Jordan Peterson CRIES - "Why Can't I Be a Hero to Incels?"

Maybe it's time for him to head back to Moscow for another detox.

Well, of course there is masturbation and that bro cuddling fad that’s all the rage in larger metropolitan vistas.

Of course, his wife’s name is Tammy.

Incels aren't new. For some reason they have forgotten how to hire prostitutes. That's the deal, they aren't attractive, interesting, rich or charismatic enough to attract women so they hire women to fuck them. It's the circle of low-life.

Only Mandy Patinkin has wept more in public.

What did ugly men do before it became acceptable to live on the internet and hide in their parent's basement?

They found work on oil rigs, or became hobos, that's what!

There's always money to be made by pandering to marginalized people, and Peterson's made megabucks appealing to the useless young men who refuse to face reality.

Now, the crocodile tears for the Incels.

[quote]R6 Incels aren't new. For some reason they have forgotten how to hire prostitutes.

I’m saying it’s definitely progress… but historically non-dazzling men did have more of an advantage when they were the only ones who could work, vote, go to college, etc. Women were essentially live-in cooks/cleaners/nurses/whores in exchange for a roof over their head. So women weren’t so choosy because the alternative was becoming a REAL prostitute. Or nun. Or, if you were lucky and had some education (and references), a governess.

Now women have more options and don’t have to say yes to the first sack of shit that comes along. PRAISE!

He used to be so masculine and full of vigor before that notorious detox. If you watch footage of him during his benzo run, he could crack a smile and maybe even laugh a little. He also looked quite dapper in those equestrian jackets, like Christopher Plummer in The Sound of Music. Now, in sobriety, he looks and sounds like the Lady Elaine puppet in the throes of a menopausal nervous breakdown. Get back on drugs, Jordo!

[quote] Now women have more options and don’t have to say yes to the first sack of shit that comes along. PRAISE!

and those incels say they are being marginalized because of that

"For some reason they have forgotten how to hire prostitutes. "

As I'm marginally involved in some of the nerdier online fandoms, I've dealt with some of these straight male Incels. FYI they don't want just sex from women, they want the sexually attractive to fix all their personal problems as well as providing sex. They really, truly believe that seeking professional therapy is terrifying and unmanly, that the only people they can possibly accept psychological help and life/career coaching from, are women who are willing to have sex with them! So they're putting their lives on hold until this fantasy lover/life coach comes along, never realizing that if they want their dreams to come true they have to get the therapy FIRST, so they can be together enough to interest a woman!

They absolutely refuse to face reality, they find it much easier to be angry at the world because it hasn't provided a beautiful free therapist who's willing to fuck, than to face the monumental task of changing into someone who might be worthy of love.

[quote] They absolutely refuse to face reality, they find it much easier to be angry at the world because it hasn't provided a beautiful free therapist who's willing to fuck, than to face the monumental task of changing into someone who might be worthy of love.

and that is why Trump has the support of the Incel movement

Of course Trump has the support of the Incel movement! He's a fat, ugly, angry, tiny-dicked psychopath who's been able to both bribe and coerce women into providing sex - he gets away with everything they can't.

Now I do feel a tiny speck of sympathy for the Incels, they want what everyone wants - to be loved for themselves. They just refuse to realize that there's such a thing as the best version of themselves, the one who's worked on his looks and social skills. It's really only straight men who are like this, women and gays are painfully aware that they're expected to make an effort to please others, but straight men expect to be pleased on their own terms. Huge numbers of these Incels are right-wing racist Trumpsters, they think it's much simpler to take away other people's rights than to improve themselves.

Gurl.

Peterson is a being dumb ass with that statement because it could really bite him in the ass someday if some incel goes on a shooting spree and references/cites Peterson as inspiration.

^I mean to "is being a dumb ass"

There have always been men like this. They didn't have a network that the internet brings today's incel men. These days women don't need a man. They don't have to put up with an odd man just to be married. Men used to also poor themselves into their work or hobbies. But the hobbies were things like model trains, woodworking or stamp collecting. The really odd ones might collect bugs or rocks. Now they prefer to sit in basements and whine online and get themselves spun up. Either way, none of these men ever get a taste of that sweet, sweet pussy.

[quote]r12 they find it much easier to be angry at the world because it hasn't provided a beautiful free therapist who's willing to fuck, than to face the monumental task of changing into someone who might be worthy of love.

I was born with a lot of advantages and privileges, but I would hope that if I had none of them I’d be able to come up with self improvements. Maybe you lack beautiful features, but you can be beautifully groomed and clean, and smell nice. You can figure out what colors and styles look good on you. You can improve your body. You can be a good, kind person that helps others. You can become a specialist in SOMETHING. You can develop interests that go beyond shooting animals or figures on a computer screen. You can take an interest in the world and the people around you.

You can also realize life isn’t a fairytale where the physically and/or monetarily blessed live happily ever after. For instance, for all my advantages, I’ve never had a long term, committed romantic relationship. Which is disappointing but not the end of the world.

There have always been crazy, ranting undateables but they used to form as a single cell instead of multiplying in online forums.

It's not like Peterson is enabling them. He's telling them to get their shit together if they want their lives to improve. He tells them if no woman wants them then it's not the women who are to blame, it's THEM. His message is exactly what they need. Why didn't their parents give them this kick in the pants they need?

So exactly why are people dumping on Peterson? He usually makes a lot of sense and this is his area of expertise.

I want to know his success rate. That’s the measure of his insight.

[quote]In a new interview with Piers Morgan - Jordan Peterson breaks down in tears, saying he is standing up for Incels all of the world.

I can hardly imagine a more unappealing scenario.

R21 because he's a misogynist troglodyte and you're a dumbass.

Look around, there's always some dumb straight woman to be with even the least appealing straight man. These incels think they deserve a woman with gorgeous looks and a killer body. They need to lower expectations.

[quote]These incels think they deserve a woman with gorgeous looks and a killer body.

Oh my, where on earth do they get that idea?

[quote] It's not like Peterson is enabling them. He's telling them to get their shit together if they want their lives to improve.

no he is saying women are the problem, not men

R9 Ehhhhhhhh.

I don’t think women are that good at choosing men.

I don’t think women have a great perspective of what masculinity is and they gravitate towards men who appear hyper-masculine but are mentally immature, co-dependent, and have low ambition.

I mean if women were good at choosing men, divorce rates and Deadbeat dads would be much smaller.

Um, we said the same thing here, R26.

[quote] no he is saying women are the problem, not men

No, he is saying the exact opposite. Anyone who says what you said does not know what you're talking about.

[quote]These men, they don’t know how to make themselves attractive to women who are very picky

Or even to women who aren't picky. Stop blaming women for having basic standards, incels.

[quote]These men, they don’t know how to make themselves attractive to women who are very picky

Or even to women who aren't picky. Stop blaming women for having basic standards, incels.

I remember some moron linked to video on another thread of this choad discussing in all his wisdom why Africans can't take care of their own continent. Peterson is a small, white grievance guy who appeals to the same angry pencil dicks who worship Trump.

I really don’t know about incels.

I know more about MGTOW and the men were sexually active. MGTOW was mostly divorced men, men who came out of abusive relationships, and the awkward man who were understanding female nature and understanding the clash of the sexes.

Men want sex, women want resources. Men desire women, women desire children.

Men want to spread their seed, even that mentality is in gay sex and gay porn.

It’s not uncommon for a woman to be done with her husband after she’s done having children, it’s not uncommon for a man to leave his wife and family behind for another woman.

It seemed like the MGTOW message was about understanding those primitive concepts and being able to dodge and avoid falling into becoming a miserable divorced man.

The suicide rates for divorced men are high so it’s not like it’s a crazy discussion to be had.

I’m gay so it was interesting to be on the outside looking in at heterosexual turmoil.

R34 you don't seem to know much about straight people, particularly women.

Incels believe they somehow deserve supermodels, regardless of what they themselves bring to the table. Feminism has destroyed women and cheated them out of the beautiful, submissive virgin they deserve by birthright. Many drift into paedo territory, with the rationale that a 12 year old has not yet been 'ruined' by feminism or self-awareness, and is still sexually 'trainable'. The mental gymnastics these emotionally crippled men employ to weaponise their supposed suffering is incredible. They call psychotic incel Isla Vista mass murderer Elliot Rodger 'Saint Elliot'.

Yeah, I was fascinated by the Subreddit r/incels.

R21 You’re talking to a bunch of people here who have never read or listened to anything that Jordan Peterson has to say, but if Twitter doesn’t like him, neither do they! Morons, in other words.

R27 He’s not saying anything of the sort.

R26 He’s right…she’s fat and unattractive. What’s your point?

Isn’t that what prostitutes are for?

Peterson attracts some very weird and devoted disciples.

LOL R23!

R35 And how so? Please explain because what I said is pretty basic.

It’s exactly why studies show gay and lesbians are happier in relationships than straight people.

Exactly, R34. These are the things that Peterson discusses. How to understand unchecked human behavior and how to avoid its traps that end up making your life miserable.

I've listened to a lot of him in recent months and I am not seeing this horrible misogynist. If anything, he is much more down on men and their refusal to grow up and take responsibility. The joke is he starts by telling them to take the first step - clean up their rooms. And he's right. You have to start somewhere. Take responsibility for becoming a better man and person. That is what he tells men and that is what he tells them will make them attractive to women. WTF is wrong with that?

I am also seeing someone who is clearly looking at behavioral studies (he is a clinical psychologist) and trying to figure what they mean and how people can best navigate life with this understanding. I also see women interviewing him and accusing him of misogyny when all he is doing is relating what the studies show. As a woman, I am embarrassed when I hear these interviews.

Canadians are weird.

R42, he did tell a female interviewer that she should have children and how unfulfilled her life will be if she doesn’t. This is after she said she didn’t want kids. She didn’t take the bait either and was respectful but he just kept on trying to make her feel as though she was messing up her life and tick tock. He bought into his own hype, even saying he doesn’t support gay marriage because it’s what Marxists want. How is that professional? He sounds like someone who needs therapy.

He thinks the cure for what ails young white men is "enforced monogamy" ie. brides for incels. Women aren't fully realized human males just an accessory for male desire.

Trying to explain why Jordan Peterson is a misogynist is like describing why water is wet.

* human beings, not human males, ofc.

[quote]R45 He thinks the cure for what ails young white men is "enforced monogamy" ie. brides for incels.

Meanwhile, we have hundreds of other posts stating men can not be expected to be monogamous. How would one enforce this faithfulness?

And what kind of a dad would an incel make??

^^ not saying r45 believes in that!

Wow, what a freak.

I assume the monogamy part is only enforced on the female side ie same old, same old

Some of you all haven't familiarized yourself enough with his ouvre to get to the part where he asserts "high value" women -- i.e., the most beautiful and able to fetch the best males -- should marrying for money instead of working. After all, he says he's consulted with top law firms and the really grade-A female specimens, the ones who had looks, money, and great careers came to realize they would be better off marrying well and focusing on family-raising. And that's the "best" women. he asserts that your average woman cannot possibly achieve this grade-A status and career success, so the reward for working outside the home for them is even smaller.

If you can't see the misogyny there good luck finding your ass with both hands.

Incels want their "freedoms" and free market, but they assert pussy should be a common good women are forced to share.

Will this shithead OD already?

Women of any degree of attractiveness will knock themselves getting to any many who shows the least bit of charm, intelligence, attentiveness, observes basic hygiene, and who works with whatever God gave him in terms of basic looks (good haircut, attention to what he wears, etc). I'm a near senior gay, and only moderately attractive, (in other words, completely invisible to gay men under 50) and women over 40 throw themselves at me. Seriously. Space aliens on Mars can see that I'm gay through a telescope, so it's not as though I'm straight-acting/appearing or trying to pass as straight in any way. It is true that lots of women will sleep with "bad boys" - but if given the choice, they will almost always marry the "good catch" guy. So the Incels have a choice - but they are not making that choice.

One quote that sparked my interest is when Jordie claimed that 1 out of 10 people are completely useless to modern society because they have IQs of 83 or below, and since IQ is an immutable biological trait, it can’t be changed through any kind of clinical or social intervention (coaching, training, education, welfare, affirmative action, etc.). Which means that;

[quote]…there’s no place in our cognitively complex society for 1 in 10 people. So what are we going to do about that? The answer is: “no one knows.”

Translation: I’d like to crush all these pathetic losers into protein powder for my new supplements grift, Soyless Green. It’ll turn you ladyboys into REAL men!

Bad idea since they make up a good chunk of his audience.

R43 Don’t you lump me in with this asshat!

R37 Nope, I’ve heard/read enough of this idiot’s musings to last me a lifetime. I just think he’s a tool. BTW, he has no one to blame but himself for the grief he gets on Twitter Are you an incel yourself, or just an apologist?

[quote][R26]He’s right…she’s fat and unattractive. What’s your point?

R37 Hypocrisy is the point. The model is overweight, for sure, but facially she’s more conventionally attractive than Peterson’s own spouse, so it seems hypocritical for him to ignore beauty’s subjectivity. Of course there are men who like curvy women with some extra pounds on them, but you and JP are not among them. The model looks like a damn fertility goddess compared to Peterson’s wife. Yet he seems perfectly happy with her. (Incels, take note!) However, if Peterson trades her in for a hotter, more attractive version. as many guys at his level of success eventually do, please disregard my original point.

Jesus christ Jordan. They're lonesome because of their horrible personalities. Women ain't that picky you've just chosen to sympathise with sociopaths.

Elliott Roger went on that killing spree after getting into Peterson. Good work there Jordo.

The comment about the model is also a good illustration of why these incels can’t get laid. They’re assholes!

Teaching young boys that "sexual status" is more important than having a personality might be making things worse no?

"I've listened to a lot of him in recent months and I am not seeing this horrible misogynist. If anything, he is much more down on men and their refusal to grow up and take responsibility."

But somehow, that's not the message they're recieving. Like I said, I encounter some of these assholes through nerdy fandoms, and they're all "Well Jordan Petersen says that the problem is evil selfish women who won't go out with me!". Why is that? Are they cherry-picking the nastiness out of his rants, and ignoring all the stuff about improving themselves?

R64 He doesn’t understand who he's catering to. He thinks they're fixable.

[quote]"high value" women

Twitter is absolutely awash with these "high value women" grifters, and they're all creepy as hell. There are a lot on Black Twitter for some reason, even though this all started with Jordan Peterson and there doesn't seem to be a lot of overlap between Peterson followers and Black Twitter.

These "gurus" basically say that "high value women" are the ones who are all about making their man happy, or the ones who dress modestly except for their husbands in the privacy of their home, or the ones who avoid political thought altogether. They'll say that a woman who stays with a man even if he's broke or down on his luck may not really be "high value" but just "low value women who can't get anyone else" and men should beware of them.

It's just another version of the self-help grift, but it seems to also be connected to the recent move to the right in our current culture, too. All of these "high value women" and "tradwife" things seem to be mostly backlash to women not needing men anymore.

When are we going to acknowledge the rampant pedophilia in the incel movement? That's part of their problem. They blame women because they don't actually want women. They want girls.

If JP wants to "help" these cunts he's sure got his work cut out for him

He put the blame on "picky women," R21, rather than put the blame on these toxic individuals who believe women are lesser human beings, responsible for all of societies ills, who were put on earth with the sole purpose of being sexual slaves. So yes, he was enabling them and it's not for the first time either.

MRAs, incels, MGTOW and trans activists, all vilify and scapegoat women and they all advocate violence towards women. Paedophilia is also rife in the so-called "manosphere" because female children are easier to subjugate. There has been a number of terrorist attacks committed by incels/MRAs already who have left behind manifestos proliferated with unhinged rantings about women (as well as Jews). So Jordan Peterson weeping tears for their plight is a very foolish move on his part, but then this is not the first time he has expressed support for them either.

As R16 stated, he's possibly opened himself up to his name being evoked the next time an incel/MRA goes on a shooting spree. I'm amazed he hasn't been cited already, tbh.

"MRAs, incels, MGTOW and trans activists, all vilify and scapegoat women and they all advocate violence towards women. "

Nice try slick.

Sticking your anti-trans bigotry into a statement against bigots.

But it's a pretty fucking tired move particularly in a thread where people are tearing a guy who thinks the same way you do.

I think that was next level trolling in the 90s.

Today?????

Maybe you should stick to TikTok.

Really dumbed down tricks seem to attract likes there.

Trans activists frequently threaten women with violence, R69.

Womanhood is not a costume. A trans "woman" is a man. Most of these autogynephiles are white males too. Their history of calling women "terf cunts" and then threatening to punch them, or throw acid in their faces, or shove their *girldicks down their throats, etc., has been well documented. So why deny it?

*No such thing as a "girldick." It's just a male penis.

MGTOW is just another word for incel. They just pretend to have dignity, where incels have completely given up on the pretense.

R37, I'm one of those people who has never listened to him and have no intention of doing so, but what I do know is he couldn't handle words on a screen when he was on Twitter and ran away like a bitch. So is he one of these people who talks about the left being hypersensitive and incapable of taking criticism, yet proved that he couldn't even handle words typed at him?

Explain to me how this world works where you get to critique everything and everyone and if lots of people push back, you run away. So is this a world where you think only your ilk gets to think and say whatever the fuck you want and no one can respond?

Dude. Did the Xanax do permanent damage or did he switch to booze?

The red pill/incel crowd gleefully imagines women inevitably “hit the wall” (in their 30s?) and become physically undesirable.

Someone once posted that the incels wanting sex should court these older women. It’s hard to imagine an experienced person would want to stick with an incel/loser, but the chances might be better for the incels/losers with older women vs. the hot young lassies they fantasize about. I mean, at least for a pickup.

R73 I don’t know if he’s currently a drinker, although he comes off as a dry drunk dealing with anger issues. I would not be surprised if he was a booze-hound at some point in his life, tried to quit, but then relapsed onto pills (benzos I think, not opiates.) That would explain his custom-made 12-Step program; it’s as much for him as for his followers.

Peterson made a lot of sense - in the beginning. Then he went to crazy town. He really needs professional help. Perhaps he just wasn’t cut out for fame. Not everyone is.

[quote]Twitter is absolutely awash with these "high value women" grifters, and they're all creepy as hell.

Reddit is home to the lady version, which shares an abbreviation with coochie spray.

Oh! I looked at their playlist and they did an episode KING TAMPON: ROAST OF CHARLES III!

They can’t be all bad.

R78 stop trying to make the “King Tampon” thing stick, King Tampon Troll. It won’t.

[quote] These "gurus" basically say that "high value women" are the ones who are all about making their man happy, or the ones who dress modestly except for their husbands in the privacy of their home, or the ones who avoid political thought altogether.

Sorry, guys, "Stepford Wives" was just a movie.

[italic]If ever I became famous and the Easy-On people asked me would I do a commercial, not only would I do it, I’d do it for free!

Be Better.

Peterson in a few years:

I can't get past Peterson's voice. Kermit the frog as a Canadian.

The lovely and talented Mrs Peterson.

The lovely and talented Peterson spawn.

She doesn't look so bad now. We all need a little help to look our best.

So if people commented about his wife's looks, he would say nothing, right?

[quote] So is he one of these people who talks about the left being hypersensitive and incapable of taking criticism, yet proved that he couldn't even handle words typed at him?

R72 That's exactly who he is.

R87 I think that’s Peterson’s daughter, not his wife. His wife looks like a slim version of Mindy Cohn from “Facts of life.”

Summaries of his views:

R91, he's a clinical psychologist and a former or maybe still professor. WTF is "rationalwiki"?

Altright? I don't think so. They just say that about him because he opposed the Canadian law making it a crime to "misgender" people.

Rational Wiki is site focused on analyzing and refuting pseudoscience and the anti-science movement, among other things. So you'll have more of the text devoted to Peterson's crank theories than on regular Wikipedia, for example.

And no, they say that about him because he's one of those experts in a single field who think they have the answer to everything, from culture to politics to economics. A bit like Elon Musk. The gender crap is incidental, he's just an all-around vile person with deplorable views.

I have to admit that I enjoyed “Maps of Meaning” especially his compelling encounters with the Dragon of Chaos, like in this clip (It’s rather intense, so I suggest not listening to it right before bedtime):

Every time Jordan Peterson cries a maxipad gets its wings.

If it's just sniffles then a light day pad gets 15% more absorbent.

I'm slightly curious. Is the whole incel thing an American phenomenon or is it seen in other developed countries, like say, France or Germany. I mean we don't hear about some guy in Switzerland who can't get laid going nuts in public. Are they found in these countries in lesser numbers or are they just less likely to act out in so called revenge?

R96. Someone will be tempted to say it's a product of America's history with Puritanism. I'll admit I'm one of those people but that's a reductive explanation.

I think it's global, just more obvious and widespread in the US. There seems to be a concerted effort to suppress sexuality going on in here and elsewhere, for both men and women, under the guise of a healthy withdrawal from the addictive nature of porn and sex. I'm reminded of efforts in the past to channel sexual frustration into certain political movements.

Not to discount the serious issue that is porn/sex addiction but if that is a concern please see a therapist - not some quack online who tells you to refrain from masturbation for a month or something.

I think it’s the American Dream. Straight men deserve the beauty queen who will keep their house, make their lives better and make their friends jealous.

And they ONLY want the cool girl, not the nerdy/plump sidekick.

But not too cool. She has to be pretty fucking dumb and look to him for guidance. She can be a genius at canning vegetables and ironing his pleated Dockers. Good with kids, but no so good it seems like she loves them more than him. These guys are insane and the reason the draft was invented.

Hey Jordan.

Rather than coddling the incels and telling them it's everyone else's fault, but theirs because they're special and perfect as they are, perhaps dish out some advice on coping skills, resilience, and likely exercise, diet, and personal hygiene.

Finally, perhaps tell them that if they're 5s, stop creeping on 8s and 9s, pretending to be "nice guys," then getting angry when no one wants to date them.

I have NEVER run into someone who complains about dating who isn't shooting leagues and leagues above what they have to offer in terms of personality, accomplishments, money, and, of course, looks. They'd never date someone "below" them in these categories, but expect people much higher to "give them a chance" - lol.

Jordan Peterson is one of the greatest thinkers of our time. And he’s emotionally available. I don’t agree with everything he says, but I don’t agree with everything anyone says.

[quote]Jordan Peterson is one of the greatest thinkers of our time. And he’s emotionally available. I don’t agree with everything he says, but I don’t agree with everything anyone says.

LOL - no. He's a sellout and panders to the lowest common maga denominator.

I will concede his original position for which he initially gained notoriety - that legislating language and forcing people to use certain terms or face criminal sanctions - was actually valid. But, since becoming the maga hero that nobody needed, he's become a self-serving, self-righteous caricature of a deep thinker.

He's not a great thinker. He's a commercial hack, sellout.

[quote]Jordan Peterson is one of the greatest thinkers of our time.

In the same sense that Thomas Kinkade is one of the greatest artists of our time and Zamfir is one of the greatest musicians of our time.

Can't believe this MRA weirdo has so many stans on DL.

The daughter has given herself a makeover. She has a podcast where she interviews Daddy now.

[quote]R92: Altright? I don't think so. They just say that about him because he opposed the Canadian law making it a crime to "misgender" people.

No, only an anti-trans troll would make such a simplistic assertion. There's lots of ways (such as his misogyny, and constant rhetorical attacks on 'the left') in which Jordan Peterson can be characterized as alt-right, not least because the alt-right reverences him and regards him as an intellectual validation of their cultural positions.

There is nothing more preposterous than arrogance and know-it-all bloviating that comes from someone who has/had substance abuse issues. This motherfucker is in no position to lecture anyone, esp., those of us who never turned to drugs/alcohol to solve our issues. Mind you, I'm not in any way putting down someone who simply had/has those issues, I'm putting down every fucking asshole who has the nerve to be a dick when they've fucked up in their own life. You don't get to act all high (no pun intended) and mighty when you've turned to drugs/alcohol to solve your issues. Once you've done that, fuck off, because you're the one who contributed to the breakdown of society.

[quote] Rather than coddling the incels and telling them it's everyone else's fault, but theirs because they're special and perfect as they are, perhaps

See, you're so full of shit. That's exactly what he does NOT to. He does the opposite.

You obviously don't know the first thing about this guy.

R26 it's so hilariously pathetic and oblivious when straight men position themselves, hands on hips like a huffy teapot, as arbiters of discriminating taste when it comes to female beauty. As if their opinion counts for a grain of rice.

Women dress and beautify themselves for other women, predominantly. And gay men alone among males have the ability to style these women tastefully. Straight men barely figure into the equation, because in reality their tastes are poor to non-existent, and all that truly matters to them is the feel and smell of pussy rather than how it is presented. To pretend to anything else is a reach.

[quote] He put the blame on "picky women," [R21], rather than put the blame on these toxic individuals who believe women are lesser human beings, responsible for all of societies ills, who were put on earth with the sole purpose of being sexual slaves.

Why shouldn't women be 'picky'? They are biologically the selective sex, for their own safety and that of their offspring. It's nature, it's science.

Of course, the idiot 'Doctor' disregards this fact.

The only women who aren’t picky have doormat self esteem.

[quote]R110 Why shouldn't women be 'picky'?

Especially since women have different sex drives than men. And, they’ve been told for centuries that if they’re not picky, they’re whores.

Jordan Peterson is a constant reminder of how hypocritical progesive/feminist think is. The guy dares to be vulnerable (as progressive/feminist thinkers tend to encourage, blaming "toxic masculinity" on the fall of men) and is constantly berated for it by them. He is also constantly stating that if men are unsuccesful with women its most likely their own fault, not the women, and stands up for the exact opposite of what oith "incels" and feminists detest most , accountability and responsibility.

The guy obviously has a conservative streak which I don't really share, but the fact that he is hated for the mere fact that he helps men, is truly a sign of our times.

R113 just for some context

He's hated because he's a hypocritical phony who cries like a baby on national TV because people criticize him and because the men who follow him are sexist pricks. This is the man (*cough* Russian asset *cough) who has Communist memoribilia and left Canada (home of the best medical care in the world) to get detoxed in Russia, because according to his daughter Russia isn't afraid to detox a patient without the use of drugs. And yet, also according to her, they put him in a medically induced coma. I guess Russia is able to induce comas through the power of magical thinking EH Peter?

This guy is a FAKE, a plant, a stupid pawn, and quite frankly, of average intelligence.

[quote]R113 Jordan Peterson is a constant reminder of how hypocritical progesive/feminist think is. The guy dares to be vulnerable (as progressive/feminist thinkers tend to encourage, blaming "toxic masculinity" on the fall of men) [bold]and is constantly berated for it by them. [/bold]

By women? No, by men.

^^Peterson

"He's hated because he's a hypocritical phony who cries like a baby on national TV because people criticize him "

Not why he cried lol If he cried every time he was criticized the man would be a shriveled up old raisin lol

Nah he was crying because the idea that its considered to be a bad thing to help lonely incels was considered a bad thing, but if you would have watched the footage you would know that, I guess.

R116, I would like soime statisitcs on that lol

R118 = Peterson's daughter

R119 they don't make statistics on the percentage of men vs women who criticize men for being emotional. If you had a life, and social intelligence, you'd know that.

No, love, but social media feedback is a thing, and from what I've seen of it, that statement is full of shit.

R122 you better get an early start on Xmas shopping for your dad Mikhaila, those vintage hammer and sickle paper weights sell out fast!

He's so weird

Seriously some of you are just ignorant of what this man talks about. Disappointed in many of you who just repeat some kneejerk irrelevant nonsense about him. Who cares that he went to Russia to get detoxed. When people are physically ill, they do things I might also question but I've never been in that situation.

From most accounts he's been incredibly helpful to men trying to get their lives in order and grow up and take responsibility for their lives and futures. And for understanding the psychology of people - both men and women - and cultures. I don't know how anyone can criticize that.

The criticism is almost always purely based on politics with no examples of specifics of how they disagree with Peterson. Hope you don't choose your brain surgeon on that criteria.

His wife became incredibly ill and this man, who teaches young men to be mature and responsible, got hooked on pills and then went to "detox" in Russia (aka got the shit kicked out of him for failing the intelligence operation to which he was assigned).

He's a fraud, simple as that.

How does that make him a "fraud"? It makes him less than perfect. Or makes him a man who tried and failed but kept looking for an answer.

Oh give it up Mikhaila R128. Your dad exposed himself.

Oh you found me out. R129. You must be the smart one here.

It’s the Russia part that is raises suspicion. Russia is not an ok country to seek healing. Not for a Canadian. There is something else going on there, as others have noted.

You don’t go to Russia to quit Benzos!

He's a pill popping misogynist snake oil salesman who carved a lucrative career for himself validating the psychotic hatred White men feel towards women and mothers. The same demographic who usually feel the same psychotic hatred towards gays and Jews. How anyone can admire that prick disgusts me, R101.

R132 is another idiot who has not listened to anything Jordan has said. He says nothing of the sort you think he says. Why not post these things you think he says. There are tons of videos of him out there.

Imagine defending a cunt who weeps tears over a group of unwashed pigs who think they should be allowed to rape female children while calling gay men predators? Peterson is a disgusting cunt and so are the self loathing morons defending him.

WTF are you talking about, R134. Get back on your meds.

You obviously don't know much about incels, R135..

Painfully pretentious douchebag.

Every cult leader functions by making their acolytes feel validated while demonzing the prevalent culture outside the cult.

He's basically Dave Sim, only lacking the artistic talent and imagination and creative courage.

If you're going to be a bloviating woman-hating ideologue, at least have the decency to develop some kind of impressive skill that contributes to the world.

Having mulled over Peterson's frothing bitterness toward womanhood for a long time, I've come to suspect that the root cause is banal--his wife having a child, that she'd naturally put first, and him resenting the loss of attention and coddling of 'his' woman all to himself. It also explains his approval of the incel predilection for starstruck, easily-manipulated young girls with no dependents. Grown healthy women share attention between their family, neighbours and friends, not just male partners, and have little to no patience for straight male bullshit--straight men like Peterson resent that.

R139, why don't you post one of Peterson's videos.

R141...because I was talking about Dave Sim, a different guy?

[quote]Now women have more options and don’t have to say yes to the first sack of shit that comes along.

I say yes, YES! God in heaven, YES!

Petersonian thought and inceldom can be readily understood by watching the episode of South Park wherein Wendy teaches Butters about Photoshop.

Do you think he’s assigned to recruit incels as Russian operatives?

It’s a brilliant plan, as incels have a resentment toward modern American society. Yet do they have the intelligence?

r136

r136 the male version of:

r136

Legbeard

Neckbeard

QueerBeard

Like most autistics, he is unable to hold a real job or have the grit to function based on his own principles. As soon as things get tough, he folds bigger than even the biggest incel. I guess he's lucky he has his brainwashed daughter to take care of him, but how is she going to live her own life.

He is so fucking weird.

You have to admit that the poster(s) putting up a "passionate" defense for Peterson are pretty good at mimicking the tone and diction of the crazy that his supporters demonstrate.

Only DLers have the wit to pull it off so convincingly just to troll other DLers.

Why are countries happy?

Do outcome differences prove that there is inequality between men and women?

Do all women want the same thing?

Differences between men and women.

Differences in male and female anti-social behavior.

If you flatten out cultural expectations are there still differences.

Do you want safety or an adventure?

[quote]r129 Oh give it up Mikhaila. Your dad exposed himself.

She’s like a down market Baby Ivanka.

I don't know her.

R145, I thing his Incel fans could be convinced that Russia will give them a hot girlfriend in exchange for their services, but I doubt they gave the discretion needed.

Tell me they wouldn't be all over the internet, telling their fellow losers "All I had to do to get a visit from a Russian whore was to spend all day posting pro-trump bullshit and hack into the Pentagon! I think she likes me.".

Jordan petersen is an incel who got lucky enough to find an autistic woman to marry him. No woman with the total package will want anything to do with that nutjob.

Maybe he should just stick with doing his race infused horror movies instead?

" I mean we don't hear about some guy in Switzerland who can't get laid going nuts in public."

Well, maybe Switzerland should sell unlimited submachine guns to the general public.

Problem solved.

For someone who says "the data cant be argued with" constantly. He sure uses some arguably bullshit "data."

Very soon his kidneys will pack in due to the all meat diet and he will either be forgotten or become a full blown religion.

The next L. Ron Hubbard.

Thanks for posting those clips, I've heard of Peterson but had never seen his shtick.

He's not very bright. He reminds me of Steve Bannon and his "gamer guys" incel hook. The fact that he can get emotionally stunted, lonely men to "follow" him doesn't make him worthwhile as a human being nor as a psychologist. He's manipulative and dull.

Good. Thanks again for posting these informative clips. I can go back to ignoring Peterson now.

Who is this guy?

Is he not dead yet from his drug addiction?

Sad.

I remember reading the part of his dumb book where he boasts about getting a gang rape victim to blame herself for being drunk and somehow nothing he said afterwards made much of an impact on me.

He's such a creepy shit disturber. The most disturbing thing about him is the legions of losers who use him as a daddy figure who makes excuses for their own obvious failings

Another creepy thing about him is his high pitched voice.

[quote] I remember reading the part of his dumb book where he boasts about getting a gang rape victim to blame herself for being drunk and somehow nothing he said afterwards made much of an impact on me.

You're totally misrepresenting what was said.

I agree that women also need to be protective of themselves and stop making themselves vulnerable to predators. That is not victim blaming. That is not absolving predators of their crimes. That is crime prevention advice which everyone needs to be aware of to avoid being victimized. When I was young I was careful never to get drunk or lose my head to alcohol or drugs in places or with people I could not trust or did not know. I never felt that I was oppressed because of that self-regulation.

Telling someone not to leave their keys in the car does not absolve and find blameless the car thief.

"Telling someone not to leave their keys in the car does not absolve and find blameless the car thief."

That's a false equivalence if ever I heard one. But equating the gang rape of a woman to a crime against property would certainly be in keeping with the Petersen cult's style.

No it is the principal of the thing., R177. People need to not place themselves in peril if they can avoid it.

If it can't be avoided then that is an entirely different matter. But then you refuse to acknowledge that there are differences in situations.

And, yes, some situations CAN be avoided. I refuse to accept that women are idiots or passive children and cannot better protect themselves in some circumstances.

R176, telling the victim of a serious crime what THEY did wrong absolutely is victim-blaming, particularly when it comes from a psychologist!

It's normal for a person who's been through a trauma to blame and second-guess themselves and to be burdened with guilt as well as the other repercussions of a horrific experience, and the psychologist's role should be to help the person deal with those feelings and realize that although they could have been anywhere else at the time, being where they were doesn't make them responsible for the crime - the perpetrator is responsible. They committed a crime against whoever was available at the time.

For a psychologist to get a victim to blame themselves is an abuse of everything the helping professions stand for.

Comparing a woman to a car and a rapist to a thief… typical Peterson.

First Principles seem to escape some people.

If a lady does not want to be sexually harassed or assaulted, the best thing is to avoid makeup, wear a full-body veil, and always be accompanied by a male relative in public spaces. (Not one of the the rapey make relatives, of course.)

^^^ No. It is to not deliberately get drunk at a frat house with a history of assaulting women who get drunk.

R183 How would that even happen? Surely a frat house with a “history of assaulting women who get drunk” would lose its charter and be banned from campus.

R184, it's cute that you think that. Are you very naive about the world, generally?

I'm not agreeing with R183, who blames women over frats with a reputation for rape. But no, cupcake, every injustice isn't treated fairly, every wrong is not righted, and people get away with shit all of the time, privileged frat bros being at the top of that heap.

I will never not find the seeting hate against someone as relatively innocous as Peterson by the progs hilarious. Because it just showcases something about them that is so nasty...yet they are oblivious to the fact, It shows them up so badly.

[quote]R181 First Principles seem to escape some people.

Does your principle also cover that people who were gay bashed shouldn’t have been “acting gay” in public, wearing pink or lavender, holding hands with someone of the same sex, or have had a rainbow sticker on their car?

^^^ No. It is to not deliberately act gay in conservative areas with a history of assaulting gays.

Women, Gays, Blacks, Hispanics, anyone who isn't a White male has to be super careful not to show White men who they are or go places where they might be seen. Otherwise it's their own fault when they get raped, assaulted or murdered.

Um... yeah, no thank you Jordan Fuckhead Peterson. Throw the rapists, assaulters and murderers in prison again and again and again - until they either learn or they are the ones living in fear and afraid to leave their houses not us.

We outnumber them and we outlive them. We can take them down.

We can't even test rape kits before they become moldy and have to be thrown away. We can't even come up with a less disturbing name than rape kit. They don't want to catch those guys

Hate to shatter your clear-cut worldview, R188, but people in conservative areas with a history of assaulting gays don't need you to "deliberately act gay" in order to bash you. They'll just bash you.

Today's conservatives are ALL about Law And Order!

Until it's a white straight man being arrested. Then they're all about forgiveness and rehabilitation.

R189 is a hysterical loon.

R191 So we should take responsibility for our own wellbeing by staying out of those anti-gay areas - at least according to the logic of R183. Maybe there should also be a night curfew for us and for women too. For our safety!

There ought to be a night curfew on straight men between the ages of 15-50. They're the ones causing all the trouble, like 90% of the violent crime in the world.

What a joke he is😅. He's not to be taken seriously. Fucking loser.