Who is more hapless, Labour in UK or the Dems in the US?

Labour dumped the workers for something far more politically profitable. Muslims.

The Dems dumped direction, leadership and common sense for something far more politically profitable. "Trans".

[quote] Keir Starmer … repeatedly refused to back those voting for industrial action

Keir Starmer also repeatedly refused to answer the question 'What is a Woman?'.

If you squint one eye, Keir Starmer looks handsome.

If you squint the other eye, Keir Starmer looks like Winnie The Pooh.

Thanks for clearing that up for us Keir

Labour are doing fine, sweetie.

R5 Jeremy Corbyn

R6 couldn't open a pork in a pig form.

*market.

GODDAMNIT.

*farm

SHITTING SHIT

R8 'sok. You're still a fuckwit.

R9 You wanna try R7 from the beginning. Unfamiliar with the term. Ta!

R1 = trans obsessed

Woke politics in general is a gift to the Right. Since it’s essentially performative and self-reverential, it’s not surprising it’s almost the opposite of what a political strategy should be.

Society should by all means be accepting of difference and encourage striving toward that acceptance. But acceptance doesn’t mean establishing a tyranny of the exception over the rule.

Keir Starmer won’t publicly back strikes for 2 main reasons

1. He’a going to be Prime Minister soon and will be dealing with the chaos the Tories left

2. There simply isn’t the money to give everyone the mmmmm pay rise they want

3. Starmer would only be responsible for the NHS in England. Nurses are also going to be striking in Scotland and Wales who have SNP and Wales governments.

That should read

3. Starmer would only be responsible for the NHS in England. Nurses are also going to be striking in Scotland and Wales who have SNP and Labour governments.

R12 = Obsessed witih posting "trans obsessed".

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R16 = would make every single thread into an anti-trans thread if they could.

[quote]Keir Starmer is basically David Cameron but even less competent and more spineless.

This poster took too many drugs last night.

[quote]Labour finally got its soul back with Corbyn, only to feed it to the wolves with their own hands.

HOWLING.

He looks hot.

Starmer recently turned 60.

He's got great skin and great hair. He's very short though

I don't get Op's question. Dems have been on a role since Roe v Wade was overturned. Biden himself has been hitting his stride with political win after political win. Is Op typing from like November 2021?

^ so why is Trump still a free man?

538 Biden average

Approve 42.5

Disapprove 52.0

r23 that has to do with the law and how fucking slow the system is. Dems didn't even run on jailing Trump o what's your point? r24 Biden's poll numbers are still rising so eat a brick Boris.

Dems didn't even run on jailing Trump o what's your point? [R24]

Haplessness exhibit A. I rest my case.

I have always been aggravated by the Democrats, who can’t seem to stop war with each other. Biden was the only alternative to Bernie Sanders who could possibly beat him. Yes, they stopped Sanders, but in doing so, we had to vote for an inept old man who can’t stop tripping himself with his own feet.

Why can’t younger Democrats pull back the infighters and reset the conversation, bringing in new vigor to the party, people like Tim Ryan or Katie Porter or Sean Patrick Maloney.

Are they considered too inexperienced? Too early to be recognized? I am looking for an alternative to the disfunction within the party.

We needed it yesterday.

But the Dems aren't hapless. I know it's probably important to you to send that message, because you're a Magat F*gg*t, but our political representatives are kicking ass. The only time Magats ever win is when they cheat, bribe or steal elections.

Thank you R17. The relentless attacks on Corbyn -- who has devoted his life to combatting racism in all of its forms (including antisemitism) has been one of the most appalling things I've ever seen -- politically. I don't think the attacks were really linked to his support for Palestinians, rather he was too left of center for the press lords. Proof is that damning "The Labour Files" on Al-Jazeera hasn't been mentioned by any other newspaper. Loved the way that Angela Eagle's local labor party were attacked as being homophobic, just so she could run and not be de-selected.

Bernie Saunders would have been a wonderful president but he too was done in, less by the press than by the Democratic Party.

Starmer is a shameless shapeshifter who lies through his teeth. Better than Truss, of course. But still.

[quote] Labour finally got its soul back with Corbyn,

R17 It sure did! Labour's bigoted, vicious soul was indeed visible for the sensible to revile.

[quote] The relentless attacks on Corbyn -- who has devoted his life to combatting racism in all of its forms (including antisemitism)

R29 And then there's reality. Corbyn/Labour were and are deplorably anti-Jew. The EHRC said so. The only thing you omitted is blaming the Tories for manipulating the Jews into targeting Corbyn.

[quote] Dems have been on a role

Oh, Dear

[quote]Thank you R17. The relentless attacks on Corbyn -- who has devoted his life to combatting racism in all of its forms (including antisemitism) has been one of the most appalling things I've ever seen -- politically. I don't think the attacks were really linked to his support for Palestinians, rather he was too left of center for the press lords. Proof is that damning "The Labour Files" on Al-Jazeera hasn't been mentioned by any other newspaper. Loved the way that Angela Eagle's local labor party were attacked as being homophobic, just so she could run and not be de-selected.

Is R29 the virulent antisemite "Concerned European" by any chance?

Imagine calling yourself an "anti racist" and pushing a propaganda film by Al Jazeera, funded by the anti gay state of Qatar.

It's funny that in the same week Al Jazeera published it's "damning" investigation into Labour's disciplinary processes Corbyn supporting "Jewish Voice For Labour" run by some crank pensioners (Including swivel eyed loon Jenny Manson who has said she identifies as Jewish) apologised and paid libel damages to Martin Ware who made the Panorama film.

Now why would Jewish Voice for Labour pay damages when Al Jazeera "PROVED" the allegations of antisemitism were made up and claims fabricated?

The Jew hating cranks who supported Corbyn are just modern day Nazis.

"Woke politics in general is a gift to the Right. Since it’s essentially performative and self-reverential, it’s not surprising it’s almost the opposite of what a political strategy should be."

Self-reverential?

That's funny.

I guess it sounded more intelligent in your head.

Meanwhile, on earth, I like invading these right wing wankfest threads.

I'm pretty sure I'll get ignored by all the right people.

Pun intended of course.

Nothing to be done for you, R30.

R35 You're a deplorable who enthusaistically supports bigotry and Jew hatred. You're the one for whom nothing can be done.

^^^ enthusIAstically

[quote] deplorable who enthusaistically supports bigotry and Jew hatred.

Those deplorably in question generally referred to as progressives

[quote] The only time Magats ever win is when they cheat, bribe or steal elections.

R28. Very true. And that's what they are doing right now in the open. And the Dems cannot stop them. That is haplessness.

[Quote] The relentless attacks on Corbyn -- who has devoted his life to combatting racism in all of its forms (including antisemitism) has been one of the most appalling things I've ever seen

R29 I think that too. The right wing in both countries are good at making a big political issue out of trivialities while the left can not make hay even with huge ops handed to them. That is also haplessness.

[quote]The relentless attacks on Corbyn -- who has devoted his life to combatting racism in all of its forms (including antisemitism) has been one of the most appalling things I've ever seen

[quote][R29] I think that too. The right wing in both countries are good at making a big political issue out of trivialities while the left can not make hay even with huge ops handed to them. That is also haplessness.

Corbyn is Putin sympathiser. He defended Russia's invasion of Crimea in 2014 and blamed Russia's current invasion of Ukraine on NATO.

Corbyn has called for Ukraine to stop being given weapons by the US and Europe, he's accused the US and Europe of wanting to prolong the war.

The man is a total crank.

When Russia launched a chemical weapons attack in the Salisbury in 2018 Corbyn's initial response was to call for Russia to be given a sample of Novichok so they could say if was theirs.

The right wing media didn't make that up. And then there's his lifelong associations and friendships with people who've killed Jews, people who've tried to kill Jews, people who talk about killing Jews and people who don't want to kill Jews but just hate them.

Corbyn spent the weekend as part of a human chain to protest against the imprisonment of Julian Assange, the Russian asset who helped Trump win the election.

Honestly. Corbyn defenders are as pigshit thick as MAGA crowd.

Ok R40 I stand corrected. Corbyn is an asshole.

[quote] And then there's his lifelong associations and friendships with people who've killed Jews, people who've tried to kill Jews, people who talk about killing Jews and people who don't want to kill Jews but just hate them.

One of OP's R39's "trivialities".

[quote]Ok [R40] I stand corrected. Corbyn is an asshole.

You've gone from believing Corbyn was a victim of "appalling attacks" to believing he's an arsehole (use the British spelling please) simply by being given facts.

Wow.

Agreed, OP. What I found equally disturbing was the way that not only the Labour Party apparatchiks undermined Corbyn, but also that the Guardian consistently savaged him, using the issue of antisemitism to turn the knife. I cancelled my subscription in protest. Of course, Corbyn was woeful with Brexit, and a host of other issues. Bernie would have done much better. Still it makes me wonder if it is possible to elect a progressive given the state of the media today. I think perhaps not.

[quote]Agreed, OP. What I found equally disturbing was the way that not only the Labour Party apparatchiks undermined Corbyn, but also that the Guardian consistently savaged him, using the issue of antisemitism to turn the knife. I cancelled my subscription in protest. Of course, Corbyn was woeful with Brexit, and a host of other issues. Bernie would have done much better. Still it makes me wonder if it is possible to elect a progressive given the state of the media today. I think perhaps not.

Poor Jeremy, being undermined by people who were repulsed by his support for Putin.

Poor Jeremy, allowing his office staff to interfere with the disciplinary process so his supporters who trawl neo nazi websites for Die Sturmer type images can evade suspension and attend conference

Poor Jeremy who got his chief of staff to cover up sexual harassment complaints against Jeremy's friends

Poor Jeremy who will never be a Labour Party candidate again.

But mostly poor you for not even feeling like you need to hide your contempt for Jews with your pathetic toadying to a failure of a man.

Jeremy Corbyn, of recent Labour leaders, is probably the closest to my views on economic, social and environmental policy. On other fairly obvious issues I disagree with him or disagreed with the way he dealt with the issues. However, he was never going to be PM. There was never a way he was going to persuade the centre ground to go that far to the left. However much anyone wishes differently it was never going to happen. Labour, in order to get elected, needed a more palatable leader. I think Keir Starmer is a dull, dreary man who could do with speaking up a bit more but then I don’t need to be entertained or even enthused about a leader. I just want somebody who is going to do the best they can for biggest number of people. I think he will likely be the next PM following a GE and I can live with that. I won’t be voting Labour where I am as it is pointless. Would I like somebody who swings more to the left absolutely but I will vote for those who are likely to unseat the Tories or any right winger.

[quote] He’a going to be Prime Minister soon

He’s not.

If a general election were held today it looks like Labour would crush it.

R14, There is another two years before there will be a GE unless the Tories manage to completely implode their party. They have too big a majority for an earlier one to be forced on them.

[quote] Would I like somebody who swings more to the left absolutely but I will vote for those who are likely to unseat the Tories or any right winger.

Because my bigots are preferred to someone else's bigots.

I have high confidence that Liz Truss will implode the Tories, R49.

[quote]He’a going to be Prime Minister soon

[quote]He’s not.

Keir Starmer will be Prime Minister at the time of the Coronation.

What bigot am I voting for, r50? I will. To vote for a party who will continue to decimate the NHS, make billionaires richer, send refugees off to starve and allow the elderly to freeze in their homes but you go ahead and live your right wing cosy pipe dream. They will come for you soon enough.

*will not

[quote]What bigot am I voting for, [R50]? I will. To vote for a party who will continue to decimate the NHS, make billionaires richer, send refugees off to starve and allow the elderly to freeze in their homes but you go ahead and live your right wing cosy pipe dream. They will come for you soon enough.

Did you have a clear conscience voting for Jeremy Corbyn, knowing he's a virulent antisemite?

R53 You're a bigot for voting for a Party full of bigots. You'd never vote for BNP or IKIP, but Labour? Well, so what if they're Jew-hating scum. No one's perfect.

I have never voted for Corbyn and nor would I. I made it clear there were things I disagreed with him about in my post. Lots of his policies I would have agreed with other stuff I would not. You need to read more carefully. In fact I have never voted Labour in my life.

Also R56, are you entirely incapable of civilised discourse or do you just insult every person who may differ in their views?

[quote]Also [R56], are you entirely incapable of civilised discourse or do you just insult every person who may differ in their views?

Choke on Keith Vaz's cock.

R59, your family I am sure appreciate your wonderful turn of phrase on this lovely Sunday afternoon. Enjoy the rest of your day, darling boy.

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