Why did Meghan and Kate never get along?

Meghan couldn't stand that she was with the spare instead of the heir

Well my theory is Meghan admired Kate from a distance long before she ever met Harry (see her blog post on Will and Kate’s wedding back in the day) and was disappointed Late wasnt warm and fuzzy to her when they met, so Meghan shared gossip with Lainey about Kate (the “she didnt offer me a ride!” blind item), and Kate found out and sort of froze Meghan out more. Then Kate wanted the bridesmaids to wear tights at the wedding and they had a mini power struggle thing going on, and then Meghan talked over Kate at that conference they all appeared at and acted like a know-it-all which annoyed Kate more. I think it was a bunch of little things that added up. Meghan has only child syndrome. But I think they’re probably both snobby little bitches, Kate just hides it better

When William and Kate invited Harry and Meghan over for the first time, Meghan wandered off and was found taking pictures of Charlotte’s bedroom with her phone.

William and Kate saw her for the parasitic bitch she was.

Sometimes people just don't click.

Because Kate's mom was a sky waitress... "Doors to manual" 😂

Kate made mummy cry 😢

Kate put anthrax in the duct work at Frogmore cottage

When Kate met Meghan's mother Kate screamed at her for not scrubbing the toilets well enough 😳

Every time the press wanted to take a picture of Archie, Kate would pinch his bottom so he would scream his bloody head off 😠

I’m a woman so I say this from deep experience: Meghan hates/resents other women—especially those who she tries to woo but reject her because they see right through her.

And that’s what’s at the root of their feud. I suspect Kate was polite and correct with Meghan but never gave her anything more than that. Not falling for Meghan’s “charms”—like that nitwit Mulroney, who Meghan flattered while she needed her—would drive Meghan nuts. Hence, Meghan’s attack on Kate in the Oprah interview.

Kate making that artful power play at the surprise walkabout after the Queens death—where she refused to acknowledge Meghan—demonstrated exactly who won the war. All Kate had to do was pretend to interact with Meghan at a very superficial level and the press would have been braying about a reconciliation.

Instead, Kate did what any woman operating from a position of extreme strength would do: she acted as if Meghan doesn’t exist.

Megan is jealous. The end.

Kate would staple dangling price tags to all of Meghan's clothes to make her look foolish

Kate resented the work she had to put in as compared to Meghan, and Meghan’s ambitious nature was an affront to “the way things are done”.

Kate overheard Meghan and the Queen laughing about Kate's anorexia... Kate was so upset she threw up 😂

She be black.

Meghan got the entire staff at Buckingham Palace to start calling Kate "swizzle stick"

You have to ask, OP? A better question: who does Meghan get along with for more than 5 minutes? R10 explained it all for you, OP.

Meghan had a real job before marrying in, Kate had a rich pushy mother

Details about the wedding, bridesmaid dresses are simply silly little details that mean nothing. The real reason Markle couldn't get along is because she didn't want to. Period. The following are her psycho reasons why:

Regarding the monarchy, Markle wanted to be equal with Kate. Like it or not, that's not how the monarchy and precedence work.

Markle is jealous of Kate. She won't admit it, but Markle wants to be the star of the show even ahead of the queen. Again, that's not how monarchy works.

Markle wanted to controversial narrative to emerge and be sustained and perpetuated. Markle never had any intention of staying in the UK especially when she discovered she wasn't the star of the show, which she knew all along but thought she could change. Markle had to keep up the negative narrative to try and show that no one liked her and didn't help her. Markle is a nasty piece o work. She doesn't have the balls to say "this life isn't for me." Markle wanted the title and perks, but she also wanted the negative, obstinate, racist narrative to continue so she could say that she had no alternative to except to leave. Liars are cowards. Markle is a liar.

Once they got married Meghan put a stop to Kate fucking Harry

Kate is the one who ran over Meghan's beagle 😢

[quote] … with them both hustling to get married to a prince …

You have the answer to your question right there OP.

Kate wanted Harry for her little sister... or brother 🙄

Because a hot dog makes Meghan lose control.

^ Funny, it makes Kate throw up 🤮

Kate seems like a cunt

I think they tried to get along. After all, Diana and Fergie got along, but they were already friends before Fergie married Andrew. Still, if Diana were an idol, then Diana set an example to get along with your sister-in-law.

Kate's a genuinely nice person, albeit one with solid common sense and the wherewithal and power to ignore users and psychos. Meghan is a psychotic user who couldn't couldn't mean-girl manipulate Kate to get under her thumb.

Kate is probably the first genuine nice girl that mean girl Meghan could not successfully bully into her control. Meghan has never seen or delat with that before and as a result, reacted like the psychotic freak she is.

Kate put whoopee cushions on every chair that Meghan sat in. The original mean girl

Kate liked to wear black face and scare the dickens out of poor little Archie 😢

3 years ago Kate dressed as Aunt Jemima for the Sussex Halloween party. Princess Micheal even lent her a Blackamoor brooch

r29, r30 and r31 are all the same Megstan who I previously blocked for posting multiple racist statements on another thread.

[quote] Megan is jealous.

She really is. It’s sad.

Several factors, starting with the impression that Meg just doesn't have much use for other women. I suspect she's one of those women who will briefly BFF other women and then forget their existence when a man comes along, and she was insulted when Kate didn't play the LA BFF game immediately.

But mostly, there's the fact that under the Royalty system, Kate didn't just outrank her, she always would outrank her! For someone who's competitive with other attractive women of her age, that could not very endured.

Axis II, Cluster ‘B’ is what happened. No end in sight btw.

I believe that Meghan is jealous, but not because of Kate's figure or the fact that she will be the queen, but because Kate got the guy who is real man, while Meghan got the brother who is a pussy.

William may be bald and have horse teeth, but let be honest, who wouldn't do him if he asked, he is an attractive masculine guy. While Harry os a whiny boy pussy.

r32, is the biggest fucking asshole on DL. I'm saying it again for the 100th time

Kate put booze in Archie's bottle so that Meghan's kid would act as loony as Louis the thug

R37 He/she/it is a complete idiot.

^ You are an unfuckable old lady who stalks Gay men to get your kicks. STOP STALKING ME!

Security! I told you this one was going to be trouble

^ Kate put her up to it

Really, R5? The “doors to manual” joke made you laugh so much that you cried?

The joke is twenty years old and wasn’t particularly funny even then except to British toffs..

Kate’s “mom” - as you call her - is a self made woman and along with her family is rich, respected, attractive and at the very heart of the British social fabric.

And what are you, R5? Some sad, drunk and fat American, commenting on people who wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. They’d step over you and continue on their way.

Maybe you should get a job - how about as a Flight Attendant? I’m sure that Spirit Airlines would welcome you. You’ll fit right in with the passengers.

"Kate didn't just outrank her, she always would outrank her! For someone who's competitive with other attractive women of her age, that could not very endured."

I said before the wedding that an ambitious American would have trouble with primogeniture and precedence. An ambitious actress is going to have trouble with a system where she could never rise in rank and precedence, only fall.

First of all, relationships between women are always complicated to begin with. Relationships between women fall into 3 spaces.

1) they become immediate BFFs; 2) they become frenemies (smile in the face/trash talk behind each others backs); 3) instant enemies. Second William did not like her or thought that Harry was moving too fast. Either way, that added a whole other layer on to things. It also probably didn't help things that Meghan had her own ideas about things in a world where independent thought is frowned upon.

I will assume that both of them tried, but Kate was never going to be one of Meghan's American type gal pals. No shade, but Kate is basically a Stepford wife at this point, she's made her choice and she's going to ride this thing until the wheels fall off. And good for her, if that's what she wants.

How often do you see pics of Kate hanging out with Zara? The York chicks? Her own sister? You don't. These folks present as a close family for the public eye, but they largely lead separate lives otherwise. They see one another when duty calls. Anytime the late Queen's children and grandchildren wanted to see her privately, then they had to schedule an appointment. Meghan got into trouble by attempting to shirk the protocol and rules of the game based on no other criteria than a self-aggrandizing entitlement - "but, you don't understand...I'm MEGHAN! the new star of the RF!" And they were all like "bitch, please!" including busy, three child Mum, Kate.

The Tindalls and the Cambridges seem very comfortable and familiar with each other's children. I think they spend time together.

R45 I suggest that you Google “Tindalls and Cambridges” and get back to us rather than just making stuff up, posting it, and hoping that you won’t be called out on it.

Don’t make stuff up - you only look stupid.

R47 - I'll do any goddamn thing I want when I wanna do it. Now, how ya like that? Haha

I semi-agree with R45 that a lot of the "such a super close family!" stuff from the BRF is mostly for PR reasons and not reflective of reality. It has been fairly well documented that the Queen's children generally did have to make appointments to see her, and I think she and Philip were simply of a different age, where for people of their class it just wasn't expected to be extremely emotionally close to you children. This may be more unpopular but I've also never bought that Charles was close to either of his sons. I think he was a distant parent, as he himself was distantly parented.

But Kate isn't a born royal and she is from a genuinely very close and functional middle-class family, which I think is one thing that attracted William to her, and that he's taken on a lot of her middle-class traits with his own kids. I believe they are close to the Tindalls, the photos we've had over the years show as much. They also seem increasingly close to the Wessexes which is probably, again, a reflection of Edward doing the same thing William did and marrying a smart, socially skilled middle-class woman.

R2 = winner of this thread. It takes two to tango. While I don’t think Meghan is very nice and she’s phony, I don’t buy Kate as some demure shrinking violet either. Meghan probably had some jealousy about position, but I think Kate had jealousy about Meghan coming off to the public as more relatable. Plus she speaks with assertiveness and authority, Kate does not. Kate was also the only woman on the scene until then and wasn’t used to competition. I also think Meghan ignored Kate's advice, which pissed her off. Meghan could’ve easily overtaken Kate in popularity with the general public had she played her cards right.

[quote]The Tindalls and the Cambridges

Aren't the "Cambridges" now the Waleses, or did I miss something?

The way these people change their names it's like they are running from the world.

Is the same person starting this endless parade of Markle threads?

[quote][R2] = winner of this thread. It takes two to tango

Not for a “narcissistic sociopath “, R50. As Meg’s staff defined her (as a NS), it’s imperative to know that individuals with this personality disorder can literally “tango “ with inert objects.

Doesn’t take much from anyone or ANYTHING to set them off.

That’s a good point. Public speaking doesn’t come natural to Kate and Meghan had years of training plus the egotism to get herself right out in front to be seen. But Megs’ speechifying was platitudes and buzzwords and voiced so confidently that she’d been the first person to have these Big Ideas. Meghan was flavor of the month and Kate was still Duchess Doolittle. She was probably aghast that reporters and readers were lapping up this piffle. Eventually Megs overplayed her hand as we know, but yes I can believe that there was some jealousy on Kate’s part.

Kate has class. Meghan does to but it's all low.

Kate may have wondered what all the Markle commotion was about. But I don't think Kate was jealous of Markle. I think Kate saw Markle as the piece of shit she is and just tolerated her until she couldn't any longer.

Kate may not be a barrel of laughs, but she's a very decent person and is far and beyond ahead of the Douchess of Overseas. A previous post said Kate was a Stepford wife. No, she isn't. She understand the system and she married into it to help and strengthen it. She's even become more confident in the charities she supports. This is the exact opposite of Markle who doesn't know and doesn't care about her husband's family, thinks only of herself and set out to ruthlessly gain her identity through her husband's title...and couldn't care less about serving any charity. And did nothing but lie about everything.

That is not Kate, who may not be perfect but is a decent, caring person.

Chicks from their age-era (Xennials) were/are not exactly the "girl power" committee that is so popular and ever-present these days.

Think more along the lines of Brandy and Monica, "The Boy is Mine," to get a better feel for them.

Kate wasn’t the only woman on the scene, R50, unless you discount the Princess Royal, the then Duchess of Cornwall, the Countess of Wessex, Zara Tindall, Autumn Phillips, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Duchess of Gloucester, Duchess of Kent, Princess Michael of Kent etc

It’s the House of Windsor, not a monastery.

Amazing comeback, R48 - English grammar’s not your strong suit, is it?

Yes, R5@, but the Waleses were known as the Cambridges for ten years until quite recently. Google doesn’t retrospectively update its search data.

^^ R50 - not sure what happened there.

Who is someone that Meghan does get along with?

Kate leads a stable and calm life. Both Kate and William saw through Meghan right away. Meghan doesn’t really like to be seen in depth and with accuracy.

Meghan is envious of other women. She got the spare and Kate got the heir.

Because they both want to be Queen of People’s Hearts.

Because Kate wouldn't go along with "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets".

My respect and admiration for Kate grew 1000 x on the Harkle's wedding day when she kept a straight face all through that minstrel show of a preacher's "sermon". I honestly don't know how she was able to keep it together....with Camilla snickering by her side.

R47 - how stupid are YOU looking? You wrote the following on another thread:

Meghan: "I was made to feel ambition was a terrible thing when dating Harry" “You call this banana bread? Go make another batch!” as she hurled it into the fireplace!

-R45, R47

Wrong, R67.

[quote]Who is someone that Meghan does get along with?

Whoever can further her goal of the day.

R58, The only woman who matters. Nobody cares about the ladies you mentioned.

>>> I think Kate saw Markle as the piece of shit she is and just tolerated her until she couldn't any longer.

The End.

Kate outranks Meghan not only in position, but in looks...great figure, very pretty, class in behavior and handles herself well with the public and in her duties. She is far more well liked and respected. Meghan is very jealous...like others have already said. It might even be an obsession. I like the comment that Meghan's mean girl tactics don't seem to work on Kate...can't rattle her, at least publically.

I liked the brief death stare Kate flashed at Meghan after the walk about - right before they all got into the RRs and drove off. Meghan reacted like a spoiled brat child whi was told beforehand that there would be hell to pay if she misbehaved. Kate's got the spirit of the Queen Mum in tow...

R73, Meg does a very bad job of acting “intimidated” there.

R66 Apparently, Kate has enough self awareness and respect of other traditions not to snicker at them. The others, including William, demonstrated disrespectful and ignorant behavior.

Kate's shy. Meghan's self-confidence probably made her uncomfortable. You can imagine Markle coming on as too much, all at once. She thought she was in a den of fellow celebrities...

Kate was also trying not to laugh... Reverand Saw Dust Trail was going on too long at mach ten. Everybody was WTFing. Even Markle had a glazed he's making an ass of me look on her face. The whole place is in bite your tongue mode.

"She thought she was in a den of fellow celebrities..."

That may have been another thing that got up the noses of the BRF, if she tried to treat them like LA celebrities and not royalties. LA celebrities seem to treat each other like the cool kids in high school, they regard each other as the ultimate in cool and achievement... but the royals don't value that kind of cool. They're so secure in their position they don't have to be cool, they look down on all the cool people as strivers!

And Meg is such a striver, it's the core of her personality. She never could have fit in if she'd tried.

How royalty regards celebrity

Meghan gave Lainey a blind about Kate when she was still dating Harry. They were never going to be friends and it just shows Meghan and Harry had no intentions of remaining in that family. Harry wanted the royal wedding he felt entitled too and then they gave it a half-assed year before bailing. They really thought they'd be huge A-list billionaires by now. I do think the palace figured out their plans and leaked shit to the tabloids to cast a shadow on their departure.

Kate and Camilla were no doubt sharing a laugh at that ridiculous preacher, under the shelter of the brims of their large wedding hats.

He was ridiculous, he knew how long he was supposed to speak for but went on and on for about 10 minutes longer. Obviously noone was going to drag him away from the podium so he grabbed his chance.

Probably something to do with Camilla. It really wouldn't surprise me.

I find both Kate and Meghan intensely annoying, for very different reasons.

Meghan is obviously the “worse” person, but I wouldn’t want to be around either of them.

^Kate strikes me as someone who wouldn’t want her children marrying commoners, despite her technically being one herself. She really is a throwback to pre-Diana days of sort of haughty, remote, dull, empty window dressing. The best thing that happened to her was Meghan because it made her more likable in comparison. Otherwise, she would be ripped to shreds a lot more.

Kate stuns, according to the press.

It makes me vaguely depressed that Kate is praised so highly for basically waiting for a guy to marry her and not talking (or eating.) Despite being quite attractive, she’s very nonthreatening because she’s so unaccomplished in her own right.

It’s fine to think “oh, she’s a pleasant enough person.” But the praise she gets for doing basically nothing is somewhat insulting to the women who are out there doing it all.

^i disagree. It’s not “nothing” to have three young children, even with nannies. There are endless things that come up with children: are they doing well in school? Do they have good manners? Are they making friends? How to limit screen time? Are they learning enough skills for life? Are they healthy? Eating well? Am I pressuring too much or not enough? It’s a huge job and it’s a bad idea to leave it up to nannies.

Also, she’s always attending events and giving speeches dressed to the nines, with perfect hair and makeup. Yes she has money and help, but it’s not “doing basically nothing”. She has to show up and be photographed no matter how she feels that day. If she was laying around whenever she felt like it, you’d be seeing a lot of articles about events being cancelled due to Kate being “ill”.

Do you even know how much you're projecting onto a total stranger, R88? You really believe you know the POW's inner thoughts about her children and child rearing?

R88, R89, is no worse than R87. R87's characterization of waiting makes a lot of assumptions. Be fair, if nothing else.

I thought the whole point of feminism was that women would have the freedom to choose their lives? I didn't understand that all women must be out there doing it all. Thanks, R87.

R91, the impression I get is whatever a woman does it’s wrong.

" she’s very nonthreatening because she’s so unaccomplished in her own right."

Women want different things from life, and if what she wanted out of life was to marry well, then I'd say she's at the top of her field! She got her prince, she gave him children capable of appearing perfect in public, she won over his family, she spent her clothing budget well, the marriage seems to have succeeded in the ways it needed to succeed. So I give Kate a great deal of credit, for succeeding in her chosen path.

Most modern women would rather die than follow her path, I mean look how many women turned down William, Harry, and Charles. So don't pretend Kate's job is something any girl could do.

Why is everyone ignoring Kate’s charity work? She didn’t just have kids she does a lot of non profit work too.

I was watching coverage of the Queens’s death and they said something about how for a long time William sort of kept her understated (can’t remember the exact term). I guess they didn’t want a repeat of Diana upstaging the future king. I was thinking maybe that’s why she dresses like she does. He seems controlling. I think their marriage was/is based more of practicality than passion. I do believe she got what she wanted, minus having to do all the non glamorous appearances. I’m sorry, but she looks like she hates it. I probably would too in all honesty. Her whole image though is just very unremarkable. I suppose that’s what the Royal family wanted, but it diminished their star quality.

"I think their marriage was/is based more of practicality than passion."

Not all marriages are based on passion, not even all happy and successful marriages. As long as both parties get what they want and need out of the marriage, well. A person can always have some discreet passion elsewhere.

There's only ONE STAR in a Meghan Markle show, and that's ME, baby... Meghan Markle, remember?

I’m not sure it’s William and Catherine’s job to sell us on their sex life. They’re not movie stars.

[quote]He seems controlling.

That's ridiculous. What a bullshitter you are. Find me a Youtube that shows him controlling and I'll find you twenty that show him affectionately touching her and the two of them laughing together and in competition with one another. You're ridiculous.

Even the marriages based on passion don't usually burn as hot the whole time.

And R95, you haven't noticed, but the monarchy doesn't want star quality and isn't about it. I know it's just People to you, or wherever you get the pictures you look at, but they see it entirely differently.

I’m sorry, it’s just not healthy for a woman to want to be nothing more than a mother. I’ll be the asshole and say it.

I’m not saying Kate only wants to be a mother. But those women who do have that as their only ambition are intellectually stunted, have no idea how to navigate the world, and often suffer from arrested development.

It’s also irresponsible. What happens if spouse disappears into the night? How will they provide for kids and help them navigate the world when they have no life skills?

[quote]I didn't understand that all women must be out there doing it all. Thanks, [R87].

I didn’t say you “must” be out there doing it all.

You are free to be your no doubt shiftless self.

Just don’t expect to be praised for it.

"I’m sorry, it’s just not healthy for a woman to want to be nothing more than a mother."

Speaking as someone who loathes children, go fuck yourself! Wanting to be a parent above all is a common and reasonable life path, although of course very few people can do nothing else. So the world is full of moms and dads who make parenthood their #1 priority, but of course that doesn't mean that most of them don't have to work whether they like it or not. Many of them would stay home and just look after the kiddies, if they could afford to.

And the Princess of Wales isn't someone who just stays home with the kiddies, she is also expected to get out and do the charity and diplomatic work that goes with her title. So unclench, your dislike of housewives is misplaced as the PoW is not actually a housewife, and it's no hair off your ass anyway, if housewives exist.

Welp, this thread was civil until R99 arrived. Not going to engage with over invested loons.

Kate Middleton saw Meghan for exactly who and what she is very early, before most other people did.

I don’t think Kate is a happy person. Anyone who is anorexic is not having a great time no matter what they try to project. Anorexia is what people do to exhibit control over their lives when they feel they don’t have enough control. She seems to be acting “happy” rather than being content.

Princess Anne is one who projects actually being content for real. She isn’t dressed up like a Barbie doll and taken out of a bandbox to make personal appearances, she just lives her life with confidence. Anyone who is literally starving themselves to get approval is not confident about their own self worth.

I think a lot of Kate’s extreme dislike for Meghan has nothing to do with Meghan. Kate has waited for many years to be in this situation, her husband has already lost interest in her except as a Stepford Mommy/Firm employee, and it seems to have made her very haughty and bitter and cold. She looked like a haggard dowager at the Queen’s funeral, dressed and looking much older than she is. Probably because the anorexia has taken the baby fat out of her face and that makes women look older than they are.

I can’t see Diana, with all her faults, spending all her time obsessed with endlessly criticizing somebody else by proxy through the tabloids, she would have just gotten attention for herself with her own activities and ignored others. Not constant leaks about, “Meghan made me cry! Nothing worse has ever happened in the history of the world!” Just high school mean girl stuff from someone who should be above commenting on the doings of others. William is equally vindictive and petty, and that’s probably where she gets it from.

She’s one of those fraus who does whatever her husband wants, even if they don’t have a great marriage. The fucking can’t be that great, since he’s got a roaming eye, so “I am the enemy of my husband’s enemy” is about all she’s got going for her. And he seems to loathe Harry. Another case of petty behavior we should know nothing about, but is broadcast through “leaks” that aren’t actually leaks, but press releases through the tabloids.

There was no circumstance where Kate was going to like Meghan while her husband disliked Harry. That would be seen as disloyal. People forget who’s actually running things here. It’s not Kate. And William seems like a control freak that would not tolerate dissent.

I wonder if William and Kate actually leak to the tabloids.

We know Charles does.

I had assumed other leaks came from courtiers.

This is my favorite video of Kate. She’s at some children’s centre before Christmas, helping volunteers wrap presents and apparently one of the organizers thought she was slacking off and ordered her to “keep wrapping” and Kate was like, holy moly, and rolled her eyes. It’s actually pretty funny and shows she has a sense of humor.

R101 “intellectually stunted” with a 2:1 Honours degree from the University of St Andrews.

Please R104 I don't run around accusing someone of being controlling with no evidence. As to not engaging with me, I'll just say thanks. If you leave the board, I'll give you money.

Many of the last dozen or so posts take me back to the good old days of the Queen dying of cancer of the incontinent broken hearted widow.

[quote][R73], Meg does a very bad job of acting “intimidated” there.

Meg is a very limited actor. Period.

R72 Like many Brit women, Kate is an ugly horse

"Details about the wedding, bridesmaid dresses are simply silly little details that mean nothing."

It's a woman's most precious day. It means a man not only approves of her, but wants to buy her pussy.

It’s interesting how perceptions vary about so many things. The Stepford Wife, for example. I think of a Stepford Wife not as a woman who strides side-by-side with her husband, as the Princess of Wales does, but more as the type of woman who can’t seem to walk four steps without grabbing and clutching at her man.

Since you asked, r109, I have a BS in Biochemistry and Microbiology (double major, with honors, cum laude, and Phi Beta Kappa) and a JD from a top 12 law school.

Kate’s (equivalent of a BA) degree is in Art History, yes?

I totally believe R109.

Yes, I was expecting a litany of alleged degrees, R112.

Apologies R112 - that was meant for the fantasist at R116.

Every time I have to interact with a human being to get a task done, it’s impossible. At the bank, the dentist, the vet, the hair salon, the doctor’s office, you get the drift.

I find myself needing to micromanage people, which as a hardcore introvert I do not enjoy at all. But it’s the only way to get anything done. Most of the time I’m very pleasant and polite, unlike Markle. But it is exhausting and frustrating.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go follow up on not one but TWO bank transactions my bank screwed up this week.

^ a little bit of the pleasant and polite R116.

Only ONE of them hustled to marry a prince and it wasn't Kate. They have NOTHING in common except their husband's relationship. Also, Meghan's an obvious user and all around shit person. Decent people don't take to her.

It’s too depressing for words that r118 thinks a science degree and a law degree are so out of reach as to be fantasy.

Get out of your trailer, sweetie— there’s a whole world out there!

Kate would know Harry's shortcomings and vulnerabilities as well as anyone and would have spotted MM as a predator from Day One. She may have been sensitive to the possibility that her own behaviour - changing schools to have access to William, waiting around for 10 years - might compel people to put her in the same category. She had no intention of forming a Golddiggers Club with a pushy American arriviste.

[quote] I don’t think Kate is a happy person. Anyone who is anorexic is not having a great time no matter what they try to project.

As R106 demonstrates, the “Kate has anorexia” trolls are hilarious. And ignorant. One look at her muscular legs throws off that trope instantly.

Not a Kate supporter, but am startled to see this trope repeated [italic] ad naseaum[/italic]

Suppose Fat Markle and her Stans feel the need to distort, lie and slander anyone they encounter: family, friends, workers, colleagues, press, Brit populace, anyone who disagrees on DL.

I give the Kate Trolls credit though... their shade the last day or so is quite subtle compared to the usual Klan Granny nonsense.

[quote] I don’t think Kate is a happy person.

I don’t think there is any way to know if she’s happy or not. She is air; there is no there, there. She is a robotic stepford wife with a plastered on smile at all times. Her kid was being obnoxious to her and she sat there smiling. Not much is really known about her overall, thus she’s not relatable on any level. I think she is popular in England with mostly older royalists because she’s a throwback. On a global level, she never caught on as a fashion icon or an icon in any way. Most don’t care about the Royal family in the US anymore beyond a passing glance. So if the UK is happy with her, then good for them.

[quote] She is a robotic stepford wife with a plastered on smile at all times.

What is she supposed to do, show up scowling and spit on an old person?

[quote]Her kid was being obnoxious to her and she sat there smiling.

Her three year old was having a moment and she rode it out without making a big deal of it. It passed. And shortly thereafter he was bundled off because he'd reached his limit, as three year olds do.

[quote] I think she is popular in England with mostly older royalists because she’s a throwback.

Or because she fulfils her role rather than running her mouth, which is to show up, be engaged, be polite, and put the spotlight on the good work, not on herself.

[quote]On a global level, she never caught on as a fashion icon or an icon in any way. Most don’t care about the Royal family in the US anymore beyond a passing glance.

Icons, as a rule, don't happen overnight. But I can't argue about the style, unless you consider:

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Will you tell Vogue and Tatler and Vanity Fair, R127, or should I?

[quote]Most don’t care about the Royal family in the US anymore beyond a passing glance.

Out of politeness and given how fraught things are in the U.S. these days, I decided to leave this whopper alone.

"Only ONE of them hustled to marry a prince and it wasn't Kate. "

I'm sure Kate hustled to marry her prince, she just didn't let the hustling show.

"I don’t think Kate is a happy person. Anyone who is anorexic is not having a great time no matter what they try to project."

I have no idea whether she's a happy person, and I'm not absolutely convinced that she has an eating disorder. Obviously she's extremely disciplined about her body, but here's a bikini shot and there's no fat on her but no bones either, she's all lean muscle. This is the body of an athlete, not an obvious anorectic, although obviously athletes can have eating disorders, I just don't know. William is also extremely fit, and it seems the two of them are very serious about fitness, while the other royals are serious about pre-dinner drinks.

And here's Prince William in HIS bikini, also looking lean and muscular. Sure, it's not the spray-tanned deliberately-posed body of a gym bunny, it's the body of a man who keeps himself very fit without obsessing over how he looks all the time.

For a forty-year-old straight man, he looks amazing!

She wore blackface in R133?

[quote]What is she supposed to do, show up scowling and spit on an old person?

That's my gal!

William and Kate have a special axe to grind with the Sussexes, especially MM. They have been preparing for their future for the last 20 years. The demographics in the UK have changed, KClll and Camilla are nowhere near as beloved as the late queen, and the future royal roles of the Cambridge/Waleses are far from assured. The Sussexes, in their greed and spitefulness, have done nothing but undermine them.

The Mail on Sunday can reveal that the Prince and Princess of Wales topped the survey which asked 1,095 British adults to rate their opinion of senior members of the Royal Family.

Sixty-nine per cent said they found Prince William ‘favourable’, with his wife Kate second on 67 per cent. In third place was Anne, Princess Royal, with 64 per cent.

King Charles came fourth with a 54 per cent favourability rating. But this was an increase of 11 percentage points compared to the last time pollsters Ipsos conducted the survey in March.

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R128, don’t be obtuse. I’m not talking about her hour long visits to opening a food pantry. It’s about showing genuine feeling in an uncensored way. Diana, as messed up as she was, was able convey warmth, but was fallible as well.

Her son is 4, not 3. Let’s see what he’s like in about 5-10 years.

Does she bring attention to the causes she supports? The spotlight is usually on her and what she’s wearing. I’d love to ask the average Brit if they know of the causes she supports.

If she hasn’t become a icon is 20 years, chances are that ship has sailed. She has occasionally shined, but for the most part she’s always looked and dressed matronly.

You are her audience, R128, so of course you’re going to talk her up. I’m talking about the wider public view. You can post 100 pictures, but it won’t change the fact she has no IT factor and limited appeal outside of the UK. She was talked about pre marriage, but don’t know anyone in life whose mentioned her in years. The Diana days of the huge mass appeal of the BRF is truly over.

PS. Interesting that no global viewership numbers were ever announced for the Queen’s funeral after the claim that 4.1 billion would tune in.

And you're going to talk her down. I'm not obtuse. I tore you apart effectively. You claimed she's not a fashion icon. Where's a fashion icon if not on best dressed lists, year after year? You parse her child is four, not three. Your agenda is obvious and your arguments nothing but your feelings and suppositions. Get back to me when you're quoted in The Times and not DL.

Most women gain weight during pregnancy but Kate suffered terribly extreme morning sickness so as debilitating as that was, she probably lost weight each time. That meant she only had to maintain her weight, not lose it. She already had an advantage over most mothers in terms of her figure, but it sounds like the pregnancies were nasty experiences.

As to her projects, she and William attracted a significant amount of donations to their Royal Foundation, much more than the 50K Archewell received from the public. She has an Early Years cause which is concerned with promoting and enabling the health and well-being of young children, starting from infancy. And along with William and Harry, promoted Heads Together, a mental health initiative.

I don't see why people hate her. She is often seen working for the Crown, promoting good causes. She mostly wears British designers and her yearly wardrobe and accessory budget is nowhere near what MM spent. She has a hot husband who seems stable and relatively smart, her children seem healthy and happy.

Diana being a superstar and in the tabloids practically every day wasn't a good thing for the monarchy. It was a distraction. And nobody can say that Diana was content or happy.

MM and Harry attract a lot of attention but they are not superstars like Diana. They're idiots who fumbled secure, privileged positions because their egos required more money, attention and a 20M house in California. They've started a war with the British press and alienated significant parts of the population in the UK and other countries. Will they be able to afford such a house in 20 years time?

I don't see what there is to hate about Kate? She doesn't outshine William (a la Diana) and she does what's expected. What's not to like? The Queen proved boring is best! Too many Margarets, Andrews, Dianas, Harrys... I'm not sure it could survive.

[quote] If she hasn’t become a icon is 20 years, chances are that ship has sailed. She has occasionally shined, but for the most part she’s always looked and dressed matronly.

Haven’t weighed in on this topic before, but think your statements , R144, are rubbish.

I mean, of all the British Royal women currently in the public eye, Kate looks to be the most queenly of the bunch. She'll wear more well and better than any of the others.

Meghan is half black. I realize the slave days are over but

[quote] Meghan is half black. I realize the slave days are over but

So? Who cares.

R151 relax, it's not Melanin. Geesh. It's the zero sum nature of life. Scarce resources etc. As a Canadian, we never had slaves:( we will always trail the USA because we did not use slaves. The bible tells us that God created slaves for us to benefit from.

"I don't see what there is to hate about Kate?"

I don't hate her, in fact, I don't see how it's possible to feel strongly about her, one way or the other! I mean there's some housewife-hating twerp on this thread who keeps hating on her and her parenting and fashion sense, which just seems weird. She's so perfectly correct, polished, and unemotional in public, that the mind sort of slips past her and focuses on her clothes.

Maybe that's her way of keeping a shred of privacy, in an uncomfortably public life.

[quote]As a Canadian, we never had slaves:( we will always trail the USA because we did not use slaves. [bold]The bible tells us that God created slaves for us to benefit from.[/bold]

What does your Canadian interference have to with the topic at hand?

And the bible reference is just plain creepy.

I'll fix that - The bible is just plain creepy.

But it did condone slavery, with instructions about how much you could beat your slave without any penalty.

Meghan is/was jealous because Kate got the most eligible bachelor in the world and Meghan got the booby prize.

Meghan was always jealous that Kate was thinner and prettier than her. If anyone one of the two had "legs for days", it certainly wasn't Meghan.

MM really thought that Kate was this boring, dull non-entity whilst she, Meghan, was the cool dynamic one. But she hated how fat she looked next to Kate.

Meghan has roast beef pussy and wished she had a royal coin slot like Kate.

That's not true in the U.S. r144. We love Kate here, A new poll proves it. Do a little research dear.

R144 got red tagged as a troll so not even worth worrying about.

R144 was red tagged because someone on this thread worships the royal family and refuses to hear anything but they’re perfect in every way.

Kate is boring and has the charisma of a piece of paper. She is well dressed for a woman about ten years older than she is. Considering the amount of money she has at her disposal, and that her entire job is basically to look good and produce children, if she didn’t at least dress professionally, she wouldn’t be doing her job.

There’s a video channel on YouTube done by a woman who advises other women how to dress conservatively to get a rich husband. There’s a shot of Kate wearing a white wife beater and low cut jeans before she married William. Obviously somebody got hold of her and taught her how to dress. Everything you see with her is pretense, somebody is probably literally choosing her clothes for her and laying them out. There’s also a lot of pictures of her wearing modern versions of Diana’s old outfits. Which is pretty interesting, since the BRF hates Diana, but Kate is being dressed to remind people of Diana. There’s a dissonance there.

Literally the only thing this woman has to choose to do is get out of bed in the morning, everything else is chosen for her. You have to have not much personality or intelligence to find that an acceptable life.

Diana had a personality and whatever charity work she did was out of genuine interest, she picked charities that could be somewhat controversial, such as touching AIDS patients in the 1980s, when a lot of people were prejudiced against them and shunning them. She became popular because people sensed she had a real concern for the individuals she visited.

That doesn’t mean she was a perfect person, she was very flawed, but a lot of people who are public figures are very flawed. The BRF has overdone to death the idea that nobody that joins the BRF can have a thought or feeling of their own, they must be mindless drones and as boring as possible. Now they can’t understand why the BRF is less popular than in times past and people are thinking of them as irrelevant. Say what you will, Princess Margaret, Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip had personalities, and that’s why people found them so interesting. If the BRF doesn’t seem to have any genuine personalities or needs of their own, they’re just another bunch of boring rich people, and there’s no particular reason anyone should care what they do.

The BRF was so threatened by Diana’s popularity, they decided the ideal BRF wife should be the most pliant person they could possibly find, with no real ideas or personality of their own. “Pleasant and generic rich woman” isn’t something that’s going to fascinate people. The problem with fascinating people is, a lot of the time they think something besides what you want them to think.

Princess Margaret was a loose cannon too when she was young, people liked her for that. You can control one person, to some extent, but you can’t control that people like to see people fighting against an institution to have their own life. That’s what ordinary people can relate too, not, “look how rich and out of touch I am.”

For someone throwing around accusations of worship... how best to describe ^ that many paragraphs of impartial?

The best thing that came out of the funeral was when Kate barely, but almost got in Meghan's face, starred her down and then turned to the crowd on the other side with a half smile. Meghan, already probably anxious, looked away from Kate, and started playing with her hair. Someone posted it upthread. This was when then the Duchess transformed into the Princess of Wales. I have no doubt that Kate is very polite and probably on the sweeter end of the spectrum, but like others have said, I see some Queen Mother in her. Someone else posted upthread Kate helping wrap presents in NYC on a trip a few years ago and some bossy New Yorker told her "keep wrapping", Kate looked up at her, then looked at what appeared to be her handler and have a semi-eye roll. This was also posted upthread.

Kate was on her way, if not already, to being very heavily pregnant when Meghan really came on the scene as Harry's fiancé officially. The timing of it all was probably not conducive to furthering friendships. I remember Kate was very big w/ Louis when Meghan commandeered that one Fab Four mental health Q&A. I could see Kate not loving being pregnant next to the excitement of Meghan, but I could also see her liking the fact the Meghan was taking some of the attention so she could take her maternity leave in peace.

I do believe that Harry and Kate were very close, despite what he might say now, Pre-Meghan, there were stories of Harry coming over to Wills and Kates house, raiding their fridge, doing the normal things younger family members do. Harry doesn't have a good poker face like Megs and he might not have liked being the 3rd wheel, but he seemed to enjoy his engagements with his brother and Kate.

"[R144] was red tagged because someone on this thread worships the royal family and refuses to hear anything but they’re perfect in every way."

In Internet Trollese, "worship" means "fails to hate as much as I do".

Someone is really really hung up on Kate r162.

What happened to MM being a vegan during the week and not vegan on weekends? That was publicised a lot when she first came onto the royal scene.

And then there's her insistence that one of the wedding dishes which was supposed to be vegan had egg in it. She got told off by HMTQ for addressing staff members rudely.

When MM came along, there was definitely a PR push (probably her PR) to make her seem caring and interesting: the UN speech, the African fashion shoot, the vegan thing, the rescue dogs (even though one got left behind in Canada because he didn't like Harry, and the dog who did make it across mysteriously broke two legs soon after arriving).

But Harry announcing their rship with a letter criticising the press was a rookie move: she can manipulate Harry but the press will always hate them both for it. She probably thinks she can counter the press with PR BS, but I doubt Harry is up for the fight.

He still hasn't settled the case where his phone was hacked by a newspaper eons ago, and blaming the press for the death of Diana is simplistic and stupid. The woman was on the phone to a DM reporter she regularly gave scoops to the day she died.

There was no reason to speed away from the press that night, much less employ a failed decoy vehicle the press quickly realised wasn't them. They should have just driven safely and put up with the photos. That they didn't suggests Diana's actual life may have been a bit boring if her night revolved around trying to avoid the press presence which had been constant throughout her last holiday. Tbh, it makes her look a bit sad and suspiciously borderline.

Well before she left Bob Geldof for Michael Hutchence, Paula Yates worked with a psychiatrist who claimed SHE had BPD and it involved her supposedly manipulating the press to make her seem important, among other things.

Unfortunately Michael Hutchence did get the press offside very early in his rship with PY and (as Harry must) seemed to struggle with the fallout. Yates and Hutchence claimed the press lied about them continually, but in the 22 years after Yates's death, friends, family and workmates have admitted that the pair did heavily use A class and other drugs (whilst raising children) and that Huchence WAS cheating rampantly on Paula and planning to leave her.

Apart from hacking Harry's phone (a very shitty thing to do, admittedly) it's hard to see what the press are supposed to have done wrong in their reporting on H and M: they have treated their staff badly and have a constant turnover of employees, she has a Diana 2.0 complex that has H convinced but nobody else that she is the second Diana, none of the horrible things she has done to her husband or family of origin are rebutted. They both committed perjury with regard to their involvement in Finding Freedom. She is clearly a grifter who only invited one member of her family to her royal wedding, but happily invited lots of famous people.

Kate doesn't have any apparent drama with her family and even her black sheep uncle Gary was invited to her wedding, despite the tabloids having printed articles about his cocaine use.

William's phone was hacked at the same time as Harry's - he settled the case and moved on. Unlike Harry, he doesn't overtly try to muzzle the press for writing unflattering articles about him which attract negative contributions from readers in the comments sections. It is known that H and M read and obsess about such articles and comments concerning them, which can hardly be healthy. M seems to be happy to a certain extent to be getting any attention (WTF heard of her when she was on Suits, plugging Reitmans and writing her blog?) but for Harry to go from being the second favourite royal to this must be hard, especially with his obviously low IQ and emotional deficiencies.

They both seem to suffer under the delusion that they can reverse the nature of the press reports, the anti-Sussex youtube cottage industry and how the public sees them but they can't. The press will never let up on them. There is too much material to work with and the story of them being greedy, tone-deaf assholes will run and run. H and M fans trying to bring down Kate and William are part of a hopeless cause.

For a proven liar like Sobie to continually push positive H and M stories and negative snipes toward the BRF is both outrageous and sad. Like Hutchence and Yates, the Sussexes will never win this battle and it is likely to be one of many unhelpful features of their life together which will consume them.

And that's what the press are going to continue to report on and the majority of the public are waiting to see: a crash or an enormous comeuppance.

I just didn't like her.