Why are we attacking one of the most successful and well-known openly gay men of all time?

No idea where all this venom is coming from. I didn't particularly enjoy the movie, so I only posted two or three replies about it on DL and then moved on. Can't imagine constantly posting about something or someone I dislike, seems unhinged to me.

It's not all self-loathing. We've been invaded by conservative trolls for decades. But it really ramped up with the era of Trump, king of trolls.

OP, you are talking about Billy Eichner, not Sir John Gielgud.

Who?

OP is one of Guy Branum‘s sentient head moles.

His personality is not likable. I saw some clips of billy on the street . He was rude and aggressive towards strangers, like a bully.

You may find this thread of interest.

OP, I give you a 10/10.

I liked Billy Eichner before Bros. His short videos were fun and had spontaneous New York energy. But after seeing the film, which despite all the "authentic casting" and all that, was surprisingly conventional and not very funny. I went in wanting to like it and was disappointed. And he in particular was annoying and unappealing. Shrill and falling back on stereotypes. And I hated the ending. He SINGS A SONG? Oh for fuck's sake. And it's a COUNTRY song. Kill me now. And way too hot Luke "realizes he was wrong" and gets teary eyed. Ugh. Not for me. Sorry.

He’s a gross looking , unfunny, entitled , annoying twat why the fuck would Datalounge hating him surprise you?

“Successful and well known”?

He got a TBS show off of some YouTube videos, then did a Hulu show that no one watched. Half of my gay friends have no idea who he is beside “the guy who screams questions on the street.”

He is a bottom faggot and an embarrassment to the community. We need more masc alpha gay men. Not bottom beta faggot cocksuckers. And I say this as a strict bottom.

Oh shut up De-Facto, you self loathing whore.

R10 I’m no big fan of his, but you’ve missed the point of what the OP is saying. Regardless of your opinions of this one individual man, on DL if you!re out and gay, and WORKING, you automatically become a figure of ridicule and disdain. Bomer, Billy Porter, Neil Patrick Harris. Doesn’t matter, it’s like they become public enemy #1 on the DL. Why? We can’t whine about lack of representation and then constantly shit all over those that are trying to give it to us. Cut the man some fucking slack. Are you really delighting in the box-office failure of Bros? There are far worse movies that have become big hits. And you know that it’s just going to be that much harder to get other gay stories bankrolled going forward. If that pleases you, as others have said, you’re either a ring-wing troll or a self-loathing queen who wants everyone to be as miserable as you are. Maybe both?

R14 = triggered beta bottom

R13 You’re a moron.

[quote]one of the most successful and well-known openly gay men of all time?

You are a cockalorum, sir.

R17 = beta faggot

Quick, like your own posts AGAIN R13, so you feel seen!

R15 Shut the fuck up already all those people are annoying pr ugly. there are many gay men that don’t get hate!

R20 you type bottom

He's never been a nice person. Remember when hi gay classmate while in HS trashed him and described him as a bully? OP, save your hill to die on for someone more worthy.

R22 Is that supposed to be an insult? You type moron.

R21 Name them.

Obviously the original post and thread is a joke but who is the most high profile gay man who gays generally love?

Elton John has a bigger straight fan base.

Possibly George Michael because he was totally unashamed and amusing about his sex life.

Yeah, he's a regular Alan Turing.

[quote] "He’s a gross looking , unfunny, entitled , annoying twat why the fuck would Datalounge hating him surprise you?"

This also applies to James Corden. But show business is full of these kinds of people.

We are "attacking one of the most successful and well-known openly gay men of all time" because the prime directive of Datalounge is to hate, and to express that hatred as loudly, as meanly, and as often as we possibly can.

I often feel like an outlier here, as the only people I hate are Defacto and Madonna.

I love Billy on the Street and he was fantastic in Difficult People. I haven't seen the movie yet, but am planning to.

Are there *any* out gay male celebs that DL doesn't shit on?

Bottoms don't typically support other bottoms.

0 / 10

Go stuff your ass with some traffic cones

Well, you would know, De-Trollto

OP, I agree with you. People are hating Bros on two levels: Some dislike the film and others dislike Billy. That adds up to a lot of hate. I haven't see the movie but look forward to it and making up my own mind.

1) OP, this is not a place where people are affirmed.

2) OP, are you Billy Eichner? The specific tone of your whining is just like his recent comments in the press.

I swear to God- it's cause it was cold. Poor bastard released his movie on the first really shitty fall weekend. It's better this weekend... but I'm a lazy warm blooded creature who doesn't want to brave the cold so a celebrity can get richer. Sowwy.

This is a trolling post.

if OP really cared about not dragging Billy Eichner, he would not have created a special thread, which is basically an invitation for people to diss Billy.

R21 No one hates Ben Whishaw, Connor Jessup , Sean Hayes, Ian Mckellen, Luke Mcfarlane, Ben Aldridge etc. These actors aren’t annoying attention starved twats.

[quote]This is a trolling post.

I'm surprised by the number of replies oblivious to the hilarity of calling him one of the most successful and well-known openly gay men of all time.

He has demonstrated a grossly inflated sense of self-importance. It’s not attractive to anyone with a semi-evolved frontal lobe.

Hello Pete Troll. ANOTHER thread of yours? Insufferable.

It's DL. DL hates openly gay male celebs, all of them.

False equivalence. Nobody hates Tim Gunn.

Nobody hates Alan Cumming.

I loved Billy Eichner in Bros and he succeeded in bringing a mainstream Gay movie to the theaters. I love and respect him and also really enjoyed his movie Bros. Go Billy!!!

I love Billy on the street beats his meat ....oops never mind.

Nobody hates George Takei.

When Billy gets an oscar nomination for his delightful original screenplay you'll all be wishing you had been nicer.

Nobody hates Ian McKellen.

Nobody hates Elliot Page.

It is a bad look for gays, especially those who LOATHE Republicans. Billy went way above and beyond for the last few election cycles.

Eichner is a Democrat. On February 1, 2018, Eichner announced a new initiative called Glam Up the Midterms, during that night's episode of Jimmy Kimmel Live!, in conjunction with Funny or Die and with the support of several late night hosts including Sarah Silverman, James Corden, Seth Meyers, Jimmy Kimmel, Conan O'Brien, John Oliver, Chelsea Handler, Robin Thede, and Andy Cohen. Glam Up the Midterm's purpose was getting people to vote in the November 6 midterms, especially millennials, of whom only 12% voted in the previous midterm election.[27][28][29][30] Eichner joined the progressive political organization Swing Left as senior advisor starting in 2019[31][32] and endorsed Elizabeth Warren in the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries.[33]

Everyone hates De-Facto. Especially himself.

Everyone hates Ed. win. Mon. tan. ez J.r.

I honestly had no idea who this was until I started reading the threads a few days ago.

[quote] He is a trailblazer for gay men

Do NOT speak for us, OP.

He is not a trailblazer. GTFO with this delusional bullshit.

[quote]Nobody hates Elliot Page.

Except for that "big dude" who chased him down Sunset Boulevard while yelling "I'm gonna gay-bash you!"

Thread closed

LOL, r57! I had forgotten all about that claim!

Between that and Jussie Smollett's claim that the two white MAGAts who allegedly beat him up identified him on sight as being from "Empire," we've got to wonder why LGBT celebrities aren't better at lying.

[quote] He is a bottom faggot and an embarrassment to the community. We need more masc alpha gay men. Not bottom beta faggot cocksuckers. And I say this as a strict bottom.

No openly gay male of any persuasion, disposition or temperament would ever satisfy the harpies of Datalounge. Sometimes I come here wanting to be entertained but leave feeling worse about myself. I dont believe this is a gay forum anymore.

[quote]I honestly had no idea who this was until I started reading the threads a few days ago

Quite a few people here don't know anyone or anything

[quote] OP, you are talking about Billy Eichner, not Sir John Gielgud.

I'd rather talk about Sir John Gielgud.

Who greenlit this vanity project? Maybe 10 years ago, but who wants to see a 40-something gay bedhopping and bitching?

This place gives the impression that despite a collective love of cock and/or man-ass, there are quite a few gays that just do not like other gays. Thankfully, I limit that view on just Dataloungers and not the gays I know in real life. Although R31 is absolutely correct, bottoms don't like other bottoms - on DL and beyond.

And hey, Shit Brickhouse Troll at R13! Part of the reason why SBT is my favorite DL character of all-time is that the persona really encompasses so much DL sentiment into one over-the-hill, overweight, hates-fems-despite-being-überfem, str8 guy worshipping, 'strict bottom' package. With a puny cocklet.

Is Luke McFarlane on anyone’s hate list? Why are the people crying over the lack of uniform adoration for Billy ignoring the costar?

If you don't see Bros, the terrorists will win.

People like Luke.

And Luke is wisely staying quiet as Billy keeps screaming and digging his grave even further.

Better yet don’t see Bros and Eichner may go away for good.

I still think he's cute.

R52 - seriously? You’re recalling “Glam Up the Midterms” as some sort of profile in courage?

That is EXACTLY the sort of shallow, femme, pop-culturish drivel that is a demonstration of his “work”.

“Billy on the Street”? It’s like Rip Taylor and Richard Simmons had a baby and shoved a microphone at him with instructions to annoy the public.

I had never heard of him before. So I feel neutral.

I liked the representation from Paul Lynne and Charles Nelson Reilly better. At least they weren't whining all the time.

Jesus fucking Christ we are overrun with OCD jackoffs who cannot stop posting 5 threads a day about this fucking guy and his fucking movie.

You're right, r60. It's not. Between that one self-loathing gay creep and the rightwing trolls, there's an absolute ton of homophobia on here. I also think there's someone who has been trying to get DL taken down, but I can't really prove it, it's just a feeling I have after seeing a plethora of weird posts about putting body parts in suitcases, taking meth and gunning down an ex, posting photos of murdered babies, certain comments about the FBI that I wouldn't personally advise anyone to make on a public forum, things of that nature. Something is really wrong around here.

Wow, what creepy threads do you hang out on, R74? I haven't seen any of those posts.

For the same reason we at DL now also hate Viola Davis and the meth head weatherman. DL does like like people with a sense of entitlement who play the victim and scold others to try and get their way. Billy showed his ass with his whole “you are a homophobe is you don’t see mu film” shit. Why should people have to spend their hard earned money and their limited free time to go see a movie just because it is about gay people? I have ambivalent about it before but all that I decided not to see it for sure.

Eichnerd is the entitled creep that cast a gorgeous hunk to play his bottom. .

R74 is full of shit.

I have to disagree with your premise. He isn't well-known. I'm bisexual, and I never heard of him before DataLounge threads started discussing him and his lame movie. It's true.

Beyond this, people attack him because he attacked us first. It's self-defense on our part.

Helpful Life Tip? Don't antagonize your own peole, at least not without expecting them to defend themselves right back.

You must be new here OP

There is a cadre of sad, unhappy DLers who make themselves feel better about their own sad lives by tearing down anyone and everyone.

There's "pointless bitchery" and then there's pathetic and too often the discourse veers towards the latter.

Think of all the posts about objectively good looking Insta-Hos where DLers will tear down the guy's looks ("his left eyebrow is crooked. Pass!")

There is particular vitriol for any successful out gay man -- I suspect many of the DL Haters have justified their sad lives by convincing themselves that it was because they were gay and a successful gay man puts lie to all that.

Look at all the hate for Pete Buttigieg.

There's no winning either-- the successful gay man is either too swishy or not swishy enough, too tall, too short, too fit, too out of shape...

The word "entitled" comes up a lot too, which indicates a level of class resentment from the Haters.

With Eichner, there's also a healthy dollop of antisemitism, not uncommon with older DLers - "Hiss! He's not WHITE! Hiss! I may be a loser shop bottom stuck in my parent's house in Flyoverstan, but at least I am White and not a Jew!"

All of the above will be denied with "I just think he is a terrible actor and he annoys me. Why can't I express my opinion?"

I never heard of Billy until these recent threads.

I saw a few minutes of Billy in the Street and that was enough, thanks.

Then you live under a rock R81 or have limited interest in pop culture. Or pop culture from the last several decades

Billy is one of the most talented actors ever. He also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout his life. Despite that, he has a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Hollywood. At a time when gay men are oppressed beyond belief, they identified with his struggles and he theirs.

Just how many times is Billy going to post on this thread? We see you, Billy! R80

Dear sweet-assed lord baby jesus you are dumb r84.

Oh my sides, OP!

R85 You're the one that fell for it so I'd suggest that makes you dumber!

It's not comments r75, it's threads.

For example, there's an MRA troll who starts out with typical "women are all awful" and over the course of days escalates to saying he's going to murder all women and take out an office building and then posts photos of dead babies.

He got the content of his posts deleted but the threads remain. This was one where he said he was going to go on a shooting spree.

People like r78 who say this shit doesn't happen on DL are probably the ones posting this shit on DL.

OP is right. It’s sad. I have two good friends who are generous, smart, talented fellows who are well known to a lot of people if not household names. Both have been attacked and painted with lies and complete bull shit on DL. Frankly I don’t know where it comes from. It’s neither funny nor wit- just floating anger.

R89

Yes, DL is not nearly as funny as it used to be. It’s gotten too hateful, and in many cases is moving towards extremism.

Perhaps quieter minds are beginning to drop off the internet and social media because it’s so toxic. Maybe we’re seeing the same 40 angry people on people on DL. I don’t track posters.

[quote]I liked the representation from Paul Lynne

Who?

R92 I think he meant Paul Lynde.

Bless your heart, r93.

Just bless it.

[quote]Billy is one of the most talented actors ever. He also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout his life.

Effie, we all got PAIN!

[quote]Perhaps quieter minds are beginning to drop off the internet and social media because it’s so toxic. Maybe we’re seeing the same 40 angry people on people on DL. I don’t track posters.—charlie

Cluck, cluck, cluck, cluck, cluck.

No disrespect Bless Your Heart Troll, but you're an asshole.

What’s disturbing is how right wing media grifters are now making remarks on it as well, and they are using Billy’s comments to attack all gay men. Pretending straights are somehow “oppressed” by what he said and this is “heterophobia”… (eyeroll). This is why I don’t like the public berating some gays do towards other gay men, homophobes think it gives them a free pass to attack those gay men as well.

R80 Bang on. Is there anything more pathetic than posters who spew nothing but vitriol-no matter the topic-on a site that allows them to be completely anonymous.?

R80 The Mayor Pete trolls are a perfect example. If ever you would think there is a public figure we could all get behind, you’d think it would be him.

Partisan politics aside, he is objectively smart, funny, attractive, gracious and very successful. A most excellent role model by even the strictest standards. Not on DL apparently. I’m not saying he’s above criticism-nobody should be. But you’d really have to be an asshole to look for reasons to hate on him.

Ooze the Cooz and the Ancient White Fags ‘KING’ in particular really, really, [italic]really[/italic] despised “Mayo Peto”.

R82, I have no interest in random loudmouths accosting people on the street.

Jealous, unemployed cunts.

R102 He’s not random he’s a ugly lazy eyed bottom, that’s worse.

OP: you are spot on. Shame on those jealous demented haters….. get off this forum

The hate is coming from the fact he was forcing a mediocre film on the world in OUR name and saying if you don't go see it you are a homophobe. AND he was doing it for his own benefit to advance his career in Hollywood. He used the past struggles of gay people to promote himself. That is where the vitriol is coming from.

R106 This and also he’s hideous inside and out.

Betty Buckley used to flick lit cigarettes at Billy and that tells you everything you need to know about him.

R106, People can criticize what he said but that’s not an excuse to be homophobic towards him.

R109 I am gay but I fear gays like Billy Eichner who will ruin our reputation further (stds and worms from rimming already did enough damage). So yes, I am a proud homophobe because I actually fear the actions of some gay people, representing us in a degenerate way.

It's sort of fascinating how vitriolic and hateful the people ostensibly complaining about vitriol and hate here are.

You would think if they **really** decried vitriol, they would themselves be more upbeat and not so quick to shame others. I suspect that some of these posters are actually loving this opportunity to angrily scold other Dataloungers.

Of all time? HAHAHAHA. He's the worst elements of the worst gay men. His movie was exhausting. Try to imagine it with Dan Levy as the lead. It would have been so much better.

PDL is mostly bitter jealous old queens. Pick your way through the puddles of bile.

Anyone who tries to shout shame me into anything...Hard Pass.

Seems like it is becoming easier for people to say, Nope to being shamed into supporting, attending, doing things they don't want to do. Finger shaking, scolding & calling names seem to be losing its power. Calling someone a Racist, Homophopbe, transphobe seems to be getting met with shrugs & moving off & away from the scolder. And for sure not donating to their financial well being in any way, shape or form.

R133 Bitter...see the relish with which people's downfall are celebrated. You can tell Dataloungers are mostly people who are part their prime and never made it.

Are you typing from the future?

What are tomorrow’s lottery numbers?

Horseshoe all around R106- you’ve most likely never seen the film. Just a garden variety troll.

[quote] You can tell Dataloungers are mostly people who are part their prime and never made it.

I wonder what this was supposed to say.

I also wonder if r115 realizes he is also a Datalounger.

R118 Objection! Just because I post and bitch pointlessly here doesn't make me Datalounger. I'm a migrant, an illegal alien here. Datalounge is my borderland cage. My detention cell where I await your judgment and punishment for typos.

I agree OP. I don't get all the hate. I was just thinking to myself earlier that how much less I'm enjoying DL in the last couple of years. It's filled with so many of the kind of folks that I have always hated to be around - people tearing others down who are more successful and well adjusted than they are because they're too afraid to look at their own behavior and realize what a turnoff their shitty, self-loathing attitude is. It's clear that none of the assholes ripping Billy and BROS to shreds have the faintest clue as to how difficult it is to do what he's accomplished. They wouldn't even get past the first to do list or phone call. Oh well, let them live in their stupidity. It's just sad that this place has been taken over by them.

I hope you get herpes R13.

What would you suggest R63? Honestly, give us a pitch.

No, he's not R78. He's absolutely right.

And you R79 are a fucking cunt too.

How is r79 a cunt??

R83, hi Billy's publicist. How you doing?

Really R125? Yes, a cunt.

DL used to be a place where you'd find really, really great, clever wit. Now it's just a bunch of assholes shrieking and tearing down other people. Fuck off.

when’s it coming to Netflix? I’m dying to watch it.

R128 So you fit in here then?

Debbie Allen caught Billie giving Lydia Grant’s ICONIC speech while holding a beat stick. Talk about cultural appropriation….

There is really no disagreement concerning Bros and Eichner that another 40, 50 DL threads cannot fix!

Billy’s show was playing on the console when Anton Yelchin’s car experienced its fight or flight crisis…

Billy saw a certain Olmec head roll and eat its boogers and so Billy made sure said idiot saw him pick and roll a booger as one does in short bus land. He received great press.

“… Billy is one of the most talented actors ever. He also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout his life. Despite that, he has a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Hollywood. At a time when gay men are oppressed beyond belief, they identified with his struggles and he theirs. …”

What a complete load.

I plan on seeing the film. I thought all the outrage was about to be that it plays like a Hallmark film or something along those lines. I think Billy is handsome myself, even if he does wear a "hair system", or some sort of weave as DLers claim.

On some episodes of "Billy On The Street" I did find him to be a bit over the top, but I told myself he was just being himself, and it probably wasn't perceived as cringeworthy as I found it to be at times. Boy was I wrong on that score, according to DL! I still like Eich, for whatever it's worth.

[quote] At a time when gay men are oppressed beyond belief, they identified with his struggles and he theirs. …

Apparently not, since his film has yet to clear even $10 million.

I love Billy and I loved Bros but what do I know I'm only 12 years old.

Dear r126 and r135, I can understand your confusion but -

That quote @ r83 is a time honored fill-in-the-blank attribution about just about any newsworthy figure, the more off the wall the better. It was originally posted here straight-faced about Judy Garland a long time ago by someone calling themselves JudyPills, and has been trotted out and hooted at ever after.

They’re bothering me to OP!!!

R109, I actually like Billy Eichner as an entertainer I think he is funny. I've liked him ever since "Honey Badger." But Bros looked really bad. I couldn't even get through the trailer. I can understand him trying to promote it as a unique one of a kind film. But terrible writing and probably bad acting killed that film - not homophobia.

"Everyone who doesn't like Thing X is just jealous/a loser in life" is as incisive an argument here as it is in every other situation.

From the little I know from barely following this, it seems that Billy is a bit of his own worst enemy and should go and calm down and have a word with himself. Otherwise, I don't really get the extreme hatred for him, either. Also, I think he's good looking, I don't know why people are saying he's ugly. I wish I were so "ugly". It's because of his behaviour that I find makes him less attractive to me.

[quote]DL used to be a place where you'd find really, really great, clever wit.

I've only been here a couple of years, but I did find some older threads awhile back on things like Michfest and Meredith Talusan/Chrysanthemum Tran that I legitimately bust a gut laughing. There was a lot of very clever stuff on there, and while some people were nasty in those threads, for the most part the idea was more having fun, taking no prisoners type humour. I don't see as much of that on here now, though the story about "Caraline" and her "voz" did have me going for awhile.

A few months ago I might've said someone saying this was mistaken, but now I can't deny that I feel that there are a number of people who post here aren't actually gay men or lesbians but are trolling us. Some of the homophobic comments here you would never hear a gay person say, and seem to be straight out of the pre-marriage equality days. There's just something a bit "off" about a number of the posts here these days.

Also, I actually really enjoy being teased, but being yelled at, even in response to something totally uncontroversial or even nice that you've said, it pretty tiring. I get enough of that from the public in my job, let alone wanting to put up with it in my free time.

Billy Eichner did not do the honey badger video. That's another actor from New York named Christopher Gordon.

[quote] Quite a few people here don't know anyone or anything

Maybe they don't, but I'm not one of them. Cunt.

[quote]He is the star, executive producer, and creator of Funny Or Die's Billy on the Street, a comedy game show that aired on truTV. The show earned Eichner a nomination for the Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Game Show Host in 2013. He is also known for playing Craig Middlebrooks on the sitcom Parks and Recreation, Mr. Ambrose the Librarian on the animated TV series Bob's Burgers, and Timon in the 2019 remake of The Lion King.

OMG such an impressive resume! He won a Daytime Emmy in 2013!! Guested on a season of Parks And Recreation (never watched it) and was on an animated series I never watched. How have I lived this long without knowing this genius?!

R147, I’ll fill you in; he has a slight underbite, delightfully hairy, odd body fat distribution, AWG hair. I don’t want to know about his balls or dick unless they’re freaky or something.

The name sounds familiar, I don't think I seen his work.

He was on “Charles In Charge” with Tony Danza, R149.

I saw Bros in the theater today - had off work for the holiday. Actually it was very funny in the beginning, and lost some steam for me later. Billy’s character has a strange absence of loved ones- not only no mom and dad, but also no siblings or close friends- which when you think about it is both alarming and sad. Aaron, the love interest, has an old teammate crush, parents, and a brother, and we find out he played hockey, likes Garth Brooks, a bunch of small details; but we never find out that kind of detail about Billy’s character for some reason, which is why the second half of the movie didn’t work as well for me.

Ultimately it did make me laugh, especially in the beginning, but the love story didn’t entirely work - just because there wasn’t enough storyline there - and it didn’t make me cry.

Still, I don’t regret seeing it and probably enjoyed it more than anything else I could have chosen in the theater right now.

This was not an "exceptional " film like Longerm Companion or Brokeback Mountain

This a was a "fun " Film like Adam and Steve or The Birdcage .

Billy , it was a fun film , straight people in Peoria do not need to validate you by seeing this film

Can somebody please tell me why this movie is getting everyone so triggered? I wasn't a DLer during Brokeback Mountain. Did that film inspire countless threads, as well?

I thought it was weird that both Billy's parents were dead in the film. Are both his parents dead in real life?

When we attack Ian McKellen , Neil Patrick Harris, Dennis O'hare, Matt Boomer, or NATHAN LANE then we are attacking the most successful and well-known openly gay man of "all time".

I suspect you knew that though concern troll. I even limited my retort to currently living actors. Gay or Straight OP, bad movies are sometimes just bad regardless of the actors, writers, and directors.

Billy is taking a page right out of the all female Ghostbusters reboot .

[quote]I thought it was weird that both Billy's parents were dead in the film.

Then it's strange that he worked so hard to alienate his new BFs family with that cringy Christmas dinner lecture. Was the character supposed to be autistic that he thought that was in ANY way appropriate?

R156 In another thread it was said that Chris Evans could have been in Bros and another user on here once mentioned that Chris' real life mother is allegedly too clingy. Maybe this scene was written based on that information when he was still in the project and was it basically a real life tutorial on how to get rid of annoying parents?

Actually, he was only nominated for the Emmy - even less accomplished.

That's a big reach, R157. And why conjure up a weird, unlikely scenario when the truth is so obvious---that this douche (Billy) thinks it's okay to alienate everyone with preachy lectures.......including his audience.

Saw the movie. Liked Luke MacFarlane. Not familiar with Billy Eichner until the film. Found Eichner angry, preachy and generally off-putting: both as a protagonist and creator to promote the film.

The quality of the film was.....disappointing, to say the least. But it is understandable for someone like Eichner (who put everything into it) to observe it flop. Rather than blaming the audience, perhaps Eichner could use this experience for some soul searching. Perhaps people don’t find angry, blaming and shaming-protagonists attractive: both on and off screen.

I gave it two thumbs down.

Billy looks masculine and attractive here, not loud and annoying like his movie role but he has a wide-cheek face. Is this caused by alcohol? Does that make him a bear? Maybe he should work on a more quiet persona for Bros part II? Do you agree with her that the movie was relatable to straights? Does she mean the foursome?

Because he's a bad sport who's blaming everyone else except himself for his flop movie.

[quote] one of the most successful and well-known openly gay men of all time?

Of all time?

[quote] Do you agree with her that the movie was relatable to straights? Does she mean the foursome?

I’m straight, R162, but have family and friends who are gay, so they consider me “gay-adjacent”.

That said, I grokked Bros. However, several of my straight (non gay-adjacent) friends did not. The sex scenes were too much for some who are open Americans (hence seeing the film), but with the invisible Puritan thread running in their mindsets. Think it may be different in other countries, though.

I do believe the film could have been made with far more nuance and sophistication....for a much different outcome. On some level, I feel badly for Eichner as he seems to have invested his heart and soul in the production. Yet, he comes across as boorish on and off screen. Hard for most straights (and some gays?) to identify with his persona.

There were parts of the film that did work. As mentioned above, Luke seemed to rise above the fray and his acting seemed genuine. If the film would have capitalised on this and added characters that were similar rather than screechy, cacophonous complainers (everyone from Deborah Messing to Eichner), perhaps the film would have not come across as tawdry.

[quote] I grokked Bros.

You what?

[quote] I feel badly for Eichner

Oh, dear!

R165 You "grokked?"

Speak English, fucker!

^ Thanks for the corrections, R166.

[quote] grok grŏk transitive verb To understand profoundly through intuition or empathy.

In a similar vein....with a clean up of the Eichner sentence: I have empathy for Eichner.

Ah, someone wants us to know he reads Heinlein

R169 Is it the Sixties?

R154, yes, both his parents are dead in real life; his mother of a heart attack when he was 20 and his father from from leukemia when he was 33. And apparently his parents did take him to a lot of shows when he was a kid, and let him see movies that were “age inappropriate,” so that scene with Aaron’s parents could have been interpreted in some way as trying to defend his own deceased parents and the way they raised him. But I wish he would have had lines about his parents in the movie itself, more than just a couple saying they died. And more about himself too.

He reminds me of my daughter Eunice.

OP the magnitude and scale of your hyperbole are truly amazing.

Billy Eichner is; - one of the most successful and well-known openly gay men - a trailblazer for gay men - much needed representation

He is none of the above. I am cultured, learned, well-read, gay, and I’ve lived in NYC for 19 years. I had never heard of this person until his bomb landed a few weeks ago.

Your post is either meant as magnificent satire. Or you suffer from spectacular delusions and you should seek treatment.

^^ after he went viral, I sought out some of his work. Good Christ, he doesn’t represent me or any of the gay men I have known and loved since I came out in middle school 24 years ago.

I would’ve pulled the closet door shut and enrolled myself in conversion therapy if their was ANY similarity between him and my reality.

Forget it, Jack. It's Datalounge.

lol I’m so learned, their = there.

😅

I love the movie. I’ve watched it several times. The writing is very clever. And Luke MacFarlane is not only great to look at but clearly underrated as an actor.

^Hi Luke!