Wonder Man is now black

Who the hell is Wonder Man?

Wow. They're really breaking the mold here, it wasn't even a redheaded character.

r1 a grossly overpowered villain turned hero... that didn't get much fanfare in decades past because he was so overpowered. But for some reason, younger Gen Z likes overpowered characters. It's the bulk of their media. One fart they can destroy the world but washing the dishes? that's like literal oppression.

A white guy of course.

I was in love with the character who I thought was a closeted gay actor before they hooked him up with Tigra in the mid-80s. Now not so much.

His best run was around Avengers #158 & the West Coast Avengers limited series in '84 (a knockoff idea of DC's Teen Titans West from 1977 from "The House Of Ideas").

The guy looks nothing like him. Bad casting all around He'll confuse part-time fans with Power Man who has similar powers =

Is it Opposite Day?

He has a degree from Berkeley in architecture, he was an urban planner, he went on to Yale Drama School, he won an Emmy and he’s getting rave reviews for his Broadway debut.

The recent trend of “black washing” fictional characters who were originally white has really gotten out of control.

It’s just more woke virtue signaling and the type mainstream anti-whiteness that has proliferated in Hollywood and the media since 2020.

What’s so wrong with keeping white fictional characters white? Or how about change them to Asian or Hispanic for a change? As small as this may seem to some, it’s an example of what’s driving many white moderates AND Hispanics (who get only a fraction of representation as blacks despite being a larger percentage of the US population) to the right.

Well the upcoming Ally McBeal remake is going to be Black-centric - this is no way as ridiculous as that.

R7. Go back to your Twitter cave, Neanderthal.

Yahya is a good actor and he's hot.

[quote]Or how about change them to Asian or Hispanic for a change?

Asians couldn't give a shit about this shit, so R8 must be another grieving Hispanic who has to state her boundaries here. Go back to your shithole country where your cunt mother came from, cunt!

He's a hotty.

R9, I’m not a bigot. I just find the “blackenization” of Hollywood to be fucking ridiculous and patronizing.

Dare to criticize black people in any way and get labeled a bigot in today’s hyper-sensitive woke culture. 🙄

R9 is an unstable cunt who needs to seek psychiatric assistance.

Okay, how many of you have ever heard of Wonder Man? This is nothing to get bent out of shape about. Some obscure character, hopefully this guy will do good things Wonder Man.

I will never get tired of super hero movies. Never, never, never. Absolutely never.

Never.

I think adults should have better things to do than to watch and discuss comic book movies. That's what I think.

Was Viola Davis already committed to another project?

Abdul-Mateen has a big muscle ass and a fat dick.

I approve of the casting.

Won't see it anyway. We don't need another hero. All we want is life beyond Thunderdome.

[quote]Well the upcoming Ally McBeal remake is going to be Black-centric - this is no way as ridiculous as that.

It focuses on her best friend's (Renee/Lisa Nicole Carson's) daughter and it will probably guest Callista/Ally (probably as her mentor ... if she likes the script) and Lisa again. It makes perfect sense. It fully relates to the original story of Renee and Ally's friendship. Now she's helping her daughter. You're just being a dick.

[quote]I’m not a bigot. I just find the “blackenization”

R13, But you are Blanche! You are! The fact that you made up that word just now clearly paints you as a bigot. If you have to say you're not before you speak then there's probably an issue.

[quote]The recent trend of “black washing” fictional characters who were originally white has really gotten out of control.

The great news is: people seem to like it (and it's not just black people) and it's good business so it doesn't actually matter what you think. It will keep happening.

Will he show his BBC?

Didn’t they already establish that Nathan Fillion is Simon Williams?

Movie posters from Guardians.

R7 his a nerve because he speaks the truth. R11 and r9 will enjoy being in the party OUT of power for years and bitch about"bigots" and"racists" literally the whole time.

Wish it was Wonder Woman who transitions and is also black. Hollywood has gotten so conservative...

He’s hot. I’m in.

I had no idea most of these superhero’s existed before these movies. He’s hot.

[quote] But for some reason, younger Gen Z likes overpowered characters.

Hmm. Sounds like a Beta character. Why would Gen Z feel an affinity to a Beta?

[quote]Didn’t they already establish that Nathan Fillion is Simon Williams?

He is. This is just a recast like when Terrence Howard turned into Don Cheeto or when Edward Snowden turned into Mark Ruffalo.

[quote]It focuses on her best friend's (Renee/Lisa Nicole Carson's) daughter and it will probably guest Callista/Ally (probably as her mentor ... if she likes the script) and Lisa again. It makes perfect sense. It fully relates to the original story of Renee and Ally's friendship. Now she's helping her daughter. You're just being a dick.

Why can’t it be about her own daughter and mentoring her?

R20 Ally McBeal was about Ally McBeal. Redoing the show about her friend's daughter is just dumb. The only explanation is they ran out of ideas and decided to shoehorn something onto a legacy show because they had nothing else to go with.

Wonder Man? Never heard of him.

Or how about change them to Asian or Hispanic for a change?

They made Namor (marvel's evil aquaman) Latino for the movies R7. He's being played by actor Tenoch Huerta who is a Mexican national.

BTW, it's way easier to change a characters "race" for a movie than it is to create a whole new character, make it successful within the existing comics world, then put it in a movie. Option 2 is nonsense when you've got hordes of characters just laying around already established... who for-no-real-reasaon are white.

In the comics, the brain patterns of Simon Williams (Wonder Man) were used to create the Vision, and Simon carried a torch for Wanda (the Scarlet Witch) after he reformed. I think they even dated. We'll see if they use any of that in the movie.

For all his power, Simon had a bit of a self-esteem problem. He had a bromance with the X-Men's Beast, back when the Beast was a much lighter character. (He's been a right bastard for the last 10 years or so.)

Yahya doesn't seem like good casting for that character, but I'm sure the movie Simon will have a different template. Tenoch Huerta doesn't match my conception of Namor at all, but they seem to have remodeled the character enough that he might be just fine for the movies.

I've heard of Wonder Bread...but not Wonder Man.

Enh, I honestly don't care, BUT even as a Black comic book fan, I must admit that it's getting excessive. At this point, I think writers are doing it just to piss off the Incels and people who've added "woke" to their everyday vocabulary.

I'm still gonna watch it (that's where the I don't care comes in).

r7

The racist thing is the fact that all of Marvel and DC's characters were white up until about the eighties except for black panther in Luke cage and a few others.

And if you want a black character who wasn't a sidekick or some street level guy you shit out a lot because Marvel and DC didn't make Superman type characters who will Black.

Even the black panther had to drink a magic potion to become as strong as a highly trained Olympic athlete, give me a fucking break. You need a magic potion to become something the average White guy can become just by working out.

So now in the 2020s people are realizing why should we be boxed in by the racist bullshit from 50 or 60 or 70 years ago.

Perhaps Yahya will let loose with some of those "divine" secrets of his "sisterhood."

Mmmmhmmmmm

Wonder Man was a low-self-esteem character with a tricky history - took credit for his brother's achievements, duped/pressured into villainhood, overcompensated for a while through egotism, difficult and negative role in the Vision/Scarlet Witch arc and headed up a disenchanted anti-Avengers team for a while. If they keep all or any of this, fine, but they won't: blackwashed characters usually end up incredibly noble and bland. The classic version of this is in the Supergirl series, where entertaining/irritating sidekick Jimmy Olsen becomes noble, award-winning photojournalist James Olsen who everyone has to say is wonderful at least once per episode. Meanwhile, they had to then create another entertaining/irritating sidekick (Winn) to actually take the Jimmy Olsen role.

That's ridiculous, R37. BP got his powers in essentially the same way Captain America did.

He's delish, idgaf about wonder man so his race change is not a problem to me.

Is he the actor who played Regina King’s husband on “Watchmen?” I’d watch that!

I mean they Namor Aztec/Mexican. They already screwed with Marvel Cannon way before the MCU with X-men. Just making up mutants rather than use the ones in the comics. Simon's story is so generic he could be black. He was an inventor like Tony Stark but was not as good so he failed where Stark become a billionaire.

Blacks are still only 13% of the US population. They don't need to be more than that in movies/TV comics for "equity".

[QUOTE]The racist thing is the fact that all of Marvel and DC's characters were white

Well of course. And why not? All of those characters were created by white men. It is their creation.

Unless the race of a character is absolutely core to the character (for example, Black Panther) I really do not care whether the race/ethnicity of the actor portraying them matches or differs to the comic book/book/previous film version of them. It is a complete irrelevance to me and should be to everyone.

[quote]It is a complete irrelevance to me and should be to everyone.

Oh I see. Because it is a complete irrelevance to YOU it should be for everyone else as well.

[quote] [R20] Ally McBeal was about Ally McBeal. Redoing the show about her friend's daughter is just dumb. The only explanation is they ran out of ideas and decided to shoehorn something onto a legacy show because they had nothing else to go with.

So don't watch it, gurl.

[quote] Well of course. And why not? All of those characters were created by white men. It is their creation.

It is more to do with how they were marketing these "products" than who created them. A superhero from another planet is just an idea. If you are selling that idea to a majority culture that wants to see themselves then your hero will be white. Likewise, if you are selling to a majority culture that would be fearful of, or indifferent to, a hero who is not white, then your hero will be white. Now that we live in a "post-racial" culture the owners of these heroes have license to make them any race (or gender) they chose, and certainly no one should object since white people aren't racist anymore.

Notice how they never change a character's gender to female.

Women are 52% of the US & NO comic book film reflects that number yet.

[quote]It is more to do with how they were marketing these "products" than who created them.

You are wrong about that.

They were white men of European heritage who created these characters. They wrote about their world. They would never made Superman a black man anymore than a Japanese author would have made lead protagonist black.

^Sorry for the typos!

[quote]Notice how they never change a character's gender to female.

Hello!

The original Captain Marvel was named a Kree soldier named Mar-Vell, and was male. He was sent on a mission to observe Earth, but eventually turned on his own people and sided with Earth, becoming the first Captain Marvel.

I see that blackwashed is the new term for racists and yes it's a racist term. When you're used to having 100% of representation in a given area and you're upset that you no longer have 100% that's a problem. Marvel took Nick Fury and Wonder Man and made them Black and of course racists are pissed off about it. They didn't even know who Wonder Man was 5 minutes ago.

[quote]Notice how they never change a character's gender to female.

Yeah that never happens...NEVER!

[quote]Notice how they never change a character's gender to female.

Never at all...

[quote]Notice how they never change a character's gender to female.

You got that right!

[quote]Notice how they never change a character's gender to female.

Yep

[quote]Notice how they never change a character's gender to female.

They'd never do such a thing!

[quote]Notice how they never change a character's gender to female.

Perish the thought!

[quote]Notice how they never change a character's gender to female.

I've noticed that, yes, you are right...

[quote]Notice how they never change a character's gender to female.

Fans would be up in arms!

[Quote] The classic version of this is in the Supergirl series, where entertaining/irritating sidekick Jimmy Olsen becomes noble, award-winning photojournalist James Olsen who everyone has to say is wonderful at least once per episode.

The backlash to Jimmy being black was ridiculous. SG fans really took it too far with all the monkey comments to Mechad.

[quote] They were white men of European heritage who created these characters. They wrote about their world. They would never made Superman a black man anymore than a Japanese author would have made lead protagonist black.

Superheroes are fiction. The writers were not depicting "their world." These characters were aspirational and completely untethered to reality. However, they were white so as to be palatable to their intended audience, not because only white people lived on Krypton. If writers had written about "their world" then it would have reflected their own racism as well as the racism of the intended audience and the times. Note that there were no racist superheroes, only villains. Racism is always wrong and reprehensible in these fictional worlds but would have been completely socially acceptable in the world of the writer. So in these fictional, idealized worlds, in 2022, Wonder Man (and Captain America) can be Black without offending the design or intent of their creators. But as we've seen, the "intended" audience is not as evolved or open-minded.

I think it is hilarious that those alt-right MAGAts think they should have anything in common with a superhero.

Again, Blacks are 13% of the population. Why would we expect "All these writers" (who were mostly not Black) to be creating "ALL these" black characters? Why is this 13% more important than everyone else?

R63 My problem with Mechad Brooks in that role was/is that he's too fucking HOT to play Jimmy Olsen-not his ethnicity. Same with Jackman playing Wolverine.

As I understand it, they are focusing on Wonder Man's Hollywood period, where in the comics he was a sort of second-tier Schwarzenegger/Lundgren type. Fair enough if he's now The Rock as a superhero, but it's whether they keep the rest of his borderline-loser persona. Usually when the MCU change the history it is still broadly in line with the original version - Ant-Man was an ex-con, Captain Marvel was in the military, as was War Machine etc. Probably the main exception is Falcon, in the comics a social worker with a petty criminal background, who becomes instead a noble war hero.

R64

Yep, they’re like Red Skull. But have deluded themselves into thinking they’re like Captain America.

For all of your people who actually know who Wonder Man is, did you get laid in high school? College? Everyone knows the main DC people and the XMen and Spiderman and Hulk. Possibly the Fantastic Four. But these obscure superheroes are strictly for the nerds and unpopular. If you actually give a fuck that an obscure superhero that no one else knows gets a gender or race change, then you really are racist. I'll give you a pass if Superman is cast as a black guy, but not some 4th/5th tier superhero.

I have never heard of Wonder Man at all. How obscure.

Just something for people to chew on: I don't understand why these studio decisions about race or gender bending are so difficult to grasp. Studios like money. This is just the market in action. They assess what will hit maximum viewer saturation and make decisions accordingly. You may not like it, but studios are clearly making the calculation that the potential loss of your business is worth reaching 5, 10 or even 20 others.

It's just good business.

Who the fuck cares about cape shit anyway?

[Quote] My problem with Mechad Brooks in that role was/is that he's too fucking HOT to play Jimmy Olsen-not his ethnicity.

Unfortunately lots of fans did have a problem with him being black. And as for being hot? So what. There are already several different versions of Jimmy that are closer to his comic counter part on the Superman shows/movies.

[Quote] I'll give you a pass if Superman is cast as a black guy, but not some 4th/5th tier superhero.

Black Superman does exist.

They know magic when they see it. Casting for these MCU shows has been on point (look at Moon Knight and She-Hulk). I bet he’s going to be epic.

And because of all of the multiple universes and timelines for superheroes in these movies and shows, there is no reason why Wonder Man or whomever can't be black or Asian or Eskimo or evil or without powers in these other universes. Doesn't one of these comic book companies of a million different Earths?

R43

Hm, I wonder if they’re going to make him be related to Riri Williams (same last name)?

R63

They did the same to Anna Diop as Starfire, and even to John Boyega as Finn.

When white Shaft? That’d be groovy!

The laughable part is not blacks getting representation, it’s the lack of Hispanic representation and the fact that blacks & their sycophants could care less.

Couldn't care less.......... The attitude is " We need more minority representation!!! Oh, I got mine? Then fuck the rest of you."

It’s going to be hilarious when the Hispanic majority is in place and takes power because they could give a rat’s ass about all this reparations bullshit.

[quote]...and the fact that blacks & their sycophants could care less.

Who are these "sycophants"?! And don't you secretly want to be one?

[quote] It’s going to be hilarious when the Hispanic majority is in place and takes power because they could give a rat’s ass about all this reparations bullshit.

Thanks for the warning. Of course, that sounds more like a comic book than a potential reality; so yeah, hilarious.

WM may be deemed obscure now, but when I was a comics reader in the 70s-80s he was an Avengers mainstay and had his own book. He had a way higher profile than a lot of the current figures and way more people read comics in those days. 'Obscure' is largely meaningless when figures like Ant-Man, Starlord, Moon Knight , the Eternals and Ms Marvel are fronting projects.

Does he live underwater?

Yes we can have black asgardians but change a black character to another race? Racists! Bigots!

R78

You mean like Black Panther: Wakanda Forever bringing Mexican Namor?

Get lost, racist.

Hopefully it will be better than some of the recent Marvel output.

R86

It’s funny how they omit that just to start a war between black people and Hispanics. Like that weirdo racist on Twitter who purposefully cropped out Namor from a poster to attack black people.

Funny how they made the black panther movie into a war between blacks and Hispanics by changing Namor from Atlantean to Aztec/Mayan.

R80

Actually, the protests over the LA city council’s racist scandal proves that many non-black Hispanics are against your BS anti-black propaganda.

Who fucking cares, honestly, if a fictional character is played by actors of different races from the "original"? It's FICTION and FANTASY.

But leave my James Bond alone!

Wonder Man will work fine as a black character. I have no problem with that at all.

I am glad they are bringing him into the DC Universe, because he can be a new romantic interest after the Vision for Wanda/The Scarlet Witch as he was in the comics.

Fun fact: Marvel only brought him back after he died in his first appearance (thought to be a one-time appearance) in the 1960s because they were so annoyed DC created a heroine called "Power Girl," which they thought infringed on their copyright for Luke Cage/Power Man. They wanted to irritate DC (who owned Wonder Woman) by having an ongoing character called Wonder Man. They actually made him a very interesting character, especially during Kurt Busiek's run as the writer for Avengers.

Wonder woman should be a trans woman of color.

r68 r70 - he was an integral part of the avengers for decades. If you read the Avengers you know who he is...

and to the poster about Cpt. Marvel - Carol Danvers was Ms. Marvel in the comics, she got her powers from Captain Marvel who's Kree name was Mar'vel. So no they didn't make Cpt Marvel a woman, she is now Cpt Marvel in the modern comics. The first one died of cancer I think,.

And yes I got laid...a lot actually, but then I could deep throat at 13.

[Quote] but then I could deep throat at 13.

Congratulations???

R53 Capt. Marvel is a continuation of the character down below. I doubt her alias is the same as his - Dr. Walt Lawson who later died from cancer.

I don't see them doing a female Capt. America or male Storm gender switches anytime soon.

R57 That's not a title role character either. See above.

Lead film heroes like Black Widow or Ghost Rider won't be gender-switched anytime soon in current Hollywood.

The problem many fans had was with someone like Beyonce being up for Wonder Woman who has a Greek background to her history.

Beyonce doesn't come off as Greek in any believable way. The fact that they would even attempt to disrespect Greeks & other groups but not blacks is a double standard in H-wood but no one can bring this up without being labeled a racist. That word is overused to shut down double standards & will backfire someday culturally & politically.

R78 What? GTFOH Why should Blacks give a FUCK about Hispanics when they don't give a FUCK about Blacks? Don't get mad because y'all continue to let yourselves get shit on. Grow some backbone like the Blacks did 60 years ago. We've EARNED that respect. WE made it so YOU can't say shit about us because we will crawl up your asses and come out the other end.

Hispanics should be doing the same. Gays should be doing the same. Asians should be doing the same. Everybody's in this pool.

R80 The Hispanic majority will NEVER be in power--at least in our lifetime. Not since they CONTINUE to vote against their best interests (Hello, DeSantis).

[quote]The attitude is " We need more minority representation!!! Oh, I got mine? Then fuck the rest of you."

I’ll take a page from YOUR script--”Stop whining and do something about it”

[quote] We've EARNED that respect. WE made it so YOU can't say shit about us because we will crawl up your asses and come out the other end.

Is that why you're still the lowest on most measures of success (income, wealth, education, you name it), despite decades of affirmative action?

[quote]Lead film heroes like Black Widow or Ghost Rider won't be gender-switched anytime soon in current Hollywood.

Dominqiue Thorne plays Ironheart in Wakanda Forever and an upcoming streaming series. In the comics, the character built her own version of Tony Stark's Iron Man suit, and took over the Iron Man comic for a short while.

There IS a woman Ghost Rider in the comics, Alejandra Jones. There are actually several different Ghost Riders.

I’m sure another racewashing series will do just fabulously. I mean people are just in love with:

- Black Captain America (I do like Mackie)

- Black Human Torch with his white adopted sister Sue

- Girl Hawkeye

- She Hulk (more direction than anything)

and I’m sure Black Woman Iron Man (Ironheart) will enthrall hundreds.

So why not bring on a middling Avengers castaway and make him black? That’ll be a smash success.

r107 The MCU wants to do away with the X-Men name it's sexist and outdated. It will be The Mutants or Y-Wxn

R107

Everything on your list, except for black Human Torch, was pulled from the comics.

I don’t get what your problem with She-Hulk is, unless you’re a conservative asswipe. It was pretty comic accurate, the way she was portrayed was just like how she is in the comics.

I think Sam Wilson, Kate Bishop and Riri Williams have more than earned their marks already and have proven to be legit original characters.

There was a female Capt America in the what if stories on Disney+ She was also in Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.

Also: one more race swap that actually pissed me off: Black Valkyrie, now Queen of Asgard.

Yes R110 many of these were “pulled from the comics” but the comics themselves simply did female ciphers of men, or race-bent ciphers of established names, and none were ever as popular as the originals. Similarly, their MCU properties are not popular (except Danvers).

Ms. Marvel (both Danvers and Kahn), Spider-Woman, She Hulk, Iron Heart, Hawkeye (Bishop)… while I love the bronze aged Jessie Drew and Jen Walters, they’re all cash-ins on existing properties.

Ironheart will bomb like Ms. Marvel did. Whether they’re in the comics or not. People don’t care for those properties because they want to see Iron Man and Capt. Marvel.

They need to work on their existing female properties and do them well. They could do Dazzler, Tigra, Hellcat, Kazar/Shanna.

DO NOT TOUCH OUR CULTURE BUT WE WILL DEVOUR YOURS!!!

She-Hulk had a better comic origin story with the blood transfusion that saved her life but left her with a terminal condition without a cure... and they were cowards for not keeping it in.

the updated version is an unlikable waaaahmanist cgi green Orion slave girl to her emotions mary sue that prides herself on being shitty. There's not much in the way of redeeming qualities, especially when criticism from more than just incel comicfags is returned with you're a woman hater if you hate this show, Bros. If her next entry isn't with purple hair, cat-eye glasses frames, an extra hundred pounds an queer identifying, I suspect she'll lose most of her fanbase.

but hey, at least a jury finds Fresno "attorney Jennifer Walters" not guilty of child sex crimes for a four year relationship with a 13 year old and using the excuse he assaulted her two months after her arrest. Unrelated, yet entertainment for those accused of being conservatives

I might get flamed for this, but I am very tired hearing about black people.

To R1...Who is "Wonder Man"...I agree with you; didn't know he was white& now He's Black?

All I know is "Wonder Bread", never heard of him.

To R115, as a "moderate to Liberal Democrat" I am beginning to agree with you!!

[quote] For all of your people who actually know who Wonder Man is, did you get laid in high school? College?

Yes, some of us learned to read before high school.

R115/R116, Black people are at least equally tired of being the objects of racist outrage. Certainly you can see in this thread and elsewhere we only hear about Black people due to anti-Black racist backlash. If you would just kindly solve racism all of our lives would be more...serene.

R118 racism is never going away. The pendulum will just swing the other direction.

R119

You racist conservatives really cherry pick. Black people still by far face the most hate crimes in the US.

Wonder Man is a made up character. Why not be black?

R120 21.2% of hate crimes were committed by Black or African Americans, who are 13% of the population.

When you talk anti-black VS anti-white your talking 2,800 vs 800 crimes, more yes but don’t act like it’s in the millions.

R101 what the fuck is he talking about? Classically white? In Batwoman's case, Kate Kane was replaced with an entirely new character because Ruby got fired. And Javicia's version is now part of the comics too.

R122

The vast majority of perpetuators of hate crimes ARE white. But you conservatives make it look like it’s only black people, and completely ignore hate from white people.

[quote]Wonder Man is a made up character. Why not be black?

That's the point. Why must all " changed" characters be black? There are other minorities you know. And the change from the cliched automatically changing a white character to black would be refreshing.

I want to see the episode of Wonder Man where he puts that big Black Wonder cock up into Aquaman’s tight pink blowhole!

R125

But they aren’t. Namor, Sersi, Amadeus Cho (if you’re complaining about Riri) for example.

r128 Wrong company. Wonder man is Marvel, Aquaman is DC. He can put it up Namor's ass but Namor is hispanic now.

R122, your link doesn't show your BS stats.

[quote] That's the point. Why must all " changed" characters be black?

Have you ever heard of a Wonder Man? No. So what has been "changed" about his race?

[quote] That's the point. Why must all " changed" characters be black? T

You don't care about his height, weight, number of teeth., etc. Only his race.

[quote] Have you ever heard of a Wonder Man? No. So what has been "changed" about his race?

Just because he hasn’t heard of Wonder Man doesn’t mean a change didn’t happen. Are you stupid? If an ostrich sticks his head in the sand, doesn’t mean things around him aren’t still happening.

[quote] The problem many fans had was with someone like Beyonce being up for Wonder Woman who has a Greek background to her history. Beyonce doesn't come off as Greek in any believable way. The fact that they would even attempt to disrespect Greeks & other groups but not blacks is a double standard in H-wood but no one can bring this up without being labeled a racist. That word is overused to shut down double standards & will backfire someday culturally & politically.

Some stupid people would reply with “Wonder Woman is a made up character. Why not be black? It’s fiction so she can be purple or a squirrel.”

[quote]But they aren’t. Namor, Sersi, Amadeus Cho (if you’re complaining about Riri) for example.

I am a huge critic of race-swapping (mostly blackwashing), but the new take on Namor looks very cool. But that's because the Namor in Black Panther 2 has a specific design, flavor, and context in mind with the [italic]Mayan[/italic] aesthetic. It also helps to contrast the Atlanteans of Marvel (Namor) with the Atlanteans of DC (Aquaman).

When you plop in a black Human Torch, or a black Wonder Man, or what-have-you, the intent is obvious: reduce white characters' presence. Nick Fury was carried entirely by Sam Jackson's presence, and is nearly 20 years old. In those 20 years, most audience members have become exhausted by this, and it's only become ferociously obvious now that the original Avengers arc is concluded, with Black Queen Valkyrie, Black Female Iron Man, Female Hawkeye, Black Captain America... and all at once, mind you. The only character from the main Avengers cast that has NOT been gender or race swapped yet is... Black Window (Florence Pugh/Yelena), who was already the only woman.

And as far as the Eternals, that was a complete attempt at a United Colors of Benneton cast, which... whatever. It was not well-received and was pretty much blunt with its intent.

To R134, I love Black Window, I've opened and closed her black window for years!!1

How's dat Bitch doin?

r131 most characters race swapped are gingers. hollywood is playing racist scrabble.

The world needs a break from comic heroes. Say about a decade.

r137 and what would you replace it with?

[quote] Just because he hasn’t heard of Wonder Man doesn’t mean a change didn’t happen. Are you stupid? If an ostrich sticks his head in the sand, doesn’t mean things around him aren’t still happening.

Yes but why would the poster take issue with it if they don't know the character? Folks who don't know about comic book characters don't have their "head in the sand" they probably just have other interests. The outrage about the race change of a largely unknown character is racism -- i.e. all superheroes should remain white since they were created that way 50 years ago.

[Quote] Just because he hasn’t heard of Wonder Man doesn’t mean a change didn’t happen. Are you stupid?

This is a character literally no one has ever heard of. Why do you care what his race is.

His height and weight may have changed too/-but you ignore those

When the Lone Ranger was portrayed as white on TV, where was the anger?

[Quote] Just because he hasn’t heard of Wonder Man doesn’t mean a change didn’t happen. Are you stupid?

And yet only her race matters to you

[Quote] The problem many fans had was with someone like Beyonce being up for Wonder Woman who has a Greek background to her history. Beyonce doesn't come off as Greek in any believable way.

Where’s Gal Godot’s and Lynda Carter’s Greek background?

[Quote] The problem many fans had was with someone like Beyonce being up for Wonder Woman who has a Greek background to her history. Beyonce doesn't come off as Greek in any believable way.

It was not well received because the movie sucked. It had nothing to do with the actors

Fuck you R44 good thing you're not the one making all the decisions, go sit on a spiked fence. Oh FYI one day coming real soon, the white population will shrink due to an abysmal amount of births compared to their extremely high deaths(opioid abuse) and then you truly won't have anything to worry about anything let alone "equity"

Hmmm. Wonder Man was supposed to be Tom Ellis, but was replaced by Yahya Abdul-Mateen II. Wonder why, man.

I hope they put him in this look.

Why are Hispanics virtually non existent in the Marvel universe???? Wtf

[Quote] Hmmm. Wonder Man was supposed to be Tom Ellis, but was replaced by Yahya Abdul-Mateen II. Wonder why, man.

Movie producers go with whatever will make them money. They’re not going to cast a black guy just to be politically correct

Thank you R149. It's called show BUSINESS, not show diversity. Hollywood does not make a move that is going to cost them money. In American markets, right now, diversity sells. Then they can just recut and airbrush the posters for foreign markets to downplay the diversity.

If you care about the color of obscure comic characters from the 70s and 80s, you are not the demographic they're trying to reach. In America, companies care about reaching white people 13-35. They aren't blackwashing characters for black people. Diversity, equity and inclusion is not about black people and if you've convinced yourself that any of this is about black people or that black people are pushing this, then you're dead wrong. It's not about bowing down to a minority population, it's about money and who spends money in this country and desirable demographics - and that remains young white people.

[quote]Hollywood does not make a move that is going to cost them money. In American markets, right now, diversity sells.

No, it doesn’t. Diversity loses money. People hate it but it doesn’t mean it’s not important to keep trying.

Sure Jan.

That’s why WB went along with their stunning and brave Batgirl. And why Amazon has taken a huge loss on Rings of Power (where’s the MERCH?!). These moves are to take a loss and appease the Twitterati - nothing more.

That’s why it’s dumped on Disney+ and you don’t actually see a Black Wonder Man feature film.

Tom Ellis would have been HAWT and I would have considered watching.

[Quote] Some stupid people would reply with “Wonder Woman is a made up character. Why not be black? It’s fiction so she can be purple or a squirrel.”

Well there is a black Wonder Woman if they wanted to go in that direction. All of this Beyonce talk reminds me of how she was considered to play Lois Lane in Superman Returns at one stage. I'm glad they didn't go in that direction, but Kate Bosworth wasn't really any better.

[Quote] Tom Ellis would have been HAWT and I would have considered watching.

Isn't he still playing Lucifer?

[quote]Well there is a black Wonder Woman if they wanted to go in that direction.

No, there is Nubia. It’s a separate person. If they want to make a Nubia movie, that’s great. But if they want to all of a sudden turn Diana Prince black then people would revolt.

[quote]Movie producers go with whatever will make them money. They’re not going to cast a black guy just to be politically correct

Bwhahaha😂🤣😆. That is exactly what they’re doing, to be politically correct. It’s not to make money as it’s losing them millions. House of Dragons and Rings of Power would be much more popular without the forced diversity. It’s not to say people don’t want to watch black people. Black Panther 2 is going to have the biggest opening ever. There’s a time and place for everything.

I didn't even know Wonder Man existed.

But I have to laugh at the people who are up-in-arms over this.

Get a life.

See I don’t understand why people who didn’t know the character existed or like comic heroes are so insistent on forcing diversity on people who care about the topic and it’s integrity to source material. Get a life.

[Quote] House of Dragons and Rings of Power would be much more popular without the forced diversity.

Anyone who remembers Wonder Man is over 45. You can take that to the bank.

People hated Eternals because of the forced diversity.

Fun fact from Wiki: Nathan Fillion was set to appear as Simon Williams [Wonder Man] on movie posters set within the Marvel Cinematic Universe film Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. Additionally, he released a picture from the film's set that depicted Williams as an actor portraying Arkon.[110] Though his scenes were cut from the final film, the film's director James Gunn acknowledged the character could return in future installments of the MCU franchise.

I thought Wonder Man was Danny Kaye.

[quote] Hmmm. Wonder Man was supposed to be Tom Ellis, but was replaced by Yahya Abdul-Mateen II. Wonder why, man.

Because Yahya is an Emmy winner and Marvel can pay him half of what Tom Ellis was demanding.

[quote] People hated Eternals because of the forced diversity.

Racists and incels hated Eternals because of the forced diversity. The rest of us hated it because it sucked.

So there will be two Wonder Mans in the MCU. James Gunn’s white version and this version.

Is it pandering/being politically correct to have a character canonically and intended to be white pre-Floyd/BLM to be casted black now?

[quote] See I don’t understand why people who didn’t know the character existed or like comic heroes are so insistent on forcing diversity on people who care about the topic and it’s integrity to source material. Get a life.

Because we really don't like the "people who care about the topic and it's integrity to the source material." That's why you got your ass kicked everyday in junior high.

R161 no, they hated it because the storyline was shit.

[quote]Because we really don't like the "people who care about the topic and it's integrity to the source material." That's why you got your ass kicked everyday in junior high.

Then why are you in this thread or even care if Wonder Man is left white?

[quote]This is a character literally no one has ever heard of. Why do you care what his race is.

This is the stupidest argument ever. It doesn’t matter if someone has heard of the character. Wrong is wrong. A lot of people haven’t heard of Johnny Storm. Doesn’t mean he should be changed to black. Some people might not have heard of Batman. Doesn’t mean they should change Bruce Wayne to black in the next movie. I have never heard of the characters in Gone With the Wind. Would it be right to do a remake and change all the characters to black?

R104 WOW, that plane flew over your head a couple of times, didn't it? Unsurprising. Stick to your Proud Boys talking points from the early 00s .

r160 Nope. they used him in the latest Marvel Avengers cartoon show. He was part of Zemo's Masters of Evil - Granted he was a purple energy guy but they showed his origin.

R173 I get your point BUT that show was so terrible I can't imagine that somehow made the character memorable.

The animated version before the first movie was released is way better. They had just added Ms. Marvel and Vision (I believe) before they canceled it and tried to capitalize on the movie with the following incarnation.

[quote] People hated Eternals because of the forced diversity.

That "forced diversity" included a prominent gay storyline that prompted a backlash. Is it wrong to make heterosexual superheroes homosexual? I knew of no gay superheroes until Northstar of Alpha Flight. Should he remain the only gay superhero in the Marvel Universe? Can a formerly straight superhero now be gay in 2022? Some people will have a problem with changing the race, more will have trouble with seeing gay superheroes. The haters are cut from the same cloth.

just cuz you don't know about them R175..... doesn't mean they don't exist.

Iceman (X-men)

Original Green Lantern Alan Scott (who is now being replaced in the TV show for an (actual) Black Green Lantern, at least this time they're not changing a character's race; both Green Lanterns exist in the universe)

Batwoman

Apollo and Midnighter (who had a hot sex scene on panel)

Rictor & Shatterstar (X-men)

Oh Iceman being retconned as gay. Poor Zelda, his first love.