It turns out the average American is far less obsessed with opposing "wokeness" than Republicans (and Dataloungers) are

“I don’t know”? How could people not know what a woman is?

r1 = case in point

R1 It's a quote from the Congressional hearings when they were appointing the most recent Supreme Court Justice. She said she couldn't answer.

There are one Colombian and one Venezuelan cuntwhores on DL who oppose all LGBTQANB thingies. They don't represent us .

r4 I'm pretty sure it's more than two people who are like that; British DLrs seem to have more of a fixation on all things woke than anyone else here.

Really?

Voters know what a woman is. They voted for state protections of the right to choose an abortion.

What they don't want is woke lectures that a woman today can have a dick, that they have to get used to 'pregnant people' and 'uterine havers', and have to keep a database on the pronouns of each person they ever meet.

R5 It's everyone but the urban college-educated liberals, who seem to think they constitute the entire world in and of themselves.

r4 See? This might not apply to you, but what I said about Datalounge was exactly right. People here rage about this subject in the same manner Republicans do; they can't distance themselves from their feelings to contemplate the point that's being made. They're obsessing and still projecting their obsessions onto average people as if the election didn't just prove that Americans, as a group, find the whole thing very boring.

Correct me if I’m wrong but the biggest issue this election was abortion right. Most gains were from moderate pro-choice Democrats who smartly avoided trans issue to not turn off moderates and independents. The biggest proponents for trans rights are Democrats in strong liberal strongholds who have no competition.

It was the economy, not abortion.

[quote]Correct me if I’m wrong but the biggest issue this election was abortion right. Most gains were from moderate pro-choice Democrats who smartly avoided trans issue to not turn off moderates and independents. The biggest proponents for trans rights are Democrats in strong liberal strongholds who have no competition.

But abortion rights are trans rights. You can’t separate one out from the other. Just like you can’t separate out queer rights from human rights.

[quote]They voted for state protections of the right to choose an abortion. What they don't want is woke lectures that a woman today can have a dick, that they have to get used to 'pregnant people' and 'uterine havers',

A woman can have a dick AND choose to have an abortion, you stupid anti-trans troll.

Everybody knows what a woman (and a man) is, it's just that we have entered a bizarro period in history where we are quibbling over such basic facts and people are too afraid to even breach the subject.

This is a gay website, a space for males who are attracted to other males to talk about all kinds of things. Gay people know pretty damn well the things that separate men from women. If somebody here tells you that words like "man", "male", "woman" and "female" are "complicated", that person is either lying to you or they are not actually a homosexual man.

What the fuck is "woke" and what is its antonym? Why won't one goddamn reporter ask these assholes for a definition? Why do we let the enemy define us over and over again?

[quote]A woman can have a dick

No such thing exists.

Women are adult human females. Females aren't born with dicks. Transmen can call themselves whatever they want but their vaginas don't care about linguistic pretzels.

Ok, Boris.

R7 I'm an educated urban liberal, and I think R6 utterly destroyed OP in his post.

Okay TRANS HATE fucking retards - WE NEED SOME MOTHERFUCKING MURIEL AGAIN.

You will control yourselves you psychotic cunts or you will get the fuck out of OUR website.

Women - 51% of population

Trans - 0.?% of population

Choose your battles.

R17 you're opinion isn't worth much, especially since R6 is daydreaming about a country that doesn't exist.

I don't care about women who are Trans Hate obsessives. They should all die in a grease fire, the useless cunts. We need Muriel to purge them.

I love trans, I love ex-gays - let them exist peacefully.

One of these "useless cunts" actually birthed you, R21.

My mother had nothing against tranny's. That's what we called them back in the day. YOU are a Trans Hate obsessive and you should DIE IN A GREASE FIRE.

My mother, God rest her soul, wouldn't have had a thing to do with the likes of you.

[quote] I'm an educated urban liberal,

I think you're a liar, R17.

Geez, obsessive much, R24? Take a chill pill.

[quote]You will control yourselves you psychotic cunts or you will get the fuck out of OUR website.

Yes, get off OUR queer site, all you cis white men.

What gets me about the whole trans thing is it is a lie and the gov is trying to shove it down our throats. It all smacks of 1984 where the government forces people to believe things that don't have any basis in fact. It is dangerous. If they can force people to believe that men are women and vice versa they can force you to believe anything. It is totalitarian.

MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL MURIEL

We need some MOTHERFUCKING MURIEL AROUND HERE.

Fuck right back off to Mumsnet, trolls.

Transgenderism is popular only in dystopian places. Places like Nazi Germany, the Middle East, Brazil—can’t let that happen in America.

R28, we don't care what you think you fucking fascist cunt.

Let the Trans people be, they don't need anything from you - not now and not ever.

Trans Hating obsessive CUNTS.

YOU were willing to sell us all out for your petty toilet obsession.

Abortion Rights? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Gay Marriage? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Social Security? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Medicare? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Immigration? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Global Warming? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

And on and on and on and motherfucking ON. You willingly sold us down the river - all of us and everything - because of your sick, petty obsession with 0.6% of the population and where they take a piss.

You are bad voters, bad citizens and bad fucking people. We hate you.

[quote]CUNTS

Okay, you drop the misogyny now.

You can always tell the posters posing as someone (they define as) woke. They are aggressive, contrarian, rude, and quick to escalate.

Just like right-wingers.

They aren't who they say they are and they don't believe anything they say.

Quit engaging with them and they have no purpose here.

No thank you, R34, I don't think I will. When it comes to you TRANS HATE CUNTS I'll keep it right where it fucking is.

Trans Hating obsessive CUNTS.

YOU were willing to sell us all out for your petty toilet obsession.

Abortion Rights? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Gay Marriage? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Social Security? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Medicare? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Immigration? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Global Warming? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

And on and on and on and motherfucking ON. You willingly sold us down the river - all of us and everything - because of your sick, petty obsession with 0.6% of the population and where they take a piss.

You are bad voters, bad citizens and bad fucking people. We hate you.

I agree with you R5.

And thank you for posting OP/R2/R8/R18/R20/R21/R24/R25/R32/R33/R35.

[quote]This is a gay website, a space for males who are attracted to other males to talk about all kinds of things

It is? Then, we must all be imagining the trolls, incels, and Royal-obsessed fraus who have infiltrated this site over the years, R13. Can you pass me whatever it is you're smoking?

I can definitely see pro-trans people using the word “cunt”. It makes sense.

R33 is deranged. Jesus Christ, chill.

Trans Hating obsessive CUNTS.

YOU were willing to sell us all out for your petty toilet obsession.

Abortion Rights? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Gay Marriage? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Social Security? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Medicare? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Immigration? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Global Warming? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

And on and on and on and motherfucking ON. You willingly sold us down the river - all of us and everything - because of your sick, petty obsession with 0.6% of the population and where they take a piss.

You are bad voters, bad citizens and bad fucking people. We hate you.

[quote]YOU were willing to sell us all out for your petty toilet obsession.

Wrong. The wokesters sold all us out, including us gays, when they hopped on the self-ID and 'sex is a spectrum and sex is assigned at birth" train.

Yes, you read me right. It's no longer the gender spectrum or gender assigned. It's SEX assigned at birth as per WaPo and NYT.

Go dilate r33!

Trans Hating obsessive CUNTS.

YOU were willing to sell us all out for your petty toilet obsession.

Abortion Rights? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Gay Marriage? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Social Security? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Medicare? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Immigration? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Global Warming? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

And on and on and on and motherfucking ON. You willingly sold us down the river - all of us and everything - because of your sick, petty obsession with 0.6% of the population and where they take a piss.

You are bad voters, bad citizens and bad fucking people. We hate you.

Responding to claims of obsessive behavior over trans issues and wokeness by obsessing over trans issues and wokeness is...a choice.

Most Americans think woke is that thing they do every morning after a night's sleep.

[quote]Go dilate [R33]!

Don’t you dare tell me when to dilate, Boris. All you conservative anti-trans trolls are the same. Hateful motherfuckers who don’t GIVE A FUCK about trans rights. We fucking hate you. I’ll go dilate when I want. Go mind your own fucking business, CUNT!

Women don't want to be called 'uterine havers". It's that simple.

But have we noticed men aren't a target. It's always 'what is a woman, define a woman'. Gee, I wonder why.

[quote]Women don't want to be called 'uterine havers". It's that simple.

Women are lucky to be called anything at all, you CUNT! Women are bad voters, bad citizens and bad fucking people. We hate you.

Incel alert at R49.

Men in drag are not women whether white Leftist males like it or not.

I think misogynists like R49 forget that women grow and birth babies. Not men. Without women there would be no next generation. Women define womanhood. Not White Leftist men and they have every reason to be angry over being erased from language to appease predominantly White straight men who like to pretend they're female.

Just because the Transsexual Problem wasn’t #1 on voters’ minds doesn’t mean that everyone agrees with all the tenets of gender identity ideology, or that most Americans think trans-identified males should compete against females, or that preadolescent children who have a cross-gender identity/affinity “know who they are” and should be put on puberty blockers and then cross-sex hormones, or that men who ID as women should be allowed unfettered access to women’s bathrooms, changing rooms, shelters, and prisons.

Yes, the political right are making this a “wedge issue” because they want everyone to see Democrats as unhinged and radical. (Democratic voters and politicians who support the above proposals are in fact idiots; some of them are also insane.) Lots of different types of people have different reasons for objecting to gender ID ideology. Logical people reject it because it’s nonsensical. Radical and second wave feminists reject it because it reifies sexist stereotypes and poses actual threats to women’s safety and privacy. Gays who have the ability to think critically reject it because it’s homophobic and sex-denying, and homosexuality is all about same-SEX attraction, not same-gender attraction, and the kids who are put on the blockers/hormones pathway tend to be kids who would otherwise grow up to be gay (talk about a “genocide”!). Religious people might object to it because it “goes against God’s plan” and “God doesn’t make mistakes.” Biologists (the ones who haven’t been captured by the ideology) reject it because it’s science-denialism, and they know sex isn’t a spectrum.

Lots of people oppose the most radical demands of TRAs. Most people, I would say. Those who don’t oppose it either haven’t been paying attention, or they don’t believe it when they hear what the demands are or what’s really going on, or they think it doesn’t really affect them. That’s why it wasn’t a top issue in the US midterm.

But it is just not the case that only right-wingers and Nazis care about this issue.

OP, we'll see if you're singing the same tune when DeSantis beats Biden to become President.

R47 and R49 are imposters.

And once again, ladies who don't care about children, gay men, lesbians, other women, the elderly, the environment, or any other goddamned thing...

Trans Hating obsessive CUNTS.

YOU were willing to sell us all out for your petty toilet obsession.

Abortion Rights? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Gay Marriage? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Social Security? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Medicare? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Immigration? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

Global Warming? YOU DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK. You voted against them because the fascists were against the Trans.

And on and on and on and motherfucking ON. You willingly sold us down the river - all of us and everything - because of your sick, petty obsession with 0.6% of the population and where they take a piss.

You are bad voters, bad citizens and bad fucking people. We hate you.

That may happen, R54, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll have been because of trans ideology!

R54, these girls absolutely love DeSantis and Trump and MTG and all the MAGAts.

As long as the MAGAts hate Trans, it's the only thing that these old women care about.

When did being woke become bad? Is it the knuckle-dragging Neanderthals in the South that created this because they are dim bulbs?

R8 is a straw man fallacy in a caftan.

R56 most people outside of Florida wouldn't know who is if it wasn't for that issue. He's been elevated by it.

R58, “wokeness” is overcorrection, and the ideas and “facts” put forth in service of this amends-making are often highly dubious. That is why so many people hate it. Yes, even people on the left.

Some people have this idea that being Woke™ is all about Being Kind™ or simply opposing police brutality and their racial profiling/ targeting of black people. But there’s more to it than that. A lot of it is INSANE and pushed by frauds like Ibram X. Kendi and Robin DiAngelo, and trans activists like Chase Strangio and other nutcases.

It’s an unofficial political movement and like any political movement, there are bad actors, stupid people, stupid policy proposals that would make things worse than the wrongs they’re attempting to right, etc etc.

Nobody cares about "wokeness" except Republicans intent on using symbolic politics to cover up their horrible policies.

That they turned off so many voters with this is a sign the public doesn't care either. They want practical policies that guarantee freedom from religion and the right to reproductive healthcare. They want realistic economic policies that will see wealth more evenly distributed across the country, climate change addressed, and debt reduced, without cutting the policies (like SS) that many people are now relying on to get by.

None of that is something the Republicans want to address so they'll distract with bullshit culture war rubbish. Because to address it would to admit that they're trying to promote their religion on others, take away necessary procedures for healthcare, cut taxes for the 0.1% and corporations, all the while adding to the crippling debt this country is facing. And let's not forget trying to cut the services desperately needed by millions of Americans just to survive.

[quote]But it is just not the case that only right-wingers and Nazis care about this issue.

And yet here you are in bed with lunatics and Nazis.

Funny how that works.

[quote]That they turned off so many voters with this is a sign the public doesn't care either.

How do you know they “turned off so many voters with this”?

R64. Admittedly, I don't. But the Republicans really under-performed all things considered.

And this explanation makes about as much sense as all the other explanations being thrown around in this thread.

R63, yes I am “in bed” with them in the sense that every vegetarian is “in bed” with Hitler (also a vegetarian). This is more a case of agreeing that grass is green, and not black. Only insane people would disagree.

Do you honestly think men can be women? Or that they should compete against women in sport? Or that male rapists who ID as women should be housed in women’s prisons? Or that children “know who they are” and if they say they’re trans, that means they should be affirmed with puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones? Or that there isn’t a major social contagion element at play? Or that gay men should sleep with trans-identified females and that lesbians should be open to having sex with penised persons?

Tell me I’m an evil right winger for thinking the above proposals are insane, homophobic, and regressive.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you just stupid?

Look at the election, Einstein, R64, we haven't cleaned the Republican's clocks like that in a midterm in - what number are they tossing around today? 80 years or more? Going back a long long way.

The country fully rejected anti-wokeism and supported the Democrats' and President Bidens agenda.

Red Wave! Turn away from WOKE-ISM! Turn away from BLM, Obamacare, Gay Rights, Abortion Rights, the brown hordes are coming for the border and blahblahblah. If you don't become more like Republicans you'll all lose!

Turns out we didn't take any of their shitty "advice" and we won BIGLY.

R65, I agree with the other points you made. People care about abortion, they care about democracy, they don’t trust Republicans. (Well, except for all the people who voted for the Republican candidates.) That is why Democrats didn’t end up in a bloodbath—because the alternative to the Democratic Party is a horror.

I don’t think people voted for Democrats because they were turned off by Republicans making trans activism a wedge issue, i think trans stuff just wasn’t weighing on their minds, certainly not to the extent that abortion was, or democracy, etc.

[quote] But abortion rights are trans rights. You can’t separate one out from the other

How much mental gymnastics does this take to compute?

I’ll take Manufactured Crises and Moral Panics for $500, Alex!

[quote]But abortion rights are trans rights. You can’t separate one out from the other

This is so funny to me. I would love to see an attempt to explain this reasoning but I have that person blocked.

R66, we don't care. We don't think like you do, we don't hate Trans, we don't care if Trans are in the same bathrooms, we're just not that into you and what you think is important.

To you, this means we must just be stupid. To us, this means you'll sell us all out Women, children, Gays, the Elderly, the Environment, Education, Healthcare - all of it and everything.

You'll sell us out and support fascist shitheads like Trump and DiSantis to get your own way and fuck everyone else and every other issue in the world.

You can't be trusted with our lives, R66, ALL of our lives and everything that WE think matters and it's all over a tiny sliver of the population doing something YOU don't personally like. We can't rely on you to care about all of us so why do you think we should care about you?

Also let's not forget that Dems haven't won the white majority in forever. The majority of whites have voted Republican in every election over the past 50 years.

Not sure what it would take to get that ground to shift.

Ff this thread.

Fuck you OP, you and your ilk have ruined this forum. This is not a trans forum, get it? Nobody fucking cares and nobody wants to be associated with you.

r61, Ok, if "overcorrection" and "dubious" are your definitions, what is it called when Repugs insist on Flag pins or flag humping, in Trump's case? How about the phony outrage over ball players, men who make a living playing with balls, kneel during a song? Just being assholes?

[quote]To you, this means we must just be stupid. To us, this means you'll sell us all out Women, children, Gays, the Elderly, the Environment, Education, Healthcare - all of it and everything. You'll sell us out and support fascist shitheads like Trump and DiSantis to get your own way and fuck everyone else and every other issue in the world.

Why do you have such binary thinking? Anyone that criticizes anything trans is pro Trump? How simple minded are you?

What is the opposite of woke? Unconscious.

r77, please tell us ONE candidate you voted for that was PRO TRANS and anti-fascist where that candidate's broader anti-fascist policy positions were more important to you as an American than the trans issue?

I'm betting you can't do it and you didn't do it.

R75, do you think two wrongs make a right? Republicans are phony, Christo-fascist lunatics, therefore it’s okay if progressive policies and activism go off the rails? Do you not see how juvenile that line of thinking is?

^No, I'm asking for a definition and an antonym of "woke".

R24 Your mother should have taught you the English language.

Did my definition not suffice? Are you not aware of the policies and the activist refrains I’m referring to? Why is an antonym necessary?

R27 What does "cis" mean again? I forget.

[quote]Transgenderism is popular only in dystopian places. Places like Nazi Germany, the Middle East, Brazil—can’t let that happen in America.

The sheer blunt force stupidity of that statement threatens to rip apart the fabric of the space-time continuum.

People hate Mexicans more than they hate trans people. I think the Republicans need to shift their focus in order to win.

R83, according to gender ID ideology, ‘cis[-gender]’ is a “gender identity” that aligns with a person’s sex, and it implies that the person in question actually HAS a “gender identity”, the result of much introspection and consideration, and that after giving it thought, recognizes that there is a certain way men and women are supposed to behave, present, and feel, and has decided that they “identify” with those oppressive stereotypes associated with their sex.

Who is this hysterical "CUNT"-shouting nutjob? I don't even feel like I'm anti-trans. I know a couple of people who have transitioned, and they seem better off. But if this shrieking, bonkers nut bitch is their spokes-bitch or whatever, no wonder they're running into opposition.

You are either awake or asleep you cannot be both. So if you are not "woke", what are you? Or is it just a slur to convey contempt?

(Now ask what ‘non-binary’ means. It’s even better.)

R89 I think it means if you're a guy, you produce a three days' growth of beard and then smear purple eye shadow on your eyelids. OMG, how fucking revolutionary and profound!

R88, if you want a better word than ‘woke’, one that will connote the type of activist overreach the current “slur” does, you’re asking the wrong person. Pick a word, any word. I don’t care. It won’t change the nature of the current policies or policy proposals.

Woke is a cool word. Erykah Badu was the first person to use it in that context. She's been cancelled several times by woke people since then.

R87, you’re making that person sound like a lot of fun!

You and your multiple personalities don't speak for all of us, r72.

What the hell are you basing that on, r85?

r87, they're like this with anyone and any space that opposes them and doesn't capitulate. They are [bold]unhinged[/bold]. Jokes and bitchiness aside, there's a palpable rage in their posts that makes you feel like you're reading something from some mass shooter on 4chan. They're so unlikeable, it's easy to see why they need to hide behind us to make any political gains.

You'll never get a logical answer on how a person can be non-binary, r89.

R94 As far as I can gather, the whole non-binary thing just seems to come down to dressing up and striking attitudes on Instagram. The Summer of Love lasted longer than this silliness will.

Unfortunately, it’s already lasted longer than that. And non-binary (a completely undefined and undefinable bourgeois identity that literally ANYONE could take on without changing a THING about themselves or their life) is considered a protected characteristic.

R68. I think we're saying the same thing really.

People have other things they really want to worry about and so aren't worried about the symbolic politics that the Republicans are pushing so hard. It's logical that they would then be distrustful of Republicans for not speaking to the practical issues. they actually care about. Whether or not they were actually "turned off" by the R messaging is really academic.

At the end of the day the public cut through the bullshit and saw that there are fundamentally things at threat here like the economy and personal safety/rights that the Republicans are badly equipped to handle. Democrats need to refine their messaging for 2024 to really hammer this point home.

My neovagina itches.

You "both sides moderate" fuckers are lucky DL is anonymous. You've made complete asses out of yourselves for a very long time on here. Your bullshit obsession with every garbage issue from trans to CRT to "identity politics" to "woke" to "migrants/immigrants" or anything else that painfully ugly Bill Maher told you to think was some huge concern for real Americans, when it never was an issue and many of us told you it wasn't. You really thought a woman having her rights stripped from her is no where near as important as a fucking drag queen reading stories? A lot of you clearly don't leave your fucking hovels. Perhaps if you did, you'd know most of the world isn't walking around scared that a transwoman competed in some swimming event. I personally don't think transwomen should compete in women's sports, but I'm also not stupid enough to believe most would stupidly base their vote on THAT knowing how evil the Republicans are.

If not for gerrymandering in FL and NY, the Dems would've already kept the house. I've said it for a long time. The Republicans are a minority party. They can't win shit unless they fix it. They have no policy except hysterical nonsense that a lot of you push on their behalf.

All I can think of for a definition of non-binary, R96, would be "relatively masculine lesbian with issues"?

Excellent, R99.

Why are so many posters here, who claim they're the height of urban sophistication, such suckers for Republican talking points like trans, CRT, defund the police, BLM, ad nauseum.

The klan grannies here are every bit as reactionary as the biggest rubes in backwoods Kentucky and West Virginia.

Keep this in mind: The GOP --rather than be introspective about their bullshit politics-- want to blame Trump for why they lost. The American people don't like a party who claim to be about "small government" literally trying to control every fucking aspect of your life. And rather than reflect on why they will never get the youth vote, they will try and STOP young people from voting.

Statewide, they did badly in most of the country. They need to settle for gerrymandered districts giving them their "W"

I don't think young women objecting to Lea Thomas competing in women's races and dick wagging in the ladies changing room are 'klan grannies--' but you do you, R101.

Trans hate didn't bring the boys to the yard, uh, in the voting booths nationwide. But good lucking beating that dead horse, anti trans trolls.

R47 must be doing a parody. Hilarious!

R104, GOPers always vote, regardless of what the 'issues' are.

I thought that much has been clear through the years, and we can only hope Dems are learning this lesson.

[quote]Most gains were from moderate pro-choice Democrats who smartly avoided trans issue to not turn off moderates and independents. The biggest proponents for trans rights are Democrats in strong liberal strongholds who have no competition.

You and most of the fucking half-wits who liked your post can't actually point to pro-choice Democrats who won having abandoned trans people. Josh Shapiro and Whitmer pummeled their opponents. Can you link to them specifically ignoring trans rights?

Remind me who won in KS since you seem to think the "trans" issue is what cost Dems:

[quote]In Kansas, Gov. Laura Kelly (D) was pounded for vetoing two bills banning transgender girls and women from competing on women’s sports teams.

correction: ALL of the fucking half-wits.

[quote] I don't think young women objecting to Lea Thomas competing in women's races and dick wagging in the ladies changing room are 'klan grannies--' but you do you, [R101].

Transphobia and racism go hand in hand so I didn’t misspeak. I said what I said. And yes, I will go do me CUNT!

Jesus Christ, even now, you trans-obsessed people still don't get it. Most voters are normal and logical (aka, not you). They don't go into the god damned voting booth thinking "Gee, I know my granddaughter might get raped, become pregnant and will be forced to have the baby, but I must prevent that trasnwoman from swimming!"

transwoman*

I'm R101. R103, not only are you a racist piece of shit klan grannie, you're a stupid, mother fucking klan grannie who lacks basic reading comprehension skills.

The only klan grannies to which I was referring were dumb assholes like you. Now slink back to your shithole meth-ridden trailer park from whence you came.

Hopefully the young ladies you supposedly care so much about are a bit more eloquent than you. They're going to need all the help they can get with all those trannies wagging their 10 inch cocks in their faces.

[quote] I will go do me CUNT!

Love it when masks fall.

Tranny is triggered, screaming and ready to throw a punch.

Rule 1: Know your audience…

Now my neovagina is scabby.

Americans think 21% of the population is trans?

R117, still giving a shit about "polls" I see. You don't even wonder how many "Americans" were actually asked.

Mind you the sample group was women over 80 living in Western Kansas!

Everyone’s asking “what is a woman,” like it’s some kind of gotcha, when the real question is, “why should someone’s gender - whatever it is - have any impact on their rights as a citizen?”

R120, because people aren't living in individual bubbles of rights isolated from everyone else's. You need to strike a fair balance, especially in case of protected groups on both sides of argument as in the case of women.

And because there's a fundamental clash of rights definition. The current trans ideology bases gender rights on some nebulous and completely subjective opt-in-and out concept of 'self-ID ' - while the traditional genders base them on the immutable and objective characteristic of biological sex.

R99 What bullshit. "I personally don't believe transwomen should compete in women's sports." Really? You don't even have the courage of your own confused convictions. And you think the DL message board weighs in the political scales? Please provide some evidence for that nonsensical opinion. And if you don't think woke intimidation has had a negative impact in academia and in the arts, then you haven't been paying attention. But then that's self-evident in your case.

A rational person just has to ask themselves: Why is trans an issue only for women's sports, women's prisons, women's rape centres, women's bathrooms -- and not for men's?

The answer is obvious.

Only mystnogonists ask that. Stop being anti-trans and just let them play sports. How does it effect you any, CUNT?

Wokeness is the current Republican word for tolerance. It was preceded by political correctness and the like. The greatest threat to white supremacy and the Trump party is tolerance. If a person is tolerant, they do not see enemies. White supremacists need to be...supreme. Everyone who is not like them is an enemy. All those woke people.

[quote]How does it effect you any, CUNT?

Triggered!

The one triggered is YOU! Go suck my click, you anti-trans CUNTBAG!

Fuck you, R122. I'll go slower for you: You can personally be anti-abortion and still believe other people have a right to choose what's best for THEM. Me personally not believing in transwomen competing in women's sports does not mean I would be stupid enough to vote for the Republicans based on that issue alone. It doesn't rule my life the way it does yours.

You don't look normal at all completely obsessed with the issue. You look like complete idiots magnifying the issue to the point that you've convinced yourself that it affects your very life. And spare me the "woke" bullshit. You people are fucking loons with your stupid obsession. A fucking 19yo wanting to be called "they," is not hurting you the way the god damned Republican party via their policies will.

Your biggest problem is your inability to look at the bigger picture and prioritization.

r125 Are you tolerant of male sex offenders being put in female prisons because they identify as women?

You talking about the guards, R129?

[quote]Me personally not believing in transwomen competing in women's sports does not mean I would be stupid enough to vote for the Republicans

Nobody said otherwise, you loon. You can not believe in transwomen competing in women’s sports and still be a Democrat. It’s not a binary choice.

[quote] A fucking 19yo wanting to be called "they," is not hurting you the way the god damned Republican party via their policies will.

R128 The "bigger picture" certainly does escape you. Such as people losing their jobs, due to that 19 year old's delusions. A gay man just won a New York Congressional race on a platform of common sense. Far more effective at vote catching than your abusive diatribe.

R132, most of this country rejected your obsession with buzzwords.

R133 The only "obsession" is your penchant for verbally abusing anyone who has the temerity to dissent for your peculiar worldview. But that's fascism, ain't it?

R129, you sick cunt. Transgender offenders have been sequestered in prison. You are creating intolerance. I am more upset that M Taylor Greene is allowed to use a public ladies room. Evil man in a dress.

r135, so that's a yes for you.

R135 "oh why won't somebody please think of the tranny sex offenders!"

The people freaking out about trans are exactly the same people who would have been freaking out about the satanic abuse of children in daycares in the 1980s. You know, those people we look back on and laugh at now. It's a moral panic, and the wild-eyed hysteria you can feel coming off these posts (what about the women and childreeeeeeen?! the trans are here to steal all the women's rights away and rape theeeeeem!) is set at the exact 11/10 level it always is for this kind of non-issue.

Woke lectures about women having dicks? The government "forcing" us all to bow to the gender ideology boogeyman in a show of "dangerous" "totalitarianism?" Fuck off. Really, just fuck off. The only place I EVER see woke lectures about lady dicks is Twitter, never in real life (and I live in a super liberal major city in Canada) and so far the government hasn't said shit to me about "use this pronoun or else." Nor will they. And PS. I know you already know this, but at least half those woke lady-dick ranters are you guys (in ironic political drag).

And like R99, no I don't think it's fair for bio males to be competing against bio females. The turn against that has already started and within a couple of years will be complete. I also don't think bio male sex offenders should be imprisoned with women (although y'alls don't give a fuck about sex offenders against men being imprisoned with men, do you?). But I don't fear or hate trans people - in fact I support them living their best lives and will happily use the pronoun of their choosing. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COST ME A THING OR DO ANY DAMAGE TO ME OR MY LIFE TO DO SO.

And don't start screeching about women's rights (which I 1000% believe you totally, sincerely care about). I'm a woman. No trans people have threatened my rights so far, and it's not on the horizon either.

Read the link and feel bad about yourselves. Not if you're a troll, ofc. I know trolls gonna troll. But if you're a normal person and you've bought that this transpanic is a real thing, holy fuck please put your energy into a real problem.

[quote] It's a moral panic, and the wild-eyed hysteria you can feel coming off these posts

R138 Uh, no, it most certainly is not. It's bewilderment at those who demand that the delusions of others be blindly accepted and pandered to. It's dissent from the belief that humans can be transformed into something else via medical intervention. It's the refusal to jettison common sense for whims and arrogant diktats. It's the objection to the cost of my life/livelihood for my dissent and refusal.

[quote]Uh, no, it most certainly is not.

Uh, yes, it most certainly is. And you've fallen for it hook, line and sinker. Idiot.

R140 Fallen? For what? Your peculiar worldview? Uh, no, I most certainly have not. Go back and read R139 again. S L O W L Y.

[quote] so far the government hasn't said shit to me about "use this pronoun or else."

Say what R1

^^^^ R138

Say what R138????

Or "why should someone even bother addressing a deliberately cunty question like that? "

"...and will happily use the pronoun of their choosing. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COST ME A THING OR DO ANY DAMAGE TO ME OR MY LIFE TO DO SO."

Defying the conventions of English grammar and communication proves nothing and advances no one. But you're right, it doesn't cost me a thing. These people are marginalizing themselves.

r136, r137, you are knitting straw panties and conjuring up hateful scenarios.

But I do love an insufferable cunt no matter how wrong they are.

Didn't we already know this with Caitlyn Jenner's run for governatrice?

Trans are 0.00001% of the population, they pose 0 risk compared to the conservatives pushing for little underage girls having to give birth to babies conceived through rape, and women having to risk their death, against their will, in order to bring a baby to term. Those are actual threats women face these days in quite a few states.

Thankfully, enough US citizens still recognize that.

My apologies ... in order to carry a baby to term.

Men pretending to be women don't have a right to womens' spaces whether you like it or not, R127. It's not a right for autogynephiles to get their dicks out in front of girls in bathrooms. Also, why should girls lose their scholarships and female athletes lose medals, their opportunities to compete or have their records screwed up because silly straight White men want to pretend they're female? The trans cult has exposed White left-wing males to be the fucking snakes in the grass we always knew they were. Take your meds and shut the fuck up.

Why tf should I care what some random CCP shill claims on Twitter, OP?

Are you the MSM? They seem to only be capable to copy-paste Tweets and present them as "articles" these days.

In short, FAIL!

[quote]But have we noticed men aren't a target. It's always 'what is a woman, define a woman'. Gee, I wonder why.

Because you anti-transers are using the Trojan Horse method of trying to infiltrate LGBT and break it up so that it's not a cohesive voting bloc or community, r48. That means you do nothing but bring up trans women, saying that men who transition to women are actually evil rapist scum who threaten women constantly in their restrooms, and boys who are trans or non-conforming are actually gays that the evil Wokes And Also Jews Plus Big Med are trying to erase the existence of. THAT is why all you talk about are trans women. Don't lay that shit on normal, everyday centrist or liberal people, it's all on you.

And also we see you struggling to remember to use " instead of ' while you're pretending to be American, so maybe just save yourself some time and stop pretending?

[quote]Defying the conventions of English grammar and communication proves nothing and advances no one

This is really fucking rich coming from a bunch of people who can't go five minutes without talking about "the woke."

This thread is rife with literal violence. 😬

Some Republicans have noticed: Being anti-trans won't get you votes. The average (non-Southern) American is less hate-filled than the average Datalounger.

Scapegoating the LGBT Community does not work on a greater scale when bigger issues like Abortion are on voters' minds. Sure, there are still the uninformed voters easy to manipulate with right wing lies, but they are a clear minority. Young voters are a lot more savvy when it comes to social media misinformation. They have developed a "stranger danger" skill to spot fakes, bots, and misinformation schemes.

[quote]Trans are 0.00001% of the population, they pose 0 risk compared to the conservatives pushing for little underage girls having to give birth to babies conceived through rape,

Which common logical fallacy is on full display in this argument? Discuss.

Which common mental illness/psychosis/phobia is on full display @R158? Discuss.

Exactly none, R159.

But you exhibit the Trump syndrome.

When DeSantis was going on about "Florida is where Woke goes to die!" during his victory speech, it seems so out of place, considering the rest of the country completely rejected that GOP line.

He will have to completely change his message if he want to be effective in 2024

[quote]Some Republicans have noticed: Being anti-trans won't get you votes. The average (non-Southern) American is less hate-filled than the average Datalounger.

These aren't average DLers; these are Putin paid trolls. Note their absence right after the end of the election...

Should my neovagina be leaking pus?

We don’t need to lie about biological reality to support trans people. Transwomen are biological males who identify and live as women.

[quote] We don’t need to lie about biological reality to support trans people. Transwomen are biological males who identify and live as women.

Why do you see it as lying? You believe you are a woman? Sure, you do you. The only reason people make a deal about it is that they want to make a big "inferior vs. superior" deal about it. Biology "dictates" that I call you an inferior lying freak! Sow-ry (not sorry)!

[quote]You believe you are a woman?

Some grown men believe they are toddlers. By R165's logic, they are in fact toddlers and should be let loose among the actual toddlers.

Thank goodness the average American is more enlightened and less pathetically obsessed with trans than some of these idiots on DL who clearly have no lives. You can't possibly have a life being this obsessed with transpeople.

R167 What if you’re trans? Can you then?

And still MTG uses the women's restroom with impunity.

[Quote] Some grown men believe they are toddlers. By [R165]'s logic, they are in fact toddlers and should be let loose among the actual toddlers.

Some grown men say they want to have sex with other men! Hilarious!!

[Quote] You can't possibly have a life being this obsessed with transpeople.

That’s actually how he makes a living. He’s a straight man pretending to be gay and anti-trans because Putin pays him too.

Too bad he didn’t get the message that Putin stopped paying right after the election

[quote]Some grown men say they want to have sex with other men! Hilarious!!

R170, that's not an example of a belief or 'self-ID".

R172, the right wing says it is