Alec Baldwin sues 'Rust' crew for negligence

Maybe you should butt out, OP, and let the justice system do its work.

I understand the motivation behind this. He paid people he thought were competent for a job they failed to do.

Maybe you should kiss my butt R1 and remember pointless bitchery and commentary. You can always leave the thread.

It's about his image. He must establish the narrative that he was either set up or it wasn't his fault at all. Otherwise, his image and reputation will suffer.

It wasn't directly his fault and HIS crew was incompetent. As a producer he was responsible for the crew so this is a mess. But the guilty party is whatever CUNT put live ammo in that gun.

He was smart enough to know they were idiots and didn't know what they were doing. He was negligent in firing a weapon, any weapon, without checking it first.

Brazening things out seems to be by far the most effective approach to anything these days.

[quote]let the justice system do its work

Ah yes, that flawless justice system which is so well known for not giving any special treatment to the wealthy and/or famous

[quote]Baldwin has long declared he never pulled the trigger on the 1880s period gun that he was pointing at Hutchins on October 21, 2021.

Wait...WHAT????!!!!!! Is that some idiotic error in the Deadline article? I have NEVER heard anything about Baldwin claiming he "never pulled the trigger." If he's actually claiming that, does he contend that the gun somehow went off WITHOUT him pulling the trigger?

Can someone please explain this to me?

The crew stunk but I envision a new redemption tour ( with the help of slobbering celeb suck up media outlets like people) where Baldwin is absolved of any responsibility whatsoever.

As much distaste I feel for Baldwin as a person, I have to grudgingly agree with him on this one. He's an actor, not a gun expert, and IIRC, he was told the gun was "cold".

Why hasn't Baldwin been arrested yet? He pulled the trigger, he killed the woman. He needs to serve some time in prison for his crime.

You should never point a gun, whether loaded or not, at another person.

How many times have we read stories where the excuse for a shooting was "I didn't know (or think) it was loaded".

Baldwin can try to point the finger in 360 degrees to assign blame to others, but if he was holding the gun when it went off, he shouldn't have been pointing it at anyone, anytime.

[quote] Wait...WHAT????!!!!!! Is that some idiotic error in the Deadline article? I have NEVER heard anything about Baldwin claiming he "never pulled the trigger." If he's actually claiming that, does he contend that the gun somehow went off WITHOUT him pulling the trigger?

It was like in those crime shows or movies where the trigger was remotely activated by a remote control. SET-UP!

R12, Because it was a prop gun and Baldwin had no reason to think it held live ammunition. IIRC, the actor who shot and killed Brandon Lee was never arrested.

Omg R1, I’m so excited to see Hilaria here!

R1, R16 is a loon who escaped from the Hilaria Baldwin Reddit, and she's probably the one who W&Ws her own posts.

CORRECTION: She is OBVIOUSLY the one who W&Ws her own posts!

I think AB denied pulling the trigger on the George Stephanopoulos interview. The GS interview happened kind of late and it was the 1st time AB claimed he never pulled the trigger.

He's in the right.

He was/is a producer. He was part of the team that knowingly hired an armorer with minimal experience because they didn't want to pay for a union armorer.

Him suing his crew is like a public declaration that everyone else on the set should have been compensating proactively for him being a known idiot.

I hope Alex Baldwin takes aim at you next, R3.

This is what’s expected, legally. His lawyers are the ones who advised him. Happens in all kinds of accidents — everyone sues each other on legal advice.

It sounds like the crew was negligent. It wasn't Baldwin's job to check the gun. The woman in charge of the weapons was inexperienced and had gotten in trouble on a previous movie set.

R1 = Hilaria

He is totally trying to deflect blame. He knew the gun handler chick was totally incompetent and hired her anyway. He just seems like the type who would just fuck around and aim a gun at people and pull the trigger.

[quote]I think AB denied pulling the trigger on the George Stephanopoulos interview. The GS interview happened kind of late and it was the 1st time AB claimed he never pulled the trigger.

Okay, so....did he offer any word of explanation as to how the gun went off without him pulling the trigger? If I understand correctly, the ONLY way a gun can go off without someone pulling the trigger is if the gun is dropped onto a hard surface, and even that is quite an unusual occurrence.

I can't believe that "gun handler chick" is an actual job you can get hired for on a movie set.

First Alec Baldwin kills, now Alec Baldwin sues.

This is a pre-emptive strike, intended to run up legal fees, knowing that the armorer and other affected crew members don't have as much money to spend on lawyers as he does. I hope the judge has the sense to throw this bullshit out of court.

The fact is, he's a producer and is thus partly responsible for creating an unsafe environment on set, such as deciding that budget wouldn't cover a full-time armorer or a gun safe.

R21, how much experience do you need to have to know NOT to put a live bullet into a prop gun?

I was busy taking selfies!!

I remember how George Clooney criticized Alec Baldwin. Clooney has been around as long as Baldwin and he knows that Baldwin is full of it.

Baldwin is most certainly not guilty of manslaughter, because he had no intention to kill anyone (he believed the gun was loaded with blanks). However, as a producer, he shares the liability of hiring an unprofessional prop master or consultant.

R34, Manslaughter IS when you kill someone without intending to. Which is exactly what Baldwin did.

As well as allowing unsafe conditions on the set of a film he was producing.

Why is he suing, though? It should be the family of the woman killed as well as the man who was shot and injured who are taking the crew to court, not Alec. He's a producer. He IS crew.

[quote]He was negligent in firing a weapon, any weapon, without checking it first.

At this point, I have to think anyone who says something like this is either special needs or trolling.

THE ACTORS DO NOT CHECK LIVE WEAPONRY ON SET. This is a union rule for a reason: because actors are not trained in weapons! They don't know how to handle guns and they haven't gone through training. The weapons master and prop master are trained, the AD is trained, they're the two people who check before handing a gun off to an actor.

Then read a few articles, r9, because it was reported extensively at the time. He has always claimed he never pulled the trigger.

A lot of really stupid replies on this thread. What's going on around here lately?

Right-wingers hate Hollywood liberals and will jump at any pretense to tear them down.

Did he directly hire that incompetent non-union armorer? Did he make those decisions? I’m not absolving him of everything, but we do operate under the assumption that people are doing their jobs. I generally trust that the pharmacist is putting the correct dosage in the pill bottle. And trust that the guy making my sushi isn’t using spoiled fish. And so on.

This thread shows one of the woes that makes life dysfunctional in our society. People hate Baldwin so much they make up stories. They argue based on ignorance and irrationality. They shart out the same talking points over and over, their proof that Baldwin surely murdered this woman and why he is "guilty". It has to be true because Baldwin is a douchebag and they don't like him. Everything they say about the bad man Baldwin is the truth because that is the way they "feel", and their "thoughts" are valid.

Can you read R41 ? I posted a link to an article I didn't make anything up. I could give two shits about Baldwin at the end of the day I just thought it was interesting. You sound like some naive Alec fangirl with a touch of MAGA delusions about the media out to get a certain celebrity. No one needs to make up any stories about this guy, his life is a shitshow and the truth is stranger than anything you can make up about this idiot. You lack comprehension or its time for bed gramps.

[quote]Then read a few articles, [R9], because it was reported extensively at the time. He has always claimed he never pulled the trigger.

Okay, so if you're such a font of correct information on the details of this awful story, please remind us exactly how Baldwin claims the gun went off if he didn't pull the trigger. Does he claim that he dropped the gun? Does he claim it just happened to go off spontaneously as he was pointing it directly at that poor woman even though he didn't pull the trigger? Or...did he make no statement at all as to how the gun went off beyond saying that he didn't pull the trigger, and if so, does he really expect ANYONE to believe that?

Stop Baldwin's special treatment and arrest him. Plus don't sell hiim anymore Viagra.

After posting my comment above at R43, I did some more Googling. The first article I found about this incident begins as follows:

[quote]While filming his movie Rust on Thursday, October 21, 2021, Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun that injured the director and killed another crew member.

But later in the article, there is this:

[quote]The It's Complicated actor sat down for an in-depth interview with ABC News more than one month after the tragedy, opening up about the aftermath of the shooting. In a clip from the December 2021 special, Baldwin cried while reflecting on what went wrong on set. "The trigger wasn't pulled. I didn't pull the trigger," he said. "I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger at them. Never. I have no idea [how a bullet got in there]. Someone put a live bullet in a gun. A bullet that wasn't even supposed to be on the property."

[quote]Baldwin confessed during his first sit-down interview about the incident that he didn't feel guilty, revealing, "I might have killed myself if I felt that I was responsible. I don't say that lightly." He continued to deny pulling the trigger, asserting that he was simply following Hutchins' directions on set. "I've been told by people who are in the know, in terms of even inside the state, that it's highly unlikely that I would be charged with anything criminally," he added.

So, yes indeed, it does appear that Baldwin expects people to believe he did not pull the trigger of the gun in question, even though he offers not a word of explanation as to how it went off while he was holding it.

This wasn't his first rodeo gone wrong

it was, ultimately, his responsibility. Yes, other people share culpability, even direct liability. This is an attempt to remove any responsibility from his part and it's simply not true.

He has no justifable excuses and he has tried to shift the blame everywhere else, including the victim. He's just a whiny little bitch who hasn't for a second taken an ounce of responsibility and now has become a pariah and he doesn't like it. boo-fucking-hoo.

R42 revealing your low IQ and lack of debating skills. I don't like Baldwin at all. But I find it grim and insulting when dumb cunts with the feelies like youself, make asshat Jr. HS level arguments that Baldwin is guilty because he's a creep.

I hope this is just a power play but the douche that AB has always shown us to be tells me its "utter lack self awareness"

New Mexico Involuntary Manslaughter Statute: § 30-2-3. Manslaughter. The relevant New Mexico statute on involuntary manslaughter is § 30-2-3. Manslaughter, which addresses both voluntary and involuntary manslaughter. Our focus here, of course, is on involuntary manslaughter.

In the context of involuntary manslaughter, § 30-2-3 reads in relevant part:

Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice. … B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the … commission of a lawful act that might produce death … without due caution and circumspection.

He's right. How is this the actor's fault? It's the prop master's fault, and the fault of the crew and director. I hate Alec Baldwin but much of the hate directed at him online, especially about this shooting, is from right wing trolls.

r50 he wasn't just an actor. It was all under his responsibility/authority.

I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning supporters of Baldwin in this thread considering his past homophobic comments.

The question that has never been answered is if Alec was an active producer on the film (making decisions, etc) or just a vanity title.

A film usually has a long list of official producers. Typically less than half do anything of importance on the project.

Has SAG made any comment on one of their members hiring non-union workers?

Alec Baldwin is someone who I wish would just go away and never be heard from again.

"The question that has never been answered is if Alec was an active producer on the film (making decisions, etc) or just a vanity title."

In a legal sense that isn't very important, because if as a producer he signed the budget that didn't include a gun safe, he's as liable as the rest of the producers.

Heather McReynolds, the second second assistant director on “Bandit,” said that crew members were given downscale hotel accommodations, and were not paid their full per diems.

“My experience with Thomasville was not the best,” she said. “I never felt unsafe, but I was very frustrated and irritated the entire time.”

She said the crew was especially annoyed to see the producers posting glamor shots on social media. Some of the producers have posted images of private jets and luxury resorts.

“I’m trying to tell them my frustrations and irritations, but here they are just posting pictures on social media, like ‘This is so much fun,'” she said. “But your crew’s not happy. If you talked to anyone who worked on the movie ‘Bandit,’ they’d be like, ‘Oh yeah, that movie.'”

R52 I don't see many "Alec Baldwin supporters". I see some people who do not argue to convict a person for a crime that was largely not his responsibility, but because he's an asshole so we should just convict him as punishment for being an asshole in life.

Has the prop master been charged? I know she’s not famous or wealthy but it seems that her inexperience was a big factor.

If the crew was negligent, then Baldwin, as producer, should have vetted them more carefully and thoroughly. In that way, he bears responsiblity.

Jesus. The threads about this incident would be SO much shorter if we could all just agree that three things are inarguably true even though some people keep arguing back and forth over them:

1) A huge part of the responsibility for this tragic death lies in the hands of whoever brought live ammunition to the set in the first place, as that is not supposed to happen under ANY circumstances

2) Though Alec Baldwin as an actor does not bear responsibility for being handed a live gun, he does bear significant responsibility for the death of that woman because it has been repeatedly said that actors are told NEVER to point a gun directly at anyone on a set UNDER ANY CIRCUMSANCES, even if they think they are 100 percent sure it's loaded with blanks or not loaded at all

3) Finally, IF Baldwin in his role as a producer had any say in who was hired as crew for this film and in maintaining proper safety protocols on the set, then he has ADDITIONAL responsibility for that.

Got it?

The Reader's Digest...condensed version...^^

The armorer was responsible along with the props department of guaranteeing the props were SAFE to use. As an actor or producer, it is not your job to check props. Hence hiring skilled props people. He’s a douche no doubt but he’s not the one who is responsible for her death. He was practicing with , what he and everyone else on set, thought was a dummy gun /prop gun/ not loaded with REAL FUCKING BULLETS! Either someone hates him that much (get in like) to frame him or someone just didn’t do their job and grabbed a gun they ASSUMED was a prop gun. Not on him. But he’s just a bloated loud mouthed baby making dry drunk.

R62, I'm not saying that what I wrote at R61 is the whole story, I'm just saying I wish people would stop repeating and repeating, and in some cases arguing, those three points, since all of them are true.

[quote]The armorer was responsible along with the props department of guaranteeing the props were SAFE to use. As an actor or producer, it is not your job to check props. Hence hiring skilled props people. He’s a douche no doubt but he’s not the one who is responsible for her death.

See what I mean? There's another one.....

R64, see my comments at R61.

You'd think Baldwin would just go away quietly, rejoicing in the fact that he wasn't indicted on murder/manslaughter charges.

[quote]You'd think Baldwin would just go away quietly, rejoicing in the fact that he wasn't indicted on murder/manslaughter charges.

But that would be the action of a sane person, rather than a hot-headed, rage-filled narcissist.

Baldwin isn't suing the entire crew, he's just suing the armorer, props guy, AD, and props company.

[quote]The suit, filed Friday, alleges that armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed "failed to check the bullets or the gun carefully;" assistant director David Halls "failed to check the gun carefully and yet announced the gun was safe before handing it to Baldwin;" and prop master Sarah Zachry "failed to disclose that Gutierrez-Reed had been acting recklessly off set and was a safety risk to those around her."

You get what you pay for

I guess its something he has to do. Whoever was in charge of guns and the set, had a responsibility to keep it safe. I can't stand him but, I do understand why be did.

R65 thinks he's the boss of this thread.

Has hilaria birthed a 10th child yet?

R71, I just don't see the point in people making the same damned arguments over and over AND over and over AND over and over again.

Well, you've now spent three or four replies saying the same thing over and over again yourself, r73, so maybe it's time to rethink your strategy here.

Good point, R74. I'll stop if you all will do the same.

R75 You're assuming people read what was posted previously. This thread is over 50 posts long. Most people aren't reading through at this point.

Honey, who has explained the brass tacks. And whats to stop repetitious debate. Are you knew to Internet, the system of tubes? New to social media? New to DL? New to the zeitgeist, which is ONLY foes hurling binary talking points at each other?

oops Are you NEW to Internet, the system of tubes?

[quote] Maybe you should butt out, OP, and let the justice system do its work.

I wasn't aware you were put in change of deciding what other people can talk about.

Lock him up!

R76...Right. These threads can get long, and reading every comment can be a bit time consuming. If I read a comment, and want to add to it....I just scroll down past the rest and make my reply. If it's repetitious....so what.

"Has the prop master been charged? I know she’s not famous or wealthy but it seems that her inexperience was a big factor."

She fucked up big time, but her fucking up was at least partly the responsibility of the producers. The set's armorer is typically a full-time job, and the armorer is supposed to lock the guns in a gun safe when they aren't needed for filming, but the film's producers didn't include a gun safe in the budget and had the armorer doing a second job. So because of producers the decisions made, the armorer was away from the guns for part of the time, and had no secure place to lock them away, so the producers could be blamed for people being able to fuck around with the guns while she was busy elsewhere.

But not for her failure to properly check the gun before turning it over to the AD.

Defenders here are also missing a bit of the "any semblance of class left" aspect to Alec's persona.

Sue away, Baldwin. But do it quietly, humbly, and embarrassedly, knowing that your hand killed the woman and you feel guilt. Even if you don't.

His reputation is ruined. He looks incredibly bad from this whole incident, whether it's his fault or not, because of his behavior. THAT is absolutely his fault.

Sure Baldwin looks bad. Sure Baldwin is a narcissistic douchebag creep. But all you keep saying is that he should be punished for murder because of all the other things he is. Not because he committed manslaughter or murder. Certainly not murder. And very little of the manslaughter is his fault BECAUSE SOME PROFESSIONAL (incompetent) put LIVE AMMO in a movie set gun, and movie actors are given non lethal guns to film scenes. It is NOT the actors job to check a gun.

R2, exactly. OP is one of the many Baldwin haters on DL or perhaps a right wing troll who stumbled upon this site.

Will he sing this at the trial?

Please do not misuse liberal politics to hide what an unbelievable piece of shit Baldwin is and always has been. He essentially popularized the MRA movement. His violent behavior and recklessness (this incident included- he produced this accident) are not forgiven by campaigning for the right candidate.

We're not going to bat for him. He's done.

R87 100%. Baldwin's nominal political alignment never compensated for him being a terror. If anything, he was tolerated as a public figure for far too long. New Yorkers have known about him being a trash human being since he was living on the UWS. I worked on W. 86th St. in the aughts and the people who were acquainted with him had nothing nice to say. The idea that he can't be called out now because of his lip service to certain issues in the past, and a brief folk hero moment on SNL, defies the reality of how many liberals have been talking about him for years.

R88 who denies he's an asshole?

Alec Baldwin is an asshole. He's also not a murderer.

R89, he is, in fact. absolutely a murderer. He held a gun to her and pulled the trigger and killed her. He didn't know it would kill her, but it did, and he did it. He killed that woman, don't be fatuous.

He is not a malicious murderer, just an accidental and careless, and at this point, remorseless one. But he killed her.

R89 Murderer? Probably not. Guilty of manslaughter as an indirect consequences of his own actions? Yup.

*Consequence.

And what R90 said. He pointed the gun at her. So, also as a direct consequence of his actions.

Several people are supposed to check the gun before it reaches an actor. There are multiple safeguards. They all failed on this set. That's why, despite god knows how many movies involve guns released every year, accidents like this are incredibly rare

The term MANslaughter wounds. Please don’t use it.

I don't understand the "never point a gun at anyone" in filmmaking. They're pointed at actors all of the time in tv shows and movies. Sometimes at very close range, at someone's head etc. Does someone want to explain that or is it that the "never point a gun at anyone" rule is bullshit? It's just been repeated so many times that it became rote.

R95. Because unless the scene is filming you never point a gun at anyone. It's the same thing they teach you in the military. Never point a gun at someone unless you intend to shoot. However in filmmaking one is expected to be in character only after the director says shoot.

This set was an accident waiting to happen.

Ross Addiego, a dolly grip who was present when the tragic incident took place and heard armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed saying that the prop gun was clear, details that there were issues with her in the previous week. Per the dolly grip, Gutierrez-Reed and her crew had issues that involved “negligent discharges”. The armorer was preparing one of six guns and one of the revolvers went off toward her foot. A few minutes later at the cabin set, a discharged gun went off that wasn’t announced, which would have been assistant director Dave Halls’ responsibility to announce, per Addiego.

I'm not sure if this was reported when it happened and is now common knowledge, but Alec Baldwin left or, I'm guessing far more likely, was dropped as a client by CAA, the biggest and most powerful agency in show business, some months ago. Which is huge and very telling.

R97 why were there live bullets anywhere near a set? I'll never understand that.

R99, the only theory suggested for that is just too chilling to believe -- that the bullets were brought to the set because there was a lot of discord and unhappiness about working conditions, and somebody brought a loaded gun to the set in the hopes that a horrible accident would happen as revenge.

R99, the story has always been that some gun nuts were eager to play with a genuine Colt 45, an antique and not a reproduction, and they were shooting targets with the thing because there was no gun safe and the armorer had a second job and couldn't keep an eye on the guns all the time. So presumably, the gun nuts brought the live bullets.

Oddly, nobody's ever said who the gun nuts who were shooting at targets with the Colt 45 actually were.

R100 needs to take meds.

The set was unsafe and reckless idiots played target practice during downtime.

R101, thanks. I haven't followed the story closely, and that's the first time I've heard that.

This wasn't someone smuggling live ammo onto the studio lot.

This was an el cheapo production shot out in an open area of New Mexico desert.

There was reportedly a similar incident with the same gun a few days earlier, during a scene being filmed with a stunt double. There was a real bullet in the chamber and the double fired the weapon for real during the scene. It's one of the reasons some of the crew complained to their union and went on strike.

R100 that is just as bad as the theory that this was a ritualistic killing in the annual illuminati sacrifice. Yes I've actually heard that.

R102, that poster no doubt lives on the Hilaria Baldwin subreddit where they're all breathing each other's farts all day and such talk is applauded. They think the Baldwins (who are phony assholes, sure) are killers and groomers, and such comments get them lots of up votes in their little ecosystem.

R100, that's the ONLY theory, really? And where did that theory originate?

See you in the Pizza Hut basement - bring your own lube.

Maybe he didn't pull the trigger

If the gun isn't legit you must acquit.

[quote]That's the ONLY theory, really?

Sorry, I shouldn't have stated that it's the ONLY theory, or the only one that makes sense. But for what it's worth, I did read the theory that live bullets were brought to the set as a set-up by disgruntled crew members. Personally, I find another theory far more plausible, that live bullets were on the set because some people wanted to shoot a real vintage Colt 45 with real bullets for target practice. Which, of course, is fatally reckless if true.

DL favorite Roberto Portales is in this movie.

I posted on an older thread: if the scene to be filmed was about Baldwin’s character committing suicide, he would have checked the gun himself to make sure there were no bullets, even blanks.

He didn’t give a shit about checking it when pointing it at other people, even goofing around.

I’m not surprised he got away with murder— paid off the key people and a few lawyers and poof! Now HE’S the victim.

Normally, if three events of a supposedly unloaded gun discharging live rounds happened on a movie set, wouldn't the armorer be fired? Or (if it is true that there was no gun safe, and they essentially employed an untrained person as armorer who had a second job and couldn't watch the firearms 24/7, while other people on set were freely handling and loading weapons with actual ammunition) wouldn't new safety protocols normally be put in place?

And isn't that kind of... the job of the producers and director?