Not a lot of information out about the extent of people injured. Hopefully no one was killed.
There's been a mass shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs at a club called Club Q.
by Anonymous | reply 604 | November 20, 2022 10:58 PM |
You sound excited OP.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | November 20, 2022 8:30 AM |
OP = the ghost of Omar Mateen
by Anonymous | reply 2 | November 20, 2022 8:33 AM |
Do I sound excited? I don't mean to sound excited. I genuinely hope no one was killed.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | November 20, 2022 8:33 AM |
R3, ignore r1. This does sound very bad.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | November 20, 2022 8:36 AM |
đ˘ .
by Anonymous | reply 5 | November 20, 2022 8:42 AM |
Video clips of police cars & ambulances arriving:
by Anonymous | reply 6 | November 20, 2022 8:45 AM |
Bystanders reporting that 10-12 people may have been injured (or worse).
by Anonymous | reply 7 | November 20, 2022 8:47 AM |
Brian Sherrod of kktv11news says Colorado Springs Police should be providing an update in a few minutes:
by Anonymous | reply 8 | November 20, 2022 8:54 AM |
Thanks r8
by Anonymous | reply 9 | November 20, 2022 8:59 AM |
5 people are dead, 18 injured according to the police.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | November 20, 2022 9:00 AM |
And the shooter(s) is/was???
by Anonymous | reply 11 | November 20, 2022 9:02 AM |
This is all to familiar. Hope it wasn't a muslim like here in Norway. Knowing USA and the gun problem the shooter could be anyone.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | November 20, 2022 9:06 AM |
[quote]Colorado Springs Police first got the call around 11:57pm for a an active shooter at Club Q. Again, they confirmed five dead and 18 injured. They are taken to local hospitals. The gunman was injured in this. Not sure if by police or civilian.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | November 20, 2022 9:09 AM |
Every time Colorado Springs is mentioned on the Datalounge, someone calls it a "conservative shithole".
by Anonymous | reply 14 | November 20, 2022 9:14 AM |
Video clip of Lt. Pamela Castro briefing the media:
by Anonymous | reply 15 | November 20, 2022 9:25 AM |
I hope Shane and Ryland are ok.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | November 20, 2022 9:30 AM |
Horrific. America really really must do something about its gun control problem. This will never stop otherwise.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | November 20, 2022 9:30 AM |
Iâm placing my bet that the shooter was a gay man who was ignored by the gay community: didnât fit in, couldnât get a date and was fat, fem or Asian.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | November 20, 2022 9:33 AM |
How this story is being spun by the various local/international media is fascinating. The basic story is chopped and changed depending on the medium's agenda, with some playing up the "transgender" angle, mentioning "Transgender Day of Remembrance", while others ignore it. One medium characterized the event as an "attack against the transgender community".
by Anonymous | reply 19 | November 20, 2022 9:55 AM |
R19 funny how transgender people are often seen as more important than gay people now.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | November 20, 2022 9:58 AM |
Sounds like the patrons stopped it from being worse. They subdued the attacker.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | November 20, 2022 10:04 AM |
R17, sadly, Americans love their guns more than they love themselves, and more than they love their own children, families, communities they live in, and much more their fellow Americans.
Perhaps with 2 to 3 generations, we will see a change, but it isnât happening for now.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | November 20, 2022 10:04 AM |
R20 That's where the visibility, power and most importantly MONEY is. Expect gay organizations/media to focus mainly on the "trans" angle as well.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | November 20, 2022 10:05 AM |
Oh I thought this was a gay club. After reading r19, I saw NYT, WaPo, etc. reporting it as LGBTQ club. From its fb page, almost every (other) event seems drag. Ok, nothing wrong but I don't think it's the kind of venue where "a gay man who was ignored by the gay community: didnât fit in, couldnât get a date and was fat, fem or Asian" would like to hang out, let alone shoot.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | November 20, 2022 10:09 AM |
Colorado Springs is the birthplace of Evangelicalism. It could have been Al Queda or Y'all Queda.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | November 20, 2022 10:09 AM |
Monstrous. All too familiar gun violence in America. Next month it will be at a child's Christmas parade, etc. We must stop this insanity! :-/
by Anonymous | reply 27 | November 20, 2022 10:11 AM |
Almost 20 posts in before this became a TRANS thread. Not bad, all things considered.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | November 20, 2022 10:13 AM |
[quote]You sound excited OP.
R1, STFU.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | November 20, 2022 10:24 AM |
Is this a drag club? If you check their FB all you see is ads for Drag Nights. Not a single shirtless hot guy like you normally see in ads.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | November 20, 2022 10:27 AM |
Blue state governors and mayors are at fault for crime, remember?
This despite them being against the laws that allow any psychopath from getting their hands on guns.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | November 20, 2022 10:28 AM |
Fucking horrible and revolting. America, where the only "lives" that matter are that of firearms and billionaires.
RIP to the humans who lost their lives in that club, comfort sent to the wounded, and may the ones who lost loved ones find the strength to endure without them.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | November 20, 2022 10:29 AM |
R25 What's the difference between a gay club and a LGBT club?
by Anonymous | reply 33 | November 20, 2022 10:30 AM |
[quote]RIP to the humans who lost their lives in that club....
R32, "to the humans"???
by Anonymous | reply 34 | November 20, 2022 10:32 AM |
Isn't it funny how the media and corporate America have made calling gay pride LGBTQ+ a thing where the word gay is considered rude and out of touch but when something like this happens it's a GAY bar? A GAY BAR SHOOTING! There's an f-ing Q in the bars name even. Odder still, almost every video and add has anything but gay men in it. Lots, and lots of drag, trans and lesbians.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | November 20, 2022 10:38 AM |
Everyone was arguing if the dead were gay, trans, ect R34. I don't know their genders, pronouns, their attractions, their loves and I am not going to separate them up or guess. I do know that they were are all humans, who did not deserve to die. That's all that was meant by that.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | November 20, 2022 10:39 AM |
Some of you need to go to bed and get some rest. "It's too soon" to be screeching about the media coverage when the dead bodies are still scattered on the floor in pools of blood.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | November 20, 2022 10:42 AM |
This is barely getting headlines. Mass shootings are no longer noteworthy. They have become routine. Where was it this time? How many dead? The shooter was a crazy loner? Oh wellâŚ..
by Anonymous | reply 38 | November 20, 2022 10:42 AM |
So, sadly, just another mass shooting in the USA. In other breaking news, water is wet.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | November 20, 2022 10:47 AM |
Only the truly horrific ones seem to get much mileage these days, r38. Eg, Las Vegas, Uvalde, etc
by Anonymous | reply 40 | November 20, 2022 10:49 AM |
Seething anger + mindless violence + guns = America. Yesterday, today, always.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | November 20, 2022 10:49 AM |
The 4 white college girls that got murdered is getting a lot more coverage. Non-stop on some channels. Because they are well, white, straight women.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | November 20, 2022 10:50 AM |
R42 How do you know they were straight?
by Anonymous | reply 43 | November 20, 2022 10:51 AM |
Lauren Boebert the gun nut Congress MAGA whore will say something completely fucked up about this in 3, 2, 1.....
by Anonymous | reply 44 | November 20, 2022 10:52 AM |
So sorry.
And isn't there a gay bath called Buddies next door or attached?
by Anonymous | reply 45 | November 20, 2022 10:53 AM |
[quote]How do you know they were straight?
They were last seen at a straight bar before heading to a food truck. Chances hare they were not a band of lesbians. Plus there's lots of photos of them with former boyfriends.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | November 20, 2022 10:54 AM |
R42, I think the two blonde girls were dating.
Childhood sweethearts, etc.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | November 20, 2022 10:54 AM |
[quote] This is barely getting headlines.
It's being covered as far as India.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | November 20, 2022 10:58 AM |
R42 You are so full of shit, this shooting just happened so of course it's not going to be in the news as much as the shooting that happened a few days ago. And colleges/schools shooting always get more media coverage than other types of shootings. The Orlando shootings made the news all around the world. So you are just trying to create some non existing drama.
Plus, weren't the victims three girls and a guy?
by Anonymous | reply 49 | November 20, 2022 11:00 AM |
Multiple gunshots are old news, the hot trendy mass killers use knives and get the media attention they demand!
by Anonymous | reply 50 | November 20, 2022 11:03 AM |
I bet this is related to the anti-drag hysteria being fed by the GOP, Libsoftiktok, etc. If so, I hope our side exploit the fuck out of it, because the endgame was always obvious.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | November 20, 2022 11:05 AM |
R51 If so thank god it didnât take place at a library with children all around.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | November 20, 2022 11:11 AM |
R36 You don't get it. Your post just proves the problem. The people at that club were GAY MEN. They were shot because they were gay, as in men attracted to other men. Gay men were shot because of who they love and have sex with. Trans, Qs and other non-binaries need to get the fuck out. This has nothing to do with them. And the media need to stop indulging them. This was a GAY hate crime, not queer.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | November 20, 2022 11:14 AM |
Iâm pretty sure the Q in Club Q stands for Queer, I wouldnât get all bent out of shape for how the word Gay is used here. Anyone going into this club obviously had no problem with the word Queer. Donât bring your own biases into this.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | November 20, 2022 11:18 AM |
R54 Fuck off. You are part of the problem.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | November 20, 2022 11:20 AM |
[quote]I bet this is related to the anti-drag hysteria being fed by the GOP, Libsoftiktok, etc.
There was a drag show earlier in the night, and there was supposed to be an all-ages drag brunch today.
[quote]Tonight weâve got double trouble! Del Lusional is taking the stage with a punk and alternative show at 9pm! Then immediately following that we have a dance party celebrating our very own Potted Plantâs birthday! Letâs fight the cold with some dirty dancing and drinks! Dj T BEATZ goes on at 11pm! And donât forget tomorrow at Noon kicks off another fantastic ALL AGES BRUNCH! Well have bottomless mimosas and bloody Maryâs til 3pm! Reserve your table now at www.clubqonline.com
[quote]Letâs prep for a fantastic Sunday Funday! Doors open at 11am for our noon ALL AGES DRAG BRUNCH!!! Join us for a fantastic drink special and even more amazing drag show! Then stick around for an all stars cast of our freshest faces! Weâre celebrating Transgender Day of Remembrance with a variety of gender identities and performance styles! Show starts at 8pm!
by Anonymous | reply 56 | November 20, 2022 11:24 AM |
R55 - so what does the Q in Club Q stand for?
by Anonymous | reply 57 | November 20, 2022 11:25 AM |
Isnât this where that former football player who used to give away roses on some TV show and then came out lives?
by Anonymous | reply 58 | November 20, 2022 11:35 AM |
My head hurts just reading this thread.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | November 20, 2022 11:37 AM |
[quote]Iâm pretty sure the Q in Club Q stands for Queer, I wouldnât get all bent out of shape for how the word Gay is used here. Anyone going into this club obviously had no problem with the word Queer. Donât bring your own biases into this.
You are correct R54, and for people screaming "TRANS", the club has been there at least 15 years from what I can recall (way before trans was "in vogue" It is the only gay bar in Colorado Springs I am aware of.
Yes R45, there is a bathhouse next door (same building just different entrances).
[quote]and there was supposed to be an all-ages drag brunch today
They mean all ages as in don't have to be 21+. They don't mean bring your kids (though you could I guess).
by Anonymous | reply 60 | November 20, 2022 11:44 AM |
The suspect has been arrested so we'll know eventually what the motive was, but with all the rhetoric from the rightwingers about how drag = gay = trans = pedo, and a drag show and all-ages show scheduled at the bar for today, I'm suspecting we'll find a connection between those two things.
Unless this turns into another Pulse Nightclub situation where we're all told that he just accidentally coincidentally went into a gay bar without a single bad thought for gay people ever and did a massacre and how dare you say it was an anti-gay crime. Hopefully that won't happen a second time, but shit's weird these days, who knows.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | November 20, 2022 11:46 AM |
Why have most gay bars all turned into Drag bars over the years? This bar could be Hamburger Mary's in LA if the name was not known. The last time I went to one of these "gay" bars it was a drag show full of talent-less RuPaul rejects and about 90% of the audience looked like straight woman who dragged their husbands there. You bring that many straight people into a gay bar something bad is bound to happen.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | November 20, 2022 11:48 AM |
[quote] rightwingers about how drag = gay = trans = pedo,
I can't imagine a sensible parent who would expose their child to a drag show. I also wonder about adults who find exposing children to drag shows "acceptable adult behavior".
by Anonymous | reply 63 | November 20, 2022 11:50 AM |
David is your gun loaded. I'm scared.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | November 20, 2022 11:51 AM |
To those who defend the Q/trans agenda. Please fuck off. I will block everyone of you. This was a GAY HATE CRIME. Gay men were the target.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | November 20, 2022 11:52 AM |
r63 That's because you're part of the large contingent of closet Republicans spreading homophobia on Datalounge everyday, you shameless cunt.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | November 20, 2022 11:53 AM |
[quote]To those who defend the Q/trans agenda. Please fuck off. I will block everyone of you.
Nobody gives a shit who you block. And what even is this "Q/trans" agenda thing? Are you talking about Q loons and their weird anti-trans agenda? Because you sound like a Q loon yourself, so this is very confusing to me.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | November 20, 2022 11:55 AM |
r65 Give it a rest, Matt Anscher. Why can't you just post your viewpoint once and get it out of your system? Why ruin every thread with this obsessive repetition of the same idea again and again?
by Anonymous | reply 68 | November 20, 2022 11:55 AM |
America has a fun problem, thatâs true. America also has a problem called the Republican Party, Theyâve been ratcheting up the hate towards us for the past couple of years to the extent that things like this are inevitable. Calling us âgroomersâ out to convert or molest their children sets off some in their ignorant base. The vilification of drag queens, of all things, is making unhinged heads explode. In an attack like this I donât think arguing over whether it was trans or gays is important. This is the intersection of hate rhetoric and gun culture. GOP - this is on you.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | November 20, 2022 11:58 AM |
R53, the shooting happened at a night that the club had dedicated to Transgender Remembrance Day and the promotional poster indicated that the performers that night would include many different gender identities. I donât know who the victims were but I believe in this context they were not only gay men.
The same promotional poster for the 8 pm adult event also mentioned a G rated show that was happening at midday and open to the general public. Itâs possible that the promotional material for the midday show contributed to the violence because they used the phrase âall agesâ to promote it. And it has become a hot button political issue to make it a crime to bring kids to drag shows, even ones specifically meant to be G rated.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | November 20, 2022 12:00 PM |
Someone shot up Club Q, called "Q" for "queer," on a night with a drag performance and the day before an all-ages show.
Rightwing nutjobs have gone out of their way to equate trans and drag and gay and pedos, saying that gays shouldn't be allowed to teach because they're pedo groomers just like trans are, that gay drag queens are trans pedos who are grooming kids in libraries, etc. They also try to divide us by saying that the use of the word "queer" is homophobic and, just like the troll on this thread, believe the "queer agenda" and the "trans agenda" are exactly the same.
So let's just stop pretending like the shooter in this case couldn't possibly be a psychopath who believes that they were taking out members of the "Q/trans agenda," just like our very own troll in this thread.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | November 20, 2022 12:00 PM |
[quote] That's because you're part of the large contingent of closet Republicans spreading homophobia on Datalounge
R66 You really need to look up what the word "homophobia" means. Hint: It has zip to do with exposing children to drag shows.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | November 20, 2022 12:01 PM |
[quote]America has a fun problem, thatâs true.
It IS fun!
by Anonymous | reply 74 | November 20, 2022 12:01 PM |
The Qs on both sides are terrible
by Anonymous | reply 75 | November 20, 2022 12:01 PM |
Q for Quazy!
by Anonymous | reply 76 | November 20, 2022 12:03 PM |
[Quote]In 2011, the FBI reported 1,572 hate crime victims targeted based on a sexual orientation bias, making up 20.4% of the total hate crimes for that year. Of the total victims, 56.7% were targeted based on anti-male homosexual bias, 29.6% were targeted based on anti-homosexual bias, and 11.1% were targeted based on anti-female homosexual bias.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | November 20, 2022 12:04 PM |
Sorry for the unfortunate typo. I should have caught that.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | November 20, 2022 12:04 PM |
r75 Q is an exclusively right-wing phenomenon, troll. It was created as a pro-Trump online movement based in anti-Democratic Party conspiracy theories.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | November 20, 2022 12:05 PM |
Thank you to all who defend the queer/trannies on this thread. I'm blocking each and every one of you. It takes some fucking balls to shift the focus to the trannies on a thread about a GAY HATE CRIME. It's almost like you support trannies more than gay men. Fucking shameful.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | November 20, 2022 12:06 PM |
r75 thinks massacres are okay as long as gays who use the word "queer" are murdered.
He also got so pissy in the Idaho murders threads after making dumb jokes that fell flat, that he complained about posts that had links to actual news articles in them. He doesn't make a lot of sense. I get that he thinks he's being edgy and/or funny but he's just kind of stupid.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | November 20, 2022 12:07 PM |
"Trans" is an exclusively "right-wing phenomenon". Being shoveled as "liberal" and "progressive".
by Anonymous | reply 82 | November 20, 2022 12:07 PM |
[Quote]funny how transgender people are often seen as more important than gay people now.
This. If it had been an attack on a trans bar and trannies had been killed you would bet your ass it would be all over the news, but because it's a gay club with gay male patrons people don't care. Gay men are on the bottom of the oppression totem pole. Sad but true.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | November 20, 2022 12:10 PM |
r82 = Republican Nazi troll. It's dying that we waste time refuting his every brain fart and not discussing the role that GOP rhetoric this year likely played in this massacre.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | November 20, 2022 12:10 PM |
Homosexuality confuses heteros, but Transgenderism doesn't, so of course they'll fawn all over it.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | November 20, 2022 12:11 PM |
As with other mass shootings, until the perp is known and identified, there are people who are way over invested in ideological conflicts, who are hoping that the perp is a member of a group they oppose so they can score a "moral victory" for their side of the conflict.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | November 20, 2022 12:11 PM |
F&F R12
by Anonymous | reply 87 | November 20, 2022 12:12 PM |
Just tragic.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | November 20, 2022 12:14 PM |
R58 Awwww...he sounds like Ferdinand the Bull.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | November 20, 2022 12:14 PM |
R84 Yes, I understand it's far easier to spew childish pejoratives than to engage your one functioning brain cell and THINK about the assertion at R82.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | November 20, 2022 12:14 PM |
This is Datalounge, there's no benefit in lying for a "moral victory" here, r86. You're projecting a hell of a lot on those of us who are simply speaking the truth: that hate speech has caused mass shootings before, and very well could have caused one this time, too.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | November 20, 2022 12:15 PM |
If its taking so much tome to reveal info on the killer I feel this might be much more complicated than just a white male christian straight cobservative perp. Just sayin....
by Anonymous | reply 93 | November 20, 2022 12:17 PM |
R62 Possibly because gay bars are losing money due to online apps and seeking a way to stay viable?
by Anonymous | reply 94 | November 20, 2022 12:18 PM |
R90 Funny, the GOP didn't mind voting heavily for Muslim Dr. Oz though.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | November 20, 2022 12:18 PM |
You're drunk and stupid r93.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | November 20, 2022 12:18 PM |
r93 Every time your kind says this, and every time you turn out to be wrong.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | November 20, 2022 12:18 PM |
WTF are you talking about R81? You're unhinged. Did your wound Dehist?
by Anonymous | reply 98 | November 20, 2022 12:19 PM |
When this turns out to be a hate crime, r86 will simply not log in with that particular sock puppet account for a few days.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | November 20, 2022 12:20 PM |
This is terrible
by Anonymous | reply 100 | November 20, 2022 12:20 PM |
R83 people are just waking up. Give it time.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | November 20, 2022 12:20 PM |
Again, r98/r75 makes it clear that he has no problem with hate crimes, as long as they're committed against the people he personally hates.
I love that Datalounge is full of people like him. It's great. I see no way this could go wrong.
Anyway totally unrelated but remember when the guy who committed the mass shooting in Boston had a manifesto with "drop the T" rhetoric that sounded exactly like what was posted here on DL?
by Anonymous | reply 102 | November 20, 2022 12:22 PM |
I hope Muriel will take action against the people ruining this thread - we can't even discuss an anti-gay hate crime without Repigs and anti-drag loons trolling every moment to create distractions about the debate that needs to be had about right-wing extremism.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | November 20, 2022 12:22 PM |
Because this mass-shooting coincides with Transgender Day of Remembrance, the FBI will most-likely classify this as "Anti-Trans Hate" â NOT "Anti-Gay Hate."
But the efforts of the gay community and the work on behalf of Matthew Shepard's murder enshrined these classifications.
This is most likely Anti-Trans motivated.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | November 20, 2022 12:23 PM |
How will the SVU rippled from headlines version of this play out:
Location of bar changed to Nevada from CO, to protect the innocent. Suspected white supremacist shoots up gay club. Perp allowed to board domestic flight to NYC after shooting because of TSA boo boo. Finn disses Homeland Security after phone call ends.
Benson butts heads with Feds in turf war because Feds want to handle case. Finally compromise is reached where federal agent assigned to shadow SVU because perp is looking to attack a new LGTBTQ club in NYC. While tense at first, Benson develops grudging respect for the male agent. Amanda faints during foot chase of perp and Carisi tells her that she should really consider another career. Muncie takes down perp single-handedly. But after the perp in custody last minute news that Feds are giving him immunity to flip on higher ups in the White Supremacisit org. Benson and Federal agent commiserate over drinks at bar...and then share a brief kiss.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | November 20, 2022 12:24 PM |
[quote]Every time Colorado Springs is mentioned on the Datalounge, someone calls it a "conservative shithole".
Because it IS, R14.
Why are you so offended?
by Anonymous | reply 106 | November 20, 2022 12:25 PM |
[quote] Multiple gunshots are old news, the hot trendy mass killers use knives and get the media attention they demand!
I'm grimly laughing, r50.
You're remark here so accurately captures how obscene the USA is with its disregard to gun violence and accessibility to guns, and with all violence, no matter what weapon is sued to perpetrate it.
During the immediate aftermath of Sandy Hook, I nursed hope. "This is it", I thought. "Finally, we'll place the 2nd Amendment in its proper perspective. Still, it's just like this damn country that it took the deaths of these schoolchildren to motivate it".
Nope.
Since then, I've conditioned myself, internalized the reality, that I could be, at any moment, even while sitting in my home even though I have no firearms under my roof, killed or maimed by bullets.
I have only one wish - Finish me off. I have no desire to so-called "survive" with debilitating, incapacitating bullet wounds.
Profits-making by guns manufacturers wins. I've surrendered.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | November 20, 2022 12:30 PM |
What does ârippled from the headlinesâ meanâ?
by Anonymous | reply 108 | November 20, 2022 12:31 PM |
R63, there can be G rated versions of almost anything. Cinderella has a romance story; itâs not pornography.
A G rated show that includes drag is not pornography either.
There has been a political push to show drag itself as evil.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | November 20, 2022 12:32 PM |
Can we perhaps wait until we know anything more than the absolute basics before we get into a mudfight about this? Ffs
by Anonymous | reply 110 | November 20, 2022 12:33 PM |
Itâs almost like someone wanted *something* to actually remember on Transgender Day of Remembrance.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | November 20, 2022 12:34 PM |
Eat shit and die you fucking stick up your ass priss cunt FUCK R63.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | November 20, 2022 12:35 PM |
Horrible horrible news to wake up to. Sometimes I truly hate my fellow humans.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | November 20, 2022 12:35 PM |
Who goes to gay bars anymore? Isn't that what Grindr and Scruff are for?
by Anonymous | reply 114 | November 20, 2022 12:36 PM |
^Mostly they go for drag shows, apparently.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | November 20, 2022 12:37 PM |
Is the Hide and Seek bar still open in Colo Spgs (gay bar active in the late 70s) Thx in advance
by Anonymous | reply 116 | November 20, 2022 12:37 PM |
It could very well be a hate crime, as signs points to that based on setting of the shooting and political rhetoric against the LGBTQ+ communities. But until we learn more about who the killer is, it's just speculation, and there seems to be a whiff in this speculation of "I hope it's a Republican so that way I can score points in arguing with people on Datalounge/social media". And of course right wingers are hoping the perpetrator will be Muslim, or Black,or a member of the LGBTQ+ community because if that were the case, then their ideological enemy combatants will shut up and they can use their sudden sllence against them in their ongoing war. And so it goes. It's tedious.
But on the off chance it's not a hate crime (for instance,maybe it was a recently fired employee who decided to shoot up the place to get revenge for being let go) against gay men and/or transgenders and/or drag queens and/or LGBTQ+, etc, then what? Will you be disappointed that the perp wasn't your on line ideological enemy combatant? And same question for right wingers who are hoping that the perpetrator is a member of one of the groups they regard as an enemy to their tribe? Will you be disappointed? Or will you make excuses or find evidence that in 2011 they tweeted something vaguely pro Obama so you can dismiss them as a liberal, or just state the whole incident was a false flag operation with crisis actors and it's all a fake conspiracy to make your tribe look bad?
by Anonymous | reply 117 | November 20, 2022 12:37 PM |
[quote]The club was hosting a drag show on Saturday night compered by a local drag artist called Delusion Al, who tweeted after the shooting: âI never thought this would happen to me and my bar. I donât know what to do with myself. I canât stop hearing the shots. Walking through the bar that I call my home and seeing itâŚâŚ like that... I hate this so much. I hate this so fucking much.â
Wow. Very sad.
by Anonymous | reply 118 | November 20, 2022 12:37 PM |
r110, answer this honestly, please: you're on a gay board, and there's been a mass murder at a gay bar. Why would you tell people that it's premature to suspect the shooting was deliberately at a gay bar?
by Anonymous | reply 119 | November 20, 2022 12:38 PM |
R109 Which has absolutely nothing to do with exposing children to situations they are not able to handle mentally/emotionally. It's not pornography or evil, it's COMMON SENSE.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | November 20, 2022 12:40 PM |
[quote]"I hope it's a Republican so that way I can score points in arguing with people on Datalounge/social media".
Again, you're projecting, r117.
Your argument only makes sense if we didn't already have an absolute flood of homophobic and rightwing hate crimes to reference, if we so wanted to.
The final sentences of your post make it clear that you've already started the rightwing conspiracy theory talking points. You're already accusing people of taking a single tweet out of context and blaming this poor innocent mass murderer unfairly of being a rightwinger.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | November 20, 2022 12:41 PM |
You are a ridiculous person, r120
by Anonymous | reply 122 | November 20, 2022 12:41 PM |
This makes me sick. I'm so tired of this. These mass shootings are so common now and are treated as such in the news. There are shootings that aren't even reported, maybe locally. What's the threshold of deaths now to be newsworthy and horrifying?....3, 5 or more? Another day in violent America.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | November 20, 2022 12:44 PM |
Cunt Fuck R86/R117 tries too hard to defend hatred.
Why are you on this thread? Eat shit and die Cunt FUCK R86/R117.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | November 20, 2022 12:45 PM |
FWIW, The NYT is referring to it as an "L.G.B.T.Q. Nightclub" not a "gay bar."
by Anonymous | reply 125 | November 20, 2022 12:46 PM |
Colorado Springs is next to the US Air Force Academy. Both of them are high density for Evangelical Right Wing LGBT hate. Remember that only white men should be pilots.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | November 20, 2022 12:47 PM |
Colorado Springs is very very right wing. It's also home to Focus on the Family.
It's a very charming little town, and obviously some sane people live there, but they are dwarfed by the kind of right wing loons that would pull a stunt like this.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | November 20, 2022 12:49 PM |
Shakespeare in itâs early time had drag as well as most early theater. Vaudeville had extensive drag. Early film utilized drag and continues to from Tony Curtis to Dustin Hoffman to Patrick Swyazee. TV had extensive drag with Milton Berle, Flip Wilson, Monty Python, Kids in the Hall, beloved national treasure Tom Hanks, and more. Why the fuck are people now so scared of drag, itâs been embedded in Western culture and some Eastern Cultures for over 500 plus years?
by Anonymous | reply 128 | November 20, 2022 12:49 PM |
R122 = Kidless
by Anonymous | reply 129 | November 20, 2022 12:49 PM |
No R116 it has been closed for years. It was open when I was in high school (90's) so it must have had a good, long run.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | November 20, 2022 12:50 PM |
Not now R105. Too soon, too soon!
by Anonymous | reply 131 | November 20, 2022 12:51 PM |
A friend in Denver told me itâs terrifying how many people there have guns. And Denver is more liberal than Colorado Springs.
This could happen anywhere in the US at this point though. So awful.
RIP.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | November 20, 2022 12:52 PM |
Whatâs up with the NYTimes style code still needing periods after each letter in LGBTQ, who does that anymore?
by Anonymous | reply 133 | November 20, 2022 12:52 PM |
[QUOTE] t's a very charming little town, and obviously some sane people live there, but they are dwarfed by the kind of right wing loons that would pull a stunt like this.
No, there was one person "who would pull a stunt like this". And we don't even know if they are from Colorado Springs.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | November 20, 2022 12:53 PM |
R119
My point is not so much about whether it was a hate crime or not, but whether the target was mainly gay men or trans people, whether the perpetrator was MAGA or Islamist/Farrakhanite, and so on
by Anonymous | reply 135 | November 20, 2022 12:54 PM |
[quote] And Denver is more liberal than Colorado Springs.
Deepest Alabama is more liberal than Colorado Springs.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | November 20, 2022 12:56 PM |
R129 No shit, this is a gay forum, most people here are kidless. Go back to whatever Frauhole Mumsnet forum you crawled out of, hateful breeder.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | November 20, 2022 12:59 PM |
Were any MTFs murdered or shot at the club?
by Anonymous | reply 138 | November 20, 2022 1:03 PM |
r90, nowhere on that chart does it list gay men, lesbians, or bisexuals. And then there are gay men of color, Jewish lesbians, etc. So TOTAL FAIL.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | November 20, 2022 1:11 PM |
[quote] That's because you're part of the large contingent of closet Republicans spreading homophobia on Datalounge everyday, you shameless cunt.
Large contingent lol. Itâs one person with a LOT of free time on his hands.
by Anonymous | reply 141 | November 20, 2022 1:22 PM |
R109, any show where the main costuming focus is 'hide the dick and make sure the fake tits are propped up' is not Cinderalla comparable.
And, who knew there were gay male incel MRAs. To the idiot going on and on about this being an attack on gay males, maybe you should wait until you see who did it and who died before opening your big fat yap.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | November 20, 2022 1:24 PM |
The entire state of colorado has become a shithole , ask the old time residents there.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | November 20, 2022 1:28 PM |
Wikipedia has all the details on the U.S. Congressman, Doug Lamborn, who has represented CO-District 5 for a decade an half. No surprise: a racist; homophobic; climate change, COVID, and 2020 Election-denying pig.
Co Spgs is filled with tens of thousands of Deplorables, who consistently vote him in office, who won't be grieving at this massacre.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | November 20, 2022 1:32 PM |
When I first clicked on r21 and r69's CNN link, it referred to a gay nightclub, as can still be seen in the URL. The TQ+ hall monitor moderators must have started their shift since the article was first posted and and demanded that the article be edited to erase the gay away and replace it with the only permissible "LGBTQ".
by Anonymous | reply 145 | November 20, 2022 1:35 PM |
by Anonymous | reply 146 | November 20, 2022 1:35 PM |
No news organization would call something a gay nightclub these days, their guidebooks would tell them to label it LGBTQ
by Anonymous | reply 147 | November 20, 2022 1:36 PM |
R120, it was a musical drag brunch. Like a dinner theater or a Broadway play. And some news articles have mentioned that it was done with a sniper rifle, which makes it seem like a premeditated hate crime. How could someone think that seeing a musical drag brunch specifically meant to be family friendly is something that kids canât handle but mass murder is something kids can handle?
by Anonymous | reply 148 | November 20, 2022 1:38 PM |
[quote] FWIW, The NYT is referring to it as an "L.G.B.T.Q. Nightclub" not a "gay bar."
Chase Strangio making a call to the NY Times editor.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | November 20, 2022 1:40 PM |
The media needs to address the real crimes here: Were any Trannies misgendered, and how many??
by Anonymous | reply 150 | November 20, 2022 1:41 PM |
R148, I thought the shooting happened on Saturday night, when there was indeed a drag show, not at the brunch.
Drag is crude sexual stand-up humour, it's not meant to be "family friendly". There was an obvious motive in trying to turn drag into something targeted at children.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | November 20, 2022 1:41 PM |
R151
Oh, fuck you.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | November 20, 2022 1:43 PM |
What exactly is an "LGBTQ" nightclub? What exactly is the common entertainment/social factor that brings together such diverse groups with diverse interests as lesbians, gay men, bisexual men and women, trans and people who like to call themselves queer?
by Anonymous | reply 153 | November 20, 2022 1:44 PM |
[quote] it was a musical drag brunch. Like a dinner theater or a Broadway play
R148 Which has zip to do with exposing children to situations they aren't equipped to handle.
[quote] ow could someone think that seeing a musical drag brunch specifically meant to be family friendly is something that kids canât handle but mass murder is something kids can handle?
There were no children in that club at midnight.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | November 20, 2022 1:45 PM |
I woke up to a news notification on my phone at it was described as a âgay nightclubâ.
by Anonymous | reply 155 | November 20, 2022 1:46 PM |
The Libsoftiktok loon is taking the day to target yet another drag event... IN COLORADO.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | November 20, 2022 1:46 PM |
The straight homophobes on this forum reveal themselves everytime.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | November 20, 2022 1:47 PM |
R152, what exactly is your objection to what I said?
Drag was always crude, sexualised stand-up humour by gay men for gay men. The trans hated drag at first, but they managed to colonise it in the way they've colonised everything else gay, and then tried to turn it into a "family-friendly show" (i.e. they stripped drag of everything it ever meant or symbolised and made it not something specifically gay but something that was "LGBTQ") in order to make trans ideology more acceptable and brainwash the younger generation into their trans ideology. There's also the problem of some of the performers at these "children's" drag shows been far too sexually dressed.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | November 20, 2022 1:49 PM |
You mean the trans ideologues who hate homosexuality, r157.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | November 20, 2022 1:49 PM |
Almost all the major news outlets have "LGBTQ club" in their headlines. The Guardian, being on the other side of the world, seems not 'updated' and still used 'gay nightclub'.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | November 20, 2022 1:50 PM |
Stochastic terrorism at its finest. We're at about stage 6 of the 10 stages of genocide.
by Anonymous | reply 161 | November 20, 2022 1:50 PM |
The sad, broken, Unfuckable Muppet is all over this thread.
by Anonymous | reply 162 | November 20, 2022 1:51 PM |
R159
Go back to Breitbart. I hate that Muriel has allowed you far-right trolls to overtake this forum.
by Anonymous | reply 163 | November 20, 2022 1:51 PM |
Datalounge has become a nightmare. An anti-gay and, likely, anti-drag mass crime takes place, and 80% of the people here are indulging in the same rhetoric that likely led to this place or losing their minds over some irrelevant semantic shit about acronyms and the word queer.
by Anonymous | reply 164 | November 20, 2022 1:52 PM |
R160 It's difficult to know if the media are using LGBTQ per agenda or simply replicating existing reportage. More likely, the latter.
by Anonymous | reply 165 | November 20, 2022 1:52 PM |
R160, the LA Times and Reuters are calling it a gay nightclub.
by Anonymous | reply 166 | November 20, 2022 1:53 PM |
Never ceases to amaze me how people will argue and allow themselves to get so angry when the basic facts aren't even in yet. Wait a few hours and we'll know the identity of the gunman and probably a motive.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | November 20, 2022 1:53 PM |
R164 80 percent of the comments are made by the same loony unhinged poster/posters.
by Anonymous | reply 168 | November 20, 2022 1:53 PM |
I've never seen any club classified as an LGBTQ club before. This is all due to stupidity because the morons think gay and LGBTQ are synonyms. They are not.
by Anonymous | reply 169 | November 20, 2022 1:54 PM |
Yes, let's argue over words and language, instead of pulling together to fight whatever evil forces attacked us.
That will certainly allow us to win this battle!
/s
by Anonymous | reply 170 | November 20, 2022 1:56 PM |
I'm not really a fan of the people who keep telling us we're not allowed to talk about this because we don't have "enough facts yet."
You never see them on any other threads where there's breaking news and people are speculating.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | November 20, 2022 1:57 PM |
r169
by Anonymous | reply 172 | November 20, 2022 1:57 PM |
[quote] 80 percent of the comments are made by the same loony unhinged poster/posters.
R168 You mean those posters spewing invective at anyone with whom they disagree?
by Anonymous | reply 173 | November 20, 2022 1:57 PM |
How can a drag show at a nightclub that sells booze be called family-friendly? I hope there were no children there last night. We need the identities of the victims and of the killer.
by Anonymous | reply 174 | November 20, 2022 1:57 PM |
[quote]Horrific. America really really must do something about its gun control problem. This will never stop otherwise.
Unfortunately we're never going to be able to get rid of that fucking Second Amendment.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | November 20, 2022 1:57 PM |
R169
The club is literally called âClub Qâ.
You far-right trolls are so ridiculous. Muriel needs to get rid of yâall.
by Anonymous | reply 176 | November 20, 2022 1:57 PM |
[quote]Drag was always crude,[bold] sexualised[/bold] stand-up [bold]humour [/bold] by gay men for gay men.
There was a whole thread on here yesterday of people insisting that our trolls weren't British.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | November 20, 2022 1:59 PM |
Admittedly, judging from its Facebook page, Club Q is all about drag and they don't seem to like to use the word gay. They were also going to have a "family-friendly" Transgender Day of Remembrance brunch today. Does that make it a trans club (if you consider all drag performers to be trans)? A gay club (drag traditionally being a thing gay men did)? Because there's no such thing as an "LGBTQ club".
Anyway, it's an awful thing to have happened.
by Anonymous | reply 178 | November 20, 2022 2:00 PM |
I remember a gay bar that was named Q Bar in some city. G Bar doesn't sound as cool.
by Anonymous | reply 179 | November 20, 2022 2:00 PM |
[quote] ) in order to make trans ideology more acceptable and brainwash the younger generation into their trans ideology. There's also the problem of some of the performers at these "children's" drag shows been far too sexually dressed.
That's exactly what it's doing. It is a Trojan Horse.
The opposition to targeting children is legitimate and in no way has to be based on hate.
If someone started shooting up a NAMBLA gathering would you demand people stop condemning pedos? No, you wouldn't. You'd condemn the shooter as a murderer. Period.
Of course, this just gives the homophobic & Pedo "transing away the gay" crowd ammo to go after those exposing them for what they are.
by Anonymous | reply 180 | November 20, 2022 2:01 PM |
I just can't anymore. Right before Thanksgiving holiday...
by Anonymous | reply 181 | November 20, 2022 2:02 PM |
Queer no longer means gay.
by Anonymous | reply 182 | November 20, 2022 2:02 PM |
The club does feature all ages drag brunches in the afternoon, but this shooting was at midnight on a Saturday night where it was 18+ to get in.
by Anonymous | reply 183 | November 20, 2022 2:02 PM |
Yes, I'm British r177. DL is on a thing called the internet which means that people from all over the world can access it. It may come as a shock to you, but people from outside the US are not all trolls.
Are you disputing the fact drag was always crude, sexualised stand-up humour by gay men for gay men? Until some tried for their own reasons to turn it into something else.
by Anonymous | reply 184 | November 20, 2022 2:03 PM |
[quote]they don't seem to like to use the word gay.
Why?
by Anonymous | reply 185 | November 20, 2022 2:03 PM |
The trolls are now implying that the victims were basically NAMBLA members. That's fun. I love knowing that our first breaking news thread about this is going to be deleted because the trolls have gotten out of hand again.
Muriel, is there any way you can just delete the troll replies and not the whole thread, for once? Is that even possible?
by Anonymous | reply 186 | November 20, 2022 2:04 PM |
R154, yes, there were no children in the club at midnight but anyone who was looking forward to going out to a musical brunch this morning is likely to find out why it didnât happen. Real life violence. I still remember nightmares from R rated movies I accidentally saw on television as a kid. The same people who are acting like drag is dangerous for the mind have no problem glamorizing guns or allowing young people on shooting ranges.
by Anonymous | reply 187 | November 20, 2022 2:04 PM |
Do we know anything about the killer?
by Anonymous | reply 188 | November 20, 2022 2:04 PM |
R185, because the transtapo will attack them if they say gay.
R186, it's the trans themselves that got in bed with the NAMBLA loons.
by Anonymous | reply 189 | November 20, 2022 2:06 PM |
R186, who said anything about NAMBLA? You're making shit up.
by Anonymous | reply 190 | November 20, 2022 2:07 PM |
by Anonymous | reply 191 | November 20, 2022 2:08 PM |
Very true, r187. They're not condemning the massacre, the shooting doesn't bother them one bit, it's that drag may have been happening near kids and that means gays are pedos and SAVE THE CHILDREN!!! blah blah
At no point are they saying "many of these victims had children or were close to children in their families, and children will be hearing about this on the news, and we should be concerned about this."
by Anonymous | reply 192 | November 20, 2022 2:08 PM |
"Knowing USA and the gun problem the shooter could be anyone."
Well smell you, Mary!
by Anonymous | reply 193 | November 20, 2022 2:09 PM |
[quote] The same people who are acting like drag is dangerous for the mind
R187 Drag is dangerous for a CHILD'S mind and well-being. Anyone with a modicum of common sense would realize that.
by Anonymous | reply 194 | November 20, 2022 2:09 PM |
[quote] Are you disputing the fact drag was always crude, sexualised stand-up humour by gay men for gay men? Until some tried for their own reasons to turn it into something else.
I was seeing drag queens on extremely square family entertainment shows on German tv as a child in the 80s.
by Anonymous | reply 195 | November 20, 2022 2:09 PM |
R188, heavy.com will probably have info before anybody else. They're good at getting info like that.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | November 20, 2022 2:09 PM |
The last Instagram post was:
[quote]Letâs prep for a fantastic Sunday Funday!
[quote]Doors open at 11am for our noon ALL AGES DRAG BRUNCH!!! Join us for a fantastic drink special and even more amazing drag show!
[quote]Then stick around for an all stars cast of our freshest faces! Weâre celebrating Transgender Day of Remembrance with a variety of gender identities and performance styles! Show starts at 8pm!
So, it's not really a gay club, although on some older posts it has the hashtag #gayclub.
by Anonymous | reply 197 | November 20, 2022 2:10 PM |
I saw Flip Wilson as Geraldine back in 1974 so of course I turned into a trannie pedo rapist psychopath, just like everyone else did.
by Anonymous | reply 198 | November 20, 2022 2:10 PM |
[quote][R187] Drag is dangerous for a CHILD'S mind and well-being. Anyone with a modicum of common sense would realize that.
Theyâre clowns, kids just laugh at them.
by Anonymous | reply 199 | November 20, 2022 2:10 PM |
I doubt it was a repub type white guy or they would have released his name already. Remember that fucking asshole who ran down those black guys outside of a gay bar in Chicago? It took a long time before they said who it was and we know why it took so long. And that case has been totally memory holed too.
by Anonymous | reply 200 | November 20, 2022 2:12 PM |
The police have been describing it as a "hate attack" for hours, so all of the "we don't know the facts yet" people can go lick a light socket.
by Anonymous | reply 201 | November 20, 2022 2:12 PM |
[quote] Theyâre clowns, kids just laugh at them.
R199 Uh, no. They most certainly aren't. They are overly sexualized adult men. Disconcerting, even frightening, to a child who has no limited experience of adult male sexuality.
by Anonymous | reply 202 | November 20, 2022 2:13 PM |
r190, it's at r180, and also go fuck yourself.
by Anonymous | reply 203 | November 20, 2022 2:13 PM |
I mean, they usually will say right away when it's a white guy, other times you won't hear a peep.
by Anonymous | reply 204 | November 20, 2022 2:14 PM |
Go okay in traffic and die r202. I don't come to a gay board after our community was attacked to listen to trolls like you trying to derail the thread with your bullshit.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | November 20, 2022 2:14 PM |
Lol r198, I'm not as old as you so had never heard of Geraldine before and looked her up, but that isn't drag.
Club Q is a nightclub. Its drag shows are held at night for adults. Sometimes, it seems, those same adult drag performers do Sunday brunch family drag shows at the same premises.
by Anonymous | reply 206 | November 20, 2022 2:15 PM |
Press conference. Thoughts and prayers.
by Anonymous | reply 207 | November 20, 2022 2:16 PM |
R203, r180 is not saying they are NAMBLA members, they are giving a comparison with NAMBLA. Comparisons are not the same as saying two things are exactly the same.
by Anonymous | reply 208 | November 20, 2022 2:17 PM |
R205 doesn't realize that this is an adult discussion board and not a re-education camp where he's the comandante.
by Anonymous | reply 209 | November 20, 2022 2:17 PM |
R205, it seems this was an attack on the drag community, not the gay male community.
by Anonymous | reply 210 | November 20, 2022 2:18 PM |
R208
Oh, fuck off. Muriel, come take out the trash.
by Anonymous | reply 211 | November 20, 2022 2:18 PM |
r208 There's a reason that sick fuck picked hat comparison when you could have chosen dozens of others. And all the talk about drag queens being a danger to children can only mean one thing. You know all that, crazy cunt.
by Anonymous | reply 212 | November 20, 2022 2:18 PM |
R190 claims to be a lesbian and does nothing but post anti-trans shit all over the board.
R202 isn't gay, it's a straight lady who is all over the Meghan threads and anti-trans threads, and complaining about the "black racists from LSA" on several threads as well.
by Anonymous | reply 213 | November 20, 2022 2:18 PM |
Gay for the past half a century has meant two things:
1. Gay as a term for homosexual men
2. Gay as an umbrella terms for the LGBTQ+ community
Obvious Gay become the umbrella terms because men have always positioned themselves first and demanded the most attention, be they Gay or straight.
Now we have the chance to have Gay move back to being exclusively about men, which some of you on this thread would seem to be very happy about, claim Gay for the guys. This way we know which group we are talking about.
And we have the ability to use Queer and LGBTQ+ as umbrella terms and be more inclusive of everyone under that umbrella. In its own way Gay is a very patriarchal term, so itâs understandable that many people under that umbrella would not be comfortable with it.
I get that Queer is loaded and was hurtful to some, but thatâs no different than what Gay was before it was reclaimed. If people moved passed to embrace Gay as an umbrella term, thereâs no reason we canât move forward to embracing Queer as an umbrella term.
by Anonymous | reply 214 | November 20, 2022 2:19 PM |
âPolice identified the suspect as Anderson Lee Aldridge, a 22-year-old man. He was injured and subdued, authorities said, after firing with a âlong gun.â They are investigating the motive.â
From the Washington Post.
by Anonymous | reply 215 | November 20, 2022 2:21 PM |
I don't want to be called Queer. It's hurtful.
The feelings of people you disagree with do not matter to you.
by Anonymous | reply 216 | November 20, 2022 2:22 PM |
Yes r213, I am a lesbian and, hence a woman, so, yeah, I am in a position to say that transwomen are not women, lesbians do not have penises and women are not particularly impressed by drag queens' weird impersonations of us.
None of that means that anyone should be shot and killed and only a fucking idiot would try to link legitimate concerns about trans ideology with shooting people.
by Anonymous | reply 217 | November 20, 2022 2:23 PM |
[quote]I'm not as old as you so had never heard of Geraldine before and looked her up, but that isn't drag.
You're a long-time anti-trans troll, and Geraldine is brought up all over DL, Twitter, and other social media as an example of drag, along with Monty Python and other similar examples, so you have clearly heard the reference before. No one thinks you haven't. I get that you think you're being really clever with some sly ad hominem, but the truth is that your posting history reveals you're an obsessive anti-trans troll who posts on other social media about trans, too, so we're not buying this act of yours.
Given that you and the person who brought up NAMBLA have said the exact same things on this thread multiple times, I think it's a good chance you're both accounts, because that's the level of troll you are. You have no life, posting hate about trans online is the only thing you do, and it's painfully obvious.
by Anonymous | reply 218 | November 20, 2022 2:23 PM |
Gay was never a slur though R214, it never had to be reclaimed. I mean it's great that you decree we should get over the hard feelings and embrace the term but not everyone agrees with that.
by Anonymous | reply 219 | November 20, 2022 2:24 PM |
Anderson Lee Aldrich was known to authorities. Arrested last year for a homemade bomb.
by Anonymous | reply 220 | November 20, 2022 2:24 PM |
It's not that "queer" is loaded and hurtful to some. It's more that it has become a term so broad that is becoming basically meaningless. When any dingbat with a nose ring is "queer" it's a useless term. And gay was never an umbrella term including anybody who ever felt remotely different from their parents or society. It always had a connotation of same-sex attraction. (Well, not always, but for the past 70 years or so.)
by Anonymous | reply 221 | November 20, 2022 2:25 PM |
Coincidence that this happens at the same time Sleazon Musky is busy owning the libtards and reinstating Twitler?
by Anonymous | reply 222 | November 20, 2022 2:26 PM |
R194, women were dressing as men to play Hamlet more than 100 years ago and a lot of schools back then had Shakespeare style cross dressing when they put on plays, which didnât destroy anyoneâs mind. People understand that part of culture is playing roles, in many different ways.
by Anonymous | reply 223 | November 20, 2022 2:26 PM |
Statement from Colorado's gay Governor:
[Quote]We are eternally grateful for the brave individuals who blocked the gunman likely saving lives in the process and for the first responders who responded swiftly to this horrific shooting," Polis, a Democrat, said. "Colorado stands with our LGTBQ community and everyone impacted by this tragedy as we mourn together.â
by Anonymous | reply 224 | November 20, 2022 2:26 PM |
Is there an actual connection to Trans and this mass shooting? Or are posters here just making shit up?
by Anonymous | reply 225 | November 20, 2022 2:27 PM |
R219 Then you never went my high school thatâs for sure. People being called Gay is still very much a slur, visit any US middle school
by Anonymous | reply 226 | November 20, 2022 2:27 PM |
R223, that is NOT drag. Stop mixing-up all forms of cross-dressing with drag. Drag is something very specific.
by Anonymous | reply 227 | November 20, 2022 2:27 PM |
I'm guessing he hadn't even been tried for those charges yet, r220.
Heavy dot com has the photo. What were you racists saying about this being a black guy?
by Anonymous | reply 228 | November 20, 2022 2:27 PM |
Chief Adrian Vasquez of the Colorado Springs Police Department said the gunman began shooting as soon as he entered the nightclub. He said at least two people inside, whose actions he described as heroic, helped subdue the gunman.
Chief Vasquez said the gunman used a long rifle. Two guns were recovered at the club, he said, adding that investigators were working to determine a motive for the attack.
Mayor John Suthers of Colorado Springs praised the club patrons who had helped to subdue the gunman, saying âtheir actions clearly saved lives.â
Chief Adrian Vasquez of the Colorado Springs Police Department identified the suspect they have in custody as Anderson Lee Aldrich, 22.
by Anonymous | reply 229 | November 20, 2022 2:28 PM |
Gay not a slur. Queer is, and was used to by gay men as an affront on homophobia, but not today.
by Anonymous | reply 230 | November 20, 2022 2:28 PM |
"Q" stands for "Qleen," as in "Qleen semen to Savor."
by Anonymous | reply 231 | November 20, 2022 2:28 PM |
Oh yeah R221, it's that too, Nowadays if you see "queer" as a descriptor it's usually referring to a married white woman with green hair.
by Anonymous | reply 232 | November 20, 2022 2:29 PM |
What we know
-5 lives taken, at least 18 others injured
- Suspect IDed as 22-yr-old Anderson Lee Aldrich
- At least 2 fire arms found at the scene
- Mayor says one or more patrons "heroically intervened" to subdue the suspect
by Anonymous | reply 233 | November 20, 2022 2:29 PM |
R223 Women playing men's roles is NOT the same as highly sexualized adult men in female drag. Adults may understand role-playing. Children do not.
by Anonymous | reply 234 | November 20, 2022 2:29 PM |
R218, I'm not "anti" anyone. I just don't believe that men can become women, that lesbians have penises, or that we should teach little kids that they were born in the wrong body.
Are you claiming that this Geraldine was drag then? Because cross-dressing and drag are not the same thing.
by Anonymous | reply 235 | November 20, 2022 2:30 PM |
There is no known motive yet r225. However given the right wings current obsession with drag queens and this club focusing on drag performers its possible that was this twerp's motive if he moved in those online right wing circles. He looks like the type.
by Anonymous | reply 236 | November 20, 2022 2:32 PM |
[quote] Because cross-dressing and drag are not the same thing.
In the final analysis, they are exactly the same. Men in knickers, bra and a dress.
by Anonymous | reply 238 | November 20, 2022 2:32 PM |
Last year the suspected murderer, Anderson Lee Aldrich, had tried to blow his house up.
[quote]EL PASO COUNTY â Residents within a quarter-mile of the 6300 block of Pilgrimage Road in the Lorson Ranch neighborhood were evacuated Friday night by the El Paso County Sheriff's Office.
[quote]The Sheriff's office said the situation began around 2 p.m. Friday afternoon when they responded to a report of a bomb threat in the 9800 block of Rubicon Dr. The reporting party said her son was threatening to hurt her with a homemade bomb, multiple weapons, and ammunition. She was not in the home at the time when she made the call and was not sure where her son was.
[quote]According to the Sheriff's Office, deputies responded to the home and after further investigation realized the suspect, 21-year-old Anderson Lee Aldrich was in the 6300 block of Pilgrimage Road, approximately one mile away from Rubicon Dr. Deputies contacted Aldrich by phone and he refused to comply with orders to surrender.
by Anonymous | reply 239 | November 20, 2022 2:32 PM |
How many TQ+ have died?
by Anonymous | reply 240 | November 20, 2022 2:32 PM |
How the fuck was this guy back on the street? Does Colorado have those dumb bail reform laws too?
by Anonymous | reply 241 | November 20, 2022 2:34 PM |
How odd that none of the trolls are remarking on the shooter being a young white incel type with a history of terrorism.
by Anonymous | reply 242 | November 20, 2022 2:34 PM |
Re: R220
OF COURSE he was already "on law enforcement's radar". As per usual. Trash cunt!
by Anonymous | reply 243 | November 20, 2022 2:34 PM |
[quote] Last year the suspected murderer, Anderson Lee Aldrich, had tried to blow his house up.
Mentally ill white guy. End of story.
by Anonymous | reply 244 | November 20, 2022 2:34 PM |
by Anonymous | reply 245 | November 20, 2022 2:35 PM |
OK R236. I can accept that logic. I thought it was just more DL Trans obsession but maybe not.
by Anonymous | reply 246 | November 20, 2022 2:35 PM |
R242 Are you a mental health professional??
by Anonymous | reply 247 | November 20, 2022 2:36 PM |
Police have already said this was a hate crime. They don't throw words around like that -- they may not have the details, but they probably heard something anti-gay, anti-drag or anti-trans come out of the shooter's mouth.
by Anonymous | reply 248 | November 20, 2022 2:37 PM |
Depressing.
by Anonymous | reply 249 | November 20, 2022 2:37 PM |
If this was a case of a mentally ill white guy with a gun/grudge, why were the FBI called in?
by Anonymous | reply 250 | November 20, 2022 2:39 PM |
[quote]In the final analysis, they are exactly the same. Men in knickers, bra and a dress.
Are you saying that all drag queens are transwomen, then, r238?
by Anonymous | reply 251 | November 20, 2022 2:39 PM |
Police said this was a hate crime and the shooter tried to blow up his mother last year, with a homemade bomb and multiple weapons.
"Are you sure you're not just jumping to conclusions?" at this point is "I don't want to believe what happened because it doesn't fit into my personal worldview."
by Anonymous | reply 252 | November 20, 2022 2:41 PM |
R251
"Transwomen" = Men in dresses
"Drag queens" = Men in dresses
"Transgender" = Men in dresses
"Cross dressers" = Men in dresses
"Transsexuals" = Men in dresses
by Anonymous | reply 253 | November 20, 2022 2:41 PM |
[quote]In the final analysis, they are exactly the same. Men in knickers, bra and a dress.
And what exactly is wrong with that? Anybody should be allowed to wear whatever they want, whenever they want. I was out for a walk in my NYC neighborhood yesterday, and passed a store where a young woman inside was wearing skin tight leggings that hugged her butt cheeks and went deep into her ass crack, in full view of any child in the vicinity. I'll bet you have no problems with THAT kind of outfit.
by Anonymous | reply 255 | November 20, 2022 2:44 PM |
R242, I'm one of those called a troll and I also posted an article about the perp trying to bomb his house up. I'm not sure if that's terrorism or if his being white is relevant or even if he's an incel. Commenting on any of those things without further information would be weird, but he's certainly mentally unstable and has a history of violence. How he has access to firearms beats me. But that's America, I guess.
by Anonymous | reply 256 | November 20, 2022 2:44 PM |
I donât get why we canât keep better tabs on people with violent histories. Mass shooters are almost never random people, they always have a history of violence most often domestic violence. I get the issue with the gun debate, 2nd amendment blah blah, so why donât start by focusing on violent males?
by Anonymous | reply 257 | November 20, 2022 2:45 PM |
He kinda looks like the guy that exposes himself in those Target Twitters.
by Anonymous | reply 258 | November 20, 2022 2:46 PM |
The Center on Broadway (an "LGBTQ" community center in Denver) issued the following confusing statement:
"We are shocked and saddened to wake up to this tragic news of a senseless act of violence against the LGBTQ community. We are Freud-stricken on behalf of the friends and family of those who died and on behalf of the Colorado Springs community who are coping with these tragic losses at a time when many families are preparing to gather for the holidays."
What does Freud-stricken mean? I can't find anything defining that term. Freude in German means joy. I hope that they aren't joyful.
by Anonymous | reply 259 | November 20, 2022 2:46 PM |
Wtf, r228? That's a completely different guy from a completely different story. Are you a troll or a moron?
by Anonymous | reply 260 | November 20, 2022 2:47 PM |
They are stricken with the sudden urge to sleep with their mother? I don't get it either.
by Anonymous | reply 261 | November 20, 2022 2:47 PM |
R255 Go back and read R238 again. S L O W L Y. The original assertion was about cross dressing and drag queens. NO value judgement was asserted or implied.
by Anonymous | reply 262 | November 20, 2022 2:48 PM |
The point about jumping to conclusions, at least on my part, was that people here are doing the whole gay vs. t vs. drag fight YET AGAIN, and with such anger, when we don't even know his motive. Was he mad about T? Drag queen story hour? Anti-gay in general?
by Anonymous | reply 263 | November 20, 2022 2:50 PM |
R259 Might be a typo of the word grief that autocorrected to Freud, did nobody proofread?
by Anonymous | reply 264 | November 20, 2022 2:50 PM |
R255, I don't have any problems with men in tights and dresses being around children. I just don't think a man in tights and a dress is a woman. I also question why there's been such a push to make drag (a crude and sexualised form of female impersonation which has historically been performed in adult nightclubs) available to children.
by Anonymous | reply 265 | November 20, 2022 2:50 PM |
"Authorities said they were still investigating whether the mass shooting was a hate crime." Wtf?
by Anonymous | reply 266 | November 20, 2022 2:52 PM |
[quote] "RIP to the humans"
R32 We humans refer to ourselves as "people". Or did I miss the memo from our alien overlords?
by Anonymous | reply 267 | November 20, 2022 2:53 PM |
Assault weapons ban now.
Multiple armed security at every venue with metal detector screens.
Harder locks and security barriers at public places and schools.
The end of Hollywood gun glorification in media. The reality is guns in the hands of the crazies is not fucking cool at all.
by Anonymous | reply 268 | November 20, 2022 2:54 PM |
by Anonymous | reply 269 | November 20, 2022 2:54 PM |
R267, they're reading their new cook book.
by Anonymous | reply 270 | November 20, 2022 2:55 PM |
So he threatened to kill his mom with a bomb and still had access to guns?
by Anonymous | reply 271 | November 20, 2022 2:55 PM |
The guy is a nutjob. Pure and simple.
People will cull everything he's ever said or written or liked or disliked and take some tiny sliver and use it to fit their agenda.
[quote] In the final analysis, they are exactly the same. Men in knickers, bra and a dress.
Typical intellectual dishonesty. The two situations are not remotely the same.
by Anonymous | reply 272 | November 20, 2022 2:57 PM |
[quote] Typical intellectual dishonesty. The two situations are not remotely the same.
R272 Cross dressers are men in dresses. Drag queens are men in dresses. The LCD of both situations. The rest is irrelevant quibble.
by Anonymous | reply 273 | November 20, 2022 3:00 PM |
Anyone derailing this into an anti-drag or anti-trans thing needs to be banned.
by Anonymous | reply 274 | November 20, 2022 3:02 PM |
[quote]The guy is a nutjob. Pure and simple.
by Anonymous | reply 275 | November 20, 2022 3:02 PM |
[quote] People will cull everything he's ever said or written or liked or disliked and take some tiny sliver and use it to fit their agenda.
Bottom line: Anderson had major mental and probably mummy issues. The patrons at the Q Club were tragically his convenient way of attempting to mitigate with those issues. Yet another angry American with guns and a grudge.
by Anonymous | reply 276 | November 20, 2022 3:03 PM |
Christ, why are we dragging Freud into this conversation, things are complicated enough all ready.
by Anonymous | reply 277 | November 20, 2022 3:04 PM |
Drag is not trans, or transvestism or anything else but DRAG and it's been around from the beginning of entertainment.
THE CHILDREN survived DRAG on I Love Lucy in 1959 just fine.
by Anonymous | reply 278 | November 20, 2022 3:04 PM |
Did Anderson identify as Queer?
by Anonymous | reply 279 | November 20, 2022 3:05 PM |
I wonder if it was one of those scenarios where his mom refused to press charges so he didn't get in any trouble. That's big fucking problem too and something that needs to be addressed. Someone upthread asked why people with domestic violence rap sheets were able to buy guns and I bet a lot of women dropped charges so that they were never even noted anywhere, which is some bullshit.
by Anonymous | reply 280 | November 20, 2022 3:07 PM |
What's the point of the Family Guy meme? Is this guy white?
by Anonymous | reply 281 | November 20, 2022 3:07 PM |
R278 "Uncle Miltie" drag of 1959 is not within the realm of the highly sexualized drag of 2022.
by Anonymous | reply 282 | November 20, 2022 3:08 PM |
R156 The problem is Libs of TikTok doesnât make this stuff up out of thin air.
The stuff Iâve seen on Libs of TikTok is disturbing. Itâs not distorted or twisted, itâs screenshots and videos. Theyâre not lying or making it up or twisting facts.
There is an agenda to integrate children into the LGBT+ community by the âqueerâ / trans / etc. Itâs wrong.
by Anonymous | reply 283 | November 20, 2022 3:11 PM |
But...but, r282, I thought:
[quote]R272 Cross dressers are men in dresses. Drag queens are men in dresses. The LCD of both situations. The rest is irrelevant quibble.
by Anonymous | reply 284 | November 20, 2022 3:12 PM |
Where's the mug shot? Do they wait until he's out of the hospital?
by Anonymous | reply 285 | November 20, 2022 3:14 PM |
Pardon the ignorance but aren't cross dressers straight men in drag vs drag queens who are gay men in drag ? And of course, trans are non performative people who live their lives as people from the different sex they were born with?
by Anonymous | reply 286 | November 20, 2022 3:17 PM |
R286 Drag queens are stage performers. Cross dressers arenât.
by Anonymous | reply 287 | November 20, 2022 3:19 PM |
[quote] But...but, [R282], I thought: Cross dressers are men in dresses. Drag queens are men in dresses. The LCD of both situations. The rest is irrelevant quibble.
R284 They are. Which has nothing to do with the highly sexualized appearance of drag queens.
[quote] Drag queens are stage performers. Cross dressers arenât.
R287 Men in dresses are, in reality, performers who perform. The venue is irrelevant.
by Anonymous | reply 289 | November 20, 2022 3:23 PM |
For trans and cross dressers the WORLD is their stage.
They will not be confined to some artificially assigned "stage".
by Anonymous | reply 290 | November 20, 2022 3:23 PM |
The post at R56 brings tears to my eyes.
Here are a group of people, attempting to connect to their community in positive and fun ways.
I love drag. Iâve shared here previously, how when in high school, I used to hang out with my gay bff, who wasnât just a gay male, as he was a gay male who ALSO loved drag. He has long passed away due to AIDS, but let me tell you all something- he was an amazing human being.
Iâd do his make up, help style him and his wigs. We had so much fun. He had such a GOOD heart.
He got sober long before I did, but when I did, he took me to dozens upon dozens of AA gay/queer meetings. He introduced me to people with whom Iâd develop life long ties with, and he treated me like family.
We shouldnât sit here and quibble over gay versus drag. Drag queens are almost always never trans, and even if they were, shame on any of you here who want to deduct sympathy points from an absolute tragedy, based on how others identify, be it via drag or surgery. I donât agree that children should be transitioned. That by all means doesnât reflect that what I do believe is that there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with adults choosing to do so. It does not mean that I think that a gay man is a lesser being, because he enjoys dressing in drag.
And make no mistake, drag queens are almost always gay men who enjoy PERFORMING on a stage. Theyâre actors. Theyâre singers. Theyâre gay and they are also performers.
These men had lives and a purpose. A meaningful one. Now, their safe space hand fun party spot has been marred because some asshole who doesnât understand politics and the bullshit it produces, decided to act out his gamer fantasies on real people with real lives.
I bet this club was the only real fun spot in that town. Now itâs fucked indefinitely because so many people online, including trolls on DL, cannot stop pushing HATEFUL propaganda, which finally pushed a nutjob to take matters into his own hands and target Drag performers.
These are REAL people. You sit around and engage in nothing but hate speech against a specific group of people, here in the United States? THIS is what eventually happens. And each and every one of you cunt trolls here know that.
Fuck you. Youâre the slimiest of the slime and just absolutely heartless and awful human beings.
by Anonymous | reply 291 | November 20, 2022 3:27 PM |
To me, there's never a satisfactory explanation for most mass shootings, and it always seems to just end vaguely without any real answers...probably because the shooters are truly insane. I really wish they would find a way to psychologically profile them and never allow them to buy or own guns.
I just found this and it sounds about right (to me) regarding the motive of most mass shooters:
"Motives that have been suggested include revenge, escape from pain and hopelessness, and motives inherent in psychopathy and acute psychosis. Religion or politics is thought to be a much less frequent motive of mass shooters. On average, shooters of all kinds experienced multiple stressors in the year before the shootings. Their most common grievances were about adverse interpersonal or employment actions against them. In one view, many school mass shooters were in terrible adolescent crises, unable to handle them, and depressed and immature, and they saw no way out.
Suicidality (serious suicidal ideation or behavior) is common among all shooters and is thought by some to be typical of school shooters. Some of them live without much regard for their wellbeing day to day, and some vacillate between wanting to kill themselves and wanting to kill others."
by Anonymous | reply 292 | November 20, 2022 3:27 PM |
[Quote]Uncle Miltie" drag of 1959 is not within the realm of the highly sexualized drag of 2022.
That's bullshit. You speak for all DRAG now? Have you been to a DRAG show in a gay bar? Clever skits, standup comedy and hilarious lip sync?
Stop speaking out your ignorant ass.
by Anonymous | reply 293 | November 20, 2022 3:27 PM |
"There is an agenda to integrate children into the LGBT+ community by the âqueerâ / trans / etc. Itâs wrong."
You can't integrate anyone into anything sexual. People will be what they will be.
I would have appreciated some gay male role models growing up, because I drifted in the shadows for years not knowing where I fit in the world- if it all.
That said, I think the drag queens + kiddies thing is stupid. Keep it on cable or bachelorette parties or at 1am in the gay club.
by Anonymous | reply 294 | November 20, 2022 3:28 PM |
It may have been because the club was going to host a drag brunch today.
Continuous scapegoating led directly to this event.
FUCK YOU DL TROLLS. THIS BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS
by Anonymous | reply 295 | November 20, 2022 3:29 PM |
[Quote] Uncle Miltie" drag of 1959 is not within the realm of the highly sexualized drag of 2022.
Youâre a troll.
When was the last time your EVER went to a drag show?
by Anonymous | reply 296 | November 20, 2022 3:31 PM |
[Quote] To me, there's never a satisfactory explanation for most mass shootings
They tend to target people society constantly claims is less than and other
by Anonymous | reply 297 | November 20, 2022 3:31 PM |
R294 I mean obviously there are gay and lesbian children.
My problem is they donât belong in gay nightclubs.
Treating drag queens like clowns for kids is wrong.
by Anonymous | reply 298 | November 20, 2022 3:32 PM |
R56, SO?
Fuck you, you troll. Youâre thrilled when gays get slaughtered
by Anonymous | reply 299 | November 20, 2022 3:32 PM |
[Quote] ] I mean obviously there are gay and lesbian children. My problem is they donât belong in gay nightclubs.
What kids are going to gay nightclubs at night exactly?
by Anonymous | reply 300 | November 20, 2022 3:33 PM |
[quote] Stop speaking out your ignorant ass.
R293 R296 Stop attempting parity between 1959 and 2022. It doesn't exist. Stop attempting to convince others that drag shows are reasonable venues for children. They most certainly aren't.
by Anonymous | reply 301 | November 20, 2022 3:34 PM |
R300 Why did you say âat nightâ knowing they have brunches and events for kids in certain clubs now.
by Anonymous | reply 302 | November 20, 2022 3:35 PM |
You just want to go out and have fun, getting away from the hate the world inflicts.
But then a nut, influenced by politicians and trolls with an agenda, comes in a mows you down just because youâre gay.
by Anonymous | reply 303 | November 20, 2022 3:35 PM |
[Quote] [R300] Why did you say âat nightâ knowing they have brunches and events for kids in certain clubs now.
So a dance space must only be active at night?
by Anonymous | reply 304 | November 20, 2022 3:35 PM |
[Quote] 5 lives taken, at least 18 others injured
And the trolls on here are trying to justify that they deserved it because the space was going to hold a drag brunch
by Anonymous | reply 305 | November 20, 2022 3:37 PM |
Any more news about the cretin who did this?
by Anonymous | reply 306 | November 20, 2022 3:38 PM |
I don't understand why anyone thinks a thread about a horrific event is the place to discuss anything other than the victims and the motive of the evil guy that murdered them. The people who were murdered and injured are victims, not representatives of behavior your disagree with politically.
by Anonymous | reply 307 | November 20, 2022 3:38 PM |
[quote] And the trolls on here are trying to justify that they deserved it because the space was going to hold a drag brunch
R305 Point out any of the now 306 posts where a poster made that assertion.
by Anonymous | reply 308 | November 20, 2022 3:39 PM |
Not intended as a slight on you, R32, I HATE when the media, law enforcement, and bystanders say things like this
[quote] [bold]RIP to the humans who lost their lives[/bold] in that club, comfort sent to the wounded, and may the ones who lost loved ones find the strength to endure without them
Their lives were NOT "lost"; they were TAKEN. Stolen.
It's as bad as the mindless refrain, "They were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I mean, if I'm low on gas and stop to fill my tank, and get shot in the eye, how am *I* in the wrong place? I can't fill my fucking tank from my fucking house, can I?
If I go to a club or party, and I get stabbed in the neck, "wrong place, wrong time", too? Guess I should party at my house. Oh, wait....the party WAS at my house, where I felt safe. And some uninvited guest comes behind me and garrotes me. Wrong place, wrong time, still?
/rant.
by Anonymous | reply 309 | November 20, 2022 3:42 PM |
"Any more news about the cretin who did this?"
Please don't let him be bl-
by Anonymous | reply 310 | November 20, 2022 3:43 PM |
In these mass shooting cases, there are ALWAYS warning signs and prior incidents and red flags that are ignored. This guy was already on law enforcementâs radar and should have been in jail, and certainly shouldnât have had access to any weapons. The laws need to be changed.
by Anonymous | reply 311 | November 20, 2022 3:43 PM |
Except it does, R73.
Why do you pretend that most Alt-Right Republicans are fair minded, nuanced people?
GMAFB.
Fuck off, asshole.
Gawd, youâre stupid.
by Anonymous | reply 312 | November 20, 2022 3:49 PM |
Thereâs no real tits or twat with drag, how can it be highly sexualized?
by Anonymous | reply 313 | November 20, 2022 3:51 PM |
I don't get what the media is supposed to do. On one hand people say "it's such a shame when shootings are so common they're barely newsworthy anymore." On the other it's "stop exploiting those people and their suffering! You're giving the shooter the notoriety he wants!" So should they talk about the shootings or not? They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
by Anonymous | reply 314 | November 20, 2022 3:51 PM |
R312 Homophobia has NOTHING to do with exposiing children to drag shows. Your personal political prejudices don't alter that reality.
by Anonymous | reply 315 | November 20, 2022 3:52 PM |
Block the irrational frau gash at r301 who conflates n'importe quoi in the name of THE CHILDREN.
by Anonymous | reply 316 | November 20, 2022 3:53 PM |
Nothing sounds more boring than a family friendly drag show. I want them to be raunchy and tell inappropriate jokes. That's the fun of going. If I wanted family friendly I'd just watch Mickey Mouse.
by Anonymous | reply 317 | November 20, 2022 3:54 PM |
The dyke with the long-sealed and dusty vault of a vagina is exhausting. Donât they have forums for people like you?
by Anonymous | reply 318 | November 20, 2022 3:55 PM |
This is DL's way of managing the pain. Getting snippy with each other.
by Anonymous | reply 319 | November 20, 2022 3:56 PM |
So is there any word on why the fat, ugly fucker did it?
by Anonymous | reply 320 | November 20, 2022 3:59 PM |
This has been an extremely useful thread for blocking lunatics - half the thread disappeared after I blocked like four people, all spewing anti-trans NAMBLA gibberish sounding like Linda Blair in The Exorcist. These sad people don't deserve our time or energy y'all, just block them, they have detached from reality awhile back. And I bet that British one is Andrew Sullivan lol
by Anonymous | reply 321 | November 20, 2022 4:00 PM |
That's not drag, r238, and everyone was laughing at him. It was homophobia more than anything else. The children learnt to laugh at the "queer".
by Anonymous | reply 322 | November 20, 2022 4:01 PM |
I googled Colorado shooter and came up with this. What is it with mass shooters in CO having their hair dyed in SJW colors?
by Anonymous | reply 323 | November 20, 2022 4:03 PM |
R319 I don't see many people in pain here. Most are delighted this happened or are having a laugh pretending they're outraged by something else, like the use of the LGBT acronym. This is what this website has turned into after people decided to welcome man-hating dykes and British moms over its own obsession with trans issues.
by Anonymous | reply 324 | November 20, 2022 4:03 PM |
James Holmes wannabe, R323.
by Anonymous | reply 325 | November 20, 2022 4:04 PM |
Damn, R291, you're conflating all kinds of issues.
No one is deducting sympathy points for victims. It is a terrible tragedy.
A discussion on TRA organized drag shows for kids is not the same discussion as mass shootings or gun control.
Drag in the gay community and the trans community is highly sexualized. It's not just fancy dress or a costume ball. It's sexual like strip shows are sexual. Should we welcome friendly strippers in their stripper costumes who just want to read to your kids at the library?
Trying to use this to stifle opposition to trans children and indoctrinating them into thinking that you can change your sex is just more totalitarian censorship.
Normalizing sexual activity and sexualized environments for children is absolutely grooming. It is the very definition of grooming. This is what they mean by their euphemism of "intergenerational relationships". Most gays do not approve of this and I guarantee that many of the trans of old don't agree with it either.
by Anonymous | reply 326 | November 20, 2022 4:04 PM |
Colorado is the HOME of modern-era mass shootings. Columbine started it off. Itâs just part of the culture there.
by Anonymous | reply 327 | November 20, 2022 4:05 PM |
Fuck the gun lobby
Fuck homophobes
Fuck transphobes
by Anonymous | reply 328 | November 20, 2022 4:05 PM |
[quote] And I bet that British one is Andrew Sullivan lol
You mean the lifelong racist Thatcherite and a lying bareback whore Andrew Sullivan?
by Anonymous | reply 329 | November 20, 2022 4:07 PM |
[QUOTE] Colorado is the HOME of modern-era mass shootings. Columbine started it off. Itâs just part of the culture there.
Then nuke the place from orbit.
by Anonymous | reply 330 | November 20, 2022 4:07 PM |
[quote]This is all to familiar. Hope it wasn't a muslim like here in Norway. Knowing USA and the gun problem the shooter could be anyone.
Anders Breivik is Muslim?
by Anonymous | reply 331 | November 20, 2022 4:08 PM |
Colorado is the mass shooting capital
Texas is
by Anonymous | reply 332 | November 20, 2022 4:09 PM |
Sure, what better answer could there be to stop mass murder than "nuke the place"?
by Anonymous | reply 333 | November 20, 2022 4:09 PM |
How did this even become a trans thing? Drag isn't trans.
by Anonymous | reply 334 | November 20, 2022 4:09 PM |
r326...always thinking of the children. r326, why are you always thinking of the children?
by Anonymous | reply 335 | November 20, 2022 4:09 PM |
[Quote]When I first clicked on [R21] and [R69]'s CNN link, it referred to a gay nightclub, as can still be seen in the URL. The TQ+ hall monitor moderators must have started their shift since the article was first posted and and demanded that the article be edited to erase the gay away and replace it with the only permissible "LGBTQ".
Exactly. It's a GAY nightclub, not trans.
by Anonymous | reply 336 | November 20, 2022 4:12 PM |
He probably wasn't getting what he felt he was ENTITLED TO, R320.
Well R324, they probably just got out of church, so they needed to "spread (their version of) God's word". Sunday mornings are rough here on DL since the funsies found us.
by Anonymous | reply 337 | November 20, 2022 4:12 PM |
[quote]I don't understand why anyone thinks a thread about a horrific event is the place to discuss anything other than the victims and the motive of the evil guy that murdered them. The people who were murdered and injured are victims, not representatives of behavior your disagree with politically.
But you're cool with bigotry and racism that immediately overtakes a thread, right? Just not "politics" where one party has fully embraced hate of various groups. We're supposed to pretend that doesn't exist and you act like the difference in politics is on issues of like taxes.
by Anonymous | reply 338 | November 20, 2022 4:12 PM |
{quote] Anders Breivik is Muslim
I thought he targeted Muslims especially the girls. Maybe I have my countries mixed up. Was he the island guy who first blew shit up near their parliament as a distraction?
by Anonymous | reply 339 | November 20, 2022 4:13 PM |
Re R334... I see the connection now having just read a story in WaPo.
by Anonymous | reply 340 | November 20, 2022 4:13 PM |
This was done on Trans Day of Remembrance.
by Anonymous | reply 341 | November 20, 2022 4:13 PM |
Two mommies blocked so far. Show yourselves, motherfuckers. It's autumnal cleaning time at the DL.
by Anonymous | reply 342 | November 20, 2022 4:14 PM |
Is "trans club" even a thing? Where the patrons (not just drag performers) are all trans? Are there enough of these people to support such a business. It seems like these places are built around and run by gay men.
by Anonymous | reply 343 | November 20, 2022 4:14 PM |
[quote] This is barely getting headlines. Mass shootings are no longer noteworthy. They have become routine. Where was it this time? How many dead? The shooter was a crazy loner? Oh wellâŚ..
Agree! I went to the DM this morning to read the news and this story was buried under 3 outrage articles about Morgan Freeman hosting the soccer tournament at Qatar. I'm sad that this isn't front headlines. Was the body count not high enough. Americans really have been completely desensitized by mass shootings.
by Anonymous | reply 344 | November 20, 2022 4:15 PM |
Apparently the picture spreading around social media isn't really him. It's somebody else. So we haven't even seen his face yet.
by Anonymous | reply 345 | November 20, 2022 4:16 PM |
R281, yes, he is white, according to Conan Daily.
by Anonymous | reply 346 | November 20, 2022 4:16 PM |
Oh terrific, r345. Social media at its finest.
by Anonymous | reply 347 | November 20, 2022 4:17 PM |
Why would the bouncer let someone in with a long rifle? Unless youâre playing with the band you would not need to be carrying something that long.
An armed 22-year-old entered an LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado Springs, Colorado, just before midnight Saturday night and immediately opened fire, killing at least five people and injuring 18 others, before patrons stopped and disarmed him, police said Sunday.
The suspect in the shooting at Club Q was identified as Anderson Lee Aldrich, according to Colorado Springs Police Chief Adrian Vasquez. He used a long rifle in the shooting, and two firearms were found at the scene, he said.
by Anonymous | reply 348 | November 20, 2022 4:20 PM |
Canât wait for âalliesâ to claim he must have been internally gay himself and couldnât handle it. Because according to straight people, homosexuality is a deviancy that turns into homicidal rage if a person doesnât come out in a timeline they find appropriate.
by Anonymous | reply 350 | November 20, 2022 4:23 PM |
r346
Not saying this is wrong, but wtf is that source?
by Anonymous | reply 352 | November 20, 2022 4:24 PM |
[quote] This is all to familiar. Hope it wasn't a muslim like here in Norway. Knowing USA and the gun problem the shooter could be anyone.
[quote] Anders Breivik is Muslim?
This is what R12 was referring to. From BBC News, 25 June 2022:
[quote] A 42-year-old man has been arrested and charged with murder, attempted murder and terrorist acts after a shooting in the centre of Norway's capital, Oslo. Two people died and 21 were wounded early on Saturday in what police called an "act of Islamist terrorism". The shootings were in and near the London Pub, a popular LGBTQ+ venue, the Herr Nilsen jazz club and another pub.
by Anonymous | reply 353 | November 20, 2022 4:25 PM |
Some Spanish press reporting this is the guy.
by Anonymous | reply 354 | November 20, 2022 4:35 PM |
r156 I reported the evil bitch who runs that account to the FBI. I'm sure many others did as well, and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't already know her. Children's hospitals keep getting bomb threats because of that fucking cunt. She needs to be in jail for promoting terrorism.
I'm sure they'll do nothing and she'll just keep getting people killed.
by Anonymous | reply 355 | November 20, 2022 4:37 PM |
I wish when it comes to social people would just wait for the authorities, instead of putting bad information out there. More than once someone gets named in total error and there's no turning the tide.
Build your self-esteem at the gym.
by Anonymous | reply 356 | November 20, 2022 4:38 PM |
Itâs not him r354. Thatâs the guy who ran over the kid a few days agoâŚ
by Anonymous | reply 357 | November 20, 2022 4:40 PM |
Yeah, but sadly, r356 I suspect the stupid urge by stupid people to post the stupid lie will always overwhelm any good sense.
by Anonymous | reply 358 | November 20, 2022 4:41 PM |
R331 I was talking about the mass shooting at a gay nightclub in Oslo this past summer. A muslim did it.
by Anonymous | reply 359 | November 20, 2022 4:42 PM |
R341, please. You think this nutter knew that?
But another chance to spread lies about the numbers - or lack thereof - of trans murdered for being trans. No matter how many facts are given to dispute this false narrative the media keeps buying into it.
It's just as cynical and deplorable for trans to use this tragedy to score points against their political enemies.
by Anonymous | reply 360 | November 20, 2022 4:42 PM |
That picture was posted upthread and fooled me, but it isn't him r354. Shockingly the internet has not been able to dig up a picture of this guy yet. He must have kept no online presence.
by Anonymous | reply 361 | November 20, 2022 4:44 PM |
He isn't the guy, r354. That guy is called Landen C. Glass and he is a 20-year-old truck driver who knocked over a little girl.
This is what happens when twits rush straight to Google, do an image search and just pick the first image that comes up, without checking if that really is the perpetrator in this incident or whether it's someone else whose image appears on the same website.
by Anonymous | reply 362 | November 20, 2022 4:45 PM |
No one cares about shootings anymore. They are boring and normal now. If Colombine happened today nobody would blink an eye.
by Anonymous | reply 363 | November 20, 2022 4:45 PM |
R360, the shooter is still alive so hopefully his motive will become clear. But in all honesty, I wouldnât be surprised if this actually was the case. The show had an all-ages drag show the next day. If he was planning a shooting at this location, Iâm sure he did some minor research on what would be happened and what kind of night it would be. That kiddie drag show is a smoking gun and a major trigger to MAGA gun nuts.
Itâs a shame that theyâve played The Trans Who Called LITERAL MURDER card so many times that it desensitized people to the point where theyâre only hoping it wasnât a trans related attack because no one wants to give them the satisfaction of validating their unending and insufferable victim narrative.
by Anonymous | reply 364 | November 20, 2022 4:47 PM |
Looks like fun. Bring the kids and grandma- and teach them to read and shade.
by Anonymous | reply 365 | November 20, 2022 4:53 PM |
Club Q witness
Sad that these people have to live in fundie-land and now they're not even safe at a gay club
by Anonymous | reply 366 | November 20, 2022 4:54 PM |
[Quote]That kiddie drag show is a smoking gun and a major trigger to MAGA gun nuts.
And mentally ill TRAs wirh guns. They are no better than the MAGAts.
by Anonymous | reply 367 | November 20, 2022 4:55 PM |
R367 linked to a right-wing bigot who thinks anyone she doesn't like is "antifa"
by Anonymous | reply 368 | November 20, 2022 4:57 PM |
I have problems with some of the trans agenda, and I say agenda for lack of a better term, and kids going to drag shows, but the more you anti-trans trolls pop up in this thread the more I'm heading towards becoming a militant promoter and thrower of drag brunches.
by Anonymous | reply 370 | November 20, 2022 4:59 PM |
Yes, r368, I had the trollina blocked already.
by Anonymous | reply 371 | November 20, 2022 4:59 PM |
I would like to hear his actual motive too r364, since this is a rare case when a mass shooter is still alive to talk about it.
Also, if I remember, and I do, the Pulse Club shooting turned out not to be FUNDY MUSLIM WANTS TO KILL GAY PEOPLE. It turned out to be something more impulsive than that, and the killer may not have even known it was a gay nightclub.
I don't know what this guy's motive will turn out to be, and maybe it is hate-filled homophobia. But I'd like to actually find out before deciding WHATITALLMEANS.
by Anonymous | reply 373 | November 20, 2022 5:01 PM |
Who is this highly sexualized drag for, the audience is Gay men, they arenât getting turned on by this?
by Anonymous | reply 375 | November 20, 2022 5:03 PM |
[quote]Itâs almost like someone wanted *something* to actually remember on Transgender Day of Remembrance.
[quote]"RIP to the humans"
[quote][R32] We humans refer to ourselves as "people". Or did I miss the memo from our alien overlords?
Grim news, sad day for the entire 2SLGBTQIA++ community, especially the TWoC (please donateđđť), but nothing is ever so awful that we canât have a laugh. I thank the above posters for their service.
by Anonymous | reply 376 | November 20, 2022 5:04 PM |
^^^ 2SLGBTQIA++
WTF?
by Anonymous | reply 377 | November 20, 2022 5:06 PM |
[quote]Who is this highly sexualized drag for, the audience is Gay men, they arenât getting turned on by this?
They aren't sex shows, r375. It isn't about getting turned on by them, it's about being entertained. But you know that, troll.
by Anonymous | reply 378 | November 20, 2022 5:09 PM |
Lauren Boebert was one of the loudest voices stoking hatred against drag queens in Colorado. I wonder if she posts here?
by Anonymous | reply 379 | November 20, 2022 5:09 PM |
Wow. This brought back so much PTSD so quickly for me - suddenly remembered some details of the Pulse shooting I had buried, even just reading the thread title
I am so tired and weary of all the hate and violence. Will it ever end?
by Anonymous | reply 381 | November 20, 2022 5:11 PM |
R313 is extremely stupid.
by Anonymous | reply 382 | November 20, 2022 5:13 PM |
[quote]I have problems with some of the trans agenda, and I say agenda for lack of a better term, and kids going to drag shows, but the more you anti-trans trolls pop up in this thread the more I'm heading towards becoming a militant promoter and thrower of drag brunches.
What does drag brunch have to do with trans? Are you retarded?
by Anonymous | reply 383 | November 20, 2022 5:15 PM |
Did Boebert lose her re-election or is the recount ongoing?
by Anonymous | reply 384 | November 20, 2022 5:19 PM |
Her opponent conceded.
by Anonymous | reply 385 | November 20, 2022 5:20 PM |
r382 And you're hateful troll or an incest-surviving church lady with an obsession about other people's sexuality. Drag queen is not about sex for the people who actually do drag: gay men. Stop projecting your paraphilias onto us, pervert.
by Anonymous | reply 386 | November 20, 2022 5:21 PM |
It's getting conflated because (quoting WaPo) "Club Q was preparing to host a âdrag brunchâ event on Sunday to mark Transgender Day of Remembrance, according to a post on its Facebook page."
I guess straight reporters think either drag = trans or have just bought the narrative that everything bad that happens is about trans. I'm not quite sure the basis for the focus on trans is factual, based on what I've read, but it's 2022, it's all how we feel and identify, isn't it?
by Anonymous | reply 387 | November 20, 2022 5:21 PM |
And that's just how I feel!
by Anonymous | reply 388 | November 20, 2022 5:23 PM |
Lauren Boebert argued people should wait until 21 to come out.
by Anonymous | reply 389 | November 20, 2022 5:23 PM |
I understand why straight reporters would get confused by why would posters on DL get confused, like the one quoted at R383? He honestly thought drag shows and drag brunches are a trans thing and not a gay thing.
by Anonymous | reply 390 | November 20, 2022 5:25 PM |
R389, does she think straight people should be virgins until they turn 21?
by Anonymous | reply 391 | November 20, 2022 5:27 PM |
Wait, why was the drag queen with Joshua delusional if no one knew what was going on?
by Anonymous | reply 392 | November 20, 2022 5:29 PM |
LAUREN! We will not organize our lives around your frivolous timetables! Maybe people should wait until their 21 before having affairs with their teachers.
by Anonymous | reply 393 | November 20, 2022 5:31 PM |
Has that evil fetid Nazi cunt Chaya Raichik called this a âfalse flagâ attack yet?
by Anonymous | reply 394 | November 20, 2022 5:33 PM |
The suspect's name has been announced: Anderson Lee Aldrich.
He's been in trouble with threats, bombs, etc. before.
by Anonymous | reply 395 | November 20, 2022 5:33 PM |
[quote]I have problems with some of the trans agenda, and I say agenda for lack of a better term, and kids going to drag shows, but the more you anti-trans trolls pop up in this thread the more I'm heading towards becoming a militant promoter and thrower of drag brunches.
Merely having "problems with some of the trans agenda" makes you anti-trans anyway, according to DL's My Kind Of Gaysâ˘, who make the best and most enlightened citizens and Dataloungers.
by Anonymous | reply 396 | November 20, 2022 5:34 PM |
Anderson Lee Aldrich is a transsexual leftist illegal alien!!!
by Anonymous | reply 397 | November 20, 2022 5:35 PM |
R396 = butthurt Republican
by Anonymous | reply 398 | November 20, 2022 5:36 PM |
[quote]I have problems with some of the trans agenda, and I say agenda for lack of a better term, and kids going to drag shows, but the more you anti-trans trolls pop up in this thread the more I'm heading towards becoming a militant promoter and thrower of drag brunches.
This is also my story. I was very hostile to trans activism, especially all the brouhaha following the Stonewall movie in 2015. But the more I saw from anti-trans people, the more I see these are my true enemies. I've also found that trans activism has become more moderate since the mid-2010s. Trans activists don't agitate against drag queens anymore -- it's the anti-trans who do. Just look at the people here. They're absolutely relishing what happened; they're calling queens NAMBLA on what should be a gay website. We can't compromise with these people anymore.
by Anonymous | reply 399 | November 20, 2022 5:38 PM |
I'm glad this pussy was beaten up by the patrons of a gay bar. That he has to spend the rest of his miserable, piece of shit life, in jail with the other inmates knowing that gays BEAT HIS ASS DOWN while he had several firearms at the ready. Hope they kicked the living shit out of him so he's good and ready for the cellblock where he will be spending the next 60-70 years
by Anonymous | reply 400 | November 20, 2022 5:38 PM |
R398 = a My Kind of Gayâ˘! Not all angels have wings. Mwah đ
by Anonymous | reply 401 | November 20, 2022 5:39 PM |
R399, do you believe that gay men have vaginas and that little kids who are "gender nonconforming" should be told they're trans?
by Anonymous | reply 402 | November 20, 2022 5:40 PM |
Why no picture of him? Is there a shortage of crisis actors? Have they used them all up already?
by Anonymous | reply 403 | November 20, 2022 5:41 PM |
Right-wingers don't want people to say this was a gay bar. Only they can bring attention to gay bars when they're inciting violence against them.
by Anonymous | reply 404 | November 20, 2022 5:41 PM |
R397, if he's transsexual and not transgender, then that makes him transphobic.
by Anonymous | reply 405 | November 20, 2022 5:41 PM |
Why donât they just stop with this âall-agesâ drag show shit? Itâs not necessary and itâs only giving more ammo to the Lauren Boeberts and her ilk.
by Anonymous | reply 406 | November 20, 2022 5:43 PM |
r406 Go fuck yourself, troll.
by Anonymous | reply 407 | November 20, 2022 5:45 PM |
Suspect in Colorado LGBTQ club shooting that left 5 dead and 18 injured had a standoff with police last year after a bomb threat, reports say
by Anonymous | reply 408 | November 20, 2022 5:46 PM |
That's already been posted about 25 times, r408.
by Anonymous | reply 409 | November 20, 2022 5:47 PM |
R399, what the fuck are you even talking about? Drag queens and drag brunches have fuck all to do with anything trans.
by Anonymous | reply 410 | November 20, 2022 5:48 PM |
Itâs awful people canât buy groceries, go to the movies, go to school or even go out at night without being scared.
by Anonymous | reply 411 | November 20, 2022 5:49 PM |
R402, no one is forced to be trans. You sound like the homophobes who think kids are "groomed" to be gay
by Anonymous | reply 412 | November 20, 2022 5:52 PM |
Damn, and I thought I was evil and sick in the head.
by Anonymous | reply 413 | November 20, 2022 5:54 PM |
Thank you, r412, for reminding me why I have r402 blocked.
by Anonymous | reply 414 | November 20, 2022 5:55 PM |
Why the fuck did this turn into a gay/trans discussion? Five people are dead in a bar that caters to GLBT people. American society is sick with violence and guns and nothing is being done about it. Our politicians are useless. That's where the discussion should be.
by Anonymous | reply 415 | November 20, 2022 5:55 PM |
"Horrific. America really really must do something about its gun control problem. This will never stop otherwise."
I am absolutely not deriding the poster who posted this. The sentiment is true.
But, it's a sentiment that is repeated ad nauseam after every shooting, yet nothing happens. In fact, it gets worse. So frustrating. Plus beyond the "gun control problem" there's the anger problem, the entitlement problem ("my life didn't work in the manner I believed I'm entitled to, society isn't how I believe it should be"), and all sorts of of other related problems.
by Anonymous | reply 417 | November 20, 2022 6:04 PM |
If they're not showing a picture of him, there's gotta be a reason. My guess is he's black, Hispanic, Oriental, or Muslim.
by Anonymous | reply 418 | November 20, 2022 6:05 PM |
R381, sending you good wishes. It does get so tiring sometimes. I just switch everything off and step back for a few days. Try to look after yourself.
by Anonymous | reply 419 | November 20, 2022 6:06 PM |
r416 The shooter's name is Aldrich, not Aldridge, troll.
by Anonymous | reply 420 | November 20, 2022 6:07 PM |
#374, this report said Joshua Thurman is a go-go dancer there. That tired old ashy queen is a dancer? Sounds like a dive.
by Anonymous | reply 421 | November 20, 2022 6:07 PM |
you may be correct R419
by Anonymous | reply 422 | November 20, 2022 6:07 PM |
Different spelling, r416.
by Anonymous | reply 424 | November 20, 2022 6:11 PM |
He looks like the Kenosha killer.
by Anonymous | reply 425 | November 20, 2022 6:16 PM |
No death penalty in CO as of 2020, according to google.
by Anonymous | reply 426 | November 20, 2022 6:17 PM |
Ban gay clubs? They really want this to be Russia. No wonder they love Putin so much.
by Anonymous | reply 427 | November 20, 2022 6:18 PM |
Waukesha, r425. But I don't think that's the guy; wrong name.
by Anonymous | reply 428 | November 20, 2022 6:18 PM |
No, I mean Kyle Rittenhouse, the guy who killed multiple people in Kenosha.
by Anonymous | reply 429 | November 20, 2022 6:21 PM |
Ok, r429. Pardon my misunderstanding of your comment.
by Anonymous | reply 430 | November 20, 2022 6:24 PM |
r429
You're still wrong, cause we still haven't seen what the fucking killer looks like.
by Anonymous | reply 431 | November 20, 2022 6:29 PM |
Tell me again why I am supposed to vote for Repuglicans and that Christians are such kind people.
by Anonymous | reply 432 | November 20, 2022 6:29 PM |
[quote] Oriental,
1950s called, they want their racist terms back. Oh, and also to remind you that 1958 was the last year you got laid.
by Anonymous | reply 433 | November 20, 2022 6:39 PM |
Youâre wrong, r433! Wrong, wrong, wrong! R418 has never gotten laid!
by Anonymous | reply 434 | November 20, 2022 6:42 PM |
That "person" is a troll who only joined in October, r423.
by Anonymous | reply 435 | November 20, 2022 6:42 PM |
DL always gets so stuck in the semantics of it all. I've been to small towns where there is one gay bar that serves the entire community. They have drag shows and brunches in the early hours which then turn to a more traditional gay dance club environment after 9 or 10pm. Most gay bars, with the exception of a few of the hole in the walls (usually in bigger cities) have Drag Race nights, etc. The hole in the walls are gay clubs b/c they purposely play explicit porn to discourage female invasion.
Forget that labels for a moment and just about Pulse or any fun night out on the town. You get a night out to dance, let loose, be free and then something like this happens. I hate how the term "safe space" has been diluted now primarily by Universities, but this is the one safe space where people can be themselves and it's so sad to see these lives taken.
by Anonymous | reply 436 | November 20, 2022 6:45 PM |
R323, Erickson's fellow mass shooter was transgender (a trans-identified female - I bet they didn't ask to be housed in a male prison, though).
[quote]Transgender teen sentenced to life in prison for deadly Colorado school shooting
[quote]DENVER (Reuters) - A Colorado transgender teenager who admitted to taking part in a shooting at a Denver-area charter school last year that left one student dead and eight others wounded was sentenced on Friday to life in prison plus an additional 38 years.
[quote]Alec McKinney, 17, was sentenced in Douglas County District Court for the shooting at the Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) School in Highlands Ranch, Colorado, on May 7, 2019.
by Anonymous | reply 437 | November 20, 2022 6:48 PM |
r436 The obsession with labels is intentional. There are people here who are determined to not let us discuss the main cause of the shooting, namely, the homophobic culture created by Republican operatives, whereby screaming "groomers" and inciting against drag queens are regarded as acts of "child protection". Now that this culture has resulted in a massacre, the trolls here are attempting to divert attention instead to trans people and "woke language" -- their strategy has usually worked here for years,
by Anonymous | reply 438 | November 20, 2022 6:50 PM |
[QUOTE] Can we perhaps wait until we know anything more than the absolute basics before we get into a mudfight about this? Ffs
You must be new here.
by Anonymous | reply 439 | November 20, 2022 6:51 PM |
We don't actually know the "main cause" of the shooting r438. It may indeed be what you say, but we don't actually know what the shooter was intending or how he was affected. We do know we have a gun nut culture that pretty much allows any maniac to get a powerful gun, and that of course is part of the why. But the specifics of why here and now, that still remains to be seen. Usually the shooter is dead and so that all becomes pure speculation, but in this case, we actually do have a chance to find out what the real motive was, and not just speculate about it.
by Anonymous | reply 440 | November 20, 2022 6:59 PM |
R381, please take care of yourself. Sending you lots of hugs.
Side note: Christians ARE kind people, R432 but most that claim to be Christians are not.
Rule of thumb: if theyâre loudly proclaiming that they are âChristianâ, âsavedâ or a âwarrior or soldierâ of Christ, ignore them. Their words will never match their actions.
by Anonymous | reply 442 | November 20, 2022 7:00 PM |
r440 Police already said this was a hate attack. And gay venues have been under the crosshairs of the far-right all year long, thanks to DeSantis and Libsoftiktok.
by Anonymous | reply 443 | November 20, 2022 7:02 PM |
"[R429] You're still wrong, cause we still haven't seen what the fucking killer looks like."
It's my stupid mistake. Someone upthread posted a picture claiming it was the shooter and it WAS Kyle Rittenhouse. Going on memory, I thought "they" looked similar.
by Anonymous | reply 444 | November 20, 2022 7:05 PM |
I'm beginning to think this shit is a staged PSYOP. You mean to tell me no pictures of this guy have even leaked yet? He is 22 and had no online presence when kids these days would die rather than go without their phone for 5 minutes? Where are the screenshots from his social media profiles? Does this person really even exist?
by Anonymous | reply 445 | November 20, 2022 7:06 PM |
Thank you R291. Great post.
I have tons of issues with the trans community but to make this shooting about trans v drag v gay is sickening. These people died because of some right wing nut job. Can we focus on that? What's actually relevant.
Or we can go for galllows humor, a DL tradition. I'm all for the "WTC was insatiable bottom" type posts. But boring anti-trans shit? Come on. At least try and mitigate the tragedy with actual humor if you don't feel compelled to express sympathy.
by Anonymous | reply 446 | November 20, 2022 7:09 PM |
R445 you seem well.
You know that, given how fast info spreads, responsible media take time to verify before they publish
by Anonymous | reply 447 | November 20, 2022 7:09 PM |
r383 Are you? Anti-trans in this thread are also anti-drag. And anti-gay. But you know that, because you're a fucking troll. Please go get a gun, put the barrel in your mouth and shoot.
by Anonymous | reply 448 | November 20, 2022 7:09 PM |
R445 sounds like a QAnon âtheoryâ.
by Anonymous | reply 449 | November 20, 2022 7:09 PM |
r445 You should kill yourself now, your mental disease is only bound to get worse.
by Anonymous | reply 450 | November 20, 2022 7:10 PM |
You must also have loved Pizzagate and Qanon r445. God what causes so many people to be batshit insane.
Five people are dead but you are more upset because this guy decides not to have a Facebook or Instagram account so we could pull pictures easier.
by Anonymous | reply 451 | November 20, 2022 7:11 PM |
R449 Then where are the people coming out of the woodwork saying "I knew this guy. He really WAS a piece of shit." I haven't seen that either. There is nothing on this "suspect" and it is weird to me. Perhaps because he's a fictional character?
by Anonymous | reply 452 | November 20, 2022 7:12 PM |
Chasten Buttigieg kicking Lauren right in the cunt:
by Anonymous | reply 453 | November 20, 2022 7:15 PM |
Cue the Chasten/Petey Troll and his diaper changing/bathhouse posts.
by Anonymous | reply 454 | November 20, 2022 7:17 PM |
Should have used a hammer.
by Anonymous | reply 455 | November 20, 2022 7:18 PM |
R445 = a Chaya Raichik stan playing the âfalse flagâ card. Entirely predictable.
by Anonymous | reply 456 | November 20, 2022 7:23 PM |
Did anyone shoot back?
by Anonymous | reply 457 | November 20, 2022 7:23 PM |
Oy vey. False flag? Anti-trans = anti-gay? Put a gun in your mouth and shoot?
Some of yâall need to log the fuck off.
by Anonymous | reply 458 | November 20, 2022 7:29 PM |
The guy is mentally ill. Already been in trouble with the law for threatening to blow up his mom with a homemade bomb. "was arrested in June 2021 for threatening his mother with âa homemade bomb, multiple weapons, and ammunition,â
by Anonymous | reply 459 | November 20, 2022 7:29 PM |
Some news! Apparently the grandson of a GOP asshole.
[Quote]Heavy has confirmed that Aldrich is the grandson of outgoing Republican state Rep. Randy Aldrich, the former mayor of Santee, California. There were calls to expel Voepel from the state Assembly, after he made comments comparing the January 6 attacks to the Revolutionary War. Aldrichâs mother, Laura Voepel, has written posts praising Randy Voepel on Facebook and confirming he is her father.
by Anonymous | reply 460 | November 20, 2022 7:30 PM |
Why would they falseflag an attack and only kill 5 people? That's not going to stick in the news long, sad to say.
by Anonymous | reply 461 | November 20, 2022 7:30 PM |
R83
Black women go missing every day and it's not reported. Shut your white gay tears up. You are not as oppressed as you pretend you are.
by Anonymous | reply 462 | November 20, 2022 7:32 PM |
Time for you R458 to die fucker.
by Anonymous | reply 463 | November 20, 2022 7:32 PM |
Get a gun (easy) go to any Republican event and open fire. FAIR IS FAIR.
by Anonymous | reply 464 | November 20, 2022 7:33 PM |
R90
White gay men should definitely be at the bottom : )
by Anonymous | reply 465 | November 20, 2022 7:34 PM |
Really interesting. So this kid was awash in right wing bullshit for years from his dear mommy and grandpa. Big surprise. Republican extremism again.
by Anonymous | reply 467 | November 20, 2022 7:35 PM |
Kill them all.
by Anonymous | reply 468 | November 20, 2022 7:36 PM |
r458 You're right. That was completely and totally uncalled for and I came to apologize to that poster. It was out of bounds and I sounded like the exact people I am so angry at. Completely uncalled for and I do apologize. This whole thing just sent me over the edge. Those poor people had one place- one- to be themselves and now people are dead and the others have nowhere to go.
by Anonymous | reply 469 | November 20, 2022 7:38 PM |
Agreed, kill them all.
by Anonymous | reply 470 | November 20, 2022 7:38 PM |
[quote]I have tons of issues with the trans community but to make this shooting about trans v drag v gay is sickening. These people died because of some right wing nut job. Can we focus on that? What's actually relevant.
What a fucking drama queen you are. No one is doing this. People are speculating as to what the asshole was thinking.
And, he isn't mentally ill. He's a fucking evil piece of shit. All this mentally ill talk only happens when the shooter is a young white male. Being violent is that group's standard of behvior. This one was just evil and they let him have a gun.
by Anonymous | reply 471 | November 20, 2022 7:43 PM |
Traitors to our country.
by Anonymous | reply 473 | November 20, 2022 7:44 PM |
r204 Awww. It's always been bullshit, ignorance and confirmation bias, but it's past time to shove that old canard up your prolapsed rectum.
by Anonymous | reply 474 | November 20, 2022 7:47 PM |
r466
What's the source for that pic?
by Anonymous | reply 475 | November 20, 2022 7:48 PM |
they are not calling it a gay club, most news outlets use LGBTQ club in their reports.
by Anonymous | reply 476 | November 20, 2022 7:50 PM |
He obvious mistakes a grimace for a smile, r472.
by Anonymous | reply 477 | November 20, 2022 7:51 PM |
^obviously
by Anonymous | reply 478 | November 20, 2022 7:52 PM |
It's from the heavy article at 460, which is from the Mom's facebook R475.
by Anonymous | reply 479 | November 20, 2022 7:52 PM |
R471, the kidâs a nut. Did you miss the report about how he made a bomb and threatened to blow up his mother with it? Come on now. No one is saying that JUSTIFIES what he did or that ONLY white people should get to plead insanity. Weâre just stating whatâs obvious. What is with some of you people?
by Anonymous | reply 480 | November 20, 2022 7:55 PM |
I know r480. Somehow we've gone from, what do we do about crazy people with access to guns to "Nobody must ever, ever, ever mention mental illness or it means nobody has to follow any laws."
by Anonymous | reply 481 | November 20, 2022 8:01 PM |
R480 are you kidding here? he is not mentally ill, he is a violent young man like thousands of others locked in the prison now, black or white!
by Anonymous | reply 482 | November 20, 2022 8:01 PM |
There isn't a single mass murderer who is/was right in the head...
by Anonymous | reply 483 | November 20, 2022 8:02 PM |
It's just very noticeable that people want to use mental illness when it is a white person committing crimes r480. When it is a black or arab person committing crimes I see a lot of racist "those people" are violent rather than mental illness.
(Of course this kid isn't right in the head, a lot of crime comes from people who are mentally ill)
by Anonymous | reply 484 | November 20, 2022 8:05 PM |
R466 Whereâs the diversity? Outrageous.
by Anonymous | reply 485 | November 20, 2022 8:09 PM |
violent people making "outrageous" threats all the time, burn your house down, skin you alive, run you over then burn your body... if you think they need to go through those acts to prove they are not nuts and they mean the business, then you are nuts!
by Anonymous | reply 486 | November 20, 2022 8:09 PM |
AOC joins the pile-on against former sex worker Congresswoman Lauren Boebert.
by Anonymous | reply 487 | November 20, 2022 8:10 PM |
I'm NOT a sex worker, I'm a whore.
by Anonymous | reply 488 | November 20, 2022 8:12 PM |
The person doing all the posts saying the killer had to be non-white knows what he's saying is bullshit. Firstly, the idea that American police would be withholding information in order to protect the good image of their beloved POC is laughable. Police are right-wing and Trumpian. Secondly, information about mass shooters and other perpetrators of sensational crimes don't often come out immediately and at once, and the delay for this crime was no more than usual. We need to understand one thing, we're not just dealing with tons of right-wingers here, but with disinformation agents and trolls. They're not earnest, they're actually having a laugh while trying to distract us about the GOP angle to this crime.
by Anonymous | reply 489 | November 20, 2022 8:14 PM |
These people are a mess.
[quote]Leslie Bowman said in an interview that the frightening 2021 incident took place at her home, where she had been renting a spare room to Mr. Aldrichâs mother, Laura Voepel. Ms. Bowman said she was away from the house during the 2021 incident.
[quote]âHis mom had called me and said, âDonât come home right now, there are some people looking for Andy,ââ Ms. Bowman recalled, using Mr. Aldrichâs nickname.
[quote]Two days after the incident, Ms. Bowman arranged to have Ms. Voepel move out of her home. âOnce she was gone, I changed the code on the door, and I never saw or heard from her again,â Ms. Bowman said.
[quote]But about a month ago, she said, the police visited Ms. Bowman and said they were looking for Ms. Voepel to check on her welfare, though Ms. Bowman did not know why.
[quote]Ms. Bowman said she believed that Mr. Aldrich had been living nearby in a house with his grandparents while Ms. Voepel was renting the room. He would sometimes visit his mother and watch movies with her.
[quote]Ms. Bowman also remembered that Mr. Aldrich appeared to have an âaggressive side,â and recalled one instance in which his mother had a complaint about a repair issue in the bathroom. Mr. Aldrich slammed a door in Ms. Bowmanâs face in anger over the incident, she said.
by Anonymous | reply 490 | November 20, 2022 8:16 PM |
[quote] Firstly, the idea that American police would be withholding information in order to protect the good image of their beloved POC is laughable.
R489 did you just wake up from a 10-year coma?
by Anonymous | reply 491 | November 20, 2022 8:16 PM |
I'm really getting tired of our people being killed. Fucking breeders. We gotta get rid of them if we are to survive.
by Anonymous | reply 492 | November 20, 2022 8:21 PM |
Just another gay club with no security for its patrons. Don t take a knife to a gun fight. These clubs need to be prepared.
by Anonymous | reply 493 | November 20, 2022 8:22 PM |
also it's not to protect the good image, the police and the media don't want to reinforce the stereotype of a particular group or groups of people being violent, regardless of whether the stereotype holds truth or not.
by Anonymous | reply 494 | November 20, 2022 8:22 PM |
Think it through, r492. "Let's get rid of all breeders so we can survive." Think about it.
by Anonymous | reply 495 | November 20, 2022 8:23 PM |
Why do some of you think you need to be mentally ill to commit horrendous acts of violence? That's delusional. Do you live in fantasyland? He's an evil, violent piece of shit. You are excusing his deliberate, planned actions by calling him mentally ill. The vast, vast majority of mentally ill people are not violent. Straight white incel males are by their very nature violent. Their violence keeps getting excused. That's what needs to stop.
by Anonymous | reply 496 | November 20, 2022 8:24 PM |
I lived in Denver for several years and I loved it dearly. But it started getting flooded with californians and texans ,the cost of rents soared,and the laid back friendliness disappeared. I have a few friends still living there,but they are all planning to leave. Crime has soared,and the media doesnt cover it lest they give Denver a negative rep. Colo Springs has ALWAYS been an uptight shithole ,as is Golden . I have wonderful memories of my time in Colorado,but I will never go back . The politics have been steadily changing for years,getting far less tolerant and accepting. Sad,it really was a wonderful place at one time and the gays were very much a voice there. No more.
by Anonymous | reply 497 | November 20, 2022 8:25 PM |
r491 Kill yourself, troll. There was no Trump 10 years ago; we saw plenty of Trumpism in US police departments since then.
by Anonymous | reply 498 | November 20, 2022 8:26 PM |
You know the killer has to be white because he would've been shot dead at the scene if he wasn't. They wouldn't be taking him in to ask "Why did you do what you did? Were you hurting?"
by Anonymous | reply 499 | November 20, 2022 8:28 PM |
R497 Andrew Neighbors is from Denver.
by Anonymous | reply 500 | November 20, 2022 8:29 PM |
Christofascist domestic terrorism. Remember in 2024, when Repuglicans talk about CRT and white replacement theory and other distractions, that the Dem DOJ is the only thing stopping them from wiping all of us out.
by Anonymous | reply 501 | November 20, 2022 8:30 PM |
You don't need to be r496. You can just be a complete asshole. But that is why more information is needed. Why exactly did this guy threaten to blow up his mother's house along with himself and his mother? Was that a rational crime, or something else? Why did he target this club? Was that rational, or was something else going on?
And none of the answers to these questions mean, oh, well, let him just get away with it. That is not the point.
by Anonymous | reply 502 | November 20, 2022 8:31 PM |
This cute twink was killed. Damn, this is getting real.
by Anonymous | reply 503 | November 20, 2022 8:34 PM |
[quote]All this mentally ill talk only happens when the shooter is a young white male.
Absolutely not, and especially with that Wisconsin Christmas parade massacre, and Datalounge was cheering and laughing on the perp. That thread was disgusting.
by Anonymous | reply 504 | November 20, 2022 8:35 PM |
R499 The Waukesha killer, the Brooklyn subway shooter, and most recently the killer of those Virginia football players all black and all taken into custody. In reality, police regularly arrest violent offenders of all races.
by Anonymous | reply 505 | November 20, 2022 8:42 PM |
how lovely. A German-American far right white nationalist homophobic family from grandpa to the ugly shithead shooter grandson
by Anonymous | reply 506 | November 20, 2022 8:42 PM |
R500 Andrew Neighbors is from Arkansas, he lived in Denver and LA, but doesnât live in either now.
by Anonymous | reply 507 | November 20, 2022 8:45 PM |
THIS WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THE GOP IS TAKEN DOWN. They spread and normalize hate speech and legislate to keep guns in the hands of lunatics. That is what they do. That is who they are.
by Anonymous | reply 508 | November 20, 2022 8:48 PM |
with the House about to flip and not a big enough majority in the Senate, we're definitely not getting any more gun legislation for at least 2 years.
so we can look forward to more mass shootings. oh joy
stupid ass hetero white Americans really are holding us back from progress with their backwards idiotic voting decisions
by Anonymous | reply 509 | November 20, 2022 8:52 PM |
Shooters always have domestic violence on their records or in their history. A lot of times, it's an ex or girls in school. For this loser, it was his mommy. Fucking pathetic tinymeats. DESPISE every last one of them!
by Anonymous | reply 510 | November 20, 2022 8:53 PM |
R508 You tell 'em, sister!
You beat that drum while I bang the tamborines!
by Anonymous | reply 511 | November 20, 2022 8:56 PM |
There always seems a real need here to tie everything to politics - right and left. While they may be contributing factors in terms of stance on social issues contributing to an already hostile environment like deeply conservative area, the bottom line is that gays and the LG(B)T community is always the "less than" community no matter how much progress we make. We are at the bottom of the totem pole. For those all of us lucky enough to live in a bright blue bubble where sexuality is not an issues, there are still closeted kids, there are still kids who get kicked out of their homes for being gay, there are still violent attacks on gays and hatreds toward the community. This is just in the US forget about the atrocities worldwide.
What's the saying, "being gay is not for pussies" but that extends to being anything different that is outside of main stream, especially where sexuality and gender are involved. Progress has been made over the years and it can be very easy to delude ones self that we have made it, but that was very recent. No party supported gay marriage until Biden stepped in based on what I've read here so recollections may vary.
by Anonymous | reply 512 | November 20, 2022 8:57 PM |
That does always seem to be a huge red flag, pretty much every time r510. And this is disturbing:
[quote]According to a June 2021 news release from the El Paso County Sheriffâs Office, an Anderson Lee Aldrich was arrested that month on charges of felony menacing and first-degree kidnapping.
[quote]Sheriffâs deputies responded to a report by the manâs mother that he was âthreatening to cause harm to her with a homemade bomb, multiple weapons, and ammunition,â according to the release. Deputies called the suspect, and he ârefused to comply with orders to surrender,â the release said, leading them to evacuate nearby homes.
[quote]Several hours after the initial police call, the sheriffâs crisis negotiations unit was able to get Aldrich to leave the house, and he was arrested after walking out the front door. Authorities did not find any explosives in the home.
[quote]It was not immediately clear how the case was resolved.
I would really, really like to know how this case was resolved.
by Anonymous | reply 513 | November 20, 2022 8:58 PM |
I'll beat your R511 head in with a hammer.
by Anonymous | reply 514 | November 20, 2022 9:00 PM |
[quote]You are excusing his deliberate, planned actions by calling him mentally ill.
Noâwe really, really arenât.
by Anonymous | reply 515 | November 20, 2022 9:02 PM |
They let the violent, domestic abuser off the hook with a light slap on the wrist is what they did, R513. Then this morning, he showed up at Club Q in body armor with three firearms, killed five people and wounded 18.
by Anonymous | reply 516 | November 20, 2022 9:03 PM |
Looks like a trans-identified female on hormones, r503.
by Anonymous | reply 517 | November 20, 2022 9:06 PM |
That may be true r516. We are talking about a violent (or to be fair, everyone thought violent) kidnapping of the guy's own mother about a year and a half ago, and the guy is walking around free. Why? Was he literally just let go? No trial, no nothing? Would love to know.
by Anonymous | reply 518 | November 20, 2022 9:06 PM |
Conservatives are never held accountable for their actions.
by Anonymous | reply 520 | November 20, 2022 9:07 PM |
Yup, a trans-identified female with breast removal marks.
by Anonymous | reply 522 | November 20, 2022 9:12 PM |
The FBI proved that wrong, R521.
by Anonymous | reply 523 | November 20, 2022 9:13 PM |
And the wife was also proven to be a liar.
by Anonymous | reply 524 | November 20, 2022 9:14 PM |
Did they r523? When? Any link?
by Anonymous | reply 525 | November 20, 2022 9:14 PM |
News report on BBC news says it comes on the 'eve of anti trans violence day'.
EVERYTHING is about the trans these days.
by Anonymous | reply 527 | November 20, 2022 9:20 PM |
^ Well, you go out of your way to pick on trans people, so...
by Anonymous | reply 528 | November 20, 2022 9:22 PM |
R525 I think he means that the FBI found no evidence the shooting was motivated by homophobia (a bit confusing as it sounds like he's responding to the article headline).
by Anonymous | reply 530 | November 20, 2022 9:30 PM |
It was pure homophobia.
by Anonymous | reply 531 | November 20, 2022 9:33 PM |
But the FBI a strong and rich history of homophobia and anti-Semitism, so donât count on them.
by Anonymous | reply 532 | November 20, 2022 9:33 PM |
Colorado is actually a gun friendly state (compared to California, Washington, and soon to be Oregon at least)
Why weren't gays packing heat?
by Anonymous | reply 533 | November 20, 2022 9:37 PM |
I've been to many a drag show. Some have sexual innuendo; others have none at all.
In fact, during Family Week in Ptown, when there are a ton of kids, the drag queens there have no obscene language in their shows.
So fuck you to the trolls who keep pushing that ALL drag is sexual and that normalizing such sexuality will corrupt kids forever--it's noting more than an attempt to justify the violence aimed at drag lately
by Anonymous | reply 534 | November 20, 2022 9:38 PM |
I know, and I suspect they know r534. A lot of drag is over-the-top sexual, and that's a big part of the joke, but the thing is it doesn't have to be. Some drag queen reading a storybook to kids at a library isn't telling the same jokes.
by Anonymous | reply 535 | November 20, 2022 9:40 PM |
I think it is time we start personally suing any government representative who speaks discriminatory words against a group, then hate-crimes against said group(s) happen in their districts. I don't know how winnable such a strategy would be, but they asses need to be dragged up and down the courthouse to learn a lesson.
by Anonymous | reply 536 | November 20, 2022 9:41 PM |
R529, the right is lying that Pulse killer Omar Mateen had any connection whatsoever to ISIS. Sure he said alot of crap like "I'm from ISIS" and blah blah blah--but he was also mentally off and had no know real connection to ISIS at all.
by Anonymous | reply 537 | November 20, 2022 9:44 PM |
R529 maybe try a non-rightwing publication to push your BS
by Anonymous | reply 538 | November 20, 2022 9:44 PM |
Could everybody please stop begging to live in a police state? Everybody. I get the sentiment r536, but you know what, I prefer the First Amendment. Although I bet I hate the same people you hate, I would hope that every single lawsuit like that is thrown out in ten minutes.
by Anonymous | reply 539 | November 20, 2022 9:45 PM |
Perhaps the meemaws on here ought to start with the pedos and groomers in their churches, at little Brayydoxen's boy scout meeting, little Anusleigh's dance/cheer group, and sly, drunken uncle Steve before they start to come for drag shows. Which types of places/things would your little Brayydoxen and Anusleigh be around more often? Doubtful it would be drag.
by Anonymous | reply 540 | November 20, 2022 9:47 PM |
R529, that's hilarious with Glenn Greenwald and other BSer claiming " It's been proven that it wasn't a hate crime!!"
NONE of that was proven
by Anonymous | reply 541 | November 20, 2022 9:47 PM |
[quote]I know, and I suspect they know [R534]. A lot of drag is over-the-top sexual, and that's a big part of the joke, but the thing is it doesn't have to be. Some drag queen reading a storybook to kids at a library isn't telling the same jokes.
And that can be said of any performer, especially comedians. They know their audience and modulate effectively.
Whenever I saw Rosie ODonnell or Joan Rivers on TV, their comedy was absolutely G rated. When you saw them in a club, it was R
by Anonymous | reply 542 | November 20, 2022 9:50 PM |
The Pulse massacre was a hate crime.
by Anonymous | reply 543 | November 20, 2022 9:50 PM |
So what are you saying r541? That there is no proof, so we should declare it a hate crime because we want it to be? Why?
by Anonymous | reply 544 | November 20, 2022 9:51 PM |
[quote]the kidâs a nut. Did you miss the report about how he made a bomb and threatened to blow up his mother with it? Come on now. No one is saying that JUSTIFIES what he did or that ONLY white people should get to plead insanity. Weâre just stating whatâs obvious. What is with some of you people?
Every mass shooter is a nut, but we only use that for white killers. We blame all of Islam if it's a Muslim killer and immigration laws if it's an illegal. We get the "all black men are violent" crap if it's a black killer. Only for white ones do we START with "He seems mentally imbalanced."
by Anonymous | reply 545 | November 20, 2022 9:53 PM |
Gays were targeted, R544, blown away by over a 100.
by Anonymous | reply 546 | November 20, 2022 9:53 PM |
[quote]Only for white ones do we START with "He seems mentally imbalanced.
False.
by Anonymous | reply 547 | November 20, 2022 9:54 PM |
[quote]The Pulse massacre was a hate crime.
Not according to the right. In fact, right after the massacre, not a single GOPer would even say "gay club."
by Anonymous | reply 548 | November 20, 2022 9:54 PM |
R547, give me an example of a white killer we didn't use that for? One where we blamed Christianity as a whole?
by Anonymous | reply 549 | November 20, 2022 9:54 PM |
Why do you care what extremists think, R548.
by Anonymous | reply 550 | November 20, 2022 9:55 PM |
R521, there was some evidence that Mateen had actually been to the club before actually.
by Anonymous | reply 551 | November 20, 2022 9:56 PM |
[quote] Perhaps the meemaws on here ought to start with the pedos and groomers in their churches
Plenty of handcuffs for everybody. These cuffs don't discriminate.
The simpleminded fallacy of the faux "either or" dilemma doesn't work.
by Anonymous | reply 552 | November 20, 2022 9:56 PM |
[quote]Why do you care what extremists think,
Hmmm..perhaps because they have half the country's political power....
by Anonymous | reply 553 | November 20, 2022 9:57 PM |
"There is nothing on this "suspect" and it is weird to me."
Why? You're not familiar with 400 lb. adult incels who stay with family, don't work, live on the internet and play video games all day?
by Anonymous | reply 554 | November 20, 2022 9:57 PM |
Put down all straight white teen males and 90% of mass shootings in Murica would be a thing of the past. Of course that means 99% of DLs wank material would be eradicated.
by Anonymous | reply 555 | November 20, 2022 9:58 PM |
Did he try to blow up his mother?
by Anonymous | reply 556 | November 20, 2022 9:58 PM |
[quote][R547], give me an example of a white killer we didn't use that for? One where we blamed Christianity as a whole?
The Parkland shooting, the Pittsburgh shooting, the Charleston shooting.
by Anonymous | reply 557 | November 20, 2022 9:59 PM |
Someone start "Part 2" thread, STAT
by Anonymous | reply 558 | November 20, 2022 10:00 PM |
[quote]Hmmm..perhaps because they have half the country's political power....
Extremists do? I think youâre on the Internet too much.
by Anonymous | reply 559 | November 20, 2022 10:02 PM |
How is R555 not crazy? Is he WWing himself? I hope so.
by Anonymous | reply 560 | November 20, 2022 10:03 PM |
Boebert has just deleted her anti-drag tweets. This is how you can tell these extremist Republicans don't believe the things they shout the world about, they're just after short-term advantage.
by Anonymous | reply 561 | November 20, 2022 10:07 PM |
[quote]The Parkland shooting, the Pittsburgh shooting, the Charleston shooting.
When did anyone blame Christianity as a whole for those? For each one, the shooter was first thought of as being mentally imbalanced just like all the other white mass killers.
When everyone finally linked it to white supremacy, that connection could not be denied. They have never taken it a step further to the connection between white supremacy and evangelical christianity
by Anonymous | reply 562 | November 20, 2022 10:09 PM |
I guess thereâs difference between âanti-LGBTâ and anti-transâ, reading that AOC personâs tweet.
by Anonymous | reply 563 | November 20, 2022 10:10 PM |
It's right wing politicians still "othering" gays and how we are groomers and you "Don't Say Gay" that leads directly to these directed killings.
We saw the same in Russia, The second Putin passed his version of "Dont Say Gay," hate crimes against LGBT went up to record levels.
by Anonymous | reply 564 | November 20, 2022 10:11 PM |
[quote]When did anyone blame Christianity as a whole for those?
Absolutely, here on Datalounge. There are over 16K+ threads devoted to Christianity here, there are 3K about Islam. You are just a crazy, white, far left gay guy who is extreme, obnoxious and loud and exhausting and needs to fuck off.
by Anonymous | reply 565 | November 20, 2022 10:12 PM |
There are 16K threads implying that Christianity leads to mass murder r565? Wow. But answer the actual question. Did anybody, anybody at all, say the Parkland shooting means Christianity is evil and is the direct cause of that shooting? Do you think it may have been more about guns and our whole gun nut culture? Do you think people might have been talking just a little bit more about that? Or do you honestly think it was really turned into a whole thing about destroying Christianity as a danger? Think carefully.
by Anonymous | reply 566 | November 20, 2022 10:15 PM |
[quote]Absolutely, here on Datalounge. There are over 16K+ threads devoted to Christianity here, there are 3K about Islam. You are just a crazy, white, far left gay guy who is extreme, obnoxious and loud and exhausting and needs to fuck off.
You can count the number of threads on a specific topic? That's what I call BULL SHIT
by Anonymous | reply 567 | November 20, 2022 10:16 PM |
[quote]Absolutely, here on Datalounge. There are over 16K+ threads devoted to Christianity here, there are 3K about Islam. You are just a crazy, white, far left gay guy who is extreme, obnoxious and loud and exhausting and needs to fuck off.
If "far left" means treat people with dignity and stop scapegoating for a hateful political agenda, I'll stay far left
by Anonymous | reply 568 | November 20, 2022 10:16 PM |
Yes^.
by Anonymous | reply 569 | November 20, 2022 10:17 PM |
[quote]If "far left" means treat people with dignity and stop scapegoating for a hateful political agenda, I'll stay far left
Thatâs not you. At all.
by Anonymous | reply 570 | November 20, 2022 10:17 PM |
R560 I W&W him because it's technically true - and funny because DL does love to wank senselessly about straight men.
by Anonymous | reply 571 | November 20, 2022 10:23 PM |
[quote]Thatâs not you. At all.
As if you know me, you shitty Russian vodka-soaked troll.
Now just go suck your master Putin's balls/
by Anonymous | reply 572 | November 20, 2022 10:23 PM |
Don't worry, the right will quickly come up with a narrative that this massacre wasn't a hate crime at all. He randomly picked the club or his gun went off accidentally or ISIS told him to do it or the police didn't act in time....or blah blah blah.
The right will do everything to shift the blame off it's own words and actions and blame everyone else.
by Anonymous | reply 573 | November 20, 2022 10:25 PM |
Has any right wing politician called this a "gay" club yet?
by Anonymous | reply 574 | November 20, 2022 10:26 PM |
[quote]Did he try to blow up his mother?
he did and the police didn't seem to care.
by Anonymous | reply 575 | November 20, 2022 10:28 PM |
The victim that has so far been identified was a transman (i.e. biological female) who worked behind the bar. This was TQ+ bar, not a gay bar.
by Anonymous | reply 576 | November 20, 2022 10:33 PM |
Okay, technically (and I'm being a stickler bitch because I think we really need to at this point) but anyway, technically, he claimed to have explosives that he never had, and claimed that he would blow up his mother and her house. Apparently there were no explosives, but still ... Then he was arrested, and then ... Well, that is what I would really like to know. Any prosecution? Anything at all? Community service? Anything? Did he at least have to clean up a park? Pick up some dog shit? Nothing?
by Anonymous | reply 577 | November 20, 2022 10:34 PM |
R576, It's actually a bar welcoming to all LGBTQ. It just happens to be Trans Awareness Week so it was hosting trans events
by Anonymous | reply 578 | November 20, 2022 10:36 PM |
I don't know that that makes anything a TQ+ bar. A trans was behind the bar. Okay. That used to be a gay bar. Honestly, I'm not sure what a trans bar even is. Nobody but trans allowed? That is not going to last very long.
by Anonymous | reply 579 | November 20, 2022 10:36 PM |
R579 are only gay men allowed in gay bars? You canât be that stupid.
by Anonymous | reply 580 | November 20, 2022 10:38 PM |
Don't think there are enough trans to have a bar just devoted all the time to trans.
This is an all LGBTQ bar in Colorado Springs, where there aren't enough of any of the individual letter to just have a bar devoted to that.
by Anonymous | reply 581 | November 20, 2022 10:38 PM |
[QUOTE] I don't know that that makes anything a TQ+ bar.
There is no such animal R579. These types of places are mostly gay men, with the rest being made up of hags and lesbians. Trans are at most 5% of the patrons, if that.
by Anonymous | reply 582 | November 20, 2022 10:38 PM |
If only r580, but no. That is not the point. How would you describe a trans bar? What is that in your mind?
by Anonymous | reply 583 | November 20, 2022 10:39 PM |
[quote]The victim that has so far been identified was a transman (i.e. biological female) who worked behind the bar. This was TQ+ bar, not a gay bar.
"Transman (ie. biological female)"? Asshole troll contribution to the thread.
by Anonymous | reply 584 | November 20, 2022 10:39 PM |
[quote]transman (i.e. biological female)
Where's the lie?
by Anonymous | reply 585 | November 20, 2022 10:43 PM |
Seriously people it's Colorado Springs not NY. There aren't bars that specialize in different types of people. Small cities like that have one bar for the umbrella of queer folks that is the lynchpin for the entire community.
by Anonymous | reply 586 | November 20, 2022 10:44 PM |
Trans and gays aren't the same thing, r586. It's an artificial "community".
by Anonymous | reply 587 | November 20, 2022 10:46 PM |
[quote]Trans and gays aren't the same thing, [R586]. It's an artificial "community".
It's a community borne from the fact that the same people in power hate us all
by Anonymous | reply 588 | November 20, 2022 10:47 PM |
Well done to the muscle queens who brought down the shooter.
by Anonymous | reply 589 | November 20, 2022 10:47 PM |
R586, even in NYC it would be hard to have a bar just for gay women that didn't have to publicly state that it was welcoming to heterosexual men and that all female patrons had to be personally welcoming to heterosexual men.
by Anonymous | reply 590 | November 20, 2022 10:48 PM |
[quote]Trans and gays aren't the same thing, [R586]. It's an artificial "community".
People of Mexican and Peruvian origin aren't the same either but you call them the same term.
Blacks from California and from Mississippi aren't the same but you use the same term.
Koreans and Indians aren't the same, but they have a common term
by Anonymous | reply 591 | November 20, 2022 10:49 PM |
[quote]Where's the lie?
You, Vlad, are the real lie here
by Anonymous | reply 592 | November 20, 2022 10:49 PM |
"This was TQ+ bar, not a gay bar."
Then why did they have male go-go dancers?
by Anonymous | reply 593 | November 20, 2022 10:50 PM |
What did you think the Q stood for in Club Q?
It was a queer club.
by Anonymous | reply 594 | November 20, 2022 10:51 PM |
r593, the right wing maggot just wrote that it's a TQ+ bar to make us think gays weren't targeted and that it's fine trans were slaughtered.
by Anonymous | reply 595 | November 20, 2022 10:52 PM |
You are right r591, but it actually shows how arbitrary a lot of this stuff is. The most artificial term in the U.S. and Europe these days is probably "Asians." It is completely arbitrary, but people will actually use it about themselves and try to invent some identity based on it. It is is kind interesting in its way.
And now the thread can die, cause we are getting into some interesting stuff.
by Anonymous | reply 596 | November 20, 2022 10:52 PM |
'This was TQ+ bar, not a gay bar."
No, it wasn't. Nobody in Colorado even knows that dumb phrase let alone sets up a club to cater for it.
by Anonymous | reply 598 | November 20, 2022 10:53 PM |
BORISSSSSSSSS!
by Anonymous | reply 599 | November 20, 2022 10:53 PM |
A trans bar is trans own and operated and frequented primarily by trans.
by Anonymous | reply 600 | November 20, 2022 10:54 PM |
I guess the shooter deliberately targeted the trans in the crowd and shot at them first.
by Anonymous | reply 601 | November 20, 2022 10:54 PM |
Many trans hate same-sex attracted people and hate when we just use the word gay, r588.
R591, those people don't use the same term for themselves and aren't force yoked with each other. They're allowed to refer to themselves with a single full me, not a higgledy-piggledy acronym.
by Anonymous | reply 602 | November 20, 2022 10:54 PM |
[quote] This was TQ+ bar, not a gay bar.
How many of you have been to this bar?
I have. It was the lone gay bar in the Springs. It was pretty much set up for everyone.
There is no way this wasnât a targeted attack. It isnât on a major street, and you really have to know where you are going.
by Anonymous | reply 603 | November 20, 2022 10:56 PM |
I was wondering if we had any posters who had actually been there. Thanks r603.
by Anonymous | reply 604 | November 20, 2022 10:58 PM |