New Italian Prime Minister

American Conservative twitter is all in unanimous support, of course.

She gives a speech about the "integrity of the family" and of course the GOP pretends this isn't shaded language for "we hate gays because they're coming for our kids."

The right is offended she's being called fascist.

She seems lovely. /s

I agree with everything. What's the problem?

R4, Thanks Ted Cruz

Your teeny, tiny brain, R4

Globalist billionaires hate her of course. They want to turn the world into a dystopia they control.

All the things she mentions is to distract you from the fact that the economy is in the sewer and she has no solution for it.

The typical: Look over there!

Linda, is that you at r4?

We must comment on this foreign person about whom we know ALMOST nothing.

We must expose our vapid ignorance.

Fascism never works out well.

If you disagree with her on everything, then you're saying:

"No to the natural family, Yes to the LGBT lobby, No to sexual identity, Yes to gender ideology... Yes to Islamist violence, No to secure borders, Yes to mass migration... Yes to big international finance... Yes to the bureaucrats of Brussels!"

No, R13, you're saying that you see through her diversions, propaganda, and general bullshit.

None of those are binary choices, R13. Just fascist othering.

Who is this woman?

I don't know this woman?

Because it worked out so well the last time Italy embraced Fascism...

The LGBT "Lobby" is just asking for equal rights. THAT is what fascists are resisting

The future is Authoritarian govt, period. Citizens get to choose what type: Fascism or Corporatism.

I'm not surprised by the anti lgbt, Italy always has been low key homophobic against gay men.

She looks like a Staten Island manicurist and mistress to a lower order Cosa Nostra soldier😄🤣

This is, after all, the country that elected a porn star to their Parliament, Ilona Staller, a Jeff Koons star fucker.🙄

Italy MUST conform to our ideas because WE are the greatest country on Earth!

DEATH TO FASCISTS!!!!

At least the trains will run on time, that's the important thing.

Death to American Imperialists imposing their thoughts on to others!

[quote] Italy MUST conform to our ideas because WE are the greatest country on Earth!

If it wants EU's money, it needs to conform to the EU rules

This happens because people refuse to recognise the issues people are concerned with. While it may seem that the majority of people need to deal with pronouns and Trans lobby, most people are straight and believe in families. As a Gay man I realise that I am a minority. You don’t lecture the majority and not expect a backlash.

You want to ignore the fears over immigration and globalisation and then yell bigot when people vote out people who don’t address it, go your hardest.

I have no idea how Italians feel but I certainly know in the last 10 years I have become totally disillusioned with Leftist bullshit. I can only imagine what the majority feel.

Fascists don't like being called out.

They have no facts to defend themselves against their own history of bloodshed, murder and death.

Fascists have caused tens of millions of deaths in Europe. Hitler. Mussoliini. Ceaucescu. Erdogan. Franco. Stalin. And the list goes on.

TENS UPON TENS OF MILLIONS DEAD due to fascism.

But keep blaming the "brown" people.

You'll see what you get. And you'll deserve ALL OF IT, Europeans.

Hey, FUCKING CUNT Meloni.

Prepare for your future.

When those ignorant Italians finally see you for who you are, you'll end up just like your predecessor Mussolini.

I can't wait!

I want to see her drag through the streets by wild horses.

Europe always has to learn the hard way, that fascism and authoritarianism is NEVER then answer.

TENS OF MILLIONS DEAD in the 1930's and 1940's because of Europe's turn to fascism.

Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, etc.

Genocide and death. That's all that fascism has brought to the world.

But if this is what Europeans want, then let them have it. And all that comes along with it.

Europeans DESERVE what they get.

Let's just ignore what's been going on in Ukraine for MONTHS.

Ukraine has tons of white supremacists, but it's funny how there's no mention of their white attackers, or their white invaders, or the white people murdering and raping their people.

Yeah. But keep blaming the brown people, Europeans.

You always need someone to blame. EXCEPT FOR YOURSELVES.

R29, and R30 You both seem very angry. Are you Italian?

[quote] This happens because people refuse to recognise the issues people are concerned with. While it may seem that the majority of people need to deal with pronouns and Trans lobby, most people are straight and believe in families.

None of that dominates left ideas. The right keeps amplifying this to make people think this is all the left talks about.

Everyone is concerned about inflation and the economy. You know the right has NO remedy when it keeps hammers on these supposed cultural issues.

Trans is 0.6% of the population. The right pretends it's 50%.

Just like Trump, it's really all about shoveling money to the rich

[QUOTE]Italy MUST conform to our ideas because WE are the greatest country on Earth!

Is this Serbia talking?

The only peaceful countries in Europe have ever been Poland, Switzerland, Finland, and Greece.

All the others have turned to right-wing fascism at one point or another.

Something about Europeans that they just lean towards hatred and fear.

R36 Don't tell Europeans what to think.

The Centre-right UK Spectator on Meloni this week:

"The Italian media, which is mostly left-leaning, usually call both Meloni, her party and her coalition centrodestra rather than 'destra', a word which the Italians apply to actual extremists. That ought to make the outside world think twice before describing Meloni as the heir to Mussolini. That’s not to say the Italian media is well-disposed to her – most of them are not. They are just forced to be more accurate, given that their readers can see and hear every day what Meloni and Brothers of Italy are doing and saying. Italians know through experience who is and is not a fascist."

[QUOTE] Don't tell Europeans what to think.

Europeans can go fuck yourselves.

And don't ask AMERICANS to bail you out, this time.

Every single fucking time, you have asked Americans to give you money and do DIE for your causes.

WWI. WW2. Ukraine.

"Give us money!" "We need help!" "Rescue us!!"

You fucking CUNTS get yourselves into this shit, and then ask AMERICANS to bail you out.

So don't you fucking DARE say to us, "don't tell us what to do."

Because soon enough, after you've created a clusterfuck of war and death on your continent - AGAIN - you'll be begging us for help. AGAIN.

You fucking DOGS.

I would like to think she'll be run out of Dodge (Rome) in 6 to 12 months. But then there's Viktor Orbán in Hungary, so who knows.

R39. So you are American.

So you're an American telling Europeans what to think.

"Pro-family" always means--No gay marriage and pass laws to "protect" children so they never hear about LGBT.

Fuck off, you fucking DOG R41.

When you pay your own motherfucking bills, and send your own motherfucking people to fight and die in your own battles, THEN you can talk.

Until then, EAT CUNT!!!

[quote] So you're an American telling Europeans what to think.

Most Europeans have far more progressive views than Americans.

She sho is ugly

[...]

[quote] I would like to think she'll be run out of Dodge

R40 Oh Erroll, we need you to go to Italy and clean up those dirty little Italians. They need to think American-style.

Give it 2 years. Italians will hate her

What I love about the Left is how they will yell bigot , racist ,fascist etc and actually think that helps people go “ oh wow I will change my mind then” . You have yelled wolf so many times. Ignored real concerns and just yelled bigot when anything is raised outside your comfort zone ,then get surprised when people vote the other way. Again and again and again, you show so much intolerance that you fail to understand that the problem is you . You just stamp your feet and yell bigggggggggot and people think, well I am not but I am arguing with a child so fuck off.

Enjoy your ethnic cleansing, R49.

It's coming soon to Europe.

But this time, who knows?

It'll be the gays. Or the deviants. Or whomever else they decide to attack. Not just the "ethnics."

You fucking ignorant cunts are so stupid. You deserve everything that's coming to you.

But, alas, we’re always correct.

Anything that conflicts with my beliefs is Russian propaganda.

I agree with you, R49, and these intolerant little screamers have the audacity to call themselves "Progressive".

Just don't ask for our help.

EVER.

We Americans have always paid a high price for your European conflicts.

Billions of dollars. Millions of lives.

We're DONE with it. Fucking DONE.

You deal with your own problems from now on.

Hopefully, you'll exterminate each other permanently, and we'll never have to deal with you ever again.

R54 Mary!

“We Americans have always paid a high price for your European conflicts.

Billions of dollars. Millions of lives.” R54

Well in WW1 in Europe Americans lost 104,000 men Ww2 117,000 men. These are huge losses but millions? Russia lost 20 million in ww2 so there is that. But point taken I suppose you got nothing out of WW2 but world power .

This calls for an Andrew Lloyd Weber/Tim Rice musical!

R49, meanwhile your idol Nikki Haley is busy calling people racist for criticizing her. Guess it's okay when the right calls people racist, huh? You guys called Ilhan Omar a racist, too

France had the smarts to reject a racist, far right cunt....why didn't Italy?

I love the tolerance for different viewpoints here. It's like a big family.

I can tell that R59 is seething with anger. I wonder how intolerant people like R59 cope working as an employee.

R60 in 1930s Germany:

"Why are you being so mean to Hitler? You're intolerant! So what if he blames all our problems on Jews, gays, etc"

Putin's agenda. "Brussels" means NATO. She will be a huge problem going forward.

On the plus side, she makes Liz Truss look Churchillian.

Cunt

[quote] On the plus side, she makes Liz Truss look Churchillian.

She makes Hitler look reasonable.

Shame on the NATO folk and the EU for not innoculating the public with their own version of propaganda so that these kinds of assholes would stand no chance.

Watch the Italian movie A Special Day with Sophia Loren, and observe and learn….Except for the sex scene, which I found unlikely, her adulation of Il Duce reminded me of a present day MAGAT…

The Daily Heil glowing refers to her as a pocket dynamo and has daily articles on her that pretty much enthused about how great she is. They are scum.

[quote] They are scum.

I am superior.

[quote] The Daily Heil glowing refers to her as a pocket dynamo and has daily articles on her that pretty much enthused about how great she is. They are scum.

Tells you all you need to know about that trashy tabloid rag.

I'm glad that Muriel banned that shit website from Datalounge.

Good fucking riddance!

Well, they got most of the Jews last time, so maybe her bogeyman this go round will be the gays.

And don't say it couldn't ever happen. Who'd have thought they'd get away with ghettos, camps, and genocide in the 1940s?

Disgusting comparison, R72.

Sophia's younger sister married Mussolini's youngest son. Their daughter is the neo-fascist politician Alessandra Mussolini, who once said, "Better fascist than faggot." Alessandra's unheralded earlier career as a Eurotrash singer began and ended in Japan with the album "Amore" and its highly synthesized nightlife anthem "Tokyo Fantasy."

I like her but his will all end in tears.

[quote] Yes to the natural family, no to the LGBT lobby...

Is she also saying "No" to LGBT tourist dollars from around the world? She needs to clarify. I guess there's always Santorini.

Yay!! Italy elected its first female PM!!!!!

Who will be gone within about year because that's how long Italian governments last. It might help to remember that Italy has had 69 governments since the end of WW2.

This is deeply disturbing. She ran as a fascist and won. She said mussolini was the only great leader in the last 50 years. That is crazy.

[quote] This is deeply disturbing. She ran as a fascist and won. She said mussolini was the only great leader in the last 50 years. That is crazy.

Italians are fucked in the head.

R78 She clearly doesn't know her maths well. Her idol died in April 1945 which is over 75 years ago. I don't recall him ruling anytime in the last 50 years unless he was doing it from the beyond.

[r80]. well be sure to bring this up to them, when they are putting you ass on a TRAIN. I am sure pointing this out to them will be helpful.

This is scary.

Congratulations, Italy!

You've elected a dumb, trashy slut to be your leader.

[quote] his is deeply disturbing. She ran as a fascist and won.

She didn't run as a fascist. Seriously. Have you people read nothing about her at all? Do you know what fascism really is or just some kneejerk ejaculation of the word? It does not mean "you are more conservative than I am."

She is definitely very conservative on social issues. But she agrees with civil unions for gays and for abortion up to 90 days - which is the law in Italy.

The immigration issues are very real in Italy and I don't think it's right wing to want to have a policy about who can migrate to your country.

R83, you're such a Mother Superior. That's very Italian of her. LOL! And very priggish of you.

OMG. She is fugly. If they want a fascist, at least pick a good looking one.

[QUOTE]She looks like a Staten Island manicurist and mistress to a lower order Cosa Nostra soldier😄🤣

In a case like this, one could be assured that THE FBI knew when their puppies shat their business and where...

I love how Miss R54 furiously declares her new US foreign policy. She is DONE, everyone!

Jews are really nervous there right now. They’re saying she’s saying everything but “those men with their little hats.” They can totally read in between the lines when it comes to bankers and those controlling things.

Jews are really nervous there right now. They’re saying she’s saying everything but “those men with their little hats.” They can totally read in between the lines when it comes to her talking about bankers and those controlling things. European Jews remember the fascist movement.

It should be mentioned that she’s like Trump, in that she’s lied about her background, even her education. She lies about everything like a psychopath. She loves Trump too. She grew up in the fascist student wing. She was brainwashed from birth. She moved to get rid of Italy’s celebration of the end of fascism. That’s how much she loves it.

Grassa scrofa!

Did the bot at r89 and r90 malfunction?

[quote] They can totally read in between the lines when it comes to her talking about bankers and those controlling things. European Jews remember the fascist movement.

The Jews of Europe have millennia of experience being scapegoated. This is simply more of the same that occurs weekly in Europe, America. And right here on DL.

Staten Island WON!!! Woo, hoo! Does the bitch do nails, too?

[quote] 2 more arrests in deadly attack during Norway Pride festival

[quote]Two more suspects have been arrested in connection to a deadly shooting during the Norwegian capital’s annual LGBTQ Pride festival

[quote]ABC News

COPENHAGEN, Denmark -- Two more suspects have been arrested in connection with a deadly shooting during the Norwegian capital’s annual LGBTQ Pride festival, police said Monday. The total number of suspects is now at four.

A 42-year-old Norwegian citizen originally from Iran was arrested shortly after the June shootings in Oslo’s nightlife district that killed two people and wounded more than 20. A second Norwegian man in his 40s is being sought, police said Friday.

On Monday, police said two more suspects — a man in his 40s with Somali citizenship and a Norwegian national in his 30s — were arrested Sunday. Both are known to the police, authorities said, adding that they are residents of Oslo.

They faces preliminary charges of “complicity in an act of terrorism,” police said.

The suspect who has not yet been detained, Arfan Bhatti, is believed to be in Pakistan. Norwegian police said that, “to ensure the best possible cooperation with the Pakistani authorities, we had officials from the Oslo police district in Pakistan a short time ago. ”

Bhatti allegedly posted online statements about killing gay people. Media reports said he knew Zaniar Matapour, the main suspect in the June 25 attack that the Norwegian Police Security Service has called an “Islamist terror act.”

Matapour who according to Norwegian media arrived in Norway with his family from a Kurdish part of Iran in the 1990s, faces preliminary charges of murder and attempted murder.

The names of the suspects arrested Sunday were not given.

We're not related. You may keep worshipping my ass, DL.

Re r96 the more you keep pushing we should accept emigration from countries that hate Gay people the more ridiculous you sound.

Open borders means liberal ideas is bullshit. Islam hates Gays and as much as you yell so do Christianity the more I yell who kills the Gays?

Fuck the bullshit Leftists push .eyes open. Leftists push bullshit!!

R96, oh so they're not Italian?

We should ban Italians from entering the US.

Italy should be included on our "Axis of Evil" list, along with North Korea and Iran.

[Quote] She didn't run as a fascist.

No one runs as a fascist—her language however reveals that it’s exactly how she will run the country.

If you hear the dog whistle, you’re probably the dog

[quote] If you hear the dog whistle, you’re probably the dog

She certainly looks like a dog.

[quote] Have you people read nothing about her at all? Do you know what fascism really is or just some kneejerk ejaculation of the word?

We get our news from the Huffington Post , Daily Kos, DataLounge, and the NY Times. If they say she's fascist, it must be true.

R96 I'm afraid some Muslims don't have any place in Western society.

She only won because young people and south italians (aka the poorest italians) refused to vote.

But, R106, why did they refuse to vote?

R107 Because nobody gives a shit about south Italy,not the right and neither the left.That part of the country is considered poor and doesn't produce anything,it is also dominated by criminality and the school/healthcare systems are total disaters so no political party bothers to even try to make the situation better.Local population is not happy about being ignored like this and doesn't care about politic anymore.For the reason why younger italians won't vote I'm not 100% sure but I suppose they gave up caring about the country and plan to move elsewhere soon.

[quote]Well, they got most of the Jews last time, so maybe her bogeyman this go round will be the gays.

That would never happen the Catholic church would collapse if they did that.

[quote] no political party bothers to even try to make the situation better

Well, let's see what Giorgia does.

I am so tired of these fucked up ultra conservative Cunts, uh I mean women. The only reason they can even be in power is do to progressive policies. Women should stay in the house where they belong and leave the smart stuff like voting to the men. That's what true conservatives used to want. And yet these cunts get to break the cycle and then turn on the very people who helped the get free of that.

Cunts. All of them. Looking at you too Miss Cunt of France = Marie Le Pen.

[quote] And don't ask AMERICANS to bail you out, this time.

lol pls.

[quote] Millions of lives.

🫢🫢🫢 girl read some books R54 / R39.

[quote]poster on my Ignored list and the only one that's stayed there the whole time. Why is he still not banned?

Maybe because you're not Empress?

And you think THEY'RE fascist!

Oh the sweet irony.

[quote]girl read some books

You wouldn't have books if the Americans didn't come to your rescue like this on the beaches of Normandy.

You're Welcome.

Normandy is in France, darl.

Different country.

Yes, we know, France is part of EU Dear. The world does not revolve around the UK.

It’s kind of ironic that “family” is one of her platforms in light of Italy’s aged population and low birth rate, which is tied with Japan. The only people having babies are those pesky migrants…

A HUGE percentage of young Italians fresh out of college leave Italy to find work. Just not enough jobs for them. So the end result is immigrants doing grunt work and lots of old people who want to live in the past. Oddly, the Catholic Church participation is way, way down. Younger people under 45 not going anymore. Outsiders think of Italy as super Catholic but it's not that anymore. Yes, lots of churches and architecture but it's all ancient history not current society. It's full of Grandmas or as they say, Nonnas.

[quote] Oddly, the Catholic Church participation is way, way down. Younger people under 45 not going anymore.

Belief in Europe is an integral part of the culture. In Italy as in France, if you are not Catholic you are not considered Italian or French. Patricipation in the accepted trappings of belief, e.g., church, is irrelevant to the milliennium of culturally-entrenched belief.

Fascists ALWAYS gain support by scapegoating and blaming the "others."

It could be Jews, gays, immigrants, etc. Usually a combination.

[quote] It’s kind of ironic that “family” is one of her platforms in light of Italy’s aged population and low birth rate.

"Family" is dog whistle

R120 Uh, not only fascists.

[quote] Fascists ALWAYS gain support by scapegoating and blaming the "others."

ALL POLITICIANS ALWAYS gain support by scapegoating and blaming the "others."

Reality fixed it for you.

Hush, peasants. The Princess of Arizona hath twatted:

[quote]Everyone wants a woman in power until it's a conservative woman in power.

[quote] Everyone wants a woman in power until it's a conservative woman in power.

NO BODY wants a woman for the sake of having just any woman

[quote] NO BODY wants a woman for the sake of having just any woman

Oh, my sides!

Could someone please list down her fascist policies? All I'm seeing is "no gay marriage, only gay civil partnerships" which, for a very Catholic country, seems pretty standard. If that's fascist, then Obama and Hilary were fascists for most of their lives. Same with Biden. Same with saying immigration must be lowered. Hilary in 2008 (I believe) is on video calling for a border barrier, on Obama/Biden actually BUILT one!

Correct R127. The word is thrown around so much it has lost all meaning.

The Brothers of Italy Party have roots in neo-fascism--mainly around nationalism.

This exactly what fascism is--pushing nationalism and, often race, above the individual.

Nowadays, it's about talking in shaded language and using seemingly innocuous words like "family" and "culture" to actually mean ending rights and pushing out others

I hope that Trump grabs her by the cunt!

So? The Democrat party has its roots in the KKK. So much so, that Democrat Party "Great Man" Senator Robert Byrd, who was lauded by Clinton, Obama and Biden at his funeral, was originally voted in when he was publicly at the top leadership of the KKK.

By your logic, r129 all Democrat politicians are members of the KKK because the party was founded and originally formed by people who supported the KKK. See how that works?

If she can stay in government for two years and kick all the Muslim migrants out of the country, she will do something good for Italy and the EU. On immigration she's not really saying anything different than what the center left gov in Denmark and now the gov in Sweden, that lost last week to the far right says.

Former Italian PM Matteo Renzi, a liberal, has told CNN that as much as he disagrees with Meloni, to call her a "fascist" is "absolutely fake news" and that she poses no risk to democracy.

[quote] By your logic, [R129] all Democrat politicians are members of the KKK because the party was founded and originally formed by people who supported the KKK. See how that works?

Doesn't work that way AT ALL. The Dems today don't talk in shaded language about repressing Blacks. They have left their racist background behind. The Brothers in Italy still keep their nationalistic stance and blame their country's problems on outsiders.

And, no, all Democratic politicians weren't members of the KKK. The Southern Democrats were conservative and racist. They ultimately became the base of today's Republican party. See how that works?

That "The party switched places" bit is most a-historical pathetic cope I've ever heard. No they didn't.

Also, it's not good enough.

By your own earlier 'logic', any adherent of any party is forever guilty by association to the foundations of that party. Which means Democrats are all KKK-adjacent. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

[quote] That "The party switched places" bit is most a-historical pathetic cope I've ever heard. No they didn't. Also, it's not good enough.

Except that's exactly what happened. President Johnson predicted as much when he signed the Civil Rights Law--he famously said, Democratic Party may “have lost the South for a generation.” And he was right.

Until then, the South was reliably Democrat...and then it turned Republican

[quote] By your own earlier 'logic', any adherent of any party is forever guilty by association to the foundations of that party. Which means Democrats are all KKK-adjacent. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

No, you're not following the logic. The Italian Party she represents STILL clings to its views about immigrants and such. There has been no real change except that it has softened it's language for a modern world to gain votes.

Dems have completely changed and become the champion of minority groups.

The Civil rights law that was voted in by Republicans and not by Democrats? That civil rights law?

I know you want them to have switched places. I know you need that to feed your sense of identiry. But they didn't.

"Verdict: True

While the landmark act received a majority of support from both parties, a greater percentage of Republicans voted in favor of the bill. Throughout the 1950s and ’60s, Republicans were generally more unified than Democrats in support of civil rights legislation, as many Southern Democrats voted in opposition."

Trump used the exact same fascist dog whistles--Mexicans are rapists; immigrants are taking your jobs. And voila, he has a cult following of white supremacists.

[quote] The Civil rights law that was voted in by Republicans and not by Democrats? That civil rights law?

It was a bipartisan legislation but the Dixiecrats (conservative Southern Dems) were against it. In response, they became Republicans and pulled the rest of the GOP in a very conservative direction. This was solidified when Reagan brought in the Evangelicals

If she and her party are "fascist" then why does her liberal political rival Matteo Renzi insist that she is not a fascist and that the party poses no threat to Democracy in Italy? I think if anyone ought to know, it would be a liberal former PM of Italy.

Blacks had traditionally voted GOP (The Party of Lincoln), but as the GOP got more racist, they fled to the Dems, affecting Dem policies.

[quote] If she and her party are "fascist" then why does her liberal political rival Matteo Renzi insist that she is not a fascist and that the party poses no threat to Democracy in Italy? I think if anyone ought to know, it would be a liberal former PM of Italy.

Because that's exactly what all politicians say just after an election,

After Trump got election, Hillary said something like "I will work with him to help America," not, he's going to stage a coup.

R138, I'm guessing you're not American because you seem to have no understanding of American history

He's on video insisting that she and her party are not fascist. He's only the former PM of Italy. But I'm sure YOU know better, opinionated American, right?

R145, Ahhh, as suspected you're not American--as shown from your poor attempts to explain American history.

And yes, she's a fascist, and her speeches and policies prove it. Thankfully, Italian governments last about a year so she'll be out soon enough.

What another politician says is irrelevant, He's making a public relations statement and that's it.

I wonder what “Yes to sexual identity” actually means.

If Matteo Renzi has declared she is not a fascist while you keep on insisting that she is a fascist (without even listing any of her "fascist policies", by the way) that's your problem.

I'm sorry, but Prime Minister Renzi's word takes precedence over yours.

R146 Italians know fascism. She's not a fascist. In fact if you read the Italian press, she is referred to in Italy as "center right".

Note the term "Centro destra" at the link. That link is from the RAI.

BTW: What fascist policies do you expect her to implement?

[quote] If Matteo Renzi has declared she is not a fascist while you keep on insisting that she is a fascist (without even listing any of her "fascist policies", by the way) that's your problem.

Have you not read this thread? Have you no understanding of politicians all over the world who push "family first"?

Of course no one ever states "I'm a fascist and will rule like one!" But then gays and other minorities quickly see their rights erode all in the name of "Family First."

Please list her "fascist" policies. Thanks in advance.

[quote] Italians know fascism. She's not a fascist. In fact if you read the Italian press, she is referred to in Italy as "center right".

She just won. You think any press has the guts to call her a fascist? She certainly pretends she's center right--but Trump and the GOP use the same language she does and they are NOT center right.

[quote] Please list her "fascist" policies. Thanks in advance.

Please tell me what you think this means. Thanks in advance.

"Yes to the natural family, no to the LGBT lobby, yes to sexual identity, no to gender ideology... no to Islamist violence, yes to secure borders, no to mass migration... no to big international finance... no to the bureaucrats of Brussels!"

The Press are HARDLY shy and retiring wallflowers, r152. Such a bullshit 'argument'.

R154, the press can hope too.

I guess then Trump was not a fascist wanna-be; Bolsonaro is not a fascist wanna-be; Orban is not a fascist wanna-be.

They all use the same language.

They must be just center right.

Describe to me how those policies are "fascist", r153. "Natural family" as in nuclear family has been a standard conservative position in all of Europe, America and Australia for decades. Are all those people fascist?

No to the LGBTQ lobby? I'm a gay man being erased by trans, so I'm not to supportive of the LGBTQ lobby as a whole.

No to Islamist violence? How is that "fascist" when the Islamists themselves are genuine fascists?

Yes to secure borders, no to mass migration? How is having borders "fascist"?

No to big international finance? How is that fascist when the original definition of fascism is a merging of government with corporatism?

No to the EU control? Guess what, The EU is an undemocratic ruling organisation. Being against the EU is hardly "fascist".

Got any more? Any actual "fascist" policies of Meloni's? Or did you just decide to call her "fascist" because she disagrees with you?

I think we know the answer...

R157, Whatever you say, Vlad,

Plus, I don't believe for a second that you're gay. You're a Putin troll.

[quote] did you just decide to call her "fascist" because she disagrees with you?

You refuse to call her fascist because you agree with everything she says. Fascist has bad connotations.

R157, not only is she a fascist but so are you

Of course Putin is sending fascist sympathizers to western listservs.

His whole modus operandum is to sow controversy.

Oh she's not fascist!! But here are her fascist stances which aren't really fascist because I said so...

That's all any of you have, isn't it? No actualy arguments, no actual evidence, just call people who disagree with you "fascist" and a "Russian troll"

Pathetic.

[quote]She just won. You think any press has the guts to call her a fascist?

You obviously don't know the Italian press. So just stop. You are making a fool of yourself.

She is referred to as "centrodestra". Center right.

BTW: my town in Italy is governed by a mayor from her party. As are other communities. Please explain to us what "fascist" policies they're carrying out.

R162, except, in your explanation you perfectly described fascism.

Yes, all her stances represent fascism. It's YOU who refuse to call it such when it's staring at you in the face.

So what's your motive? A paycheck in Rubles?

[quote]She is referred to as "centrodestra". Center right. BTW: my town in Italy is governed by a mayor from her party. As are other communities. Please explain to us what "fascist" policies they're carrying out.

Is there a city called Italy in Russia where there are troll farms?

[quote]She is referred to as "centrodestra". Center right.

That doesn't say much about her. What is says is that there are crazier right wingers in Italy

For the dope at R164.

This is La Repubblica. Italy's premier left wing newspaper.

Note the headline: "centrodestra". Center right.

But you who has never been to Italy, who doesn't speak a word of Italian...know more.

So now the Italian press are also fascists, right r166? Because they call her "centre-right", they're just covering for her, right? And Matteo Renzi must be a secret fascist too, because he insists she is not a fascist.

It seems that everybody who disagrees with your uneducated views on the world is a fascist EXCEPT you and those you agree with, right, r166?

[quote] The Dems today don't talk in shaded language about repressing Blacks.

Oh, my sides.

[quote] They have left their racist background behind.

OH. MY SIDES!!

R169, you obviously don't know about the GOP as a comparison

I'm not a fascist!

R168, so what do YOU consider a fascist?

[quote]It seems that everybody who disagrees with your uneducated views on the world is a fascism

Ironic statement from someone shoveling us crap as if it's American history...

[quote]By your logic, [R129] all Democrat politicians are members of the KKK because the party was founded and originally formed by people who supported the KKK

I dont seem to recall a current Democratic President calling for the KKK values to return. Unlike Giorgia Meloni WHO IS CALLING FOR THE SAME THINGS MUSSOLINI WANTED 100 YEARS AGO.

[quote]Note the headline: "centrodestra". Center right.

Again, this is a headline of comparison. If she's center right, how terrible is the right?

Link and quote, r174, otherwise I call bullshit on your claims.

She's fascist light. "We wont kill the gays this time, they just cant get married and have the same rights or adopt kids like us normal people."

Try Google R176 or I call BS on your laziness.

Peter Z. tells you what he thinks about the new Italian Prime Minister:

[quote] The big take-away here isn't so much that Italy is about to get a fascist government, it's that Italy is about to get a government with someone in charge who has no idea what they are doing in terms of their previous work experience.

Because Italy has dealt with fascism, it (including the press) is very measured about calling anyone fascist (Just like Germany rarely calls anyone now a Nazi)

Everything she says reflects fascism. Everyone will take a watch and see approach first.

[quote] I dont seem to recall a current Democratic President calling for the KKK values to return.

R179, note the wording: The big take-away here isn't so much that Italy is about to get a fascist government..

So yes, he agrees that Italy is getting a fascist govt

She praising Italian dictator Benito Mussolini in 1996 as well as Nazi collaborator and co-founder of MSI Giorgio Almirante in 2020 - Wiki

R181, huh?

The students themselves called for separate graduations.

It happens all the time in the US. Everyone goes to one main graduation and then divide into smaller graduation celebrations based on many factors--major, club, ethnic group, etc.

At 15 years of age, she joined the Youth Front, the youth wing of the Italian Social Movement (MSI), a neo-fascist political party.

R181, what Democratic President is quoted in that article. Oh, none

R181, Putin paying extra for links, even when they have no bearing on the conversation?

Shouldn't you be signing up for the army around now or does the Russian military not want the elderly?

On social issues, Meloni opposes abortion, euthanasia, and laws that recognise same-sex marriage or civil unions.

FYI: Gay Civil Unions are legal in Italy, but she still opposes them, not just marriage.

R188 None of those laws will change from what they are now.

She has criticized Italy's approach towards illegal immigrants, endorsing the Great Replacement, a white nationalist conspiracy theory.

[quote]FYI: Gay Civil Unions are legal in Italy, but she still opposes them, not just marriage.

Yes, that's what she says because that's what one must say in modern Italy.

Just like Trump saying he was fine with gay marriage and then proceeded to name anti-gay marriage judges

The Democratic party supports it, R186.

Look at R184 as an example. Same "KKK values".

R185 The MSI was mainstream. As were the Italian communists. That was Italy. Very hard for Americans to understand.

She's an Ant-Vaxxer, not vaccinating her daughter, and claiming the probability of someone aged 0–19 dying from COVID-19 to be the same as being struck by lightning.

[quote]The Democratic party supports it, [R186].

Wow, that's weak.

[quote]Look at [R184] as an example. Same "KKK values".

So Biology majors gathering together to have a special ceremony after the main ceremony is a KKK value?

Did you even go to college?

[quote]She has criticized Italy's approach towards illegal immigrants

Well duh. Of course she has. As have the overwhelming majority of Italians. That's why she won.

[quote]Yes, that's what she says because that's what one must say in modern Italy.

Well then in today's society where most 1st world countries allow gay marriage, that makes her a PUSSY not a strong leader. I am not talking about 20 years ago when the mood was different. Talking about now, today so dont bother with "whatabout".

r188 is lying. She is pro-civil unions for gays, just not a religious ceremony. Exactly in line with the majority of Catholic Italy and with Obama, Biden and Hillary for the majority of their careers.

She praised Italian dictator Benito Mussolini as "a good politician, in that everything he did, he did for Italy.

R200 his former chief of staff started the party she now belongs to. She is linked to him

That's not separating based on race, R196.

R200 Yes. In 1992. When she was 15 years old.

Sorry, but she's not a fascist.

I know you desperately, desperately, DESPERATELY want her to be, and need her to be a fascist, but she's simply not. Sorry to disappoint all of you.

I think Italy just did this for laughs, she wont last more than one term. Remember Berlusconi? Another conservative who made a regular Trumpian fool of himself in public?

[quote]Yes. In 1992. When she was 15 years old.

Those are the most formative years of a persons life and belief system. You cant just write that off as some youthful indiscretion. Look at her now, it's not like she changed or switched sides.

R203 you're conveniently ignoring his former chief of staff started the party she now leads. Clearly she still holds him in high regard or she would never have joined the party never mind lead it

Ok so everything that everyone says at age 15 must be held to them for the rest of their lives, right? Are these the new rules?

If you need to twist yourself into that kind of 'logic' pretzel in order to make your 'point', maybe your point isn't a very good one.

And you, r207, would have never joined the Democrat Party unless you agreed with the Democrats' original and long-standing support for the KKK. You may as well wear a pointy white hat.

Oh for fuck sake, no one is twisting things into a pretzel except for you. it's not like she posted a pic on IG and being held to it years later. SHE JOINED A RADICAL POLITICAL PARTY which set the stage for who she is today.

[quote]ould have never joined the Democrat Party unless you agreed with the Democrats' original and long-standing support for the KKK. You may as well wear a pointy white hat.

You have faulty logic. The KKK was not part of the Democratic Party when I was 15. KKK support completely switched to the Republican Party by that point. This is not the same as in her case.

White nationalists David Duke and Richard Spencer BOTH endorsed and voted for Joe Biden, r211.

[quote]yes to sexual identity, no to gender ideology... no to Islamist violence

Sounds good to me.

lol right wing trolls are so stupid. Don't get riled up by them. They know they don't make sense or have coherent arguments but their goal is to upset you.

the fact that we're on a gay board and some self-hating idiot is defending this bitch shows how sad his mindset is.

[quote]Sorry, but she's not a fascist.

She's Fascist Adjacent.

So being against gy marriage makes her fascist? Gay marriage has never been legal in Italy.

Does that mean that Italy is just "fascist" as a whole?

Nevermind that only 32 countries in the entire world have gay marriage, and 8 of those only instituted it in the last 3 years.

[quote]White nationalists David Duke and Richard Spencer BOTH endorsed and voted for Joe Biden

LIES! Your link is from a known right wing Troll site. Here's the actual facts.

Richard Spencer is probably most famous for his 2016 victory rally at which he and his supporters offered Hitler salutes and declared “Heil Trump!” A year later, he helped organize and personally addressed the infamous “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, where marchers chanted “Jews will not replace us.”

Spencer and other white supremacists have a long history of purposely adopting their opponents’ causes and pretending to back them in order to undermine them. That’s exactly what Spencer did in 2018.

You can go onto Richard Spencer's twitter feed and find multiple pro-Biden tweets. He's been very consistent.

Sorry, r217, both Duke and Spencer are Biden voters.

Hopefully someone will assassinate her hateful ass.

R217 Some impartial comment from Mr Yair Eisenberg.

[quote]So being against gy marriage makes her fascist? Gay marriage has never been legal in Italy.

Civil Unions have been legal. She wants to turn that back. Taking away rights is a fascist move.

[quote]only 32 countries in the entire world have gay marriage,

Yes, first world civilized countries. Or maybe she like being associated with 3rd world countries and backwards thinking. I mean the economy over there is shit. Why not just rape it while you can, make all the money you can as a politician flushing it down the toilet for personal gain. Thats what she is really doing.

^^^^ Which means that as a Biden supporter YOU, r217, are Duke/Spencer adjacent, and therefore Fascist-adjacent.

By your very own standards.

Biden was a known racist himself, so no surprise.

I still have relatives in Calabria, maybe we will get lucky and she will end up wearing cement shoes.

R222 = Master pretzel twister. Would you like some cheese with that whine?

r221 She's never said anything about turning back the Civil Union law in Italy. The law will remain exactly the same as it has been under the Socialist Italian governments.

Why do you feel the need to lie in order to make your "point'? It just makes you look bad.

[quote] Duke/Spencer adjacent,

Check the facts, they have a LONG history supporting the Republican party. Your troll link saying they support Biden is not accurate.

They support Biden now and have done since 2020, r227. Sorry, but you are adjacent to them now.

The KKK knows what side the bread is buttered on, and it's clearly Trump and the Republican party even if for "appearances" Trump says otherwise.

Hillary was open minded enough to eventually support gay marriage. She's now a proud ally of our community.

But for most of her life she didn't. and according to the Democrats on here, that means Hillary Clinton was and is still a fascist.

That was almost 20 years ago R230. Are you really that stupid?

People change, she evolved like many of her age. Unfortunately you just proved my point. The new Prime Minister has NOT evolved. She's become more anit-gay not less than.

American fascists are thrilled at Meloni’s election. They think she’s one of them.

Are they wrong?

Oh, so Sweden are now fascists too, r233? Both Italy and sweden are fascist now? Is that what you're pretending?

All white countries turning to fascism, who would have thought!

This is a grift at the expense of Italian citizens.

These people don't win elections, they never have. They (fascists) game the system then install themselves in office.

They don't leave without violence.

Also, she's unattractive.

To be fair, a few nonwhite countries are fascist….

[quote]Civil Unions have been legal. She wants to turn that back.

No she does not.

Maga is in contrary fairyland who argue with alternative facts.

Grift. GRIFT. GRIFT

How does maga know which participants vote for the American Democratic party based on the conversation here?

Is Liz Cheney a "Democrat"?

[quote]These people don't win elections, they never have. They (fascists) game the system then install themselves in office.

The Italian left, the opposition, has made no claims of irregularities in the vote.

So please explain to us how the Fratelli D'Italia have gamed the system.

So in summery, Italy now has a blond Trump. Got it.

Boy are they in for some surprises.

R242 How is she a Trump? How is she similar?

Well she's full of crap for starters. The list of similarities are endless.

R244 How is she full of crap? Examples please.

R244 What speeches of hers have you listened to? BTW: do you speak Italian?

Leone marino

They’re both stupid assholes.

End of list.

R216 You still can't get over it you bigoted piece of merda.

I love her for one reason: She's takes a huge shit in the mouths of the fascist gays everywhere who think simply being white is their ticket to acceptance. There's your reality check, asshole bigots and racists. You think any of these fascist parasites envision your "sodomite" ass as part of their utopia? FUCK. YOU.

[quote] who think simply being white is their ticket to acceptance.

Hilarious.

I don’t know why I loath the Left as much as I do but I do. I used to define myself as mostly Left, even 7 years ago and desperately wanted Hillary to win. Now I feel like I have been freed from a Gulag of the mind and am so much happier.

Leftist’s are all about freedom and love until you disagree, then you are every four letter word they can think of. They fall over themselves creating new and more extreme words to define those they disagree with. You can’t just be Centre or Conservative you are extreme Right Wing , extreme Fascist, Nazi , White Supremacist. If you are Black and vote the wrong way you are an Uncle Tom, “ Only superficially Black “,as a Labour MP in Britain recently found out cost her suspension when she said this about the Conservative Chancellor.

Each frothing insult showing much gaslighting this supposed freedom and loving people really are. Full of hate and loathing. So sad and obvious that they can’t grasp that many Gay people, women, people of Colour are saying “ fuck this shit” and thinking the same way as me. So sad.

Lol. So dumb

Well said, r252. I had a similar recent trajectory away from a lifetime of voting Labour.

R254 is the Euro Trash version of "I used to be a Democrat but...." finished by classic Troll rhetoric.

Step 1: I used to be just like you, very liberal, left.

Step 2: Paint them as intolerant of others opinion and use that to justify switching sides to a party that doesn't even pretend to be tolerant of anything.

Step 3: Play victim as a snow flake who can dish it out but cant take it. Support a party or leader that calls people names like "sleepy Joe, or Brandon" then whine when it's returned in kind.

Step 4: Summarize with a false conclusion about how the good people on the left are not perfect and therefore joining the evil party on the right is the only logical choice.

Making up stories out of thin air again, I see, r255. You really DO live in an entirely fact-free world, don't you?

In 2019 she spoke before the World Congress of Families, and identified how certain "enemies" attack society:

[quote] And so they attack national identity, they attack religious identity, they attack gender identity, they attack family identity.

[quote] I can't define myself as Italian, Christian, woman, mother, No. I must be citizen X, gender x, parent 1, parent 2.

Specifically, who are these people that she passionately denounces? Who could they be? Maybe Parent 1 and Parent 2?

What's wrong with any of that? I think Parent 1 and Parent 2 is fucking stupid as well. And FUCK the people pushing "gender identity" in place of sexual identity. They are the biggest enemies the gay community has on earth outside of jihadis who want to throw us off of buildings.

[quote] “I’m not in favor of adoption (by same-sex couples),” she said in a recent interview with The Washington Post. “I’m not, because I think that a child who’s unlucky needs to be given what’s best, right? And what’s best is having a father and a mother.”

(Unrelated transition) Washington post comment section-

[quote] For a fascist she's pretty cute. Your typical Fascist is a sweaty overweight Oaf with crooked kids, orange hair, and spray tan....

[quote] When fascism comes to Italy, it will be wearing a kicky pink blazer and carrying a designer purse.

Oh my gawd.

Was there a sale on tin foil at K Mart? I haven't seen this much lunacy in a long time.

Watch out, there's a Russian troll behind that ad below.

Many Italians protested by not voting.

FACT: lowest voter turnout in Italy's history.

This is their Bernie Sanders / Hillary moment.

R255 you basically miss the entire point. I don’t have any problem with being called names. I am nothing like a victim. I am a strong Gay man and have no issue you calling me any name under the sun. It means nothing, you don’t know me. You can’t push me into a box politically just because you say I am a particular political persuasion

The point I am illustrating, which you are kindly helping me prove is that everyone you yell as Nazis or Fascist are basically people like me who have become disillusioned with the Left. They see you never have constructive solutions, just names and hate. That is sad. It doesn’t upset me in the slightest, it just makes me feel sorry for such hate filled people.

I was born Gay, but I was not born a Leftist. It took me a while for me to realise that is ok. I am in good company.

The point I am trying to illustrate

Sounds like common sense. They r not proposing to invade another country. They just want to save their country from terrorists

In 1992, a 15-year-old schoolgirl went to join her local branch of the far-right Youth Front in Rome. The all-male group of radicals met her with bemusement.

Thirty years later, Giorgia Meloni is on course to become Italy’s first female prime minister.

Well, as we ALL know, no one, EVER, changes at ALL from the age of 15 years old.

[quote]you basically miss the entire point. I don’t have any problem with being called names. I am nothing like a victim. I am a strong Gay man and have no issue you calling me any name under the sun. It means nothing, you don’t know me. You can’t push me into a box politically just because you say I am a particular political persuasion

No you missed the point entirely. No one said anything about calling YOU names. The name calling reference was about politicians calling other politicians names like 5 year old kids in a sand box. They don't all do this, lets not play that game. Biden, Obama even Bush never did this. But look at Trump, everyone he hated he has some childish name for. If you support someone that acts that childish and you are ok with that childish behavior form an adult, it says a lot about your lack of values and integrate with rearguards to voting for someone to rule the country.

In other words you are comfortable with a childish adult who controls nuclear weapons and the military in power. I find that disturbing.

[quote]Sounds like common sense. They r not proposing to invade another country. They just want to save their country from terrorists

So gays are terrorists? That's why it's not fascist to be against gay marriage? That's basically your argument.

[quote]Well, as we ALL know, no one, EVER, changes at ALL from the age of 15 years old.

Well in her case it doesn't sound like it. If anything, she's hardened her position since that age. See R254.

Prove me wrong, show me how she went from joining a far right youth group to becoming a liberal. Oh, right she hasn't.

Honey, it’s Italy. She’ll be out of office in 10 weeks.

Italy has had right-wing parties in the post-war period, but this is something else. It's more extreme, it's hard-right... it's like Hungary, FFS.

It's the last thing we need in Europe.

She will last a year or two tops. Italy will learn just like America that electing a boisterous hate filled person who "speaks for the people" will turn out to just be a boisterous hate filled individual who gets nothing done except dividing the country and creating chaos. Committing crimes in the process.

gaslighting magats.

R258 - it’s cute that you think THEY think being gay is separate from all that. If you’re gay, they don’t like you. Maybe they won’t outright change laws, but what governments like this do instead is marginalize in other ways. Like change rules on accessing social funding so that lgbt+ groups and initiatives lose funding. And then shift that funding to religious based groups. It happened, for example, under Stephen Harper in Canada, and he’s a liberal compared to her. I wish people wouldn’t get sucked in by single issues voting.

[quote] Now I feel like I have been freed from a Gulag of the mind and am so much happier.

I know many who feel that way, R252.

Only a republican would say "There are good people on both sides" when one side is literally Nazis

And when she starts introducing anti-gay legislation, to "save" the children, like DeSantis and other right wing GOP governors have, the "she's not a fascist" gays will talk about how that legislation isn't apparently homophobic at all.

They will regale us with tales of teachers needing to keep any discussion of spouses out of the classroom, that students should never hear "gay" because that only means sex, and teachers are forcing kids to be trans so we need that legislation...

We've heard all that BS before.

[quote] Leftist’s are all about freedom and love until you disagree

Leftists are all about equality until you disagree.

See how that works?

Europe allowed the Jews to be massacred before. This time? Nonwhite immigrants.

The Jews?

[quote]And when she starts introducing anti-gay legislation, to "save" the children, like DeSantis and other right wing GOP governors have, the "she's not a fascist" gays will talk about how that legislation isn't apparently homophobic at all.

Explain to us what anti-gay legislation she plans to introduce. And your sources please.

[quote]They will regale us with tales of teachers needing to keep any discussion of spouses out of the classroom, that students should never hear "gay" because that only means sex, and teachers are forcing kids to be trans so we need that legislation...

Italian parents will decide.

[quote]Only a republican would say "There are good people on both sides" when one side is literally Nazis

Only a moron would call one side "literally Nazis".

[quote]Italy will learn just like America that electing a boisterous hate filled person

"Boisterous hate filled person"? Tell us what speeches of hers you have listened to. And do you speak Italian?

[quote]Italy has had right-wing parties in the post-war period, but this is something else. It's more extreme, it's hard-right

What exactly makes it "hard right"? Why in Italy is this coalition described instead as "center right"? What do you know that they don't?

The Italian PM is literally identified in the accompanying articles as a right wing extremist with one article describing her long term association with extremist views going back to her adolescence.

The magat here is rudely and stupidly contradictory but has yet to provide his own proof of his arguments.

Where are YOUR links to prove YOUR opinion.

R284 Dear, I speak Italian fluently. I watch Italian news and read the papers. You don't. I lived in Italy for decades. You haven't. I actually have attended a conference of Meloni's. You haven't. I have lived in a town with a Fratelli D"Italia mayor. You haven't.

So I might know something.

But this is a clip of Matteo Renzi. Of course you don't know who he is, but look him up. Here he is speaking about Meloni and her win.

[quote]So I might know something.

This is Datalounge where misinformation is cherished.

[quote] Explain to us what anti-gay legislation she plans to introduce. And your sources please.

Let's revisit this in a year, shall we?

is that it, magat?

[quote] Only a moron would call one side "literally Nazis".

I guess you didn't missed those Charlottesville riots and their chants of "Jews will not replace us" and "Fucking faggots," beating up black people, and running over a protester with a car.

Yes, Trump called them these Nazis "Good people."

Salon is hard left.

[quote]magat

Just call him a f-ggot. Stop being a coward with “magat”.

[quote] I actually have attended a conference of Meloni's. You haven't. I have lived in a town with a Fratelli D"Italia mayor.

Hilarious. You're the only one I know who actually believes what politicians say. OF course, she's not going to directly spout fascist thoughts. She's going to cloud them in terms like "Family first!"

[quote] Salon is hard left.

But the writer lives in Italy just like a poster here claims he does.

Got anything else, magat

R288 LOL.

Marina Catucci writes for "Il Manifesto". Italy's ridiculous communist newspaper (not my opinion, that's how THEY describe themselves: communist). So what would you expect her to say about Meloni?

Now tell me: should I believe her or Italy's former prime minister Matteo Renzi of the left ?

R294, whomever you might believe, I don't believe you

R294, where in her article does Marina Catucci say something wrong

Not coincidentally, the people on this thread claiming the new Italian PM is not a fascist claimed that DeSantis' Dont Say Gay Bill wasn't homophobic at all.

where are your links to prove your argument

" Fake news" is magat terminology.

The Italian Prime Minister who has a long standing association with fascists, isn't a fascist because you, some random say so.

And you would know because you live in Italy and speak Italian.

What a gift of reason and logic you have.

[quote] And you would know because you live in Italy and speak Italian.

If he lives in Italy, I'm the Queen of France

He's the same guy who claimed to be an American and then wrote "flavour."

Funny and strange its argument for comprehensive knowledge of this subject is based on where it allegedly lives and the languages it allegedly speaks.

Magats can't be reasoned with. If they could hold rational thoughts, they would not be magats to begin with.

[quote]Funny and strange its argument for comprehensive knowledge of this subject is based on where it allegedly lives and the languages it allegedly speaks.

Believe what you will. (and BTW: at the moment I'm not living in Italy.)

But once again, if YOU know so much, tell me who we should believe, Italy's former PM of her rival party....or you?

And answer me this: why have regions of Italy that have voted solidly for the Partito Democratico for 7 decades have now switched to voting for a supposed fascist ?

On 30 January 2016, she participated in the Family Day, an anti-LGBT rights demonstration, declaring herself against LGBT adoption.

At the same Family Day, she announced that she was pregnant; her daughter Ginevra was born on 16 September.

Where are your links to support your argument

Another thing: you all don't seem to realize how Meloni's hands are tied with Italy being a member of the EU. Italy is a major economy, it has obligations and responsibilities that a country like Hungary does not have. Italy is expecting billions in Covid relief from the EU. Meloni can't jeopardize that. Even if she wanted to carry out extreme measures, she can't. In the end it'll be another conservative government. And Italian governments come and go.

“Only a republican would say "There are good people on both sides" when one side is literally Nazis”r275

You do realise the Nazis were a very specific group at a very specific time centred around a very specific person. That person died in 1945.

This continuous laziness is not only stupid and corrosive it is allowing us to believe that one of the worst things to occur in history is common place. It means when you are confronted with something that extreme you actually have run out of words to describe it and are going to find it difficult to make others believe how bad it actually is.

Are there extreme Right Wing elements?, yes. Are they the majority ? No . If you say yes, you can never make people believe in something really evil, because you have used up all your credibility.

The demonstration in Charlottesville was vile, but to believe it is common, you have proven it is not. The fact we all know what you mean shows how uncommon it is. Do you really think if there were Nazis everywhere we would remember just one demonstration?

No links. Again.

Good insight from Douglas Murray:

"One of Mussolini’s granddaughters — Rachele Mussolini — is an elected member of Meloni’s own party. Can you imagine if the Hitler family were still active in German politics?"

The leader of a nationalist party with neo-fascist roots has earned the admiration — and lustful gaze — of the greater MAGA-verse

A thread full of vitriol, woeful ignorance, and juvenile name-calling. R306 is one of the few posters whose reality is based on knowledge.

Where is your link, r312?

R313 perhaps you should read up on EU membership, and what is encumbent upon EU members. Rather than continuing to spam the board with media agenda.

Italy has not officially declared a winner in its election, though the Associated Press reports that Meloni, 45, has already declared victory as exit polls show her to be leading.

Sharing links to back up an opinion = 'spam"

Fake news= magat terminology

Declaring victory when you're leading in an election and before ALL VOTES ARE COUNTED= voting is overrated.

Making a baby outside of marriage then screaming you are a good Christian devoted to reestablishing your country as a Christian one= MAGA

I am pretty sure that Divorce is a much bigger sin in the Bible than being gay mentioned only once in the same breath of not mixing certain fabrics.

Luke 16:18 “Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery."

Corinthians 7:10-11 "the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband),"

So this bitch has the nerve to pass judgment on gay people but it's perfectly ok for her to go on and on about family while she openly breaks Christian law? Why does she get a pass on how the modern world works but with gays they must be bound by some quote 2,000 years ago? Worst of all, she wants to be a law maker. [bold]She's both a political and moral hypocrite.

Sharing links to back up an opinion = facts don't matter, only my feelings and beliefs matter

Fake news= we don't believe in facts. Pay no attention to facts. Only my feelings matter.

Declaring victory when you're leading in an election and before ALL VOTES ARE COUNTED= If I feel that I am the winner that is all that counts.

Making a baby outside of marriage then screaming you are a good Christian devoted to reestablishing your country as a Christian one= . I am anointed by God himself and can do as I please without censure. Including declaration of victory before all votes are counted

"sharing links to back up an opinion" = indulging the media agenda that reinforces your opinion

"magat terminology" = juvenile pejorative

Don't spam the board with links to articles related to the subject because these links contain truths that are harmful to my feelings.

Only my smallest feelings and my tiny, little thoughts are relevant to any subject.

R320 obviously doesn't know the difference between "opinion" and "truth". Or childish ranting and adult discussion, for that matter.

How many tourists is she going to scare away with that ideology? Doesn't that country depend on a high volume of tourism? Europeans and the west are way more to the left than her. I guess if she scars them away the more right leaning religious countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran and other Muslim tourists is what she is going for. Yeah, good luck with that.🤣🥷🏽🥷🏽🥷🏽💥

I have won, stop counting

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On 30 January 2016, she participated in the Family Day, an anti-LGBT rights demonstration, declaring herself against LGBT adoption. At the same Family Day, she announced that she was pregnant; her daughter Ginevra was born on 16 September.

[quote] You do realise the Nazis were a very specific group at a very specific time centred around a very specific person. That person died in 1945.

Um, you do realize how we use the term Nazi in English, right?

She’s a Nazi.

[quote] How many tourists is she going to scare away with that ideology?

No until she starts to actively move against gays and minorities---and she will. We know her history of anti-gay rights and her talk of "Family first"!

[quote] A thread full of vitriol, woeful ignorance, and juvenile name-calling. [R306] is one of the few posters whose reality is based on knowledge.

Thanks, R306

Her entire platform is shaded fascism. It's pathetic to claim "She won't do any of that! She doesn't hate gays! The EU won't let her!" and blah. blah, blah.

She will try to do EVERYTHING she says--any attempts at gay marriage will be blocked (although gays will have to pay the same taxes as always). She will vilify minority groups as the cause of all of Italy's problems.

We've seen this same scenario over and over and over.

[quote]Declaring victory when you're leading in an election and before ALL VOTES ARE COUNTED

Meloni won.

Do you read the Italian press? Of course not.

My gosh, the stupidity here.

Regardless, she sounds like a real fica.

"Trump won't do anything against gays! He loves gays!"

Why did you only copy a portion of the sentence?

Here's the full sentence:

Italy has not officially declared a winner in its election, though the Associated Press reports that Meloni, 45, has already declared victory as exit polls show her to be leading.

"Do you read the Italian press?"

😋

r333

I remember reading 1984 many times. The author explains the process of how party leadership controls language down to the last syllable ultimately rendering language meaningless.

Up is down. Right is left. Black is white. Day is night. Right is wrong.

"Fake news".

The goal isn't to render language meaningless, the goal is to control all thought and oppose all criticism.

Party members here oppose posting links to sources.

All news is fake if it correctly identifies the problem.

The party members follow up with a disjointed argument "Do you read Italian, I read and speak Italian and live in Italy".

"You don't know what you're talking about, you don't speak or read Italian or live in Italy part-time".

Please observe they have not posted a link to an Italian source that will confirm their opinion.

R336, this is EXACTLY how extremists get into power--promise alot of vague things based on prejudices people naturally have.

The person on this thread pretending to live in Italy is also the guy who posted the anti-trans stuff that is word-for-word what was in the Buffalo terrorist's manifesto.

Just saying...

MILAN/FRANKFURT (Reuters) - In the weeks after Russia's invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, Claudio Descalzi, CEO of Italian energy mni, embarked on a whirlwind of trips to gas suppliers in Africa.

The visits included meetings with officials in Algeria in February plus talks in Angola, Egypt and Republic of Congo in March, with Descalzi often accompanied by senior Rome officials, according to company and government releases.

State-controlled Eni and Italy were able to leverage existing supply relationships with those nations to secure extra gas to replace a large part of the volumes it received from its top supplier Russia.

It's a nimble shift that many European countries have been unable to perform as Vladimir Putin's war jolts the continent into an alternate reality.

Take Germany. An economic powerhouse and long a byword for prudent planning, it has been caught wholly unprepared. It's on the brink of recession, its industry is preparing for gas and power rationing and it has just nationalised a major utility.

So stupid, they can't understand that where they live is irrelevant to this discussion.

Also, Serbians and Albanians aren't Italian.

[quote] "Trump won't do anything against gays! He loves gays!"

And it turned out to be true.

honey is screaming about preserving the Italian family as an unwed mother.

This is how magats get down.

That’s true, R341, but that dude would not hesitate to throw gays into acid showers, I mean, really.

R341, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

You're kidding right?

Before the election, he said he was against gay marriage and would name judges to overturn it--and he has.

His DOJ presented amicus briefs to SCOTUS case. The Briefs were against allowing gays protection from being fired for being gay and for businesses to allow to not provide services to gays.

The most egregious--Trump Executive order allowing health care providers to not treat anyone if it's against their religious view. This is to specifically target LGBT.

I don’t think Trump gays are like old school Republican gays, I just don’t.

R341--Richard Grenell was such a crazy Trump supporter that when he was ambassador to Germany, Germany begged the US to recall him.

Also, it was an absolute lie when the article claims: Before becoming acting director of national intelligence, he led an effort to decriminalize homosexuality in countries where it is illegal.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Grenell did that. In fact when asked what the status of that supposed initiative was, Grenell answered that the State Dept was still discussing it.

Trump aide accused of Nazi ties — and a former Pence advisor says it's true

[quote] Before the election, he said he was against gay marriage and would name judges to overturn it--and he has.

No he wasn't and no one has overturned gay marriage. Are you that unhinged?

Hillary on the other hand: "I believe marriage is not just a bond, but a sacred bond between a man and a woman."

So naming a gay person to a cabinet position suddenly make you not homophobic?

Naming a black person to a high position suddenly makes you not racist?

Naming a Jewish person to a high position suddenly makes you not anti-Semitic?

I didn't realize it was that simple

Unwed mother. Sketchy educational back ground. Long term association with fascist group think. Drug dealing daddy.

Sure, Trump is so "anti-gay".

The funny thing about Grenell is that he would be fine eliminating gay rights if that would let the right hold on to power.

Peter Thiel is another gay who seems fine with it. In fact he said that children should only have a father and a mother.

Trump cares more about their money and what they can do for him rather than their being gay

R351, So sad that you think that's proof.

Read Trump's actual words. This was more about keeping Muslims out than keeping gays safe.

[quote] Naming a black person to a high position suddenly makes you not racist?

According to Biden it does.

[quote] No he wasn't and no one has overturned gay marriage. Are you that unhinged?

Ahhh, you make it too easy. See link below where Trump plainly says he's against gay marriage.

[quote] No he wasn't and no one has overturned gay marriage. Are you that unhinged?

When two SCOTUS judges says openly that its national gay marriage ruling should be overturned, when a sitting US Senator says on national TV (During the Judge Jackson hearings) that gay marriage should be "as state issue," when one of the two major parties specifically states in its values document that marriage is only between a man and a woman, when hardly any of that party's senators will vote to codify gay marriage, where exactly do you think this is headed?

It's like having said just a year ago, "No one has overturned abortion!"

[quote] According to Biden it does.

No, according to the right it does.

So convenient for the racists that having a Black President suddenly makes us all not racist.

“Um, you do realize how we use the term Nazi in English, right?” R 326

You mean anyone you disagree with? Yes of course. But that is not the definition of Nazi and frankly if you believe every person you disagree with is a version of Schindler’s List you are fucking insane.

Signorella Meloni sounds like an absolute garbage person. Poor Italy.

Now, the party members are telling you don't know what nazi means.

Only a party member who speaks and reads Italian and who resides part-time in Italy is permitted to use the term nazi correctly and with authority.

The leading party member needs to protect the Italian family.

The leading party member gave birth to a child out of wedlock.

Meloni graduated from Rome's Amerigo Vespucci Institute (AVI) in 1996.

She declared that she obtained the high school diploma in languages at the AVI, with the final mark of 60/60.

The school was not a foreign language high school and was not qualified to issue a diploma in languages; instead it was a technical high school specialized in the tourist industry.

This created a controversy on whether she lied about her diploma.

Italy can't do better than this?

a fucking travel agent with a fake diploma?

Seriously?

A Travel Agent with a fake diploma and WHORE with a Bastard child you mean.

Are we seriously bashing her for being an "unwed mother"? That status doesn't mean she doesn't appreciate or value families.

I also am beginning to sense a snobbishness because she is working class. Hasn't she been in politics since she was like 17. I'm sure she knows policy and issues. She doesn't need to be an expert on the issues, she needs to know who to call on to share their expertise and try to implement policies the populace wants.

Excuse me, comrade?

You're the one up there screeching about morality and family values.

And when it comes down to it, you have no intention of honoring the same values you froth at the mouth over.

We are not bashing her just to bash her, we are pointing out her religious and moral hypocrisy of being holier than thou.

She's going to make laws based on her hypocritical religious belief system, which she has violated herself, that's why it matters. Has she repented? Publicly? Why Not? Oh right, that's too old fashioned to expect that. Except when it comes to issues with gay marriage. Then its all about what the bible says no matter how long ago it was written.

When it was pointed out this person has long standard ties to fascism beginning in her adolescence, the party member scoffed she outgrew this.

Now when it is pointed out she's JUST a beauty school dropout, her years of experience " in politics" are offered as proof she's worthy of leading a nation.

On 30 January 2016, she participated in the Family Day, an anti-LGBT rights demonstration, declaring herself against LGBT adoption. At the same Family Day, she announced that she was pregnant; her daughter Ginevra was born on 16 September.

R362 Her background is well known in Italy. It's not like she has come out of nowhere or has no experience. She has had a long carrier in politics. Italians know who she is.

"Nel 1996 Giorgia Meloni viene nominata responsabile nazionale di Azione Studentesca, il movimento studentesco di Alleanza Nazionale (AN), partito risultato dall'evoluzione dell'MSI. Tra i giovani del movimento di destra sale alla ribalta e nel 1998 vince le primarie di AN per l'XI Municipio di Roma, che le vale l'elezione a Consigliere della Provincia di Roma per il partito. Nel 2001 il Presidente Gianfranco Fini la nomina coordinatrice del comitato nazionale di Azione Giovani, di cui diventa Presidente nel 2004. Nel frattempo Meloni prende il titolo di giornalista professionista e scrive per il quotidiano Secolo d'Italia."

L'approdo in Parlamento avviene nel 2006, quando è eletta alla Camera dei Deputati nella lista di Alleanza Nazionale, diventando all'età di 29 anni la più giovane donna parlamentare della legislatura. Inoltre, ricopre un ruolo molto importante come uno dei Vicepresidenti di Montecitorio fino al 2008. Con le elezioni dello stesso anno e la formazione del quarto Governo Berlusconi, ottiene un altro incarico di prestigio per la sua età, ovvero Ministro per la Gioventù. Con questo ruolo, Giorgia Meloni è il più giovane ministro della storia repubblicana del nostro Paese.

"Nel periodo del suo Ministero, Giorgia si distingue per un pacchetto da 300 milioni di euro denominato Diritto al Futuro, attraverso cui vengono impiegati fondi per i giovani imprenditori, i precari e gli studenti. Nel 2012, in piena crisi finanziaria in cui è coinvolta l'Italia, vota a favore della legge Fornero per unirsi alla linea tracciata in quel momento dal Popolo delle Libertà (PdL) di cui fa parte. Tuttavia, in seguito si è detta contraria a tale riforma, votata solo per ragioni di opportunità."

"Il 20 dicembre 2012 Giorgia Meloni lascia il Popolo delle Libertà a causa della rinuncia del Presidente Berlusconi di far disputare le primarie a cui la donna politico romana aveva posto la propria candidatura. Quindi, insieme a diversi esponenti della destra italiana, fonda un nuovo movimento politico che viene chiamato Fratelli d'Italia (FDI) e che mantiene comunque l'alleanza con il PdL.

Dopo l'elezione a capogruppo della Camera nel 2013, Meloni diventa il Presidente di Fratelli d'Italia l'8 marzo 2014. Alle elezioni europee di quell'anno si candida come capolista, ma il partito non ottiene l'accesso al Parlamento Europeo in quanto non supera la soglia di sbarramento del 4%. A quel punto stringe un'alleanza con la Lega di Matteo Salvini portando avanti una campagna di contrapposizione nei confronti dell'Europa, reputandola troppo burocratica e germano-centrica.

Nel 2016 si candida a sindaco di Roma per il centrodestra al posto di Guido Bertolaso, indicato precedentemente come rappresentante della coalizione per elezioni comunali. Tuttavia, al primo turno, con il 20,7% dei voti, non riesce ad arrivare al ballottaggio che incorona poi Virginia Raggi come primo cittadino della capitale. Verso la fine del 2017 viene riconfermata capo del partito al congresso di Fratelli d'Italia e, alle elezioni politiche del 2018, viene rieletta nel collegio uninominale di Latina. Il suo partito migliora nella preferenza degli italiani, passando dall'1,9% delle precedenti urne al 4,3%, ma soprattutto si prepara a un'inarrestabile ascesa."

"FDI negli anni ha puntato sul mantenimento di una certa coerenza sul fronte dell'appartenenza politica nei giochi di palazzo, evitando qualsiasi forma di partecipazione a un esecutivo non risultante espressamente dalle preferenze degli elettori. Lo ha dimostrato nel 2018, quando si è formato il Governo giallo-verde e recentemente con il Governo Draghi, rimanendo l'unico partito di opposizione."

But you just argued her long standing history as a fascist party member beginning in her adolescence has no bearing on her current views.

R396 In all polling Italians are against LGBT adoption. Whether the win was for the right or the left, LGBT adoption was not going to happen in Italy.

Missing the point.

Deliberately.

Family values are not necessarily tied to legal marriages. Family values can be had outside legal marriage. People van have family units outside marriage.

R369, that's not the contradiction you think it is. Being pregnant makes you realize that babies need mothers, you know, real mothers. Biological mothers. That is a real need for infants. it's not simply cultural.

Also I'm not seeing the fascism in her conservative family views. That's a pretty commonly held belief, even in the US. That doesn't make people fascist. Criticize her all you want for her beliefs you don't agree with but stop with the fascist label. We haven't seen that yet.

R360 In Italy no one with any credibility is calling Meloni a Nazi.

R371 Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Do you know what the word "centrodestra" means?

The party members tell you what reality is.

She's up there screaming to protect Italian families from "duh homos" as an unwed mother in her late 30s.

Also, lied about her educational background.

Fornicating outside of marriage and lying are sins, comrade.

[quote]Italy has not officially declared a winner in its election, though the Associated Press reports that Meloni, 45, has already declared victory as exit polls show her to be leading.

This is an example of the idiocy of the US press.

You are welcome to post your own links to your own sources if any of this is inaccurate.

But you don't dare.

R377 Why have regions of Italy that are the most traditionally of left, that have voted for 70 years for the Partito Democratico are know voting for the Fratelli D'Italia.

Tell us why.

Meloni opposes abortion, euthanasia, and laws that recognize same-sex marriage.[95] She has said she "wouldn't change" the abortion law in Italy,[96] and stated that the recognition of same-sex unions in Italy is good enough.[97] At a rally at the Piazza del Popolo in October 2019, she spoke against same-sex parenting; her speech became viral on Italian social media platforms.[98] Meloni is also opposed to the DDL Zan, an anti-homophobia law, declaring that in Italy "there is no homophobia".[99] She had also said that she would "rather not have a gay child" during a Le Iene interview, an Italian television show.[100][101]

Meloni is supportive of the anti-gender movement, a belief born in the mid-1990s in the circles of the Opus Dei in order to condemn any social position other than that approved by the Catholic Church, which oppose gender studies.[102][103][104] She is supportive of changing the Constitution of Italy in order to make it illegal for same-sex couples to adopt children.[105] In March 2018, Meloni criticized The Walt Disney Company for the decision to represent a gay couple in the musical fantasy movie Frozen II, writing on her social networks: "Enough! We are sick of it! Take your hands off the children

A quite useful thread for blocking quislings.

[quote]You are welcome to post your own links to your own sources if any of this is inaccurate.

You know nothing about the Italian political process.

Meloni won the election.

However to see exactly how many seats her coalition will receive, all votes must be counted.

This is La Repubblica, Italy's most widely read Leftist daily. The paper of the opposition. Note the headline: "Vince Meloni".

Can your thick head figure out what translates to in English?

You're answering a question with another question.

A dumb question.

An irrelevant question.

And you don't dare to post a link to any sources that contradict the widely held view this is just an unwed beauty school dropout with long standing ties to fascism since her adolescence (and a daddy who served time for drug smuggling).

[quote]You are welcome to post your own links to your own sources if any of this is inaccurate.

This is Il Manefesto, Italy's COMMUNIST newspaper. Rabidly anti Meloni.

I'm sorry, Italy can do better. Italy deserves so much better than this.

[Quote] You mean anyone you disagree with? Yes of course. But that is not the definition of Nazi and frankly if you believe every person you disagree with is a version of Schindler’s List you are fucking insane.

No, the white supremacists at the Charlottesville riots were actually Nazis

[quote]I'm sorry, Italy can do better. Italy deserves so much better than this.

The American left would love to see Italy continue being the dumping ground for hordes of immigrants.

Italians put up their hands and have said no.

Americans love telling other countries how to live. Italians don't give a rats ass about what Americans think is best for them.

R388, what she does with immigrants is up to her, but when she rails against gays and gay rights, fuck the Fascist bitch. We’ve had enough

Why did you post a link to a "noncredible source" when it takes the same amount of time to source credibly?

R385

R389 FYI With or without Meloni, Italy does not have gay marriage or adoptions. And it will stay as it is now.

If that bothers you, stay away from Italy.

Real simple.

R388 Just outed himself and is too deficient mentally to understand this

[quote] Meloni opposes abortion, euthanasia, and laws that recognize same-sex marriage

She supports the current law which allows abortion up to 90 days (3 months).

She supports current law of civil unions for same-sex couples.

No idea about euthanasia.

Try to get it right.

So, when does she rip her mask off Scooby-doo style and reveal that she's actually Ilsa the-she-Nazi Le Pen.

[quote]Why did you post a link to a "noncredible source" when it takes the same amount of time to source credibly?

I don't know what you are talking about but some idiot posted that Meloni actually has not won the election (LOL) until all votes are counted.

I'm simply showing that EVERONE including the most rabidly anti-Meloni press acknowledges her victory.

[quote] what she does with immigrants is up to her

One of the articles upthread discusses this. She was asked why she opposed immigration when the birth rates in Italy were declining. She said it's because it's mostly men who are coming and not families or women. She discussed vetting immigrants based on what Italy needed. That's not some crazy idea. Don't all countries do this?

Keeping your country stable is important for progress both economically and societally.

You're so right. Literally. Don't bother counting every vote. That's ,like not fair.

R397 Are like maybe 14 years old?

R393.

Post a link to a source that contradicts this person biography.

You can't and you won't.

^^ Wiki biography article? Depends on who edits and contributes to that article. That's not exactly a sure thing when it comes to credibility.

You answer questions with a question.

You're unable to source proof for your assertions and dismiss others who do as "spamming".

So? post a link to a credible source r400.

You can't and you won't.

A right-wing populist and Italian nationalist, her political positions have been described as far right, which she rejects as a label to describe her views.

She describes herself as a Catholic Christian and a conservative, and says she defends "God, fatherland, and family".

She is opposed to abortion, euthanasia, and to partnerships, marriages, and parenting by same-sex couples, saying that nuclear families are exclusively headed by male–female pairs.

Opposed to the reception of non-European migrants and multiculturalism, she has been accused of xenophobia and Islamophobia.

A supporter of NATO, she maintains Eurosceptic views regarding the European Union, which she describes as Eurorealist, and was in favour of better relations with Russia before the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, which she condemned, pledging to keep sending arms to Ukraine.

"Populist"= beauty school dropout.

"She describes herself as a Catholic Christian and a conservative, and says she defends "God, fatherland, and family".

R399 There's nothing to contract. But there is plenty to put into context.

Her carrier and background are well known to Italians. They've also seen how the Fratelli D'Italia operates in their communities. And they are impressed.

They've made a choice and have voted for her and what Italians regard as the center right.

But even so, you have to understand that today Italians are a population without any illusions. They're rather cynical about politics and politicians. Meloni will be on trial with the Italians just like any other PM. They are not expecting miracles.

Notice that there has been no calls of irregularities in this election. No protesting in the streets over this election. What does that tell you?

Meloni won in a landslide...and it is not because of voters who traditionally vote for the right, it is because voters on the left have decided to vote for her.

Maybe they know something you don't.

"many people are saying", it's just an unwed mother with long standing ties to fascism.

"Unwed mother" does not sound very 'fascist'

Making a baby outside of marriage, ie: "Fornication" doesn't sound conservative either.

Party members have rules for thee, not for me.

[quote]Party members have rules for thee, not for me.

What rules for unwed mothers is she proposing?

BTW, just so you know: "in Italy, maternity leave is compulsory and women must take up to two months off from work before her due date and three months off after the baby's birth."

Compulsory.

And: "Fathers are also obligated to take a seven-day paid leave of absence from work during the five months of maternity leave. The mother has the option to extend the father's paternal leave if she transfers one of her maternity days to him."

"During the five-month leave, women are paid up to 80% of their wage ( by the government) but companies usually pay for the remainder 20%."

Now tell me about the US.

You think she's going to change those laws?

And as for Infant mortality rate (number of infants dying before reaching one year of age, per 1,000 live births in a given year.) The US ranks far higher than Italy for number of deaths.

Instead of being so concerned about Italy....and wild claims of "fascism". ......maybe you should be a little more concerned about YOUR country.

Not too bright are you?

Meloni has a daughter, Ginevra, with her partner Andrea Giambruno,[182][183] a journalist who works for Silvio Berlusconi's Mediaset TV channel.[184] She has said that she is a Christian and has used her religious identity in part to help build her national brand. In a 2019 speech to a rally in Rome, she said: "I am Giorgia. I'm a woman, I'm a mother, I'm Italian, I'm Christian."[99][185][186] In September 2022, she reportedly continued to embrace the old Italian Fascist slogan "God, fatherland and family". She said she resents being linked to Italy's Fascist past.

You claim to be conservative, pro-family and a white wing Catholic, but you're "living in sin", fornicating and making children outside of marriage.

Logical.

Odd how much fascists resent being called fascists.

Like the word has negative connotations or something.

[quote]Are we seriously bashing her for being an "unwed mother"? That status doesn't mean she doesn't appreciate or value families.

No, not really, I think it's easy to accept that she is an unwed mother and I don't think there's a problem with that. The problem comes in if she thinks fucking guys outside of marriage is fine for her but not for anybody else, particularly not for guys, because of some stupid Bible blather. If that's the case, than she is being a hypocrite and should be ridiculed for it.

They don't know what fascism means, which is why they say January 6 is the work of antifa.

Well, fascism is a little hard to pin down sometimes. What exactly would you say fascism is r415? Or anyone else in this thread?

fascism as defined in dictionaries :

Noun

1.A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

2.A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

3.Oppressive, dictatorial control.

R417, that dictionary definition doesn’t explain how a country gets there

[Quote]. (Fascism has a) “ typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.”

Ding ding ding!! We have a winner

That wasn't the question r418.

R411 Not too bright are you?

[quote]Meloni has a daughter, Ginevra, with her partner Andrea Giambruno, a journalist who works for Silvio Berlusconi's Mediaset TV channel. She has said that she is a Christian and has used her religious identity in part to help build her national brand.

Something wrong with that? Italy is a deeply Catholic country.

Catholics do have children out of wedlock. Has she been excommunicated? Has the Pope commented? Has she denied anything?

[quote]In a 2019 speech to a rally in Rome, she said: "I am Giorgia. I'm a woman, I'm a mother, I'm Italian, I'm Christian."

Just horrible. How dare she!

[quote]In September 2022, she reportedly continued to embrace the old Italian Fascist slogan "God, fatherland and family". She said she resents being linked to Italy's Fascist past.

God, Fatherland and Family. In other words: values that Italians hold dear.

[quote](Fascism has a) “ typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.”

Oh c'mon. Italy is not the US.

Read the Bible. That book you love to wave in people's faces telling them "you're going to Hell".

Your Bible weighs adultery and fornication as equal in sin to homosexuality.

You made a baby and you are unwed? You're a whore, darlin.

And you are going to hell too.

Thank you r417, and I'll add this based on some readings, although not any kind of lifelong study:

First and foremost, nationalism, tinged with racism. Nations are almost mystic things, bonding people together in some kind of sacred union that has at least something to do with bloodlines and blood relationships. Italy has a pretty short history as an actual nation-state, but clearly the concept of Italians bound together in some way as one people goes well back, sort of into the Roman Empire, but that is of course complicated by the fact that Rome was very much a special city and other Italians were subordinate allies at best. Still, Italian exists as a thing for centuries, even during the Renaissance and all those little city states.

Militarism, the idea that war is actually a good thing, it's how nations test themselves against other nations. You don't necessarily need to hate all other nations, but you are in some sense in competition with them, and you should periodically test yourself against them through war. I'm not sure this has anything to do with modern Italy or will play much of any role in some new "fascist" government.

Authoritarianism. Everything really should be subordinate to your loyalty to the state and its leader. Its okay to have corporations, churches, other organizations, unions as long as everybody understands these are subordinate to the State and its interests (because the state in some way embodies the whole people and attempts to divide the people are bad). Not okay to have different political parties, and Mussolini got rid of those as soon as he could. Also, democracy is emphatically not some ideal. It can occasionally be useful, but there is absolutely no reason to support democracy as an ideal in fascism. Again, not sure how this plays out if at all. A dictatorship? Is that something Meloni could conceivably do? I doubt it. Italian democracy is relatively new, but I don't think it's nearly fragile enough to have somebody come in and simply sweep it away with ease.

Is Meloni a fascist? I don't know. If she is, can she make Italy fascist? I do doubt that. Is she a wingnut dingbat with fake family values, like Trump and the vast majority of Republicans in Congress? That seems somewhat likely actually.

"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.”

[quote]A dictatorship? Is that something Meloni could conceivably do?

Are you able to understand that Italy is a member of the EU?

Do Italians really say "Fatherland" r421. Seems so German and goosestepping.

Yes, r426. So is Hungary, and they are doing their best to slip into a dictatorship. Nevertheless, I really don't think Meloni could pull off that shit in Italy, even if that is her intention. And yes, the EU would be a factor in preventing it.

The Serbian party member chooses to respond rhetorically.

The Serb opposes posting links to confirm a point.

R421 Uh...this might be news to you but Italians speak Italia. They say "patria".

The definition of the word patria:

"L'ambito territoriale, tradizionale e culturale, cui si riferiscono le esperienze affettive, morali, politiche dell'individuo, in quanto appartenente a un popolo: il suolo, i confini della p.; aver nostalgia della p. lontana; tradire la p.; combattere per la p."

"Paese di origine di qualcosa (cui si associa o si sostituisce il riferimento a condizioni ambientali che ne favoriscano particolarmente la diffusione o lo sviluppo)."

I read Italy received 20 billion from the EU, seems a small sum.

^ sorry for the typo: Should read: "but Italians speak Italian"

Her partner Andrea Giambruno is hot.

He's a sold Meh...

[quote] I'm a woman, I'm a mother, I'm Italian, I'm Christian.

That's not a speech, those are lyrics to a 90s Meredith Brooks hit.

Meloni intends to move Italy in the direction of Hungary—all by blaring everything she does is in the name of family!!

[Quote] Is Meloni a fascist? I don't know. If she is, can she make Italy fascist? I do doubt that.

Italy already seems to be on board with her refusing equality to gays and blaming immigrants for the country’s problems. That was easy enough

Putin.

Trump.

Bolsonaro.

Duda.

Orban.

If you can't see where this is all headed you're fucking blind.

R438, They’re not fascists!!!

(plus:

LePen

Meloni

Prince Bonesaw

Erdogan)

[quote]Meloni intends to move Italy in the direction of Hungary

Imagine doing a mid-night (!) walking tour in an American city.

[quote] The problem comes in if she thinks fucking guys outside of marriage is fine for her but not for anybody else, particularly not for guys, because of some stupid Bible blather. If that's the case, than she is being a hypocrite and should be ridiculed for it.

I don't recall she has said this, has she?

Fornication out of marriage is not an excommunicable sin. Neither is homosexuality. Abortion, however, is.

What exactly is her objection to homosexuality of any kind r442? It's clear she has some kind of objection. What is it?

What are the chances that Italy will be a fascist dictatorship in five years r437? Can you put a percentage on it?

[Quote] Fornication out of marriage is not an excommunicable sin. Neither is homosexuality. Abortion, however, is.

Divorce is too. What’s her position on that?

R444, it’s not going to become a dictatorship but 100% chance laws will be passed to tilt it in that direction

Steve Bannon is a Russian agent who spent a lot of fucking time in Italy a short time ago. He helped make this Extremist get "elected." And this is about NATO. Ukraine has applied for membership. IT has to be unanimous. It won't be. There are people out here who seem inconsequential. Insane. Whack jobs. We tend to dismiss them. Guys like Roger Stone, Steve Bannon and Michael Flynn. We shouldn't.

[quote]He helped make this Extremist get "elected."

Total bullshit.

And explain to us why elected is in quotation marks?

[quote]And this is about NATO. Ukraine has applied for membership. IT has to be unanimous. It won't be.

Even at this stage Jens Stoltenberg is lukewarm about Ukraine's entrance. And it has been France and Germany that have opposed it in the past. 30 countries have to unanimously approve.

the serbian who lives part-time in Italy, who reads and speaks Italian and is therefore an expert on this subject has declared a comment bullshit and followed up with a demand.

what natural authority.

the serb could post a link to a source that confirm the prime ministers support for Ukrainians, but that is like, too much work.

if he says it's bull its bull and that's that.

Serbian? You ARE nuts.

Bud, you made the claim that Steve Bannon helped get Meloni elected. Absurd. Let's see your proof of that.

Will Meloni approve Ukraine's entrance into Nato? Will Macron? Will Olaf Scholz?

Reuters : "“We appreciate Italy’s continued support for Ukraine in the fight against Russian aggression,” wrote the Ukrainian president, who is counting on a “fruitful cooperation with the new government.” The PM-hopeful’s response: “you can count on our loyal support.” "

For the idiot at R450:

Prior to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, Meloni was in favour of better relations with Russia.

In her 2021 biography book I am Giorgia, she wrote that Russia under Vladimir Putin defends European values and Christian identity.

She has since condemned the invasion and pledged to keep sending arms to Ukraine.

She is supportive of NATO,although she maintains Eurosceptic views towards the European Union,[155] having also previously advocated a withdrawal from the eurozone.

[quote]although she maintains Eurosceptic views towards the European Union, having also previously advocated a withdrawal from the eurozone.

I have to laugh when the US press criticizes her for being "Eurosceptic ". Gee, the UK was so Eurosceptic it left the EU.

After receiving a twenty billion handout from the EU, the travel agent has no intention of receding from the European Union.

It's Italy. She'll be gone in 18 months.

She had a bastard child. Shouldn't she be stoned to death? Isn't that the holy ordained punishment for her sin?

Take it up with Jesus, dude.

Her Bible instructs fornication as a sin.

[quote]It's Italy. She'll be gone in 18 months.

Whatever. Who knows. But one thing for sure, the Italian populace has spoken: no more mass immigration. If the left wants to gain power again it will have to adopt a hard-line policy. See Denmark for details.

Excommunication is governed by the 1983 Code of Canon Law (CIC).

The 1983 Code specifies various sins which carry the penalty of automatic excommunication:

apostasy,

heresy,

schism (CIC 1364:1),

violating the sacred species (CIC 1367),

physically attacking the pope (CIC 1370:1),

sacramentally absolving an accomplice in a sexual sin (CIC 1378:1),

consecrating a bishop without authorization (CIC 1382),

directly violating the seal of confession (1388:1), and

someone who actually procures an abortion.

Gaslighting and goalpost moving. This is what magats do best.

[quote]The American left would love to see Italy continue being the dumping ground for hordes of immigrants.

Only in your mind dipshit. Americans dont care what Italy does and visa versa. If anything, Italy is far more progressive than America is when it comes to immigrants. If we saw boats abandoned by their captains headed straight for our shores full of Mexican immigrants, you can bet we would board that boat, turn it around and dock it in the nearest Mexican port.

R462 The American press has done nothing but portray Meloni as "anti immigrant" and slam Meloni for wanting to create a naval blockade to protect the coast from boats coming in. As I wrote: The American left would love to see Italy continue being the dumping ground for hordes of immigrants.

more gaslighIng.

There is nothing preventing you from providing sources that demonstrate this person isn't just a travel agent with thirty years of association to fascist groups, a baby born out of wedlock and a father who served a decade in prison for drug smuggling.

Meloni's opposition to immigration has animated her and her base

In August, Meloni posted a video on social media saying she would introduce a naval blockade to patrol the Mediterranean, to interdict people whom she called "illegal immigrants" from North Africa.

"What is important in the campaign is not the policy itself. It's the message — 'we will stop them at any cost,'" says historian Lorenzo Castellani, a professor at Rome's LUISS University. "She is proposing herself as a sort of defender of the borders, a very Trumpian approach from this point of view," Castellani says, referring to former President Donald Trump's anti-immigration rhetoric and policies.

[quote]"What is important in the campaign is not the policy itself. It's the message — 'we will stop them at any cost,'"

He's wrong. It's the policy.

If she doesn't deliver, if it's all just "messaging" she'll be out on her ass.

[quote]There is nothing preventing you from providing sources that demonstrate this person isn't just a travel agent with thirty years of association to fascist groups, a baby born out of wedlock and a father who served a decade in prison for drug smuggling.

There is nothing to deny.

According to NPR she is nothing more than a a travel agent with thirty years of association to fascist groups, a baby born out of wedlock and a father who served a decade in prison for drug smuggling. Fine.

Now it's up to you to figure out why the left voted for her.

R465 A perfect example of what the Italians are tired of: Lefty academics saying shit like this, "She is proposing herself as a sort of defender of the borders, a very Trumpian approach from this point of view".

As if protecting the borders is somehow wrong.

Post your own link to your own sources.

You don't dare.

A proposito (sondaggio YouGov):

"il 77% degli italiani ritiene che il livello d’immigrazione sia “troppo alto” nel Paese. "

Anche la maggioranza della PD: 63%

More than 20,000 migrants and refugees have died at sea while trying to reach Europe from Africa.

if they have died at sea, they're not a problem dumbass.

Why does DL have so many fascist lovers?

R471 Those coffins are in Italy.

Italian taxpayers have to pay for all those coffins.

⚰ are less expensive than a lifetime of public support for people and their kids who sneak into the country illegally.

Fucking dummy.

R475 = Abusive.

[quote]The American press has done nothing but portray Meloni as "anti immigrant"

Is there any question about this? Of course she is anti immigrant. It is 100 percent the primary source of her campaign and her election. No I don't have a link. No I don't need a link. She is anti-immigrant or her entire party and politics and electoral victory makes zero sense.

[quote] The American press has done nothing

Ignore those fools. Go to the Italian press.

In the weeks after Russia's invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, Claudio Descalzi, CEO of Italian energy major Eni, embarked on a whirlwind of trips to gas suppliers in Africa.

The visits included meetings with officials in Algeria in February plus talks in Angola, Egypt and Republic of Congo in March, with Descalzi often accompanied by senior Rome officials, according to company and government releases.

State-controlled Eni and Italy were able to leverage existing supply relationships with those nations to secure extra gas to replace a large part of the volumes it received from its top supplier Russia.

[quote]Is there any question about this? Of course she is anti immigrant. It is 100 percent the primary source of her campaign and her election. No I don't have a link. No I don't need a link. She is anti-immigrant or her entire party and politics and electoral victory makes zero sense.

You are wrong.

Being against uncontrolled mass immigration does not equal "anti-immigrant". Only in your feeble mind.

yes, I get the fascist impulse is to lie constantly about everything, especially goals and policies. But this is a stupid lie. Of course she is against immigration. It is the whole point of her campaign and really her entire life. This is a stupid lie and you should drop it r480.

R481 Do you speak Italian? Have you listened to her speeches? Do you read the Italian press?

No to all that r482. Why do you think she won? What do you think is the essence of her campaign and her election?

Your people steal their resources leaving them in desperate poverty with no choice to leave their country for a better life. Many of "them" have died during this process and now you are complaining that you pay for the coffins.

"God, family, fatherland", a fascistic classic

R483 Of course you don't speak Italian. Of course you know nothing about her campaign. Of course you have not followed it. You know nothing about modern day Italy. Or the culture. Or the problems facing people.

Honey, you're trying to make her awesome when you just need to make her believable. It's okay, but you are just trying way to hard. You need to back it up a step or three r486.

Il Duce might not have been displeased that Meloni will have the job he once filled, given her past praise for him as a leader, fruit of her years of militancy in the neo-fascist Italian Social Movement party, founded in 1946 to preserve Italian Fascism. Her party’s slogan, "God, Fatherland, Family," dates back to the regime.

The serbian who resides part-time in Italy assures you the travel agent won the hearts and minds of Italy in a landslide.

It turns out she received less than one third of the vote.

sounds familiar to Americans.

R485 More idiocy from Americans.

She never said ""God, family, fatherland", she said "Dio, Patria, Familia" but the US press deliberately throws in the word "fatherland"....no, the word is "patria".

Fatherland IS associated with Hitler and the word is out of use. It is archaic.

However, the word "patria" is an everyday word. La mia patria e' l'Italia.

In related news Russia is farming out their trollfarm work to Serbia.

R489 LOL. Her coalition won in a landslide. Over 40% You understand nothing about the Italian political system. The opposition garnered less than 20%.

R486 Nowhere have I ever said she is "awesome". See post R406

Google. Translate.

R493 *sigh* How many times have you ever used the word "fatherland" in your life? Never. Because it has connotations to Hitler. "Patria" on the other hand is a common word in usage to denote "my country".

The part-time serbian is the telling you, Google, a trillion dollar multinational company translated the word, "patria" incorrectly.

The pt serb asserts the travel agent won the election in a landslide but will not provide a link to confirm this.

Giorgia Meloni, head of the neo-fascist Brothers of Italy party, is set become prime minister after her party received 26% of the vote in Sunday's elections.

[R495] This is the definition of Patria:

1.L'ambito territoriale, tradizionale e culturale, cui si riferiscono le esperienze affettive, morali, politiche dell'individuo, in quanto appartenente a un popolo: il suolo, i confini della p.; aver nostalgia della p. lontana; tradire la p.; combattere per la p.

2.Paese di origine di qualcosa (cui si associa o si sostituisce il riferimento a condizioni ambientali che ne favoriscano particolarmente la diffusione o lo sviluppo).

From Collins dictionary re: fatherland: "The word fatherland is particularly associated with Germany."

Oxford Dictionary re: fatherland: "Germany during the period of Hitler's control."

Patria does not have those connotations. See definition at top of post.

If you object to the use of the word "patria" then your quarrel is not with Meloni but with the entire country of Italy, with every Italian newspaper and every television station, with all of Italy's lawmakers and with its people. Because they ALL use the word when referring to ideas connected to the love of Italy.

It is a coalition that wins.

It's not the US with two rivals, dumbass.

Note the headline.

Vince il centrodestra, trionfa la Meloni.

(The center-right wins, Meloni triumphs.)

la coalizione di centrodestra supererebbe il 40%

Pd sotto il 20%,

The part-time serb is telling us Google is wrong and he is right.

[quote]If you object to the use of the word "patria" then your quarrel is not with Meloni but with the entire country of Italy, with every Italian newspaper and every television station, with all of Italy's lawmakers and with its people. Because they ALL use the word when referring to ideas connected to the love of Italy.

God you are stupid.

My objection is not with using the word "patria", my objection is using the word "fatherland" for patria which has connotation with Hitler. Patria is commonly used as "my country" and does not have the Nazi era connotations that the word Fatherland has.

Got it now?

The 14 year old at R500 is making a fool of herself.

The 85 year old part-time serb tells us Google is wrong and IT is right.

Il matrimonio è onorevole in tutti, e il letto incontaminato: ma i prostituti e gli adulteri Dio giudicherà.

Se questo suona come Tucker Carlson di Fox News o altre figure repubblicane, c'è una ragione.

Come Meloni ha detto al Washington Post, il suo partito sente una parentela con il GOP, ed è in frequente dialogo con Steve Bannon e i politici repubblicani.

"Abbiamo reti che ci collegano, i nostri think tank lavorano con l'International Republican Institute, con la Heritage Foundation, facciamo scambi culturali e molte delle loro lotte riguardano cose di cui abbiamo parlato".

Hillary Clinton thinks Meloni's election is "a good thing"

Giorgia Meloni, a capo del partito neofascista Fratelli d'Italia, è destinata a diventare primo ministro dopo che il suo partito ha ricevuto il 26% dei voti nelle elezioni di domenica.

R507 There you go again.

Explain to us. How could she win an election with 26% of the votes? How many votes did her rival get?

I'm looking forward to your answer.

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Here BTW is a sober article from The Hill:

Yelling Fascist and Nazi at everyone you disagree with, pushing a Trans agenda where we have 65 genders and a Straight man with a dick can say he is a Lesbian and then call a woman who won’t sleep with him a Transphobe. Pushing a Leftist agenda and a Globalist world view and saying every illegal immigrant is as pure as the driven snow . Pushing the Gay Agenda and having nothing to do with real Gay rights are just some of the reasons you have Meloni. If you can’t even accept that there is no point in having a discussion. …. Communist….. Stalinist. See how that fucking works hypocrites.

Ancora una preoccupazione marginale a partire da pochi anni fa (con il 2% dei voti alle elezioni legislative del 2013 e il 4% nel 2018), il partito guidato dalla signora Meloni è chiaramente uscito in testa, vincendo oltre il 26% dei voti espressi.

A parte la natura brusca della sua ascesa, la cosa più sorprendente di questo sviluppo è il suo carattere pervasivo.

Dal nord al sud del paese, comprese le roccaforti più solide della LN (come il Veneto, il nord Italia), dove Fratelli d'Italia ha solitamente un'influenza trascurabile, la signora Meloni ha prevalso tra i gruppi di destra.

L'"agenda gay" deve essere trattata come un essere umano con rispetto e dignità.

Fascisti e nazisti non capiscono il significato delle parole rispetto e dignità.

Se aveste questa comprensione, non sareste fascisti, magat nazisti.

The ignorant American using google translate for every one of his comments isn't convincing anyone.

She's a standard conservative in Italy. Sorry. I know you want and need her to be fascist, but she's not: her policies are straight down the line Italian conservative, with a touch of Eurosceptism.

Nel marzo 2018, Meloni ha criticato The Walt Disney Company per la decisione di rappresentare una coppia gay nel film fantasy musicale Frozen II, scrivendo sui suoi social network: "Basta! Ne siamo stufi! Togli le mani dai bambini!