Anti-LGBT Trolls are Killing us!

There was more than a year-long campaign here on DL by some posters to get people to vote for GOP in the midterms because of a handful of drag queens reading books to kids, like that's the worst thing to happen since the Holocaust. Childless, homosexual posters who are super into child welfare for some reason and apparently think about kiddies 24/7. I mean, we have some completely fucking insane lunatics posting here.

We also have a pack of supremely bored and or clueless Eldergays who will argue with the trolls for days on end, thus encouraging their presence on DL and bumping their threads up on the regular.

They are physically unable to comprehend the notion that if you ignore the trolls they will go away.

The trolls will calm down for a week or so because of this anti-LGBT shooting but then return en masse and pretend it never happened.

I've been blocked from posting because I dared to point out the Russian trolls on here, but they keep posting unfettered.

The troll will totally avoid this thread because them it will be bumped and they dont; want that

What is anti-LGB about believing in same-sex attraction? If you are a gay man and are not prepared to have sex with a transman then you are a transphobe.

No they won't r3. We have a bad troll or two in the thread about the shooting trying desperately to derail the thread to be about trans people and give them an opportunity to trot out all their tired anti-trans talking points.

[quote]What is anti-LGB about believing in same-sex attraction? If you are a gay man and are not prepared to have sex with a transman then you are a transphobe.

Gaslighting.

As if that's the salient issue here. Transphobes are those chattering about how trans are only mentally deranged, hate gays, and groom kids.

And THAT is leading directly to LGBTQ being targeted and shot down. FUCK YOU

[quote]We have a bad troll or two in the thread about the shooting trying desperately to derail the thread to be about trans people and give them an opportunity to trot out all their tired anti-trans talking points.

They haven't gotten the message that Putin stopped paying for those talking points after the midterm elections.

[quote] No they won't [R3]. We have a bad troll or two in the thread about the shooting trying desperately to derail the thread to be about [bold]trans[/bold] people and give them an opportunity to trot out all their tired anti-[bold]trans[/bold] talking points.

[quote] As if that's the salient issue here. [bold]Transphobes[/bold] are those chattering about how [bold]trans[/bold] are only mentally deranged, hate gays, and groom kids. And THAT is leading directly to LGBTQ being targeted and shot down. FUCK YOU

So your true gripe is that people are expressing their unvarnished thoughts about trannies? Got it.

R10, unvarnished thought? Sure, Boris.

In fact, those "thought" mimic right wing talking points word-for-word and are leading to the slaughtering of people by those easily persuaded by this hate speech.

The trolls spread through the internet and just spout right wing hatred--on the topic of the day--and always pretend to be coming from the type of person each particular website is focused on.

Depending on the election cycle, they hate gays, women, Blacks, Jews, Muslims, Illegals, Immigrants in general, Trans, Drag queens....

What do you have in mind when you call trans haters? Do you mean what that actual phrase means or more? Just asking because I feel saying I think someone is wrong doesn't mean I'd want them hurt, much less killed. Saying I am not going to call you a woman when you have a penis, no tits and dont even bother to fake some is not a call to murder. Calling out an extreme from one side doesn't make me extreme.

In short, shut the fuck up OP.

R13, you're bullshit is killing people. Hope those few rubles you're making off it makes you happy.

[quote]Do you mean what that actual phrase means or more? Just asking because I feel saying I think someone is wrong doesn't mean I'd want them hurt, much less killed.

Very reminiscent of the "Just because I'm against gay marriage doesn't mean I want gays beaten..."

Well, that's exactly what it does when you "other" people, when you push that because you don't understand something it must not be real.

[quote]In short, shut the fuck up OP.

So you don't think the shooting in Colorado or anti LGBT hate crimes being among the most frequent in the US has anything to do with rhetoric like yours.

I guess this is how you soothe yourself

R16 rhetoric like the examples I gave?

Nope.

[quote] What do you have in mind when you call trans haters? Do you mean what that actual phrase means or more? Just asking because I feel saying I think someone is wrong doesn't mean I'd want them hurt, much less killed. Saying I am not going to call you a woman when you have a penis, no tits and dont even bother to fake some is not a call to murder. Calling out an extreme from one side doesn't make me extreme.

Yes, it does make you a TERF extremist cunt! What you are doing is literal violence that is killing thousands of transwomen of color a day. It is no different than physical violence. Do better or get off this site, cisscum!

I stay away from the Political threads, as they are always a cluster fuck. So I don't really see all the trolls some scream about.

I don’t think there really are trolls here. Russia does NOT pay people to post about trans here on this small site no one’s heard about.

R20 Exactly. Many, no most gays here, and all the lesbians, find the gender, nb, trans shit horriffic.

r20 Just stop it.

OP, what do drag queens and drag brunch have anything to do with trans? Are you stupid or straight? Only straight people think drag queen = trans.

Or are you just using this tragedy to get across your political points and chastising anyone who says anything critical about trans? I noticed you conveniently changed it from calling people “anti-trans trolls” to “anti-LGBT trolls.”

[quote]“anti-trans trolls” to “anti-LGBT trolls.”

I see both of these separately and in the same sentence, and I asked if “trans” was different from “LGBT” now.

R23: agreed

This latest shooting is the price of LGB being lumped together with the Ts, and bearing the brunt of the hate that’s meant primarily for the Ts, eg Transing of children

Methinks trolls doth protest too much.

This anti-trans stuff has hit apex for me. I'm looking into what I need to do to block myself from casual clicking here. There's so many supportive places for queer folk and this place doesn't need to be for anyone. It can fall apart and thankfully activism will continue regardless.

[quote] I'm looking into what I need to do to block myself from casual clicking here.

Just hit the “x” in the corner and never come back. This ain’t a “queer” space.

Looks and sounds familiar? Surely there are no trolls spewing Russian talking points here.

R27 Queer spaces? Please, fuck right off to them, and your safe echo chamber of horrors.

R29, what the fuck does that have to do with DL? Gay marriage, vegetarian food, and black people?

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Right, so if there are really Russian trolls, they would all be gone now since the election’s over. Nothing to blame on Russian trolls now.

[Quote] I don’t think there really are trolls here. Russia does NOT pay people to post about trans here on this small site no one’s heard about.

….says the troll who pretends to know nothing about trolling…

[Quote] Right, so if there are really Russian trolls, they would all be gone now since the election’s over. Nothing to blame on Russian trolls now.

I guess the stupid ones are the ones not getting paid

They've been here steadily for seven years, R33, probably longer. It's not dependent upon election seasons.

[quote]We also have a pack of supremely bored and or clueless Eldergays who will argue with the trolls for days on end, thus encouraging their presence on DL and bumping their threads up on the regular.

PoisonedDragon, yeah, absolutely, that guy HAS to be a troll himself.

He argues with trolls for hours upon hours, and supposedly gets "confused" and starts yelling at the good people and defending trolls A LOT. The last time I saw him, he was on a trans troll thread yelling at people like me who were quoting the trans trolls, but not yelling at the trolls themselves. He does that a lot.

It’s not like this place is suddenly pro-trans on non-election years.

The SECOND I hit post, I saw PoisonedDragon was actually on this thread. Figures.

Poisoned Dragon, the last time I saw you, you were on a trans troll thread yelling at people like me for quoting trolls. We'd quote a troll who was saying "just the LGB, not the T" and you'd yell at us, calling us the trolls, not the people who had originally said what we were quoting. The more we explained it to you, the more you insisted we were Russian bot troll anti-trans scum. Meanwhile, you chatted amiably with the trolls themselves, saying you wanted to "reach a middle ground" with them. Come the fuck ON!

You are a huge problem on this board. Huge. People buy into your act about fighting trolls, but you don't. You go to bat for them, you give them a reason to keep coming here, you back them up and "accidentally" because you're "confused" go after the non-trolls.

[quote]This latest shooting is the price of LGB being lumped together with the Ts,

Nope, sorry, it's because you right wing scumbags have been using cultural agitprop like Libs of TikTok to equate drag queens with trans people and pedos, by saying gays are molesting the kids they teach and can't even say that they're gay on the job anymore, and these 22-year-old fuckied-up incels think that a drag performance is all about trans grooming kids now because of you. So they go in, guns blasting, because of the propaganda you very specifically have been spreading all over the internet.

Fuck you for trying to blame LGBT organizations for this, but I also get that it's what you do. Your job, self-appointed or not, is to say there are no trolls on here, it's all the Ts fault, it's all the LGBT organizations faults, it's everyone's fault but the right wing scumbag propaganda machine that you're defending.

R40 You sound twiggered. And make little sense.

[quote] Fuck you for trying to blame LGBT organizations for this

No one is blaming the LGBT organizations for this. What the fuck are you even talking about? You sound very confused.

[quote]R39: We'd quote a troll who was saying "just the LGB, not the T"

You weren't quoting anything. You didn't use the DL quote function, or even quotation marks. The quote explanation is something you cooked up as a half-assed explanation after you were called out.

I note the return of the "we" shit. Socks.

[quote]Meanwhile, you chatted amiably with the trolls themselves, saying you wanted to "reach a middle ground" with them.

No, I didn't 'chat amiably' with any trolls. Nor have I offered "middle ground" to anyone.

So are you pro-trans or anti-trans, R43?

Hon, most gay men and lesbians aren't into the trans cult shit, drag queens are absolutely not trans women. The idea of an LGBT "community" is misguided (lesbians and gay men have little common ground or common interest beyond both being into the same sex) and makes no sense. I think the idea of tranvestism or crossdrossing needs to come back. You can dress up and wear makeup and still be a man.

CROSSDRESSING. I'm drunk on a sunday.

[quote]R44: So are you pro-trans or anti-trans, [R43]?

I am 𝑛𝑜𝑡 anti-trans; I support the solidarity of LGBTQ, 𝑎𝑙𝑙 of the acronym's constituents. It's why I call out posters pushing 'LGB'; it's divisive, and a far-right/Russian talking point. But you would be able to tell that if you'd ever read the rare times I wade into the subject.

What, exactly, do the T have in common with the LGB? They're not even in the same area. One is gender-related. The others are sexualities. One is who you are born as (that would be the gay, not the T) while the other is completely dependent on exterior crap that you have to force other people to pretend to go along with. One is found across all species in nature (that would be the gay ones, again!) while the other is found nowhere in nature. And on and on.

R47 How is it a Russian talking point? Many, or most of the gay men on DL have no time for the trasnsies, their endless demands, and their insanity.

[quote]R48: What, exactly, do the T have in common with the LGB?

The LGBTQ are all non-straight, sexual outlaws oppressed by hetero-normative society. We all have a common set of adversaries - straight, conservative religious believers. Arguments against the trans like the ones you're expressing are pretty much identical to those used by conservatives against gays and lesbians. Same bullshit, different day.

[quote]R49: How is it a Russian talking point?

Because it's something being pushed into social media by Russian troll brigades and their far-right fellow agenda-ists, i.e. Republicans. The propaganda has been identified and is being tracked.

R50 the TQ are majority straight.

R50 You sound weird. And obsessive. And ignorant of what is happening in the world.

▲ Matt Anscher talking points.

^^^ and trannies are majority straight which is why women don't want them in their spaces. straight men can be very dangerous to women.

And nobody can change sex, nor ever will. And leave children the fuck alone, men in bad drag.

Now all Muriel has to do is nuke this thread and every poster on it. Then DL can return to an adult discussion forum free of juvenile name-calling (such as R53, who villainized yet another poster as "Matt") and fascist thread monitors.

[quote]Hon, most gay men and lesbians aren't into the trans cult shit

I guess this might work on the types who don't go to any other forum or social media except Datalounge, but the fact is that on Twitter, Insta, Reddit, etc. the majority of people support trans. The only ones who don't are trolls. You almost never see someone say something equivocal like, "I dunno, I'm not sure what to think, maybe they're wrong about stuff." What you see is always "trans cult danger! insanity! mutilation and grooming! troons! go dilate go dilate! we have no community! massacres like these are the transes fault!" That's not normal discussion, that's hate and essentially propaganda, as others have already said.

Further, the majority of people actually in LGBT groups and organizations do support trans. You know this, because you trolls complain about those organizations all the time. Constantly. Endlessly.

There is a concerted effort on DL to trash all trans, but also blacks, immigrants, women, Jews, Muslims, sometimes the disabled, and other various groups, partly from the old men on here who put a lot of effort into maintaining an image of dignified, wealthy WASPness. They're obsessed with maintaining a 1960s-era status quo, and they frequently ally themselves with the trolls.

Once you understand that, many of the crazy individuals on here, including Edwwin and Poison Dragon, both of whom have been specifically mentioned, start to make sense.

[quote]if there are really Russian trolls, they would all be gone now since the election’s over. Nothing to blame on Russian trolls now

This is a deliberate misunderstanding of trolling. Trolling these days is about fighting the culture wars, and they don't just do this in election years. Trolling is cheap and easy, and both governments and corporations do it because of its effectiveness.

I've said before that I don't think a lot of Russian trolls post here, because no Russian (or Macedonian or any of those well-known troll farms) would pay the money to get a handful of trolls and sockpuppets embedded on here.

However, we DO have the personally obsessed trolls who have some kind of emotional connection to DL that prevents them from ever moving on -- Edwwin, Davida, Matt A., Erna, AYB, Libertarian guy, PA yard sign troll, others we never learned a name or handle for -- and they will troll endlessly, for free.

We also probably have people who get paid by companies who hire freelance trolls who work piecemeal on platforms like WeWork and Mechanical Turk. They could easily shell out their own $1.99 to post here, knowing they'll make it up after X number of troll posts.

[quote]I guess this might work on the types who don't go to any other forum or social media except Datalounge, but the fact is that on Twitter, Insta, Reddit, etc. the majority of people support trans.

It is so sad and pathetic that you think Twitter, Insta, Reddit, etc. represent the majority of people. They aren't even a fraction of a fraction of people in the real world (you know, that place you have removed yourself from) and, on top of that, they are complete echo chambers.

[quote]It is so sad and pathetic that you think Twitter, Insta, Reddit, etc. represent the majority of people. They aren't even a fraction of a fraction of people in the real world (you know, that place you have removed yourself from)

You're saying DL is an exemplar of popular opinion, but places like Instagram, with 1 billion users active during any given month, aren't. That's laughable.

There are plenty of polls, news articles, and real-world examples that show the LGB support the T. Anti-trans people are outliers, extremists, reactionaries, and they ally themselves with people like these murderers, the Heritage Foundation, the British Conservative party, etc. Those are the facts. You think posting "Instagram isn't real!" on Datalounge means that you can change the facts, but that's just pathetic.

Something you don't understand is that what you say on here makes almost no difference to anything, ever. DL was pegged as a rightwing trollhaus years ago, before Gendertrender got deleted the first time, and your years of hard work trolling this website has achieved nothing but maybe turn a few American Boomer gays into transphobic assholes. The real success in rightwing propaganda has been on the larger platforms, the ones you say don't matter.

I suspect you don't want to admit that they DO matter because you're so ineffectual that you can't cut it as a Twitter or IG troll. You're stuck here because you can't last more than two days anywhere else.

[quote]R56: Now all Muriel has to do is nuke this thread and every poster on it. Then DL can return to an adult discussion forum free of juvenile name-calling (such as [R53], who villainized yet another poster as "Matt") and fascist thread monitors.

Naming a well-known anti-trans troll that has plagued DL for years is not "juvenile name-calling." And the only one who would object to it is Matt A himself, of whom it is worth noting that if every poster on this thread were nuked, he would remain essentially untouched, since he uses many dozens of sock accounts.

R61 No anti trans, or anti anything. Pro women and reality.

[quote]R57: There is a concerted effort on DL to trash all trans, but also blacks, immigrants, women, Jews, Muslims, sometimes the disabled, and other various groups, partly from the old men on here who put a lot of effort into maintaining an image of dignified, wealthy WASPness. They're obsessed with maintaining a 1960s-era status quo, and they frequently ally themselves with the trolls. Once you understand that, many of the crazy individuals on here, including Edwwin and Poison Dragon, both of whom have been specifically mentioned, start to make sense.

Except that I have never trashed the trans, blacks, immigrants, women, Jews, Muslims, the disabled, or anyone other groups. I have always opposed the trolls who do this, without "trashing" anyone. "Trashing" isn't a part of my posting style.

Why are you engaging in gaslighting, R57?

R63 Talking about gaslighting on a tranny thread, hilarious.

[quote]R64: Talking about gaslighting on a tranny thread, hilarious.

You're one of the anti-trans sock accounts strafing this thread: R19 / R21 / R30 / R41 / R49 / R52 / R55 / R62 / R64.

Not a sock puppet at all, a realist.

[quote] the fact is that on Twitter, Insta, Reddit, etc. the majority of people support trans

Because anyone questioning trans ideology and practice is completely censored. How did you miss this aspect of the "support"?

In the real world, the majority of people do not believe in trans ideology.

[quote]R67: In the real world, the majority of people do not believe in trans ideology.

In the real world, the majority of people do not 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑒 about "trans ideology," or any of the rest of the obsessions of the anti-trans.

They have no fucking idea what is going on, especially in relation to women and children.

[quote]R69: —but you know that

Cute trolling, trying to insinuate that I secretly know and believe your obsessive claims.

There's not anything "going on." You're sick, Matt, and you need to get help.

R70 Yawn. Why do you ruin this place? You deluded sad sack.

The more people are being made aware of what the trans ideology is visiting upon society - especially on children and the vulnerable - the more and more the opposition grows.

Apart from the idiocy of trans ideology, the fascist methods they employ to further their aims and shut down any opposing views is the very definition of totalitarianism.

A crazy goes into an LGBT club, yes welcoming to all, and shoots up the place. He killed a straight woman, a trans man, and other LGBT patrons.

And the trolls on here want to turns this into a debate about trans.

FUCK YOU.

YOU are the PROBLEM!

I'd rather be trans than a troll

I'd rather be a person who knows it's always wrong to perform double mastectomies on 15 year olds.

[quote]Because anyone questioning trans ideology and practice is completely censored.

Obviously not, r67. There are hundreds upon hundreds of threads on here. Your comments are on this thread. Twitter is overflowing with you trolls and your socks. The British media is on your side. The Republicans are on your side.

No one thinks you're being censored. I don't even know why you bother saying it anymore.

r63, you're doing it again.

I never said you trash those groups, and I think you know that. You're deliberately making a strawman argument, claiming I said you trash all those groups, when I didn't, as is obvious by what you quoted. I know others think you're just a confused old man spending his retirement on Datalounge but I think you do this on purpose.

What I said was that you frequently somehow "get confused" and start going after the good guys and not the trolls, then doubling down and insisting that those who aren't trolling are Russians.

[quote]R77: I never said you trash those groups, and I think you know that. You're deliberately making a strawman argument, claiming I said you trash all those groups, when I didn't, as is obvious by what you quoted.

According to the quote from R57, cited at R63, it's obvious that you did. You deliberately attempted to paint me as being one of the far right trolls. Trying to characterize me as "confused" or mistaking posters for someone else is something that has trended among the greater aggregate of Anscher trollsocks for the past several months. That you're doing this also, instead of joining the defense against the far right trollsocks, is an indicator that you're 𝑛𝑜𝑡 one of "the good guys," as you've attempted to characterize yourself (a couple of posts made since yesterday aren't sufficient to establish bonafide anti-far-right-troll credentials). You're gaslighting, and it's not working.

Concentrate on where the real problem is, rather than trying to do a takedown on me. Either you're with Matt Anscher, Davida, the alt-right, and the Russians, or you're not.

R76, sell your trans lies at some forum like Reddit. We know here how censorious the trans movement has been all over the internet, in the media and in everyday real life.

You were talking about places other than DL, so don't now backtrack.

Twitter only recently started opening up and allowing dissent on the trans issue.

Repeating word patterns between probable sock accounts:

[quote]R69: They have no fucking idea what is going on, especially in relation to women and children.—𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭

[quote]R77: I never said you trash those groups, and 𝐈 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭.

Trolls just repeating exactly what the right wing says.

THIS is what causes LGBT to get bashed and shot up.

Enjoy your rubles because you're KILLING PEOPLE

[quote] I'd rather be a person who knows it's always wrong to perform double mastectomies on 15 year olds.

I'd rather be a person who knows you're a right wing, paid troll.

[quote] Concentrate on where the real problem is, rather than trying to do a takedown on me. Either you're with Matt Anscher, Davida, the alt-right, and the Russians, or you're not.

R78 The only "problem" is your delusional belief that a cadre of non-existent posters of various identities and political ideologies are out to "take you down". Paranoia at its most basic/pathetic But that and your use of childish pejoratives - trolll? sock puppets? How old are you again? 59? Going on 8? - does allow you to deflect from reasoned, adult discourse. Which of course is the method to your unending madness.

The right wing, anti LGBT crap is all over the internet and on Fox. It was a major part of the midterms--charges that LGBT are sexualizing kids.

It was an attempt to scare suburban moms, whom the GOP lost in the last Presidential election, back to the GOP.

It didn't work to bring back those moms but it did charge up the right wing crazies and the massacre in Colorado is the culmination.

These trolls on DL are just part of that same machine.

Posting "antitrans voices are being silenced!" 15,699 times on a gay discussion board is...a choice.

[quote] charges that LGBT are sexualizing kids.

No. LGB are not sexualizing kids. In fact, they have a long and proud history of putting a stop to that when Pedos reared their ugly heads under various guises.

It is the Ts that are sexualizing kids.

I wonder if this was always part of their march to the sea. Use the gay community and organizations to sell their ideology under gay cover and also use gays anti-Pedo history to cover their sexualization of kids.

[quote] Posting "antitrans voices are being silenced!" 15,699 times on a gay discussion board is...a choice.

It is an absolute choice which I am proud to make. "Antitrans" is pro-sex based sexual attraction and sex-based rights.