I have high hopes for the Whitney Houston movie

It will be a white wash. The depths she sunk to were horrific. The poop thing is a brief example. She was also nowhere close to the nice girl her fans make her out to be. She knew when to turn it on and knew what to say to garner a certain image. We’ll never know the true Whitney.

The lesbian parts would be a fresh take, but we've seen the drugged diva thing play out in real time. She had a prettier voice than most of her contemporaries, I'll give her that much.

Hate to break it to you, OP, but the movie was a total let down. I saw an advanced screening of it today and although the actress who played Whitney was fantastic (she came in afterward for a Q&A), the screenplay was dreadful, the other actors were very underwhelming and Clive Davis had way too much input into the production. Tucci is a great actor, but he was severely constrained from giving a memorable performance because Clive has to whitewash and sanitize his image, removing any sort of edge based on who he really is. It also just came across as a movie laying out her career highlights, without any sort of character development or moments for the actors to develop chemistry on screen. It's not an Oscar bait movie by any stretch of the imagination, but I expect Naomi will get a Golden Globe nod in the Best Actress Musical or Comedy category.

They make a point of showing Whitney look back at Robyn before her lipsync performance.

Thanks, r3.

I watched about twenty minutes of "Beauty." I think it's Lena Waithe's biopic of Whintey (though she's called Beauty in the movie). Have you seen that one?

How is Robyn portrayed?

R6 Sorry just saw this now. Clingy, but an anchor for Whitney. There was some scenes to establish a romantic relationship, but it was so rushed and felt forced.

From the clip, the lead is a bit long in the tooth (literally) to play pretty Whitney Houston.

I hope Robyn's book is adapted into a miniseries.

Angela Bassett was prettier than Tina Turner but no one complained about that...

Why did Clive Davis have so much input? Biopics always glorify the subjects though just like with the Elvis one. I guess we need to wait for most of the immediate family and colleagues to be dead in order to get more impartial ones. I can't imagine a Prince biopic and I hope it never happens.

It's acceptable for a more attractive person to portray a less attractive one. It's not plausible the other way around. I don't make the rules, I just keep score.

R8 I don't think she looks like Whitney. I'm surprised Rihanna didn't get the role because she expressed interest. Not that she could act or look like Whitney either but they do like to cast celebs in these roles.

But they haven't cast a celeb, so...

Whitney sometimes looked quite matronly in her youth.

They never cast a woman as beautiful as Robyn to portray Ms. Crawford.

80s fashion and makeup plus church wigs made her seem older. Unlike Janet and Madonna, she didn't adapt to 90s and 2000s fashion trends.

Not quite true. The My Love Is Your Love era showed adaptation.

R18 That comeback was too short. She looked great. Her most critically acclaimed album too.. it didn't last sadly.

Gawd, there exists no photo on earth where Robyn Crawford doesn't look super dykey, is there?

I assume Clive Davis controls the use of Whitney's recordings and I doubt there would be a movie without them.

The wigs and clothing are accurate.

The actress' eyes look kinda like Whitney but overall she doesn't look like her, and while she's pretty, she's radiating the same type of beauty Whitney did.

Actually, the actress is really pretty as herself. Just saw this pic of her

Apparently, the same company that controls ONJ's recordings (Primary Wave) are handling Whitney's musical affairs. I guess some of the songs have been claimed by Whitney's estate.

Her own styling suits her better, indeed.

OP, I believe it was referred to as a ‘doodie bubble’ that Bobby used his finger to dislodge.

Dookie bubble, not doodie.

Any scenes of her and Robin licking each other's punani?

I'll see that way before I see Smurfs Waterworld.

For sheer storytelling power it would be hard to top the documentary “Whitney: Can I Be Me.”’

Whitney was photogenic, charismatic and a powerful performer, and I think that was her beauty. Without the stage glamour she looked like an ordinary young lesbian.

Whitney did have some awful church lady wigs. She did look 40.

Lesson is, don't do drugs.

The Brit Chick who plays Whitney is super annoying...I think I will pass. This movie feels like Oscar Bait--which I tend to not fall for.

I always thought it was so odd that Whitney the sophisticated singer, songstress, artist and performer was the opposite of who she was privately. I don't think you can fake sophistication, it was definitely a part of who she was. Maybe the drugs changed her, and obviously most her family members were trashy chuch hypocrites, so that didn't help.

If she had grown up in a family with Diana Ross being her mother, I don't think she would have ended the way she did.

The thing about Whitney was she didn't write her music. That is why her net worth is far less from Michael Jacksons or Prince.

This girl looks nothing like Whitney, and the fake teeth are distractingly bad. Shocked this is the best they could find.

And her wigs are terrible!

That's versimillitude, then.

I really liked Eve's Bayou, but in the 25 years since, Kasi Lemmons has not even made sorta-good movies. Harriet a few years ago was risible.

Eve's Bayou must have been a fluke because Lemmons' films since then have sucked. The Whitney movie suffers the same problem as the Harriet film - it's basically a Wikipedia page on film. There is no insight into either Harriet Tubman or Whitney Houston.

Stanley Tucci was great as Clive Davis, and Tamara Tunie could have done something really good with Cissy Houston, but the script was shit.

"IIIIffff I ah I ah I ah I ay sho-uuuuld sta-ay ah ay ah ay ah ay, I would only be in your wayyyyyy ah eeeeeee."

A Cissy Houston biopic might be really interesting. The churchyness mixed with fucking her pastor (and using her kid and his kid as cover for the adults' "dates"). Working with gay people (Estelle Brown, Luther Vandross, her fucking small group of fans...) but being unaccepting of the same in her offspring (Hello Cher!). Gospel royalty (The Drinkards) while having a child that wasn't her husband's (Gary Garland). Contradiction upon contradiction.

Cissy whored out her dyke daughter. Cissy is now 89, adrift in dementia. Karma baby !

I saw the movie last night. Too whitewashed, too long. It was as much a kiss ass to Clive as it was a story about the lesbian !

Pity the movie was not directed by John Waters and filmed in Odorama.

Did Clive have male love interests in the movie?

R44 one very quick reference

How many bio pics have there been of Whitney??? I can’t watch yet another.

Why does this look like it was filmed by Jerry Bruckheimer for Lifetime?

Saw the actress playing Whitney on Graham Norton and they showed a clip, the movie looks bad and the actress is a horrible lip syncer.

Calling it now- lower your expectations.

I can't believe they didn't do 'diversity casting' for this movie. Why didn't they cast Rene Zellweger to play Whitney Houston ? Why didn't they cast Sandra Oh to play Robyn Crawford ? Why not Catherine Zeta Jones as Cissy Houston ? I need to get in touch with Sunny Houston and see if she will be willing to discuss this on 'The View'. She's a big proponent of 'color blind casting'.

Harriet wasn't "risible" at all. You all have shit for taste

There have only been two Whintey movies, one for Lifetime directed by Angela Bassett and one from this year. There has also been a Bobby Brown TV movie. Was Whitney featured in the New Edition TV movie?

it's a jukebox movie musical

Is it? The songs are performed in full?

Her life became a fucking mess because she was so talented. My God she could sing. I'm very glad she didn't live to see her Daughter die. I wonder if that POS who killed BK, also killed Whitney? Tragedy all the way around. Her Mother seemed like a cunt too.

[Quote] There have only been two Whintey movies, one for Lifetime directed by Angela Bassett and one from this year. There has also been a Bobby Brown TV movie. Was Whitney featured in the New Edition TV movie?

There have also been a few documentaries

Whitney looked pretty dykey before Clive Davis made her get a makeover.

I don't know why you would have high hopes, the commercials made it looks like lowbrow Lifetime movie crap. That's really the case with most biopics.

[quote]I always thought it was so odd that Whitney the sophisticated singer, songstress, artist and performer was the opposite of who she was privately. I don't think you can fake sophistication, it was definitely a part of who she was.

Whitney grew up middle class in Jersey. If you look at pics of the Houston house when she was a teenager, it was a standard middle-class home. Cissy was a very in demand background singer, but that did not bring in a huge cash flow. She tried a solo career, but couldn't get a hit outside of the dance charts and gay clubs.

And yet, Cissy disliked gays apparently.

Saw it last night. Enjoyed it but it races through too much, too quickly. So there's little to no depth and it's all surface, where the audience puts their own meaning to a facial expression rather than the audience understanding any inner turmoil that was there. Why did she become an addict? Was she thankful she went to rehab? Did she make an honest attempt to stay clean after? Did she love Robin and was she agonized by the forced split? Was Bobby a real love or her way of getting an authentic Black audience approval? You never get those answers because it moves through everything so quickly. The actress is phenomenal and the poster who said she's an awful lip syncher knows nothing. She puts her entire body into every note and is fully believable. She's far, far better than the movie itself and deserved a deeper script.

R55 Yes

This is just another run-of-the-mill, dramatically limp music biopic meant to be pure brand management. There are so many scenes of Naomi Ackie lip-synching full performances of these songs, and all you can say is, "Yeah, Whitney Houston was such a great singer." I don't need this movie to know that. I can just stay home and listen to her, which is an infinitely more rewarding experience. -Slashfilm

Whitney's family and Clive Davis were heavily involved in the film, it's mostly brand management (as r63 said) and a cash grab for royalties on Whitney's music.

Biopics are either on the level of Mommie Dearest or on the level of a lifetime movie. This movie definitely looks the latter.

Stanley Tucci was good but it's not a very good film.

Kasi Lemmons started off so great with Eve's Bayou but she has not made a good film since, including Harriet.

Does this movie depict Whitney getting booed at the Soul Train awards because of Clive Davis forcing her to record middle of the road adult contemporary pop white crossover commercial songs?

Never understood why she was booed yet Lionel Richie, Michael Jackson, Anita Baker, Peabo Bryson, Dionne Warwick and Natalie Cole and others were not. Many black artists in the 1980s were making pop music for white suburbites. Whitney's first album was R&B sounding too.

Same here r68. All of the other artists you mentioned were making pop/adult contemporary music in the 80s that was in the same style as Whitney's music. I've never understood why Whitney was singled out and got shit for not being "black enough" when so many other black artists were doing the same kind of music she was doing.

Because she was huge and in your face constantly, she was inescapable from 85-94

Whitney was also very attractive, young and stylish and fit the MTV aesthetic. While the other AC singers were older and seemed more like your parents.

I think a lot of it was due to Whitney simply being overexposed. She had hit after hit since 1985. She was everywhere from 1985-1987. I remember when Alanis Morissette won an award in Canada for Jagged Little Pill, people booed her. I think overexposure can lead to backlash. Whitney's second album was more pop than her first but she still had a strong R&B flavour on her second album.

Black people love Whitney and nowadays you could never say a bad word about her singing.

They make that Soul Train moment so traumatic but it didn't haunt her.

[quote] Because she was huge and in your face constantly, she was inescapable from 85-94

Right, versus Michael Jackson who was so discreet.

Michael Jackson was a media attention whore. The definition of a narcissist. He claimed the press was bullying him but he was the one trying to catch their attention. Nobody told him to parade around a pet monkey, build amusement parks in his backyard, get awful plastic surgery and completely bleach his skin and hang out with the kid from Home Alone and have slumber parties. Madonna took notes from MJ on how to be a media whore.

Whitney just made her music and went home.

Michael Jackson was obnoxious with his media presence. The whole "King of Pop" was something he cultivated and expected to be called. As said above, he claimed bullying, but he would make sure to pull the strings to get attention on him. And his ludicrous advertisements for his own albums painted him as some Messiah. Thank God Jarvis Cocker stormed the stage to distract from MJ's narcissism.

So why did she self destruct? Was it just drugs and Brown or was it internalised homophobia? Has anyone thought of that? That she did drugs and self destructed because she was conflicted about her sexuality?

R76, I think it was all of that combined with the fact that some people cannot handle fame. I think Whitney is actually a very shy person who probably hated intervieews (based on her attitude) and just wanted to be left alone. I know The Bodyguard Era was a lot for her. It made her into a global superstar on the level of Madonna and Michael (whereas before, she was seen as big but not quite on their level globally). She said that before that, she could walk into a mall or other places in random America and sometimes go unnoticed but that all changed with The Bodyguard.

I think her family had a lot to do with her downfall. She did drugs long before Bobby Brown came into her life. Cissy Houston always seemed like cold mother to me. There is also a lot of hypocrisy in that type of religious upbringing. I don't think she had a lot of people around her who she genuinely could trust and who had her best interests at heart. Once Robyn left, it was all drugs, toxic churchies, hangers on and grifters. And she wasn't smart enough to see the problem and brake away from the bad people she was surrounding herself with. Robyn leaving her was the beginning of the end. Either you make a choice and clean up or you don't.

Michael Jackson's music initially was more black than Whitney's. Quincy Jones produced some great music for him.

I think Whitney was the classic case of her wanting the perks and money that went along with fame but wanting fame on her own terms which can never happen. You can never choose where to go and just be anonymous. You're famous everywhere. And she was a global superstar so she couldn't be anonymous.

Plus marrying Bobby Brown only increased her fame.

She hung out with Kim Burrell before she died. She picked up the worst people to be friends with. She just wouldn't or couldn't shake her toxic religious upbringing.

That is true r81. I loved Whitney but people treated her as if she was some fragile piece of glass. She was a grown adult who made her own choices and she chose to hang out with people like Kim and Ray J.

It's so weird to think that boy she let live in her house ended up dating her daughter and then was accused of killing her (a final autopsy report revealed she died of pneumonia).

The whole Houston clan is grifting trash. If Whitney had lived, she would have ended up like her mother. She just couldn't shake her upbringing.

[quote]They make that Soul Train moment so traumatic but it didn't haunt her.

It bothered her enough at the time that she was insistent that her next album be more tailored towards the R and B market.

Several artists were getting flak at that time. George Michael was another one who got a lot of shit from the press and some of his peers because he was winning R and B awards over black artists. Interestingly, it was Dionne Warwick who was one of Michael's loudest critics. Wonder how she felt about Whitney getting similar treatment?

Dionne didn't even like Barbra making that disco song with Donna Summer. She recently said Barbra shoudl have "stayed in her lane".

Her music was very 'white' initially, Clive Davis made sure her records would sell and that meant white audiences would buy them. I really didn't care for Whitney Houston on record, her live performances were an entirely different subject though. That's where her talent, not just as a singer, but also as a musical artist and performer came through.

I'm Your Baby Tonight was definitely a response to the Soul Train moment and criticism of being too pop. But it's probably one of her lesser albums. Aside from the title track and All the Man That I Need, there were not enough big songs for Whitney. My Love is Your Love is a much better R&B-leaning album. Better songs and you could tell Whitney truly connected with those songs.

I think one of the reasons The Bodyguard was so successful is that it showed Whitney navigating all of these genres (R&B, pop, gospel, dance) with ease.

Lover for Life is another strong track from I'm Your Baby Tonight. Whitney missed an opportunity to try AOR music. She definitely could have sung hard rock or blues.

[quote] She definitely could have sung hard rock

No

[quote] or blues.

That is more believable than the former, even though her voice lacks grit.

I think her voice was polished for the music she sang. I always felt she held herself back and could get more emotive and grittier. She could have excelled in other genres. "So Emotional" is a pop rock sounding song and she did well with it. Who's to say she couldn't do AOR? I think she had the versatility. "Saving All My Love For You" was quiet storm with some jazz element. I think she could have done an album of jazz standards too. Overall wasted potential.

Michael Jackson’s Off the Wall was very R&B flavored which gave him a pass with black audiences

Jackson worked with Quincy Jones for his three big albums and had material specifically written for him. Whitney had mainly white songwriters before Babyface and did cover songs.

I always thought she should have done an album or a tour/concert with Prince during his FunknRoll phase. He loved working with women and he loved the great vocalists. Yes, I agree, WH could have done rock music. She had an edgy and rough side to her, that occasionally come out.

Whitney’s voice was perfect for pop ballads. Forcing her into R&B was stupid

I just saw it. The movie is about 30-40 minutes too long and the best parts are all in the beginning: Whitney with her family, Whitney moving in with Robyn, and Whitney getting discovered. After that, it becomes a fairly paint by numbers story that checks off all the boxes of Whitney's career highlights without saying much of anything new or interesting about them. I was impressed by how upfront the movie was about Whitney's relationship with Robyn but, once she meets Bobby, Robyn kind of fades into the background and the movie never really addresses the complexities of Whitney's continuing relationship with her. The movie also introduces some issues with Whitney's dad (personal and financial), but they're not explored with any real depth either. The same goes for Whitney's drug addiction and its impact on her singing voice, all of which is kind of rushed through so the movie can conclude with a final flashback of Whitney singing triumphantly at the '94 AMAs. As far as the acting, I thought Naomi Ackie was good (despite looking nothing like Whitney) and Tamara Tunie and Clarke Peters were good as Cissy and John Houston. The actor playing Bobby, though, looks nothing like Bobby, reads as way too young on screen, and seemed totally miscast in my opinion.

Really heartbreaking vid of her doing coke and you can see what an extraordinary gift and charisma she had and lost to drugs.

I agree she has a compelling story. Sounds like this isn't the movie.

How is Cissy portrait? Any criticism about her being a nasty POS? That the family was full of grifters?

Cissy is portrayed as a perfectionist who tries to micromanage a lot of Whitney's early performances and image. She's not shown as supportive of the relationship with Robyn, but nothing explicitly homophobic or even religious is ever said by her either. John is portrayed as more supportive of the relationship with Robyn, but he also tells Whitney she can do what she wants in private as long as dates men in public and maintains her princess image. Weirdly, neither is ever really shown having an opinion about Bobby and most of the concern about Whitney's drug use in the movie comes from Clive Davis (excellently played by Stanley Tucci.) John is shown as a womanizer and a grifter, though, and his final interaction with Whitney is her basically walking out of his life.

100!

Can’t hope high when the ending was in a bath tub.

R40 is the weird Cher is a homophobe troll because she was upset that Chaz came out to everyone else before her. They made up like a week later after their fight, but R40 has an odd obsession with trying to prove Cher is homophobic.

OP this flick got the worst movie review that I have EVER read (from the Times of London) a couple of weeks ago. It was so bad that I had to keep re-reading it as comedy.

I’d see it for that alone.

Too soon! It’s TOO SOON!

Why- her life is a cautionary tale at best: great talent destroyed and wasted and ultimately death: addiction. She never progressed as an artist beyond pop and the occasional one off using her great talent (e.g. Super Bowl) to let us know what could be.

Her first two albums were largely produced by Narada Michael Walden and Michael Masser. Walden is black but Masser worked with a number of black artists before Whitney including Diana Ross, George Benson, Roberta Flack, Dionne Warwick, Geoffrey Osborne, and Teddy Pendergrass.

Her first big hit was written by a black woman and produced by a black man (LaLa and Kashif) and was a perfect blend of pop, r&b, and AC.

She was having out with Kim Burrell and mega grifter Pebbles towards the end and that had to have fucked with her head more.

I don’t think Clive had enough confidence in her picking her songs. The “I’m your baby tonight” album was a all over the place and the album ran out of steam much faster than her first two.

Dionne’s pissed Babs got a number one hit with no more tears. Besides I think a part of doing the duet was impressing her son Jason who told her Donna summer and The Bee Gees were his favorite group and singers.

[quote]She never progressed as an artist beyond pop.

Apart, maybe from her first two albums, she was never a straight pop artist, esp not in concert. She was always an excellent musical interpreter and the producers who worked with her always said she didn't need to be told how to sing a song. I actually can't think of many black artists who possessed the brilliance, the subtlety and nuance and the sophistication as Whitney Houston did. Many people have amazing voices, Chaka, Aretha, her mother Cissy, but only very few have the talent to make a song come alive like WH did. She was very unique in that.

So, saying the never developed beyond pop, is pretty ridiculous.

Thanks R96, seems like Cissy really wanted it to be understood that Whitney was her creation. The 'I made her' quote, I thought was really a cruel thing to say by a mother to her daughter. And leaving out all the hypocritical church stuff, which I'm sure was a MAJOR influence in WH's life and something she refused to shake or grow above.

R76 it was stage-fright. Here in the video you can see hear sweating because she is unsure whether her powerful gospel voice will sound just as good with pop or not. That's why she switches so often to falsetto. Maybe she thought that if she'd take a little cocaine, the stage-fright will be gone too the next time she performs? I guess that's what happened because after that performance, her singing became more and more agressive. I blame it on the coke and it got out of control.

Cissy was an overly critical bitch who was insanely jealous of Whitney and read her for shit every chance she got. She was the white Agnes Carpenter.

Karen and Whitney should've both told their mothers to go fuck themselves in hell and lived their own lives, independent of the fire-breathing dragon cunts.

OMG Cissy was the BLACK Agnes Carpenter.

Say what you want about Madonna, but she recognized her family was toxic and always kept them at arm's length. They were pissed and resentful, but she didn't give a shit.

In fact, this is what therapists recommend today, but back then it was an anomaly. Madonna was ahead of her time.

She didn't sound insecure and to me R109. Very much secure about her abilities and what she could do and then did with this song. She was such a talent and amazing songstress!

Never seen that one, thanks for posting this.

I've never heard of Whitney having stage fright. But Mariah did.

yeah r112, madonna is a total bastion of mental hygiene and wellness

She was only a bland pop artist on records. She was a jazz/R&B/gospel goddess in concert.

The way she could twist her pop songs into extraordinary moments in concert showed her genius. I was stunned listening to her in concert. I never knew she was capable of that

R97, where is she doing cocaine in that video, when her back is to the audience?? Would she really do it so publicly?

r112 save it for someone who gives a shit like the other madonna threads you contribute to bitch ass.

i'm not gonna see it because i heard it drags on and on and on with the lip synched performances. a whitney fan even said it was way too long and made him wanna say shut up to the screen.

I haven’t seen it yet, but the screen writer is known for doing Wikipedia-sourced versions of the bio pics and plays he’s written.

There could be a compelling Whitney Houston biography, whether it be book, film or play, one that focuses on how commercial (via Clive Davis) and family/societal pressures (via Cissy, family membes and the church) pushed Whitney to compromise herself as a singer and a woman and how she escaped into drug abuse to deal, but sounds like this movie isn't the one to do this. Not a surprise given the involvement of the Houston family/estate and Clive Davis. Also, it would be interesting what role her fanbase played in her artistic compromises. That last album and tour--her voice was ravaged and in no shape to be singing those big faux inspirational ballads that made her such a commercial success. Would her fans accepted it if she had done a raw blues album or material that late period Billie Holliday did?

[quote]Would her fans accepted it if she had done a raw blues album or material that late period Billie Holliday did?

No. That style of music was never going to come back into the mainstream.

Cissy told Oprah on national television that she would've hated Whitney being gay. Just imagine what she was like in private.

[quote] I'm Your Baby Tonight was definitely a response to the Soul Train moment and criticism of being too pop.

Yes. The look she gives sitting on the motorcycle on the album cover says "Is this black enough for you?"

[quote] But it's probably one of her lesser albums. Aside from the title track and All the Man That I Need, there were not enough big songs for Whitney. My Love is Your Love is a much better R&B-leaning album. Better songs and you could tell Whitney truly connected with those songs.

I disagree. I think I'm Your Baby Tonight is her second best album after her debut and underrated. They made the mistake of picking that shitty Miracle song for a single. As someone said upthread, Lover for Life was a great song and should've been a single. Who Do You Love, I Belong To You and the horribly omitted Dancin' on a Smooth Edge were great too and could've all been singles. I'm surprised My Name Is Not Susan didn't fare better on the charts.

Cissy is such a nasty person. Jealous of Whitney because Whitney was beautiful, had an incredible voice to go along with her model looks and charisma. Cissy had none of those qualities.

And Cissy was simply another grifter and hanger on.

Cissy never had a big career or hit records and she was very jealous of Whitney. She was a nasty piece of work.

Releasing the Star Spangled Banner as a single was a huge mistake and killed momentum for I'm Your Baby Tonight.

R112, R110, Good for Madonna and thank you for your post .

Those of you who haven't bcome from religous backgrounds don't realize the total mind control squashing independent thought even if it's in a more healthy direction. You're told from Day-1 that your whole purpose in life is to give praise to your parents who sacrificed so much to provide the basics for you. "Honor thy Father and Mother." can result in emotional manipulation.

When coke 1st came on the scene it was viewed as a fun party drug, comparable to pot use today. Got you high and loose but didn't have the calories and the resulting weight gain)of drinking lots of alcohol.

Took awhile for the destructive aspect of coke to be widely publicized.

R58 For a moment I thought that was Sugar Ray Leonard.

Her TV show with Bobby Brown showed that not only was Whitney truly Black, she was ghetto

The Whitney Houston story really needs a miniseries treatment. Maybe on FX or HBO Max or something.

Whitney's family had no love for Robyn, they barely tolerated her. Both Whitney documentaries made this clear. Whitney's two idiot brothers were open in their disdain for her, and there's footage of Cissy being very tense with Robyn.

Explanation of why so many of the greatest singers/musicians are lesbian or at least bisexual?

Really oracle r129?

R41 She was bi

R61 It's not apparently. She said on Oprah that she would disown her daughter if she was gay.

R134 Like who?

Anyone believes Robyn that they ended their romance in 1983? Cause there are stories of people seeing them being intimate in the mid and late 80s.

And is Eddie Murphy in this movie? They dated before she got with Bobby.

[Quote] The Whitney Houston story really needs a miniseries treatment. Maybe on FX or HBO Max or something.

The world is over Whitney bios at this point

Does the film show Whitney and Robyn eating each others boxes?

[quote]Does the film show Whitney and Robyn eating each others boxes?

The greatest munch of all.....

Is happening to me.......

I want to slurp with somebody!

Saving all my pussy juice for you

You give good muff

I will always lick you

"Whitney Houston biopic is a travesty" declares the NY Post.

I went with my grandma and we walked out because of the graphic lesbian sex

I like the movie she made with Barbra.

R147, funny but not true.

It’s the Clive Davis cocksucking scenes that made my granny want to leave but grandpa insisted we stay.

did the scene involve BBC R149?

R107- she didn’t! That’s why. She could barely sustain a 20 song set- she did not record the great American song writers almost at all. She did not delve into other genre like Streisand and Aretha. Occasionally she did a one off like the Super Bowl. By age 45 she really couldn’t physically sustain her voice. A great talent who mined about 25% of the possibilities. By the way, no one told Aretha or Barbra or Ella etc how to sing a song.

Shit flick

Whitney did sing some interesting medleys live like songs from Dreamgirls and Porgy &Bess.

The reason she didn’t cut and albums of standards is because no one was listening to standards. The elder audience might buy an album of Bway tunes from Barbra but not Whitney

[Quote] she did not record the great American song writers almost at all. She did not delve into other genre like Streisand and Aretha.

Whitney was at her height nearly a generation after the heights of Babs and Aretha. They sang in a different time

Linda Ronstadt did an album of standards (which was excellent) but it basically stopped her career momentum. By the 1980s there wasn't a large enough audience for a standards album. And Whitney was such a cash cow and such a huge star Clive Davis never would've let her do a standards album even if she had wanted to. She was far too much of a best-selling pop singer to waver from the pop formula.

High hopes indeed, you sly shit, you.

If Whitney had lived and her voice intact, this would be the time Whitney would have tried a standards album

That was my first thought when I saw that scene, R68. Whitney was booed but Michael Jackson wasn't? Was Whitney's music any whiter than "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" or "Man in the Mirror"? And Whitney lightened her hair, but MJ lightened his frigging SKIN (even though it's generally easier to treat vitiligo by darkening the white patches, not the other way around).

Did it really thought r155? She did 3 standards/jazz albums all went platinum then followed up with Canciones de Mi Padre, Cry Like a Rainstorm, Howl Like the Wind and the Parton/Harris Trio album, which were all successes.

r159 her pop career was over and she kind of receded from the spotlight. Not that she cared, of course. She wasn't in it for the fame but people on this thread were just saying that standards albums weren't huge mainstream things by the 80s.

Whitney didn’t even release a Christmas album until very late in her career—which is especially odd because holiday albums sell really well

The actress who plays her is nowhere near as pretty. She looks like a frog.

I just saw this tonight, and while I enjoyed the performances, I don’t think I got to know Whitney Houston any better.

I was sad they didn't include "Crack is whack!" and "Show me the receipts, Diane. Show me the receipts."

I was disappointed they didn't include her radio meltdown with Wendy Williams.

PS She looked so much like Wendy, it was almost hard to concentrate.

R97 She’s not doing coke in the video. She’s hydrating and wiping the sweat off her face.

With her last tour, “I Will Always Love You” was the finale and they did this silly build up where she took a break and drank water and hydrated herself to belt out the last part of the song. It always went wrong.