22 November 1963 - JFK Assassinated

Who knew just moments after that motorcade began its journey things would go so horribly bad.

I remember it so well. I was at Binkys ice cream store in Omaha when we heard.

This gal is a hoot.

Am guessing (as wasn't around then) that JFK's death and subsequent funeral put a damper on Thanksgiving and Christmas holiday season 1963.

Just a good haircut and some expensive tailoring.

Big deal and not whee it counts

was having lunch at the drugstore, heard women crying, then the news.....we in texas knew lbj had a hand n it.

I've read so many books about this event, over the years, that I've lost count. I still don't know why he was killed. What makes the most sense, is the Mafia killed him. Then I'll think about that and think, no, the Government. There's A pretty good theory of them both working together to have him killed.

many vids on u tube explaining the collusion tween mafia, cia and big $ that took him down.

r3 Caitlin's pretty awesome. Odd, but awesome.

Judy defied CBS and sang it for JFK a few weeks after his assassination.

Goosebumps, every single time.

I got the day of from school. I don’t remember caring about him but I was delighted with not having to go to school. It was only when my mom cried while watching the news that I began to realize the magnitude of the events. I never saw her cry for any other reason, before or after.

He's coming back! Just watch.

OP, everyone who wasn't alive, the motorcade was not on television.

The sky was so blue that day.

Assassins... "Something Just Broke"

JFK was one of the worst Presidents in American history. He betrayed the Cuba refugees after promising he would support them at the Bay of Pigs. And he brought the world to the brink of nuclear war.

Plus, he ignored the Civil Rights movement and their reform movement in the South. Lyndon Johnson had to clean up his mess of neglect and enact the need legislation to end segregation and Jim Crow. JFK was a failure on all fronts.

Oh, but he cheated on his wife and fucked Marilyn Monroe!!! What a man!!!

In retrospect it might be a good thing he was stopped before he created any more damage.

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"a POTUS who embodied such hope and promise"

Yeah, he was a total gent.

Walter Cronkite -the most trusted man in America.

JFK wasn't president very long, two months shy of 3 years. And Operation Mongoose was in the works long before he became president, R16.

R6- Supposedly LBJ and Edgar J Hoover had him rubbed out.

Thank you op for the history lesson

I have never been able to adopt the conspiracy aspect of the assassination but some things do not make sense. Chiefly, why the hell would Jack Ruby be so upset about the murder that he would then murder LHO? What would be in it for him? BUT! He owned a sleazy nightclub, whose suppliers were no doubt "connected" as many liquor purveyors still were all those years after Prohibition. So, possible connection #1. #2: I've always found it odd that the sheriff knew Ruby -- "Jack, you son of a bitch!" It could be from mixing in that milieu, I guess. #3: Ruby dies within a short period after killing LHO. Then Dorothy Kilgallen dies while writing a book about Ruby. Sinatra hated Kilgallen.

It was too long ago and I'm too old to go down rabbit holes but of all the things that can happen without the facts ever coming to light, it is the murder of JFK that will forever bother me.

^^To clarify -- Sinatra and mobsters and politics and investigations and corruption all add up to "Something wrong there."

That's JFK JUNIOR who's coming back, Karen @ R12. You better get it right girl.

Lee Harvey Oswald was so damn hot.

he is continually voted the greatest pres who ever lived....he did more for the underdogs than anyone. good man.

My father, just married to my mother, was going to lunch from his job as a reporter for the Galveston Daily News. When he got to the diner, he saw it on tv, ran back to the office and really did tell them to stop the presses, the president had been shot and by then the ticker tape machine was spewing out the information.

[quote]Chiefly, why the hell would Jack Ruby be so upset about the murder that he would then murder LHO? What would be in it for him?

Jack was a loser with failing clubs. Oswald brought shame to his (Ruby’s) city. Ruby was also a violent man and did it out of anger and because he thought it would make him a “somebody” who everyone would want to meet, ergo more business at his clubs.

[quote] BUT! He owned a sleazy nightclub, whose suppliers were no doubt "connected" as many liquor purveyors still were all those years after Prohibition. So, possible connection #1

People who knew Ruby THEN (not rumors, not ‘knew him’ with a wink) described him as a wannabe and said the mafia would have nothing to do with a loose nut like him.

[quote]#2: I've always found it odd that the sheriff knew Ruby -- "Jack, you son of a bitch!" It could be from mixing in that milieu, I guess.

Why would that be odd? He offered discounts to police officers at his club and was a hanger-on at the police station. He was there Friday night too. It was also a different time and it’s not unusual that “everyone knew Jack.”

[quote]#3: Ruby dies within a short period after killing LHO.

He languished in a prison for almost 5 years after he shot Oswald. He died in 1967. If he was mobbed up he had plenty of time to say so; and the mob sure took a helluva risk letting him sit there not knowing whether he would talk.

[quote]Then Dorothy Kilgallen dies while writing a book about Ruby.

Kilgallen was a drug-addled mess at her death. Is it that unusual, even today, for someone like that to die? (Think Aaron Carter, et al.)

[quote]When he got to the diner, he saw it on tv

R28, the assassination was not broadcasted on TV. Your father may have seen the network reporting it, which would have already been known by the newspaper.

[quote]was not broadcasted on TV.

Oh, dear!

Water fountain at school, outside, end of recess, 2nd grade, Eastern Time Zone, around what time? Must've been around 2:30 or so. Some older girls (maybe 4th or 5th grade) were hysterical, screaming and sobbing. What's going on? The President has been killed!! It was a hot bright afternoon, not a cloud in the sky. The whole world was SO QUIET for the rest of that day (Friday) and all through that weekend, except for what was going on on television. Unforgettable. I went back and visited that water fountain in around 2003, it was still there then, unchanged, in the very same place.

More files released today! Anyone wannna sift through them and tell us what’s in them? There’s a lot and it’s not organized well.

Yes, it says čæfkįß is the killer.

Oh, damn, looks like my keyboard malfunctioned. How strange.

[quote] he is continually voted the greatest pres who ever lived

Such polls show Ignorance of American history is endemic in the modern "educated" population.

JFK's ratings are based on his good hair and nostalgia for the manufactured mythology of the Lost King of Camelot. Not on his few actual accomplishments and series of disastrous failures. He was only in Dallas because Goldwater was looking likely to win in 1964 and they desperately needed to shore up Texas.

Mostly well intentioned but way in over his head. America has never recovered from his incompetence.

While I agree he wasn’t the greatest president, your last sentence his bullshit.

Biden could order all files released and indeed at one point stated he would do so IIRC, but so far that hasn't happened. While not a smoking gun so to speak there must be things in not released files that could harm someone or something.

"Under the JFK Records law, only the sitting president of the United States has the power to withhold assassination-related documents beyond the 2017 deadline, which means that Biden could release everything at will. He suggested last year, however, that he would continue to abide by a balancing act cited in the law, which allows documents to be kept secret indefinitely if their release would do “identifiable harm” to “military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or the condition of foreign relations that is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in disclosure.”

As for rest of what was released much of it is about Oswald.

To wit:

"Oswald’s Mysterious Trip to Mexico City Several of the newly declassified documents will refer, directly or indirectly, to the activities of the undercover CIA operatives in the agency’s Mexico City station who mounted an aggressive surveillance operation against Oswald when he visited the Mexican capital in September 1963, just several weeks before the assassination. Previously released files from the CIA’s Mexico station show Oswald, a self-declared Marxist who apparently sought to obtain a visa to defect to Cuba, made contact in the Mexican capital with Soviet and Cuban spies, including a KGB assassinations specialist. Those documents suggested the CIA’s Mexico station bungled evidence that, had it been passed on quickly to the Secret Service and other agencies in Washington, could have saved Kennedy’s life."

R35, JFK was revered DURING his presidency.

Especially if you were Irish Catholic, r38, and grew up in an Irish parish. You may or may not have had a picture of JFK next to one of the Sacred Heart on display in one room or another.

[quote]he is continually voted the greatest pres who ever lived

Kennedy has ranked in the top of 10 C-SPAN’s Presidential Historian’s Survey since its inception in 2000 (surveys have been conducted in 2000, 2009, 2017 ans 2021).

Their criteria is based on the following:

[quote]Public Persuasion

[quote]Crisis Leadership

[quote]Economic Management

[quote]Moral Authority

[quote]International Relations

[quote]Administrative Skills

[quote]Relations with Congress

[quote]Vision / Setting an Agenda

[quote]Pursued Equal Justice For All

[quote]Performance Within Context of Times

Siena College has ranked presidents 7 times since 1982. Of surveys conducted in 1982, 1990, 1994, 2002, 2010, 2018 and 2022, Kennedy was only excluded from the top ten twice, in 2002 and 2010.

[quote]Scholars rate presidents on each of twenty categories that include attributes – background, imagination, integrity, intelligence, luck and willingness to take risks, abilities – compromising, executive ability, leadership, communication, and overall ability and accomplishments – party leadership, relationship with Congress, court appointments, handling the economy, executive appointments, domestic accomplishments, foreign policy accomplishments and avoiding mistakes. Theodore Roosevelt is rated highest on attributes, Lincoln tops the list on abilities and Franklin Roosevelt leads on accomplishments.

[…]

[quote]The Siena College Research Institute (SCRI) Survey of U.S. Presidents is based on responses from 141 presidential scholars, historians and political scientists that responded via mail or web to an invitation to participate. Respondents ranked each of 45 presidents on a scale of 1 (poor) to 5 (excellent) on each of twenty presidential attributes, abilities and accomplishments. Overall rankings were computed by assigning equal weight to each of those twenty categories.

he was a good man and the americans knew it. but the cia ended up bein more powerful and they assisted in his death. will we ever have as good looking/georgous first couple as he and jackie were? doubtful. THEY RADIATED HOPE AND CONFIDENCE AND GOOD TIMES BABY..

JFK might have been considered a good man, but I've rather have a man like LBJ on my side.

He fucked us with Vietnam, but he did the nation a solid with domestic policies. As a black American, thank God for LBJ. He was racist, sexist, and asshole with blood on his hands, but that's par the course for most presidents. Unlike most, he actually helped minorities and the nation as a whole. JFK was in over his head and willing to sell black Americans down the river for re-election. LBJ not only passed Civil Rights, but also won re-election in a landslide.

That man was one of a kind. Think of where America would be today without Civil Rights, Medicare and Medicaid Act, and welfare. We can bash those programs and policies, but they really saved lives.

[quote] I've rather have a man like LBJ on my side. He fucked us with Vietnam, but......

LBJ was just trying to clean up JFK's mess. Jack lost his nerve against Khrushchev on Cuba not once but twice and was eager to find a place he could salve his pride and show how tough he was.

Unfortunately he and Bobby decided the way to do that was increase Ike's handful of advisors to the level of a full division, and then murder our ally president destabilizing the country for the rest of the war in a series of military coups.

Douglas MacArthur tried to warn him.

LBJ once again voted one of the most corrupt men to serve in that office. JFK number one again!