this happens, don't you figure a lot of people feel jealous of the killer? Maybe he gets a kick out of being suspected.

What about the white high-yoon-day?

[quote]Maybe he gets a kick out of being suspected

He loves it. Just look at what he posts in response to comments on his TikTok. He also started a YouTube in December and immediately posted a short of his knife skills. And then there’s the Patreon, his offer of public appearances and bartering, and I think at one point he even said he was going to start selling t-shirts.

4Chan Politically Incorrect "Idaho Sliced Roast Beef" has posted 2 photos from elsewhere on the internet including a closed FB group. LE already has images.

1) Neighbor's cam picture of a large man walking in the woods behind the "murder house" wearing a full face covering and gloves.

2) An enhanced picture of the driver of a White Alantra by a specialty photographer who was able to enlargen the blurry image.

Of course we don't know if these photos are red herrings or directly relelvant to the casen.

Debate on 4Chan if KayLee was pregnant and by whom. She and Maddy worked as waitresses at a local bar/restaurant and were being paid well to create and handle the company's social media accounts. KayLee got a job transfer to TX and had a roommate lined up as well as an apartment for the next 6 months. Cannot 100% verify any of the above information.

Possibly r581. There are some of these murderers also want the fame and in a twisted way attention for their murders. If

He’s been chatting it up since the murders and has never been ruled out despite suspicion. He changes his story quite a bit about time and what he was doing at the time of the murders. He’s a converted felon, drug dealer and addict. Says he’s a hermit who keeps to himself yet seems to crave attention. Skilled with knives. Talks only about Kaylee in the Reddit stuff and other postings. Says very odd things. Honestly it could go either way. Time and dna will tell. They are for sure going to have to keep looking at him to rule him out. Here is an interview from 6 days ago. Wants to know how many likes the stories about hearing screams are getting. I will attach an interview from 6 or 7 days ago. It has aroused suspicion of a former fbi expert guy who said they spoke to the interviewer and there is some agreement that some of his behaviours in the interview are “off” and they spoke to the FBI on the case and explained their concerns (they didn’t elaborate on what the behaviours are that find stood out to them) and brought the video to their attention. Though I’m sure they are already watching him though.

I guess time and DNA will tell. .

^ convicted felon*

For your consideration: Inan Harsh's crack and mangy pubes.

Omg r587 🙀

^^Excuse me!! Excuse me!! I think those are my fire batons!

Lol r589

Can anyone say for certain that the police advised that nothing was stolen from the house that night? I don’t think they released that. I know it was not an actual robbery and murder was the aim but this guy said in the interview that “nothing was stolen.”

I don’t believe the police confirmed that because how would they even know if the perp took underwear from a drawer or some other trophy. Also isn’t that usually something they hold back on in these situations? I just don’t think police said nothing was stolen so for this guy to say “nothing was stolen” irks me a little.I thought they only confirmed there was no sexual assault. If I’m incorrect about this please let me know.

I don't believe the cops said nothing was stolen.

So fascinated by this revolving door of suspects. And I’m all into it. Now the frat brothers thing seems less likely. But on the other thing this guy could just be an attention seeking nuisance. Cops have their work cut out for them.

Reddit and 4chan have buried websleuths.com as this case progresses. People are tired of sanctimonious webboards, and websleuths reminds me of the true crime version of TWOP.

As far as "nothing was stolen", well... what do they have worth stealing? Self-tanning lotion? 4 cans of Natty Light? , Maddies Chromebook??

Dope?

I'm going to declare the frat bois innocent. They are the complete opposite of a "loner", and that's who obviously did this.

I doubt the downstairs girls would have told the police if there was a stockpile of drugs that were missing. Or a stockpile of guns.

Jonathan Lee Riches is on the case? Hell yeah!

Link to part 7, once this thread fills out

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