Why was/is Madonna never considered to be a great beauty?

Because she went through so many looks. Which look in particular should we address OP? How about a pic

She's not

Cuz she really is ugly? (and looks like a slut)

Envy

So many reasons.

The ugly gap in her front teeth, her unplucked eyebrows, the way she smirks at everyone as if they are trash, when in reality, she is the trashy one. There are many reasons why she's not considered a beauty, and most of them revolve around her ugly attitude.

She can't sing without audio sweetening.

photoshop city. when she controls her stuff it's amazing when another person is in charge she looks awful. example EVERY movie.

Because is not a great beauty or even beautiful. She’s actually pretty ordinary looking- not even striking. Her “look” was and is always the sum of costume and increasingly cosmetic changes.

Madonna was and is one of the most attractive women in the world. If not the most.

Because she's not an attractive person at all.

Good God, OP! Why do you start repetitive threads about the supposed beauty of Madonna? Why do you write that she looks like Ava Gardner and Elizabeth Taylor? She doesn’t. Why are you pathologically obsessed that others should share your opinion that she is the most beautiful? As you say, “just wondering”.

There are enough photos of her when she was young, years before she was famous. With makeup and the freshness of youth, she was still not beautiful. Pretty at most. Her eyes were her best feature. Her nose was meh and her mouth has always been ugly, both before and after the lip fillers. The gap teeth made her look like a hick.

It’s the later work of talented professional hair and makeup artists, stylists, and photographers who gave her the illusion of beauty, glamour, and sophistication. On her own, she’s usually tacky and crude.

Narrative setting thread. Making a statement as if it’s fact to make it seem it’s the prevailing opinion.

She’s has always been considered beautiful. People have said she’s more beautiful in person.

She changed her looks up too much and did not always present herself in the most flattering way.

She looks like a "fresher" version of Vanessa Paradis, gap and all.

A lot of people thought she was beautiful in the 80's - early 90's...

Go look at her high school photos.

She was a pretty and popular cheerleader in high school

John?? ENOUGH!!!! I liked you better when you were asking us about textbooks and talking about your tiger mom and her lesbian lover.

She was gorgeous. Period. 99% thought this.

I don’t agree that she was an uggo. I do agree that she was never beautiful, though. She was pretty average in the looks department. Her sense of style made her stand out in her prime. Now she is a joke.

She projects no warmth or wisdom.

She’s a petulant arrested development case who now looks monstrous.

She was thought of like Elizabeth Taylor was in that they were both considered to be the most beautiful woman in the world in their prime.

Why do you keep making this thread every week. Get a fkin life.

"Because is not a great beauty or even beautiful. She’s actually pretty ordinary looking- not even striking. Her “look” was and is always the sum of costume and increasingly cosmetic changes. "

This. And there's actually nothing wrong with being ordinary looking. If she could have just ran with it. Nobody likes or appreciates altered, nipped, and tucked Madonna any more than when she looked like a normal person in the beginning of her career.

Because she is NOT even remotely close to being beautiful. Never was.

Possibly the dumbest question ever.

...and how will this question be re-hashed next week?

R26, why?

Res Ipsa Loquitur

She was considered most attractive during the early years

She was always beautiful to me, right up until she started fucking up her face.

Being gap-toothed didn’t hurt her looks any more than it hurt Lauren Hutton’s.

There was never anything lacking about her eyes, nose, or mouth.

The seething contempt Dataloungers have for her (an illogical hatred that is not found anywhere else on the internet, FWIW) is preventing a lot of them from evaluating her looks fairly. Yes, I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but a lot of these comments aren’t even about her looks AT ALL, they’re about her personality.

Someone is very screwed up- the Madonna beauty troll.

Even when resembling an ugly dyke like Sandra Bernhardt, Madonna's facial features were always striking to exceptionally beautiful. But cunt on, crones.

R33, how does she resemble Sandra Bernhard?

Because she’s UG-A-LAY.

Not sure

Gap.

Fug.

OP,

She was cute, not beautiful, before she became a fitness freak. She became downright hideous with all the surgery.

Why do some people not like her nose?

R12 he’s an OCD freak refugee from IMDb who was obsessed with Nick Scotti (whoever that even is) and thought he had “the perfect nose.”

Yeah, she was truly horrific looking before she became famous. It must be something else living in such deranged, delusional state.

R42, what else do you remember that i posted about on IMDb?

The derangement to think Madonna wasn’t considered beautiful. JFC some of you (block one and 18 posts disappear FWIW) are just stupid asf.

She could look stunningly gorgeous, and there are thousands of pics where this is evident, and she could look ugly, also thousands of pictures. I think 99% of women look ugly without makeup. But Madonna was very beautiful. She looked beautiful right up until 2016 when she did the Sean Penn fundraiser.

Becuase anyone with a pair of functioning eyes can see she isn't.

R46 The vast majority of people would say Madonna was beautiful. Sorry, cupcake, that is a fact.

R44 trolling questions like: who has the better nose, Elizabeth Taylor or Madonna, or who is prettier, my anus or Madonna? And always with the dead giveaway “just wondering?”

Basically, she was a very Italian looking kind of homely girl with a unibrow who, through the benefit of stylists, peroxide and general airbrushing was able to revamp her image in the vein of classic movie stars and present something that could convince some very gullible people that she was some sort of “beauty.” But really it was an image that would be attainable by any woman who was reasonably attractive who had the same tools at their disposal.

R47 LOL nope she was never seen as a "great beauty". Raise your standards.

R48 and R49 Try as you might the majority of people, by far, would say she was beautiful. Period. You and “well this” “airbrushing” “duh der do” won’t change that fact and you know it. The. People have spoken and she’s considered beautiful.

R50 Nope never once heard anyone call her a great beauty or even beautiful. She never topped any Most Beautiful of All Time lists or was spoken in the way people talk about Elizabeth Taylor or Marilyn Monroe.

The vast majority of people would call her average looking sorry.

She isn't a great beauty and she wasn't popular for being beautiful. Her attitude is what made her popular. Do you really think a truly beautiful woman would need to behave like her? Beautiful women tend to be uptight and boring. Straight men like any woman who is a whore doesn't qualify for beautiful. Madonna looked like that New York Italian girl next door who got all the hot Hispanic boys with her swag. That's why girls liked her, it was her confidence despite her limited talents and average looks. She inspired them by looking like a homegirl and achieving massive success.

R43 She looks like a public school teacher or secretary there. Definitely ordinary and average looking. If she had brown eyes, she wouldn't stick out nearly as much. With good hair and makeup and style she can look pretty like in the video for Like A Prayer.

R51 No one said GREAT beauty you mentally weak freak. The majority of people agree she’s beautiful. Period.

R54 Use of insults show your mental weakness. Talk to me like a grownup and stop using "period." Why are gay men so invested in whether a famous woman is considered beautiful or not? That's a better question.

I've never considered Madonna to be beautiful but I will say that she was a shrewd business woman. Her music is ok.

Speaking of the term "great beauty", is there an even higher level of attractiveness beyond that?

If so, what is it called? Or is great beauty as good it could ever possibly get?

Just curious to know...

R56 You freaks have tired material. She really gets under your skin. You wouldn’t know beauty with your 50 shades of yellow teeth.

I like this.

If Madonna had brown eyes and her natural brown hair. She would not stick out. A lot of pop stars are not beautiful. They are not the same as actresses or models who are often chosen for their beauty. To be a successful pop star you must have a lot of sex appeal and charisma on stage and be athletic and personable too. Pop stars are like porn stars, they are sexually desirable with awesome bodies but not drop-dead gorgeous.

Vadge stans are hilarious. Aging gay queens who usually hate actual beautiful women and think their queen Madonna is the most beautiful just because she looks and acts like a gay man. Debbie Harry was beautiful. Belinda Carlisle was beautiful. Whitney Houston was beautiful. Vanessa Williams was beautiful. Jennifer Connelly was beautiful. Iman was beautiful. Brooke Shields was beautiful. Vanity was beautiful. Ergo Madonna was not.

R61, who do you think looked better: Madonna or Paris Hilton? Just wondering

R62 Madonna would win this because she was always just average and could look pretty in the right clothing and makeup. Paris never looked pretty and she looks like a Barbie now which is only an improvement over her slutty 2000s style.

R61 Is blocked for being an anti-gay maga republican. Block it and behold.

R64 Anti-gay MAGA? Bitch, please. I am gay and I love being gay. I'm just not a Vadge troll who is delusional about her beauty. She is not beautiful and that's okay. Between the Vadge trolls like you and Janbot, DL never fails to make me laugh. Thank you for entertaining me!

R65 has posted 36 times in this thread.

Madonna worked very hard to made more than the most out of her above-average / reasonably pretty Italian-American girl looks - that is her accomplishment, and it’s actually more impressive than her just being a naturally beauty like a Bardot or young Elizabeth Taylor.

M A D O N N A

An almost blank palette that would go on to conquer the music world and change the game for everyone.

And she's been hated for it ever since, especially by fans of other female artists. 40 years later, the same bitter queens and fat fucks are still screaming about her. Who are the mentally ill ones again?

Her fans are just enjoying her music and for who she's always been. The mentally ill, deranged people here are trying to twist the facts to their own liking... how many times have they declared some new fuck face as "the new Madonna". 40 FUCKING YEARS OF THAT ALONE. You're more obsessive than some of her rabid fans. Sad. Like SERIOUSLY sad.

R69 Bingo!

She was never beautiful but she was, for a very long time, very striking and cool looking.

R71 That’s the thing, we all have our own definition of beauty. As has been said, most considered her beautiful. I like your word “striking”. Yes, she was. There are plenty others consider hot or cute (looking at males) that I didn’t concur, but if the majority thought so oh well I disagreed but knew I was in the minority.

I love how some queen on here is telling us what "everyone" thought.

Personally, I think Madonna LOOKED BEAUTIFUL in many photos and videos (but not all)....but as pointed out, that was due to the a mix of attitude, styling, make up, lighting etc.

That is very different than "BEING A GREAT BEAUTY." A truly great beauty wakes up and just looks beautiful naturally.

R73 A nelly fat incel who can’t stand most ppl think Madonna was beautiful. Too funny.

Because, facially, she isn't beautiful.

R75 She actually is. Bone structure and eyes alone are magnificent.

Because she looks cheap. If you don't understand what that means, I can't help you.

Some of you people are delusional. I love Madonna but she was never one of the most beautiful women in the world. With the right hair and make-up and if she was photographed at the right angle, she could look pretty when she was young but she was never a great beauty.

From what I’ve always read she’s always exceptionally nice to kids. Even her worst detractors say so.

From the kids of co-writers (like Patrick Leonard whom she wrote ‘Dear Jessie’ for his daughter), to producers, to kids on tour (Chris Finch), to costars, they and their kids have always said Madonna was doting and very sweet to them. Drew Barrymore famously said Madonna was the only adult who seemed concerned about her underage drinking asking her to put down her drink and asking who was watching after her when Madonna was barely a somebody.

She has walls up with adults, and doesn’t always treat them kindly, but she seems to have a soft spot for kids and that says a lot about her.

Also, she was very beautiful.

She looked her best around the time her Sex book came out. She had a few moments afterwards like in her Power of Goodbye video, but yeah...never beautiful. At least two of her brothers were better in their prime than she was, and it does appear that Rocco is better looking than his hairy brother Lardass, so maybe the men are better looking than the women in this gene pool.

[quote][R73] A nelly fat incel who can’t stand most ppl think Madonna was beautiful. Too funny.

How ironic. I think the the probability of anyone being a "nelly fat incel" is the one that is posting nonstop about how "everyone thinks Madonna is beautiful" (with no evidence or proof, mind you) and also can't seem to master basic reading comprehension (hint: R73 never said he "can't stand" anything, simply stated a PERSONAL opinion on the subject).

R81 You type like you have 50 shades of yellow teeth. It’s a fact most consider her beautiful. Now, ask why you’re having Thanksgiving alone and all your life problems will be revealed to have one root cause.

What female peers of hers were considered more beautiful?

Better eyes than Elizabeth Taylor

She never had a unibrow.

Why do people say that?

R31 I absolutely disagree. Lauren Hutton's gap made her interesting. Her handlers were forever trying to get her to fill the gap but she would protest. Occasionally she relented. I think Hutton was beautiful either way. Madonna was and is, no beauty. She has finally destroyed her face with the most current rounds of surgery. I find it to be a sad commentary on her mental state. Tweaking problems is one thing. When you get to a place where you have become unrecognizable (like Khloe Kardashian or Madonna) it's a sure sign of mental illness. That is sad.

Madonna has never had any actual cosmetic surgery. It is all fillers/injections/non-surgical procedures.

She looked amazing in early 1991. It is such a waste that she didn't film a music video for Rescue Me with that great look.

Anyone know she didn't?

Perfect face shape

r83 I don't know who is considered more beautiful than Madonna. I do have my own opinions though. 80s singers I think are prettier than Madonna: Whitney Houston, Sade, Belinda Carlisle, Neneh Cherry, Debbie Harry, Susanna Hoffs, Vanity, Aimee Mann, Vanessa Williams 90s singers I think are prettier than Madonna: Lauryn Hill, Aaliyah, Shania Twain, Gwen Stefani, Lady Miss Kier, Saffron of the band Republica, Liz Phair, Jennifer Lopez, every member of TLC but especially Chilli, Janet Jackson in the 90s. Madonna is beautiful, but there were a lot of beautiful women in the industry.

If she hasn’t actually had any surgery, that’s great news. Next, she needs to come to her fucking senses and stop with the injections. She would look pretty great otherwise, even if she is 64.

Because she's not a great beauty.

R83, fashion model Karen Mulder is beautiful. Madge is not. She can't be considered a beauty with those eyes and that nose. The photo I posted at R78 makes her look a bit homely and common.

Madge was a stunning beauty at the American Music Awards in 1987, with the clown make-up and bushy eyebrows.

Madonna looked gorgeous in the Vogue music video

R93, what don't you like about her eyes and nose?

Madonna was considered to be the biggest female sex symbol of the 1980's.

Very beautiful and sexy.

There are many great photos of Madonna and many iconic videos, but the movie camera didn’t like her. It was cruel to cast her in Body of Evidence; all you keep thinking of is how plain and unsexy she is compared to Sharon Stone.

R99, why don't you think Madonna looks good in movies? Just wondering.

Madonna always made People magazine's 50 most beautiful lists

The camera loved her in DSS, Shanghai Surprise, Dick Tracy, A League of Their Own, Evita, 4 Rooms.

[quote]R93, what don't you like about her eyes and nose?

Her facial features don't have the right shape and proportions for her to be a great beauty. The way her eyes narrow toward her nose in a triangular shape and this is echoed in the somewhat too triangular shape of her nose. If you think she looks like a great beauty at R78, I'm not sure there's much of a point in arguing with you. We obviously have very different beauty ideals.

Karen Mulder is a real beauty.

Gorgeous here

Nice one here. Beautiful.

I agree that there are photos where she looks pretty. With the right angle and lighting and hair and makeup, most women will look better than they normally do. If you think she looks like a great beauty in the first 30 seconds of R98's video, then your idea of beauty is very different from mine and there's no point in arguing.

R106 Dude STFU you crazy mentally ill freak. If we think she’s beautiful there’s nothing your deranged freak of a mind is going to change that. If you think she’s ugly or no great beauty WHO CARES. I and millions of others think she’s beautiful so take your lithium and STFU fucking freak.

Madonna was too much of a tryhard to be actually sexy. She wanted people to think she was beautiful and hot, which something someone who’s actually those things never does.

Debbie Harry was absolutely effortless in her presentation, and is rightfully to be considered one of the sexiest women in music of all time. It helps she was naturally gorgeous to begin with.

Madonna was cute and relatable, which is what endeared her to her initial teen girl audience.

R108 Oh dear GOD it won’t stop. Freak.

R108, Debbie Harry’s presentation was hardly effortless.

An example of a beautiful woman in music who did absolutely *nothing* to highlight her extraordinary good looks and sex appeal, is Kim Deal. But I feel terrible even bringing up her name in a Madonna thread.

R110 It was effortless in the sense she wasn't a tryhard beyond wearing funky clothes and having a tongue in cheek performing style ala Mick Jagger or every other punk rock performer of the time.

Madonna was so fucking over the top with her constant sexual references, trying to will herself into some kind of raunchy sex icon. She didn't have any sense of humor about herself, Debbie did in spades. You can't really be sexy when you take yourself so seriously.

Kim Deal is a completely different type of artist than either.

R111 You’re the essence of trying too hard. Your 54 posts in this thread prove it.

You're hilarious, R107. I'm just answering the OP's question and questions other have directed at me. You're basically rephrasing what I said. If you honestly think Madonna is beautiful, that would explain a LOT.

R113 No, you’re obsessively trying to refute every general assertion Madonna is beautiful. You’re a fucking freak and have posted dozens and dozens of times. JFC.

You're adorable when you troll, R114. This is my seventh post on this thread, but you probably knew that.

Every move from Debbie was calculated. She desperately tried/still does to come off as cool, when in reality, she's one of the most uptight - non-punk rock chicks out there... no matter how hard she tries to be. IMAGE IMAGE IMAGE!

R116 = Vadge

No shit that every artist has a calculated persona, I'm saying hers wasn't forced or cringeworthy. You bought her as a disaffected sex bomb. Nobody except teenage gay men and girls thought Madonna was sexy.

Why does Hagdonna have so many rabid stans on this board? She wasn't anything special except for how famous she became and how much money she made.

Everything that's claimed as "revolutionary" about her "artistry" was done prior to her by gays and women that never achieved her level of commercial success because they refused to water themselves down to the lowest common denominator.

R117 = mentally disabled aka retarded aka bitter, battered queen.

And you bought Debbie's effortless coolness as a fact, when it's just plain old uptight and miserable. kEwL.

R118 Why does Madonna have so many bitter, rabid, battered queen-obsessed haters on this board?

Kim Deal is the anti Madonna

Only old fucks know who Kim Deal is FFS. What a stupid name.

R119 Is right, but she only has a very few, completely deranged haters. Then they try bizarrely to diminish what we say be saying we’re Madonna stans. Well, yes, I do like her. A lot. And? Their POV is the one irrelevant because they obviously, derangely hate her. Madonna repels the mentally weak. They hate her. They love their sad, weak divas who are drug addicted, have mental breakdowns, and have fake nice personas. The freak who said he only had 7 replies has over 36, another has about the same. Block and behold. They can’t let any positive comment about Madonna stand. Why? Because she’s always going to be the most successful female recording artist of all time sales, on the charts, in concerts. Tay Tay may catch her in concerts, but we’ll see.

And red blooded American boy wanted to fuck Madonna because they found her beautiful/hot. Worldwide, Madonna was still desirable (until just very recently) by straight men. These few deranged Madonna haters will now start multiple threads trying to elicit anti-Madonna sentiments, but they’ll mostly be talking to themselves.

Madonna was voted best-looking in school

[quote]Why was/is Madonna never considered to be a great beauty?

The moustache.

Kim Deal is the anti-Madonna. She’s the least successful female singer and is not sexy.

Debbie Harry is Madonna's biggest female inspiration as far as music artists go.

Even as recently as a few months ago she was asked her biggest musical inspirations and the only names she mentioned were Debbie Harry and David Bowie. Google the video called 50 Questions With Madonna. It's on her official YouTube channel.

She looks like a trailer park skank - always has.

Bowie is an even more laughable comparison. The man wrote almost all of his songs and could play numerous instruments!

Before all the procedures, she was what I'd call "a handsome woman".

R127 & r128 trying too hard

Madge is not beautiful. Never was, never will be. Rihanna is beautiful. Natalie Portman is beautiful.

R130 Trying too hard

R129 & R131 losing it

I thought she looked the most attractive in her "Like a Prayer" video: brunette, voluptuous, with amazing breasts. I'd've motorboated those ta-tas before titty fucking her. (What can I say? I like dick, but I also find breasts amazing.)

R131, Trying too hard at what? Telling the mafuckin truth. Madge used to be brilliant and is one of my favorite female artist. Carry on now.

Trolldar says otherwise r134

Why do some people say Madonna was/is a "handsome woman"?

I don't see how she looks masculine.

Which facial features make her look masculine? Just wondering.

Brilliant pop music over the years. As a person both in looks and action she’s kind of awful. She has NO sense of humor. Her recent incarnations etc are kind of awful. She reminds me of angry rap performers only their stuff is better. She’s gross.

R137 Oh you know her? Funny, she reaches out and supports people behind the scenes not for publicity like Ellen (Ellen didn’t reveal the support until over a decade later), Toni Braxton (Toni wrote about Madonna reaching out to her when she was at a low over a decade later), Whitney when she lost her first baby (biographers have noted this), of course Britney, Christina, and many others. She was known to visit AIDS patients in the 80s& 90s and randomly pay medical bills (documented). She talked to a little girl fan of hers who had cancer every day for hours (documented on Oprah- family came forward years later with the story). A bad person? Fuck off. Also, most people who aren’t blinded by hatred of her think she is beautiful and that is an absolute fact.

When did she look her best and when did she look her worst?

i think she looked her best in Express Yourself video. as mentioned, she looked great in photoshoots and videos.

I used to work in music industry briefly, and someone told me (I don't remember if it was photog or make up artist) that 1) her face was like a great "canvas" that really was a make up artist's dream. and 2) she had very fine, baby facial hair that would "catch the light" in photography and helped make her photos amazing. Not sure if the latter is true or not

Not a great beauty idiot reminds me of Billy from Six Feet Under. Poor Brenda. But really, poor anyone entangled in this deranged psychotics web in real life.

R141 WTF are u trying to say?

Kim Deal is great and a lot better than Madonna. That's all I have to say about things.

[quote]When did she look her best and when did she look her worst?

Doesn't she look her worst now, with way too much plastic surgery?

Has she ever had a nose job?

Those thick lips at R144 are frightening, as is her milky grey eye colour.

Looks like Michelle Pfeiffer

Looked stunning in the Erotica music video

Perfect nose

She's kind of like Jolie laide. Her proficient bedroom skills and fame enhance the effect immensely.

her sister was hotter

Paula looks like a young Gillian Anderson only with short dark hair and a hint of Madonna.

Because she isnt?

Gorgeous in Who's That Girl movie

R135 how does my posting history suggest any negation of my r130 remark, you useless cunt. Pls join Fox News because you are fake news.

I agree she's underrated.

I think people don't want to admit she's beautiful because of how famous she is.

Beautiful in Dick Tracy

Why was/is OP such a sad fat whore that he's focusing on someone who was beautiful maybe 40 years ago?

R158 is jealous of Madonna

Jealous of an insecure old lady? Not in the least.

R160, why insecure?

So jealous of Madonna even when she’s gone crazy. The relevance!

Because she isn't beautiful and never was. She was just good at being cheaply provocative.

R163 cry harder

Gorgeous in the Borderline music video

Is Madonna trolling DL? This is the umpteenth thread on her.

She's lost whatever looks she had from too many plastic surgeries and is now a terrifying Pete Burns wannabe.

She beauty is similar to Angelina Jolie's

Bitch is ugly

She was very attractive but not a great beauty.

Cute

We all know this. Cab is a distant relative of mine, which I guess makes Janet my cousin. It's been a family secret for years. No I will not provide anymore details.

Dl needs to fix the site. Threads got mixed up.

Looks like Hedy Lamarr

Best eyes ever...even better than Elizabeth Taylor's eyes.

Vadge is tied with Irene Cara on the uglier than fuck category.

Fame, I wanna live forever

Madonna is this generation's Greta Garbo

No she never was. Even during peak popularity.

The most beautiful woman ever

I always loved this interview with her and thought she looked so natural.

Pretty here.

I think she peaked here.

Looks great in Dick Tracy

Vadge was always a ghastly translucent white girl.

Looks like Gene Tierney

Dunno

Looks best in Sex book

Is the OP the same stupid troll who keeps posting threads that go "What Do You Think Of (fill in the blank)'s Looks?"

As for Madonna she was never considered a great beauty because she never was a great beauty, you dumbass troll.

Resembles Marlene Dietrich

She is

Because of jealousy and envy

[quote] Because of jealousy and envy

Shut up Madge, you pathetic old hag.

Stunning

Most beautiful eyes ever

Envy is the answer

Resembles Hedy Lamarr

She was considered to be in the 80's - early 90's...

She is considered to be beautiful

R198, by "beautiful" you mean "horrifying plastic surgery addict", right?