REVENGE Part 10-Tell All Books, Funerals, Scandals, and Royals

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Thanks for the continuation!! OP

Will these two ever be emotionally healthy enough to do what they said at the end of the Oprah Winfrey interview and not speak about the royal issues again and move on? Seems increasingly that the Oprah interview was a failed extortion/ shakedown that they can't accept didn't work.

Thanks for the continuation!! OP

Will these two ever be emotionally healthy enough to do what they said at the end of the Oprah Winfrey interview and not speak about the royal issues again and move on? Seems increasingly that the Oprah interview was a failed extortion/ shakedown that they can't accept didn't work.

Welcome back, everyone.... 🙂

r4 Great gif! Very apt!

Meghan married into the Royal Family so that she too could be part of the rich and powerless.

An excerpt from Valentine Low's book on Harry and Meghan "stunting & cuntin'" and bullying their staff.

(Archived from behind The Times paywall)

Wow, the first excerpts of Courtiers goes absolutely nuclear on the Harkles. The level of damning and convergent detail from multiple sources is a pile the couple may not be able to dig themselves out from. Posters on the previous thread suggested that he had access to the independent report from the investigation into the bullying incidents. Maybe, but the Palace was emphatic about not releasing them. Instead I think they quietly released former and present staff from their NDAs.

I'm pretty sure the couple's lawyers received an advance copy. Low did this with his first article about the bullying and there was no response (besides Afria, Markle's lawyer, who said "It's not the Meghan I know") and, more importantly, no litigation. No response or threat to sue like the last time? Seems like Low and Bower may be bullet proof at this point.

This first glimpse into Low's book explains the content and timing of Tyler Perry's ridiculous, out-of-the-blue "Meghan and Harry are the epitome of LOVE!" statement. That was a weak sauce preemptive strike. But what have they got left?

Quote from the end of the last thread: "I wouldn't count on a divorce. He's nowhere near it. He is totally controlled by her."

Dude - He's not *completely* controlled by her, he's largely controlled by her, and IMHO that's because he wants to be told what to do all day. He grew up having others arrange his schedule and take care of all the details, he went into the army where he acted on orders received. He wants the cook to prepare his meals and tell him when it's time to eat, and he wants Meg to arrange for millions to flow in, and to tell him when to show up and do a bit of glad-handing.

But I agree, there's no imminent divorce. Nobody else does what those two do for each other - encourage their rage and delusions. They really bring out the worst in each other, and they like it that way. .

If Meghan had went to Balmoral the headlines would have read:

QUEEN'S DYING WISH TO GIVE MEGHAN WINDSOR CASTLE, RESTORE HER HRH, AND BESTOWS SAME TO PRINCE ARCHIE & PRINCESS LILLI!

MEGHAN AND THE QUEEN'S SWEET FAREWELL MOMENT!

THE QUEENS 2 BILLION DOLLAR BLESSING! HARRY & MEGHAN CLEAN UP IN WILL READING!

Whew, the Low book seems to confirm even beyond the Bower how truly obnoxious Meghan is, and how hapless Harry is. Meghan might want to listen a few times to Elizabeth's speech when she turned 21, committing her life, whether long or short, to the nation.

There is a thread OPEN on the Low book. Please consolidate comments on the Low book there, as Angela Levin and Katie Nicholl also both have books out now.

We are on part 10 MISSY! Don't tell us where to post!

At least the tiara story turned out differently than Meghan wanting the gaudy emerald one.

And r12 posts to the thread with four responses when there's a thread with over 130 posts and counting 😆

Effective hall monitoring is a real art though, R15. R12 seems to be garden variety bigging herself up, to fill a need.

R13 I will answer to Prissy but not to Missy.

There are two other damned books out now, Levin's and Nicholl's.

I did THINK it MIGHT be helpful to have one JUST for the LOW book so we don't get all bollixed up like we always do when ten ANCILLARY topics are inserted into a thread with ONE topic.

Sirrah.

After reading multiple BRF books (prior to Megan), I still say there is plenty of blame to go around. The courtiers are usually the problem.

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Courtiers are the problem? I thought The Douchess was a big strong hear me roar Feminist. No courtiers gonna keep her down!! Hell she took on P & G as a child. Opened her Own suitcase. Cooked burgers on a roof. Then reprised the burger connection...dressing as the Hamburglar as a nod to that world chnging burger flip!

"dressing as the Hamburglar" -- Oh, my. What did I miss?

Like Meghan,I feel like these threads are never enough. More ! More !

Was her new, electroshock therapy hairstyle ever explained?

Then she died.

R 20 Some totally witty DL'e described Meghan's caped outfit as cosplay for Hamburglar. Since, that brilliant image I can't get it out of my head. Hence, Hamburlar

Thanks, R23. I kept thinking about stripes. But, yes, the gloves and the hat...

I read an interesting poston another forum that linked to an instagram or reddit page and the details line up.Basically Prince william is known for testing people with information to test if they are trustworthy and genuine . He tells them something that is untrue but tells nobody else about it so if the information leaks he knows who it is and that they cant be trusted-he then removes them from his social circle or distances himself from them.During the lead up to the funeral there were reports in the UK papers that the Queen would return from Scotland by train and stop off at key train stations on the route to allow the public to pay their respects and see the coffin.This turned out not to be true as we know she was flown by plane with Princess Anne. Apparently that wrong story was given to Harry by William to test him and he failed the test as the information made its way into the press likely with the help of scobie.

Mr and Mrs I want my privacy and private information protected are leakers of other peoples business.That would help explain some of the tension of the past week.They were found out again.

I know for a fact William does that. He did it to someone I know. I completely believe this r25

r36 did the person you know fail or pass the test? Harry must be really dumb to have fallen for it.

Sorry r27 post meant for r26

Unfortunately she failed - spectacularly

Unfortunately she failed - spectacularly

R28, do you have a life or just post about Meghan 24/7? If you don't work, how about volunteering and do some good?

r31 I do both of those things so do yourself a favour take your own advice and sod off. Whatever you are being paid to be a sad distracting disruptive troll its too much. Perhaps Harry and Meghan could do some volunteering rather than scrolling the internet all day to see what people are saying about them and sitting around smoking large amounts of pot.

I'm being paid nothing But I notice your name on dozens of shit-stirring posts. You are mentally ill. Blocked.

R32 I don’t get it - why do people read all the way down these threads just to scold posters. I don’t see that happening on others like the Johnny depp ones. If you look at the feed these royal threads are far from the only things to read. Why come in here to reprimand ?

r34 I agree.Its very obviously an element of PR tactics and over the top fans.I certainly wasnt going to let them make such a nasty personal dig at me withoutexercising my right to reply.

r33 dont confuse uncomfortable truths being highlighted with shit stirring and shit stirring with who?? You are giving these forums more power than they have.You make it sound as if people in royal circles read on here and learn new information of me!! Crazy talk!

…. Or has tiiiiiime rewritten every line?

Why would anyone think bots are posting here, when 95% of the posters are anti Harry and Meghan? What would someone post to change q mind?

They collapse into a deep and robbing sleep that deprives them of the last 24 hrs, ensuring their girls could construct fairy princess uniforms in "consructive phases" as the Russian army left them without hygiene or reconstruction alternatives.

Someone's being led into being wholesale BUTCHER'S price? That being cheap, cheap, cheap.

In other words, they're are supposed to be "comfort women" in aid of their poorly defended dicks!

Except, Russian army penetraton was supposed

Is this from her video will?

[QUOTE]Is this from her video will?

The will of a Russian foreign destruction army from the east, (i.e. Mother Russia) will always include the rape and destruction of women in held territories, as it always has been.

ok then, time to stop following this thread.

Such a common phenomenon. People who are absolutely useless themselves are usually the most likely to find fault on others.

Does Putin dislike Meghan, too?

Deja vu

R37 people like Harry and Meghan are convinced the rabble are idiots that just need to be beaten down into seeing things their way. That approach can work with people that are in your personal sphere (as long as they are forced by personality or circumstance to stay there long enough for it to work), but trying to influence on a global level takes a level of sophistication that neither Meghan nor Harry has ever developed. Still, as long as the checks clear, whatever company they have hired to deluge odd corners of the internet with pro-Markle propaganda will do so even if they know better.

Surviving Angel, if William does that or not, who knows. I’ve read the same about other cautious celebrities. But the queen’s coffin coming to London by train was part of the original Unicorn addendum to the London Bridge plan. It was listed in the timeline published in the Daily Mail when she died. In fact they had a coach brought up and waiting nearby but ultimately it was decided that the disruption to train services on the route would be too much and she was flown down.

Perhaps Harry didn't know about the change on plans? It sounds like the decision was made last moment.

[QUOTE] Unfortunately she failed - spectacularly

Can you give us an idea of what the misinformation was? Something gossipy or just banal stuff "I really like the take out curry at such-and-such a place."?

r46 They werent expecting her to die in Scotland so the travel from Scotland part of the plan may not have been concrete? I think most people expected it to be Windsor Castle or Sandringham?

I like to think she wanted to die in Scotland.

She loved Balmoral and the Queen Mother was a Scot.

Plus, knowing her own funeral plans, the Queen knew that if she died in Scotland, the Scottish part of the plan (Unicorn) would mean that she would be seen by all the people from Balmoral to Edinburgh, and in the capital, giving other Scots the time to wish her Bon Voyage.

There's no way of knowing, but I hope so.

When she went up there It has been said that she knew she would not be coming back.

Awaiting more scoops from "Courtiers" and wondering how Meghan is enjoying all these details being spread about. I don't know how much positive spin she can buy to counter the growing narrative that she's a bully. And dumb old Harry just thinks she's swell? (though surely he's getting plenty doses of her venom)

I didn't realize there was a separate thread about Courtiers. Man it's hard to keep up, but this is good shit! Got more legs than Amber and Johnny.

Meghan's got new puff piece about herself in "House Beautiful" and "Seventeen" magazine.

Now I know that celebs pay to have themselves featured in these stupid things. Not that I've read one in 20 years. With the Internet, who reads this boring junk?

Who in their right mind would buy this?: "Meghan Markle is an activist and an altruist. She's known to be passionate about making the world a better place..." (House Beautiful)

Bwahaha. Bullying one toddler at a time...

Megs is one of those stupid people who think they're smarter than the rest of us.

The comments on Insta are hilarious.

So, she didn’t need to worry about packing anything when she went to Scotland as she wasn’t going to be around very long?

New article by Neil Sean posted on Fox News - saying Meghan is desperate to get William to like her, but he has never budged (unlike Charles who she used to charm by listening to him talk about the theatre - something like that). Anyway, Charles liked her at first. I think he was her best shot -- they say the Queen sided with her, but remember, "Thank goodnesss Meghan's not coming" (to Philip's funeral)

Anyway, the article ends: “Harry alone will always be welcome, but no one – and I mean no one – trusts the deluded head, thoughts and mind of Markle. It’s as simple as that,” the source confided. (Neil Sean, Fox News article)

I know nothing about the machinations of Hollywood Union membership. Is what she did normal? A couple of youtubers use her "I'm such a fraud" declaration in this clip in all their videos about her, lol.

She's much more likeable in that clip R59 than in anything else I've seen her do - Oprah or whatever. She's the kind of person who becomes much more horrible, given a little bit of power. If only she had kept struggling as a C-list actress and Goop copycat blogger. Anyway the Peter Principle at work.

Re-reading that Neil Sean piece, aren't "head, thoughts and mind" all the same thing?

And he often misspells simple words as headers on his short youtube scoop videos. What a moron. But I do believe the article - though most of us could figure that out, just watching them interact. Or intentionally not interact.

Muriel just nuked the PR thread. My view is that she is ok w people dragging M&H or posting their opinions, but once some posters posted a different opinion, the haters started in on those posters.

Again, just my opinion, but I think they’re getting nuked for that reason.

I get nervous when we get multiple threads on Meghan and Harry. Maybe we could consolidate here? Hopefully it will be tolerated. I remember her actually deleting a few when they got numerous once. With the TIMES (UK) one, for me, it's just lined out but still accessible. I thought that meant the number of FF's reached a critical mass.

Yahoo article says M listed herself as a supermodel on her resume…

The Archie and Lilibet thread is closed.

R64, that’s why you can’t believe everything you read. I’ve read numerous times in these threads that Meghan claimed she was white before she met Harry. Come to find out recently it was listed, as was the supermodel thing, on these fake websites that can be edited by anyone and mostly inaccurate.

If only they'd had the sense not to do the Oprah interview, or, at least, had done a different one where they went all positive and said that they looked forward to rebuilding their lives, hoped to have an ongoing relationship with the BRF, wished things had worked out better on both sides, but, hey, they were so grateful to have the freedom to set their own priorities and explore new chapters . . .

Everything would have been different. But they had to go scorched earth and bitter and tell lies and stir the shit pot, and, of course, it had to be when Philip was dying. The Scobie book - no one took it seriously - but it was another Fuck You, and then Dax Shepherd and all the leaks of nasty stories and the photo ops to try to upstage stupid stuff like Louis' first day of school . . .

As far as what Meghan told people about herself, I don't think what she actually said is as relevant as what she did: her friends in Toronto were all white (Serena and Oprah and Gayle King and Tyler Perry were all post-Harry additions), she did join an all-white sorority at Northwestern, she evidenced zero interest in black culture, she ditched her black family before she even ditched her white father, she's on her second white husband and has never, so far as I have heard, had a relationship with a black man in her life. Her kids don't look black, shit, the little girl has white skin, blue eyes, and straight red hair. She hated her African hair and narrowed her nose, which is quite obvious looking at pictures of her as a young teen.

Whatever Meghan did or didn't say, it's obvious that she's leaned white and identified white all her life. She picked up the race card when it was useful, and it's also obvious that she sprays herself on those occasions when she wants to look more ethnic.

I don't think it's awful or unusual to come from a mixed background and feel closer to one side than the other. After all, it was the white father who coddled her, praised her, took responsibility for her, and treated her as if she was God's gift.

But I do think it's awful to pretend that you didn't feel that way despite a mountain of evidence, and only to start pretending you identify that way because it's useful.

She has plenty to dis, no reason to make things up.

Contrary to popular belief, DL doesn’t operate as a free for all site. Most threads aren’t like these Royal thread. Regular DLers would ridicule (and do on other threads) posters like many of the ones in these threads. This has never been a fan board. There is one particular particular humorless, mentally unhinged poster who’s constantly ranting and raving about how stupid ‘yanks’, ‘Americans’ are and basically bullying other posters who don’t agree with them and calling them cunts, twats and morons. Ironic given they hate Meghan for being a ‘cunt’ and a ‘bully’ when they are engaging in the same behavior and the same words can be used to describe them. I’m sure that is a major contributing factor to shutting down these threads. It’s ruining the tone of the board. Plus, there doesn’t have to be 50 new threads a day about TRF/M&H.

What is the PR thread? (Or was, I gather.)

R69 yes, I’ve blocked a few of these posters. DLers definitely have an interest in M&H and I think enjoy having nuanced but bitchy conversations. They DON’T enjoy being insulted and ridiculed for having a difference of opinion, especially when most of us are here to make fun of them.

Funny enough (not for them), that poster has been banned or cleared their cookies r69. Their last post was on Meghan thread about her clothes at the funeral. And her last post mocked us for running to Muriel like a bitch. Uh-huh…

It’s here r70, but the thread is closed.

Never would I ever give up a guaranteed lifetime job where the job description is simply: Glad-handing a couple times a week for a few hours. Maybe once or twice a year glad-handing every day of the week on a business trip.

The phenomenal perks alone: housing, company car, staff, security, wardrobe allowance, paid vacations including travel and accommodations, medical, dental and vision FOR LIFE. Not to mention the automatic adulation and deference received at every turn. I would be me smiling and "Yes-ing" everyone to death. No hustling for work. My older brother would have an even better position than me? So what. Happens in ALL family-owned companies, oldest sibling is usually heir apparent. Also happens in non-family owned companies, there's always a CEO, President and VPs getting MUCH more than middle management. It's how the world works.

Harry be dumb. Rachel be dumber. Dumb and Dumber.

R71, unfortunately I think the poster is still here. They were the last poster in that pr thread before it was closed. They should be banned, but the fact that they their vulgar posts get upvoted speaks volumes. Yeah, I’ve never seen posters like the ones in these threads and I predate Meghan’s arrival. There weren’t even a lot of BRT. The tone is definitely not the usual DL, but they seem to think they are being cool. Haha

Oh, you’re right r74. I got my trolls confused. And I agree with you totally.

Princess Anne averages around 500 appearances a year, so it's more work than that. I get the point though, it's not digging ditches.

r73 Agreed. You have a guaranteed job, hobnobbing with the elite, and you really don't have to do very much. Cut a ribbon now and then, go to an event. Everything is done for you, there's a servant available at all times. Why in the world would you want to screw that up? That's why I call them Prince Dimwit and Dumbass.

r64 Interesting as I thought Yahoo News were pro Harry and Meghan .

This is the third excerpt from Low’s book, published today in the Times. It expresses barbed sympathy for Meghan and Harry. Key point, though: the Queen herself was the one who nixed their half in, half out proposal. There could be no comprise for her.

Low is a tabloid gossip.

Thank you, r79.

No he isn’t r80.

Tabloid gossip, until it reports what seems a reasonable explanation.

Can you imagine Harry and Meghan capering about with James Corden and Ellen DeGeneres nine months of the year, then going on royal tours the other three?

No way.

[QUOTE]until it reports what seems a reasonable explanation.

What does this even mean?

It means that R83 can’t justify the nonsense that Valentine Low is a tabloid gossip.

Reading the closing of the article, citing "someone who knows Harry":

[QUOTE]“There is a part of me that thinks Meghan did Harry the greatest kindness anyone could do to him, which was to take him out of the royal family, because he was just desperately unhappy in the last couple of years in his working life. We knew he was unhappy, but we didn’t really know what the solution would be. She came along and found the solution.”

On the surface this reads like simple relief and gladness that Harry was taken away from the world that caused him so much pain and grief. But no mention of Harry's progress towards happiness. This also may be interpreted as, "Thank God she took him off our hands. Every time we tried to help and offer solutions we were shot down and rejected. Now he's on his own to help himself, finally. What Harry doesn't understand about pulling a geographical is that he took himself with him." The relief is as much theirs as it is Harry's. The PITA is gone.

The horridness of this awful couple is beyond everything of how bad humans can get. Monsters the both of them.

Hitler and Eva agree r88.

Low is tabloid gossip. His subject matter is ridiculous. Only gossips are interested in this kind of stuff, whether he's revealing "the truth" or not. Harry and Meghan are a waste of time and space and should be ignored. Detailing their every ridiculous move only gives them publicity. He's just looking for scandal.

^^^^nice try ME GAIN. You still dont get a tiara.

Hitler is worse than Meghan and Harry, everyone agrees with that. But if you exclude actual criminals, murderers, rapists, ethnic cleansers etc. it's interesting how awful the Sussexes are on the spectrum of non-criminal human behaviour. I don't know why but I'm always surprised when I (thankfully rarely) run across people like this irl. Just straight-up awful people. Not people behaving intermittently badly as we all do from time to time but out and out assholes who go through life thinking they just have the bad luck to be surrounded by incompetent fools all day every day and never, ever stop to ponder if it it could be them.

[quote]Harry and Meghan are a waste of time and space and should be ignored.

Physician, heal thyself.

Fuck the tiara. I'm rich, and don't have to open an old age home.

Yes, she is rich. Much richer than me. It doesn't mean she isn't capable of being a bad person - which she quite clearly is. If we're disallowed from disliking people who are richer than us, or only able to dislike them on the sole basis of jealousy of their wealth, that means we have to stop disliking all sorts of shitheads (Trump, for one, who also has a lot more money than I do).

And haemorrhaging cash every minute, R94.

This excerpt makes clear that the half in half out arrangement would never have worked, the queen understood that best of all, given Meghan’s intentions to lobby for political causes.

Megs thought she hit the jackpot when she met Harry. If she hadn’t been in such a rush to force Harry’s hand, she would’ve realized that she could not wrest control for herself so she and Harry blew it up.

Now the BRF will chug along without them.

R73 is right -- she found herself in one of the most exalted positions one could find. But was in enough? Apparently not. She either could not conform to the rules, or she could not tolerate not being the sole star, or both. It's quite amazing what he threw away.

[quote]Harry be dumb. Rachel be dumber. Dumb and Dumber.

Dumb and Dumbarton.

R73, Thanks for your post.

I started to laugh as you painted the picture of being in that situation and not recognizing what Easy Street looks like.

By the end of your post, I was still laughing.

Thanks again.

Also r87, there is another more realistic reason Meghan took harry out of the Royal Family that was making him so unhappy' ... she never intended to stay in London and she knew (thought wrongly it appears) that harry was her only one and last hope at stardom.

None of this 'ultimate act of kindness' bs, Meghan knew all of this the first day she met Harry, even before she 'fell in love'.

I don't believe MM ever loved Harry or Trevor. They were just meal tickets she secured by marrying. And Harry sounds like one of the most unlovable people I've ever heard of. Vultures would be attracted by his fame, wealth and lack of both common sense and intelligence. He was always going to end up with someone like Meghan.

That she abandoned her father, her rescue dog Bogart (who apparently didn't like Harry), and now Bower and Low have documented how unpleasant and cruel both she and Harry have been to a vast range of people shows they are well suited. But she doesn't seem like someone who could ever fall in love. I'd imagine spending time with him must feel like work for her. He's a particularly dim ticket to ride. But where to? Does she seriously think she'll be POTUS?

Why not? If Donald Trump can become president, anyone can.

R103, at least she would probably quit after working for three months.

Then do interviews trashing the Presidency.

R79 Thank you for posting. Did I miss the second excerpt?

This third excerpt is fair, but rather less coherent. I don't know what the point of seeking who was to blame for failed negotiations or going on about people not grasping how unhappy H&M were in the first months of their marriage when it was plainly stated then and now in this excerpt: the Queen said no to part in/part out. If they wanted to represent the monarchy in any way, they would have to abide by its strict rules. That's not what they wanted, so no deal that would've made them happy was possible.

"[R73] is right -- she found herself in one of the most exalted positions one could find."

And she saw this "exalted position" as nothing more than a stepping stone to the kind of celebrity she'd always craved.

In one respect, I can understand her disdain for being working royalty, she'd never be in charge of her on life as a royal, a "Mrs. Spare" could never be master of her fate and captain of her soul. On the other hand... wanting to turn royalty into a Hollywood sort of fame does indicate an incredibly small mind.

I thought Meghan was told she could continue acting acter her marriage? If that's true, she should have done that and let Harry do the majority of engagements.

The bird looks like M

R109, I don't think she got any acting offers after her marriage.

She wasn't considered to be a great talent, and as a princess she was too famous-for-being-famous to vanish into a role.

She couldn’t do a gritty role with nudity for Oscar bait, the best she got was a voiceover that Harry tried to corner the Disney exec for.

R106, this is it, it was probably posted on another thread.

Just an FYI: today, the royal family website moved the Sussex profiles from their previous position right next to the Wales', to the very bottom of the section, below Princess Alexandra, the Kents, the Gloucesters and . . . right next to Andrew, the three turds at the bottom of the bowl.

I do believe the BRF are sending a message in their usual silent code.

Rifts healing, olive branches, right right right.

they've targeted Kate so shamelessly and sneakily, so good

What does any of this have to do with Kate? I don’t see her targeted.

[quote] What does any of this have to do with Kate? I don’t see her targeted.

Not R115, but, you really are clueless, R116.

R117. I think most of the world lacks your sense of perception.

I can't believe it's only been 18 days since Her Majesty passed away. It seems like an eternity.

It's the pace of media now. Everything is fast anymore.

The royal family don't have a "silent code", r114. The website has simply been updated. Harry, Meghan and Andrew no longer perform official duties, whereas the cousins do, so H, M and A appear after the cousins. They are still the immediate family of the King and have in the past performed official duties, so they are still included. The website reflects their public role, not personal relationships.

r116, speaking as someone who hasn't followed things as closely as others - I say it all started, publicly at least, with the Oprah interview - when Meghan named Kate as someone who had made her cry, leading to inevitable speculation that Kate/the BRF had leaked the wrong information to the press thereby targeting the Duchess, she did this during an incredibly racially charged, high profile interview, where Kate would not be able to answer back - Still, I don't believe Meghan wanted to use Kate in this way, evidenced by her calling her "a good person", I think saying that was a sign of guilt/conflict.

I only really became perturbed and semi-invested in all this ridiculousness when I saw the tweet/video below - I posted about it in the last thread, she's putting on a performance here to make Kate look like an aggressor, and with the foundation she (inadvertently or not) laid during the Oprah interview, she has, with a large section of people, been successful- #KKKate even picked up steam for a while - it's Kate who has been singled out and demonised, it's all gotten really nasty, and it needn't have.

The most recent excerpt of Low's book describes what it's like working for Charles. Hint: very, very tough. Although it appears he gets angry a lot, he doesn't make it personal?

I love that video R122. The way Meghan cringes back and the way Kate icily stares her down is fabulous ! You just know Kate wants to slap the taste out of that elderly black womans mouth 1

The low book and bower books are devastating to her reputation, it was in the trash before they came out her rep is in tatters , never to be put back again.

I wouldn't engage with middle-aged Markle either. The Princess of Wakes keeps it moving.

Interesting to hear her speak, although not about anything personal.

Anne and Andrew at around 0.30 seconds. She's such a loving big sister.

Did we ever find out exactly what happened at the end of the state funeral when Eugenie and Beatrice started to leave too early, briefly blocking the pallbearers? Did something happen between them and Meghan?

No r129, they were supposed to leave to join the family at the front of the church to watch the coffin brought out. I think there was a miscommunication with the usher. They eventually were able to head out.

OK, thank you.

That's an interesting clip, R122. I found Kate's expression fairly neutral. More like, bitch, we both know the truth about what happened and how you have been despicable since the beginning. One issue that Meghand and Harry have made veiled references to is that the Cambridges were distant, not as warm and welcoming to Meghan as they should have been. Well, events proved the Cambridges correct! They were wise and insightful not to trust Meghan.

Much more interesting is Meghan's reaction, I see fear, shame, profound insecurity, the charade completely blown. R122, much of the truth has been coming out over the past few months. Meghan was doing awful things since the beginning, such as making deals with media companies and personalities like Oprahessed and Gale involving merching access to her children and talking shit about the BRF, without which, ironically, Meghan is a nobody.

If Kate HAD been physically abusive, do you honestly think Meghan wouldn't have dropped that little nugget to Oprah?

Jesus, that video is being way overblown. Kate didn't exactly envelope Meghan with fondness, but to call that abusive and threatening is something only Meghan's lunatic fans would do. Kate was cool and kept her distance. And not for the first time. Meghan knows exactly how Kate feels about her, and in a public situation of this kind, fraught with potentially hostile crowds, having to come into close contact with the Wales' for the first time since their last appearance close together in the Commonwealth Service in the Abbey just before they left for good (they had nothing to do with each other at the Platinum Jubilee), Meghan was very likely extremely nervous.

She'd also recently threatened the family with more dirt. Meghan, like all bullies, is a coward.

When out in the light, the fear of accountability is there.

Kate gave her a cool Don't Think This Means Anything, Bitch look and it was well-deserved.

If Meghan wanted sweetness and light, she should have behaved differently.

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^Another piece of bad PR for the moronic Sussexes today.

If the stories about her past are true: Annulled marriage, yachting, mother's alleged legal problems. Then that makes her demands and attacks on the BRF all the more brazen and astounding. She has to know they did a background check and have all that info in their arsenal of ammunition. Harry should know better than anyone about the THOROUGH background checks.

The depths of narcissistic delusion is profound.

If someone in a position of authority knew my dirty little secrets, I would be polite to them and I certainly wouldn't antagonize them.

In the video, I think it looks like Meghan isn’t sure what to do, or doesn’t want to wave, or just wants to scramble back into the car, and Kate is trying to communicate to her without speaking, because SHE is actually the one who is aware of the cameras: “We went over all this before. You’re going to stand here and wave with the rest of us, just as we planned. And you’re not going to place the flowers you were handed by the wall. That simply isn’t how it’s done. What about this do you not understand?” And Meghan responds by awkwardly rearranging her hair… yet AGAIN… and waving in the lame, half-assed way she always has. Because after all, she’s not getting paid for this.

If the stories of her past are true, Meghan probably has convinced herself that they never happened, or she's counting on the Palace not releasing anything because of the optics of going after a poor, sweet, defenseless woman of color.

R137, which suggests the yachting stuff and the annulled marriage are not true. It can't be both ways.

I am not team Narcle but I don't believe for a minute she was yachting. That's just absurd.

Personally, I don't believe either the yachting stories or the stories about Doria.

I also don't subscribe to the surrogate stories. If that one had legs, Low of all people would have been able to ferret it out.

There's quite enough horrible about Meghan without going off the deep end.

What I think might have legs is the sex tape story. Harry went to Berlin and was photographed outside the offices of BILD, who broke the story and insisted they knew who had the tape (someone in Canada) and had seen enough of it to know it was Meghan.

I doubt there's little in the sexual arena that Meghan hasn't tried, and I don't think this remotely beyond her nature.

But I doubt that it will ever see the light. No one wants her kids to have to see that when they're older. I wouldn't put it past BILD, but I doubt any English or American outlet would touch it with the proverbial. But I think it more than possible it's out there.

These body language interpretations are absurd. I don’t believe them regardless of whom they are used against. The experts should be subjected to a blind test (two people in a situation they know nothing about) and see how accurate they are. Everyone knows Meghan is a bully and Catherine can’t stand her. That knowledge is driving the interpretation and not the other way round.

The Queen has just died, for god's sake. Do people expect giggly friendly chit-chat?

Even Sophie's glare, after the funeral. So what? It wasn't clear she was looking into Meghan's eyes as she glared - she could have been glaring at something just past Meghan - a car parking erratically or some other person.

R129 no explanation for the Yorkie pups and their bitch Mother interrupting the service the way they did. Did you notice William's head swivel around, like wtf?

The strangest Prince Dim and Dumbass story I have ever heard is that someone put out there in the universe that Archie was not real. They had a doll they were taking to appointments, to see the Queen. I was amazed that anyone would believe that shit.

I think you can't really judge facial expressions at a funeral, especially a Royal one. It's one of the few public events during which the Royal Family is NOT required to smile. They could regularly deal with anger and depression in the privacy of their own homes, and their funeral faces may reflect that, in addition to the obvious grief of losing a family member.*

*I am not a licensed therapist.

Boo fuckin hoo to any clodhopper who thinks the Duchess of Dullness deserves anything more than being roundly Ignored.

[quote]*I am not a licensed therapist.

Oh, honey... that never stopped anybody here.

[quote] I also don't subscribe to the surrogate stories. If that one had legs, Low of all people would have been able to ferret it out.

Nope. Not buying it. There is no way Low could publish or “ferret out”private medical information that would have HUGE implications for the Law of Succession.

The revelation that Markle used a surrogate whilst proudly displaying her bump everywhere would have massive ramifications.

Markle’s centre of gravity shifted (as all pregnant womens’ CoG shift), so to explain how she could pop down and up in a squatting position in high heels, legs together, and unaided in late pregnancy defies the laws of gravity.

Biomechanics of pregnancy and video evidence do NOT lie.

R144, what happened? Is there a clip of it around?

Sorry, R122, but M's nastiness toward Kate was apparent even before M & H were engaged.

You are ignoring what I remember as the firing shot by Meghan, the nasty blind item printed by M's pal on her gossip site, claiming that Kate didn't offer M a ride to the shops. It was quite noticeable at the time that these kinds of "gossip" pieces about the RF were not normal.

This was followed by M's behavior at that supposed "Fab Four" event where the 4 sat on stage. Kate, noticeably pregnant at the time, was wearing a blue dress. As Kate started to speak, M talked over her and interrupted. Nasty, rude behavior. I thought at the time "Bitch".

You may have not been paying attention before the Oprah shots, but the shots were there.

R149, MM was obviously pregnant. Geez do we have to resort to Q-Anon looniness for these two? There’s plenty of real drama as is.

[quote] MM was obviously pregnant.

Receipts, R152? Proof of the doctor that delivered?

Come up with evidence against the fact that it is physically impossible to pop up in down in the last months of pregnancy with LEGS CLOSED in high heels and UNAIDED.

Shut it with the Qanon crap. Most of the “rumours” regarding Markle and her behaviour have been proven correct: regardless of how outlandish they may have seemed at the beginning.

Staff call her a “narcissistic sociopath”. Nothing is beyond the pale, and you have NO proof to refute well known pregnancy biomechanics....especially if you are a male and not in the medical field.

I always wondered why she was constantly holding the baby bump with one hand. I've never seen pregnant women do that. Do they need to do that, so that the baby doesn't fall out?

[quote] I always wondered why she was constantly holding the baby bump with one hand. I've never seen pregnant women do that. Do they need to do that, so that the baby doesn't fall out?

Not in genuine pregnancy situations. With Markle, though, all bets are off.

What a horrible profile. Harry is not attractive in looks, character or personality. It shows in his scowl.

What a horrible profile. Harry is not attractive in looks, character or personality. It shows in his scowl.

I don't believe the surrogacy stories because of the way her body has changed.

I do believe the annulment story and that the guy's wealthy mother paid her to go away.

I don't know what the deal with Doria is, might or might not be true. Doria is however involved in the home health care company scam they've got going on so that makes her complicit in her daughter's machinations. It appears to be just a front and not much else. Food for thought: the rumors about Doria stem from the mis-management of taxes for a travel agency she owned. Here she is again running a questionable business. Coincidence?

There may or may not have been some "light" yachting. There has got to be a reason she was on Virginia G.'s list of people to be deposed if Andrew didn't settle.

She knows the BRF wouldn't release damning info about a wife and MOTHER. They should have released the info, whatever it is, when she was just a nuisance girlfriend.

there is enough wrong with her without going all Qanon pregnancy conspiracy theory

Boy does Mrs. Markle look like a young version of Meghan's father in the R156 photo. They all have unfortunate noses! I fear for the children.

I think if Doria had a shady past, Samantha would have spilled the beans by now. But Tom Markle talked about how she slept around, smoked weed all the time, and was an incompetent mother. That's shady enough.

[quote] there is enough wrong with her without going all Qanon pregnancy conspiracy theory

Not a conspiracy. It’s not Qanon either. That’s Trump schtick

Imagine if we all said, “Trump has been terrible enough, let’s not discuss him taking classified info. It’s conspiracy”.

What’s “conspiracy” is refusing to consider things that don’t make sense by saying “there’s enough” already on deck to consider.

You sound conspiratorial.

Are you are PR shill for Markle, R459? You sure sound like one.

R162, I think that's going too far. Trump is an extraordinary danger to democracy. Meghan is simply not on that level.

Samantha just emphatically confirmed within the past week or so that Meghan is indeed for 41 and not older as some have claimed.

Sam, Pa Markle and Tom Jr. are unrestrained and certainly not camera shy but IF there is more to the story about Doria they likely are saving that info for the highest bidder. They aren't going to give that away for free.

[quote] [R162], I think that's going too far. Trump is an extraordinary danger to democracy. Meghan is simply not on that level

So?

Your mind is like a closed umbrella, R163. Refusing to explain or believe anything that is outside your worldview.

There are things you cannot explain regarding Markle. And to question or label others who see things that are clearly off about the woman speaks more of you than those you abuse with your name calling.

Well, they should have sold whatever info they had while people still cared

I lean towards her having Archie because she gained a lot of weight and her torso has remained wider even now that she has lost the weight. That being stated, she absolutely repeatedly wore prosthetic bumps throughout the 'pregnancy'. It is no wonder people question that pregnancy not only for yoyo bumps but all the other oddities, including the changing due dates, the refusal to use the Queen's doctors, the oddness around the birth, etc. It is also odd that they never complain about all the surrogacy speculation, as if they do not want to call any attention to the matter when they are more than happy to whine about everything else.

My tin-foil hat theory is that the kids were not produced by Harry. Flame away, but I think that is where all the weirdness about the kids originates.

Clearly someone here isn’t aware that heavily pregnant women do all sorts of yoga. It’s fun reading the bullshit from the uniformed.

Yes, there was some light yachting:

[quote] —Yes, pregnant women can squat in heels

Not with their legs closed and together they cannot.

And miss us with the faux yoga that Markle claims she does. That woman is not limber or graceful. She walks and carries herself like a charging buffalo.

[quote] It’s fun reading the bullshit from the uniformed

Yep. Described yourself perfectly there, R168.

She 100% used a fake bump to help her achieve that cute little bump almost no women have but is frequently seen in movies and tv. That’s all we can really know. But she is nuts so I wouldn’t put it past her to fake a pregnancy.

[quote]Not with their legs closed and together they cannot.

Honey, just because you’re a lump of dough doesn’t mean everyone is. And, yes, they can.

But Father and Camilla may soon be in need of Loving Kindness Senior Care Management. And we may be able to get them a 5% discount!

This site is nuts today.

I find this article hilarious.

[quote] Honey, just because you’re a lump of dough doesn’t mean everyone is. And, yes, they can.

Uniformed again, eh R173.

My 5’2”, 110 pound frame carried 3. But more importantly, colleagues and I gathered one night for look at Markle’s photos and videos for a drinking session. Four of the ladies were OB/GYNs and the remaining three of us were surgeons. All were mothers.

Our conclusion was unanimous: Markle defied known pregnancy dynamics. Subtle, but impossible clues that she gave herself away.

No one, and I mean NO ONE goes to a squatting position with their legs closed and gets up unaided in heels in later pregnancy. The uterus would rupture.

Provide receipts to the contrary, R173.

Oh, so you’re a frau AND a lump of dough.

^ And you are an ignorant buffoon that knows NOTHING about the nuances of pregnancy.

[quote]NOTHING about the nuances of pregnancy.

It’s obvious you don’t.

I know cone thing, R179, you're a tedious cunt.

Just when you thought it was safe to open your Spotify app.

One thing I didn't know was that surgeons had group drinking sessions.

[quote]Well, they should have sold whatever info they had while people still cared

Pa Markle is probably still holding out hope for reconciliation despite his heart attack and stroke that have been callously ignored by the pontificator of "kindness".

If Sam and Tom Jr. have any info they've held back, they will be singing the moment Pa kicks the bucket and someone writes them a big fat check. They don't care about a warm and fuzzy reunion, they didn't pour everything they had into her.

This perfectly sums up the the extent of the doughy fraus delusion.

R142 I stopped watching the Behavior Panel (4 guys). The Prince Andrew one was very funny, but then the interview was fun. The H &M engagement and Oprah ones were interesting. But they really screwed up on the Gabby Pettit case (the blonde Van Life woman who disappeared in Colorado). They analyzed the video of the police welfare check. A caller had claimed that he saw Gabby hitting her boyfriend and that’s what body language guys based their analysis on…at one point, she was apologizing to the police for getting upset that the van was messy. Turns out the caller actually reported the opposite, the boyfriend was hitting her and she was blaming herself for boyfriend’s anger, classic abused woman behavior. The BP guys missed that completely.

Why would DL care about the nuances of pregnancy? Shove your opinions up your nasty vag.

[quote]Why would DL care about the nuances of pregnancy? Shove your opinions up your nasty vag.

Because fraus think they can foist their delusions on everyone with authority.

[quote] colleagues and I gathered one night for look at Markle’s photos and videos for a drinking session

Laughably pathetic, especially because you clearly made this scenario up!

Who cares if people like or dislike H&M? They didn't want to be working royals, they're not, and public opinion doesn't sway that in any way.

Either a whole bunch of gay men became very un-witty or a PR shill is being ultra nasty in a vain effort to divert attention away from the walking and talking calamity that calls itself Meghan.

Yes its their pr, markle must be in charge because the iq of the posters is very small.

They popularity is at basement levels and, yet, they continue with the same PR tactics. It almost makes you wonder if they're masochistic. You would think after the release of the Bower and Low books they would be re-thinking their strategy. They still have a few things to play out (the podcasts, the book), but it will be very interesting when they have nothing left in the hopper.

*Their popularity

[quote]Either a whole bunch of gay men became very un-witty or a PR shill is being ultra nasty in a vain effort to divert attention away from the walking and talking calamity that calls itself Meghan.

Or…we know bullshit when we read it and this⬇️ Is the biggest bunch of bullshit.

[quote] No one, and I mean NO ONE goes to a squatting position with their legs closed and gets up unaided in heels in later pregnancy. The uterus would rupture.

It’s actually funny that your egos are so fragile that you’d accept someone spewing utter crap as long as it adheres to your world view. And, instead of thinking logically your minds automatically go to…it must be PR people.

Someone needs to explain the nuances of pregnancy to Kate cause when she visited at Downton Abbey set she spent more time hovering above her stilettos than she did talking to adults…and her uterus didn’t explode!

As I said…just because you’re a old lump of doughy shit it doesn’t mean everyone is.

Love, The Tedious cunt who understands “the nuances and biomechanics of pregnancy”

Today Lady C. is saying that she knows (and the BRF knows) things about the Meg that "would make your hair stand on end".

She also said Meg "makes Rosemary's baby look like John the Baptist".

Please. Private medical AND legal information can be pried out by experts.

There is no way Meghan could have faked a pregnancy in front of several women (the Queen, Anne, Sophie, and Kate) who had borne, amongst them, ten children.

No one has a final word on what any one woman can do in any given pregnancy. Meghan seems to be quite flexible and has done yoga for a long while.

I simply despise her, but the idea that she would take such a risk to her child's place in the succession is ludicrous. Why wouldn't she have wanted to do it, anyway? It's a rite of passage for many women, she seemed perfectly healthy, still under forty. Why on earth NOT?

Because we have some QAnon level delusions on this thread, r198.

[quote]she knows (and the BRF knows) things about the Meg that "would make your hair stand on end".

So does relaxer.

Every gay man is obsessed with a pregnant woman's bits. Do one r195 and r196

Lady C can be amusing, but she's very right wing which is a major turnoff for me. Who needs Lady C, the body language guy, River et al, when you have Valentine Low, Tom Bowers and Tina Brown reporting on the Sussexes, Meghan in particular. I first stopped liking her around the time of her wedding when I decided she was a publicity hound. this was confirmed by her constant press releases. The nasty behavior was rumored but Bowers and Low confirmed it. She's a bitch, a nasty, fame hungry bitch. Who needs fake pregnancy, on-existent children etc, when you Bowers confirming she's ruthless and a liar, and Low details how she threatened and bullied employees, not to mention Harry, who's an asshole.

I believe MM carried her children. But I also believe she padded her stomach, during her first pregnancy, I assume for attention. I couldn’t believe this at first, but the fact her baby bump moved significantly, early in her pregnancy, is all the proof I need. This suggests to me some level of mental illness.

[quote]Do one [R195] and [R196]

Oh, dear.

r204, I don't get why you're "oh dearing" . Do one is a popular coloquialism, so do one.

Oh, dear again.

it means fuck off for the idiot in the house at r206

Oh, dear…thrice.

Go cry because your uniform was not what you wanted, soft sod.

Too, funny, r209… but please, go on believing this “tosh”. This is what you’re defending, moron.

[quote]Uniformed again, eh [R173].

[quote]My 5’2”, 110 pound frame carried 3. But more importantly, colleagues and I gathered one night for look at Markle’s photos and videos for a drinking session. Four of the ladies were OB/GYNs and the remaining three of us were surgeons. All were mothers.

[quote]Our conclusion was unanimous: Markle defied known pregnancy dynamics. Subtle, but impossible clues that she gave herself away.

[quote]No one, and I mean NO ONE goes to a squatting position with their legs closed and gets up unaided in heels in later pregnancy. The uterus would rupture.

[quote]Provide receipts to the contrary, [R173].

R161, in Doria's defense, there is a considerable age difference between her and Thomas Markle. In her twenties, she was stuck with a baby and his two teens from a previous marriage who hated each other in a boring Valley town while he was at work for an exorbitant amount of time. His first marriage failed because he was never home, spending his time working exorbitant hours and fucking around with other women.

(I know way too fucking much about this whole shit show, but it is a fascinating soap opera / slow train wreck.)

I'll give Doria this, she never had another kid after abandoned Meghan.

These crazy conspiracy theories are absolutely unnecessary. There is plenty here to dive into that has been proven or is from their own words or those of the people closest to them. Yes she was pregnant (her face got fatter! her body changed!), yes she carried both babies and they are both their own genetically ( I did hear from a good source that they did a FET/IVF and genetic testing to ensure there were no issues and also to gender select which is legal in the US- which is not an insane thing to do when you are pushing 40) - THAT i believe. But let's leave the rest of it and focus on the 'narcissistic sociopath' label, making people cry etc. Did you see the reddit today(saint meghan markle) today about some person who allegedly worked for a family that knows her? the nanny perspective? No idea if true but it was dishy. I can' t cut and paste it as it's all screen shots from IG.

R213, do you have a Reddit link?

Yes, I saw that. Had worked for a family who were social acquaintances of M&H. Some of the stuff was not surprising, like organic food, but the saddest thing was no messy art supplies in the house. All those rooms and not one where they could fingerpaint. M&H were not very hands on. Lots of rules for the nannies but otherwise disengaged.

R214 I went back to find it for you but it's gone! It's been removed - it had her real IG name on it - maybe that's why

Doughy frau here, formerly not so doughy and actually quite fit. Could squat up until the week I gave birth during my first pregnancy. All of these calls for receipts from the "pregnant women cannot squat all my surgeon and OB/GYN friends say so! it makes the uterus explode!" brigade are ridiculous - where are YOUR receipts?! Surely if this squatting info is true (and I'm some kind of medical miracle) there will be a reference in a medical text or warnings in pregnancy books not to squat etc.? Where are they?

She had the 2 kids, you dummies. And as so many people are saying it doesn't even matter. So what if she used a surrogate etc.? How would that make her a bad person in the way bullying employees and being a general sour, controlling bitch does?

A surrogate is fine but it’s the fact that she would have lied about it and did a whole charade about being pregnant. I lean on the side of her carrying the kids especially because her body did change, but it is not crazy to think she might’ve faked it. Some of the posts pushing us away from that are suspicious.

Whoever made the surrogacy claims hasn't posted in quite some time. I believe Meghan carried her babies, too, but I think you've made your point. You're spamming the thread at this point. Move on.

SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP ABOUT GYNECOLOGY!!! REMEMBER WHERE YOU ARE AND HAVE SOME FUCKING DECENCY!!!!!!!!!!

More tales of abuse instead, it's so much more palatable.

It is completely crazy and I wouldn't piss on her if she was on fire. It is silly, tin-hatted, beneath even DL nonsense.

Well, then, actually bring up another topic and start talking about it.

I saw that IG post on reddit before it was zapped. Said Harry is not engaged with the kids at all and neither of them spend any time alone with kids without the nannies present in the room with them at all times.

[quote]Some of the posts pushing us away from that are suspicious.

Nobody is pushing you away from anything. What’s happening is calling out obvious bullshit. Seriously…you think uteri explode if women squat?

I can believe that, R223, Meg is too self-absorbed and busy hustling to take a real interest in the kids, and Harry is too fucked up.

Once he realized that fatherhood was not providing a quick-fix for his psychological issues, AND he realized that the kids don't give a rat's ass about his "mental health" (because they're too young to know it exists), he might well disengage until the kids are old enough to whine to.

There are a few of us posting. It’s not one person spamming. The reality is none of us have evidence either way so the posts responding with that’s crazy etc. aren’t any better. I did see the nanny post and it didn’t strike me as that demanding or crazy. Pretty standard rich people guidelines. Wouldn’t you eat all organic if you were rich and others did your shopping? What’s sad is if they don’t pay attention or really care for their kids.

Meghan Markle: Total train wreck

Harry Windsor: Total train wreck

Their children: Collateral damage

Meghan has no waist, a short torso and she is like 5'2. She looked 5 months pregnant before she was even 3 months and had a bloated face and start of double chin. Then she was MIA for the last trimester both times because she was big as a house and probably was huffing and puffing with every step. She def carried both kids although they were IVF and sex selected.

to me, the most interesting part of the missing nanny thread on reddit was the part about how MM and H interact with EACH OTHER. The fact that she favors Archie but ignores lilibet (babies are boring!) or that they don't go anywhere without a nanny didn't shock me at all. But is also said that they have wild and open contempt for each other and that it's so tense that at many times it's uncomfortable to be around them. I think I believe that.

I have to say, at least Wallis and Edward didn't spawn.

R223, now that you mention it. I don't see any real warmth, love, or compassion coming from them at all towards anyone. Even their constant handholding and her constant touching of his back is fucking creepy and reeks of control and a leash. Harry was once very loved and when he spoke to people he seemed very animated and connected. That is all gone now. Even the whole Invictus spiel seems forced and contrived, like they are both completely oblivious to what the members gave and represent.

[quote]The reality is none of us have evidence either way so the posts responding with that’s crazy etc. aren’t any better.

If you're talking surrogacy, I seriously and sincerely disagree. I mean, come on. Occam's razor. Common sense tells you she had two children by pregnancy. How on earth could someone like her keep something like that secret? Proof - and it would exist - could come from any number of places all throughout the scam. It would be high value. She would have been sold out by now. What would the Daily Mail pay for that? If nothing else, how did they pull off the claim she had the first child at Portland Hospital and the second in Montecito? It requires too many people and too much luck to begin to imagine that was part of this plan and that the wall has held at this point in her arc of notoriety. If it doesn't defy logic, it defies likelihood. This woman, who I deplore, gets all kind of fantastical shit made up about her, when she's horrible enough in her own right. Fantasists cling to the yachting and the surrogate bullshit.

I’m surprised no one screen shot the IG. I’m curious to know what was said.

JFC, R232, let it go. Now you're sounding mental.

Check the trail, I've barely had a horse in this race compared to many of you but by nine at night my tolerance for stupid is zero. Stay in the real world. Some of you should be embarrassed. I'm amazed you can spell. JFC that.

She is a succubus. Whatever positive life force Harry once had is gone now.

R231, Tyler Perry spoke the other day about Harry and Meghan's 'obvious love'. Barkjack also recently discussed crisis discussions were occurring at Netflix because internal research showed their 'love story' storyline wasn't scoring well. All that to say, I think everything with Harry and Meghan is strictly business. The handholding, etc., all part of selling their 'story'.

R228 I read somewhere that the Harkles were disappointed that their first child was a boy. I believe they used sex selection with their second child. No way did they want two boys.

R235, we're both on the DL talking about Meghan Markle. There's plenty embarrassment to share for all of us. Why not take a break and go visit a fisting thread if something as silly as this thread is making you this enraged.

Dangit it I missed the post on Reddit. I have posted before that Harry would be disappointed in his kids because they can't fix him.

R239, how about you just mind your own fucking business, fool?

Did LSA get a screen grab of the Reddit thing?

R242, the internet never forgets.

Yay r243, thank you!

I've started reading Lady C's book about Harry and Meghan published in 2020. She is actually very forgiving of Meghan at the outset, suspecting cultural differences and lack of knowledge as the source of many of the problems. She does not give Harry the same latitude, He should have known much better, helped his wife, and should have not been a complete bull in the tea shop because he could.

I think when Harry finally wakes up or is finally able to accept the enormity of his failure, he'll realize that everyone in his family was always deeply on his side trying to protect him.

She'd have to betray him in some way first. The rose coloured glasses are thick, from all appearances.

R214 found it! Still on an IG post. - look up marklenews1 read it before it’s removed! Don’t know how to post links sorry

Oh r243 you beat me. You superstar

The fake pregnancy rumors are nonsense. Why fixate on this silliness when there is plenty of evidence of her outrageous entitlement and general awfulness. The fact that she abused her staff (and apparently continues to do so) is enough on its own to convince me what a horrible person she is.

I’m sure many members are equally awful in their own special ways. But Meghan’s horribleness is especially irksome because she’s so goddamned self-serious and self-righteous and humorless. Give me Charles throwing a tantrum over a malfunctioning phone any day of the week. At least he laughed when someone in the crowd gave him a ballpoint pen as a joke.

^malfunctioning pen…

Bless you R433 and bless DL for always unearthing the tastiest gossip.

Whatever you've got coming, R433, I can't wait!

Sorry! Meant thanks R233! This nanny report rings true. First, that their “friends” would ask their nanny’s opinion on the situation. Because, of course, they have a nest of vipers as friends who want validation that H/M are worse parents than they are.

And of course these nitwits are disengaged parents. Neither of them had normal upbringings. Meghan’s mother split, her father was present but, obviously something very off there to make them turn on each other in such a vicious fashion. And Harry was raised by third parties, even while Diana was alive.

Those poor kids don’t stand a chance.

Why didn't Diana and now the Dumbartons like Balmoral?

Looks beautiful.

Invite me, I'll happily go and enjoy the peace, quiet and tranquility.

Diana found being at Balmoral stressful, not relaxing. She didn't like the "close quarters" according to Andrew Morton's book.

Harry probably didn't like going to Balmoral because it reminded him of chilhood visits there. Now, he probably dislikes the idea even more so, due to recent events.

Reading through that Reddit thread at R243 makes you realize what a control freak Meghan is even at home, even with her kids. They are probably going to grow up damaged by their parents.

[quote] I saw that IG post on reddit before it was zapped. Said Harry is not engaged with the kids at all and neither of them spend any time alone with kids without the nannies present in the room with them at all times.

Yes! I saw this too. A nanny has to be present at all times, Harry does not engage with the children at all and Meghan is not interested in Lilibet but focuses all her attention on. Archie. When she and Harry spend time with Archie they teach about things like manners and life lessons, but never actually play with him. They say Meghan and Harry completely ignore Lilibet.

I am not fixated I just disagree that it’s crazy to mention it. Occam’s razor doesn’t apply to M (or people with her level of illness). She does crazy things constantly. Naming the child Lilibet? Major boundary violation. Bullying a 3 year old? Nuts. Ditching the father who raised her publicly? Asshole. The Oprah interview with a bunch of verifiable lies? Batshit crazy. Easy enough to NDA the surrogate and the doctors could not speak on it. Again, none of us can know at this point I am just not sufficiently convinced it’s outside the realm of possibility.

I don't even care (about surrogacy). They're so far down the succession and I'm not sure Harry would get it even if he somehow (very sadly) qualified - he's burned the bridges pretty outrageously.

Anyway, Meghan's ob/gyn - why in hell did she just quit being a doctor? Weird stuff. But it's getting quite common - and if they did IVF to control gender, then why not pay someone a pittance (for them) to do the drugery of pregnancy and birth? Probably a lot easier with Lilibet than Archie though.

So agree with you R258 - her level of illness is off the freaking charts. I don't think narcissistic sociopath is the least bit extreme, when I think of what all she's done. My god. And Harry going along with it is... bonkers to the moon! Should definitely be disqualifying from coming anywhere near the throne - maybe even a working royal. He's not as bad (imo) but he's the biggest idiot in the family -- for years if not ever.

[quote] I worked as a nanny for a family that personally knows MM, and had been with them for a few years, when they asked me if the things they had seen H&M doing seemed off to me, so here's the tea! Their nannies sign NDA's so bear in mind this is being relayed by MM friends. When MM does spend time with the kids, she's never alone, or it's never just her and Harry, they always have a nanny on standby. MM also favors Archie, and typically doesn't spend any time with Lilibet because "babies are boring". Harry avoids the kids as much as possible, as he finds it uncomfortable to interact with them, and when he and MM do spend time with the kids, it's typically not doing normal "kid" things, it's teaching Archie drivel like how important it is to be on his best behavior etc. Things a three year old really can't understand. They typically just let the nannies raise them and it took them a very long time to find a nanny who would put up with their demands (long hours, weird parenting rules like following the kids around when they were just learning to walk to ensure they didn't fall down, strict diets). If you all remember, they lost 6 nannies within Archie's first year.

I had a feeling Harry was like the Facebook dad I know. He posts about how wonderful his daughter is and if you didn't know better you would think he was father of the year. But in reality he barely sees the child and doesn't help pay for her (they are divorced).

I think the surrogacy rumour is very unlikely to be true, but I would be willing to bet the yachting rumours are valid. Before she got Suits, MM was struggling. She couldn't afford to fix her car door. Looking at her suitcase girl pics and the hamburger grilling pics, she really looks like a woman who is sexually available.

Maybe she thought she could modernize yachting?

She likely went on board wanting to make her own rules. The rich old guys liked things the way they were and found her annoying and not a great body. They probably dumped her at the next port and left her to find her own way back home.

Pre-Suits, Meghan had Trevor as her built-in financier, even though he wasn't high status. He paid her daily living expenses, like the roof over her head and food. How much of herself she has financed will never be known. However, it's safe to say that if one tracks her professional resume on IMDb, the dates butterfly quite nicely with the financiial support she received from her many discarded men and eventual one.

r263, your post cracked me up, thanks for the laugh this morning. I think she can be attractive (with the right hair/makeup/clothes)...but her personality ruins it.

I can't imagine having to socialize with H & M, they must be so boring yet overly confident.

WHET Meg's new bestie Gloria Steinem?

Wouldn't a fellow yacht girl have told her story to the Daily Mail by now? Or is it such a good game that everybody knows about it but nobody talks about it or can prove it?

It's all about control with this one. Sure Pops paid for her private school and university but he never let her forget it. She had to be Daddy's Little Girl to get what she wanted. Then there was Trevor, a big galoot, brash, loud talker who couldn't believe he landed the hot chick.

When she finally clawed her way to Suits in Toronto and started to make some decent money, it was a relief. She could buy herself pretty things and not have to ask permission. But then Suits was coming to an end because her character's partner wanted to leave which meant she was out too. She must've cursed that hapless actor in private. Once again, at the mercy of some guy.

Then...Harry. The perfect patsy. Dim, vaguely disgruntled, but coming from unimaginable wealth and fame. Easily manageable. She marched him to the altar in record time. Too fast to discover that the BRF was the ultimate control freak. She was right back where she started, having to beg and cajole Charles for designer gowns while Camilla gave her the side eye. Not being able to flex all her big ideas for Making the World A Better Place. Nobody patting her on the head to say how clever you are. She was well and truly stuck until she remembered Diana's inheritance....

The Nanny Story makes the Unborn Doll fetish obsolete, so that's good.

[quote]Wouldn't a fellow yacht girl have told her story to the Daily Mail by now? Or is it such a good game that everybody knows about it but nobody talks about it or can prove it?

Maybe it's like Fight Club? The First Rule of Fight Club is don't talk about Fight Club and the First Rule of Yachting is don't talk about Yachting. See also: First Rule of Datalounge.

This thread isn’t closed? Huh. I guess Madame hasn’t ordered it to be, yet. They’re three hours behind, on CA time.

Harry and Meghan are slimy garbage people, and they wouldn’t piss on their low-IQ fans if they were on fire.

Not every girl on a yacht is paid cash in a straightforward transaction. Duh. Sometimes a decorative and convivial young lady will spend the evening with a gentleman and the next day shopping for a new handbag in Cannes the next morning. Or after a week of satisfactory entertainment there might be a wire transfer released.

I think Meghan thought she was above all that, and was a guest, not a party favor. But in the end, the lines of distinctions blur. She wasn’t someone’s *wife*.

Bower wrote that MM was the first to arrive and the last to leave at Brett Ratner's notorious Hollywood parties. Surely some deals were made...

I just love drip, drip, drip stye revenge..

Can we get back to the Tell All Books, from Bower to Low? Last word: I would bet Meghan absolutely gave birth because it was a point of pride that she had to show she could do what the fecund Kate who had her kids in her early 30s could do. Why on earth wouldn't she?! And no one can way what any one body can do on two legs or one legs whilst pregnant - one thing Meghan has always seemed to be is extremely flexible. I totally believe she wanted to do the pregnancy and birth thing as a point of womanly pride. Doctors aren't required by law to publish a confirmation, and if Archie had been the heir to the throne but one, it would have been different. No one, actually, gives a fuck whether a doctor signed on or not on a plaque in front of BP.

Now, re the two books that came out, one in the summer, and is about to emerge next week but from which utterly damning excerpts have been run by The TIMES . . .

These two books the Bower and Low books, I think were far more important than either their tone or authors are standing alone.

The stuff is just not rebuttable unless Meghan wants to sue again, and it appears that she doesn't, which tells you something.

The books, especially Low's, have made part of the public record the stuff that BP itself couldn't come out and say, especially the bullying behaviour. The Palace did the smart thing: kept its hands clean but turned a blind eye to the staff Meghan abused talking to Low. When the bullying story first broke and murmured threats of lawsuits were heard, Low and the TIMES said that if the Sussexes wanted to sue, "We are preapared." No lawsuit.

Those books, and especially Low's, as he is an experienced establishment journalist for the country's most traditional broadsheet, have made it impossible to accuse Charles of racism for not giving the Sussex kiddies HRHs even if he does bend a bit and give them Prince and Princess titles.

The two books, together with the surreal interview in The CUT written by a black female journalist, have made it impossible for Meghan ever to wash off that much bad juju. And made the case for dismissing all those fatuous stories about Charles bringing them back as working royals.

Low has done a huge favour to oppressed workers whose bosses stood behind the office predator to avoid a messy fight.

BP comes out not too well in Low's book. But he's still done them a favour and made it possible for Charles to make himself very clear: it's over. You two are DONE.

She needs to do something stupid soon and give us something to actually talk about, because too many of you people are not best left to your own imaginations.

Did she get to revise her podcasts or is Spot A Lie releasing them uncensored?

Meghan was not a yacht girl, but, reading through the lines of everything that is coming out, prostituted herself to Ratner, Lauer, the golfer, and probably many more men in an attempt to get up the ladder. I can't slight her for that alone as it is not that uncommon a practice in her field. It's the fake humanitarian persona she has crafted that grates, particularly after her psychopathic treatment of the royal family and staff.

LOL @ Spot A Lie.

I don’t really believe she was a yacht girl either (although I still find it hard to believe she was a suitcase girl with that body). She thinks too highly of herself to do that kind of transaction I think.

It can be problematic marrying into an old money family when the fiancée is closer in class to the staff than to the family. Not knowing how to treat staff is unfortunate but forgivable, but seeking to exhibit your position through imperiousness and abuse is not…

Staff see and hear everything. She's an absolute idiot for alienating them like she did.

Nope, treating staff like crap is unforgivable. She's a bully in a working situation. Look at the nanny hamster wheel -- they come and go quickly.

Countless DL threads about dealbreakers for dating. Treating waitstaff badly is always a popular dealbreaker. Obviously not a dealbreaker for ginger brat. He would have had opportunity to observe her behavior long before the abrasive behavior at the Jamaican wedding she reportedly crashed. They obviously went on dates before that and interacted with waitstaff, etc. Two peas in a pod they are.

Two peas in a podcast.

From another thread: Daisy of Denmark is slimming down... (linking to the cesspit in the next post): Queen Margrethe of Denmark has stripped four of her grandchildren of their royal titles, the Danish royal household has announced.

The monarch, 82, has removed prince and princess as well as 'His/Her Highness' titles from Nikolai, 23, Felix, 20, Henrik, 13, and Athena, ten.

A statement on Wednesday said Queen Margrethe hopes the move will allow the siblings to 'shape their own lives without being limited by the special considerations and duties’ that a formal affiliation with the Danish Royal Family involves.

The children of Prince Joachim, her second son, will be known instead by His Excellency Count of Monpezat or Her Excellency Countess of Monpezat starting on January 1, 2023.

The siblings, who are currently seventh through tenth in the line to the throne, will maintain their places in the order of succession.

This just in from the Danish Royal Family:

Queen Margrethe announced today that her four grandchildren from her YOUNGER son (in other words, Harry's Danish counterpart) will be stripped of their HHs as of 1 January. They didn't even get HRHs, just HHs, but even those are being stripped so that, as QM said, they are free to shape their lives themselves and not be burdened by affiliation with the Royal House of Denmark.

They remain in the line of succession (well, duh).

This is the second royal house in Europe to do this. This IS the future of European monarchy, and I'll wager a great deal that Charles is looking at this news and smiling.

Because it's clearly the way forward, and he can more or less cite it as a model and cite it, even if obliquely as an approach to modern monarchy that other European royal houses are adopting.

Man, the Sussexes cocked it up so badly it is staggering. If they'd stayed in and been nice and accepted their spots and engaged with Britain's people and forged friendly relationships with the other royals . . . Charles might have been inclined to hold off for one more generation.

He who will not when he may, as they say.

I bet Meghan was furious after that incident in the clip at R122. Mrs. Markle probably got an earful when they got back to their cottage. One way or another, she is going to make Cate pay for it by any immoral, vindictive means necessary.

Going well...

Harry and Meghan have the judgment of teenagers.

^^^^^^^eight yr olds

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Fergie.

Harry and Meghan are basically teenagers. This is typical of borderlines and I suspect both of them are. Severe cases of adolescent defiant disorder too.

"This is the second royal house in Europe to do this. This IS the future of European monarchy, and I'll wager a great deal that Charles is looking at this news and smiling."

I think Charles is right to slim down the monarchy. I think the monarchy will have more popular appeal if it's a small, well-defined group where the public feels they know the working royals well. If the nation felt like Queen Elizabeth II was the National Gran or something, best to continue and encourage the nation to feel that Anne is their national Grumpy Ant and little George is the National Cute Nephew. And as the economic news seems to be all bad, he's also picked a good time to bump the useless family members off the working royal staff, and presumably, out of the public trough.

Charles already announced there wouldn't be one of those ridiculous investitures for William as Prince of Wales. Too costly.

Is Trevor really writing a book?

Trevor has done well for himself with his 2nd marriage, I can't imagine he would want to give any attention to his past with Meghan.

I bet Trevor parents are thrilled malicious Meg is now the King of England's problem and no longer theirs.

Too bad Trevor doesn't have some loose lipped friends to spill the dirt.

Charles didn't actually announce anything r295, but it's unlikely there will be an investiture such as the one Charles had because that was weird even for its own day. Cost isn't even the issue so much because an investiture ceremony doesn’t have to be expensive and will put money back into the local economy. It would be nice to have some kind of ceremony though, to create bonds between the new Waleses and the Welsh people.

So what am I, the National Spare?

There's a petition with 35,000 signatures from the Welsh not wanting a Prince of Wales.

[QUOTE]Too bad Trevor doesn't have some loose lipped friends to spill the dirt.

It makes you wonder why neither he or his friends contributed to Bower's efforts. Does Trevor have a tome of his own planned? A very delicious concept.

MM humiliated Trevor, just as she did Corey Vitiello. Her childhood best friend dumped her over her treatment of Trevor. It's likely he was devastated by her divorcing him. I would think MM is a part of his past he'd sooner forget, especially now that there is so much hatred and contempt expressed for her.

But in marrying an heiress, it seems he's landed buttered side up.

WEDNESDAY. SEPTEMBER 28. 2022 Blind Item #12 The battles raging between the alliterate one and her husband over the direction of some podcast episodes and his book, are epic. There are other people involved which is giving brand new insights into the relationship or the destruction of it.

Trevor and Corey had built up their respective careers and lives. It had to be humiliating or even just irritating to have their privacy invaded and to become known only for their association with Meghan. It doesn't help matters that she turned out to be so mental.

It seemed like one of Trevor's friends (not named) contributed to the Bower book.

R305 Well, it's Enty, I don't know, that looks like just another decent guess to me. Anyone on DL could have made that up.

What I'm curious to know is this: if Charles follows the lead of the Swedish and Danish monarchs, and refuses title of any sort for the Sussex kids, and Meghan knows her kids are never going to be royal, will that be enough to persuade her she backed the wrong horse and go for the big divorce settlement (HRH is the formal definition of royal: no HRH, no royal - aristo, yes; royal adjacent, yes; royal "blood", yes. But royal themselves: no)?

The Palace's best strategy is to divide and conquer. And they know how to play the long game.

Agreed, R309. It's laughable that this little tart thinks/thought she could win against the monarchy.

Being reknowned for staying late at Ratner's parties is waaayy worse than being confirmed as a yacht girl. What the hell did she get out of the parties? And which partner was she with at the time? If she was single, how did she survive? Didn't she only last one season as a suitcase girl?

I suspect MM gave birth to Archie because there are some photos taken when the kid was a baby meeting Desmond Tutu and MM's neck looks like a man's neck in certain shots, it is so wide and thick.

I can't believe she'd go to the trouble of looking that heinous without giving birth. Other famous women suspected of using a surrogate (Nicole Kidman when she claimed she gave birth to her first kid herself) don't bother with the weight gain. That's the surrogate's problem. And Meghan looked awful at the Lion King hustling event too, busting out of a dress too small. She doesn't carry extra weight well at all. She seems to think she looks great when she doesn't. The red Carolina Herrera dress REALLY didn't work for her. I totally cringed with second hand embarrassment.

BTW, the only person who cradled their bumps more than MM would be Tori Spelling, who had to back up her public statements that she could provide the Deano with more children, unlike his older wife. Tori was skinny after the fourth kid but not the fifth. Given how vain she is, that seems a suitable result for someone bending over backwards to prove her fertility.

R303 It appears that, for the most part, Trevor's friends found it easier to ghost Dumbass and move on rather than to make bank on it. I think the person interviewed for Bower's book is the same woman that booted Dumbass to the curb because of her treatment of Trevor. I think Trevor has a good life now, and will content himself with silently watching and laughing while his ex wife continually shoots herself in the foot.

R312 That would be the childhood friend with the Indian name? The one who talked about how Meghan changed after she got the Suits job? Priddy?

R302, there are 3.1 million people living in Wales. 35K is not very significant. I'm surprised it is that low. I think many Welsh like and respect Big Willy and Cate.

I create the titles of Pawn Archie Mountbatten-Windsor and Pawn Lilibet Mountbatten-Windsor, as it is understood those are the most appropriate titles in consideration of the Duchess' intentions for them.

[QUOTE]will that be enough to persuade her she backed the wrong horse and go for the big divorce settlement

Will there be a big divorce settlement? Harry's trust fund, which is probably dwindling under the weight of their expensive lifestyle, isn't subject to community property laws since he brought it with him into the marriage. It's unclear how much money they're making from the book deal money and Spot-a-lie and Netflix income once production costs are factored it. But as far as the state of California is concerned, this income is subject to division.

If Meghan is looking for a payout from the RF, isn't there precedent in Europe that the larger family income (i.e. Duchess of Lancaster money) can't be touched by a former spouse. I think it came about from a divorce case involving a prince from Lichtenstein. Would a U.S. court do the same?

I wonder if the RF has developed a contingency plan if/when a split occurs to make sure Harry files first in the UK (assuming he'd be treated more favorably there than L.A. Superior Court.)

There's no way that Meghan's legal share of community property would amount to much, R316.

But she might accept a shit-ton of Charles's money to go away. Or promise to go away.

[quote]But she might accept a shit-ton of Charles's money to go away. Or promise to go away.

We call them nuisance payments.

MM could make quite a living by shaking down distraught parents-in-law to go away! She's already set a precedent with Mother Goldberg-Giuliano.

Harry's kids are American. One was born here and the other came here as soon as Meghan could get the hell outta Dodge. They obviously have no intention of moving back to the UK. Titles don't exist here so why would they have titles? This is ridiculous. If they want their kids to have titles, they move back to the UK. Simple.

R316, no, I can’t imagine that there’s any precedent under in U.S. law for forcing other family members to kick into a divorce settlement. The whole idea seems bizarre. The two likely have actual community property due to whatever advances they’ve received, but their debts would be community property too. The ownership of the house is bit vague, but it apparently has a substantial mortgage.

R313 Yes, her last name was Priddy. I think she knew a lot more from talking to Trevor than she said the first time she was interviewed , and became one of the unnamed sources for the Bower Book. It's speculation on my part though, but it makes sense. I think Trevor told her a lot that didn't make it in those first interviews.

Hey Meghan - California doesn't consider inheritances to be community property. Only earned income during the marriage and property bought during the marriage count.

Debt accumulated during the marriage is also community property!

Hey Harry - if you're smart, don't commingle the money! Keep your inheritances separate.

I'm guessing there was no Bon Voyage dinner hosted by the BRF for the diabolical duo to see them off when they left in January 2020.

Although there was probably a celebratory dinner for surviving family members after they left. I imagine copious amounts of alcohol and war stories were involved.

Catherine should have returned the knife Rachel gifted her by Fedex.

I can't imagine Netflix has much appetite for a show about the diabolical duo. The best Netflix can do is focus on a positive documentary about Invictus and minimize the Sussex footage. I would absolutely cut them loose. Meghan can find work on a Real Housewives franchise. That's the only type of show where having major personality disorders are advantageous.

Agree about Real Housewives for Meghan. And I think Lady C's going on Survivor again. Wouldn't those two be great stranded on a tropical island, having to eat worms or whatever. River can do Ru Paul.

Not Survivor - I think it's 'I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here'

She probably thinks the Housewives franchises are beneath her, for now, though her fame and notoriety and skills set place her squarely in that universe, not philanthropy or any endeavor requiring collaboration with others. And that's her quandary: she has no skills or talents of her own so she needs to rely on experts to create a product, but...

If she wants to start an affordable organic baby food line, design handbags, or come up with a marketable product whatever it may be, she needs to rely on others and has a history of being incapable due to her sense of knowing better than anyone else including experts in their respective fields. Disregarding Samantha Cohen's advice, insisting a vegan dish had egg in it, the eleven rejected arrangements for the choir, the Pearl debacle with Netflix where she tried to micromanage the production, and a ridiculous two year delay delivering a product for Spot-a-lie.

About her podcast. Remember that article written by the anonymous podcast producer? He was floored to learn that it took a staff of 28 to produce a weekly podcast. He'd only heard of such a large staff for a daily politics cast. My hunch is that Meghan churned through most of them, leading to production delays. But they still need to be credited for their work. I wonder how many, if any, lasted from start to finish.

She's rapidly running out of options whether she realizes it or not. I honestly don't think she has it in her to do even QVC. She does have it in her to put up a good fight on Housewives, though. But I doubt she'd place herself in situation where the mask would slip over and over again.

Real Housewives will only be beneath her while she has choices. It'll be the only option soon.

Kathy Hilton probably thought she was above it too

Meghan is quite capable of miscalculating on what she would get in a divorce settlement, just as she miscalculated everything else that would happen once she snagged Harry. Whatever they've earned since the marriage is up for grabs.

I don't think Charles would be much inclined to lend Harry a hand in a divorce, unless Charles saw it as a way finally to get his son away from her and back into the family. But how welcome Harry would be is debatable, and in view of the fact that he has two children with Meghan, he is likely to remain entangled with her to some extent, and therefore entangled with the BRF.

Meghan will go for the divorce when she's tired of having to lead Harry around and do all the hustling and deal with his complaints about how ill done by he is and the whole game becomes tiresome and not worth what she's getting out of it.

I find it difficult to believe at least one if not both of the kids will begin showing signs of emotional difficulty or behaviour problems, and at that point she will be casting around for someone to blame. It's not a sure thing, because look at Beatrice and Eugenie, whose parents are respectively a narcissistic child-man and a bipolar lunatic. Yet, the York girls, especially Bea, seem to have turned out relatively normal sorts.

So, who knows. Harry will never leave Meghan: he really is helpless, and there's the kids, and the humiliation he feel at his family being proved right about her.

But Meghan will absolutely leave Harry when the day comes that she just doesn't want to play the game any longer, and she thinks she can get enough money out of it to set herself up for life.

Shit, if she was willing to threaten to leave him if he didn't publicly acknowledge her as his girlfriend, (the bellend should have realised then how little he meant to her as a man), she won't have any problem leaving him when she's gotten everything she can from him.

Either it will be another Duke and Duchess of Windsor story, where they end up torturing each other till death do them part, or she'll leave.

Wonder who they can get to fund their fuckery???

Lots of oligarchs running around looking to stash or launder money...

But would the oligarchs take that risk? She has loose lips b oth on her face & down below..

She would be viewed as high risk. You know she would never listen to them. Never obey. She'd try to tell them what to do.

As my sister's former brother in law(he was somewhat Mobbed up) said to her.. "You're the type of girl who is either loved or whose head winds up in a trunk of a car."

[quote]her sense of knowing better than anyone else including experts in their respective fields.

What's wrong with that?

I'm sure they've already spent Harry's inheritance from Diana on the house, on the publicists, on Scobie, Jack Royston, Bouzy, etc. And all those lawyers of course. And on polo. On all the people they hire to do their bidding, their Netflix show, their podcast. They want a billionaire's lifestyle but they're only insignificant millionaires.

Neither Harry nor Meghan has any experience managing big money which makes them prime targets for financial advisors, lawyers, etc.

I am not interested in defending Markle at all, but I have noticed that the average person has become absolutely terrible at their job.

Every time I have to interact with a human being to get a task done, it’s impossible. At the bank, the dentist, the vet, the hair salon, the doctor’s office, you get the drift.

I find myself needing to micromanage people, which as a hardcore introvert I do not enjoy at all. But it’s the only way to get anything done. Most of the time I’m very pleasant and polite, unlike Markle. But it is exhausting and frustrating.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go follow up on not one but TWO bank transactions my bank screwed up this week.

yes, r337, I had a similar thought. It'd be fun to bring 'the men in grey suits' back from the past to see their weaknesses and strengths against the current crop

I would imagine incompetent palace courtiers would be doubly annoying, because you know they are also some snooty bitches.

Wasn’t it Lady Susan Hussey (sp?) who declared about H/M: This will end in tears?

No truer words.

I agree with R331 ‘s brilliant post. Meghan, for all her wealth of faults is a hard worker. And Harry is a lazy ass. I’m certain she’s getting exhausted by dragging him like an anchor while being villianized and accused of destroying Harry. She’ll leave him if fortune doesn’t favor them very soon. They don’t have power, money or A List friends. AND William and Kate are being heralded as the saviors of the monarchy. They’ve fucked it up completely and the whole world is blaming Meghan (when Harry is equally to blame).

This WILL end in tears.

R340 Ta! And, I agree, Meghan will do whatever is necessary to reach a goal and worked very hard at it; I just don't think her goals were terribly admirable, but fair play to her, she DOES know what hard work means. Or did. I wonder if she's gotten tired of that, too, as you point out.

And, yes, it was Lady Susan Hussey, who had been assigned to the young Lady Diana Spencer when she came in, and had exactly the same experience with her: Diana believed her "instincts" were all she needed, the public adored her, she didn't need to learn anything.

R331

It's amazing that Meghan got to where she is considering her instincts are almost always terrible.

The difference is that the general public did adore Diana. Meghan, not so much.

Where did she "get to though" Markle is an extension of her famous husband. that's all. No one would notice her otherwise

Samantha Cohen = Lady Susan Hussey, 2.0. Ah, how the patterns repeat themselves. At least I'm sure Diana wasn't a shrew, even to her nannies whom she relieved of their duties if she felt they got too close to the princes. Well, except for Tiggy Legg Bourke. Diana suspected her of having an affair with Charles so she spread the rumor that she aborted his baby.

People seem to think that if Harry and Meghan divorce, he'll fight to the death for his children and beg his father to help him.

He won't. Harry is quite young enough to start another family, and will if he can find a woman who will have him. Sure, Archie gets the title, but it's a meaningless appendage when there is no estate or big wealth and the social connections won't be in place because his mother estranged him from birth from his powerful relatives.

Straight men can create more children so easily, that many men are quite happy to move on to second and even third families. Sure, there are some who fight for their kids, but does Harry strike you as that type? When has he ever worked hard to keep anything?

He'll go back to the UK, be rehabilitated by the family, marry again, and become so much a part of the establishment that twenty years on, people will have a hard time believing he was ever married to that crazy bitch from the Real Housewives franchise.

"[R316], no, I can’t imagine that there’s any precedent under in U.S. law for forcing other family members to kick into a divorce settlement."

Any financial contributions Harry's family might make to the divorce settlement will be... strictly voluntary.

And yes, R346, I also think it's possible that Harry won't fight for his kids, that he's too fucked up and self-absorbed to have formed much of an attachment. Like the kids were supposed to make him feel happy and fulfilled and he's not happy and fulfilled, and he was raised by absent parents anyway, so why should he fight for joint or primary custody of those disappointments? But I disagree that he'll go back to being a working royal, Harry has resented his royal obligations and has wanted out for a long time, and Charles is aware that the British public has had it with the wayward son. Sure, rehabilitation might be possible in time, but is Harry willing to put in the world to win the British public back over? I don't think so!

Ooooooh, I am watching Access Hollywood and just now there was a big segment on Oprah who was just honored at the Variety: Power of Woman event in Hollywood…Hillary and Chelsea Clinton were there, Fran Drescher was interviewed, the women on Abbot Elementary, etc. A pretty big see-and-be-seen deal. Guess who wasn’t there? Also one of the interviewees bragged about attending Oprah’s birthday bash on Maui and the photograph they showed had about a dozen people sitting down to eat and no mention of Megs there either.

[quote]Diana suspected her of having an affair with Charles so she spread the rumor that she aborted his baby.

That was another of Martin Bashir's lies. TLB got about 200,000 from the BBC for that act of duplicity.

Can't find it now but on that marklenews thing on instagram was a post by someone who claimed to know one of the Harkle nannies. She was told Harry was uncomfortable around the kids - and Meghan was ridiculously demanding of them. Never allowed to make a mess playing in the house - only Montessori wooden toys, not allowed any freedom, especially Archie (she didn't have anything to do with Lilibet - "babies are boring")

Anyhow the tidbit that Harry was not a hands-on dad... If true, when this agony of a marriage is over, he'll skip town without a care in the world. Since when has he seemed the type to "do the right thing" and play a positive role in his kids' upbringing, esp if it would mean continuing to deal with that guttersnipe of a mother. Hope she leaves it to the nannies and goes 110% full-press for her next goal (which won't be being a great comforting mom)

[QUOTE]Like the kids were supposed to make him feel happy and fulfilled and he's not happy and fulfilled, and he was raised by absent parents anyway, so why should he fight for joint or primary custody of those disappointments?

Because he doesn't want to pass on the Queen's, Charles' and his own genetic pain to his children so they don't have to engage in embarrassing internationally televised temple tapping?

If they split, will Dumbo really be welcomed back to the UK by either his family, the press or the public? Sure, the press may like to really stick it to MM, but Harry has goaded the UK press, outright accused them of being racist and sexist and actually been rude to some of them in person.

And he will hold onto his resentment toward his family and the press. His mental health seems to be poorly plus there is no cure or treatment for stupid.

Thank you, r349. I had a memory of reading it in Tina Brown's Diana Chronicles. It came out over 10 years ago before Bashir's duplicity came to light. Has he received any consequences? He conveniently developed heart symptoms last I read.

I DECLINED both of Oprah's events!!!

R352, Harry has trashed every relationship that he ever had. He wouldn’t see the Queen or Prince Philip before they died. He insulted the RF and lied about his father in the Oprah interview. He’s said nothing while Meghan repeatedly attacked Catherine. I don’t know why people think he’d ever been welcomed back to the UK. I can’t even see him caring very much about his children.

There's a post on askreddit about deaf giveaways that someone is not a good person and the answers all sound like H&M.

Nothing is ever their fault. They're always a victim. They tell lies for no reason. They talk shit about people. They aren't nice to their pets. They treat help/servers poorly. They brag about pulling a fast one. Can't take criticism but can dish it out. Only treating people who can benefit them well. Always asking for things but never giving anything.

But then again, it's probably because she's biracial.

*dead not deaf. Oof

R289, does that bodyguard have a case of mumps? Good lord, he's an ugly cuss.

The performance art of constantly clutching each other is truly stunning. Does anyone know any married couple who makes such outrageous displays of public affection past 6 months of marriage?

That's because no one anywhere has a more deep, pure, and abiding love than the Harkles.

I am easily convinced that Harry isn't well attached to his kids, both because his own parents were so distant, and because people who are desperately trying to fix themselves aren't usually good parents. I've seen this in my own family, my parents were psychological messes who were monumentally negligent parents, and as an adult I realized I needed to put too much effort into fixing myself to even think about a family of my own.

Like I said, he probably thought that having kids would fix him, make him feel loved and fulfilled, and of course that's not how parenthood works. How will he deal with the disappointment of unrealistic expectations being fulfilled? Probably by doing what most such straight men do, barely seeing his kids and viciously attacking anyone who suggests he isn't the perfect father.

I'm wondering if the lack of attachment to the children is simply because of, how can I say this nicely and without sounding offensive, they appear to be ugly.

Of course they are very young and may blossom, but it's highly unlikely.

The kids aren't ugly.

What did he expect? Those kids are Windsors.

The little girl looks like a frog.

Both of the children currently look like Markle’s family. But kids often change over time.

I'm all for H/M shade, but I've seen ugly kids- and they aren't. Check out Josh Altman's son on Instagram. He looks like a 60 year old Jew.

[QUOTE]I'm wondering if the lack of attachment to the children is simply because of, how can I say this nicely and without sounding offensive, they appear to be ugly.

If the kids were objectively unattractive, it would be a problem for Meghan, the narc, who carried and birthed them. Harry's detached from reality (and himself) so it follows he's detached from the kids, as well. I do wonder if he make an effort to bond whether Meghan would become envious of her own children. Many NPDs do eventually, but I'm talking about toddlers.

We only know this from a Reddit posting, which is about as accurate as Lady C and the Queen's bone cancer .

No interest in Meghan, but I don't believe Harry is a lousy father.

Those children look perfectly nice. Where poster upthread gets ugly from I do not know. And toddlers often change tremendously as they grow.

As for the "Windsor" jibe. Please. The Wales kids look anything but ugly. Charlotte already shows highly photogenic with beaucoup personality. Lady Louise after an ugly duckling phase is blossoming into a pretty young woman (if only someone would teach her how to dress). The Tindall and Phillips kids from Peter on down to Lena Tindall are very attractive.

Try googling the late lamented Prince William of Gloucester who died in a car accident at 32 leaving his brother to inherit the dukedom.

Man, you people need to get out more and ride the Tube regularly to see ccx what ugly people litter the earth.

The three Wales kids are going to take the stage by storm in ten years: 6'3" blond George, tall peach-skinned Charlotte with her mother's glossy thick hair and her grandmother's legs, and tall dark handsome Louis.

Watch this space.

It was a plane crash during a race, but yes Prince William of Gloucester was by far the most attractive man in the family more so than Prince Philip or his uncle, the Duke of Kent. William, PoW, is said to be named after him as he and Charles were close friends.

Lena Tindall is going to be a showstopper.

I just looked up this Gloucester dude.

Sorry - he ug.

Dear God, Heather Altman should have a aborted.

Why do H&M hide those kids? They must be ugly because we never see them. For all the bump cradling I expected her to be overkill with the kids.

I have two theories about where the kids are:

1: Meg won't make photographs public without being paid a fortune, and nobody's offering what she's asking.

2: Harry won't let his kids be raised in a "fishbowl" of publicity like he was, even if showing off their family on social media is an obvious way to make money.

I have no idea which theory is true, if either.

Well, bald, cross-eyed Archie was one of the least appealing babies I have ever seen. And there were enough pics to make that judgement. Perhaps they don't want to show him until the eye is corrected.

R373 you couldn’t be more an ugly stupid American if you tried, could you?

When it’s your kid, you don’t see ugly.

I look back over some old pictures of kids in my extended family, and a few had awkward phases. We never saw them as “awkward” at the time.

I think it’s the one area where Harry is firm with Meghan, not allowing the kids to be exploited. He resented it as a child and since Megs had used his family resentment to pry him loose, she can’t really turn around and use their kids the same way. She’s just biding her time.

Many children are somewhat cross-eyed in infancy but it corrects itself. Most infants are bald. Some of you seem completely unfamiliar with the entire concept of babies

I don't have kids but they are ubiquitous, so simple observation should have familiarized you with their standard features by now.

Or is this a matter of hating the parents so much that you lash out at their children? If so, that's reprehensible.

I don't think halfwit Harry has any kind of high standards about anything including keeping his kids out of the limelight.

It's more likely the raging narcissist Meg is keeping them out of the media until they are camera ready to her specific liking and ready for their close up. I do believe there is a cross eyed issue with Archie that is inherited.

The photo of Lili after the Jubilee was Meg's ANGRY knee jerk reaction to being snubbed and the only way she could redirect attention to herself. Is the guy who took the photo really a PROFESSIONAL photographer? The pose Lili was in with legs hidden looked so odd. Anyway, I think Meg will restrain her anger in the future and not release any more photos until the kids meet her standards. I didn't find the little girl cute, her face reminded me of the elderly supermarket cashier who always asks me if I have "big plans for the weekend".

The current Duke of Gloucester's son, the half-Danish Earl of Ulster, is quite dashing-looking.

R376, I'd put money on both. And I agree, it's the one place he puts his foot down.

Strabismus (cross-eyedness) does not get better on its own; if untreated, it can get worse.

So, was the supposed picture of little red haired Lily that was released around the time of the snubbing at the Jubilee...was that really her?

I know, I know, there are plenty of conspiracy theories, but I have seen some claims that that child was a little model and the picture of her was from a year or two ago.

Anyone else read this?

In any case, I like to think there is some part of Harry that is holding the line on publicizing his children.

The children will be flexng on sm soon enough.

I feel sorry for Markle. She has no idea how to be a person or a mother because she was effectively abandoned by both parents. Maybe Tom threw a few bucks at her but by even his own accounts, he was working all the time and just dragged Megs with him or left her with neighbors. That sounds so lonely.

But of course we have to deal with the present. She’s apparently a nasty person now, and should get a lot of therapy if for no other reason than to be a better parent.

I don’t really see her “fumbling the bag” as being a huge tragedy because royal life sounds miserable. It would have been better to keep things surface pleasant because it would have given them more options.

They could have quietly enjoyed a lot of perks as long as they weren’t actively biting the hand that fed them. Doesn’t mean they want to hang out with The BRF. Most of the BRF seem deeply unpleasant themselves.

FYI - the quickest way to have a thread 'Muriel'd' is to pass judgement on minors; or guys, in idiot terms - lay off the freakin' kids - there's more than enough to say about the parents alone.

R379 I've known plenty of people who thought their own babies or children of any age were ugly. As one woman told me about her kids - well, they're nice people but ugh - I've got eyes. A sister-in-law of mine felt bad that her daughter was ugly while other little ones in the family weren't. A lot of people see, well, the truth, whether it's their baby or not.

All that has nothing to do with Archie and Lili - I think they're cute. Not outstanding but cute enough. That very-fat faced picture of Queen Elizabeth as a baby - now that is ugly. But she grew out of that phase.

Oh and the sister in law's baby was cute! She just wasn't as stunning as the other two little girls in the family so she was ashamed of her.

Oh look who is pretending to be relevant.

^ She's beaming and he's smirking. Same old shit.

[quote]lay off the freakin' kids

Did malicious Meg lay off three year old Charlotte? No. Did halfwit Harry request his vicious fiancée lay off his niece Charlotte? No.

Do I think the kids should be trashed or vile things said? Of course not. But I don't think they should be treated any more special than anyone else's kids are on DL. If it can be said here that Prince Albert's kids look like children of the corn and Swedish Princess Victoria's son looks like a demon, then the Sussex kids aren't any more special than those kids. Commenting that the Sussex kids aren't cute or resemble an elderly person is mild by comparison to what is said about other children. As for Archie's possible eye condition, Lady Louise's has been discussed over the years so why should he be off limits?

All of this stinks as inauthentic, R392. Photos were taken by Misan Harriman, the same guy that took her pregnancy photos under that tree and also took Lilibet’s photo. A speaker on the panel was a founder of Shiffon and Co., you know, the makers of those rings she mercher when “playing” with Anne’s grandkids during the Jubilee.

R395 preaching gender equality in the UK? How odd. The UK has its 3rd woman Prime Minister now and had a Queen for 70 years.

^ Yes, but they have been SOOOOOOO mean to Meghan, so unequal, so unfair. And we all know how she had been this evolved, Female warrior since childhood.

YeaH, sure, get back to me when you give up your Douchess title. Till then you are FOS!!

How will they make money now? Will they have to repay advances?

From R399: "‘This is a really big deal for Meghan,’ a source tells me. ‘She takes the view that she doesn’t need to pay an outside firm a lot of money to do PR for her and Harry anymore.’"

R400 Also known as I can't afford to pay the bill anymore .

If she could stand not being the center of attention 100% of the time, maybe she could work as a low-end PR rep. But that'll never do for this narcosaurus.

It's a fun fantasy-exercise to imagine just WHAT she's going to do with the rest of her life. I'd think Madonna might offer some hints?

One big difference: I assume Madonna is never gonna have to worry about money?

Can you imagine the PR debacle with Meghan on charge and her constant delusional fantasies and lies? She really doesn’t have a clue.

‘She takes the view that she doesn’t need to pay an outside firm a lot of money to do PR for her and Harry anymore.’"

Holy fuck.

Meghan may just be getting ready to go scorched earth on the BRF. It could be getting very interesting ! Think about it,she has nothing left to lose.Her rep is in the toilet,they were basically frozen out at Liz's funeral,they cant produce a damn thing that will sell .She might react like a cornered rat .

Meghan doing her own PR is going to be very entertaining for us. An early Christmas present!

That is always an option r406. But let's see, where to start.....

Our superstar "overseas" royal is now running out of funds, looking on in shocked silence (and envy) at the endless remembrance queues forming over a beloved member of her (new) family (the same people she is desperately trying to destroy and erase), trying to salvage a book whose only goal is to slam William, Charles and especially Kate, trying to stem the constant bad press about her, stupid Mandela comment, Sunshine Sachs disappearance, bullying accusations, etc.

If you are so low in the polls, standing or whatever and you are fighing on all fronts, it is doubtful you are thinking coherently in terms of a viable moving forward strategy. The Harckles are "reactionary" people, they react. They don't think in a pro-active manner, how can this action help us, help our cause, our business.

As one interesting headline today stated and I paraphrase: What business do the Harkles have left if they stop criticizing or trashing the BRF?

No, the Harkles have no good options left. They have been check-mated by Charles. No clever, pricey Madison Ave PR can fix this mess.

R396, you are right, of course, but the U.K. has had powerful women leading the country for over 200 years in total. We've had eight Queens - the first ruled in 1553, and she was Bloody Mary. Not a woman to be trifled with. I suspect she'd have had Meghan burned at the stake by now.

Meghan's 'gender equality' mission is about attention-seeking, not doing good, but her fans just can't see it.

R408 here. I won't link the DM article in case this post gets cancelled: But DM headline I referenced in my post is as follows:

[bold]PLATELL'S PEOPLE: What value do the Sussexes have if they can’t be nasty about the royals?

It makes me mad they adopted one of those beagles that were rescued, I don't think they have spent any time with the dog and an animal that has been hurt is not going to want 2 young kids all over it.

My guess is she will use upcoming podcasts to compliment and attempt to curry favor with the RF in anticipation of any one on one meeting with KC she can wrangle in the future, whereupon she will launch a charm offensive…

I don't think they'll do scorched earth anything until they know Charles' final decision on the HRHs and Prince/Princess titles. It might be a game of "chicken": Charles may be waiting to see what they're going to do in the memoir and podcasts before making a decision on the titles.

Who will blink first?

As has been mentioned, it's one thing to sling mud at a Not Yet King and his wife, and Only Duke and Duchess of Cambridge for Now, with Gran keeping a lid on things. It's another thing to sling mud at the Actual King, the Actual Queen Consort, and the new Prince and Princess of Wales.

Meanwhile, Netflix wanted the memoir out to coincide with the fifth season of The Crown in December and Random House wants the memoir out to fill Christmas stocking.

If they aren't going scorched earth, I think the corporations are gonna corporation. Publish and be damned.

R414, I think so, too. They need to recoup the ridiculous advance they gave this moron. They don’t care if he and his wife want to do takesies-backsies. He keeps fucking with the publishing schedule, and you can’t run a business that way.

Penguin RandomHouse has probably exhausted all possible grace periods. It’s like anything else: forbearance only stretches so far. When you’re messing with the bottom line, corporations don’t give a shit about your fee-fees.

ALSO, take a look at Penguin RandomHouse’s Instagram and tell me how many wealthy white male authors they have. He’s on sufferance as it is…

I never got my Sussex Royal candlesticks with matching doily. It's been over 2 yesrs. Does anyone have a phone number for Sussex Royal? I sent email, but the only reply was "Ask Elizabeth."

The Maul, somewhat oddly, even for the Maul, has chosen to rewrite all the extracts from the first Valentine Low serial piece in The Times, as if it's actual reporting. I will say, seeing it again, if it's true she is utterly graceless and a real, petty bitch. Just a terrible person.

In all fairness to these dimwits, Sunshine Sachs wasn’t helping them. Mainly because they couldn’t stand up to them. So why should they pay a PR company when they’re going to ignore their advice and do whatever the duck they want? Actually think this is one of the best decisions H/M have made.

Of course it will end up in disaster (see Tom Cruise giving up his PR agency) but at least they’ll self destruct without any outside help and it will be spectacular.

Did Countess Dumbarton reactivate her hotmail account so she can pretend to be an assistant when responding to inquiries?

r411, especially since she gave up rescue dog Bogart because he didn't like Harry. I'd live to know what actually happened to Bogart. She name-dropped Ellen for years as being the one who told her to get Bogart and even name-dropped Suits to get Bogart when someone else initially wanted him.

Her friend Ninika Priddy was disgusted when she was linked in an email chain to the rescue centre by MM claiming she could offer the better home as the dog would become part of the Suits Family. WTF talks like that and plays that card?

Then on Ellen, she claimed they met and she got the dog well before Suits. Just weird, plus the initial rescue beagle ending up with two broken legs shortly after arriving in the UK.

[quote]Actually think this is one of the best decisions H/M have made.

So long as it isn't a cost cutting measure?

Why pay someone you don't listen to? It probably is a cost cutting measure but maybe SS didn't want to be associated with them anymore for constantly ignoring their advice (no PR firm on earth would have recommended the Uvalde trip or the ridiculously self-involved letter on paid leave).

Even the revelations aired on the Oprah special, the apple+ series and to Dax Shepard are rumoured to have annoyed Spotify and Netflix, the ones who are supposed to be paying them SO much money for access and content. Not to mention hurting both sides of their family. Who are their agents? Do MM and H take anyone's advice?

"‘She takes the view that she doesn’t need to pay an outside firm a lot of money to do PR for her and Harry anymore.’"

Everybody make popcorn, because that statement implies that she thinks she doesn't need to pay for PR at all! So stay tuned for a tone-deaf social media blitz!

It will be the lunatics running the asylum!

Meghan failed as an actress, failed as an influencer, failed as a royal. Until she married Harry nobody had a fucking clue who she was. And she thinks she can do a better job getting attention than Sunshine Sachs?

Don't forget she failed as a daughter, failed as a wife and failed as a mother! Three good ones.

We don't know that she's failed as a mother...yet.

Meghan's bump cradling is now a fashion statement!

[quote]We don't know that she's failed as a mother...yet.

Because she hasn't tried it yet.

I don't buy for one second that they fired Sunshine Sachs.

Among other things, how will Meg get guests for her podcast without SS strongarming their other clients into it?

No, SS dumped them, but of course they are allowing H&M to spin the narrative as they wish. Not out of altruism, but because anything else would make potential clients very cagey.

I think the Daily Mail keep repeating and rewriting the same stories to make sure people that don’t forget what a cunt Meghan is. The last thing they want is for the bullying and other stories to be forgotten and for the pair of idiots to be crack in the fold.

The Daily Mail loathes this pair of lying grifters, and will never stop publishing negative articles about them. Good on them I say.

I think this could actually end with one or the other Sussexes killing themself. All the doors are closing.

The story is that they owed Sunshine Sachs 2 million over the last year. Meghan kept putting them off and then finally paid her balance with the money from the Archetypes podcast. Once they got the money, they knew that not only was she difficult but she was not afraid to not pay her bill and they parted ways with the Sussexes. Note that whenever the Sussexes fuck up or screw someone over, they always go on the offense first in the media, hence the whispers they were leaving SS right before the Queen died.

The Clooneys have just hosted an A-list gala for their foundation's new award, bestowed upon social justice activists. It's everything that H&M have been aspiring to.

Were they not invited, or were they still observing a mourning period?

For a gay guide wanting a beard, Clooney couldn't have picked a more masculine-looking woman. Look at the jaw on her! She looks like a drag queen. But that dress she's got on is spectacular.

^^^Guy not guide.

R433, any confirmation of that?

Or are you Lady Colin, chick with a dick?

Bone cancer!

Yes, the non-invite to the Clooney event is MAJOR. Who knew he had a foundation? but it’s everything Megs strives for, “The Clooney Foundation for Justice” and they handed out *awards*! Why didn’t Megs think of that!! There was a Red Carpet and A Listers in gowns.

The award is named after a South African activist—that explains why the Sussexes weren’t invited, lol. Now, I’m of the opinion that Clooney and Amal attended the Sussex wedding as guests of *Charles* not striver Meghan. He’s on some charitable thing with Charles but all the Hollywood type invites were tagged as Meghan’s guests and she basked in that, there was even talk that she spent time at Como and flew on their private jet but no invite here? The mourning period has officially ended so that’s no excuse.

Amal's dress is spectacular. AND she can pull it off.

The Clooneys probably went to the Harkle wedding due to knowing Charles and Camilla, but I bet MM instigated inviting them, along with inviting Oprah (who came), and Reese Witherspoon (who declined and publicly said it was because she didn't know them - burn!)

What I thought was truly tacky was to invite so many people to the actual wedding but not to the evening after event. The Suits colleagues flew across the pond and didn't realise they were only invited to the actual wedding the day of. Harry's old friends were also excluded as were Camilla's children.

Just incredibly bad form. And the bride having only one family member present sent alarm bells ringing for me.

We DECLINED the Foundation gala!!!!

Yeah sure. Now if you retained a genuine PR firm instead of going all DIY, you could’ve floated something believable, toothache, fallen arches, sick baby, but putting out excuses afterwards makes it sound like you didn’t even know it was happening. Sucks to be so isolated up there in Montecito.

My god, Amal looks like she got hit in the face with a sieve. Makeup consultant in here stat.

She should have claimed to have had chicken pox

Didn't Amal go to the glitzy New York baby shower? And George made some statement defending MM a long time ago.

Was it in the latest Spectator article that Paris Hilton said Hollywood hosts are reluctant to invite the Narcles because they do not want to have a center of attention at an event? Another host(ess) supposedly was concerned they would not keep discussions in the room. Does Hilton have any credibility now (or did he ever)?

R443, that would be rescue chicken pox…

My two theories: They can't afford to pay SS anymore or SS made the decision to withdraw services because of their antics. Agencies have been known to decide the client is hurting the agency's reputation or the client won't take advice.

At this point it would be better for Netflix to make a documentary about them from the royal perspective. They have enough material.

-- The Times U.K. Comment

Will Sunshine Sachs allow the D.M. headline that the Dumbartons "dumped" them to go unchallenged?

I agree, R447. SS probably realize that the reputation of Brand Harry and Meghan is now sliding rapidly, way past the point of return. Representing these two could not reflect positively on SS at all.

I don't understand Netflix and why they continue to associate themselves with these two. Allegations of being wearing wires, outrageous video events like Uvalde, the increasing awareness of the despicable behavior of these two does not make Netflix look good at all. In fact, Netflix could be seen as complicit in their despicable behavior, as has happened with Oprahessed and Gale.

I wonder if Netflix is now focused on exploiting them, and recouping their financial blunder by getting involved with them, by mining their story when they finally hit bottom, a bottom they never will recover. Now THAT will be interesting entertainment, a Greek modern day drama of hubris, betrayal of family and country, and evil behavior avenged by the Gods.

[bold]I'll narrate r450.

-- Duke of Sussex

You'd have to be able to read, first.

R450 I wish Netflix would, but turning on someone they made a partnership wouldn’t put them in the best light.

It’s all about money. In case you didn’t see that, it’s all about money. I believe the bit about the Sussexes not paying, Sunshine Sachs would defend a walrus if the walrus had bucks. PR people with morals? Shit, we’ve had PR people hired to defend the most despicable and obstinate people, like Jeffrey Epstein. If you bring the bucks, they’re there. Look at Dump trying to find a decent lawyer—not paying his bills means that no decent lawyer wants to represent him.

And yes, maybe they are still in mourning but you realize that people being honored at events like Clooney’s PAY to be honored? People PAY to attend? It’s usually thousands of dollars and the money goes to the charity (or the pockets of unethical charity organizers.)

I think everything going on is indicative of lack of money for the Sussexes. They don’t have the money to live in the rarified air they want to.

Possibly the Netflix content will be like The Cut article; the Sussexes will just make fools of themselves and Netflix will keep the cameras rolling.

[quote]Look at Dump trying to find a decent lawyer—not paying his bills means that no decent lawyer wants to represent him.

But it's also at some point (and probably to a lesser degree) because some people/firms don't want the stain or the hassle (probably justified by a refusal to pay the bills.)

If you're a PR firm fronting a problem client at some point the fact they're always in the soup, unpopular, whatever the problem is, could be interpreted as you just aren't a talented firm. I worked agency once - one of the big firms, not some publicity factory - and we had certain categories that even we wouldn't touch... tobacco and arms dealers, I think. I mean not exactly leading the parade of saints but almost every firm does eventually have lines they don't cross.

I find it hard to believe that SS would cut ties. Who cares if they listen - just keep taking the money. I do believe that the Harkles would fire them because MM believes herself an expert on everything and no doubt blames the PR agency for their string of failures. Like many I look forward to full frontal, unfiltered Meghan. Should be vastly entertaining.

It takes a lot for a firm to fire a client, that's certain.

Oh, for the good old days, when we actually had insiders from various industries who could at least share the gossip, because you know the PR industry knows what is really going on. Friend of a friend...

Oh, please no, R457. I'll die if I have to see that woman full frontal! Harry, however, I'm open to...

I see no difference pre-and post-SS crap PR. It's a daily torrent of Sparkles complaining about something or other.

[quote]Clooney’s PAY to be honored? People PAY to attend? It’s usually thousands of dollars and the money goes to the charity (or the pockets of unethical charity organizers.)

Clooney and his beard aren't morally superior to the Harkles. Just better looking, better dressed and way better at the PR spin game.

Weren't there rumors of Clooney's "Foundation" allegedly laundering money for his beard's arms dealing family? He would be beholden to them given she and her family are providing him a cover and saved his career from going down the toilet after his heinous incident with the twink on Como.

[quote] The former Silicon Valley bigwig who is now Meghan and Harry's new PR guru: Archewell employee - who went to the same university as the Duchess - will now take the reins to boost their image after couple dumped glitzy New York team. Meghan Markle and Prince Harry have turned to a top Silicon Valley PR to boost their image after ditching New York-based Sunshine Sachs. The Duke and Duchess's ventures will now be handled 'in-house' at their charitable foundation Archewell, with Christine Weil Schirmer at the helm. Ms Schirmer, 42, was Harry and Meghan's head of communications from October 2020 until July 2021, when she became a Senior Advisor.

From the DM. That didn't take long. Meghan does not seem to work well with women. I wonder how long she will last. If I were Megs, I would ditch the rouse of female empowerment and start hiring men, if only to keep those temptations of bullying and torment at bay.

"Don't worry, if there were literally ANYBODY ELSE I could ask to do this, I wouldn't be asking you" - xoxo The Duchess of Overseas

That's going to be another problem. As a reputation spreads for being a shitty place or person to work for, the quality of talent willing to work for them declines. So what little benefit might be accrued from actual guidance becomes less and less as well.

Why do they need public relations? What do they even have to relate to the public?

It's a good question, R464, as they pursue the privacy they sought.

Regarding the Clooney snub, I can't recall if it was Valentine Low or Katie Nichol's new book but one one them talked to a "Hollywood power player" about why H&M are/were iced out of big celebrity events, including the Obama's big birthday bash. The source said something along the lines that H&M are in a precarious situation. For example, if they were to attend the Clooney fundraiser or any other celebrity event, all the attention would be focused on them vs. the celeb and/or the cause they are going to promote. And there is element of discretion and Meghan's big mouth. They couldn't even resist trying to pull the focus at The Queen's funeral, so they are not going to give a shit about the Obama's or Clooney's. This rings completely true.

My guess is Sunshine Sachs dumped them for the doing the same stupid crap they tried to do while they were in the RF. They wanted to do what they wanted, not be told what to do, and if someone had the absolute gall to tell them what to do, they would do the opposite. Honestly, dealing with these two must be like dealing with two year olds. No... No... NO NO NO NO. I feel for their kids, because they are probably more mature than they are.

I do believe the non payment story. Hollywood is not the Royal family and they will happily throw anyone under the bus. It was said that because Harry and Meghan were "royal" and because all the PR SS drummed up for them was to that effect, they didn't want to be in a place where it looked like they were "shaking down the the royals for money", which is what Meghan held over their head. Once they got their payment, the immediately cut bait.

Where is there more info re: that, R461, never heard about it.

I am unfamiliar with the Clooney and the twink story. Can anyone provide the details?…

Exactly r468 .you have to be in Kevin Spacey-type trouble for a PR agency to dump you, and contrary to DL threads, the Sussexes still have a lot of support in the US. As long as the money train keeps going, there are no issues. And the fact that they have one person now doing PR (much, much cheaper) tells me that the money issue is a big one.

Markle has a history of not paying debts owed so it seems quite plausible that they had not kept current re: SS. Once the ledger was cleared, SS released them as clients.

I don't watch the Campbell (sp) person but have read this take elsewhere, a few places. Markle did not pay her rent in Canada, for example. They are slimy loathsome people. SS knew she was due a lump sum payment and made sure to get theirs.

7057 US adults, Aug 31, 2022:

Alot or some sympathy for the Sussexes: 31%

Little or no sympathy: 48%

R473, that’s an oddly worded question. I have little to no sympathy, but I don’t hate them as others do here. I just find them interesting fodder for gossip.

I didn't write the question, R474, sorry. Your personal superiority is noted, however.

R475, it’s not superiority. These people are fun to gossip about, but unlike others who—potentially affect or have affected my life (Dump, Mitch McConnell, Putin, various dickhead Senators and congresspeople), I just physically can’t summon the hate. It just isn’t there. Just being honest.

The Clooney saga...hold on to your hat.

Clooney and his bff Rande Gerber liked to entertain themselves by having local twinks visit at Clooney's villa in Lake Como, due to lax laws there. Very likely money was exchanged for these visits. Allegedly there was an underground dungeon there. One Italian twink was so freaked out he ran out into the night and fell off a cliff. He ended up paralysed and in a wheelchair for life. Clooney was said to have paid quite a lot for his rehabilitation and care and to hush it up.

Note - The age of consent in Italy is 14 years old, and rises to 16 when one participant is in a position of authority or influence over the other (teacher, clergyman, etc).

^ I’ll also include assholes like Martin Shkreli, who have taken advantage of people in mass proportion, people who were sick that he didn’t give a shit about.

Thanks, r477. Wow…

And then he married Amal?

Netflix obviously originally hired Harry and Meghan as a companion piece to The Crown. That was back in the day when it was presumed they were on good terms with the Royals and they had no doubt promised Netflix they would give them interviews with senior royals. Then they trashed the royals to Oprah. Netflix must have been livid realizing H&M had lied about their proximity to the royals and being able to deliver the royals to take part in their reality show.

Netflix is in a subscription war and not the market darling it was. It laid off 300 people in June, it's Chief Accounting Officer quit after four months in the job and the stock down 62% year to date. Would it really hold back what it thinks can help right the ship? Whatever they've done, Netflix isn't going let it become less valuable.

In other news, the Harkles are moving from Montecito to Hope Ranch. Not linking DM piece in case this post gets deleted. Headline below:

[bold]Is Meghan on the move? Sussexes 'are eyeing homes in exclusive California private community Hope Ranch - and may already have bought one there - after deciding their $14m Montecito mansion "does not properly accommodate them"'

Meghan moves every year or two. Of course Montecito wasn't going to last, especially since the community has not exactly gathered the Sussexes to its bosom.

I don't understand why any PR firm would touch them. You can't spin gold out of a turd (in this case two turds). It just can't be done

Cursory search looks like Hope Ranch has cheaper properties than Montecito. Wondering if Harry is off loading major debt.

Harry and Meghan looked like a golden opportunity when they first left the BRF. They could have been, if they'd just been gracious about the royals and framed their exit as wishing to pursue opportunities outside of the Royal round. A LOT has happened since then, including the deaths of Harry's grandparents at the most inopportune times for the couple. The God of TIming really hates them.

Oprah has fully come out about her sponsorship of these two halfwits.

It's really too bad that H/M didn't play nice with the BRF. Harry could still have written the book- there are plenty of interesting stories to tell that wouldn't offend I'm sure.

But the Oprah interview ruined everything, and I blame Meghan. He may be dim, but I always have a soft spot for the little boy walking behind his mother's coffin

R466, see r445.

I think Harry has a LOT of malice towards his family. The way he treated his grandparents in their final years was shocking.

Harry cant ride out the "I was a scared little boy when Mummy died" any longer. Its apparent his anger is driving him ,long past the point where it was forgivable or even understandable. I think marrying Markle showed the family that the Harry they loved is GONE. Whats left is a hollow shell of the Bad Boy they once held so dear. He and that idiot bitch are 2 peas in a pod . 2 people who should have never found each other.

It's quite a thing to trade greedy and scheming for just plain mean via dumb and dumber.

He claimed his DYING grandfather was faking to try to get him to delay airing the Oprah show. I mean there are some things, like tormenting the dying, that are unforgiveable. Wearing wires around family or photographing family spaces, violating privacy and creating security risks is another as is unkindness toward small children. And we will never know how the dog ended up with 2 broken legs. The abandoned one got luckier.

r494, I don't think I heard that about Prince Philip. Do you have a quote or link?

Not r494, but I think he's referring to Meghan's comment that she "won't be muzzled."

From the website that shall not be linked lest Muriel's panties turn into a noose.

[QUOTE]Friends of Meghan Markle say she would never ask to postpone Sunday's release of her tell-all interview with Oprah and claim the royal family is using Prince Philip's health as an excuse to keep her 'muzzled,' sources tell DailyMail.com.

R492, if a remember correctly, a retired royal photographer with a long history with the BRF and who had been very fond of Harry, described the two of them using the analogy of two chemicals that were volatile but harmless individually but when combined become explosive / destructive. Together, the two of them ignite their worst traits and characteristics

I've never heard that Prince Philip story, or the wearing of wires either.

R494 - It was Meghan who said that and the gist of what she said was that "she had no regrets about releasing the O interview while PP was in the hospital b/c that was the royal families attempt to silence them". I believe that was released by mouthpiece Scobie.

R489 that “little boy” is now middle-aged. Unless we’re lucky, many of us will deal with traumatic experiences as children. But at some point we have to let it go.

Harry is an interesting guy r491. And I don't mean that in a good way. I looked at his face at Prince Philip's funeral and it was the same "sour puss" face he had at his grandmother's funeral. Not a trace of grief. Just steaming hot anger. You have to admit - either Harry is completely off his rocker (undiagnozed mental illness, untreated, off his meds, etc) or subject of horrible abuse (as referenced by the Harkles).

If Charles is such a nasty player, vindictive guy towards his kids, and playing the media against them, yeah, I guess I'd be pretty resentful towards him.

I am not a Harkle fan (former Dangling Tendrils OP) but perhaps....maybe there is some grain of truth in what Harry is saying. Shitty way to leave the BRF and treat his grandmother that way in her last few months, days, hours but that must be part and parcel of the "damage" inflicted on Harry, I dunno.

But there is no excuse for Markle's words and deeds here. Both she and Charles are playing a dangerous game.

MM has met her match in Charles I suspect.

Oops - undiagnosed meant to say. ^^^^^

LOL How could the Montecito mansion not meet their needs?

Harry is a mess. He can’t even mourn the passing of his grandparents without fixating on petty slights and not being treated in a manner he feels entitled to.

It's too small ,they still have to see each other every other day or so .

I have said this before but a friend and I have been to the Montecito mansion. There really is no security and based on the photos, it's probably the nicest house in a mid grade Montecito subdivision. The entrance to their home is covered in unsightly green tarps and they have cameras everywhere. The neighborhood itself has people out walking, kids playing. All the mega-mansions are gated on huge amounts of land. H&M house is cheap for Montecito and they bought it with the house having a lot of problems. The area they are looking at is the Le Cumbre Country Club and would be behind proper gates, which their current subdivision does not have. Anyone can enter.

Not enough bathrooms.

R505, gated communities aren’t as safe as all that. All the service workers, deliverymen, and car services have the codes. I hadn’t realized that until a friend of mine moved into one of those places.

True, R505, but their current neighborhood is not gated. Their house is, but not the neighborhood so they are more exposed. Just an observation.

Harry has been a bratty jealous shithead since he was a child, and is going to exact revenge on his family with his book, he thinks. So, go to it lad, good luck with the healing.

The nicer gated communities actually have guards 24/7, not just a gate code.

I would expect a gated community with multi-million dollar houses to have a gate house with guard 24/7. There are many gated middle class subdivisions in California, strangely in the Cental Valley around Stockton, Lodi. If you were to look at the homes you wouldn't think they're in a gated community. Nothing huge or fancy and they don't have guards. I think it's mainly to keep homeless out. Far different from the McMansions in the gated communities north and east of Sacramento

In OC almost all of the expensive communities have guards. Sometimes, they're even awake.

Will they uproot the connected palmtrees?

No, R513, at the next place Harry will spot a fountain, and Meghan will remark that it reminded them of how they rose above the constriction of Royal life to spurt compassion in their quest to rid the world of terrible plights, like having to live off only multi-million pound trust funds.

I hope the rumors that Trevity Trev Trev is writing a book are true.

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r486 Any big or medium name celebrities live in Hope Ranch?

Hope Ranch is nice but has a totally different vibe than Montecito and it doesn’t have nearly the cachet. I would have thought they would just buy another property in Montecito unless they’re downsizing (doubtful) or are being frozen out by their celebrity neighbors

Netflix doesn't care about class, they care about ass (getting asses in the seats) so they should just do a gossip show about them instead of some serious charity event.

DM loves sticking it to H&M and I am here for it

R518, are housing prices cheaper? If the moving rumors are true, they might want to down-price, so to speak, to pay off debts with the proceeds from the Montecito sale.

The epic PR fails will be great for the cold days of winter.

Every lie, misstep, bad hair day will be enlarged & magnified. The tabloids will be on them like a pack of wolves. Sharks smelling blood in the water.

Lots of America now has BLM fatigue & outright scorn, especially those dolts who gave them money to buy their party houses, etc. So Racissst will have less sting when she tries to play that card.

Her instincts & intuition are so bad & you know she will drive away any decent staff with her attitude & behaviors, especially if she has to pay them.

Maybe I need to buy a new popcorn maker.

God, I suppose we'll have to suffer even more invasions of the deficient seeking to avenge the indefensible. Still, their misdirected fury can be entertaining, if repetitive. Klan granny, rent free in your head, the usual refrains.

The Sussexes apparently are getting some PR help from some well-known L.A. guru. SS was NY based. A couple of days ago, about a dozen US magazines ran a blurb of "support for Meghan Markle the Activist Altruist" by Oprah, listing all the causes Meghan has been involved with.

So, evidently, Oprah is still on board, and the new focus is going to be on winning over America, and putting out a blanket of counter-messages to Low book, which is about to be published this week, alongvwith the US publication of the Bower book, and their all too realistic portraits of Meghan the Psycho Bitch.

Whether it will work or not remains to be seen.

Because the problem for Meghan is that the public view of her is not based on what she says and professes to care about, but who the public can sense she IS

Meghan and Harry would be well advised to drop the tiresome persecution of his family, rich whingers don't go down well at the best of times, let alone bad ones. It's never done anything but make them look bad.

It's a good time to turn the page and move on for real, with his father now on the throne and the Wales' wielding more power, accept that they burnt their bridges to the BRF and Britain, and start new on a positive note.

That would be my advice, were I their new PR.

And Harry should withdraw his security case against the UK government.

Time to ring the bell, close the book, and snuff out the candle, Meghan.

Especially as you're no Gillian Holroyd.

RR523 all the Klan Granny shrieking might be gone with the departure of SS

R525 - that will be an interesting test of whether it was real or paid or even automated, if that's possible.(I still struggle to understand bots.)

That's a really interesting approach, R524. If they did just shut up on the grievance trail and truly put their - I was gonna say minds but you'd need more than that - ambitions toward standing on their own two feet and doing their own work, maybe. But if you accept the Low book, he's got the wrong wife for that because her ambitions appear to be to behave and be treated like the Hollywood star she never was, never will be and who nobody wants to work with. And he's trapped in his avenging mummy complex. Maybe it is a turning point, but not one of their own making. With every poor us stunt and leak, they're kind of like Britney with the meltdowns. With each successive one, sympathy declines and ick factor increases.

Neither have any talent. Well, Meghan has the social climbing talent but that will take you so far. It's not going to make you a successful public figure after you managed to climb to the top rung of the ladder. You need more to keep you there. Since they have no other talents, the only thing keeping them there and making them money is talking shit about Harry's family.

Which is the job of the tabloids.

Is that all they aspire to do?

They can't come back as a couple. Not after the race card. There is no middle ground after how they launched the bomb. They either stick with it or admit a lie, that would seem the two choices. How do you put that behind? He might be able to find minor place again if the family demonstrably forgives him, which they probably would if they think him dumb, emotional and manipulated. He'd probably be happier protecting wildlife in Africa. And more admirable, too.

Agree, R525, but what do they have in terms of currency if they were to just stop their current strategy of Palace trashing. This might have been mentioned ion similar threads, but a fun approach (one they would never take) is more a "Simple Life" spin, ala Paris and Nicole in the Ozark, adapting to a totally new life. It would be fun to see Harry encounter day to day problems of the plebs.

To R525 point, the "classy" (Meghan's favorite word) thing to do would be to some how stop the BRF bashing, relinquish their titles on their own, while rebuilding trust and and relationship with Charles. While I think the Wales' are done, I do believe Charles loves his son. Based on the wedding, Charles would throw them a bone with royal appearances and keep them comfortable financially. The problem is that Meghan is highly unlikable. She is the embodiment of the "nasty woman" trope. I was watching HBO's relatively new documentary "Queen of the World" about the Windsors. This was shot when Meghan was still part of the family. Meghan goes on (and on and on) about HER wedding veil, HER idea to put the Commonwealth countries, etc. She's just such a bitch. I remember when she was on Suits, she was being interviewed on a red carpet and the interviewer made the mistake of starting to talk to another cast member. Meghan started insulting him, asking if he was actually from LA, and trying to embarrass him. This was well before Harry.

Meghan can act in the big moments for a short period of time, but she can't hide her feelings in the long game. That snapping at the aide on the walkabout is another example.

High Flying, Abhorred.

A “Prince in the City” kind of show with Harry taking on every day tasks regular Americans do could have been fun. But what to do with her? She’s not remotely interesting, and has zero sense of humor about herself. Plus she’s just not likable

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The whole "Africa" thing appears to me to be slogans and busy work for fame, like Invictus. Other people do the hard stuff, and Harry parades around searching for celebrities to slap, like Taylor Hawkins. I think he's making a play to wheel and deal with the Silicon Valley boys -- investing in startups. losing at crypto, that kind of thing. Minimum work, lots of polo and weed time. She's just as weak with the performative activism and $25 Starbucks sympathy cards. and is doubling down on her righteous whatever projects.

They have to continue slagging off the BRF because that's what they promised these 2 big companies they'd do. So I'm not looking for any page to turn, and expect the badmouthing to continue as long as somebody is paying.

R534, that's what Harry did learn from the BRF. You think any of them do the hard work? They show up- that's it. Everything is planned for them.

If they are such great "humanitarians" why do they trash the Royal Family? That's not very "humanitarian."

Meghan reminds me of an entry level marketer with no skills other than being pretty, who used to work in my old company. She sucked up to everyone, until she finally got to the point where she was the bosses mistress. Next thing you know she's the CMO with no qualifications, and turned into a ball busting bitch who would swan in wearing the most expensive designer outfit screaming at everyone because the sales numbers were down. This all happened in under six months. A year later all the talent, and big clients left. The company's reputation permanently in the shitter, she's now the bosses wife, and trying to launch social media campaigns to get numbers up. I think a lot of people clocked Meghan right away, because we have all known a Meghan at some point in our lives. Once you meet, and experience a Meghan anyone with that disposition sends a up a red flag. I'm sure that is what set the others off to her. In their positions Meghans are a dime a dozen looking for any crack in the door to get the foot in.

R535 you sound cinfused. The monarch and the heir have to be current with government affairs, attend meetings and diplomatic affairs, and develop projects. They are busy with varying concerns. Unlike Harry the past 2.5yrs, who has cried that Will didn't arrange his post-Megxit life, and further complains every chance he gets. He is an angry idiot who was extremely lucky to have had the cover of the BRF all his life, but now they're the lucky ones since he flew the coop with his sparkly chicken.

My alarm bells went off during the engagement interview. I finally realized the reason was M reminded me sooo much of someone I had to work with. And she was a nightmare.

You can’t really blame the spares for acting out when they were raised with no real identities or sense of purpose. This whole working Royals thing is nonsense. They show up for a few hours, cut ribbons, pretend to be interested, then head home. Fine for the heir, but not for anyone else. Harry should’ve been brought up with guidance, including selecting a future profession. Not raised as a spare, sucking off the Royal teet for decades then discarded. The system is backwards. That’s why most of them come out fucked up.

Harry wasn’t discarded - he and his wife did that themselves.

R538, I'm not "confised". I've probably read 500 books plus on the BRF. Yes, Charles will be doing the boxes but you do realize how many months a year they are on vacation? And calling a butler because you can't bend down to pick up a letter?

We should all have their "jobs".

Boo fuckin hoo. Harry had every advantage, access to incredible history and privilege, yet still couldn't get interested in anything. Good for him that he's in California in a gated soulless lily white community by his polo. Be happy Haz.

Leave the white shit out of it. It has nothing to do with anything and his wife is mixed race, so the implication is obvious and wrong.

Where they live right now isn't a gated community, but I would be happy to fix them up in a gated community.

[quote]we have all known a Meghan at some point in our lives.

Also, there's a tiny bit of "Meghan" in each one of us, and we recognize the traits.

R540 I remember reading a comment on another site where they recalled how heirs and spares used to be handled. You had the heir, then the military son, the clergyman son and the financier son. Too bad Harry didn’t want to put the effort in to continue in the military or at least try harder in school.

R530 that video clip tells you all you need to know about her. She's aggressive, petty and jealous as hell. Desperate to be famous.

I don't think that being the "spare" is necessarily the cause of Harry's troubles, nor was it the cause of Andrew's troubles. Harry's troubles are due to his shockingly poor intellectual and emotional development, most likely attributable to Charles being a distant father and Diana being a bit daffy and dying young. Andrew was simply too indulged by his mother and believed himself to be unaccountable to anyone for his bad behavior. Few men in the Windsor family turn out well; William; Richard, Duke of Gloucester; and Edward, Duke of Kent may be among the few. The women are the backbone of the dynasty.

Is there anyone in that family that's actually smart?

Too much inbreeding.

People on twitter are reporting Oprah for spreading misinformation. She put out something under her Oprah's Daily that says Archie and Lili are Prince and Princess now.

R546, personality disorders are traits that are in all of us but are exaggerated and uncontrolled in the mentally ill person. Yes, we are all capable of being cruel, manipulative, controlling, egotistical, amoral, etc. and we all are on occasion, usually when stress and we usually regret it. Sure, we see aspects of our self in her. However, someone who has a personality order as Meghan does, and as does Harry for that matter, behaves in these ways at baseline, consistently and with no insight or regret. It is who they are and no drug or years of psychotherapy will ever change them.

This video, R551? There's a lot of misinformation in it.

HMQ, by all accounts, was quite intelligent r550.

It's all relative, R550. Charles and William are probably very average, but compared to Harry, they're Einstein.

Regarding inbreeding, William and Kate are not meaningfully related to one another, nor were Charles and Diana or George VI and Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon. However, Elizabeth II and Prince Philip were second cousins once removed and third cousins; George V and Queen Mary were second cousins, once removed; Edward VII and Alexandra were third cousins; and Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were first cousins. Fortunately, the trend is away from inbreeding.

I suspect Queen Elizabeth, Anne, William and Cate were/are highly intelligent. Camilla and Sophie are either high or above average in intelligence. Charles, Andrew are average. Harry is dumb.

Dumb and Dumbarton...

I suspect anyone who makes assessments of others' intelligence with no basis whatsoever is three notches above what was once called trainably mentally retarded. Though I suppose it's marginally better than the good taste of cancer of the broken heart and incontinence. Jesus...

R559, LOL. However, there are indicators of IQ, such as education, profession and accomplishments.

Right well Charles and William went to university, William was trained helicopter search and rescue pilot, but on our scale it is suspected they are in fact of lower intelligence that Anne, who did not go to university. But I suspect we're all full of shite if masters of bad taste.

I don't think we've heard the royals speak enough spontaneously or read their original writings so as to give an estimation of their intelligence. Their public personae are too carefully curated for us to estimate their intelligence. As a psychologist, I can estimate a person's intelligence with reasonable certainty if I have enough experience with their speech and writing, but that will never happen with the royals unless someone is up close for a sufficient amount of time.

[quote]High Flying, Abhorred.

This deserves so many more W&W votes than it has. It makes me suspect that dear old Datalounge has indeed been invaded by you-know-who.

R562, but it’s not just a question of how someone speaks. Virtually everyone in the RF has been extensively written about; we know a fair bit about their lives. You can draw some conclusions about people based on how they make decisions.

Christ, 90% of The DL is speculation, conjecture and opinion. If speculating on someone's intelligence on here triggers you, maybe this isn't the place for you.

Harry couldn't even effectively graduate from the British equivalent of high-school and couldn't go to University. He's dumb. Meghan went to Northwestern and majored in "Communications" aka Showbiz 101. She's no intellectual either.

What triggers is the smug certainty. It's weird. Let alone the sad notion intelligence is of any interest as gossip. But hey ho.

But you have to admit she's smarter than him, R566.

Emmas is smarter.

R559, you did exactly what you said attacked other people for doing. Are you always such a blatant hypocrite?

Well, that was taking posters in their own trap, which of course you'd have to be intelligent enough to recognize, R570. But otherwise, yes, always, when I have the moral and intellectual high ground on a matter. 100%!

[QUOTE] Also, there's a tiny bit of "Meghan" in each one of us, and we recognize the traits.

Your insidious attempt to normalize psychopathic behavior has been noted.

Even "smart" people can make very stupid decisions...

[quote]there's a tiny bit of "Meghan" in each one of us

More fibre will help ease that.

Since we're on the topic, are corgis considered intelligent dogs?

Corgis aren't intelligent. They're no border collies. But even Corgis are smarter than Harry.

A garden variety black slug is smarter than Harry.

Herding dogs by nature are intelligent, more so than other breeds. Corgis aren't stupid by any stretch of the imagination. They're also bred for health

I have no doubt that SS dropped them after finally receiving payment. Clients like the Harkles, who are extremely high maintenance and don't follow the script, end up costing agencies a lot more than they are worth. Theoretically some agencies might keep them because of their high profile, but no one wants clients who expect lots of work (because of last minute switches/disagreements/etc. and don't pay their bills. No one. They end up costing the agency a lot of money and burning out (and pissing off) the staff.

A wet paper bag is smarter than Harry.

Considering how she treated staff in the UK, perhaps MM treated SS staff the same way.

I have no doubt, R581

R553. If Oprah says it..Its totally true. Oprah knows all. Well at least she thinks so.

I'm confused why she is going in again to attempt to polish these two turds. She will be caught again in supporting their lies. Does Meghan have some real dirt on her? I still wonder why no one explores that nasty Marckus Anderson & his whore House, whoops meant Soho House stuff. Always seemed like it was a honey trap/money washing joint. Wonder if he has some dirt he gives Meghan to keep Oprah & Tyler defending her.

Just came across this, Prince Phillip spoke German. I never knew that.

[quote]But you have to admit she's smarter than him

A yoghurt is smarter than Harry and more cultured.

Oprah has a history of promoting truly awful people, so this fits.

Has anyone asked the Harkles why they even need PR since they claimed to want to lead "private" lives?

My 15 year old niece doesn't even know who Oprah is so I think she is mainly popular with the older frau type or the type who feels we must support every black person.

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And that's not saying much, even we have to admit.

R541, Harry discarded himself before he was inevitably sidelined. That's the life if a spare, taking an easy job with great pay and benefits, but where you slowly get demoted and eased out ov we decades. It's not a life I envy, even though I like to think I'd have been a good Princess Anne at it.

I agree with R540, too, in that they really do need to do a better job of preparing the spares to live outside the nest. Although I don't think the best teachers and life coaches could gave done much with Harry, he's so stupid, lazy, sngry and spoiled. Some people just can't be helped.

Philip was German, r584, with a bit of Danish and Russian. A lot of his childhood was spent in Germany. If he hadn't had to flee Greece at such a young age, he would have known Greek too

R576, the corgis didn't like Harry but they did like MM.

He probably kicked them when nobody was looking

Ken Sunshine from Sunshine Sachs is one creepy looking dude. Slimy. He has the power to get Dumbartons black listed, I wonder if he will exercise that power.... I doubt their new PR are more powerful than this guy.

Supposedly Sunshine Sachs has the best, most ruthless "Fixers" in the industry and are the go to agency when a celebrity gets in trouble and needs to bury a story. If this is what the owner of the company looks like, the Fixers must be horrifying looking.

^ Ew at all the fillers in his face.

R563 Agree, I’ve posted lyrics that get the equivalent of a blank stare.

Who the hell does the King of England think he is?

Link to the new thread:

One would think Oprah had learnt her lesson from that car-crash interview. The Sussex kids aren't anything until King Charles III issues Letters Patent saying so - because, when they were born, they were GREAT-grandchildren of the Sovereign, not grandchildren. The automatic HRH stops with being BORN grandchildren; if the grandparent succeeds after their birth, it requires confirmation and bestowal by the new Sovereign. The exception is the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales/first in line for the throne.

So although William's eldest SON was entitled at birth, his siblings weren't. Thus, the Queen issued Letters Patent, anyway, so that all William's children would be on an even footing, especially any daughters.

Archie and Lilibet aren't a Prince and Princess until Charles says so. And at the rate Meghan's and Harry's "friends" are helping out, Charles, like anyone who feels he's being pushed, will likely dig in his heels and turn around and do what Queen Margrethe just did.

Charles up in Scotland today, kilted, his first public appearance since mourning ended. Warm reception with crowds and cheers.

Meanwhile, Wee Nic met a mixture of boos and catballs today.

Reports of the death of GreatER Britain, like that of the monarchy, have been greatly exaggerated.

Charles arrives at 11:38 point.