Call me DOCTOR

If she has a doctorate, then call her doctor. It's not that hard and sign of general respect When did these things become so hard?

should he call her "doctor" though ? is she an MB ? if she's not a quack, if it's a PHD , she shouldn't be called doctor. in this case he was right.

Of course he's an old white guy. Shocking..

Dr. Jill Biden

Dr. Maya Angelou

Dr. Bill Cosby

Person with a Doctorate, not an MD: "Call me Doctor!"

Me: "Ok, Dr. Pretentious Cunt."

It's so declassee to demand to be called by an academic honorific, especially with the abject reduction in academic standards.

I feel the same way about "Dr." Jill Biden.

But you see this most with one class of persons - guess who - the same type that love to flex on social media with ghetto honorifics like KING/QUEEN/PRINCESS/etc.

Her voice is obnoxious and sounds just as I would expect of someone wanting to flex like this.

[quote] Person with a Doctorate, not an MD: "Call me Doctor!"

me, having a cardiac arrest on a plane : "hem, Fuck NO"

It's gauche to call yourself a Dr when you're a PhD and not a medical doctor. It's a dick move to not call such a person Dr if they ask to be called that.

DrPH in Health Education, School of Public Health, Loma Linda University

It's a doctorate program, so I guess she's entitled to be called "doctor."

She's entitled to it in an academic setting, among academics, or - if she insists - with subordinates (i.e., students).

This was none of the above.

[quote]It's gauche to call yourself a Dr when you're a PhD and not a medical doctor.

I think it is more common with African Americans, Jill Biden notwithstanding.

I have a PhD

R12 is exactly right

I'm a Black woman. I have mixed feelings about this issue. Many Black women who have a doctorate degree insist on using it as a title, particularly in academia, because they say they are disrespected without it. On other hand, in general, it pisses me off that some people are trying to pull rank by using it. A doctorate reflects a great deal of work, but it's also easier to get a doctorate than it used to be. Why should someone with a Ph.D. from a mediocre program (I'm not talking about the woman in the tape, I know nothing about her or where she went to school) get called "Doctor" when a graduate from an elite professional school that was much harder to get into doesn't get a title?

If someone says they want to be called "doctor" I'll oblige, but that may make me wonder how secure they are. I don't care about your title, I care about the quality of your statements.

I think "doctor" should be reserved for people with medical and dental degrees. And I'm not always sure about that.

Medical professionals should be referred to as Dr regardless of the setting. PhDs and other lesser doctoral degrees should only be referred to as Dr. in a professional setting only. Anything else is tacky (I'm talking to you, Dr. Jill).

+ he probably has a much richer pedigree than her little diploma, what should she call him ? his eminence ? I understand that she's proud of her achievment, and rightly so, but she's out of line here.

Dr. Rachel Maddow.

Does Roxane Gay have her Ph.D.?

Is that why she's so nasty?

Dr James Franco (yes, yes)

R16 is a wonderful lady.

For many women of color, it's important to have their doctorate acknowledged and respected.

[Quote]As a woman of color, first-generation college student, turned doctor, I see the use of hard-earned titles as hardly a power move. I’ve lost count on the number of times I’ve been the only faculty member in a meeting or conference session not called “Dr.” or the only faculty member students refuse to call “Dr.,” but rather use “Miss.” The disregarded earned title of Dr. for women of color is not simply an instance of forgetfulness. Rather this practice minimizes the visibility of women of color with doctorates and further perpetuates the inequitable opportunity of this population in education and society.

R20

Per Wikipedia:

"Gay received a Ph.D. in Rhetoric and Technical Communication from Michigan Technological University in 2010.[20] She was inducted into the Omicron Delta Kappa Circle.[21] Her dissertation is titled Subverting the Subject Position: Toward a New Discourse About Students as Writers and Engineering Students as Technical Communicators."

his being ( allegedly ) a racist POS, is a different matter, but in this context, she's no "doctor".

The report said he left her a voicemail apologizing. She accepted the apology but still felt the need to take it public. Why?

He's been removed. Happy now Doctor Cunt?

She was asked to speak to the zoning official because of her education and her position as a professor at the university, thus she should have been referred to as Doctor. If she were standing in line at the DMV, probably not but this was certainly an instance in which she was there precisely because of her degree and position.

Anyone who has earned a Ph.D. deserves to be addressed as Dr. It is up to them when and where they choose to use the title. Earning a Ph.D. in most universities is no small feat.

People with honorary degrees, maybe not.

To refuse to use the title when addressing someone entitled to use it says everything you need to know about that person (and not in a good way).

shall I....chime in ?

You should only use titles with people with doctorates when they are in their work settings and you are consulting them on work related matters. Thus in their clinics and medical buildings you call MDs "doctors" if you are their patient or working with them, and on campuses students address their professors with doctorates either as "professor" or as "doctor" (depending on what part of the country you're in).

No one needs to address an MD, DDS, EdD or a PhD as "Doctor" socially.

I'm telling you NOW, so I don't have to tell you LATER!

R28

Earning a professional degree at a top school is also no small feat and the competition is more intense. In the past, to get a Ph.D. not only did you have to demonstrate mastery of your area by writing a dissertation and defending it, there were other requirements, such as having a reading knowledge of two foreign languages relevant to your field. Not every program today is so rigorous.

In an academic setting, they're entitled to use their title, I'm not as sure about other contexts.

OP, the example you linked to shows an expert invited to speak at a zoning meeting, which is a public forum. She was at the meeting specifically for her credentials and level of education. Anyone who has earned a doctorate and is speaking publicly about their area of expertise should be addressed as "Doctor" if they so request. To refuse to do so is a sign of disrespect.

Your question and the obvious premise of the thread is an attempt to ignore that. Fuck off, troll.

R26

We don't know that she had anything to do with making it public, although it obviously upset her so she had every right to do so. Although I wrote earlier that, in general, I have mixed feelings about this issue, I do think the commissioner was rude in this case.

I’m with the guy. PhD’s are ridiculous.

Dr. Baba Booey

I'm sorry, but if you don't dispense pills. You don't have to addressed as doctor.

“I have no ill will towards Mr. Collins…”, says woman who is blowing up a petty, local issue and his reputation on Inside Edition

R30 has it right.

Should you [italic]have[/italic] to refer to people how they ask? No. But if they ask, is it so much a burden to do so? No.

I've been in the opposite position to this scenario. The person I see for dermatology and whom for almost 2 years I called "doctor" is a physicians assistant. I never knew what to call her so in my last appointment, I just asked. She said to refer to her by her first name, which I still find a bit awkward. Nevertheless, problem solved.

What happened to simply showing each other a bit of respect? I know for many, they were never shown any respect. It's not that hard to be polite and treat others how you would like to be treated. And it would go a long way to solving many of the problems we face as a people.

I have two PhDs (not humblebrag—simply reveals how far some of us go to assuage—unsuccessfully—insecurities), they are in different fields. I find it tacky to insist that people use the title. In a classroom, it may be a good way to clarify for students that teachers and students are organizationally in different hierarchical positions (over-familiarity can muddy recognition that teachers and student are simply unequal in power—not in a punitive way, just, realistically, teachers at the end of the day grade—students have increasing power with the growing emphasis on course evaluations). I’ve had students ask me how to address me—the culture of my school and department meant that many senior faculty were addressed in a first name basis. I told them I didn’t care (I really didn’t). I do think there are benefits to establishing a culture that supports student (and colleague) respect for new or young faculty, and women and people of color are often not taken as seriously, alas, so I understand the reason behind. (I’m a white gay”cos” (and sissy!) male, just to give context.

Well if someone with a PhD insists, I think its ok. She is an associate professor as well, so it's not out of hand. Especially fo his age. When I was in college in the 80s we called most professors "Doctor" so and so. In the USA. Is this no longer true? in 2020s professors are called "Professor so and so" exclusively?

Vid not cos—no, I don’t identify as a cat and have a litter box in my classroom!

R1 when cunts like the stankin ass cracker refused to abide by the rules of tradition and human respect.

PHD recipients have always been referred to as doctors. I'm so sick of these fake ass Americans.

R7, It only became pretentious when minorities starting receiving PHDs. Die in a grease fire you uneducated ho.

[quote] When I was in college in the 80s we called most professors "Doctor" so and so. In the USA. Is this no longer true? in 2020s professors are called "Professor so and so" exclusively?

r42, it's always dependent on where you where you go to school, and it was that way in the 1980s too.

In the East, professors are usually addressed as "Professor XXX" at research universities. I went to college at one in the 80s in Massachusetts and we only ever called out professors "Professor XXX." In the South, it's usually preferred to call them "Dr. XXX." In the Midwest and the West it's often dependent on the specific school.

At small liberal arts colleges just about everywhere (except some of the tighter-assed schools in the South like Sewanee or U of Richmond) to address the professor by his or her first name

I prefer subtler clues as to the extent of someone's assholery, like whether they put 'Dr.' on their personal return address labels when mailing holiday cards.

The only professors I addressed as doctos are those with PHDs which most of my professors at my prestigious high school were and some of them when I attended NYU.

I appreciate the point that this is not on campus and the man is mature and not a student. However if she was invited as an academic expert then he can be polite enough to address her as she requests.

I don't like Jill Biden being forced on the general public as First Lady "Dr. Jill Biden" - it's pretentious.

On her community college campus, fine. At an education conference, sure.

It's too confusing. If you're having a medical emergency and someone yells, "is there a doctor in the house", you wouldn't want some Gender Queer PhD to step up to the plate.

We need to come up with an entirely different title for highly educated, distinguished people of all disciplines who are NOT medical doctors. Something that conveys respect, but doesn't imply that the person could save your life if you had a heart attack.

How about Grand Poobah (GP)?

R51 ok but no gender queer PhD would rise to that occasion. The doctorate title has always been used for those who earned the credentials in professional settings. Try harder next time.

She worked hard for that degree, and she should bask in it she she wishes.

He was just acting like any other old white man waving his cane and screaming 'get off my lawn!'

^^And she's acting like any other angry, woke, black woman screeching about what a victim she is.

They call me MISTER TIBBS!

Rofl.

Honestly, this is a ridiculous argument.

I will not call you doctor.

And I will not call you they/them.

In fact, if you demanded that I do so, I would tell you to FUCK RIGHT OFF.

R54, Umm actually she's not a victim. She earned a PHD in US of KKK.

R56, that's fine but you will be met with contempt in academic and professional settings. Now fuck right off to the salad bar at ruby Tuesday you low brow, resentful flyover scrub.

Unless a Doctor title is in the medical field, you're arrogant expecting anyone to acknowledge that piece of paper.

Yeah I disagree. Why should some crappy M.D. deserve "Doctor" more so than, say, a world famous PhD scientist of great accomplishment?

[quote]Why should some crappy M.D. deserve "Doctor" more so than, say, a world famous PhD scientist of great accomplishment?

That argument wouldn't seem to bode well for PhDs who aren't distinguished in their fields.

[quote]R56 Honestly, this is a ridiculous argument. I will not call you doctor. And I will not call you they/them. In fact, if you demanded that I do so, I would tell you to FUCK RIGHT OFF.

I can’t imagine why you’re alone.

But people are saying ONLY medical doctors should be accorded Dr., socially.

These threads about this matter always read the same, and we get several of them every year.

They mostly serve as an excuse for people without PhDs to whine and bitch about people who have them. "How dare you hold a higher degree than I do! You must think you're better than I am!"

Classic anti-intellectualism.

Dr. Demento!!

I’m a DOCTOR!

R64, exactly, these people aren't expecting to be called doctors at Friday night charades. It's in professional or workplace settings, and it's always some arrogant you know pictured who can't give minorities their due respect.

Fair game to attack honorary PhD recipients.

"A DrPH degree is categorized as a terminal degree **on a par with the degree of PhD**, Doctor of Medicine, Doctor of Education, Doctor of Social Work, or Doctor of Psychology."

I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV.

R70, I played one in the bed sheets.

My dad has a doctorate and is a retired college professor. He’d rather be kicked in the balls than be called doctor and would always tell his students and colleagues as much. My sister apparently always refers to him on social media as “my Daddy*, Dr. ____” according to my cousins who keep me apprised of her shenanigans on fb. Thank god neither me nor Dad are on social media.

*She lives in the south where apparently small-town, middle-aged adults still call their parents Mama and Daddy. Dad would rather be kicked in the balls than be called Daddy by his grown-ass daughter. But he loves her and puts up with it.

Call me MA'AM!!!

I never call anyone doctor aside from MDs, dentists, or veterinarians. Even when I was in university I referred to my professors as "Professor (last name)." It's too weird to call my neighbour Dr. Burgess just because he has a PhD. I can understand academic professionals referring to each other with the prefix "Dr." formally in an academic setting though.

The DL BIGOT BRIGADE appears time after time on this topic. Anyone with a basic understanding of Jim Crow history would understand the historical refusal of many (especially southern) whites to properly address a black man or woman as Mr., Mrs. or Miss, much less Sir or Madam. But Black doctors, theologians, educators and scientists with a doctoral degree understood that insisting on Dr. meant getting a measure of respect that other people routinely received.

Tell me: any one of you dare to argue that the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was not entitled to the title of Dr.?

We're not talking about your fucking neighbors or your down south barbecues or even your pointless papa's social media. That is all.

Sorry, R76, I'm not calling a person doctor just because they have a PhD. In an academic or other professional environment, sure, but not in a social setting No one I know with a PhD insists on being called "doctor" either.

R77, That's exactly what the fuck I just said. Reading is fundamental.

^ so you don’t know shit. Got it—thanks for your ignorance, R77.

R75 well. Now that you mention it. King is a POOR example to put forward. Since, it is FACT that he plagiarized his doctoral thesis.

Read it and weep.

R81 Fuck off, the man solved race relations for a generation. We all are imperfect. What the fuck have you done for humanity?

I'll wait.

[quote] I think it is more common with African Americans

Don’t even get me started. I get emails from black office workers who sign their names with the most ridiculous initials imaginable tacked on at the end. If they had a GED, they’d excitedly sign that after their names like idiots.

Maestro (Doctor)

I was taught to call all black men 'uncle' or 'boy'.

R82 plagiarizing your PhD thesis is a SERIOUS character flaw, since having a doctorate grants social and professional respect, and supposed intellectual integrity. YOU held him out as a person deserving to be called Dr. but his doctorate was built on fraud.

Yes we are all flawed. Your point?

R83 You must be low brow that you have a bunch of colleagues with only a GED. Sad. DL might fall for your lies but I don't.

[quote] Should you have to refer to people how they ask?

Unless you're a five year old or a petulant cunt, then yes.

This dude is such a fkin stubborn pompous prick. And all you cunts on here supporting him, you can bet how he's voting tomorrow.

Let's face it, women and especially black women have to fight harder for respect in the workplace.

Also, a lot of black people just do confer respect by addressing someone as "Dr. ___," "Professor ____," etc.

That said, it does seem a little silly for someone to demand to be called "doctor," whether it's an MD or a Ph.D. But would you call a judge (while you're in court) by their first name? No, you wouldn't.

My line is professional vs. social setting.

If you're in a professional setting, especially a professional setting related to your degree, then "Doctor" is not only fine, but should be used. Whether it's a classroom, offering professional opinions or testimony, or hospital, you should use your title.

However, you're a jackass if you attempt to force people to use the title in a social setting, including a medical doctor. DEMANDING people refer to you as "Dr. Name" outside of the specific professional setting where it matters is obnoxious.

White men will insist on titles in every possible way, shape, form and forum.

If they don't have an academic one, you better believe they will be introduced or announced with every NRA office they've held, or as Grand Poobah of a fraternal society, or their service as deacon of their church.

These cases of refusing to call someone Doctor is usually some bitter trashy MAGAt and it's either "just" racist or a double banger racist/sexist combo.

Is a Dentist a doctor? They only work on your mouth, not the whole body.

My father got his PhD in Watershed Management way back in 1972 or so. He has always demanded to be called "Dr" by everyone. It's on his checks, he introduces himself as "Dr", etc. But he has a huge ego and thinks he's smarted than everyone else.

I had to attend a speech by a black woman with a J.D. who called herself "Dr".

You have any idea what J.D. stands for? I'll bet you can guess the 'D' part if you try really hard.

Yeah, but I've never heard of a single person with a J.D. calling themselves a doctor.

R97, Ho please.

The only thing missing was his white hood and burning cross.

If some non-medical nincompoop demands I call them doctor, I demand they always refer to me as "Your Excellency."

[quote]If some non-medical nincompoop demands I call them doctor, I demand they always refer to me as "Your Excellency."

If I have an MBA, can I demand that people call me "Master?"

Sure!

You call people with doctorates "doctor" only someone who's never been to college would think otherwise. But of course in Trump country, their hate tinged ignorant voices are supposed to count for something, right?!

"I'm an MD. On a cruise ship, someone on the loudspeaker called for a doctor. By the time I got to the sick passenger, a Doctor of Divinity was already there."

R104, ahahahaha.

I have a (hard earned) PhD. The *only* time it is appropriate to use the title "Doctor" for me is an academic context. In any other situation, Mister will do. The same goes for other, especially professional, doctoral degree holders.

Only a medical doctor should be addressed as "Doctor" in normal, daily life. And even then, I have many friends who are MDs and they cringe at being called doctor unless it is a medical situation.

N.B., conferees of honorary doctorates are *never* to be addressed as "Doctor." (Looking at you, Maya Angelou.)

R83 why don’t you start by going back into your cave. Keep on grunting, moron.

FYI: the J.D. degree, or Juris Doctor, is NOT a doctorate. The JD designation was made out of ahold cloth a few decades ago to replace the LLB (the firmer post-undergraduate law degree.

Separate from the bigoted discussion here about use of “Dr.” —the easiest way for a legal recruiter to separate the good from the bad is by tossing any resume where it says “Juris Doctorsye”….a sure sign of puffery or ignorance.

* whole cloth

“Teacher of Law”

^ toss any resume where it says “Juris Doctorate”

It's just another pretentious, self-important Doctorate in Education - the easiest doctorate to get.

She was there for ZONING. Not as an expert in her field. She can fuck right off. Getting the guy fired is as entitled as you can get. And as least oppressed as you can get.

R112 was directed at the whiny bitch at the zoning meeting. Not at hard working lawyers who absolutely deserve to be worshipped as much as medical doctors. I mean who else is gonna keep your ass out of jail or put those medical doctors in their place when they fuck you up on the table?

Give it a rest, R75. No one is refusing to call her "doctor" because she's a black woman. Those of the opinion that "Dr." is only appropriate in an academic setting are including everyone with a PhD, not just POCs.

Someone on her said she acted like a woke victim.

Actually, she didn't. A victim would have just sat there and not said a word. Instead, she kept correcting him each and every time.

I guess old white men just don't understand English anymore. No wonder they're losing their grip.

How about putting Dr as one of your preferred pronouns on the apps? Thoughts?

But is she a doctor doctor.

^ About as much as you are an actress of the legitimate theater

R96 Jewish Dick?

If the PhD was white, the white gay “progressives” here would side with the gentleman, and this thread would not be grayed out.

R47

At my university, all the professors had Ph.D.s. They were always called "professor."

[quote]It's just another pretentious, self-important Doctorate in Education - the easiest doctorate to get.

No doubt some of my impatience with people who insist on the doctor title stems from my contact with Education Twitter. Many of them have education doctorates and they are some of the stupidest people I've ever met. No wonder our schools are in such bad shape. (There are a lot of reasons, obviously, but seriously, those pretentious, dumb, self-righteous and often woke folks aren't helping.)

R112

It wasn't clear to me whether she was there for her professional expertise or as just another resident. Didn't she say her specialty was health-related? I thought that might have some bearing on zoning but I don't know what the hearing concerned.

R103

We're not anti-intellectual. We hate pretentiousness.

R96

J.D. stands for "Juris Doctor." But no lawyer calls herself or himself a "doctor." I don't have time to look it up, but in the United States, the J.D. was introduced to indicate that the degree reflects a post-graduate level of education. Before then, the basic law degree was the L.L.B. (Legum Baccalaureus) or Bachelor of Laws. That sounds like an undergraduate degree and for some people it was. In the 1960s, law schools started upgrading their basic degree to the J.D. The American Bar Association suggested the new title.

R125

BTW, it is possible to get advanced academic degrees in law. After the J.D., there would be the L.L.M., the Master of Laws degree. And there is a Ph.D. It's not unusual for a practicing lawyer to get an L.L.M. in a specialized area like Tax.

I’m the Dr of Rock Hard Dick

Bullshit R121. I knew an old queen eldergay who was FORMERLY a dentist but insisted I, and everyone else on staff, call him Doctor. He was a huge cunt about it when

I obliged because it’s not worth the effort to argue on the clock, but I was rolling my eyes so hard.

But he, like this chick, was and is a CUNT. Race and sex had nothing to do with it.

Whoops that was for R120. Not 121.

And he was a huge cunt when I referred to him by his first name on our first meeting.

R121

I went to a research university in the Northeast.

R45

Yes, people with a doctorate degree have always been entitled to be called "Doctor." But in my experience, in the U.S., that title has not been routinely used.