Ralph Fiennes next to be CANCELLED

OP, pleas take your bullshit about fictional "cancel culture" to Brietbart where it belongs. No one is getting cancelled, and only one side is burning and banning books. GTFOOH with your propaganda trolling.

This was intelligently stated:

[quote]Righteous anger is righteous, but often it becomes kind of dumb because it can’t work its way through the grey areas. It has no nuance.

Good for Ralph.

He once was hot, sexy, and smoldering, but he hasn't aged well. Now I couldn't care less if he's to be cancelled or canonized .

R1, thank you, Mr. Goebbels, for reminding us we must not trust our own ears, eyes and brain. We are here to deny reality in all its forms.

He is 100% correct. Rowling expressed concern about the erasure of women, girls and mothers from language, advertising, health care information, etc., and the trans mentals responded by calling her a "terf cunt" and sent her a plethora of violent threats. This was openly supported by White Leftist men.

Trans "women" are violently misogynistic white men who think womanhood is a costume they can appropriate.

In the last week or so has anybody else noticed the site working differently ?

For me one symbol is now substituting for the three buttons under a post (WW, FF, Ignore Poster) The symbol must be clicked to see the three buttons.

Also when searching a subject the option to Open a Thread is gone.

Paying subscriber. Otherwise things seem as normal.

Time stands still for no man.He was so beautiful. All I can say is I wish Id run across one of these trans bitches in public spouting that shit Id be forced to slap her silly.

Can someone mention a person actually cancelled over the trans issue? I'm talking treated like Kanye.

James Dreyfus, R8. A gay actor from the UK who was cancelled when he expressed concern over the trans cult.

Graham Linehan of Father Ted fame is someone else who was cancelled for expressing his concerns over the trans cult.

How exactly were they "cancelled?" What exactly was cancelled?

R6, you should start a thread so other people see it, and can respond.

No one is ever "cancelled" - just criticized. OP must think transphobes are beyond criticism

Third-rate sitcom stars aren't cancelled. They've just reach a point of cultural irrelevance, so they lean into spouting hot takes on political issues to grab attention, and then can't tolerate the predictable backlash. This is not cancellation. It's the natural course of a celebrity's career hitting the skids coinciding with their poor judgment, desperation for attention, and shitty analysis of an issue that doesn't effect them.

He's losing his looks. Geez get some hair transplants for that hairline matey

R3 how come?

[quote] How exactly were they "cancelled?" What exactly was cancelled?

They were fired over the uproar of their comments by the transtapo.

Dreyfus is gay, unlike Linehan, and one of his arguments is that gay and lesbian voices are being silenced in debates that involve them. I find that at least slightly more interesting than Linehan's situation (which is that he's a straight guy who has allowed this issue, by his own admission, to consume his life to the extent that he lost his marriage over it).

whenever I see his name, I will always remember the time he was flying to India for some kind of AIDS charity event and he fucked the flight attendant in the bathroom WITHOUT a condom.

He's a whore and he fucks his fans. probably has herpes.

Graham Linehan sounds like a complete nutcase.

[quote] Dreyfus is gay, unlike Linehan, and one of his arguments is that gay and lesbian voices are being silenced in debates that involve them.

He's right.

"I will always remember the time he was flying to India for some kind of AIDS charity event and he fucked the flight attendant in the bathroom WITHOUT a condom."

Link, please.

Men pretending to be women does affect plenty of straight men, R14. Especially those with daughters.

I want to see her own her words or at least elaborate on what she said. Enough of this "people on Twitter are so MEAN" bullshit. There's no real threat to her life. She's not experiencing anything that thousands of other people haven't experienced online.

I would be terrified to receive lots of threats from unstable lunatics- perhaps looking to be a martyr. Who the fuck knows. It would be disturbing and it is very bad behavior.

But it’s all cool for R24.

Soon to be deleted Trans Obsession Thread.

R24 is a big sissy-boy who wears big sissy dresses.

Trannys ruin everything.

Only so I can sneak into women's restrooms, r27. Since that's a real thing that happens

R3 Incapable of hearing the voices of uggos.

This really is a shallow cunt site.

It does happen here in Portland. Saw a towering bloke in a sweater set and …bike shorts and full makeup saunter out of the womens’ room at New Seasons.

Actually surprised New Seasons has a womens’ room tbh.

In case you were being facetious R29.

James Dreyfus cancelled? Was he even in anything after The Thin Blue Line and Gimme, Gimme, Gimme?

He was a one trick pony.

[quote] you should start a thread so other people see it, and can respond.

I was unclear. Ability to start a new thread seems to have disappeared at the same time the pages reformatted themselves.

Otherwise yes I'd have done so.

[quote] How exactly were they "cancelled?" What exactly was cancelled?

Oh fuck off, you TRA apologist. Try your form of stupid at a forum where people can't see exactly what has been happening. In fact, you're wasting your time at a forum that knew exactly what the T was up to some 15 years ago.

We're done.

Literal violence.

R27 is a right-wing sissy who is scared of people who are different

We need more people like him to stand up against the extremists who target Rowling.

[quote]No one is ever "cancelled" - just criticized. OP must think transphobes are beyond criticism

People have their jobs cancelled.

R1 is TRIGGERED

R38, name them. Name someone who no longer works or gets to speak for talking about trans. I have my issues with the trans demands, but not a single person has ever gotten the Kanye treatment. Not one.

R40 You have already been told. Now, fuck off and die....alone.

He's a fine actor but his opinions mean nothing to me one way or the other.

R40, do you have those goalpoasts on roller-skate wheels? You sure can move them lightning fast.

Dave Chappelle had a SHOW cancelled, you fucking cowards. Not his career and every endorsement. I didn't move the goal posts, dickhead. I asked the same question and you can't answer it in *kind*.

Kanye has literally had his CAREER cancelled, his endorsements all gone -- not one or two gone. EVERY major endorsement gone.

Chappelle's c a r e e r has not been cancelled.

You can't fucking answer, that's what it comes down to.

Here, shitheads. Pick a show to go see. None were CANCELLED:

R6,

I started a thread for you to ask about tech issues on DL.

R6 Try logging out and logging back in. DL frequently logs me out and the buttons disappear.

They also go away when I try to use dark mode.

R6, ignore the tiresome thread-nannies. This is the DL, we can do whatever we want. You are perfectly welcome to ask about tech issues (and anything else) in any thread you like.

Ralph Fiennes is a good liberal, just as Rowling used to be. He feels sorry for her and is defending the poor old dear. The problem is that Rowling chose this. She continues to engage in attention-seeking behavior on this issue. When the right wing and the Republicans are no longer able to use this for fundraising and whipping up their mentally ill supporters it will go away just like all the others. Rowling will still feel the same way about it but it will no longer serve her as an attention getting device. Fiennes is a great actor. He was when he was younger and he is as he gets older. He won't disappear over a side issue for a limited audience like this one.

[quote]Kanye has literally had his CAREER cancelled, his endorsements all gone -- not one or two gone. EVERY major endorsement gone.

Good.

"She continues to engage in attention-seeking behavior on this issue."

Yes, because if anyone needs more attention, it's THE MOST FAMOUS AUTHOR IN THE WHOLE, WIDE WORLD. You really are delusional.

[quote] whenever I see his name, I will always remember the time he was flying to India for some kind of AIDS charity event and he fucked the flight attendant in the bathroom WITHOUT a condom.

HOT! He's kind of a hot daddy. Where do I sign up?

r47 and r48 thank you both.

I had already rebooted the computer and that changed nothing.

The dark mode seems to have been an issue. I unchecked that box and the buttons are back to normal. Still can't start a new thread though. Maybe somebody is disciplining me. for something.

Again thanks to you both for the assistance.

Making Nazi-like antisemitic statements is about as far as you can go to offend just about everyone (except maybe for n-word tirades), so it's hardly surprising that Kanye West should be completely cancelled.

The trans issue simply doesn't get the general public as stirred up as antisemitism (yet), so it's not a fair comparison. But I would guess that if J.K. Rowling were to be offered any kind of contract to sponsor something or lend her name to some product, and she accepted, there would be such an outcry from the trans people and their allies, with threats of boycotts and so on, that the company would be forced to withdraw the offer and she'd have to turn the contract down. That doesn't happen because she's not interested in that kind of thing and she doesn't need the money. But I'd say she's been pretty effectively cancelled. I imagine she'd even have trouble getting books published now.

I'd say the same thing about Martina Navratilova.

He used to be terribly sexy, I remember when I was a horby teen pausing my copy of "Red Dragon" when he runs up the stairs naked, cock bared!

Should have won the Oscar for Schindler's List

he's shown his peen at least once on broadway.

Wow what an embarrassment of great performances for Best Supporting Actor in 1993!

Leonardo DiCaprio - Whats Eating Gilbert Grape?

Tommy Lee Jones - The Fugitive

Ralph Fiennes - Schindler's List

Pete Postlethwaite - In The Name Of The Father

John Malkovich - In The Line Of Fire

After chatting together, there was, she has admitted, a lot of 'body language' between them and even the odd kiss or two.

She gave him her phone number. Finally she decided to take matters into her own hands.

"I just stood up, reached down for his hand and told him to follow me," she told friends.

"We went into the toilet and locked the door and off came much of our clothes."

She said they then had passionate and apparently unprotected sex.

Other crew members, more than a little suspicious, waited outside the door and later reported her to airline bosses.

Miss Robertson, 38, told friends she was so overwhelmed with the moment that she did not care who was listening, what they saw or what they assumed had been going on.

That is in stark contrast to what she told her bosses at Qantas.

In a statement, she portrayed Fiennes as the villain, claiming he had followed her into the lavatory where he made his intentions clear.

She said that she had told him it was inappropriate to follow her there and, after a short time, convinced him to leave.

She told her bosses she had been so alarmed at being followed that she expected one of the other crew to help her.

"At no time did any crew member come to my assistance," she complained.

She also insisted that at no time were any other passengers aware of the incident.

It is hard to believe that they didn't notice staff gathered outside a lavatory for so long. Or the fact that two people eventually emerged, one an Oscar-nominated actor.

After the plane landed in Mumbai shortly after 7pm local time Miss Robertson travelled to the Grand Hyatt, a 20-minute drive from the city's international airport.

Staff at the hotel confirmed to the Daily Mail yesterday that the Qantas crew had been booked in as usual that night.

But Miss Robertson apparently did not use her room.

She has told friends that not long after arriving in Mumbai her mobile phone rang.

It was Fiennes. He wanted to see her again.

They met at a hotel and spent a passionate night together, this time practising safe sex.

[quote]I imagine she'd even have trouble getting books published now.

Her latest mystery book (as Robert Galbraith) debuted at #1 in the UK, and #3 in the US, two months ago. She had a bestselling children's book under her own name last year.

[quote]I'd say the same thing about Martina Navratilova.

Navratilova continues to work as a premiere tennis analyst. I think you already know these things, but for anyone who doesn't, there you go.

I'm much rather have had Joseph Fienne in his prime

[quote] She told her bosses she had been so alarmed at being followed that she expected one of the other crew to help her. "At no time did any crew member come to my assistance," she complained.

Yet, looking her up she used to boast about it

In 2007, Qantas stewardess Lisa Robertson claimed she’d had a fling with Harry Potter actor, Ralph Fiennes, in the business-class toilet on a flight from Darwin to Bombay.

After originally denying the rumours when they were reported, she told the Mail on Sunday: “It's true. We did make love on the plane that night.

She was also a prostitute when this occurred.

[quote]He feels sorry for her and is defending the poor old dear. The problem is that Rowling chose this. She continues to engage in attention-seeking behavior on this issue.

Yes, really. Why won’t she just sit down and shut up? There’s a good dear.

Who fucking cares that he had sex with some rando woman? What on earth does that have to do with the topic?

one of the poster in this thread asked for link to his whorish ways.

“Canceled” means being a victim of focused, persistent, harassment, either in person or on social media. Just because you may still be able to make a living doesn’t mean you weren’t canceled.

No, being "cancelled" means no longer being able to make a living because you have been boycotted by the public. If you are still able to continue making a living just as you were before then you haven't been cancelled.

If you're just getting rations of shit for what you say on social media, especially if you go looking for a fight, it's not the same as being cancelled. Rowling hasn't been cancelled yet. She gives people shit, people give her shit and they go round and round like children in a schoolyard. Kanye is being cancelled. Paula Deen was cancelled. Alex Jones is in the process of being cancelled right now. Michael Something that comedian from Seinfeld was cancelled. Dave Chappelle was not cancelled - they tried and they failed, he's still out there swinging.

I wish the awful anti-Trans cunts on the DL were more like Dave Chappelle. I disagree with him but I don't loathe and despise him. He doesn't constantly attack Trans people on a daily basis, we simply disagree. He's entitled to his opinion and I'm entitled to mine. I'd pay to see Chappelle anytime and enjoy the show. Stating how you feel about something and what you believe doesn't have to be the vile and hateful shitshow you make it, ladies.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Dumb cunts on here saying no one can be cancelled; Graham Linehan has been vilified and torn apart by the trans brigade. Kudos to Ralph for defending JK Rowling.

Isn’t it sort of hypocritical of JK that she chose a man’s name (and implicit male persona) as her pseudonym for her other books? Like, her literary identity is trans. She feels comfortable and free enough to change her gender as regards her own literary output but hates all other gender fluid people.

No.

How da fuck is 'JK' implicitly male? You fool R69

R71 lol she uses the pseudonym Robert Galbraith for other output. You really thought you did something there, fucking idiot.

Although since you say it R71, she also did choose JK over Joanna because it did sound more implicitly male, her own words. So she’s been at this gender bending business herself for over 20 years.

[quote] The author previously said she decided against including Joanne – her real name – because the publisher feared an audience of young boys would not want to read books by a woman.

It wasn't gender bending. It was strategic capitulation to misogyny. But you all know that.

And using a male pseudonym professionally has nothing to do with personal identity or gender presentation.

[quote]“Canceled” means being a victim of focused, persistent, harassment, either in person or on social media. Just because you may still be able to make a living doesn’t mean you weren’t canceled.

So "cancelled" just means being criticized? And it doesn't mean actually being cancelled, just "cancelled." Which doesn't impact the ability to earn a living or anything besides receiving criticism.

Your side is an absolute joke. But WE'RE the snowflakes. Hilarious!

[quote]Graham Linehan has been vilified and torn apart by the trans brigade.

Oh no! A man was criticized! And "torn apart!" Oh nooooooooooo!!!!

Are you triggered? Do you need a safe space?

[quote] It wasn't gender bending. It was strategic capitulation to misogyny.

It does have a degree of gender bending involved. She said it herself R74. Your second point i can see standing up to some scrutiny when she was publishing HP as a broke and new author however in the case of Robert Galbraith she had nothing to lose financially (already a billionaire) and there was no risk, yet she again chose a more definitive male persona for publishing.

There absolutely is gender bending going on here in that she’s publishing professionally as both genders, and at least she’s very comfortable with discarding her femininity for her entire career at the drop of a hat when she wants or when it suits her. Which is bizarre considering how strict she is on others when they want to do the same in other parts of their lives.

You could even accuse her of misogyny here as she precipitated and anticipated herself selling less because she was a woman rather than standing up for her identity and testing the waters with her real name. She also could have gone back to her real name after the security of the books success was established but she didn’t.

[quote] And using a male pseudonym professionally has nothing to do with personal identity or gender presentation.

Lol right. I’m sure you’re fine with people at work using different pronouns from those they had at birth on emails in that case.

He was so hot when he was young. I’m not going to judge a hot slut, if you are hot enough to get laid by a rando in plane toilet go forth and fuck your brains out.

No, r75, being canceled isn’t just being criticized. But you know that, don’t you. Unless you think persistent public harassment and threats are mere criticism.

The tranny on this thread is so tranny.

JK Rowling’s perpetual victimhood is so tiresome at this point. She’s neither “stunning” or “brave,” but a great example why to stay off Twitter.

Time is a bitch.

This is Graham Linehan, R68 isn’t it? Lol You’re pathetic enough to come crying to DL when you’ve already been booted off every other site, even Mumsnet didn’t want you… and we don’t want you either.

Reality is a bitch.

R8, When you actually look into it none of them have genuinely been cancelled for talking about trans. Look at all the right wing pundits that have said heinous things about lgbt people recently and have only become more successful because of it. You have pedos and child predators like Matt Walsh, Tucker Carlson, Chaya Raichik, James Esses, Stephen Crowder…etc, being praised for attacking lgbt. That tells you all you need to know about their bogus claims of being cancelled. They’re really just upset because their grift isn’t working as well as the others.

The Tucker Carlson Anti-Trans Brigade gets it's collective panty wet over Ralph Fiennes!

R18, I doubt his “concern” for lesbians and gays supposedly being “silenced” is genuine when you see how many right wing homophobes he’s willing to align himself with that are actually trying to strip gay rights away. It is the case with gay supporters of terf/ gender critical ideologies, their concerns about homophobia is completely superficial.

[quote]I want to see her own her words or at least elaborate on what she said.

If you're talking about Rowling, she wrote an entire essay explaining exactly what she said and meant. Go read it. Maybe it will enlighten you.

I don't know who these vigilant trannie gals are, but they sure have big balls. Taking on these big names. Very impressed, ladies.

Team Rowling

Therefore: Team Ralph

R85 Retarded and lying?

I sometimes wonder if this is actually a Gay site.

Gay people used to be edgy and completely politically incorrect. We loved women and many a effeminate Gay man had dallied with dolls and Lesbian girls dallied with trucks before finding our way to Gay fabulousness. No issue.

Now it is all about thinking the same and anyone who has an idea outside Gay rules is a Transphobe, or a Fascist or Boris.

We are constantly being gaslit and being told” Cancelation, what cancellation?”

J K Rowling has had death threats. There is a level of misogyny in the names she is called that is beyond the Pale. The actors who she literally helped find fame basically disown her, but to people on here it is all just fun and games and she should grow a bigger spine.

Fuck I despair where Gay Rights have gone. I used to be so proud to be Gay, now I just find excuses why I stay away from Gay events.

He's right.

It's like a Trans MAGA attacking her for having the nerve to say, "Women menstruate"!

I think their canceling wand has run out of magic. No one gets canceled for trans shit anymore.

As a woman, I agree with this entirely. But if I said this in any way shape or form to anyone I work with I would be fired. I feel like I’m not allowed to stick up for my own sex Trans "women" are violently misogynistic white men who think womanhood is a costume they can appropriate.

R36 - “ [R27] is a right-wing sissy who is scared of people who are different”

Quite the opposite, asshole at R36. I vote Democratic, but I have limits to my liberalism. I’m put off and disgusted by men who think that just because they wear a dress that they are a woman. And then, have the nerve to cram their insufferable and twisted logic down our throats. Lose the T. It does nothing for us gays. Nothing. Go fuck yourself, deeply.

R1 go dilate your fictional cunt!

R92 They are so tiresome.

[quote] I used to be so proud to be Gay, now I just find excuses why I stay away from Gay events.

Many of us feel that way and are quietly walking away.

In my neck of the woods, the legacy gay organizations are diminishing in donations and participation from gay people. (The only ones that aren't already have a large endowment and don't really depend on annual donations.)

So much of Trans ideology is virulently anti Gay and anti women. It is so opposed to everything we as Gay people stand for.

It pushes stereotypes that are more the 1950s idea of what a man is or a woman. Women do this and are feminine. Men do this and are masculine.

Gay is the antithesis of all of this. We say we are fabulous and men. We say we are butch and are women. We can be anything we want.

The deeply uncomfortable aspect of Trans is that this is being pushed by a deeply progressive agenda pushing very clear stereotypes. It is also being overwhelmingly pushed by Straight people and especially men who have a deeply misogynistic view of women.

The idea that a woman or a Gay man can be told it is Transphobic to reject a member of the opposite sex who calls themselves Trans but 9 times out of 10 has never gone through an operation is not only complete bullshit. It is also sinister.

"Nobody has been cancelled over trans issues." *points to someone who has been cancelled over trans issues.* "They weren't really cancelled as they haven't killed themselves in destitution... yet."

Im confused. Did Ralph fuck a trans in a plane bathroom ? Are trans mad because he didnt want to fuck one of them in a plane bathroom? Its so hard to keep up these days. Off to find a comfortable Golden Girls thread. Im sick of even seeing the word trans.

[quote]The idea that a woman or a Gay man can be told it is Transphobic to reject a member of the opposite sex who calls themselves Trans but 9 times out of 10 has never gone through an operation is not only complete bullshit. It is also sinister.

Sexual attraction doesn't work by decree.

But I'm sure if the trans is worth a billion$, there'll be plenty of willing fish in the sea.

[quote]I doubt his “concern” for lesbians and gays supposedly being “silenced” is genuine when you see how many right wing homophobes he’s willing to align himself with that are actually trying to strip gay rights away. It is the case with gay supporters of terf/ gender critical ideologies, their concerns about homophobia is completely superficial.

Who is there to align with that is genuinely concerned that lesbians and gays are being silenced?

That's exactly right, r95. Everyone knows that only certain things can be said about the gender/trans issue otherwise their job is at risk, which is why people don't speak out and simply nod and add "their" pronouns to their signature or acquiesce when the toilets at work are made gender neutral, despite how uncomfortable this makes them feel.

This is what living in a totalitarian state is like: everyone knows the state ideology is bullshit but is also too afraid to speak out about it. It's the Soviet Union all over again.

In the UK, we had Maya Forstater sacked for a polite tweet. She also lost her initial case against her former employer because the the "trans awareness workshop" brainwashed judge declared that her belief that humans can't change sex is unacceptable in a democratic society. She eventually won on appeal and set a great precedent for gender critical beliefs. But it's still an uphill battle for most in the workplace. We recently had a ruling in the UK against nurses who objected to a male colleague who claims to be a woman for standing around with his penis in the nurses' locker room.

Professor Kathleen Stock, a lesbian, was hounded out of her job at Sussex University for her belief that biological sex is real. Some morons have tried to claim that she hasn't been "cancelled' and has full freedom of speech because she subsequently appeared on a chat show (where the host derided her opinion about the reality of biological sex) and had some media coverage. She should be teaching at a university, however, but that is impossible in the UK if you state the belief that there are only two biological sexes.

"Cancel culture" works in insidious ways, and it has created a climate of fear on trans issues, where anyone who speaks out against the only acceptable line and stands up for reality undergoes character assassination and a cyber-lynching.

I mean, weren't Rowling's followers the ones who basically chased gay treasure Graham Norton off Twitter?

I couldn't care less about Fiennes but JK is not in my good books right now.

I think most people are apathetic about it all. They don’t really care about gay or trans people.

I still think the trans thing is blown out of proportion. I don’t know a single trans person and find the “Omg they’re taking over our spaces” view to be over the top.

Good for Ralph. It takes guts for him to say this but I’m glad he did.

[quote]I don’t know a single trans person and find the “Omg they’re taking over our spaces” view to be over the top.

It's affecting institutional culture, and public policies and legislative bills. Not to mention the abuse of healthcare at places like Tavistock.

One day it will catch up with people in everyday life if left unchecked and unopposed.

R107 you're lying. There are trans everywhere. There were two at my job when we worked on site and I saw one the other day at a Macy's working the perfume counter. He was perfectly kind --though he looked ridiculous in his tights, heels and beard--so it's not as though it was noteworthy, but to pretend it's all a media creation is laughable at this point. And I live in a conservative red state, in a semi rural town.

We should create a new rights movement for another sexual fetish like the T have for their autogynephilia. Which fetish should we pick to create our new movement around?

R111 Furry rights!

R112, we'll all have to pretend people at work are actually cats. They'll have to install litter boxes in all the bathrooms. We'll all have to list our favorite crinkly toy in our email signatures. Calling in sick for a bad case of hairballs.

[quote]Rowling expressed concern about the erasure of women, girls and mothers from language, advertising, health care information, etc., and the trans mentals responded by calling her a "terf cunt" and sent her a plethora of violent threats.

[quote]So much of Trans ideology is virulently anti Gay and anti women.

Bull shit.

Rowling, along with all her gender critical friends are aligning themselves with far-right organizations to push their anti-trans agenda--organizations that are actively seeking to take away the very rights of cis women and gay people TERFs claim they're trying to protect.

They are NOT protecting women's rights when they're willing to court and work with racists, homophobes and sexists--sexists who would throw JK's ass and all women back into the kitchen if they had their way.

They are fucking hypocrites who are strengthening groups that seek to harm all LGBTQ people, including every gay or lesbian on this board.

This Youtuber gives a very clear and succinct breakdown of JK Rowling's friends and who they are affiliated with. Every gay or lesbian on Rowling's side needs to watch this video and educate yourself.

That bitch and her ilk are NOT our friend and will come after us after they've pushed trans people back in the closet.

Hey, liar at R114, go ahead and list Rowling's anti-trans quotes. In fact, just link to one. Bet you can't do it.

R110 I'm not lying. The last trans person I can think of that I saw was a waitress in a cafe. She was friendly and attentive, but pretty sure she was trans. I can't remember the exact date, but I know it was before the pandemic, so it was likely 2019. I honestly haven't knowingly seen or spoken to a trans person since then. I don't, and have never, worked with a trans person either. And I work for a large employer.

Obviously trans people exist but I do find the massive anti trans pushback a little odd and, if I'm honest, concerning. So much of it is similar to the homophobia we all experienced years ago. It's nasty and divisive; there's no room for debate or discussion. Even this thread shows that. If you don't 100% agree that trans people are some kind of threat, you usually get abused, told to "go dilate", called a misogynist, etc etc. All tactics of trying to shut up any opposition rather than wanting to have a grown up discussion about it.

Then you've got the "LGB Alliance" in the UK who claim to be for the rights of lesbian, gay and bisexual people, but only seem to care about constantly slating trans people. At their recent conference that's all they seemed to talk about and a lot of the conference seemed to be made up of straight people.

I dunno, I just find the rhetoric odd and it makes me wonder if there's really something more sinister behind it all. The rise of the right wing in the west is concerning and I do worry that this is just part of it. There are definitely people who want to wind back rights for gay people and I'm certainly not going to help them do it.

R116 Watch the video at R114

This isn't an odd occurrence. It is deliberate. There IS something more sinister behind it all.

Again, watch the video. It goes into great detail exposing all the connective tissue that exists between these gender critical groups (that JK Rowling openly and fully supports) and fascist groups.

They are working together. These TERFs are being funded by the very groups that are working to take away ALL our rights as LGBTQ people, not just Trans people.

And JK Rowling openly supports these people. I don't give a shit if she claims to be an ally. When you openly and knowingly support people who are actively campaigning to take our rights aways, you are NOT an ally. You're a bigot and a fraud.

Wake up people! JK Rowling is not here for us.

[quote]You have pedos and child predators like Matt Walsh, Tucker Carlson, Chaya Raichik, James Esses, Stephen Crowder…etc

Um, what? Links please.

The only thing "stunning" about trannies is their steadfast commitment to bald-faced lies. Fervently evangelizing them.....and living them.

If trans men are men, then gay men not wanting to sleep with them are transphobic. Do you not see the problem here?

R117 Yeah that does back up what I'm saying. I don't actually think JK Rowling is a bad person - I think she has noble intentions of protecting women, but I do think she's not fully aware of how she comes across, or what some of the people she allies herself with are truly like.

I've followed a few 'gender critical' discussions on other message boards and the vast majority veer into homophobia at some points. Even one poster who used to frequent the thread later said she'd left it because the homophobia concerned her. It's basically an echo chamber, because it's made up of around 20- 30 regular posters who agree with each other completely and the second a new poster arrives and doesn't completely agree with them, they get rounded on and eviscerated. They're like a pack of dogs.

R117, Rowling does not "openly support" any right-wingers. She openly supports women, children and gay people, who are the most at risk from the trans ideology and its homophobia and misogyny.

[quote]I've followed a few 'gender critical' discussions on other message boards and the vast majority veer into homophobia at some points.

I've noticed this too. It's actually kind of worrying. I don't know what I think anymore, there's no side to align with. I guess I'm just in the middle. There are people out there saying offensive things about gays and lesbians and it seems to be on both sides of this issue. I agree with some of the points critical of gender ideology, mostly around the issues of interference in gay men's and lesbians' culture and gay/lesbian only spaces, historical revision, and what may potentially be young gay and lesbian kids feeling pressured to transition, things like that.

However, many of the loudest voices in the gender critical movement are way more conservative than I am, and I get the feeling if they got their own way, homosexuals might not be much better off. Worryingly talking in a "somebody think of the children" way about everything. As far as I'm concerned, kids DO need sex education in school (I wish I'd had some aimed at gay men when I was at school, rather than "learning" by having Sean just ram his cock into me unprepared my first time). And the fuss over drag queens is weird to me, they may as well be freaking out about clowns or Santa Claus or other dressed up people reading to kids. They also have a tendency to make mountains out of molehills, or deliberately misinterpret things someone has said (see the recent kerfuffle over Graham Norton).

But also, some of these loud voices on the gender identity side are so WEIRD and quite honestly, offensive (see Jaclyn Moore, for example). I get pissed off when they act like "gay white men" are privileged and evil, when gay, white men have had MANY struggles alongside others, and many of the men I know are incredibly kind and supportive. And as I said above - I HATE people lying about history.

Others must feel the same as me, surely? My own values on this fall somewhere in the middle.

Ha! Let'em try. I love Ralph Fiennes and his movies.

All he said was that it is wrong to threaten the life of one who is critical of your theory.

He also said that many TRAs have been NASTY AS FUCK to her (in so doing, revealing who they really are.)

What did he say that anyone can rightly label hateful? What in what TRAS say to JK Rowling can be labeled civilized and thoughtful?

Dave shappel and netflix showed nothing will happen if you ignore the mentally deranged freaks and gen z losers. Let them bark all they want, that's all they can do. With j.k Rowling they're bitter because she created something they live and hate that she doesn't see men in dresses as feminist. She's right.

*chapelle

R122 Yes I think a lot of people do fall in the middle. We sometimes make the mistake of assuming the volume of voices is directly related to the amount of people who share those views.

I noticed JK Rowling had been quiet since she misrepresented Graham Norton's views, which resulted in him deleting his Twitter account. I had wondered if she might display some contrition, but no, she returned over a week later just to have a public fight with another author who'd got her on block. I actually think she damages her cause.

R121. She does nothing to stop her followers from going after gay people when they critique her or her ideology. Like Graham.

That definitely not an ally.

In other news 📰

Ralph Fiennes never seemed particularly heterosexual to me.

Most of the people in R114's photo are lesbians--and the three who aren't are not right wing whackjobs.

Follow them on Twitter if you like.

This whole Trans debate is problematic, it is using the Gay Rights movement as a battering ram to push an agenda antithetical to Gay Rights.

It says we can be gender fluid. It says we can be born in the wrong body. This is the OPPOSITE of being Gay. We say we were born Gay as a man or woman. We can’t change because we were born Gay. Trans say I was born the wrong sex so I need to change to the right one.

This then completely negates Gay Rights . We can’t change because we were born this way. But then Trans Is saying we were born in the wrong body so we need to change. Cant people see how completely fucked up that is for Gay Rights?

Our whole identity is based on we can’t change. Trans is based on we can.

We have opened a fucking can of worms and left ourselves open to every critic. We pushed for Gay Marriage based on the concept we were born this way. Now we are saying we can change on a fucking whim. THIS IS BULLSHIT!!

The ultimate goal of the trans agenda is the complete elimination of the concept of biological sex differences. Period.

That's why they've gone to great lengths on the one hand to drill it into all our heads that "sex and gender are completely different, and have nothing whatsoever to do with each other", while simultaneously conflating the two whenever and wherever possible.

Examples:

the trans phrases "Assigned Female At Birth" and "Assigned Male At Birth" (AFAB and AMAB). Male and female are sex categories, not gender categories. Nobody is looking at a baby and deciding what toys they have to play with and what clothes they have to wear. They are simply documenting the baby's biological sex. Yet, TRAs find this highly offensive and wrong, because they are offended by the reality of biology.

The Social Security Administration, at the behest of TRAs, recently announced that you can choose your sex designation for your Social Security records. Not your gender, your sex. They can't stand the fact that biological sex exists.

They have also quietly changed the very definition of homosexuality, from "same sex attraction" to "same gender attraction". Yet at the same time, they are telling us that it's possible to be a "non-binary lesbian" or a "non-binary gay male". If being a homosexual now means "same gender attraction", and "non-binary" is a completely different gender category than either man or woman, than it's literally not possible to be a "non-binary lesbian".

They don't see or address the obvious logical inconsistencies in their lunacy, because it's not about making sense to them. It's about making trans-identifying people feel good, at the expense of the rest of society, which ultimately means the total elimination of the concept of biological sex, which, of course, also means the elimination of the concept of homosexuality.

[quote]we love women

Um, you’re definitely not a gay man are you, R92? Your comment reads like a whiny frau. Yes, this is still a gay forum and just because we don’t want to hear about your hate boner for trans doesn’t mean gay rights are going extinct.

R118, the link is at R114, you moron. That video demonstrates CLEARLY the homophobes, pedos and creeps she associates herself with, and her entire twitter account sums it up pretty well. Nobody is reading her crappy essay from years ago when we can see who she is now. And fuck off with your “bold face lie” and “everybody who disagrees with me is a trans” BS when the evidence is clear.

R121, you keep parroting that garbage and at this point it’s just embarrassing.

R114, thank you for posting that video. It should be brought up every time her sycophants try to lie about her being a defender of women and gay rights, And let’s not forget the child predators she’s praises as well like Matt Walsh. So much for “protecting the children”.

R116, the LGB Alliance had straight man and child predator James Esses at their recent event, this man lied about being fired for his alleged gender critical beliefs and was part of a pedo grooming cult, but this is who they chose to take center stage at a supposedly LGB event concerning LGB rights?

Unbelievable.

I used to spend a lot of time involved in intersectional activism. Nothing the terfs throw out could match the despicable level of homophobia displayed by trans activists. I think what people don't get is that the current generation of terfs didn't get that way by being brainwashed. They got that way by interacting with trans activists. If you don't want people to hate and fear you don't act like fucking psychopaths.

Julie Bindel who said being a lesbian is a CHOICE, spends her time harassing and attacking gay men. Kathleen Stock likens LGBT people (that includes the G and L) to predators and groomers and also likes to fixate on gay men and drag queens. Allison Bailey said it’s okay to include homophobes, racists and misogynists in the movement because “trans are the real enemy”.

Helen Joyce, a straight homophobic woman, thinks trans people should be eradicated from public life, basically parroting Nazi eugenics. Maya Forster had a meltdown over a cartoon mascot.

IIRC Angela Wild or one of the other high profile GC women stated that they will not associate with homophobes, racists or misogynists regardless of where they stand on their beliefs on trans people.

R129, I have followed several of them on twitter and it’s safe to say most of these women are scumbags and grifters and almost all of them share right wing rhetoric on their timelines.

Of course Voldemort is going to go against Harry, Hermonine and Ron, it’s in his nature.

R136, that’s pure bs. TRAs aren’t trying to eradicate gay rights nor are they using rehashed homophobic rhetoric from the 70s and 80s to attack gay people. Seen plenty of that coming from TERFs.

Gay men and lesbians aren’t obligated to support or join either of these groups, but if I had to choose I know which one I’d choose.

Only men can be transwomen.

R137 Julie Bindel is a misandrist through and through. I don't use the word lightly, but it's true.

It all gets passed off as a joke by her supporters, but if men made similar jokes, they'd be righly labelled misogynists.

Because misandry might offend men, but it isn't a part of a worldwide theme of oppressing and murdering men. That's why misogyny gets called out as a phenomenon but "misandry" is just a social offense with occasional serious consequences.

[quote]She does nothing to stop her followers from going after gay people

LOL She isn't a Twitter employee with the job to police the platform.

Imagine if a white person said they identified as black because they liked R&B or grew up around black people or w/e and darkened their skin color and insisted on being referred to as a black person. Everyone would rightfully laugh at them. So why do men get to decide they’re women and act like they know what being a woman is more than biological women just because they like wearing dresses and makeup?

There is one trans loon on this thread as usual, pretending to be different people and complimenting himself on his posts. F/F and block the shitheel. Lying about Helen Joyce ffs she is not a homophobe nor is she right wing.

You will never be a woman. Go dilate your pus-encrusted frankengina.

[quote] "Julie Bindel who said being a lesbian is a CHOICE, spends her time harassing and attacking gay men."

Julie Bindel is a very reasonable woman (also, lesbian) who has been a member of the activist gay and lesbian community for half a century. Any lesbian who is involved with gay groups now--and especially back in the beginning, 70s and 80s in London, knows that there was and is a strand of misogynism in gay activism. And she talks about it publicly, exposes it for what it is, in the hope that we'll as a community improve.

This offends you how?

[quote] "Kathleen Stock likens LGBT people (that includes the G and L) to predators and groomers..."

Kathleen Stock is a hot silver fox lesbian who's a bit of a nerd with her philosophy stuff.

[quote] Helen Joyce, a straight homophobic woman, thinks trans people should be eradicated from public life...

The beautiful, the mellifluous, and the highly intelligent Helen Joyce, former editor of the Economist with a Phd in mathematics, who spent her prior career as a foreign correspondent where she covered politics and economics--being a quick study--must be a pretty remarkable "homophobe" because all of her new friends and colleagues are gay men and lesbian women.

[quote] Maya Forster had a meltdown over a cartoon mascot.

Maya was fired for not stating her pronouns.

[quote] "IIRC Angela Wild or one of the other high profile GC women stated..."

Angela Wild is a hot lesbian, and I don't care what you say about her. She can have her way with me anytime.

R145, again, accusing everyone of being a covert trans just because you don’t like the facts. Yes, Helen Joyce and Julie Bindel are homophobic pieces of shit. That’s not going to change no matter how much you repeat 2+2=5

Julie Bindel is in a long-term relationship with another woman.

R143, Why would she need to be, and what kind of lazy attempt at sidestepping on the issue is that?

They are her rabid supporters. If she can take the time out to send “big love” to homophobic nut jobs like Caroline Farrow and “welcome back” a man wishing AIDS on gay men then she can very much tell her supporters to back off, the fact that she chooses not to speaks volumes.

R147 just lies and thinks everyone will go along because that's what they are trained to do at TransU.

R149, do you believe that lesbians who refuse to consider sex or relationships with transwomen are transphobic? Do you believe that some lesbians have penises?

I always like gender critical people gloss over the problematic 'allies' like Caroline Farrow. Ignoring doesn't make it go away.

Julie Bindel only seems to use lesbian identity to be homophobic towards gay men, and subsequently lesbian women, since she believes it’s a choice therefore can be changed. “Political lesbians” really have no place to criticize anyone.

Funny how the Transtapo gloss over all the, ya know, murderers and rapists in their group, huh, R152? And, let's not forget the ones who threaten to beat women to death with barbwire covered baseball bats and threaten and assault women on a regular basis at gay right's parades and gatherings. Let's not even get started with the Twitter posts from the most ardent Transtapo members.

R153, are there "political gay men" or do you just dismiss lesbians' sexuality? So shocking that a member of the Transtapo is a misogynist and sexist.

All trannies do is steal and then play victim. Bullies.

R23, Imagine saying this kind of crap on a gay forum used by gay men.

Btw, the daughters of those deeply “affected” straight men are more likely to be molested by someone they know than “men pretending to be a women”.

R152 It'd be nice if we could have a conversation without pejoratives being used, but as that never happens, Iet's leave it there.

I meant R154 !

R153, Farrow is more than problematic, she’s flat out unhinged, she had a meltdown over a rainbow lanyard and claimed she was being oppressed by it. Then there’s the one that calls herself “Posie Parker” Kellie Jay Keen Minshull and the child predator Kaeley Triller Haver who are major figures in gender critical movement.

[quote] Julie Bindel only seems to use lesbian identity to be homophobic towards gay men, and subsequently lesbian women, since she believes it’s a choice therefore can be changed.

This is what happens when the ignorant transtopo thinks our history is for them.

A lot of the old ladies (lesbians from the 70s) had a political-philosophical structure about choosing lesbianism that sounds weird to us younger lesbians today. They published shelves of books explaining what they meant, but of course, the transtopo doesn't read books, and can't understand anything but the most literal one-sentence summings-up.

Many of them are not just jealous of their female-ness, but also their intelligence.

Dana Rivers approves of this thread.

R161 using words like ‘transtopo’ (sic) just marks you out as a total twitter-brain-fried loser you do know that right? It’s akin to those people that ceded their minds to internet trash during the pandemic and go around parroting terms like ‘fear porn’ in everyday life now. Sad!

Perhaps slightly off topic, but the vitriol of the TRAs on this thread (and others) reminds me of some the repulsive posts on the two "Goodbye to my friends/fiends on Datalounge" threads. (It's the unhinged anger, the targets of their anger, and the verbiage used that convinces me of this.)

Reading through many 'blocked' posts on those two threads, I've concluded that TRAs (one or more) are making the disgusting posts on Joe's thread about his terminal cancer. (Compare the vile verbiage, the level-10 anger, and the targets they attack to other TRA-posts on this thread, JKR threads, and any other trans threads.)

As examples, here are a few 'blocked' posts from Joe's second thread.

(Note that the hate-filled POS is triggered by [bold]old, white men[/bold], who he/it says are "venomous old men everywhere else on [DL]." That hate echoes a lot of the TRA verbiage on many DL threads. (He also tries to insult a few posters by handle, such as 'ElderLez.'))

[bold]Goodbye to my fiends here at Datalounge. Part 2 (poster 33)[/bold]

One post. [quote]This thread is ghoulish. And bullshit. Nobody who's dying and surrounded by love wastes his time posting on Datalounge. Joe is a fraud.

[bold]The slobbering posters here are vipers and sob sisters who remain venomous old men everywhere else on this site.[/bold]

Everyone gets the attention they need out of this. It's still gross.

Another post: [quote]Nah, it's all the same poster. Dig deeper. R205 IS the sock puppet with so many accounts. Someone is exposing him. He posts on Madonna. Liza. Shania, John Mulaney, Funny Girl, Jussie Smollett, supermodels of the 1970s and answers his own posts from another account. Syntax - fuck that. The [bold]old bitch boy[/bold] can['t] even pretend to come up with a different persona or mode of expression. It's THE obsessive TROLL of DL. [bold]He wouldn't last a week on a smarter and busier and younger site. The OLD white BITCH of DL.[/bold] He's hysterical when cornered, like all wild furtive animals. It's also the inventor of this thread.

Goodbye Joe.

Another: [quote]Gather Mike, [bold]Elder Lez[/bold] and all DL Puppets made of Socks.

Joe is dead.

Last of the diarrhea: [quote]What's with all the [bold]ancient old lady talk? Datalounge thinks these antiquated comments[/bold] about can I have your stuff & what's on your ipod (what's that?) I'll bring a covered dish and wear a caftan are somehow warm, amusing and/or comforting??? WTF. It's just brainless rambling of [bold]ancient drunk white gays[bold] who have stayed too long in the same place IMO. The world has passed you all by.

Good Luck OP. You're on a fast moving train out of town. I'm glad you're not alone. All will be well. ❤

Sorry about posting that shit, but I'm really sick of these assholes. These morons are infesting the site with their delusional nonsense, and I think the vile insults on Joe's thread is one of the worst things they've done here. Soulless vermin!

I'm 164, and I messed up the formatting. The bold print from, "Sorry about posting that shit..." was my comment about the post. It was separate from the asshole troll's last post from Joe's thread, which he/it ended with, "All will be well.

R164 / R165 seems quite cynical to leverage someone’s terminal cancer diagnosis to further your hatred of trans people without any proof that those posters are the same posters. Nasty behaviour imho.

ElderLez is a lunatic Xtian.

I hate her, too.

R167, of course you do.

You hate everyone.

It's easy to imagine what these people's offline lives look like. You can see their anger from their posts.

[quote]Dana Rivers approves of this thread.

Isn’t his trial soon?

Hopefully, the Dana Rivers triple murder trial doesn't overlap with the conspiracy and espionage trial of Dr. Henry, the first trans person in the US military.

“ALL our rights as LGBTQ people, not just Trans people.” R 116

Therein lies the problem. I believe in L and G and B and I accept that T who have transitioned but the other letters fuck that shit..

Gay Rights ( meaning L and G and B) are at a dangerous crossroads. We are being told that we could be destroyed by the evil Fascists ready to send us to camps but the only fascists I am scared of are the Trans Rights ones.

LGBTQ+ have jumped the shark + from where I stand. They openly promote the idea of hormone blockers for children . I will say that again CHILDREN. These have the potential to sterilise children so they will never have kids. This whole thing is an experiment that will go disastrously wrong and which will be blamed on many people including LGBTQ+. I want none of it.

We have spent 50 years consciously separating ourselves from any Pedo elements and said Gay does not equal anything to do with children. Now we have drag story time and are pushing the idea that children should be given life altering drugs. Do you know how fucked up it is ?

I tell you what. WHEN there is a backlash and THERE WILL BE , because Gay,Lesbian and B makes up what 7% of the population at most, I want to be on the side of the majority Gay people saying this shit is wrong. It is almost criminal.

Gay people need to be vocal on pushing this extreme Socialistic agenda out the window. We need to be loud and Gay and say FUCK THIS SHIT!!!

[quote]These have the potential to sterilise children so they will never have kids.

That's right R171. The majority of children with gender dysphoria grow up to be gay adults, not trans adults. This has been consistently shown to be the case in every study done on the issue, such as this most recent one from this year.

Transing the gay away is just the newest form of conversion therapy for gay kids and this time it's coming from "progressives".

I do think it's hysterical that R147 used the "2+2=5" adage.

Because no matter what you think about trans, they are doing the exact same thing: Attempting to change something as immutable as simple math, sex, into something it can never be.

No, 2+2 can never equal five. Similarly, a man can never become a woman.

A man can become a transwoman. And that's awesome. But never a woman.

I think the issue mostly lies in the fact that a lot of gender critical people act like everyone who isn't anti trans wants to push it on children - whereas I think most people are moderate and don't want that at all.

Most people have a live and let live motto. If you're straight, gay, bi, transgender, etc then do what you like. And I think the majority of 'T' people just get on with their lives. The tiny minority who are very shouty aren't representative of the whole 'T', yet gender critical people disingenuously act like they are.

"Now it is all about thinking the same and anyone who has an idea outside Gay rules is a Transphobe, or a Fascist or Boris."

Lie.

R174 believes in giving puberty blockers and binders to children.

R161, R164, What even is this word salad garbage??

There are barely any trans that come to Datalounge let alone “TRAs”. Of course you anti-trans trolls have to make up some conspiracy “DL tranny bogeyman”, when it’s been gay men telling you repeatedly to fuck off our site because we’re sick to death of your obsessive anti-trans shit.

R177, giving kids puberty blockers is evil.

R147, The use of “2+2=5” was deliberate, and obviously went over your head since all you can chant is mantras, which is what 2+2=5 has become.

My comment was criticising homophobes Julie Bindel and Helen Joyce and somehow you managed to veer back into making it about trans. The problem with anti-trans obsessive is they only have one script.

Waiting for Muriel to come punch and delete this trash fire.

R174 that's exactly how I think!

I have no issue with any adult who wishes to transition. None. At all. I think it's wonderful if that makes them happy, whole and more at peace with who they feel they are.

I just know science tells me that a transwoman is not a woman. A transwoman is a transwoman. That's the only snag for me. It's so obvious. So accurate. So scientifically appropriate. And really solves the issue for those that are "trans critical" but not in any way anti trans.

Sure R181 but if you refer to a friend of yours that’s a woman are you discussing her in purely biological terms (chromosomes, genitalia at birth etc.) or are you talking about her in social, human terms? I’d say generally it’s the latter. Male / female refers to sex whereas woman / man generally refers to anthropology / human sociology. It’s why we don’t refer to animals as men or women rather than as male / female. Humans are more complex than their biological makeup.

Trans women are trans women sure, but that can be logically (and is done by sociology experts (remember experts?)) termed under the umbrella of ‘women’. Live and let live.

What is R182 babbling about? We have to defer to sociology experts to let us know who we are and how the common words in our language don't mean what we've used them to mean for centuries?

It's cute that R182 thinks the biological can be artificially and completely separated from the rest of one's self. People don't think that but trans ideologists have taken this fiction onboard and grown it into a full blown denial of biological reality.

[quote]woman / man generally refers to anthropology / human sociology.

Male and female are the scientific terms. Man and woman are the layman terms. Both refer to the same reality. People in real life talk about men and women. Anthropology/sociology have created themselves a good cottage industry of terms which they've pushed beyond the limits of comprehension.

[quote] It's cute that [R182] thinks the biological can be artificially and completely separated from the rest of one's self.

Didn’t say that, babe.

[quote] Male and female are the scientific terms. Man and woman are the layman terms.

Lol no actually. Read a book?

R171 there is an org called Gays against groomers. You might want to check it out.

Men are adult humans of the male sex, women are adult humans of the female sex. There is no such thing as a woman who is of the male sex. People with penises are men, people with vaginas are women.

R186 such an easy concept for everyone and something understood the world over, yet trans idealogy would have us believe it's not true.

But the sociology EXPERTS according to R182 said we must believe it's not true!

They are the EXPERTS!

LOL

R188 yea and you’re just some dickhead on the internet. What now?

Who are you gonna believe when you see a bare dick in the women's changing room, the SOCIOLOGY EXPERTS or your lying eyes?

R189 you've chosen to die on the hill that a person born with male sex organs isn't a man. Your choice, I suppose. Intelligent, reasonable people won't be supporting that.

Yeah, R182, I have no issue calling a transwoman a woman for short. No issue at all.

However, the issue, for me, arrives when a transwoman claims she's a woman and because of that "truth", she then feels it's her right to play bio woman's sports. Which, of course, is ALL about biology and just silly to insinuate otherwise.

Or, if she still has a penis, she wants to be in a woman's prison. Or, if she still has a penis, wants to be in woman's only spaces.

Those instances are all a big no for me. Not because I'm anti trans. But in those instances the difference in "sex" (male v female) outweighs the similarities in "gender" (women and transwomen). If the differences in sex have no bearing on the given situation? Then the more transwomen the merrier!

Trans rights activists call me a bigot because I feel that way. DL calls me right wing because I feel that way. Which, of course, I'm not.

It's just science to me. It's not even about feelings. Just science. So, if we continue to call transwomen "women", then they have to realize that their "womanhood" has a few unfortunate limitations. Simply because of fairness, common sense and the acceptance of reality.

Wish that wasn't the case. Wish everyone could get every whim they desire met. I mean, I'd also like to be rich, 21 again, and married to professional baseball player....

The difference between Gay Rights and Trans Rights is huge. With Gay Rights we asked for equal Rights. We didn’t ask the majority to change . We didn’t say we needed to language to change, for people to change around us. With Trans Rights they want language changed. They want people to say a man with a penis is every bit a woman as a woman who was born one. We all know that is false, but we are being pushed to say it isnt.

I have no issue with men or women who have had an operation to remove or add a penis. But we need to stop pretending this is the great majority of the people we are talking about.

We also need to stop with the children for our own sake and especially theirs. Children can have no concept of what the ramifications are in 20- 30 years. That girls who go through this may have menopause up to 20 to 30 years before normal women. That they will be sterile. That they will have to take drugs for the rest of their lives. But most importantly most of these Trans kids are Gay. That the feelings they have are normal and that they need to be left alone until they become adults. Once that occurs go your hardest.

R192 you seem reasonable. My issue with your way of thinking about it is….why is it such a big deal for a biological woman to be in the same changing room or bathroom as a penis….as long as there’s nothing sexual going on. Nudity isn’t inherently sexual, I’ve changed in co-Ed facilities in Europe and nobody lost control of their identity…..really what’s the big deal?

I’ve been at a spa facility (in the states) with a transman in the room and nobody batted an eyelid. This is one of those situations when people complaining are using their emotions (biased) over any rationale as to what is happening.

If the issue is that the trans person might be sexually attracted to women in their main life, then by logical extension you could argue that lesbians should be excluded from womens locker rooms and gay men from mens locker rooms. And we all know what gay men get up to in lockerroons ;)

The difference here r194 , and I agree it is different for Transmen in mens changing rooms, is that men can be aggressors. Women need safe spaces. There have been rapes in women’s prisons, especially Britain.

In an infamous case a woman was raped and when it went to a judge the woman was who had been raped was reprimanded by the judge for calling the woman who raped her a man with a penis .She was told that he was a woman. This is clearly a case where you have vulnerable people being exploited.

A woman has a right to go into a bathroom for women and know she is safe. Not to be followed in by a man claiming he is a woman.

This live and let live attitude can work in Men’s bathrooms but women’s need to be safe.

I agree, R194, that nudity doesn't have to be sexual at all. It often isn't. It usually isn't!

But there's a reason that me, a gay male, doesn't change in a women's locker room. Even though I certainly don't want to have sex anyone there and there would be nothing remotely "sexual" if I were to change in a woman's locker room.

The reason I don't is because the women in that changing room have no idea what my intentions are. They can't read my mind. The very fact I have a dick might make them uncomfortable. Even though I pose no threat. Women, sadly, are usually the prey, men the predators, when things go awry.

And because of that? I'd never in a million years change around women unless they knew me personally. Even though I'm a harmless gay man. It'd be an asshole move on my part. I'd be forcing women to hope and prayer I was a good guy. Why put them through that torture?

Like me and most men, the vast majority of transwomen (still with their male genitals) pose zero threats to women in a locker room. But the women don't know that! So a transwomen in a women's locker room forces women to hope and pray that the transwomen isn't there to harm them. It's wildly unfair to make women go through that in a place designated as a safe space usually.

Oh, your example of not caring about transman in your locker room midst totally proves my point: Of course you don't care he's there! A transman can do nothing to harm you. His presence poses zero threat to you. Because he's a bio female, he's going to be smaller, weaker, and not have a dick. Who the hell cares if he's there? It might be a little strange, but he can't do anything to hurt you. Hell, the other men in the locker room surely pose a bigger threat to him! Again, the differences is sex is REAL! We all know this is true. A "bad" transman can never physically harm a bio man. A "bad" transwoman" can harm a bio woman. Because men are bigger, stronger, etc. Duh.

For the locker room debate, it's really just about safety. Even if it's more the idea of safety than anything else.

Again, in a perfect world? We'd all know which transwomen were predators and which were wonderful. Just like, in a perfect world, we'd all know which bio men were predators and which weren't. But we don't. So we have to protect the most vulnerable. Common sense.

(I also think we need to make sure transwomen have a safe place to change, too, btw.)

[quote] There have been rapes in women’s prisons, especially Britain.

R195 if you’re concerned about rape in womens prisons (and your concern has only now arisen with the advent of trans prisoners) then I can’t help but think that your supposed empathy is only in order to justify your anti trans feelings, and extremely flimsy and patronizing. Women have been suffering from rape and sexual assault from prison guards for decades and nobody gave a flying fuck. But all of a sudden everyone cares about women in prisons. It’s so cynical and gross.

Womens prisons were never safe for women, you can look at the patterns of abuse in womens relationships that often results in them being in prison, or poverty that women are kept it. Most women in prisons are non violent offenders, yet the only item that people like you ever seem to focus on is the (extremely rare and limited) threat from trans women. Methinks you’re not as concerned as you’d like to believe.

[quote] I'd never in a million years change around women unless they knew me personally.

R195 What about in a co-ed changing room? It’s normal there, what’s the difference? What about on a nudist beach, everyone’s generally very chill. What’s the big difference?

[quote] Why put them through that torture?

Girl chill out quit the dramatics.

I’m sorry the rest of your comment seems to really ramble but you seem to be set upon the idea of emotions = facts, which they don’t.

Sorry above comment was to R196 I mixed up the numbers.

[quote] A woman has a right to go into a bathroom for women and know she is safe. Not to be followed in by a man claiming he is a woman.

What about a mixed gender bathroom? I’ve been in multi occupant mixed gender bathrooms and none of the women in there seemed either 1) terrified or 2) traumatized. The existence of these spaces really messes with your thesis.

Last question I would pose to you both R195 and R196 is…..should gay men be kept out of lockerrooms where under 18 boys change? Because using your logic (physical strength and sexual desires) that could be proposed. To make it clear to any smooth brains that’s not what I’m endorsing, just following thru their own logic to a proposal that would affect them.

I've never been in a mixed gender bathroom...where did you do that R200? That would infuriate me. A single stall mixed bathroom is different, there is still privacy.

R197 what a bunch of suppositions. Male prison guards in female prisons do upset a lot of people for the very reasons mentioned about trans women.

R202 and yet there’s never a mention about it here…..hrmmm i wonder why that could be? Why would ppl on here only complain about trans prisoners and not the abusive guards? What could explain it?!?!?

Because male prison guards don't expect people to deny biological reality R203.

R204 lol whoosh

Brilliant response R205. The lol is worthy of the most annoying frau.

R198, "chill out with dramatics"? That's all you got? I'm "emotional"? Haha.

That's not a response to my points. It's your attempt to derail my points with ad hominem attacks.

For the record, no dramatics or emotionality here. Just using common sense.

To answer your questions clearly and concisely: Nude beaches and co-ed locker rooms, by definition, aren't women only spaces. Women who choose to enter either do so knowing men, transwomen, and transmen could be present.

A women's locker room is, by definition, a women's space.

So, now that you've evaded my questions with more questions (which I've answered) and insults (which are cute), care to respond to this (simple yes or no will suffice) question?:

Is it okay for a women's locker room to be a women's only space?

Of course it's not okay R207! That's bigotry!!

R200 Your what aboutism makes no sense.

I have never been in a mixed gender changing room, but if I did I would be choosing to go in one. As well as a nudist beach ,the very nature of these allows you to make a choice.

You go to a bathroom for women and you see a man with a dick. , that is not a choice. That is something you have to deal with.

The idea that because I am on a thread about Trans talking about Trans rape in prisons , how the fuck does mean I don’t care about rape in prisons other than Trans? Based on what ? Your own thoughts on who I am ? Give me a break. I have been raped so I don’t need a lecture on who gets raped.

Like many of your points I am making an assumption you are a man. Your whole live and let live and no big deal and no one cares etc. If no one cared there wouldn’t be a fucking argument about it.

Guess what , as a man I can walk out at the middle of the night and not give a flying fuck I am in danger. I can walk into a park after dark and be aware of my surroundings but still not really give a shit. I can sit close to someone and not think they are going to pester me . I can do all of these things because I am a man. But if I was a woman? By myself? Really ?

Could somebody please tell me what the trans in transwoman indicates?

Feelings, R210.

They feel like a woman, ergo they are. (So they say).

R196 I just wanted to say it was great to read an eloquent post that calmly explains your point.

This sort of thing is much more convincing than those who share your view but, instead of making reasoned points like you, just say things like "fuck off misogynist, go dilate!"

If only we could see more calm and reasoned debate (on both sides).

I agree, R212. We're going to HAVE to be more calm and reasoned going forward, I think.

I strongly believe that if gay men and lesbians are worried about the state of our movement, then we have to start moving forward in a strong and positive fashion. It has to be about reiterating our positions and not getting caught up in "anti" behaviour or the same old arguments. Some of the "LGB only" groups seem to think of nothing BUT trans issues sometimes, it seems to me.

I think some people would be better off just kindly saying: "We don't feel it is appropriate for us to talk about issues outside of ourselves, that is, the matter of same-sex attraction. We feel it might be offensive to trans people to talk on their behalf, and so our group will be concentrating only on matters of sexual orientation. We support those concentrating on gender identity to be in charge of their own organisations and support them using their own voices." If you see what I mean? If this is what you believe, then make it a positive thing, and don't respond to irrational accusations by getting in the dirt, but just keep reiterating your only intention is to focus on issues relating to sexual orientation.

Some people/groups will prefer an umbrella approach, others will wish to be more exclusive, but there's room for both and if we don't get angry and just stay steadfast, maybe that will result in a more positive outcome?

I'm probably not explaining myself very well here. I just can't see how the anger and aggressiveness will ever get anyone what they are after. And I would normally hate reducing everything to "both sides", but in this case, I think that there really are problems on both sides.

[quote]This sort of thing is much more convincing than those who share your view but, instead of making reasoned points like you, just say things like "fuck off misogynist, go dilate!"

The problem is that both approaches get the exact same response as evidenced by the TRA's response to the well-reasoned post above. So, many of us who had started out calmly reasoning that very real biology matters and that women cannot simply be erased to please a group of men who now think they are women are just done at this point. You cannot reason with zealots and the TRA movement is now a movement of anti-science, anti-reality, misogynistic and homophobic zealots.

R214 So if you can’t beat them, join them?

R215, have you actually ever tried explaining to TRAs or even to some lesbians and gays (the "LGB with the T" crowd) that you have no issue with trans people but same-sex attraction is something different and very specific so there should also be organisations and spaces for homosexual men and women who wish to focus on sexuality or simply meet other lesbians/gay men?

You can't reason with trans idealogy. No matter how many logical, scientific, calm and reasonable points are made, they deny deny deny yet get government backing. It's like living on another planet at this point. And all the "devil's advocates" do is stick their fingers in their ears and pretend it's not that bad.

I think the best approach is to completely ignore trans individuals. Pretend they don't exist and dismiss the concept of trans in an aloof and dismissive way, as much as they dismiss the biological concept of male and female.

If trans people just wanted to be accepted they would demand to trample the rights of others.

a trans person will not use a gender neutral bathroom or changing room because this does not provide the validation they crave. It’s all mental delusion and the trans wasn’t to force you to play along.

This whole Trans debate almost has nothing to do with real Trans people. It has EVERYTHING to do with pushing through a dangerous pernicious agenda that denies biological reality and throws out years of Gay Rights.

Frankly I think part of this comes down to our lives on computers , where you can be anything you want and can blur the lines of who you are. That is why I think there is this general feeling of “ oh leave them alone , there is no harm done” The reality of drugs for life , health problems, sterilisation and regret, seems like far off issues.

This whole gender non conforming, gender fluid, queer etc is just a whole lot of teenagers and 20 somethings who are most likely Gay but don’t want to be define themselves that way.

We are the ones who suffer though, because Gay rights are now being mixed up in all these other issues that have nothing to do with Gay Rights.

WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

R212, thanks.

I try to always be calm and reasonable and not resort to name calling. I truly want to hear all sides and react as fairly as possible, using science as my north star whenever possible.

R220 I think the Big Brother side is the right wing. Trying to erase trans, gay people, abortion etc. Their utopia is white, straight middle class people and the nuclear family.

It always amuses me when people (who probably haven't even read Nineteen Eighty-Four) act like Orwell was talking about the left wing being Big Brother.

Orwell was talking about totalitarianism, r222, whether it be from the left or the right. The trans movement is modern-day totalitarianism.

R222 you really didn't pay attention in your high school literature class did you?

Lol. So the trans movement has currently installed telescreens in everyone's houses to watch them 24/7. If anyone says anything anti trans, the Thought Police cart them off to the Ministry of Love and torture them until they accept trans people.

Or none of that actually happens and people are free to criticise trans people, hence this thread exists.

Get back to me when all anti trans threads are removed and their existence denied.

Hopefully the above proves I've read the book, something which I doubt R223 and R224 have done.

In England police were sent to a man's workplace because of a "transphobic" tweet, and they recorded it as a non-crime "hate incident". An Orwellian future doesn't happen overnight but that's a good start.

R225 your passive aggressive lols might work amongst your frau cunt social circle but at DL we have no patience for your types

R226 What did he actually say, though? Wouldn't surprise me if it was along threatening lines. Yet that gets left out and replaced with: "he was just giving his opinion!"

The Inner Party was all about editing events.

Also, I'm not a frau.

Ah yes, the old "along threatening lines". Not actually threatening, because then it would be, you know, a crime. But close enough to threatening that it's crime adjacent....poor trans, having to suffer so.

So no clarification, then.

Look it up yourself you lazy frau. He won legal action against it.

People fear the echo chamber. How else to explain the Divine Miss M?

[quote] People with uteri need all of you to get out & vote. And people with uteri should vote too! Because you shouldn't have to have be one of #HerschelWalkergirlfriends to get access to reproductive health care.

[quote]”LGB only" groups seem to think of nothing BUT trans issues sometimes, it seems to me.

R213, because they were never about helping gay men and women, their orgs are dedicated to attacking trans using LGB as the shield to do so. LGB Alliance has said the most blatant homophobic garbage since its inception and it’s co-founders Malcolm Clark and Allison Bailey come off as major creeps.

Then you have the transparency of R185, trying to promote the grifters behind “Gays against Groomers”, who have nothing to do with gay people, and was only set up to attack T as well as LGB people.

It’s not even really a case of “both sides” when one side is actively dismantling gay rights and that’s what the right and TERFs are doing.

Exactly what have these gay supporters of the so-called gender critical/ TERF movement actually done for gay rights? Beyond whining about “woke homophobia” on Twitter while simultaneously retweeting support for every right wing/TERF homophobe really doesn’t persuade anyone to join your side nor take you seriously.

R232 Yep, the LGB Alliance tweeted that it wasn't homophobic to be anti same sex marriage! And that's from an organisation that's meant to be in favour of gay rights.

The mask slipped back then, but many still can't see it.

R233 wants us to believe that sterilising and mutilating the bodies and genitalia of children and youth who would otherwise grow up gay is "gay rights".

I am sick of being gaslit by people whose agenda is the only people who hate Gays are Right Wing fascists. Honey they all hate us.Try being a Gay in 1960s Soviet Union.

The reason there are so many WTF !! why is everything about Trans threads? is because we know we are being used. This is all being done in our name as though we have no issues with it. We do !! But we are being told nothing to see here. That we are imagining it all. WE ARE NOT!!

Children are being given life altering drugs and surgery to make them the opposite sex when in 9 times out of 10 they would be Gay kids.

Before all this bullshit occurred, most Trans people would be men who would transition. Now it is affecting girls by 100 s percent more than was ever the case. Worse the amount of girls who are at school and are in the same group. What are the chances of that? These the same girls who 20 years ago would. be self harming and 10 years before that were anorexic.

This is not right. Being done in our name is not right. Gaslighting is is not right. Meddling with children is not right. The whole thing is bullshit.

Once your an adult go your hardest. But leave the kids alone.

R236, I’m sick of being gaslit by manipulative assholes like TERFs and Gender Criticals feigning concern for “woke homophobia” when they openly align themselves with said right wing fascist.

Gay supporters of TERF/GC movement really need a wake-up call, former GC lesbians called this shit out years ago.

Many lesbians who were a part of the original GC movement have since left, and now it’s mainly just homophobic straight women and right wing creeps and predators. I don’t see as many gay men supporting the TERF/GC movement as before either, besides a few handful, mostly older gay men, there doesn’t appear to be much interest.

R238, I'm a lesbian and anyone who believes that lesbians have penises or that we're interested in penises can go jump off a bridge.

exactly R239! 237 and 238 are the same guy who keeps pretending he's different people. Lesbians don't have dicks. men can't have babies. period.

R239, R240, You’re not a lesbian, Linehan. They’ve made it clear that they don’t like you, even your wife doesn’t like you.

Lesbians don't give a shit about your dick r241, but thanks for displaying your homophobia for all to see.

Lesbians don't have penises, nor are we attracted to people with penises (i.e. men).

"Cancel culture" is to some degree a made up, manufactured term.

Most of the people who claim to have been "cancelled" are doing business in a corporate world in our cesspool of extreme capitalism. In this cesspool, companies will chase whichever way the wind is blowing, and do whatever they think will make them the most money OR cost them the least.

This is not new. See also: the backlash over Sinead O'Connor's tearing up the pope's photo. She lost bookings, appearances and the like (though her music was still recorded and released).

It would probably be accurate to say that in the case of trans issues, a vocal minority is more organized and more loudly objecting to people they perceive as "anti trans." Which in some cases is a valid observation, and in other cases is a wild exaggeration.

But "cancel culture" is one of the new Republican buzz words where any attempt to hold someone accountable for the things they say or said in the past is given a nefarious new buzz phrase so that the mass of halfwit MAGA sheep will not spend a second thinking about what's being said - they'll just have that knee jerk reaction and hate it on sight.

Dumbest political buzzword phrase of the decade: "gender-affirming care for transkids".

R241 time to dilate the coloncunt dearie!

R243 It must be nice in some ways to have all your thinking done for you. Everything binary. Good evil , wonderful and progressive Democrats and evil fascist MAGA Nazis. I don’t actually mean that in a bad way either. Thinking outside the box can be difficult and exhausting.

The fact that many people on a Gay site have issues with the Trans agenda suggests there is an issue. To me this does not mean they are part of a fascist plot to take over the world. To me , it means there are concerns that potentially Gay kids are being transitioned to the opposite sex. To me the obvious misogyny behind so much of the Trans agenda is a real concern. That is all. We are being gaslit by people who say there is nothing to see here, when the reality of the situation is there for all to see.

[quote]. Now it is affecting girls by 100 s percent more than was ever the case. Worse the amount of girls who are at school and are in the same group. What are the chances of that? These the same girls who 20 years ago would. be self harming and 10 years before that were anorexic.

This is very true.

[quote]The fact that many people on a Gay site have issues with the Trans agenda suggests there is an issue. To me this does not mean they are part of a fascist plot to take over the world. To me , it means there are concerns that potentially Gay kids are being transitioned to the opposite sex. To me the obvious misogyny behind so much of the Trans agenda is a real concern. That is all. We are being gaslit by people who say there is nothing to see here, when the reality of the situation is there for all to see.

I've come around to the idea that there are legitimate concerns for some people. Sometimes it's hatred, but I think that's always easy to spot. But we need to be able to discuss the issues that concern us too. The problem is, when bringing up a concern is immediately shouted down as being bigotry, then people's hackles get raised and everyone gets angry and pushed into more polarised corners, if you get me.

I have no problem, personally, on here when obvious hatred of trans people comments or threads get deleted, some of those can be just pure nastiness and don't contribute anything - but to me there is a difference between those and ones like the Jaclyn Moore "girl fag" thread which also got deleted, but was actually raising some interesting and I would say important issues to gay men about someone who is not gay claiming the word "fag" for themselves. I think we should be able to have these discussions among ourselves. It's awful if everything gets so shut down that it builds resentment against trans people, you know?

It's like how the mention of Marsha P. Johnson gets people so angry nowadays, but it's because he has been pushed by other people as the be all and end all of gay rights. It's not his fault and yet you can see people getting so resentful about him for something he never said he was or did.

It's very simple and has nothing to do with being right wing, hate or anger. Humans can't change sex. A male person doesn't become a woman simply by proclaiming it. Chopping her tits off and injecting testosterone doesn't turn a female into a man.

For us gays and lesbians biological sex is very important because we are attracted to our own sex, not our own "gender identity", whatever that is. The trans theory is telling us that biological sex doesn't matter and gays are transphobes for not being open to relationships and sex with the opposite sex. Young gays and lesbians are being told that if they look a certain way or if they desire their own sex then they must really be trans, because, e.g. if you have short hair, are "masculine" and are attracted to women, then you are a man, even if you are female.

The mental rot of Graham Linehan, R245, and the rest of the trans obsessed is summed up nicely in this comment. Their fixation with penetrating trans genitals is all they ever think about, and what a coincidence that it just came out recently Graham Linehan has been a T chaser all a long… well, quelle fucking surprise!!

Explains why he’s so deeply invested in all of this.

R249, kinda undermine your point when you’re willingly aligning yourselves with every right wing/ conservative homophobe and misogynist under the sun, and only because they are anti-trans.

And this is exactly why gay and lesbians supporters of TERF/GC movement are a joke.

Since you consider yourself the only respectable liberal, who should someone align themselves with if they fundamentally disagree with the anti science, homophobic, sexist, and illogical trans movement?

For R251 ^^

I saw a ‘GC’ gay man praising predator, perpetual victim and homophobe Brucelyn Jenner the other day, I mean just how deluded do you have to be to believe Jenner is “brave”? Is the bar really that low that these are the kind of people you’re desperate to appeal to?

R247, And this kind of garbage… of course now they’re claiming the creepy incel straights girls who latched onto the gay/LGBT community then decided to detranstion and now are blaming said gay and trans community for their problems instead of taking any responsibility for their own actions are the “victims” in all of this. The weird claim that trans and gays have it so better in society and being a straight girl is just so “boring” and “uncool” that they have to transition is the dumbest GC take I’ve heard yet, and of course it’s rooted in old school homophobia.

R252, I’m not going to align myself with a bunch of homophobes, pedophiles, creeps, groomers and racists like Matt Walsh, Kellie Jay Keen, James Essess, Andy Ngo… and the rest of the right wing trash just to “own the trans”.

If those are the kind of “people” that are acceptable to you because “I’m just agreeing with them on this one issue” then that says a lot about you… maybe you should just take the mask off.

I should add, it was the same ‘GC’ gay man supporting this view from a homophobic detransitioner (straight girl) who claims straight people are the real victims of transition, so it’s not “pray the gay away”anymore, now it’s “trans the straight away”…. Christ! All I can do is laugh because it’s pitifully stupid to believe this.

Looks like the trans loon is back and off his hormones!

What a weird accusation against Graham Linehan at R250. Where and how did *that* come out?

R255 you didn't answer the question... I am challenging the main crux of your argument that one cannot agree with a person if they are "right wing"

So again: Who should someone align themselves with if they fundamentally disagree with the anti science, homophobic, sexist and illogical trans movement?

Fiennes has savage BO. It's well known.

R255 you're a miserable fascist. You expect gays and women to sit down and shut up and only associate with people YOU find acceptable because they happen to agree that the trans movement is harmful to women and gays.

Your Twitter comrades may find you interesting but you have no power here. Or in real life, I suspect.

R255 Good for you. You can be sanctimonious and look down on the rest of us by knowing how pure you are by no contaminating your Leftist credentials.

Me, I don’t give a flying fuck. You can call me anything you like, water off a duck’ s back. People , like you have been yelling fascist, bigot and homophobe for years now. Anyone you don’t like you label them the same. No one can be just Right they have to be EXTREME. They are literal Nazis. You have been yelling wolf for so long the words have lost their meaning.

I am against children being operated on . I am against Gay kids being made the opposite sex. I am against the toxic environment that people like you have foisted upon all of us. If that makes me beyond the Pale, then I will suck it up sunshine and walk happily into the sunset.

[quote] So again: Who should someone align themselves with if they fundamentally disagree with the anti science, homophobic, sexist and illogical trans movement?

You should accept the fact that some women have penises, some men have vaginas, "non-binary" is a totally real thing and not made-up, narcissistic attention-seeking bullshit, and that people who use pronouns such as "bug" and "bugself" are 100% completely normal and not insane.

You should be in favor of said women with said penises having total access to female-only spaces and activities, regardless of whether or not they make any effort whatsoever to actually look like women. It doesn't matter if "she" has a bald spot, a full beard, a hairy back and ass, and an 8-inch erect schlong. She is a woman, and any cis scum woman who has a problem with it is a transphobic piece of shit

You should understand that any negative consequences resulting from aforementioned access aren't real, and just fake TERF propaganda.

And if you are a gay man, you must be willing to chow down on a trans man's pussy, because your "genital preferences" are problematic and transphobic, and you need to be re-educated.

Ditto for lesbians and girldick.

Failure to comply aligns you with Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Marcia Blackburn, and Adolf Hitler.

Ah yes "cis" woman/man R264. A term used to marginalize normal people.

Pretty sure R255 is a right winger hiding behind a liberal online identity. Only a conservative like R255 would support the trans movement, which doesn't allow gays to be gay or women to keep their rights...kind of clever if you think about it.

The Transtapo are the biggest misogynists and homophobes out there. They are the ones aligned with the ideals of the right wing. They want everyone defined by the gender assigned crap from the 1950s. It's always the Beta males who trans. They couldn't make it as men so they'll trample all over women instead. Notice even Queen Brucilla didn't trans himself until he was no longer an alpha male. They hate real women and want to destroy them from the inside.

[quote] Pretty sure [R255] is a right winger [bold]hiding behind a liberal online identity. Only a conservative[/bold] like [R255] would support the trans movement, which doesn't allow gays to be gay or women to keep their rights...kind of clever if you think about it.

r265 Huh? Hiding? Online? Real life liberal / gay(lgbt)+allies places are filled with that sick type (anti-exclusively same-sex spaces/rights; hence, anti-gay and anti-women). I have always voted left and yes conservatives are shit but continuing to keep the wilfully blind belief that those pushing/supporting this sick tranny-/gender- cult ideology are not "liberals" is digging your own grave. To solve the problem one needs to see the facts clearly.

Isn't this thread supposed to be about RALPH FIENNES? Who gives a fuck about JK Rowling?

He was so beautiful as a younger man.

The thread is about Ralph Fiennes supporting JK Rowling for standing up for reality. Opposing the trans cult therefore means aligning with Ralph Fiennes.

To answer your question r268, Ralph Fiennes very much gives a fuck about JK Rowling.

Well I don't give a fuck about JK Rowling (too much plastic surgery) and this is my post.

It's about Ralph Fiennes. Gorgeous even as a Nazi and that's difficult to pull off for anybody.

Nazi uniforms are sharp and stylish. It's very easy to look good as a Nazi.

Nah. Liam Neeson looked good as a Nazi (in a terrible film) and there's Ralph Fiennes. There have been an assortment of decent looking Aryan-whatevers in smallish roles but truly beautiful Nazis? Not that many or maybe I just don't see them that way.

Mostly it's more like Colonel Klink and Sergeant Schultz. And this guy -

R271 She does have a botched face now it’s true. I’ll never understand why some people can’t just grow old gracefully.

R271, absolutely. At that age, in Schindler and in Quiz Show, he was absolutely beautiful. His skin was radiant like a child's, and the sharpness of his coloring was arresting. What a picture he made!

Also his voice. I remember reading at the time that when he was in acting school (when Alex Kingston was his partner), the students nicknamed him The Voice Beautiful. Hopefully it was meant a little snarkily.

R260, I don’t need to “align” myself with anyone and the “enemy of my enemy” is NOT my friend. I will choose trans people over morons like R266, and R262 any day of the week.

And the fact that a troll like you R262, thinks DL is a place to gain “power” is hilarious. I’ve been here for years and you obviously haven’t, keep spamming the WW button for the alleged power you think you have.

Twitter, Mumsnet and Kiwifarms are the go to “safe space” for TERFs/ right wingers and gender critic trolls. They can’t manipulate DLers because we can see passed their bullshit.

^and the continuous use of buzzwords are so tedious, “transtapo” “trans cult” “troon”….”dilate your hole”…. get a new mantra already.

R265, I’m a right winger because I refuse to join the side of right wing pedos and extremist???… When did your brain fall out of your ass?

R263, R264, Gays aren’t being “transed” anymore, didn’t you know according to the latest terf doctrine it’s actually straights that are the victims of “trans cult” now? And won’t someone please think of the poor “normal”, R265, this dear unfortunate snowflake is being oppressed and marginalized by a word. Can you all stop being so sanctimonious and think about his feelings for a moment?

I’m really not interested in reading anymore of your hyperbolic rantings and imaginary victimhood. Get a job, and get a life.

My position on the trans issue isn't about aligning with anyone, it's about understanding reality as a woman and a lesbian. Lesbians don't have penises nor are we attracted to people with penises, and nor are we "trans" simply because we're butch.

Miss R280 has STATED her boundaries

R279 I suspect it's one or two people using a lot of sock puppet accounts because the language is the same across all of them. They get mad that most people don't seem to hate trans like they do, hence the OTT attacks and name calling.

We don't hate trans-identified people, r283. We just don't believe that humans can change sex.

R280 the idea that on this insignificant Gay site , look at stats on google , that there are these endless Right Wing Fascists is frankly deluded. There are Gay people who have real concerns. Deciding that this can’t possibly be true because then you would be aligned with, in your mind, actual Fascists ( anyone who disagrees with your point of view) is because you refuse to believe you can hold two totally different views simultaneously. That reflects more on you than it does us.

R283 most people hate trans--the modern ones. If you think DL is frightening you should talk to people behind closed doors.

Let me fix that for you, R286, it's so hard to keep your bigotry in line with the times. It helps to see it clearly when you take a quick stroll down memory lane...

[/bold] Most people hate blacks/jews/gays/lesbians--the modern ones. If you think DL is frightening you should talk to people behind closed doors. [/bold]

Sing with me, hunny bunny - "I am R286 and I am a bigoted hate-filled fucking fascist in any era, I'm just too pig-headed to see it and admit to it!"

Shouldn't you be furiously ff'ing every thread that mentions trans people R287? Should be easy, there's only two people here that don't like them. If you have to keep shit from people, maybe you're not right.

R287 I thought you said you weren't going to read anymore posts in here. Your ad hominem attacks only further prove that the trans movement has no real intelligence behind it. You have not once addressed the basic science of immutable sex. Simply because you know you can't refute it. And that makes you angry doesn't it? Sane and intelligent people just won't humor your delusions and it's infuriating to you.

I never said I wasn't going to read any posts here. What the fuck are you talking about? Wait.. don't tell me, I don't care. I'll read whatever I want, whenever I want.

I am not required to address any of your ranting and raving - not now and not ever. This is the DL where I belong and you don't. You're just mad because you're losing out there in the big scary world where people can do and say and be what they want to be. They make their choices and the only people who agree with you miserable, hate-filled cunts are right-wing-extremist, democracy-hating, fascist, racist, homophobic fucktards. That's how you can tell exactly who you are. You're in the right place right along with them. Have fun with Ron DeathSantis - he'll kill women and destroy gay marriate but he'll protect toilets!

Sucks to be you, hunny bunny. Toodles!

You do that R290, you're clearly not a hysterical illogical freak at all and surely a huge success in life. Kisses!

R290 exemplies the transtapo members perfectly. Excellent job R290. You're doing wonders for the intelligent, science-based, reality-based, non-misogynistic, non-homophobic side.

Tom Felton didn’t exactly defend her, but vehemently defended the idea of separating the art form the artist.

the religious people pretending they care about women and children, they won't think twice before executing their own child if they knew that child is gay. The religious people are single handedly the biggest hypocrites. The homophobic straight people are all bisexuals, they think just like they are choosing to ignore their same-sex desires, gays can too

the people who fuck the transgenders, who had not had their bottom surgeries are called the pansexuals

the liberals who are not calling out the islamic bullshits are all fake liberals. They are fetishising these middle age hillbillies bcoz they hv daddy issues