Right-wing influencers are now calling Club Q staffers "groomers"

This is called projection. Don’t listen to mouthbreathers.

r1 We don't have the luxury to ignore these MAGAts. Not anymore.

Here's what Republicans do when they're informed of actual groomers:

(It's not really anything "insane.")

This guy has an fifth grade education, and a Catholic one at that. Why would anyone listen to him?

I am shocked. MAGA folks saying something despicable? It's like rain becoming wet.

Now the right is coming after the veteran who disarmed the shooter.

Jack Posobiec appears to be taking the shooting as a personal victory. The hubris is a lot like post-Dobbs. It's monstrous that he's gloating over a mass shooting, of course, but also stupid. Shootings accomplish nothing but move institutions in the opposite direction. Expect more and more acts of anti-gay violence in the next months, though.

The truth is a lie. Night is day. Where have I heard this before?

Pool's sister is calling him out:

[italic]@Timcast you really think lgbtq people are grooming children!!?? Wtf is wrong with you. Do you not remember working at moms coffee house in boys town in Chicago when we were teenagers? That community had some of the most wonderful people we've ever met !

People feel they are entitled to say whatever the fuck tjey want, they think that is what free speech is.

What does Club Q had a grooming event mean?

They are also falsely claiming the mass murderer is non binary.

No proof, they just say it

[quote] Pool's sister is calling him out: @Timcast you really think lgbtq people are grooming children!!??

We know perfectly well that Ts ARE grooming kids. And some of those crazier alpahbet soup people as well. Helloooooo MAPS.

This conflation of groups is the issue. Stop conflating Gays and Lesbians with Ts and Crazy Letters.

Pools' twitter post was about how to stop the grooming and stop the violence. He's not calling for violence. He's saying that going after groomers should not be violent.

How about the TRAs regularly advocating and practicing violence against women? They need to fucking take care of their own house first.

R11, Club Q advertised for an intergenerational Drag Queen Show for the next day at the club. How did you miss that? The intergenerational crap needs to stop.

"an intergenerational Drag Queen Show "

Doesn't the fucking club serve alcohol and restricts entry based on age ?

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[quote] They are also falsely claiming the mass murderer is non binary.

The perpetrator is claiming it. Are you now against self-ID?

The barely hidden secret is that the alt-right is very, very, VERY gay.

[quote]People feel they are entitled to say whatever the fuck tjey want, they think that is what free speech is.

That is actually what free speech is. We kind of forget that because there are legitimate arguments about "protected speech," first amendment issues, hate speech, dangerous speech, but at its heart, free speech is about saying whatever the fuck you want. It really is, deep down. We lose sight of that constantly in our arguments, and I don't just mean DL, our entire society, but as an ideal, free speech does mean saying and hearing shit that may not be universally approved.

R15, are you suddenly into treating murderers as trustworthy?

Prove it, r15

R17, free speech doesn't mean freedom from criticism

It also doesn't mean you can't be sued for libel if you make false accusations against others

That is not what free speech means, r17

No, r20, what it means is your free speech may well be met by somebody else's free speech to criticize you. But to pretend that free speech means "opinions I like and agree with are allowed, opinions I don't like MUST be punished in some way" is to miss the entire point of free speech. And r21, that really IS what free speech is about. We can argue about how much free speech we actually want to allow, but we should never lie to ourselves about what we are doing. And when we want to restrict opinions we don't like, we really should have a compelling reason beyond "I don't like that."

Its called libel.

No, you can not say whatever you want when you want without consequences.

It. Has nothing to do with my feelings

PROJECTION, MUCH?

It’s the height of hubris to be lectured by a moron like R17 on the meaning of free speech. Honey, it’s best to keep your fat mouth shut when you’re that fucking ignorant. Take some constitutional law classes, bitch.

You don't understand what free speech is if you think it all comes down to "constitutional law classes" r25. You are wrong, but of course you are also typical of the majority of "free speech" fans who think it all comes down to the First Amendment and when and where it should be applied. And I have no doubt you are in the "opinions I like are free speech" camp and protected, and opinions I don't like MUST be punished.

As for libel, that is a specific legal claim. Is it libel to say "Club Q" had a "grooming" event? I don't know. I suspect it is too vague to actually win a libel suit, but maybe. Somebody with a lot of money and time may want to test that, but I understand if they don't want to do that.

Magats don't do logic.

Sometimes progressives don't either r27, sadly.

What grooming event are you referring to

Years ago, I thought Tim was cute and thought that maybe he had a point or two.

This is what can happen when your livelihood is dependant on your online engagement.

Not sure if you mean me, but it's referring to this, r29, from the tweet at OP:

[quote]Club Q had a grooming event

Is that libel? I don't know? That is a legal question. Is it false? Yes, I would say false. I'm not even sure what exactly it mean. What is a "grooming event"? What is this Tim Poole talking about? Some nonsense probably. Should he be punished for saying it? That's the free speech question.

You insist on repeating lies as if repeating lies transforms the lie into truth.

What grooming event

Who is "you" r32? What lies? What exactly are you asking? Should you be asking Tim Poole?

Im asking you since you are repeating his lies.

I am not repeating his lies. You are a being a fool who does not understand what the discussion is about. You actually want to argue with this Tim Poole person. Are you on twitter? Respond to him. Ask him what he is talking about and why he thinks there was a "grooming event." Don't be a jackass about this, just ask him if you want to know.

Bitch, I am not on Twitter.

Then bitch, neither of us will ever know what Tim Poole meant. None of us, not now, not ever! We are going to have to live with that.

R28 is a MAGAt who thinks freedom of speech means freedom from criticism

No, absolutely false r38, completely false, Completely, indubitably, almost indescribably false. I hereby criticize you for your stupid and ignorant post and your inability to comprehend what free speech means and doesn't mean.

You repeated a lie, claim the lie is free speech and finally pretend to not know what a lie is.

R22, you're allowed to punish people for the things they say. That's what freedom is all about. You have the freedom to be a homophobe, and people have the right to retaliate against you by calling you a piece of shit

I quoted a lie, r40. Are you Hershel Walker? Are you retarded? Are you incapable of understanding words and ideas? What exactly is wrong with you?

You admitted you quote a lie.

And no r41, that is NOT what freedom is all about. It is what restrictions on freedom are all about. There is a big difference. It is fundamental, and as long as people pretend freedom and restrictions are exactly the same thing they will be hopelessly confused.

Are you autistic r43? Are you able to understand the difference between quoting something without agreeing with it, and quoting something because you agree with it? Is that a concept you grasp?

I asked what grooming event is referenced here and you bitched I should ask on Twitter where I don't have an account.

R41, yeah, it is. You think freedom is a one way street "I can say what I want, and no one has the freedom to challenge me!"

That's not how it works, dear.

It's not a lie to me. Those drag queen events where they bring children is all about normalizing sexualized behavior in a child's mind. That is a valid definition of grooming.

There's no libel there.

And at r31 I quoted the tweet, by Tim Poole, telling you what "grooming event" I was talking about while also saying it was probably nonsense. As an aspie, you decided that was me "repeating his lies" but it actually wasn't. The only one who actually knows what he was talking about is Tim Poole. I can't answer that for you. Maybe he can.

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Worth reminding people that this is textbook Kremlin strategy - LGBT groups and individuals in Russia are attacked on the grounds that they're all pedophiles by default.

R47 - it sounds like you're the one saying freedom is a one way street.

R41 said, "You have the freedom to be a homophobe, and people have the right to retaliate against you by calling you a piece of shit"

In other words, someone hurling an insult (say, calling someone a groomer) can be confronted by someone with a different insult (say, calling that person a piece of shit).

R51, but the Ts *are* preoccupied with children’s bodies. They want to halt their growth…make them forever prepubescent. And then castrate them. Literally. That’s what “gender affirming healthcare” is.

The Ts are bringing us homos down.

We need to drop the transvestites. They are really sick dudes.

Free speech costs a great deal.

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r12 thinks she can make drag performances out to be something ominous by dropping the word "intergenerational", as if any other type of interaction between adults and children couldn't also be described with that very term. Teaching? It's intergenerational mind shaping. Breastfeeding? Intergenerational intimate feeding.

But thanks for making one thing clear: that radfems are in a full blown alliance with the genocidal right. They're now justifying anti-gay shootings, like r12 above. The sooner Datalounge realizes TERFs are not our friends, and refuse to be useful idiots for them and their allies -- the GOP, Matt Walsh, and Chaya Raichik -- the better.

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Drag Queens aren't transgendered.

R58, they are under the trans umbrella now and some actually are. Even Rupaul’s Drag Race had to allow mtf compete on the show.

[quote] They are also falsely claiming the mass murderer is non binary.

You should take that up with "their" (aka "HIS") lawyer then:

[quote] CBS Colorado reports that according to court documents filed on Tuesday, “Anderson Aldrich is non-binary. They use they/them pronouns, and for the purposes of all formal filings, will be addressed as Mx. Aldrich.”

Everyone knows the most trustworthy source of biographical information about a mass killer is their defense attorneys!

And here, a neighbor corroborates what the attorney said:

[quote]Xavier Kraus, a neighbor of the accused shooter, said he and his girlfriend lived across the hall from Aldrich and their mother until September. Kraus said they mostly played video games together, often in Aldrich’s apartment.

[quote]Aldrich would occasionally express hateful attitudes toward people, Kraus recalled.

[quote]Kraus said he specifically remembered one time “Aldrich vocalized verbally” that they “did not like or slash hated the gays. Using a derogatory term for them.” He added that many other “outbursts” were “racial.”

[quote]Aldrich was “not someone I would have around my gay friends,” Kraus said. He said the alleged shooter never mentioned they were non-binary.

Oh, wait, he did not! I misread the first time!

Sadly, a few DLers support those accusations.

So what? According to progressives, you can identity as whatever you want on whatever day of the week you choose.

r63 Yet no progressives, including trans activists, are supporting the killer's identification -- only right-wingers are. And their faggy useful idiots like you.

Kara Dansky, the "feminist" who sucks far right dick for donations, and her cabal have been posting here. R12 being a typical example.

[quote][R63] Yet no progressives, including trans activists, are supporting the killer's identification -- only right-wingers are. And their faggy useful idiots like you.

Oh so self-id only works of you're a progressive or a tranny? People you disagree with can't self id too? Yeah that's logical.

And we know you're a tranny by your homophobic use of "faggy"

See, we know your trannie fucks are not "allies" because your homophobia always comes out (as does your misogyny).

Okay, Uncle Bigot.

I'm guessing Milky Glutes and/or one of his useful idiots ("mentees"), such as Conor Friedersdorf, have been posting here. Maybe we're even being graced by Favela Goonwald's verbal diarrhea.

Face it trannies, gays are on to you. We're sick of your homophobia, sick of your misogyny, sick of your re-writing gay history, and sick of your mental illness.

r69's attempt to shepherd gay people to join the GOP, couldn't be more obvious if IT had tried. Too bad the GOP is going increasingly medieval and genocidal against us at the very moment r69 is trying its best to troll us.

Someone should tell R69 that we're all out of potatoes. And beets. And the medication Crazy/Autistic Matt Anscher should be taking (but isn't.)

[quote] [R69]'s attempt to shepherd gay people to join the GOP, couldn't be more obvious if IT had tried

God, your hormone meds really must affect your reading comprehension.

Calling the trannies out for their evils is not the same as asking people to join the GOP.

Seek help.

[quote] Someone should tell [R69] that we're all out of potato

The Russian troll thing is so boring and stupid. You really can't come up with anything else.

You're as "limited" as Rose and Blanche.

And I guess you think Russian trolls get Barbara Thorndyke references.

God, you people are morons.

"take the L out" - homophobic organization founded by lesbiphobic "political lesbians" that also work against marriage equality, gay & lesbian adoption, surrogacy, egg/sperm donation, and consider gay men to be nazi child predators, also the root of who they blame for trans but they're also profoundly against actual lesbians. They keep protesting gay events and making the media rounds. Of course, they're beloved by the anti-trans social media crowd, including JK.

Andy NGO called out the Atlanta attacker as a homosexual while omitting certain facts to hype up the grooming, conspiratorial angle and rightwing media has been spreading it around to justify their grooming accusations against the community at large while the replies and retweets of his tweets also more than a few calling for violence and questioning if Staub is Jewish and promoting conspiracy theories.

Hmmm. I'd like to see R56's computer history.

Advocating and defending for intergenerational sexualized activity is just another Peter Tatchell. We see you.

Look up WoLF. And Jennifer Bilek. If you want to learn a bit more about the way their movement is deeply embedded within the far right community.

r75 There's nothing sexualized about a drag performance. Drag is originally by and for gay men, and for gay men camp, flamboyance, and female attire aren't remotely sexy -- they're in fact turn-offs; they're at best appreciated as comical. The idea that drag is sexy is projection from paraphilic conservative heterosexuals such as you, dumb cunt.

R77, that is utter nonsense. Gay men do not attend drag shows at night clubs to get turned off by the entertainment. Are you a young teenager by any chance?

r78 Trolling is at its most effective when it's witty. You're not doing yourself any favors by playing the brain damaged retard.

Just play Tucker Carlson's views on young girls and it's all you need to know who the demons are.

I'm not trying to be witty, you moron. I'm being honest and cutting through the bullshit.

Outright stupidity like the one found at r78 only makes clear one thing, that the GOP extremists on Datalounge don't truly believe what they say -- they're shameless trolls just out to distort your comments time after time until you get exhausted and dispirited and stop replying, so they claim another thread as their fiefdom.

r82 there's an overlap with rad fems, too, they've come out of hiding on these issues and reluctantly share it with the rightwing as they give them a platform. And, they do believe that kind of bs but they frequently contradict themselves in their own theories on gay men and what they call "womanface" ... it's often comical the extent of batshit crazy in some of their theories.

r82 ^ oh, and they can't separate drag kings from ftm either. . . which they believe lesbians were corrupted by gay men into becoming butch (while many of them for all intensive purposes would be considered butch but alas, they phrase it as being gender abolitionists. They tend to despite femmes just as much, though) while lesbian physical attractions are a sin in this ideology, too. the political lez ideal is to be as unattractive and frigid as possible, any expression of sexuality or gender is contributing to the patriarchy.

They interviewed one of his neighbors after that was filed who claimed it was BS, that he never referred to himself that way and used derogatory terms for gay pretty freely.

[quote] Yet no progressives, including trans activists, are supporting the killer's identification

Which shows the hypocrisy. Either you can self-ID and said ID is to be respected or you don’t have to. You can’t claim someone is or isn’t trans or enby or whatever other crap they’ve convoyed this week, only when it’s convenient. This is the same shit they did in regards to the spa incident. Suddenly the tranny wasn’t a real tranny, even though it lived life and identified as one. The entire movement is nothing more than a cult made up from severe mental illness and narcissism.

Omg I want a T-shirt that says “Uncle Bigot.”

😆😆😆😆

*concocted

R85, he didn’t claim to be gay. Gay and non-binary are two separate things. They say “white faggot” all the time.

[quote] There's nothing sexualized about a drag performance.

Honey, 99% of drag is sexual. Don’t even. You obviously have never attended a drag show. They talk about their pussies, their tits, blowjobs, etc, non-stop. Their bodies are sexual exaggerations.

r90 It's irrelevant what drag queens say in their adults numbers, retard. The all-ages numbers drag queens do are not like that and, if they were, the insane obsessed right would have already produced proof. If you check what right-wingers are saying, and I bet you have and are pretending not to, they're arguing the whole concept of gay men cross-dressing is inherently sexual, which it is not; gay men aren't attracted to the looks of drag queens; it's not appealing to us. And guess what, comedians also talk about their sex lives in a polo shirt and jeans, but that doesn't mean a comedian addressing children in polo shirt and jeans is inherently sexual, ninny.

[quote]Which shows the hypocrisy

Where have progressives ever supported someone claiming a trans identity for the reason of trying to have anti-LGBT hate crime charges thrown out or to troll his or her victims? This is such a specific circumstance, I doubt you'll have one example. We only have what this fat pedophile did, and guess what, it's not progressives supporting it, it's mass murder apologist scum like you.

[quote]Honey, 99% of drag is sexual. Don’t even. You obviously have never attended a drag show. They talk about their pussies, their tits, blowjobs, etc, non-stop. Their bodies are sexual exaggerations.

To misquote Lauren Hough, drag queens talk about sex like Christians talk about love and GOP politicians talk about thoughts and prayers. Everybody knows they're full of shit.

R91, are you serious?

R92, who do you think inspired this trend?

r94 is too stupid to read his own stuff. +14. That's a not all-ages. +14 movies also display racy, including sexual, content, stupid.

God, how autistic does a troll have to be to just relentlessly keep harping on the same shit?

Lol r96…they don’t adjust according to age. Drag Queens don’t know what’s age appropriate.

And r95 is a liar. Dana Rivers had been identifying as trans since the 90s and underwent surgery to transition in 2000. She did not transition just to escape hate crime charges over a crime perpetrated in 2016 or just to troll LGBT people, like the Colorado shooter is doing. Either you scumbags aren't reading your own propaganda, or you're consciously spreading misinformation for the genocidal right. Either case, you're allies and useful idiots for these people.

r98 If that were true, you'd have better proof than a link to a tour that was EXPLICITLY NOT an all-ages event. Your desire to justify the shooting of gay men on this forum is duly noted.

It’s not a lie. Dana Rivers did indeed start this trend.

He’s a straight, white man who killed two lesbians of color & their son.

He was able to beat the Hate Crime rap.

R100 = transman erasure

Matt you have unresolved gender identity issues (that video of you in drag is quite entertaining though!) and you're self loathing when it comes to your crippling autism. If you have health insurance, you need to find an excellent therapist. Entire Ph.D. theses could be written on your cluster of mental health issues.

[quote]Dana Rivers did indeed start this trend.

LOL, so in 1997 Dana Rivers saw into the future that she was going to kill a lesbian couple in 2016? Listen to yourself, retard.

Listen to myself…type?

Only nazis say retard.

Dana Rivers got MichFest closed down. His misogyny is well known.

He was not prosecuted for a hate crime because he self IDs as a lesbian. That’s all. It doesn’t matter for how long he’s been impersonating women & invading their spaces. There are no rules to self ID.

One can be a man on Monday, a woman on Tuesday & an NB on Wednesday.

He’s the one who started this tend. He succeeded. Expect to see more.

r105 His publicly self-identification as a trans lesbian far precedes the crime he committed. By almost 20 years. The Colorado shooter's self-ID as non-binary, however, only came up after he shot a bunch of gay and trans people. The argument is simple and it doesn't speak well of you that you can't grasp it. I'd like to understand your brand of weirdness better. Are you very old, and maybe understanding arguments is getting increasingly beyond your grasp? Or do you visit the same far right online trolling websites as the shooter did?

'Grooming' accusations are a way to absolve families of the guilt they may feel if one of their kids turn out LGBTQ. It wasn't Nature or nurture, it was celebrities and other influencers brainwashing them into confusion.