Gen Z is so fucking stupid

It's, like... verbal text speak.

Soon all written communication will be in the form of a string of emojis. Society is digressing back to communicating via hieroglyphics.

People have been complaining about the "like" tic since Gen X was young.

And yet here you are, on your phone while at a restaurant. Look in the mirror, OP. You are part of the problem.

Astute observation OP.

Nan, please!

where's that olivia laing quote abt like. being embarrassed abt the thinness of ur life the way ur embarrassed by a threadbare piece of clothing. bc like yeah

I just heard on a news program about grade inflation and how the colleges and universities will now (it apparently started in the last 10 yrs or so), decide to give out A and B grades to most of the students to make it appear that the parents are getting their money´s worth and that the university is producing success. They will even fire professors that include academically rigorous work in courses. The students will bitterly complain if they have a bad grade that the professors should be fired, rather than learning the material.

When I first heard talk about this, I didn’t believe it, and thought it was some get off my lawn kind of situation with older people complaining, but I found out that it really does happen. Apologies for bad formatting my keyboard needs repair and the repair store isn’t open now.

I notice that a lot of them seem to have a thing for the worst fashions from the 90s and 00s. The girls seem love to dress like Debbie Gibson fans ca. 1990.

None of them seem to have a problem with the likes of El0n and other megalomaniac techbros with too much money. They either praise them, feel envious, or show antipathy.

Call Gen Y what you will (and you will), but there’s a big contingent of us who feel the need to keel criticising and damning and pushing back on such people.

[quote]I just heard on a news program about grade inflation and how the colleges and universities will now (it apparently started in the last 10 yrs or so)

What news program told you this?

Boomers were complaining about "trophies for everybody" culture back in the 1980s. I remember everyone got ribbons in my 5th grade sports competition at the end of the year in 1983, and some parents having a fit about it. By the time I graduated in 1990 there were a ton of parents who demanded their GenX kids get awards all the time for no reason. It's always struck me as odd because Boomers both complained about it AND demanded it for their own kids.

The term "helicopter parent" was in use by 1989. I looked it up because I thought I remembered hearing it in the early 1990s, and I guess I did.

I'm not saying Millennials' parents weren't worse about it, but the "coddling" of young people that DLers complain about day in and day out started with GenX, not Millennials. I'd say there are probably a lot of us GenXers on here who remember getting hit by teachers in the 1970s, then handed certificates and ribbons for every little thing by the late 1980s.

The Gen Zs I’ve met haven’t been so much stupid as sniffy and sanctimonious, in a different way than the Gen Y hipsters who were on the wry and insular and superficial side. A Gen Z will nasally lecture you about what to think and say, while you just stand there dumbfounded, wondering when debate skills became all but forgotten.

Remember the song Valley Girl? Yeah, Gen Xers were just as bad. We were.

I'm a GenXer, and part of my job is writing long synopsis for episodes of a television show.

We've been slammed lately, so they brought in some time help, a 26 year old girl. She's been great, honestly. But, a couple of weeks ago, I decided to ask her to type of one of these synopsis for me. I mentioned this to another co-worker. He said "She's under 30, right? She's not going to be able to write." I said "Huh?" He said "Yeah, about 5 years ago, I began to notice that when I gave a writing assignment to someone under 25, they were unable to do it adequately."

I doubted him, as she'd been great with the other tasks I'd given her. But, sure enough, what she handed in to me was barely coherent. I could tell she knew it, too. I felt a little badly. I just did it myself and never said another word about it.

R15 - im curious why didnt you sit down with her and write it together? Could be a great opportunity for her to learn from an expert and gain a mentor.

About 10 years ago when I was a college teacher the other profs were complaining about the school lowering the average GPA needed to get in (from B+ to C) to boost enrollment and how stupid the new crop of kids were. On the plus side though, if the average GPA of our classes was too high and we gave everyone straight A's we would be called in and questioned about it.

All these Trump voting old people and you wanna call gen z the dummies?

R16 That's an excellent point. It's really just a time crunch issue.

I'd given her a few samples of how they should go. But, if we'd had more time, that would've been an excellent step.

Nope. You can't tar an entire generation with one brush. I'm a teacher, and I can assure you that our best and brightest are as good as they ever were. The problem is that the middle group has fallen apart. Back in the olden days, in a class of thirty you would have three or four stars, three or four failures, and the rest of the group occupied the middle ground. Today, your top students are still there and doing great -but the bottom group is fifteen or twenty, leaving only a few students in the middle.

Why has the middle collapsed? It's mostly extremely bad parenting -coddling and never allowing the little darlings to suffer consequences for anything. You can no longer take points off for work handed in late, so kids hand it in the day before report cards (if at all). Parents insist that Susie and Johnnie MUST be allowed to retake every test as many times as needed until they get the desired score. Most kids have no business going to college. They shouldn't need to. But with grade inflation we also have degree inflation. What once was a job for a high school graduate now requires a BA. Same job, just harder to get.

[quote]I felt a little badly.

Did you really write it yourself, R15? Were you groping this young woman? Do you also "feel goodly"?

[quote] They ruin any environmental they enter.

So fucking stupid indeed!

r15 "I felt a little badly."

Oh, dear. Especially in a lengthy comment about how the young people don't know how to write.

It's all so tragic.

Iconic.

R20 yes, I do write them myself, so you can imagine how bad her attempt was!

R22 Yes, forgive my hypercorrection there. I'm actually pretty good, for the purposes of the show. But, obviously I'm fallible.

That's a pretty big mistake, R25. It should have set off automatic alarm bells in your head if you're a writer.

R26 Not a big mistake. A common mistake. I think people misunderstood me. I didn't mean to denigrate this person. She was a good worker, and she could well have a superior IQ for all I know.

I never said I was a great writer. I'm able to organize my thoughts, and write them down in a cohesive, understandable way. I think having grown up on iPads, and maybe a deficiency in schools has caused this generation to be less than adept at writing.

I am texting with one 21 yo on app. He is very intelligent, but he takes jokes literally. And he has the tendency to ghost you for days if he is not in the mood and then come back and start sexting like nothing happened. I am still hesitant to meet up, though I have a bit of crush, cause he is such a little bitch.

R2. I'm fairly certain hieroglyphics were actually quite a complex system of communication with incredible variety. They weren't simplistic at all.

Logographic writing systems are fascinating and difficult. Just look at Chinese.

True story, I was sitting on a train next to a bunch of genZ girls, who were taking a quizz in some stupid genZ girl mag, and I was hearing things like " W-H-A-T ? Lawrence of Arabia was a MAN ???"? and then 2 of them went to the bar, which was located behind our wagon, and they said things like " I hate to walk like , backwards on a train, it feels like, we're going to arrive later". I swear to God this is true.

R16 writing copy can be very specific. I have been writing copy (in my first language) for a couple of years and I was doing okay. However, at a work I applied to, they wanted me to write SEO heavy blurbs for website listings. I was given lists, à la "3 times word A, 2 times word B,..." Supeficially, it was a lot easier than the job I had done before - writing about fairly complex technical topics for magazines. However, I found the latter almost impossible to do. (After two days, it became clear that this second job wasn't for me.) Writing blurbs about a tv show is also a very specific little subgenre. If someone can't hit the very specific tone - at least not yet - it doesn't mean that he or she is a bad writer.

I was running a training session last week and instructed the participants to "click on the rectangle". One girl, 25, university educated with English as her first language, asked me to explain what that was.

Like.....wow..like😂😂😂😂 I cou!dnt stop laughing at the title. This is great weed.

They won't get off my lawn either OP!!!

Omg

I've been reading and scoring college applications for a large public university for six years, and oh! The stories I wish I could tell!

At this point, I just tell people that if they're looking for a professional, make sure to pick someone over 50.

You can't make blanket statements about generations. My brother is Gen Z and he's fine, won't put down his fucking phone, but he's fine. My father is a boomer who, also, won't put down his fucking phone.

Every generation has its idiots but, also, the things that are important to one generation aren't always a priority for the next. That doesn't make them stupid.

Gorge!

Gen Z's pussy stinks!

Says the boomer trying to complete an EFTPOS transaction.

"Gen Z is so fucking stupid"

This coming (presumably) from the generation that is leading the charge on burning the world down.

I don't know about you guys but I like the world.

Such bullshit!

"Like...you know"

There's nothing new here. People of my generation(late Baby Boomers/Gen X) talked this way.

I see all generations staring at their phones instead of conversing over dinner.

And I witnessed two Gen Zs having a friendly conversation and catching up with each other when they arrived for my class yesterday morning.

OP, don't be everyone's Great Aunt Mary.

"This coming (presumably) from the generation that is leading the charge on burning the world down."

That particular fire has always been burning since the world's been turning.

R43. Anthropogenic climate change is far newer than the world. Pretty sure the current SC is also much younger than the world though the way some of them look you would be forgiven for imagining they crawled out of a crypt recently.

We imagine we do more than we do.

L O L..r u ok?...language is being reduced to textspeak and abbreviations. Full, complete sentences are a waste of valuable time...face in a device is preferrable than face to face.

Have you ever seen the handwriting of a Gen Zer? Apparently they stopped teaching handwriting in schools a while back and now these fools attempts at using a pen on paper looks like the work of a deranged 3 year old.

And cursive? Forgot about it.

I don't understand why someone thought this would be a good idea.

Their feet stink.

R19 interesting insight.

Would you also say that mental/psychological resilience and wellness plays a part? As a young Millennial, myself and a good number of my top-percentile peers have nonetheless ‘failed to launch’ because of that. For whatever reason, I do think that my age group and people younger have a fragility and hypersensitivity of mind lacking in our parents. Maybe it’s all the war & famine on TV we grew up watching, or something.

[quote] I was running a training session last week and instructed the participants to "click on the rectangle". One girl, 25, university educated with English as her first language, asked me to explain what that was.

A what?

R49, maybe it's all the coddling. You think the last decade or two was worse than two world wars, the Great Depression, Vietnam, all the assassinations in the 60s, the AIDS crisis, and on and on? What am I thinking, you don't even know what any of those things are. Maybe, along with the coddling, it's the lack of perspective brought about by your generation's sheer ignorance about anything that isn't happening to them in this very moment.

I teach university students, mostly freshmen and sophomores.

As someone up thread mentioned, you cannot paint all of Gen Z with the same broad brush.

Nearly every semester, I have a handful of students -- maybe three or four -- who can write better than many of my colleagues (who themselves are mainly Millennials). I always have students who read a lot, but many don't. This semester in particular, I've noticed a dreadful amount of comma splices in student writing. I think, perhaps, that the pandemic is taking its toll.

Gen Z is no better and no worse than their predecessors and only one afflicted with myopia would seriously make this claim.

Also, you cannot underestimate the impact of public education. I've taught in two states, one of which has among the best public schools in the US, the other, among the worst. The disparity of preparedness among college freshmen in these two states was breathtaking.

I think the decline in newspaper subscriptions has a lot to do with it. Pre-internet, nearly everyone used to get the paper because it was a key source of necessary information. Newspapers also exposed people to concise, well organized writing. Now no one reads anything.

Short hand writing requires short hand thinking and therefore the need for literal mindedness because no allowance is made for subtlety or nuance. Gen Z process information in blocks. One might call it "blockchain thinking".

R53 newspapers, especially broadsheets and tabloids, are also full of convenient lies pushed by corporate entities with no integrity. So there’s that.

I don't think you understood r53's point, r55 ...

R51 please pop a vike before your heart explodes. You sound triggered.

[quote] You think the last decade or two was worse than two world wars, the Great Depression, Vietnam, all the assassinations in the 60s, the AIDS crisis, and on and on? What am I thinking, you don't even know what any of those things are.

No, I don’t think the new Millennium has been worse than all those crises you listed combined, and yes, I do know ‘what any of those things are’. I won’t speak for my peer group, but I do have historical curiosity, and I read as widely as I am able (time permitting). One of my favourite writers of all time is Martha Gellhorn, who wrote about 20th C. wartime, poverty, financial crashes and so on.

[quote] Maybe, along with the coddling, it's the lack of perspective brought about by your generation's sheer ignorance.

Perhaps I don’t disagree, about the majority. This statement certainly does not apply to me or to many friends & colleagues of mine, however. I’d say the picture of ‘ignorance’ is my deadbeat Boomer father slumped in front of the television and blindly believing anything he sees or hears without critical thought.

Another quality of the ignorant is to generalise and rant without context. But go off.

In theory a Gen Z'er should make a good journalist with his/her native abilities to concentrate language (texting, Twitter, etc). Good journalism, however, requires depth of understanding on a particular subject as well as broader general knowledge, command of the King's English, discernment and fair mindedness, so we can just forget that, too.

R30 While I agree that the Lawrence of Arabia statement is a bit unsettling, actually I find the “walking backward on a train-arriving later” thought to be amusing; I can only hope it was meant to be.

So don't talk to them OP. I'm sure they'll be relieved.

R56 thanks, I understood the point; that people accustomed to a longer-form precise style and format of writing via the reading of newspapers. I was making the additional counterpoint that much of that content was false and misleading, regardless of how well-written. But I suppose truth in journalism has long been passé, long before Gens Z and Y and even X were born...

You may understand the point, r61, but you still struggle with colons and semicolons.

OP Your parents hated your "cool cat", "far out" and " groovy" back in the 70s too.

I'm Gen X. I spoke two languages. "Valley Girl" with my friends and proper English around adults and at work. Gen Z speaks slang all of the time. They shouldn't do it at work. I'm too old to be called "bruh". But I guess that it's better than boomer.

I sat in a fast food restaurant listening to four teenagers debate whether "anal" is considered "sex"! It was very illuminating how dumb they were.

R62 belligerence over punctuation while refusing to listen to the other party or acknowledge their point implies a tendency toward narcissism, or at least impaired social skills. What good is technically perfect writing when it's soulless, thoughtless, says nothing and admits nothing? You're an empty vessel.

MARY r66!!!!!!!

They could be better at the art of conversation.

One of my godchildren speaks this way. The other one is finally beginning to speak like an adult.

The first one hasn’t attended university. The second one is attending university.

The first one barely ever reads. The second one reads voraciously, so there ya go.

Sounds like Valley/ Sorority Girl talk OP.

Like 1980s stuff before like they were even born like ya know?

um you all realise that valley girls are called VSCO girls now....

they should invent somebody who is so niceys to OP

Blame GEN X! They raised these little brats!

R72 must be a Zoomer. Can anyone translate? (Oh, and Zoomers, the word translate is not a putdown to the trans so don't go self-righteously apoplectic too quickly.)

[quote]Soon all written communication will be in the form of a string of emojis. Society is digressing back to communicating via hieroglyphics.

You mean like the Chinese and Japanese et al are already doing?

[quote]implies a tendency toward narcissism, or at least impaired social skills

The Jack Grealish troll at R66 (who evinces zero social skills by constantly banging on about English football on a gay and largely American site) is apparently an authority on social skills. Now I really have seen it all.

I'm a professor at a STEM university in Europe. The SMART Gen Z can do most everything other generations could do - such as math and write clearly and in 2 or 3 languages - and they can do it walking down the street eyes glued to a cell phone. The lack of general skills necessary to be a professional are noticeable when you leave the upper strata of intelligence. Then they are scattered because they think they can multi-task but cannot, and they are not intellectually curious, which is the great irony of growing up from infancy with the world of information at their fingertips.

My upstairs neighbor who is 24 or 25 and very loud claimed she doesn’t know what a carpet is. I thought she was bullshitting me, but after reading this thread I realize she may not know what a carpet is.

My gut feeling based field experience is that they do have brains wired differently than older generations. The smart ones have enough brain power to figure out our old systems - such as writing cohesive texts in several genres. That's not to say it's preferred method of communication. I don't know what world the rest of them will build - the ones who can't do things the "old ways" - but I'll be going senile and then die.

Maybe we should appreciate their optimism and good looks and shut up. I say nothing. Try to help the middlings muddle through.

At least in STEM they have to learn professional knowledge, skills, and ethics of their chosen domains. I doubt middling intellects in the humanities are going to contribute much. We've already seen as much.

R59 Kansas boy, it was not, they were really bothered by it.

R65 Not surprised. My doctor said he was giving public lectures about STDs, and most teenagers don't understand how they can transmit STDs through oral or anal, because it's not "sex" in their little minds. "sex " is when the (male) penis enters the (female) pussy

If not "sex", what is a blow job to Gen Z? Snacking?

And anal fucking isn't "sex"?

They're very literal minded..Say something like " that's water under the bridge now ".and they believe you're talking about real water and a bridge. Aspies.

[quote]They're very literal minded.

I went to the mall with a GenZ. There was a sign reading "wet floor" . He did...

I wonder sometimes if my little pen pal is an aspie, too. Sometimes he seems brilliant and insightful, but other times, he is so literate and humorless. When I read other posters seems his behavior is a norm.

R19, I agree 100% with what you wrote. I’m also an elementary teacher and the divide has gotten so much worse, particularly by grade 6. Covid has only made the situation worse with all of the school students have missed. I’ve said for a long time that I’m lowering the bar every year.

They can’t write and read because they don’t have to. It is NOT REQUIRED. Everything is on their phone — podcasts, youtube, rise and fall of the Roman Empire in a 12 minute YouTube .

In the OLDEN days at UCLA, I was not a genius but I knew the fuck enough to use CLIFF NOTES, and not copy them verbatim, but TRY to write something original .

Entitled coddled brats raised by equally entitled coddled parents

R83 So true, i remember some genZ that couldn't understand the " Tall, dark and handsome" line because it was used describing an asian guy, and they thought it was a line describing black men, and they couldn't understand even if some people tried to explain them....

They are humorless, extremally narcissistic and manipulative(they use the "my feeeeeling" in a way to get power and control ).

And they are also the less good looking generation (all fat and sloppy).

^ also, they don't wash. especially since covid. They just stink

They were talking to each other and you were eavesdropping, OP. That’s rude.

Poor things were raised by single women/ lesbian couples. Women being the stupidest human group , they didn't stand a chance.

Groovy man. Keep on truckin!

Every generation complains about the newer ones coming up. It will be like that until humanity ends.

R65, has that question finally been answered?

There are a lot of autists running around because old sperm makes aspie kids. Old men keep buying Viagra and think that means they can still reproduce without genetic errors. They're wrong.

R40:

[quote]Says the boomer trying to complete an EFTPOS transaction

Bitch, boomers invented the tech and know how to transfer money over every single platform. They're the ones driving interest in crypto. Bet you can't work a cash register.

He was referring to most DL'ers

A number of instructors have mentioned how, in their classes, Gen Z isn't all that different from previous generations, or only different to a small degree; and I won't dispute their experience [italic] in their classes [/italic] . But let's pull the camera back a little:

I worked with university students--both undergrads and grads--for several decades (just retired a couple of years ago), not as an instructor in classes but in helping guide them in their overall collegiate programs; and the very marked difference as year succeeded year was that, whereas earlier students had had an understanding and appreciation of their programs in a larger interdisciplinary context, and could deal however unwillingly with activities and functions outside the strict academic requirements of their majors ("activities and functions" meaning library research, expressing ideas and their correlations, bureaucratic/administrative requirements and deadlines, etc.), later students increasingly wanted nothing to do with anything but the strict subject-matter of their chosen majors, and so tended more and more to be incompetent in dealing with these other matters. (Let's not even bring up the question of declining social skills.) And so, yes, they may well be pretty much OK in their classes proper in their disciplines, and they may be brilliant in the narrow confines of very specific academic endeavors; but it was increasingly clear to me that, indisputably, they were losing any larger perspective about academics, academia, and knowledge in general. The implications of this regarding their post-educational doings in Society, I leave you to work out.

I am a librarian at a private well-regarded university. The school's mission is understood to 'molly coddle' the students - not teach them responsibility or independence on their way to success. The majority of the students do not know how to socialize, do not know how to communicate or ask basic questions. They are offended by everything (so are my millennial colleagues) , often break down and cry for no reason, and need to go into the 'safety zones' we have set up for them in the library. It's astounding how far society has fallen with our young adults.

When I was teaching college back in the aughts, I used to tell my students, "You have a computer with which you can find out almost any piece of information in the history of the world, and what do you do? You go on Facebook!"

And it's gone steadily downhill from there.

R8, grade inflation has been going on for eons. Ask Dubya about his gentleman Cs

Elderly people like OP vote for Trump and Republicans

R91, women are more likely than men to have college degrees. Men's rights activist reactionaries like you are so dumb. Imagine picking on lesbian couples on a gay board.

R87 whining about coddled brats but admits he couldn't complete an assignment without Cliff Notes

R88, old people are more likely to be overweight than young people. Obesity rates started climbing before Gen Zers were even born

At the private university I work in, the majority of students do not hold down any part time jobs. Some of them have work-study jobs at 10 hours a week (max), which is 'on campus jobs' working in the faculty suite or in the library, doing not much at all (usually homework or playing video games on their laptops). None of them have jobs off-campus, even though there are tons of stores, restaurants, coffee shops, fast-food, etc. within a 1/4 of a mile. They say point-blankly 'they don't want to work' (especially any physical labor) and rather stay in their 'suites' with their 'suitemates' and play 'metauniverse' games or watch Netflix. They don't want to apply for internships over the summer, either.

Once their last semester of school rolls around, an as seniors they will be graduating , they start sending off resumes (which they don't write themselves, they pay someon in the 'Career Center' to do it for them). Problem is they don't have experience doing anything at all except gaming and social media. Yet, they make it clear to me and my colleagues that they won't accept a job which pays less than $80,000 a year. They won't take an entry-level job, and won't take a job just to pay the bills - they want $80K minimal. Their parents back them up. They are insane.

If they get those 80k jobs, the joke isn't on them but the companies and society.

We recently had one new Gen Z girl give an awful presentation at work. Lots of fumbling, awful slides and using "um" every second word. Just really poorly done by any standard. She asked for feedback and people showered praise on her! I mentioned to my manager that I was thinking about bringing up a couple of issues, and she instructed me not to embarrass the girl in front the group and to speak to her privately as this was a "positive space".

You should, of course, speak to her privately. That's the professional way. She may suck at presentations but if you think confronting her publicly is how it should be handled, then you suck as a coworker/manager. Not coddling someone does not mean shaming them publicly.

R108 I can see your point but she did ask the group for feedback at the end of the presentation.

This is a tricky one....

She asked for feedback and your colleagues gave her the feedback she was expecting - praise - because that's all she has gotten all her life. She has never ever heard a critical comment in her 20+ years.

Of course, if you did give her honest / constructive feedback , she would have cried uncontrollably ('the ugly cry' as Oprah calls it), not able to catch her breath and report you to HR for hurting her feelings. She would've accused you of bullying her, and not making her feel special. And HR would've sided with her - you wouldn't stand a chance.

She's not quite that crazy, but I have seen that happen. I suppose I'm showing my age here, but in my 20s I gave a presentation that I had not prepared for and was torn apart in front of everyone by my manager. Lesson learnt though. I've never been ill-prepared since. I just thought it was odd that no-one was allowed to even mention the possibility that it might be a less than stellar presentation. Oddly enough, staff are very blunt with me about things and I don't really care if they have a valid point.

R19, R86, R99 and any others I missed - it's nice we have so many educators here! I teach a much younger cohort (what we call early years and reception here in the U.K.), which covers the 2 to 6 age group.

Even in this age group I'm seeing an ever-increasing gap between the naturally gifted children and everyone else. R19 hit the nail on the head with their observation about the middle lot falling behind, but we don't have the time (or enough staff!) to put it right.

I've also noticed that parents aren't as respectful of education as they should be. Raising concerns about their child's development is often met with dismissiveness or irritation, which is particularly noticeable with poorer families or those from some minority ethnic backgrounds.

R110 Gen Z girls especially are fucking insane, or rather they pull the “neurodivergent”, “mental health” and “anxiety” card every time they get into a situation they’re unhappy with, I think they’re just emotional manipulators. I wouldn’t criticize that dumb bitch at all, she’ll make you the enemy regardless, when she asked for feedback she meant “praise”. The egos of these cunts are enormous just feed their insanity until they pop.

R113 So true, that's exactly what they are. They always pull that "MY FEEELINGS" card every time something doesn't go their way, textbook manipulators.

I have a 'new manager' in my department who is fifteen years younger than me (she is early 40s I'm late 50s). She got this promotion over me because favoritism won over meritocracy and experience. I do what is required of me in my position, and nothing more. She is a 'textbook manipulator' and always has been the past few years she has been here working in the college library.

Last week she pulled me aside, and told me I 'make her feel guilty' that she's been taking a lot of days off (she averages three days a week, and take the other two as 'vacation' days or 'sick' days - noticeable to everyone who works here), and I need to understand she's a single mom with an 8 year old girl.

I explained to her that no one is responsible for another person's feelings - I'm certainly not responsible for her feelings of guilt (don't know where that even came in to play) ; she's responsible for her own feelings and how to deal with them. I also told her I don't need to 'understand' anything about her personal life - I keep our relationship professional. I put it bluntly: I don't share a thing with her about my private life, and I don't want to know about hers. (There are enough colleagues of hers who are her age and into coddling her, including the director who hired her in the first place and quickly became best friends with her).

This led to her having an emotional breakdown in front of me where she sobbed and sobbed at her desk. At that point, I excused myself letting her know as far as I was concerned, the meeting was over as I was uncomfortable in her presence. I'm still debating about reporting this to HR. (Again, they will probably side with her.)

They are regressing to the beatnik era, the beats used "like" a lot.

Hipsters especially harken back to past eras, they haven't one original thought in their empty heads. Their fashion sense, furniture styles, food etc, are all taken from the past. Yet, hipsters act as if they are totally original in everything they do and say.

Very few generations are completely original in their style, fashion although the youth like to think they are R116. A lot of what was popular from the seventies through nineties was also derivative and recycled from previous generations.

Link please, R117? Thanks.

R115, for 15 years, I worked in the main in-house art department of a fashion brand, when, for some reason, one of the staff graphic designers was transferred to another art department and the same type of manipulator was hired as steady freelancer.

The studio manager, who was extremely lazy, she barely did her own job or knew much about what we were doing (she transferred from the production department where she was a secretary, she had no creative credentials whatsoever!), went on to hire this Manipulator woman due to her SOB story. Her portfolio was nothing special.

Almost immediately, this Manipulator, a straight married woman, started kissing the manager's ass (the manager was a lesbian), the Manipulator copied graphics programs for the manager, programs which the art department hadn't yet installed in the new Mac computers. This was during the time when graphics were done the old school way (T-squares, triangles etc), the department recently got the computers in, we didn't yet have all the new graphics programs. But the Manipulator sure had them and made sure to copy them to be "helpful".

The Manipulator was always complaining that her husband was constantly layed-off his construction work, which was BS, as he was able to collect unemployment during his down time. He had a great union job and was always doing off-the-books side work. The family was hardly poor. they lived in a Brooklyn brownstone.

Well, you can figure out what eventually happened, the Manipulator was there around 3 years, when I was let go. I was not given any sort of honest or valid reason. It’s always the married women, especially those with children, who get to keep their jobs, while single men and single women are always let go. Who is paying our bills?

The Creative Director used the lame excuse: "She has a family, her kids are going to college soon, her husband works in a field where there are constant down times, blah-blah blah..." This type of excuse is, of course, bullshit and illegal, especially as I had seniority, at that point I was there 15 years. I enjoyed my job and I did much more work than the Manipulator. I also did a lot of overtime, the Manipulator, of course, had to get home to her family.

On the other hand, neither of us had job security because both these jobs were basically on-staff weekly freelance, also, these jobs were technically illegal. Neither of us had a legal contract to do these jobs. We worked 52 weeks a year, of course, we were allowed unpaid vacation time.

Almost forgot the rest of this saga!

My accountant advised me not to sue due to doing itemized taxes and having write-offs all those years. He said, “This might backfire, you might end up paying back taxes for 15 years." However, I sure did get my unemployment! I reported this company.

As I always had my own work area, my own computer, a phone and was required to work overtime, unemployment considered my job a staff job without benefits. I also had photographic proof of my claims. After I reported the company, the Manipulator then had to be put on staff or leave. I heard she was livid, she made much less money being on staff! Like $30,000 less!

Karma finally came and really bit the Manipulator in her sneaky ass, a year later, after being put on staff, her husband dropped dead on the job. Then, a few months after that, her boss, one of the Art Directors, his job was eliminated, she was then let go because her job was farmed out to a few of the on-staff graphics people.

I'm now a CD, when I think about this horrible company and how corrupt they were, I'm so glad I was let go, I already wasted too much time there. Of course, at the time, losing my job I really enjoyed, I was angry. My job was interesting, diversified and the other people in the department were great.

It's amazing how one truly horrible person can literally ruin an entire department. It’s also odd how these types always manage to manipulate the higher ups. Even more bizarre when these types possess little talent or skills yet they remain.

Gen Z needs to be institutionalized.

They've already institutionalized themselves. They never leave their rooms unless forced to by some authority figure.

R 87 here I retract the horrible shit I said. They prevented the red wave .

I love how this thread sounds like a nursing home.

-zappa

Are you a prehistoric incel? Have you not heard of slang?

Are you telling us there is a difference between casual oral speech and formal academic writing?

They saved us in the midterms. They seem political astute and savy.

They saved us in the midterms.

No wonder that youngsters would vote for more liberal option. Isn't there a saying attributed to Churchill that says: He who is not liberal in youth, has no heart while the one who is not conservative in old age has no brain.

Not that I agree with it. Besides, Dems are not liberal, just as Rep are not conservative. Dems are neo liberal or fake liberal woke swindlers, while Rep have become zelous religious fanatics a la Talibans.

[quote]People have been complaining about the "like" tic since Gen X was young.

And it's still annoying and still sounds stupid.

Besides R129, ain't no wonder that young people up to 30 were motivated to stop red wave. They are the ones who fuck the most and are most endangered by anti-abortion crusades.

Gen Z has less sex than previous generations.

Maybe R133. But still they are the most fertile population. Though it is true that you can not impregnate a girl by jerking off on porn.