Are homophobes really closet cases half the time?

Yes.

Homophobes are ALWAYS closet cases. They feel that way out of jealousy, because they deprive themselves of something they want, for whatever reasons well known to them, and cannot stand to see people enjoynig freely that very thing

Only a very small portion in my experience, the rest are genuinely just innately repulsed by homosexuality. Throughout life, I've also encountered many more women than men who found gay men in particular gross, and your argument obviously doesn't work in their instance.

Except R3, I find that many of those women have been in love with a gay man, possibly even a spouse and/or had a father who was a closet case.

People hate things they fear in themselves or blamer for their failures

People these days like to say it's not the case, but I think they are wrong depending on what we mean by homophobe. The outspoken, loud, obnoxious homophobes ARE, in fact, almost always closet cases. You're probably hiding something if you care so much about the lives of gays that it becomes your thing to rail against. If we use homophobia in a looser sense to mean, for example, some straight guys who are a bit uncomfortable with the idea, then that's a little different.

men wouldn't mind the homosex, they know the male sexual impulse, if it were not for women. Women create and nurture homophobia, in order to scare men and retain their power. Especially white american women

R2, sounds like DL

R3,r4, is in denial.. Gay men seem to seriously harbor animus and resentment towards women over straight men fixation.

r8 it's because they understand that women create this division in order to maintain their ' rights'. "Do everything I say, or else, you're a faggot". "You want pussy more than anything else, or else you're a faggot" , therefore, you don't mind not raising your children, or you don't mind me destroying life in my own woumb, because it opens the opportunity for more pussy

I noticed in high school that after the mean boys started getting some attention through sports and started getting laid, they lost interest in harassing 'fags'. It was the ones who couldn't get a date who were full of fear and rage. They fear if the girlies don't want them they'll slide helplessly into the sinful pit of homosexuality. So they must assert to the world that they aren't 'like that'.

Everything men do is sex-based. You need only find the sexual component and you'll have the answer for the behavior.

I've only read about it in the news; every homophobe I've dealt with in person has been straight. If you think that there's no chance that a 100% straight man can be a raging homophobe then you're an idiot and probably a homophobe yourself.

Huh….I can only see one of the replies. Wonder why??

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LOL R12, I had to unblock a few cunts too

R11, there is no such thing as a 100% straight, you're delusional and brainwashed

Some homophobia is actually inborn. Currently, I’m reading “The Pragmatist Guide to Sexuality”. They make the claim that if some men are attracted to homosexuality due to their sexual configurations. Then you can expect to find the inverse. So some men do indeed find homosexuality to be the equivalent of necrophilia or rotten food. They argue that the arousal system for sex and disgust are basically the same thing.

R9, is a delusional idiot

I have a MAGA uncle who tends to make overly dirty jokes about gay guys. Last time I saw him he told this really cringey one about Pete Buttigieg getting prison fucked. I always felt like it was his backwards, closeted way of expressing something.

Anyway I am NOT looking forward to Thanksgiving.

R15 yeah the “The Pragmatist Guide to Sexuality” has all the answers. is the author male or female ?

R13

R14

Some certainly are, but I don't know the percentage.

If not an issue with their sexuality, it's almost always reflective of some insecurity. It can simply b e that they're not happy with their lives and hate seeing people who they think they're supposed to be better than leading superior lives.

Would DLers say that it's linked to being a closet case more often when it involves actual homophobic conduct towards others, rather than say, a guy who shit talks gays in private?

I don't know the right answer.

I have a dumb gay nephew who's kind of pushing my buttons (and by buttons , I mean my big fat dick) in so many ways, starting with his cute little ass.I would give him a fuck anytime, but He doesn't get the memo, however heavy. Maybe next thanksgiving...

R16 wipes from back to front

I don’t think so.

Historically, closeted gay men are often our community's worst enemy.

The closet may kill, but not fast enough with these fuckers.

R24, absolutely!

Madison Cawthorn.

So stay home, r17.

Homophobia is not "inborn" or "innate" any more than racism is.

In both cases you have to be carefully taught.

R27 = R17 's uncle

Ohio is full of them.

I would bet 10% of homophobes are closeted. But there are a ton of openly gay homophobes, look at this forum.

define "homophobe ". The one who genuinely hate openly gay men are closet cases, but often don't know it themselves. The ones who are gay bashing casualy are not really homophobes, it's pretty normal, we all want to feel superior to that fem guy, to that total bottom, etc. the Male instinct works like that

A certain number of homophobes use their stance as distraction from their own urges or behavior. Every gay man and lesbian can probably find examples from life experience. I'm not at all sure, though, with R2 who claims 'Homophobes are ALWAYS closet cases.' The percentage is a far cry from 'ALWAYS.'

Moreover I don't see any benefit to this not uncommon exaggeration. All racists don't harbor some mixed blood secret or fear; anti-Semitism isn't entirely or largely rooted in self-hate by people with secret genealogies no more than they are want to be Jewish. The 'ALWAYS' model falls short very quickly, and the explanation isn't particulalry compelling or convincing in large scale.

I don't buy this. Homophobia is socially conditioned. We're all raised in a society that is very heterosexist and heteronormative. Many straight people find homosexuality gross and bizarre and gay people as defective. Many gay people have to unlearn this too in order to not be self-hating. I know gay rights have advanced and many straight people are fine with us. But there's still heterosexist and mildly homophobic attitudes even in some of our allies but usually they are willing to learn. People who are angry, close minded, ignorant and losers in their personal and professional life tend to become open and aggressive bigots and these are the ones who love gay bashing and equation gays with pedos. The homophobe being a closet gay is an old trope that may have some truth in cases but it's not everyone.

R3 no way. “Straight” Black men are the worst.

How did we get around to blaming women for homophobia? Homophobia and misogyny have always gone hand in hand.

Women do enable and uphold both misogyny and homophobia in the domestic sphere, the blame ultimately goes towards men in positions of power who put this into law and society.

R18 The authors are a heterosexual couple. The husband is a neuroscientist. The books doesn't claim to hold all the answers.

There is also a religious aspect to it. Religious people think being gay goes against god and Jesus. Every Christian I have been acquainted with hates gays but the atheists I have known don't seem to care one way or the other. I am an atheist so I know a lot of non-believers.

Dan White, the homophobe who gunned down George Moscone and Harvey Milk

^ another one

Tim LaHaye, famed homophobic evangelical preacher and prolific author

Self explanatory

Pope Benedict XVI

The legendary red Prada pumps

Regular het boys don’t give a fuck about “ta geighs.” The most common attitude I encounter with them is, “good, more for me.” It’s the twisted closet cases that obsess over what gay/bi men do with our private parts that drive them cray cray. Why would a real straight man care? Another subgroup that obsesses over us is the “I was molested by a gay” damaged male crowd. A lot of rage is present with them, just below the surface. Just my two cents, and my experiences.

Roy Cohn

Agree R46, it's the obsessed ones who are the closet cases. Wanting a man is wrong in their minds, so they follow their fixations "safely" by talking about how degrading or emasculating it is to be gay. Maybe it's pretend, maybe it's frustration that the want won't leave.

It's like how so many Qanon leaders got busted for child porn. (Though obviously that situation is ACTUALLY wrong.) They themselves were pedophiles, but they made up a story that Oprah, Obama etc. were the bad guys and "they" had to be stopped. Really it was their own perverseness that feuled the obsessive fantasy.

[quote] Women do enable and uphold both misogyny and homophobia in the domestic sphere

No truer words were ever spoken.

R46 not true most straight men are obsessed with male homosexuality, usually mocking it, just listen to straight guy stand up comics, one gay joke after another

Of course they all love lesbians, but gay or bisexual men are still seen as less than, I'm a masculine, closeted bisexual guy who works with primarily straight men and most have negative views on gay men, it's gross and a big joke to them

R50, you're so blind. how much time per day. to they devote to "thinking about how gross and ridiculous " it is again ? Don't you think it strange that all males in the Roman and Greek societied had the gay "gene" ?

how much time per day do they. sorry

OP ask yourself - why would anyone spout hate or commit violence about something that should not concern them? Homophobes are triggered precisely because it is something they want desperately or fear.

R51 you obviously aren't around a lot of straight men, they CONSTANTLY have gay jokes going when in groups, I work in construction and it's constant, it's still a main part of male bonding

Again I'm bisexual and closeted but when I was younger I was more open about my bisexuality at other jobs and I heard it all, none was positive, male homosexuality still personally offends the heterosexual elite who run the world , shit I've even been told I was a "waste of a man" by women who were interested in dating me but backed off when I told them i was bisexual

So we get the hate from both men and women

Bisexual woman are of course treated like angels by these same people

R53 because that's how straight people are

You really wanna piss off a straight guy? Mention one of their sports heroes or singers might be gay or bisexual

It enrages them to no end

They can look up to a sports star who cheats, does drugs, beats their wife etc but he can't be a homo, that's too far!

Because gay men are thought of as being the worse thing a man can be...

[quote] Anyway I am NOT looking forward to Thanksgiving.

Then don't attend.

R54, that's a personal situation , mine is different, when I was more open about my sexuality, I had constant offers from so-called "straight " guys. Straight men are held hostage by women who will ridicule them and destroy their reputation if they so much as admit they find another guy handsome. Lesbians don't threaten women's power.

R55 that's because they've repressed their impulses all their lives to be accepted by women, and they find it thoroughly unfair, that money and fame allow thier idols to live their thinly veiled real sexuality

As I said, R50, that has not been my experience at all. It sounds like you have had different experiences.

the bottom line is : when you're an attractive guy, the "straights" will hit on you. when you're not so attractive, the same will go all "well I never in all my life". Sad and unfair, but true

R60 yes and Ive had a lot of "straight" guys hiton me when I was openly bisexual

That's another thing that pisses straight guys off, when a bisexual or gay guy turns them down

Phobias are loosely translated as irrational fears.

You've always have to ask yourself, why is this person terrified of / obsessed with this subject matter in particular?

When it comes to homophobia there is a great chance that it comes down to the Hermann Hesse quote:

[quote] “If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us.” Whenever you're judgmental of others, you're, in fact, judging yourself.

Amen R62

No, they’re not. This argument has always pissed me off and is what the kids would call a “microaggression.” It still conflates homosexuality with deviancy where it’s some Gremlins-like disease that turns into murderous rage if the individual doesn’t come out in some sort of appropriate timeline.

Straight people can be awful homophobes without any closeted desires. Stop blaming gay people for everything, including the biases of straight people.

I find this equivalency a major red flag if it comes from someone who I previously thought were cooler with gay people than that. It’s along the same lines as “I’d love a gay friend; we can go shopping!”

I do think there are a lot of homophobes — particularly the very good looking ones who get busted for hate crimes — who were sexually assaulted by men when they were younger, haven’t processed or acknowledged it, and has subconsciously leaked out in the form of hatred towards gay men.

But yeah, you can drop Roy Cohn’s name all you want, but 90% of the time it’s just self-important straight people who are instinctively grossed out by gay sex.

[quote] It still conflates homosexuality with deviancy where it’s some Gremlins-like disease that turns into murderous rage if the individual doesn’t come out in some sort of appropriate timeline.

That's exactly what it is. Closet cases going mad and having their "If I can't be happy, I make damn sure nobody else can be happy!".

And just to be perfectly clear. This isn't about homosexuality itself, it's about the misery and unhappiness that comes from staying in the closet.

Closeted married men who lash out at their wives and children. Blaming them for everything that goes wrong in their lives.

Closet cases lashing out at out and proud gays for being so disgusting and flaunting their gay happiness in public.

Closet cases who blame the Gay Community as a whole as the reason for why they have to be in the closet, instead of rightfully blaming heteronormative society which insists something is wrong with gay people.

I had a red-faced bigot as an uncle. He was also the biggest homophobe I ever met. Yet, I recall seeing his collection of Jim Neighbors vinyl as a child ...

[quote] Homophobes should consider a little self-reflection, suggests a new study finding those individuals who are most hostile toward gays and hold strong anti-gay views may themselves have same-sex desires, albeit undercover ones.

[quote] Why do I list people who now support gay rights? Because they used to be gay homophobes. It's important to show both that another anti-gay person in power was hypocritical, and that people can change.

[quote] Even in the 21st century, self-hatred seems to drive many a tortured soul into the arms of movements that would do them harm. While it’s unlikely that queer feelings live inside the heart of every homophobe, a significant number of anti-LGBT religious and political leaders have ultimately come out or been outed for same-sex feelings, encounters, or relationships.

Yup, R67. Your evil uncle hated gay people so he should be mocked with the accusation of repressed gay thoughts because gay thoughts are so embarrassing and shameful.

[quote] Your evil uncle hated gay people so he should be mocked with the accusation of repressed gay thoughts because gay thoughts are so embarrassing and shameful.

Is that really the best you got? It's homophobic to point out that a great deal of homophobes turn out to be self loathing homosexuals?

Aren't anti-semites really partly Jewish half the time?

The anti-Semites on this site just flat out don’t like Jews.

R67: this Jim Nabors?

Diverse