Why aren’t more young women into Elizabeth Taylor?

Her filmography may be a reason. She has less beloved films than Audrey and Marilyn.

Fewer!

What’s not to love about Secret Ceremony and Boom!

She didn't have "it". She was beautiful but lacked charisma.

R4 I disagree. Watching her in A Place in the Sun or Giant, she totally had the it factor.

Audrey was a delicate flower and Marilyn had vulnerability. Liz Taylor could take care of herself.

I agree about her film agra fee not being quite as appealing but also she was just so mature and womanly, that doesn’t appeal to young women today. Also she wasn’t vulnerable. By the way I’m leaving the dictation result I got in the first sentence just because it’s so stupid.

R7 I still can’t believe she was a teenager in A Place in the Sun

Elizabeth had an awful sounding voice.

R9 And Marilyn didn’t?

It just shows how fleeting fame is. Liz was the biggest female movie star in the world at one time, but she’s not talked about much today.

I think there were distasteful things about her life - the multi multi marriages, her mercenary nature (the jewelry collection scored from slews of men), the drinking… the fat. Those things are written about as much as her films or face, and they’re kind of a turnoff. Her excesses were kind of gross and hard to identify with.

R12 They make her more human if anything.

[quote]Elizabeth had an awful sounding voice

Yes, indeed, R9. Last month I pulled up a documentary about Nazi concentration camps, "narrated" by Orson Welles and La Liz. Welles was fine, if a bit pompous; but Liz? OMFG, that SCREECH! Those line readings!

Took me right out of the damned thing; I couldn't even get through half of it. And I'm a person who can tolerate Christina Haake (of HGTV infamy), and adores Nicole Curtis (DIY Network).

Liz lived to a reasonable old age and got fat at some point. Marilyn died while in youthful beauty - easier to mythologize her,

Liz was really bitchy about Marilyn’s death, seeing it only in relation to herself.

A writer classified Taylor as “a legend” but Monroe as “a myth.”

Taylor lit into him and said, “I was ten times prettier than her and certainly a better actress. What do I have to do to become a myth, die by my own hand??”

What a cunt. It’s that underlying selfishness that hasn’t aged well.

Liz saved millions of gay men’s lives.

Did she shut the door?

Who cares about what girls like? Gay men love La Liz! I don't care at all for Audrey Hepburn. What a bore.

Young girls do not admire any of the three.

I think it's because of her later years where she was seen as tacky and a tabloid target. Audrey had a more classy and private image while Marilyn created a mystique by dying young

She doesn’t have a Gentleman Prefer Blondes or Roman Holiday in her filmography. A Place in the Sun is probably her most beloved classic film, and that’s a dark story.

Gentlemen*

She was a Fat Whore.

One can immediately feel emotional connection with Audrey and Marilyn. They spoke to the soul. Liz, although very beautiful was a colder presence.

The Elizabeth they know is a fat old lady. Audrey stayed thin and elegant. Marilyn died before she got fat too.

I know a few woman that idolize Audrey, and her timeless look. Elizabeth dressed for shit- she went though every fad, and aged like hell.

Too fat.

Too hairy.

R16 She was right. Makes me love her more.

Liz's loyalty to Michael Jackson is seen as problematic today.

Elizabeth was the most famous woman in the entire world for a good portion of her life. She was also the richest and won every award and fucked every man she wanted. She was adored and worshipped by more people than that of Marilyn and Audrey combined. While she may not be the most idolized( I don't think any young woman idolizes Marilyn anyway, she is just viewed as this sad and mysterious figure) , that doesn't make her fame fleeting like r11 said.

[quote] Liz's loyalty to Michael Jackson is seen as problematic today.

Why?

Most young women these days are not into these three dead broads, if you must know, OP

I think Elizabeth spent too much time chasing a big pay day than good parts. Definitely the case with Richard Burton.

R31, most famous yes. Idolized and worshipped, hardly.

Although Liz was considered chubby in her day she is very svelte today. Look at chubette icons like Lena Dunham and Lizzo(yuck!). At least Liz was fabulous looking and chic. The other two look like their dresses come from old huge curtains from old movie theaters. Liz was pleasantly plump at her worst those others are land whales at their best.

Elizabeth wasn't chic. I can remember 2 times she looked fabulous - once at the Oscars, in the lavender dress with the huge diamond and the other was when she was with Larry at her BD party in a sequined jacket. 99% of the time she just wore the wrong or inappropriate things. Not counting movie wardrobes.

I don't think women were ever that into Liz. She was a man's woman. Audrey and Marilyn were women's women.

That blowsy busty look with pancake makeup is like their grandmothers ' look. She also did not have a sense of fashion, just expensive stuff. Bo.ring.

R37 Bullshit. She looked fucking fabulous when she did the Diamonds commercials and when she did premieres. She also wore amazing jewelry. Not to mention her uniquely beautiful violet eyes. The women of today make Liz look like a virgin in comparison and currently have no sense of style.

Elizabeth came from a privileged background. She grew up with both parents to care for her and wealthy benefactors who helped her with her acting career. Marilyn and Audrey didn’t have that stability and both were rejected by their fathers. That created sympathy in the minds of the public. People like a rags-to-riches, Cinderella type of story. Since most moviegoers aren’t rich, they identify more with someone who started with little, struggled, then finally achieved success. They can’t really relate to someone who was given nearly everything you could want.

Elizabeth was a humanitarian later in life, but before that she had a persona that seemed remote and materialistic. Marilyn and Audrey seemed warmer, vulnerable, and more approachable, so it’s not a surprise that people find them more appealing.

Another thing to note is that while all three were guilty of having flings (few in Hollywood were faithful), Elizabeth technically was a known homewrecker because her affairs with Fisher and Burton ended their marriages. The Taylor-Burton affair in Rome was scandalous enough that the Vatican denounced her for “erotic vagrancy.” Yves Montand, JFK, and William Holden stayed with their wives.

I feel like she kind of is through Cleopatra. All the makeup tutorials and costumes are based on Liz.

Great article on Elizabeth's fashion. The Oscar dress is at the end.

Cecil Beaton on Liz:

[quote] “She’s everything I dislike. I have always loathed the Burtons for their vulgarity, commonness and crass bad taste, she combining the worst of U.S. and English taste.

[quote]"I treated her with authority, told her not to powder her nose, to come in front of the cameras with it shining. She wanted compliments. She got none.

[quote]'Don’t touch me like that,' she whined! Her breasts, hanging and huge, were like those of a peasant woman suckling her young in Peru. On her fat, coarse hands more of the biggest diamonds and emeralds... And this was the woman who is the greatest 'draw'. In comparison everyone else looked ladylike."

Even in her prime her style was boring and frumpy. If someone told you to dress like her for Halloween you would get old lady Hamster hair wig and gaudy jewelry.

I love Elizabeth, but still posted about her tacky taste. She always wanted that extra bow or ruffle. With jewels like hers, clothes should be simple and no prints are best. Like her friend Wallis.

That doesn't mean she wasn't fabulous in her AIDS charity or a fun person to be around.

Do young women even know Liz? Images from Breakfast at Tiffany's are everywhere, from posters to wall clocks. Marilyn's legend has endured, too.

And Liz' look in her prime doesn't read modern. Audrey with her up dos and dramatic sunglasses is timeless. Marilyn had a similar look to Liz, but it comes across differently in platinum blond.

Liz was boring on screen and trashy off. She also didn't have any iconic movie roles like Marilyn in Some Like It Hot or Audrey in Breakfast at Tiffany.

Aside from Cleopatra (a film which isn’t particularly well remembered these days), I just don’t think she had any majorly ICONIC roles. Marilyn and Audrey did, and ones that still still get referenced today. I think it could be that.

She lived too long; no mystery.

"Why aren’t more young women into Elizabeth Taylor?"

Cause elder DLers are keeping Liz for themselves.

She was a whore, with a used up pussy.

Monroe, mostly due to her death, has been an icon for years, Hepburn is only an iconic image due to, mostly, photographs of her looking chic re Breakfast at Tiffanys. As someone said, she is mostly a poster, I doubt the majority of young people know much about either or their movies (especially Hepburn’s).

Liz was a better actress than either of than. Maybe she is not teen bedroom iconic, but she had great roles and memorable movies, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, Virginia Woolf and A Place in the Sun, to name a few. I particularly love her in Suddenly Last Summer.

She threw herself at life, going through men, food, booze, cigarettes, money and horrible flashy clothes and jewels. And with her heart in the right place. I don’t know about young girls but she’s a gay man’s dream, what’s not to like.

Liz wasn't a great actress, she was ok, but not great.

[quote]R47 Marilyn had a similar look to Liz, but it comes across differently in platinum blond.

Monroe was also photographed in a lot of casual clothes like trousers, or nude. She didn’t like much jewelry. That gives a lot of the images of her a more modern, timeless look; a beach towel vs. Dior’s dated New Look. So that helps some viewers identify with her more.

Liz didn't give a shit, was brave, got fat, loved sex, and refused to apologize for ANYTHING. That's why younger people don't get her--they apologize for everything and aren't even sure what gender they are. Plus, she adored PLEASURE. Oh dear--not THAT!!!!

As for no iconic roles...uh...."Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" "National Velvet"?

Grow up, people.

She's a bore and a hag

Because we're not trannies

In fairness, both were just as slutty as Liz.

Did Liz turn people of by befriending Michael Jackson? How did she not know when we all did?

Girls worship Swift, Lana Del Rey or, the ones without taste, Lizzo, Cardi B and Minaj. Some girls into vintage do like Liz, but there was something girlish and timeless about MM and Hepburn which makes them more popular with the vintage crowd.

Weren’t Michael Jackson’s cosmetic surgeries modelled on looking like Liz? If I had a friend who did that….they wouldn’t be my friend for long. How creepy is that?

She was far too hairy.

Because to young women this is Elizabeth Taylor

[quote]r60 Did Liz turn people of by befriending Michael Jackson? How did she not know when we all did?

She was not a woman known for her intelligence, beyond acute survival skills.

Why can’t more modern women follow the lead of Marie Dressler, I always say.

It might also be that, while I’m not deeply interested in Taylor (she’s too superficial and lacks any drop of spiritual quality), Monroe’s and Hepburn’s vibes and looks are more attainable, even though of course both were better looking naturally than 95% of the population. Hepburn was a sleek, almost boyish pixie and Monroe was peroxide and lipstick. Those are things one can work on.

Liz had a fairly perfect face, unusual eyes and very dramatic coloring. You can’t really fake all that. So if I were a woman I might look at Liz and admire her face, but also feel she’s in some other realm I can’t identify with.

Liz was also a pretty awful actress in at least half her movies. So even if a younger woman chanced to happen upon a movie of hers, she might well turn it off.

Liz Taylor wasn’t an awful actress. These comments are bizarre.

It is kind of surprising, OP - Liz was seen as a vain, selfish bitch long before it was acceptable and fashionable, but our culture (and its celebrities) is centered on those qualities today. Kardashians or Rihanna, anyone?

For instance, after Mike Todd died in a plane crash, it was like 6 weeks later when she started screwing the awful and very married Eddie Fisher. When called out on it by a gossip columnist, Liz retorted, "Well what am I supposed to do? Sleep alone?"

The idea that "younger" women know about the old, fat version of Elizabeth Taylor and reject her on that basis is bizarre. Young vis-a-vis Nancy Pelosi, maybe! I work at a college and talk with a lot of students and I am pretty sure the students have NO IDEA who she was at any stage of her life. Why would they? At one time, some young women may have been aware of her as this weird old white lady who was friends with Michael Jackson, but he's been dead for over 13 years. Today's young women MAYBE know her as a name from the past and that's it. Yes, they may see iconic pictures of Monroe and Hepburn, but doesn't mean they really know anything about them. If they know anything re Marilyn it's "slept with JFK" and died young. They haven't seen Some Like it Hot or Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. I don't think they know anything about Audrey at all.

She was a good actress when she had a decent director and script. Elizabeth sleep-walked through a bunch of garbage for the money.

She wasn't mysterious and didn't die tragically. And Marilyn also has the benefit of having some fake quotes attributed to her that enable all those brainless, dumb fraus. So naturally Marilyn is more loved.

Well said R41..Taylor was the superstar that the public love to hate, she was never worshipped or loved. Like a trainwreck and national enquirer come to life.

People comment that Monroe is only a super icon because she passed away young. Truth is if BOTH taylor and monroe had passed on the same day, Monroe would still have got more attention and press around the world. Taylor was while very famous for years, was only "white hot"fame from roughly 1959 to 1962 during Marilyn's lifetime, whereas Marilyn was "white hot" famous from 1953 to 1962.....

R53.. as far as those who say that Taylor was a better actress than Monroe? Do tell, could taylor have done ANY of the roles that Monroe did, in comedies and musicals? NO! Whereas I could totally see Monroe doing Taylor's roles. The only role that taylor could have done of monroe's is "the misfits"...

[quote]R68 Liz Taylor wasn’t an awful actress. These comments are bizarre.

My mom wanted me to watch Butterfield 8 with her last week. I warned her it was a terrible movie.

Afterwards she said, “She’s so bad in this.” And this is a role Taylor won an Oscar for!

She’s good in a scant handful of films where the writing is strong and the character aligns with her own personality. But if ANY of us made 100 movies starting at age 6, we’d be good in a few of them, too.

Jealousy is the answer. Most women can not relate to Elizabeth Taylor's beauty and prestige.

How does she have more prestige than any other star?

Marilyn's blonde hair has a lot to do with her popularity. American women are fascinated with blonde hair.

As far as acting, IMO, neither MM nor AH had a role or movie like Liz in "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?"

Liz had a great face (some say a weak chin), big chest & tiny waist (when younger, at least). The lower half of her body wasn't as great. She had that huge diamond ring, but her hands & fingers were not the best showcase.

Left to her own devices, Liz had terrible fashion sense.

But - Liz had a very, very confident air (without being arrogant, IMO). She was used to having all eyes on her.

Liz was a sybarite and I'd like to live like her for a couple of weeks.

r73 Is a moron speaking from his ass. At no point Monroe was more popular than Liz when they were alive.

Quigley's list of top box office stars put Liz Taylor in the top bracket and above Monroe almost all the time when Monroe was alive. That list was to gauge the stardom and for which star the audiences are willing to spend their money to watch their movie.

Because she was a pig, extremely vulgar to boot, styleless, and obnoxious. Her prime lasted 5 minutes, and all her men were ugly .

Because she got fat, her marriages failed, and her kids were fucked up?

R80 No one under 50 even knows that stuff! Do you think even the minority of young women who like the Breakfast at Tiffany's photos of AH know about her kids?

Is everyone on this thread 100 years old?

young women aren't into Audrey anymore, she doesn't read "victim of patriarchy". Young women are into Marilyn and Natalie

I agree with the poster who said she doesn’t have a Roman Holiday or Breakfast at Tiffany’s. Her best movies - Virginia Woolf, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, A Place in the Sun - are downers. I think the comedies and musicals of the 50s have endured in the public conscious a lot more than the melodramas.

I like her more than Audrey or Marilyn even if her filmography isn’t as consistent.

Is it true that a lot of people (especially women) like and relate to Marilyn because she wasn't stick thin?

R79 Not Michael Wilding! He was very debonair andcsonethung of a matinee idol in his salad days. The two boys she had with him were gorgeous. The rest were trolls.

^* and something of a

no R84, that's not the reason. They really genuinely loved her. Cinema still had some magic and she was the fragile goddess, the waif from the forsaken orphanage who had become a goddess. She was sold as the most beautiful girl in the world and they were buying it. Remember she made jeans fashionable for women

[quote] Is it true that a lot of people (especially women) like and relate to Marilyn because she wasn't stick thin?

I don’t think that’s it. Her waist was actually small.

The main reasons people like Marilyn is because she was pretty, curvy, and mentally ill.

There were only two epitomizes of Movie Stardom in the 20th century before people like Julia Roberts came along & they we're Joan Crawford and Elizabeth Taylor. No one else really had their status as Movie Stars.

Maybe a few back in the dark ages of film, (the silent) era. But talking about from the 30s upwards. It was Crawford & Taylor.

I'd put Katherine above both.

Katherine Heigl?

R78.. I could say the say thing about you talking out your ass! the Quigley poll is always suspect as far as box office stars and their worth.... Secondly, it wasn't just about box office, but press coverage, public interest, interview and photographed requests and sessions and so on to gauge the fame of someone, and monroe was white hot fame for a decade while taylor was as I stated earlier was only "white hot fame" for roughly the last 3 years of Marilyn's life.... By the time, taylor was marilyn's age of her death at age 36 in 1968, taylor's box office appeal was dwindling big time, she became "stunt casting"....

But since your entire basis of a argument is that Quigley poll.. let's break it down shall we?..

1953 the first year of monroe's super stardom: marilyn is listed, taylor is not 1954: marilyn is listed, taylor is not 1955: neither is listed 1956: marilyn is listed, taylor is not 1957: neither is listed 1958: taylor is listed, monroe is not 1959: neither is listed, which I find pretty hard to believe, since Some Like it Hot was one of the biggest movies of the year starring monroe. Perhaps just this fact questions the validity of the Quigley Poll? 1960, 1961, 1962: taylor is listed, monroe is not...

the last 3 years 60 to 62 proves my point in that time span, that taylor at the time was white hot famous, REACHING Marilyn's level of white hot fame that Marilyn had enjoyed since 1953....

Taylor, after growing up in the studio system, attained an uncommon power over those same studios after going independent. She was the envy of every actor and actress in the business because of that power. She exploited her scandals and made them work for her to the tune of millions when other film actors were still making a few hundred thousand per film, with few exceptions. She played hard ball with the best of them, and she possessed a hell of a business mind. She was no fool. Virginia Wolf is the film which many point to as being the one in which the old Hollywood way of film making segued into the new - note the graphic language, adult situations, and realism of the film. This was 1966. If you've ever watched the documentary about her love affair with jewels, you would have noted that the man from Bulgari, being Bulgari himself, insisted that it was she who purchased those jewels and told the world they were gifts from Buton to give the provenance which equates to increased value later on. Note: that giant 70 carat pear shaped diamond was bought for 1 mill and then sold mid 1970s for 5 mill. There is much to appreciate about this legedary presence in the world beyond her beauty, her films, and her personal life. No other famous woman comes close in comparison with what Liz served us during her lifetime. Those things which you are crticizing her about are also the same things which separate her from the rest. It's just a simple fact that she attained a level of super stardom only shared by a few others. Her fortune was intact when she passed on. She died hella rich.

^^ OP?

I hate these comparison threads when it’s just the OP’s excuse to ramble on about their favorite fem crush.

She made more from the perfumes than acting. That's how she got rich.

Because she was considered tacky and not chic. Plus, she was fat most of her adult life, the ultimate cardinal sin.

She made that stinky White Diamonds perfume that their grannies wore.

@R70

"I work at a college!"

R16, you read that in Kitty Kelly's biography. That's not a reliable source.

Elizabeth Taylor fought for our lives regarding AIDS. She was there, in the homophobic 1980s, when others ignored and deserted us. She helped to establish AmFar, and her own charity.

She left $300 million dollars to AIDS causes after her death. Millions of gay men, like myself, survived because of her efforts. She was a humanitarian.

R99, Huh? Is it so hard to believe someone works at a college and actually interacts with people not on Social Security? Or am I missing the joke?

I was just at the soda fountain the other day and heard a bobby-soxer say "that Elizabeth Taylor sure is pretty, but I still say she can't hold a candle to Hedy Lamarr".

R103, I agree with that person.

OP 100% Liz lived too long and too recently. Plus there are many photos of her during her 1970s super fat years all over the Internet and no one worships a fat lady in her mid-50s.

R105, If you google her and look at the leading images that come up, almost all of them are from when she was young and beautiful. I realize different people get different search results, but I think this would still be true for most. I just tried reaching on Bing -which I don't use- and it 's the same. But of course, YOUNG women are not searching and finding these images BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF HER.

R14. One interviewer asked Taylor what she liked least about herself and she said "my voice". I was impressed she knew. She always sounded like she was one register away from yelling which is why "Virginia Woolf" is one of her best movies.

I am disconsolate when I reflect that so many of today's young women look up to that hussy Clara Bow, instead of Lillian Gish who is a far superior actress and an altogether more refined beauty.

The main reason is that younger folk are generally only interested in influencers and current trends, and the pernicious poison that is the Kardashians and their ilk.

She was no Linda Lavin.

R108 what about me? I was so fabulous Irene Mayer suggested Daddy give his Austrian import Hedy my last name, albeit with a different spelling. Yet now, nobody fucking knows me.

She was such a beautiful child, and peaked beauty wise at around 18, when she made A Place In The Sun. It was a slow decline after that.

Gay men loved Elizabeth Taylor because she was all about sloppiness and excess and giving in to desire.

Audrey Hepburn was all about discipline and refusal. That's why young girls have loved her and continue to love her.

R112 Not necessarily. I think she was at her most beautiful when she filmed Suddenly, Last Summer.

I love all the silent movie stars who met sordid, tragic ends. Babs La Marr, Wally Reid, Mabel, Olive. The next generation was so square.

R5

Or even her early film, National Velvet. All you can do is look at her -- such amazing beauty and spirit. She gave many good performances and was very charismatic.

R16

What she said was true. She was prettier and a much better actress than Marilyn Monroe.

R96

Woody Allen made more from real estate than directing. That's how he got rich. A lot of wealthy people in the entertainment industry have side ventures.

R74

[quote]My mom wanted me to watch Butterfield 8 with her last week. I warned her it was a terrible movie.

Afterwards she said, “She’s so bad in this.” And this is a role Taylor won an Oscar for!

Taylor didn't like her performance BUtterfield 8. She joked that she got the Oscar for that film because she'd been very ill -- she was given a tracheotomy -- and hadn't died. It was a consolation prize.

The lavender 1970 Oscar dress.

Elizabeth may not have been an intellectual, exactly, but she was definitely a thinker.

"How can I say to my son, you can't smoke pot, and I have said it by the way, when I know that we're drinking martinis and they're killing our livers and we're smoking cigarettes and they might give us cancer?"

Her looks were dated, even when she was still young in the 60s. She looked like an old woman very early in her career.

As someone said, actors aren't remembered as much as who they were as what they did. Taylor was a super celebrity but her movies aren't watched much any more. Cleopatra anyone? Audrey Hepburn made some of the most popular movies of her era, from My Fair Lady to Breakfast at Tiffany's -- movies people still love. You can't be remembered if your movies aren't.

Monroe is one of the very few exceptions to this because she was more than a celebrity, she became an icon. Her movies didn't matter as much as her life.

The only others I can think of who totally transcend their movies are ... hmmm... Judy Garland, for instance, will nerve be forgotten because of The Wizard of Oz but even if that fades her memory will continue due to her iconic status.... Mae West? Although she's mostly forgotten. Hmm...

I watch A Place In The Sun at least once a year, but I'm a film geek.

She's wonderful in Giant. So human and full of charisma. You understand why Rock is so drawn to her.

[quote] Elizabeth was the most famous woman in the entire world for a good portion of her life. She was also the richest

***AHEM***

You can't turn yourself into a Liz. Her beauty was something she was born with, and some of it was genuinely freakish--the intensely colored eyes and the double eyelashes (aka distichiasis). You could admire her or lust after her, but you couldn't be her.

Audrey was different. She turned herself into a great beauty icon by dieting to the point of starvation, practicing ballet, and dressing fashionably. All that is a young girl's control if they want to emulate a female movie star, but being born with "violet" eyes and distichiasis are genetic mutations and cannot be willed to happen as a teenager.

Elizabeth's Cat on a hot tin roof isn't any less watched than any of Audrey's movies.

Yes it is

R122, in what year do you think Elizabeth's looks first started to go downhill?

R30 - definitely by the time she made Cleopatra. Her 'look' was not made for the 1960s. She looked like an old, fat clown.

She was getting jowly by the time of A Date With Judy (1948)

Liz was at her most beautiful in IVANHOE (1952).

Even facially she didn’t have the type of features that are so valued today - the chiseled cheekbones and jawline, an actual chin.

At times, she had 3 or 4 chins.

Anyone agree that Elizabeth and Madonna are similar?

She isn't so beautiful to me (no chin or exquisite bone structure), wonderful eyes but that's about it. She also aged quickly and badly, Audrey and Marilyn have iconic still photos (of them in their prime) that young women put on their walls, Liz has none. It's really about visuals and how well they age.

Her style didn't age well either.

I don’t think women find Liz beautiful. My mother and sisters never thought she was attractive, but they all agree that MM and Audrey were.

That mole on her cheek was distracting.

Only the queens on DL would say that Elizabeth Taylor wasn't attractive 😂

Elizabeth Taylor was a fucking beauty. That image of her in a slip standing in the doorway in CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF. How many young straight boys jacked off to that? Late 1960s is when she started aging out of that look.

Someone who might have been even more beautiful is Ava Gardner. My God, she was perfect.

Neither MM or AH was EVER considered to be the most beautiful woman in the world like Elizabeth Taylor was...

She was covered in fine, black hair. Just imagine her pussy!

Pink and black

[quote]Why aren’t more young women into Elizabeth Taylor?

Oh, dear.

[quote]Neither MM or AH was EVER considered to be the most beautiful woman in the world like Elizabeth Taylor was...

Tastes change. Liz looks dated now while MM and AH have a timeless and modern quality.

R146, why do you think MM and AH look timeless and ET doesn't?

How is it that you know young women “aren’t into Elizabeth Taylor”?

DL gets more bizarre every day. And there’s even discussion about something that isn’t either real or confirmed by any reputable source.

Yes, Audrey is skinny inspiration. I was a dumpy teen and then stayed up and watched Sabrina with my mom one night. My life changed. I stopped eating and started practicing my eye makeup. A few years later life improved. I understood the little black dress and stayed away from patterns. You guys are totally right.

There WAS a time, maybe 20 or 30 years ago, when women were saying that Marilyn (Marylin?) was "full figured." And then people would argue back that that was in no way true, that she was tiny. Anyway, that ideas was out there in the world. But yes, MM is stunningly beautiful.

I don't know what the problem is with Elizabeth Taylor. You guys hit on a lot of good possibilities. I also looked her up and she doesn't always look amazing. Maybe she looks better in color and the other two look better in black & white? She's pretty and iconic, but not a look you would try to emulate. Yes, I think guys dug her. It's an interesting question.

Her beauty is timeless- it’s much more than her eyes. The configuration and proportions of her nose and mouth perfectly align with her extraordinary eyes. In person she was even more ravishing than pics. She had another stretch of beauty after her youth from about age 54 into her early 60s when she got sober and lost a lot of weight. I saw her in person during this phase and she was quite something- and she was tiny- about 5 ft.

Women don't find her attractive. She's vulgar.

R140 Seriously. She was stunning.

Marilyn needed surgery and a makeover to become the sex symbol she was. Liz was all natural.

Marilyn was a cute girl don’t get me wrong, but she wouldn’t be idolized if she kept this look.

Can you imagine what Elizabeth would have looked like if she hadn't had a facelift and skin cut off after losing 100 pounds?

Liz was already stunning at that age, but it’s true her look doesn’t really read as modern. Although I don’t think Audrey’s does either? Her fashion does but not her beauty. Only Marilyn looks like a modern beauty.

Audrey also had to get surgery and a makeover to become the beauty icon she was.

See here

Liz was a natural beauty.

Liz was reported to be an awesome fuck. Burton said that she was rare as rare were women who were truly good in bed. He also said that naked, she was more beautiful than all the pornography in history - or some such shit. Mike Todd said that any minute she spent out of bed was "wasted. Totally wasted."

She was a whore.

I have nothing against Marilyn but I'm curious to know how her looks are modern...

Could someone please explain?

R162 She has a timeless look.

It is too bad. I notice they always ignore the hellscape that was the 80s and AIDS, for which she was one of the biggest and kindest stars to support us in those dark years.

They could do a remake of BUTTERFIELD 8, but make her an only fans ho.

I do too R124. She was so glorious in the white net dress with the velvet violets.

Shelley is also wonderful as her opposite.

Lindsey Lohan didn't do a good enough job telling them about her.

I don't think anyone disagrees that Elizabeth wasn't a great humanitarian. Doesn't mean she couldn't still be a drunk who let herself go.

I've always thought most of Marilyn's hairstyles in the 1950's and 1960's looked very dated. Too short for the most part.

The only time she wore it long during her famous days was in 1957 and she didn't film a movie that year to properly preserve it. Why didn't she film a movie that year?

I have heard younger people say she had "grandma hair ", saying it was too short and curly.

Anyone know why she didn't wear her hair longer more often?

Liz was just not as likeable as Marilyn and Audrey. She was a homewrecker, a husband stealer. She was tough, selfish and avaricious. Not nearly as appealing as the vulnerable Marilyn or the classy Audrey.

What I want to know is, why are Liz's later films so hard to find? I'm dying to see "Boom!" for example but it's not streaming anywhere.

R45, why was she considered to be the world's most beautiful woman in her prime then?

Wasn’t Marilyn super jealous of Liz towards the end of her life?

Miss Taylor, is there some message you'd like to convey to your haters in this thread?

R171?

That may be true, R170, and the entire world called Liz every name in the book. They talked trash about the way she led her personal life, but then they always said "I can't wait to see what she does next!"

[quote]R152 Seriously. She was stunning.

Hollywood has always been filled to overflowing with stunning actresses.

Only a few made deep impact far beyond their eras, however.

Liz is left limping in that department.

R174, and that's why younger people aren't interested in Liz. A fatty giving the finger. Such class

R171 you mean Secret Ceremony?

Liz got fat and bloated. She was a slob when she was with Burton. Marilyn and Audrey never looked that haggard. Men and women often do not agree on what is attractive.

Utterly meaningless to call a hairstyle from 70 years ago "dated". I just looked up a pic of MM in her prime and I don't think anyone would mistake her for a granny. What idiocy.

Liz made VERY bad movies after her initial hits with Burton. She became something of a joke until she redeemed herself briefly with “The Little Foxes” on Broadway a few decades later. Her follow up to this promising career move was to be drunk, bloated, disorderly, and just plain bad in “Private Lives” on stage. Her professional reputation went straight in the toilet again.

Just too many bad pics of Liz floating around. Interest in past stars isn't as deep as we think, it's mostly about style and well styled and posed photographs.

Where all these bad photos of Liz? When you google Elizabeth Taylor, these are the first images that pop up.

Don’t be dense R184.

Gladiator!

Marilyn and Audrey were weak and twee, respectively.

That seems to be what GenZ goes for.

I agree she seemed bland . I don’t like Aubrey either

Because Taylor doesn't have an iconic image attached to her name. Monroe has the blonde hair and skirt blowing image and Hepburn has the black gloves Breakfast at Tiffany's image that can be immediately associated with her.

Elizabeth Taylor doesn't have that.

How are all of the posters here experts on what “young women” think?

R190 I’m the OP. I’m a 24 year old female, that’s why I asked.

OP, young women aren’t into any of those people. They’re into the Kardashians.

R192 Lots of young women are into Marilyn, she’s a pop culture icon. Same with Audrey but to a lesser extent. Whereas with Liz, young women are only into her if they’re cinephiles.

Madonna was more beautiful than all 3 of those women combined

R194 = LOL no Madge you weren't

Are young women into Audrey Hepburn? I do get Marilyn Monroe, who was just different and also died young, which changes everything, but Audrey? Really?

R196 Her movies are very popular with women, even those that are not into old movies.

Watch her in ELEPHANT WALK. Her beauty is almost obscene in that film. It always makes me chuckle when the old majordomo gets dispatched by the elephants. I’m twisted like that. But I love this movie. And Dana Andrews was still hot before the booze wrecked his looks.

No. She was never really beautiful at all. 🙄

Thanks so much, R75. I watched some of it today. Certainly is fun to look at, and to watch Liz swan around.I I wonder how that line “shit on your mother!” went over with audiences in 1968.

You're welcome, pal.

- R175

She ruined herself and has no one to blame.

Oh yeah - R175 has the link to Boom! (Not R75). Now can anyone direct me to the one where she has plastic surgery? I forget the name.

- R175

Taylor was 35 but looks 45 in "Boom". A hard 45 with makeup that looks like it was applied with a putty knife. That could explain why she doesn't have the Hepburn/Monroe cache with young women today.

True about her look in Boom. Everyone seems to love sweet little old humanitarian Liz. My favorite was blowsy sexy hard drinking 1960s Liz. She was messy but tough and resilient, a dame. I imagine young women identify more with girlish vulnerability.

And thank you for the link to Ash Wednesday, oh boy!

Agree with R4. She was stunning, but very Henry Cavill-like in the personality dept.

R208, what do you mean?

‘Cause she’s dead?!?

Bland personality, R209.

Despite all of her marriages and personal life drama, she didn't seem very interesting when she spoke.

Sometimes she was very interesting when she spoke.

Kevin: You’ve been able to keep your sense of humor through all your illnesses. So, thank God, have gay men through this AIDS epidemic. All those affected by AIDS have shown enormous strength in the face of adversity, but gay men in particular have proven that we’re not as vain and selfish as others have always made us out to be.

Elizabeth: A lot of people are selfish, Kevin.

Kevin: I know that. But we as a sociological group don’t have the institutions that straight people have that assist in alleviating selfishness—child rearing, marriage…

Elizabeth: Marriage can be a very selfish institution.

I went to a benefit luncheon in the late 70s/early 80s for some boxer, Ruta Lee was the MC and Elizabeth was the guest of honor. She showed up an hour late and was wearing a green chiffon pant suit tucked into cowboy boots. Her necklace looked pre-rapper, a thick chain with a gigantic medallion studded with various stones. Surprisingly short and chubby, but it was still a thrill to see her.

[quote]R198 Watch her in ELEPHANT WALK. Her beauty is almost obscene in that film.

But that’s a BAD MOVIE. So no one watches it. No one watches [italic]most [/italic]of her movies because the earlier ones were primarily thin, routine affairs, then after the two best movies she made with Burton she swerved into dreck and TV stuff that was panned right and left.

“The Sandpiper” made money but is dreadful. To a comedic level.

Anyone agree that Madonna comes closest to being this generation's ET?

The scene in The Only Game In Town where Warren Beatty picks up Liz- people were laughing in the theater.

R216, why were people laughing? I haven't seen that movie

Marilyn maybe could’ve played this part, but it would’ve taken her a month to film the final monologue.

[quote]But that’s a BAD MOVIE in my opinion

Fixed. I found it campy but charming. Liz was stunning in those Edith Head gowns.

probably because young women are cunts and feel threatened by la Liz

They hate me ‘cause they ain’t me, that’s why!

R214

Mad Magazine satirized The Sandpiper.

I actually liked this one.

- R175

Liz aged and got older, and she wasnt a smashing old lady. If you google Liz, half of the page are old Liz pics with 80s hair, not peak beauty Liz. Audrey and Marilyn pics on google are when they were at their pretty peak. Even old Audrey— girls will look at her pics and think Im gonna dress like that when I get old. Nobody looks at old 80s Liz and thinks thats my icon!

Of course she aged poorly. She had been a very serious decades long alcoholic and drug addicted hungry chain smoker. But look what happened when she cleaned up. She just didn't care to keep it together. Shrug.

And *THIS!* is what you can legitimately call "timeless."

She was a whore!

R225 well that didn’t help either. In the 80s she was most associated with a cheesy perfume line that was sold at Bamburgers.

That perfume is at Walmart 😂😂😂

Did Elizabeth do anal? Between all the dick and kids, that pussy must have been loose.

R224 _ this is really not true. If you google Elizabeth Taylor almost every picture is from when she was young and beautiful I've tried this on google, yahoo and bing, while in my google account and while logging in anonymously, on different browsers I don't use like Opera etc and it's just not true.

The idea that young women today reject Elizabeth Taylor because she got old and fat or because she made a lot of meh to crappy films (both of which are things that happened) is largely baseless. They haven't seen those movies or those pictures. The idea that details of personal history or personality matter are even more ridiculous.

It would be a more plausible argument to claim that Boomers and some older Gen X ARE familiar with that stuff and they did not keep her legendary status alive, so today's young women never even hear about her. There is something to that. But even that only goes so far. Again, the pictures online are mostly of beautiful Liz. I just think that while she was a striking beauty, overall she is less distinctive-looking than Marilyn and Audrey. Not "less" attractive, but less distinct and iconic.

The default is for stars -no matter how big- to be forgotten. Bob Hope was -for better or worse- an enormous success in every medium for many decades. Even when he became uncool, he drew big ratings for a time. The kids today have no idea who he was, and really, why should they?

Bob Hope sucked. What a cornball.

Mary Pickford is trending.

Most people today are not into anything good.

Elizabeth Taylor was beautiful when she was in the deft and knowing hands of Sydney Guilaroff and Helen Rose at MGM. After that, it was hit-or-miss. It was MGM that made her a legendary beauty.

[quote]What I want to know is, why are Liz's later films so hard to find?

1994's The Flintstones is available for streaming on Amazon Prime, Apple TV and Vudu: Elizabeth Perkins, John Goodman, Rick Moranis & Rosie O’Donnell with Halle Berry, Kyle MacLachlan and Elizabeth Taylor, what more could you ask for?

She managed to pull herself together for her first (and j think only?) Carson show appearance in 1992. She sounds a bit like Minnie Mouse crossed with Jane Fonda

Her getting fat seemed like a betrayal to women who idolized her, hence why Joan Rivers had hundreds of Liz Taylor is fat jokes and why Suzanne Sugarbaker gave that teary monologue about idolizing her in national velvet and then realizing people had no use for her once she gained weight.

She was also exquisite in THE LAST TIME I SAW PARIS. Alongside DL fave Van Johnson and Donna Reed before she became a housewife on television.

Doesn't have an iconic image, R189? Bitch, please!

R232, At one time Bob Hope was actually hip and innovative, hard as it may seem to believe. That's true of him in the 1930s and 1940s. He even did some good work up until early 1960s. Unfortunately, he became a reactionary both in entertainment and political terms and insisted on performing for another 35 years! But anyway he is a good example that even enormous fame almost always dissipates.