'Sick rape fantasy film': Marilyn Monroe biopic ‘Blonde’ slammed for 'disgusting' graphic JFK scene

ALL women at that time had to deal with what we would call rape today.

There’s no evidence JFK raped her tho.

"Raped" by a 30 second man? Sorry, but I don't classify that as RAPE rape.

Oh dear.

[QUOTE]One of the most haunting sequences in a film full of them concerns a rendezvous between Marilyn and President John F. Kennedy in 1962. It begins with Marilyn passed out on sleeping pills aboard a plane, shaken awake by a stewardess upon her arrival in New York, where she’s greeted by a pair of Secret Service agents. Believing she’s being arrested, Marilyn collapses at their feet.

[QUOTE]She’s then dragged by the Secret Service agents through a kitchen, down a hotel corridor, and into a room. “Am I meat to be delivered? Is that what this is, room service?” Marilyn asks.

[QUOTE]After changing into a white dress and fur, a still disoriented Marilyn is escorted to a stately bedroom where JFK is lying on a bed, shirtless and speaking on the phone.

[QUOTE]“Am I glad to see you, baby. It’s been one hell of a day,” the president remarks, prompting Marilyn to ask, “How can I help?”

[QUOTE]JFK then proceeds to place her hand down his pants, commanding her to give him a handjob—all while watching the Friendship 7 rocket launch on television (subtle!). “Baby, don’t be shy, come on,” he repeatedly asserts, demanding she go faster. He then grows frustrated and grabs the back of her head, forcing it down on him. The camera homes in on Marilyn’s horrified face in close-up as she performs oral sex on him for over a minute, with JFK calling her a “dirty slut.” Marilyn then dissociates, and we hear her in voiceover say to herself, “Just don’t puke. Don’t cough. Don’t gag. You have to swallow,” before the president ejaculates into her mouth.

[QUOTE]But JFK isn’t finished. In one frantic motion, he violently places his hand over Marilyn’s mouth, throws her onto the bed, and jumps on top of her. All we can hear is Marilyn shriek as the image cuts to black. The next thing we see is Marilyn waking up in bed bruised and battered, throwing up. Secret Service agents once again drag her out of the room, and to a bathroom. When she pees, it hurts. The implication is that she was raped.

[QUOTE]There is no record of JFK ever sexually assaulting Marilyn Monroe.

That has killed any enthusiasm I had to watch this movie.

I wasn't going to see it anyway. Now I will avoid the reviews as well. Totally exploitative and gross.

The problem is that people are so retarded nowadays that they will believe this is real. How long before the morons of TikTok and Twitter demand that we # cancel Kennedy#

P.s. I'm not a Kennedy fan, can't stand the entire family except for Robert ( senior). But there's no evidence this happened.

Anything based on a book by the demented Joyce Carol Oates is going to be sick.

The saddest three words in the English language: Joyce Carol Oates

Unfortunately, you can't sue for defaming the dead

Does Jackie make an appearance in the film?

Jackie is being played by Timothee Chalamet.

R13 How modern! I hope he pulls off the pillbox hats.

I enjoyed the book some decades ago. At the time it felt fresh and compelling, an interesting way to think about Marilyn Monroe in a sort of quasi bio fictional way. I don’t really recall the rape scenes in the book although there were clear implications she was being controlled and abused. I can’t imagine this translating well to the screen however, and putting audiences through multiple rape scenes including a minutes long scene where she’s graphically raped by JFK is beyond the pale. I’m as tired of seeing women being tortured on screen as I am of gay men and black people being tortured on screen. Do something else. We know Marilyn abused. We all know.

You don’t recall any rape scenes in the book because they weren’t in there, R15.

I watched the 2001 made for television film adaption of Blonde and mostly liked it. While it seemed to revel in Marilyn’s pain at times, I didn’t feel it exploited her. If anything it showed how Marilyn herself was exploited by Hollywood and most of the men in her life. The difference is there was no excessive nudity in it.

Stop trying to make Ana de Armas happen. Even Rita Whora has more of a career.

As with all movies, if you don't like a genre or a subject, don't watch.

It is rated NC-17.

I can’t wait to see if it’s better or worse than the most terrible film ever about Marilyn, “Goodbye, Norma Jean”, starring Misty Rowe from “Hee Haw.”

Ask not what your country can do for you. Just take it bitch!

[quote]I can’t wait to see if it’s better or worse than the most terrible film ever about Marilyn, “Goodbye, Norma Jean”, starring Misty Rowe from “Hee Haw.”

Well, at least it was a real movie and played theaters all over the country and not some made for streaming movie.

I just saw some article talking about how Ana De Armas became a star R18, and I was like “she did?”

Shame on her and the rest of the actors for participating in this garbage. Why didn’t the Kennedys get it shut down during production?

THE worst thing about the lack of originality in Hollywood nowadays is this thing of making shows about real people that includes a mix of documented or widely accepted fact, and fiction pulled straight out of the creator's ass. R8 is right: people can't tell the difference and don't care, and so fantasy becomes gossip becomes "history" on the internet. It's utterly cynical and horribly damaging to people's reputations.

This movie seems like weirdo trauma porn. And the billions of movies on Monroe's life tragedy are so played out.

As if Marilyn didn't give it away freely.

R23 that’s a good looking poster. All it needs is few rows of corn on it.

I can't believe anyone is surprised by the violence of rape scene, the novel on which the film is based is an arduous, masochistic read.

FWIW, I do not believe it was an intentional suicide or a murder. The longtime insomniac was exhausted and just wanted to get some sleep. A few too many pills caused her to die.

So is the JFK rape scene in the novel or did they add it for the movie?

This makes "My Son Hunter" sound like a respectable biopic.

There is nothing to indicate its presence in the novel, R31.

"Demented," R9? Do please elaborate on how Joyce Carol Oates is demented.

Based on their known schedules, there's evidence that Marilyn and JFK probably only fucked a couple of times--it was never the full-blown affair the media made it out to be. It's also quite possible she never banged RFK at all.

This movie sounds like shit.

Who owns the erect cock?

Shut up OP

Yeah, I could give a shit about a rape scene or this movie. Pass. Because I don't give a shit.

I thought it was Sinatra and Sam Giancarlo who brutally raped her at CalNeva resort.

don't gag! swallow!

sexy

And so practical!

Don't know if he raped her but JFK forced a 19 year old intern to suck off both Teddy and Dave Powers in the White House swimming pool. JFK was a total scumbag.

Don’t forget: this is based on a Joyce Carol Oates novel.

Meaning, R43?

[quote]there's evidence that Marilyn and JFK probably only fucked a couple of times.

Only once. In Palm Springs in March of 1962. At Bing Crosby's house where JFK was staying.

R45 were you his Secret Service agent?

[quote]Ana De Armas

Who?

very dumb. why'd they make this up?

What r47 said.

I enjoyed "Knives Out".

I know her character in that film is supposed to be mousy and introverted, but, but the life of me, I couldn't detect even an iota of excitement or charisma to her presence on the screen. I kept thinking, "Is this is the one all of the publicity and reviews are making a fuss about?"

Hell, even Julia Ormond in "Sabrina" had more presence than De Armas, and that's saying something.

R44 The novel is a fanfic that includes a shit ton of stuff that never happened, such as made-up rape scenes. The author herself has said that it should not be taken as a biography because it isn't.

R49 I don't care about De Armas and think she's highly overrated, but I thought she was good in Knives Out. Nothing awards-worthy, just good, which is a lot coming from someone who is mostly remembered for being sexy rather than for her acting. I really don't get critics' infatuation with her! she clearly gets a pass for being hot, and the reviews for 'Blonde' have proved that.

Let's make up rape allegations without a shred of evidence. Feminism, yeah! I feel so disillusioned.

[quote]There’s no evidence JFK raped her tho.

No, but she told one close friend that he never engaged in any foreplay with her, which she complained about.

She was atrocious in Deep Water. She just writhed around with mascara under her eyes. Definitely gets a pass because she is hot.

Marilyn Monroe was a lovely girl with personal problems, always seems to be exploited or abused by most of the men in her life, very tragic... I will Not be watching this Sick and Disgusting movie of fantasy porn. May Marilyn rest in eternal peace...

[QUOTE] No, but she told one close friend that he never engaged in any foreplay with her, which she complained about.

She was a whore. JFK was smart not to eat her cooch.

The scene is in the novel and it's implied that she's also raped by the Secret Service guys.

Marilyn briefly regains consciousness and realizes there is a man on top of her "as if he's driving into hard packed sand."🤢

Once again:

Who owns the erect cock described in the IMDB parental guidance section?

Here is a sentence I thought I'd never utter: I'm honestly embarrassed for Ana De Armas.

Thanks for the heads up, I'm no longer interested in seeing this nonsense.

Now everyone is going to say JFK raped Marilyn Monroe.

I love that all the tiresome woke snowflakes are getting wound up on social media about this movie, and David O Russell's upcoming Amsterdam. Hopefully this will push their anxiety levels to excess, so they start dying like rats with overactivated immune systems.

Magat alert.

No wonder datalounge is primetime all the time.

[quote]The novel is a fanfic that includes a shit ton of stuff that never happened, such as made-up rape scenes. The author herself has said that it should not be taken as a biography because it isn't.

Leave it to Joyce Carol Oates to use actual, sexual rape as an allegory for lesser coercions.

Better to think JFK raped Marilyn than he forced a 19 year old intern to blow Teddy and Dave Powers in the White House swimming pool.

Joyce Carol Oates has inspired me to write my own semi-fictional autobiography, “Me and Kenny G.” It’s about the many times I’ve been ear-raped by the shrill wailing of Kenny G’s caucasian, soft-jazz, soprano sax Musak at the bank, the grocery store, or while on hold with the DMV, etc… EXCEPT: instead of my ears being assaulted, the actual Kenny G will materialize and proceed to violently sodomize my hole multiple times a day with the business end of his saxophone. It’s allegorical.

"Emotionally exhausting."

R67 LOL at her contradicting herself!

[quote]Oates mentions multiple times that [bold]she “didn’t have anything to do with” the making of the film[/bold], though “once in a while, [bold]Andrew would get in contact with” her. By the time she was given an “almost-final cut,”[/bold] she says, “I had to stop watching about midway through. The film is emotionally exhausting.”

[quote] Asked about the film’s controversial NC-17 rating, the writer didn’t “have any particular feelings,” but claims, “The real things that happened to Marilyn Monroe are much worse than anything in the movie.”

Oh, yeah, because you were there witnessing it, right? You wrote a fanfic based on stuff you pulled out of your ass, for fucks' sake!

FFS people....its not a documentary

I’m waiting for the Quentin Tarantino version of Marilyn’s life, in which SHE rapes and then kills JFK.

r39 is correct, it was Giancana, with assistance from Sinatra, who likely performed a gang rape on Monroe at Lake Tahoe in 1963. Depicting that trauma might have lent to more accuracy and less outrage, since there is some evidence for it. But JFK? A selfish sex-addled narc he was, but there's no evidence that he ever raped or forced himself on anyone, and that's through 100s of known encounters with as many women. None of them have detailed any kind of force or non-consent, so in a sense the rape scene is unfair.

Andrew Dominik has no respect for Marilyn or her work

The machine behind this movie has been very determinedly de-emphasizing that it is based on a novel. It’s pretty gross considering the script. It’s a flop, and not even a camp fun flop, just a dirty-minded, cynical flop. Bye.

How do you know its a flop ? IT HASNT EVEN BEEN RELEASED YET.

How bad is the accent?

Strange people with strange fixations.

Stop worshiping this bitch. She was a drug-addicted whore.

Well I heard Frank Sinatra started the rumor JFK raped Marilyn because JFK wouldn’t stay at Sinatra’s house

[quote]it was Giancana, with assistance from Sinatra, who likely performed a gang rape on Monroe at Lake Tahoe in 1963.

Considering she'd been dead for at least a few months by then, just, ew.

R72 To be fair, with the exception of her hard-core fans, nobody really watches Monroe's movies nowadays. Most people can't name the title of a single one of her films or the name of at least one of her characters without checking on Google. She's remembered for being a sex symbol who died young 60 years ago, not for her amazing acting skills or how great her movies were. Dominik is a piece of shit who only cares about money and doing stuff for shock value, but he didn't lie when he said that.

Keep in mind that this production is based on a work of FICTION. "Blonde" was fiction, a figment of Joyce Carol Oates' imagination.

JFK had a rendezvous with MM at a house owned by Bing Crosby. He may have had another meeting with her. But that was all. They did NOT have an affair, just a one night stand or two. At any rate, there's never been any evidence that MM was "raped" by JFK.

There was never any credible evidence that MM had an affair with Bobby Kennedy. Just rumors and gossip and testimony from not very credible sources.

R80 If Marilyn lived until old age like Liz Taylor, she wouldn’t be as worshipped as she is today.

[quote]Keep in mind that this production is based on a work of FICTION. "Blonde" was fiction, a figment of Joyce Carol Oates' imagination.

Mixed with many facts of Los Angeles/Hollywood history and Norma Jeane/Marilyn's life.

New clip of Ana as Marilyn

[quote] Keep in mind that this production is based on a work of FICTION.

Interesting. How about I produce a film in which you are depicted raping a child, then post a disclaimer that “this production is fictional?”

[quote] If Marilyn lived until old age like Liz Taylor, she wouldn’t be as worshipped as she is today.

It's difficult to imagine MM becoming old. She seemed destined to die young. And she had a horror of aging. I think she would have killed herself rather than grow old.

Orry-Kelly weeps, r84.

I remember reading the Joyce Carol Oates book years ago when I went through a phase of obssessing about Marilyn. I remember it being SO depressing, and the reason it a ffected me is because while it was fiction alized it was very believable. She did her research. I will see the movie. But I'm gonna wait.

Who’s gonna stay up to watch the movie?

no films for magats

R84 = Her accent is sooo bad. Why is she getting a pass for not getting it right? As an actor its your JOB.

Lol that clip. De Armas is going BIG I see.

The Arthur Miller segment was the only part of the movie I enjoyed.

When Marilyn had a miscarriage, and then divorced Arthur Miller she was extremely depressed. She thought Sinatra was a friend who would console and look out for her. Instead, he invited her to Tahoe to Cal-Neva Lodge, and he and Giancana did rape her. shortly after that rape, she attempted suicide. This really happened. Just not in 1963.

I've just watched it and what a trainwreck of a movie! Marilyn is portrayed as a perpetual victim who spends 24/7 either crying, making crying faces or getting abused. Her life is nothing but tragedy, tragedy, tragedy and even more tragedy! Ana's accent didn't bother me, it didn't sound Cuban as the first impressions from last year's test screenings said, but Andrew Dominik said earlier this year that there was some work done in post-production to make her sound American, which made people speculate she was dubbed by a native English speaker. Her acting was meh, especially in the crying scenes. The fetus scenes were bizarre, especially when they used footage of a fully-formed baby when Marilyn was only in her first trimester. Besides the rape, the movie also suggests that she got pregnant by JFK and that he sent his men to kidnap Marilyn and sent her to some clinic to perform a forced abortion on her shortly before her death. There's a scene where she gets a phone call from Edward G. Robinson telling her that Charles Chaplin Jr. has died, when in fact he died 6 years after Marilyn. It also claims that she had a three-way relationship with them and that the two guys were likely bisexual, another thing that there is no evidence of. The novel suggests that Kennedy's men killed her, but the movie doesn't go that far, Dominik probably thought that the made-up rape and forced abortion were enough slander. I can't believe that Ana de Armas had the nerve to call this mess "the most feminist take on Marilyn" that she's even seen... Does she even know what "feminist" means?

This is not getting an Oscar nomination! The score at Rotten Tomatoes keeps going down. I predict it's gonna be at 40% soon, right now it's 51%.

I haven't read much Joyce Carol Oates, but the book was pretty stupid I thought. All the symbolism was so obvious and reliant on shock value.

The interview someone posted upthread where Dominik says nobody really watches her movies or cares about them makes him come across horribly. He sounds like he had no respect for his subject, for the time period, and nor did he ever want to tell a complex or honest story about her. I hope the poor reception of this movie puts the Marilyn biopics to rest for a little while.

R95 did they use the ally Mcbeal dancing baby?

When you juxtapose the raw sexuality of Marilyn which was exploited constantly in the 50's and early 60's, with out produsih fake morality of the times, and the way women were treated, it says so much about us as a society. All of it bad.

prudish, fake morality...

magat film.

JFK had a fling with MM, his brother Bobby did too.

No rape. No pregnancies . No abortion. No relationship.

Just watched it on Netflix . She's topless in half of the scenes.

I just watched this...it is nowhere near the trainwreck some of these posters are claiming. You cant take your eyes off the screen. Will it sweep the Oscars ? Probably not, but as of now, Ana is the frontrunner for Best Actress. Anyone who says her portrayal is off knows nothing about MM except still photos. Ive seen quite a few MM biopics...nobody comes close to this. Astounding. She embodies MM...and people have won Oscars for far less impressive portrayals.

[quote]Instead, he invited her to Tahoe to Cal-Neva Lodge, and he and Giancana did rape her. This really happened.

Um, no it didn't.

Seriously? Am I the only one who thinks Some Like it Hot is the funniest movie ever made? I love it!

[quote]Seriously? Am I the only one who thinks Some Like it Hot is the funniest movie ever made? I love it!

Nobody's perfect.

Some Like it Hot, funniest movie ever made. The last line is blow out funny.

White Chicks is a bad remake/ rip off of Some Like it Hot.

R102 = Andrew Dominik.

[quote]Ana is the frontrunner for Best Actress.

Only in the fictional biopic of her life that someone will make in about 100 years or so where they create an alternate reality where this is possible. In the real world this movie is getting trashed by critics, Monroe's fans and even regular movie-goers. I predict that in about 10 years or even less, Ana is gonna say that making this movie was a mistake and that she deeply regrets it. She'll probably say that she was exploited by Andrew Dominik as well. Actors tend to be more honest about their failures after the promotion/Oscar campaign period is over.

Ana is incredible in it. She should at the very least be nominated for Best Actress, if not win. She throws herself into the part completely. The film is harrowing and challenging. Most audiences want to be spoon fed pleasantries. This is an art film, none of it is portrayed as particularly realistic. It is much more of a point of view psychological breakdown of Marylin than anything resembling reality. In that respect it succeeds magnificently. Prudes and rubes will be outraged and insulted. This is a film for adults. It has amazing beauty and ugliness. The recreations of Marylin's films and publicity photos is uncanny, but you'll never look at them the same way again. It is unrelentingly dark and difficult, but that's the nature of the material. I guess I shouldn't be surprised so many here simply "refuse to watch it". Good for you. Stay in your safe space. Go watch something else.

This subject, Marilyn Monroe's stardom, interests me but I'm not interested in a detour into maga rape fantasy land.

Fuckin weirdos.

r109....dont fall for the bullshit posted by people online. The movie isnt the most gripping, but damn, she nails it...and its not a rape fantasy...and all the talk of fetuses is pure bs...yes, she talks to it because shes grieving losing her baby...but its about 1 min long and happens only a few times throughout the film.

r107 is full of shit. The only people trashing it are the special protected delicate flowers that havent seen it and are relying on the opinions of other special protected protected delicate flowers.

SEE THIS MOVIE

[quote]Marylin

Oh, dear.

President Kennedy grew up as a wealthy, handsome kid who could have any woman he wanted and did. He was a promiscuous type, not a rapist.

Maga is confused when women willingly have sex with men without a payment exchanged, this is outside of their life experiences.

People seem to forget...the younger critical ones at least...that this takes place 15 years BEFORE Womens Liberation. They were still supposed to be seen and not heard, in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant...and they were treated as such. Most of the younger generations today would not have survived back then. Theyre far too precious.

According to Gore Vidals memoir, which is a warts and all kind of read, President Kennedy was on a one girl a day diet.

His promiscuity was not perceived as abnormal or immoral.

Vidal was on a one man a day diet and didn't think this outlook is strange.

It's not fucking rape, it's whoring.

What is the matter with you people.

R114, no one in this thread seems particularly perturbed at the thought that JFK fucked a lot. They don’t like his being presented as a brute rapist, even in a fictionalized story, especially opposite a woman whom he slept with in real life.

Thats because they havent seen it. He treats her as a disposable piece of meat. Any "rape" is implied because it blacks out at that point.

That is my point r114.??.. Why did the filmmakers concoct a rape fantasy identifying President Kennedy as a rapist?

Maga does not understand why women have sex with men.

The same reason MAGA are incensed with Mr. Potato Head and Dr. Suess

Even after maga pays, women still won't have sex with them.

The film is totally hypocritical and exploits Marilyn no differently than the men depicted in this movie did.

Any of the interviews with the director are pretty disgusting and sexist. He looks at Marilyn as an object. Like a doll to pull apart.

And there’s absolutely a demand for Marilyn’s movies. That’s why they’re unavailable on streaming services because people still buy / rent them. That’s how Star Wars was until they were bought by Disney.

Marilyn was undoubtably abused by many people, sadly beginning with her mentally ill mother. "Blonde" shows it not so much as it may have happened, more of as Marilyn perceived it happening. It's depicted as a nightmare with very little resembling reality. Even the "normal" scenes aren't normal. It's an internal tone poem of her downfall. At 2 hours and 45 minutes it's impossible to show every aspect of her life. Her first husband isn't even mentioned, nor her discovery by a war time photographer that launched her modeling career. Also left out is her rumored, pre-fame, cosmetic surgery (mild nose job, supposed chin implant). These would seem prime subjects for exploration, but in her mind, these may have been nearly irrelevant. Her rise to fame is mostly covered with Harvey Weinstein like horrors. Giving the film a guilt/shame spiral that many abused people experience. If a shred of it is true it makes me admire both Ana de Armas's brave performance and the real Marilin Monroe even more. Isn't that the purpose of art. To change perception. It was a different world back then. She came from nothing. Men ruled everything. Even with her successes it was a constant uphill battle with the system and with herself.

This film isn't really about Marilyn Monroe is it?.it IS a fantasy and a strange one at that.

Watch and decide for yourself. It's not for anyone to tell you what to think.

r123....All I will say is that as a Monroe fan, and someone who has been following the pr and social media about it, I had negative preconceived notions. I still wanted sto see it because the resemblance was uncanny, but i didnt expect much. I like this movie...A LOT. You have to keep an open mind and watch it for what it is. What r122 said nails it. And Ana De Armas WILL recieve some recognition come the Academy Awards...and she very well could win.

The NY Times review basically asserts that Dominik, by use of film, perpetrates yet another sexual battery on Monroe.

OH FFS

The title itself, BLONDE, seems meant to be demeaning. In many ways it brilliantly parallels Monroe's turmoil. She was merely another blonde. The title doesn't even give her the dignity of her own name. And what was her name? Norma Jeane Baker. A point the film makes over and over. Her depersonalization. Her other persona was Marilyn. In real life she often referred to her false persona as "her". It implies a split and a doubling, like her state of mind. And "Norma" tragically invokes "normal". Nearly in the same way the name Norman Bates in "Psycho" cleverly implies normalcy, and an implied psychological split. The film purposefully shows her being treated like an object. The still photos, the famous huge marquee display of her skirt blowing up from "The Seven Year Itch" that enraged then husband DiMaggio. One of several themes. A very appropriate book and film title.

R110/R125 LOL at Ana de Armas having a delusional stan on DL of all places!

[quote]The only people trashing it are the special protected delicate flowers that havent seen it and are relying on the opinions of other special protected protected delicate flowers.

People have seen it and are trashing this pile of shit since it premiered at Venice, you fucking idiot! There are hundreds of professional reviews out there. This movie is available for anyone with a Netflix subscription and also through illegal download. You're not the only chosen one who has watched this shitfest. You're just mad because no one here besides you is treating this garbage as the masterpiece you believe it is. Only in your dreams de Armas will get anywhere near the Oscars for a movie that has been panned by critics (Oscar nominations are based on critical acclaim, in case you haven't noticed it yet!) and that shows a beloved dead president as a rapist with no evidence. You have no idea of what you're talking about!

I gave up 20 minutes in. It's shot like a perverse perfume commercial. Atmospheric and devoid of real emotions. She's again reduced to an empty vessel. And the award for best "trauma porn" goes to...

You're admitting you've only seen 20 minutes. What makes your view of this film relevant?

The comments that the film’s director Andrew Dominik made to the film reporter Christina Newland about the real Marilyn Monroe (as posted upthread) were really disturbing.

He seemed to have absolutely zero respect for her or any of the films she appeared in (several of which are *universally* regarded as classic films), and—even worse than that—he seemed to actually have *contempt* for Monroe herself.

It was kind of bizarre; I have no idea why someone with that attitude would want to make a movie about someone he apparently hates.

I was thinking of watching this film because of all of the hype, etc., but the director’s crude and cold comments put me off so much.

[quote]the famous huge marquee display of her skirt blowing up from "The Seven Year Itch" that enraged then husband DiMaggio.

DiMaggio was upset over the filming of the grate scene which was entirely for publicity. Supposedly, the two pairs of panties Monroe wore didn't hide her pubes.

Magats do not have or use logic to make life choices.

The contempt the film maker has for the subject can be determined by the little rape fantasy he inserted.

[quote]I have no idea why someone with that attitude would want to make a movie about someone he apparently hates.

He did it for the money, hopes of getting an Oscar and because his buddy Brad Pitt is the producer. The same Brad Pitt who is now pretending to be a hero and feminist by producing movies like this one and 'She Said', the film about the Weinstein scandal, even though he knew that two of his girlfriends had been sexually harassed by Weinstein but kept working for him anyway and even praised him publicly.

You seem to know so much, what are your sources? Or are you just pulling shit out of your ass?

R122, interesting post. Did you see Spencer from last year? It billed itself as a fable. Your description of Blonde makes me think they may have a broadly similar approach.

I did see Spencer R137 and thought many of the same things. Neither are to be taken at face value, although I will say Spencer was almost unintentionally funny (in parts) because it was so bizarre. Blonde is never funny, unintentional or otherwise. It's pretty grim. But the talent involved, and the surreal photography are consistently outstanding and compelling. You are correct, though, they have several similarities. Both are a fresh, original takes on subjects that many have gone over before. Worth seeing for the experience alone. Not many films take chances like this.

[quote]The initial scenes were shot in the same apartment where Marilyn, then called Norma Jeane Baker, had lived with her mentally ill mother. [bold]The death scene was also shot in the same room where the famed actress had died.[/bold] "It definitely took on elements of being like a seance," said Dominik, who spent more than a decade trying to bring the book of the same name by Joyce Carol Oates to the screen.

This is beyond sick!

Is the frau still melting down? Maybe you should do us all a favor and take a handful of pills and fall asleep in Marilyn's actual bedroom.

Filmaker is a hack.

Poor frau. Nothing to contribute but ignorance.

The story at r139 is very odd. De Armas is a fucking idiot, ambitious beyond conscience, or both. No one without a serious flaw or four would have participated in a necrophilic production like this one.

A frau, such as yourself r142 believes intercourse without foreplay is "literal rape".

I'm 20 mins in and I already want to slit my wrist watching this trauma porn.

I'm gonna try to finish it though.

[quote]Orry-Kelly weeps, [R84].

Yes, but Marilyn had the necessary voluptuous-ness, movements and juicyness to wear those dresses.

[quote]Seriously? Am I the only one who thinks Some Like it Hot is the funniest movie ever made? I love it!

It's one of those movies I can watch again and again from time to time and I will always laugh and will not get tired of the story and the brilliant acting by Marilyn and Jack Lemmon! The story and script are just absolutely brilliant. Probably one of the best comedies ever!

Are they kidding?! Marilyn herself wisecracked that she "helped his [JFK's] back." The dialogue here is risible.

MM may have been raped by other men, but I don't credit for a second that she was by JFK. Not the dame who got herself sewn into that "Happy Birthday" dress.

R125, No Academy Award will go to this NC-17 movie. Zero.

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R143 Both Ana and the director don't even realize how disturbing it is to say those things while promoting a movie they want to be taken seriously. The "Marilyn's ghost was haunting us on set" sounded like a tasteless joke. Oh, and they also visited her grave and asked for her permission to make this movie, because why not? how could Marilyn turn down such a great offer?

Tf are you on about, r112? Do you think Joyce Carol Oates is a Trumpite?

R113, 1962 wasn't 1952. Get real.

I don't, r152; but I do think (know) she wrote fiction.

R152, see r62.

r153. Bullshit

Norma Jean married young to get out of the foster child care system.

Children are neglected and abused inside the foster care system, Norma Jean had the same terrible experiences.

[quote]Norma Jean had the same terrible experiences.

Actually, Norma Jeane lived with Grace Goddard, the best friend of her mother Gladys for a number of years before she married James Dougherty. And all of the foster families NJ lived with were either relatives of Gladys or extended family and friends of Goddard. Except for the two years NJ was in the LA Orphanage where Goddard regularly visited NJ, taking her on outings and buying her small gifts. Marilyn later made up some of her childhood memories to hide Goddard and others from being hounded by the press once she became famous.

[quote]The initial scenes were shot in the same apartment where Marilyn, then called Norma Jeane Baker, had lived with her mentally ill mother. The death scene was also shot in the same room where the famed actress had died.

The first is impossible as none of the residences that NJ lived with Gladys still stand and the last is improbable as the room where Marilyn died has been extensively renovated and enlarged, looking nothing like it did in 1962.

r159...dont confuse them with facts and details.

[quote]Actually, Norma Jeane lived with Grace Goddard, the best friend of her mother Gladys for a number of years before she married James Dougherty. And all of the foster families NJ lived with were either relatives of Gladys or extended family and friends of Goddard. Except for the two years NJ was in the LA Orphanage where Goddard regularly visited NJ, taking her on outings and buying her small gifts. Marilyn later made up some of her childhood memories to hide Goddard and others from being hounded by the press once she became famous.

Marilyn, bless her heart, also exaggerated the orphanage into a Dickensian hellhole when it was actually a well-respected and well-regulated foster care facility.

[Quote] I enjoyed the book some decades ago. I can’t imagine this translating well to the screen however

It did not, in fact, translate well. I was quite disturbed by all of it. Too many scenes to list. The fetus ones being at the top of that list.

Please r162...if you add up all the "fetus" scenes, it totals about 5 minutes. The rest of it ? Its fiction. This is not a documentary, it is not a bio pic. If youre so delicate it disturbs you, then how do you function in the real world ?

r129...really ? It recieved a 15 minute standing ovation in Venice. Do better with your trolling. I feel sorry for you that youre so delicate that you cant handle an adult movie with mature themes. Dont worry though...Hocus Pocus 2 comes out tomorrow !

Brad Pitt is listed as one of the producers. Is that supposed to be surprising or not? Nothing about this steaming pile of garbage movie makes sense.

So basically the director and writer are following the "ryan murphy" style....

make up stuff, get actual facts wrong, and throw in whatever to make "drama"...

Of course, the desperate trolls haven't seen it. Yet continue to troll out their asses.

Never seeing this after reading the descriptions of the film and the excerpt of an interview the film maker gave to discuss this project.

Never.

We're so happy for you and your brave choice to stick your head in the sand.

Never.

Not a nickel to support your rancid projects.

Ever.

We get it Frau. The Hallmark Channel is waiting for you.

Still not seeing it, bitch.

Ever.

What the fuck, are you OCD? Do you just troll because that's what you are? Sad.

Very sad. And a total troll.

Still not seeing it, bitch.

Ever.

I’m interested in seeing it but I’m always upset when an historically based film significantly bends the truth (unless an out and out satire, a La Tarantino). It’s so unnecessary and even harmful. Sometimes when the film is so bad (Pearl Harbor), it doesn’t matter. Some of Oliver Stones films are outrageous- conspiracy fodder at best.

I'm quite resilient r163, thanks for your (hyperbolic) concern.

I found this film to be distasteful and gross, ergo [Bold]disturbing[/Bold]. Despite that, I'm sure I'll somehow be able to summon the strength to go on.

Any comment from Caroline?

I watched this yesterday. I was high out of my mind , and it was by FAR the strangest movie I have EVER seen. So weird and creepy. Is it a type of esoteric existential message? Is it about life and death? The “daddy issues” that frame the movie are beyond disturbing. Her death scene… , the sound design, the cinematography. Creepy as fck. Especially high out of your gourd. I will say it was a movie watching experience for sure.. the message it is trying to say gets under your skin. Weird , weird, weird, weird movie

R160

It was really hackish. I liked the Nick Cave score. Ana De Armas has two facial expressions and Andrew Dominik somehow believes he is the second coming of David Lynch despite not at all getting why David Lynch movies are good.

R161 Monroe had it rough growing up compared to many but so did a large number of old hollywood beauties ( and of course a lot of non famous people of that era). These days they almost all come from bougie or solidly middle class suburban stock. Monroe always gets singled out as having a uniquely tragic childhood but really a lot of performers of that era came up from rough beginnings.

[quote]It recieved a 15 minute standing ovation in Venice. Do better with your trolling. I feel sorry for you that youre so delicate that you cant handle an adult movie with mature themes.

Did you start watching movies yesterday, R164? Judging by your grammar, I guess that you haven't even finished elementary school! Standing ovations at film festivals in the presence of the cast and crew mean absolutely NOTHING! People do it just to be polite in front of famous folks or because they were paid to do so. Films that get trashed by critics always get standing ovations during their gala premiere at festivals. Nothing is gonna change the fact that this movie is getting slammed. You're clearly living in an alternate reality where your idol Ana is gonna win an Oscar for this pile of shit. Poor fangirl!

I’d argue the majority of old Hollywood performers did not have very bourgeois origins. Acting in sideshows, revues or vaudeville was a relatively easy way to make money if you had talent, as modeling and film extra work for the studios if you had the looks. A lot of parents would push their kids into these areas to support the family (Garland, Astaire, etc.) These days, all of the live entertainment avenues where talent was plucked from have disappeared and it’s not at all affordable to pursue an acting career, so that’s why there aren’t many stars from working or even middle class origins. People trash on Jeremy Strong, but the level of commitment and intensity he has about acting is what one needs to posses if you want a career in show business and you’re not well off.

Of the AFI 100, Cary Grant, Greta Garbo, Marilyn Monroe, Clark Gable, James Cagney, Charlie Chaplin, Barbara Stanwyck, Joan Crawford, Burt Lancaster, Sophia Loren, Robert Mitchum, and Ava Gardner were from outright abject poverty. Most were just plain middle class, kids of shop owners or salesmen. Many of the more well off stars like Bette Davis and would also have been considered class outliers by today’s standards as they were comfortably middle class but not particularly wealthy. Very, very few big names came from outright affluent families because acting was seen as a low class profession - Grace Kelly’s high society father was mad when she decided to pursue it seriously, and called it one step above prostitution.

R181 Monroe's fans have this annoying habit of thinking she was the world's biggest victim and don't accept anything that goes against her victim narrative.

Lots of typos in my post. I hate this iPhone. But the point remains that MM’s rags to riches narrative was actually extremely common among the Hollywood set, there was a fascinatingly diverse group of class origins in Old Hollywood. It’s strange when people make it out to be unique for her.

The dumb blonde, the hooker with a heart of gold is an ancient trope. It didn't originate with MM and it didn't die with her.

But MM had that magic singular to her that can't be reproduced elsewhere.

Her name and image is worth a billion dollars. Today. The ongoing interest in MM is why the filmmaker was able to make a bad film about the woman six decades after her death.

The filmmaker admitted he doesn't understand the source material when he asked his interviewer who watches MM films and dismissed her role in Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, as a well dressed whore.

Madonna below, at the zenith of her fame, successfully replicated a Marilyn Moment from a film about " well dressed whores".

R180 " Ana De Armas has two facial expressions "

One more then moi.

R166 Pitt would have made a more convincing Marilyn.

I tried to watch this movie but it is terrible and her acting is awful. Not to mention boring. I gave up after an hour.

I don't understand the hate for this film. It does not have a "violent rape scene" with JFK unless I was watching a different film. Yes, he pushed her head down to his dick to suck him off, but who hasn't had that happen to them in the heat of the moment? Frau central here.

Orry Kelly had no liking for Monroe. He was quoted as saying "I would rather go to Coney Island and open up a hot dog stand than dress that woman again!" During the filming os "Some Like It Hot" she was a terror to work with.

The film is terrible, but you're right r190. It's not a rape scene.

It's the best film I've seen in years. I'm glad it upsets old conservative fraus N' assholes.

R156, 1962 was a watershed year.

But be that as it may, what I take issue with is the connotation of "barefoot and in the kitchen." Yes, the majority of Middle-Class married women probably were housewives, but more so in the mold of those portrayed by Donna Reed, Harriet Nelson, and June Billingsley---women married to men whose single income post-WW II could actually support a nuclear family (IOW, they were the parents of Baby Boomers). But wives weren't regarded as chattel or brood mares.

At least, not in my small-town America experience.

Ana's performance is better than KS in Spencer.

Still not seeing this trash, bitch.

I fell asleep and then woke up to shut off all the moaning and screaming. The actress was always brimming with bug eyed tears and trembling lower lip from what I saw. Will watch the weather channel tonight instead.

[quote]People trash on Jeremy Strong, but the level of commitment and intensity he has about acting is what one needs to posses if you want a career in show business and you’re not well off.

Huh? Strong grew up in solidly upper-middle class Sudbury and graduated from the solidly semi-posh Lincoln-Sudbury HS. Chris Evans was a schoolmate (three years behind him there).

R131 "The look is almost unceasingly self-conscious and impressive, and the movie often has the feel of a perfume ad. The hair-styling, costumes, set decoration, and production design are superb. Cinematographer Chayse Irvin’s visual style covers the waterfront—hyper-realistic and intimate, then arch and dramatically theatrical. If many of the scenes seem somewhat familiar, it’s because they are based on famous photographs of Monroe. The light feels familiar; her outfits, too. Blonde is most alluring as it tries to recreate the Marilyn mystique through the power of images. The scenes with dialogue are so flat, so ham-handed, that it’s a relief when we can just look." R139

Why the NC-17?

R200 the movie shows a hard penis for a few seconds. That's often enough to get an NC-17 rating.

[QUOTE] Ana's performance is better than KS in Spencer.

Kevin Spacey was in Spencer?

I just watched it. The only good thing is the astonishing physical likeness of Marilyn. The actress really looked like her, especially in the eyes. Other than that, it was very dark and depressing....and exploitative. Don't watch if you're in a depressed or crappy mood. Some of the scenes I looked away, like the JFK scene.

I watched it. I enjoyed it for what it was...its not a documentary. The recreations of photos and film segments were extraordinary and uncanny. I recommend it if you can keep it in perspective.

Why would you watch this filth?

I'll probably watch this film sometime. It looks very entertaining. People shouldn't take it so seriously.

Does this film touch on MM's relationship with Johnny Hyde? Although given short shrift in any biography of MM you might read (maybe because the relationship was relatively brief) he was one of the most important men in her life. He was in his fifties when they met; she was in her early twenties. He was a powerful William Morris Agency agent; she was a struggling starlet. He fell madly in love with her and she became his lover. He was her type,. an older man Daddy figure. But he was also only five feet tall and sickly in appearance due to a heart condition. So she loved him but was not "in love" with him. He begged her to marry him, but she thought it would be dishonest to marry someone you weren't really in love with. The remaining months of his life he dedicated only to her, getting her attention getting roles in "The Asphalt Jungle" and "All About Eve." Although he was sleeping with other men during her time with him she supposedly made a spectacle of herself at his funeral, screaming his name over and over. At least that's what some sources say; there was one biography that said she was completely composed and dignified at his funeral. Anyway, was Johnny Hyde featured at all in the movie? I've never heard anywhere that he was.

Was Natasha Lytess in this movie? She was MM's acting coach for several years. She too was in love with Marilyn. It was an intense relationship and may at times have been sexual, but no one knows for sure if that happened. If it did it was probably the only lesbian experience MM ever had; she was NOT into women, although some people have tried to make her out to be into lesbo sex.

Were these two people who played significant roles in her life included in this movie at all/ All I've heard is that is features Joe DiMaggio, Arthur Miller and has her in a throuple with the sons of Charlie Chaplin and Edward G. Robinson. And of course JFK. And various movie moguls and the like.

It's interesting how the talk about this movie has died down even with all the controversy surrounding it. It dropped off of Netflix's top 10 after only 8 days. Even the views on the film's Wikipedia page dropped drastically since the first week of its release. People just lost interest in this movie quiet fast despite all the marketing.

[quote]The recreations of photos and film segments were extraordinary and uncanny.

It was disturbing when they recreated the police photo of Marilyn dead in her bed just to make her wake up from a nightmare covered in blood. As if that wasn't creepy enough, they made sure to film that scene (and the last one where she actually dies) in the actual bedroom where Marilyn died.

I'll believe the lake Tahoe incident before I believe jfk assaulted Monroe. Frank Sinatra was a documented woman abuser and Giancana was a violent animal who died as violently as he lived.

R198 Strong was born in Boston on Christmas Day in 1978 to Maureen and David Strong. His mother worked as a hospice nurse, and his father worked in juvenile jails.[5] He lived in a "rough neighborhood" in Jamaica Plain, a place he often regarded as "somewhere I just wanted to get out of." His family was working class. Since his parents could not afford to go on vacations outside the Boston area, they put a canoe on cinder blocks in the family's backyard; Strong and his brothers would often sit in it and pretend to take trips.[5] His father's family is Jewish.[6]

When Strong was 10, his parents moved the family to the suburb of Sudbury,[7] for better schools. Strong recalled Sudbury as "a kind of country-club town where we didn't belong to the country club." His interest in acting began there, as he became involved with a children's theater group and performing in musicals.[5]

JFK didn't rape Monroe but he probably wasn't very romantic with her. He was a terrible lover; he'd grab a woman, yank down her panties, shove it in, pump, squirt and that would be the extent of his lovemaking. He was a lousy lay. What it known about JFK and Monroe is that they had a sexual encounter, possibly two, at Bing Crosby's house. And that was IT. There was no affair between them. For Kennedy it was just another fuck out of a thousand fucks he'd had, albeit one with the premiere sex symbol Marilyn Monroe. She was probably chuffed to have been fucked by the President of the United States, but no doubt the excitement wore off quickly. They both knew the score. Despite all the gossip and conspiracy theories JFK and MM did not have anything approaching a relationship. And there no hard evidence that she had one with Bobby Kennedy, either. Her association with the Kennedys has been blown incredibly out of proportion.

But r211...thats how myths are made.

R211.. well said..

Marilyn had the best smile I've ever seen in my long life. Brad Pitt himself has that same sort of charismatic smile. You can do better Brad so do better, starting now.

Marilyn will go down in history as having the greatest smile of any celebrity....

in the modern age, the only two I can think of that have the same (if not as great of a impact) notoriety for their smile is tom cruise and julia roberts....

Hmmm...for the posters who insisted Ana de Armas wouldnt be honored with any nominations...she was just nominated for a Golden Globe and WILL be nominated for an Oscar.

Is John Leguizamo upset they had a Latina playing a white woman?

[QUOTE] Hmmm...for the posters who insisted Ana de Armas wouldnt be honored with any nominations...she was just nominated for a Golden Globe and WILL be nominated for an Oscar.

Fuck Hollywood for valorizing this tawdry character assassination of a great President.

Nobody assassinated the character of JFK. He was a sleazybag pussyhound and everybody knows that by now.

He was a pussyhound, but he wasn’t a rapist. So fuck you too, R219.

R220 And there's no record of him ever forcing an abortion on anyone either. Even Marilyn's gynecologist said she never had an abortion. This movie was a bunch of conspiracy-theory garbage. Without the Netflix lobby (aka tons of money wasted on FYC ads/buying voters), it would never get that UNDESERVED Oscar nom.

I would have seen it had it featured Marilyn having a 'disgusting' graphic Paula Strasberg scene.

R221....fuck you. It is well known MM had multiple abortions, leading to multiple miscarriages, resulting in her inability to have kids.

[quote] He was a pussyhound, but he wasn’t a rapist. So fuck you too

How would YOU know he wasn't a rapist? He treated women like shit; he had no respect for women at all. He thought he could get away with anything. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if he'd raped a few women. Now fuck off, you insipid JFK worshiper. You're too much in love with him to be objective.

[QUOTE]fuck you. It is well known MM had multiple abortions, leading to multiple miscarriages, resulting in her inability to have kids.

Wrong, R223.

If you hear something about Marilyn Monroe there is always somebody who will refute it. If it's something negative Marilyn fans will always say it's not true. One biography I read said she had multiple abortions. Another one said she never had one. I tend to believe the former. She wasn't barren; she was capable of becoming pregnant. I can't picture Marilyn Monroe adhering to any birth control method, not that there were that many birth control methods around anyway. She did have gynecological problems; supposedly she had excruciating pain during her menstrual periods. She had miscarriages because of her internal problems ( endometriosis, possibly) and she sure didn't help things by drinking and doing drugs while pregnant. It's a mercy that she never had a baby/ Can anyone imagine Marilyn Monroe as a mother? She couldn't take care of herself, much less a baby.

I watched it JFK scene powerful. The trouble is, for decades we glorified him as a womanizer. It was an accepted fact that he screwed around and that he fucked MArilyn Monroe. He fucked a Mafia Capo's girlfriend. He fucked secretaries in the WH. He was very promiscuous. Hot young President. All that power and a glamorous wife, too? And what this movie did was demystify him. Ripped away the curtain so we could see the not so glamorous side of it. And his macho Secret Service guys, were disgusting. The Establishment hates to see anything so sordid that besmirches the dead guy's image. I though Blonde was terribly sad.

R227 here. What I meant to say, was that I thought that scene was very authentic. Very believable. Not a fantasy at all.

I heard rumors to the effect that the Kennedys would grab women, shove them into a room (or a closet) and pull down their panties and stick it in. Smooth!

[quote]I thought that scene was very authentic. Very believable. Not a fantasy at all.

That scene was made up bullshit for shock value to portray Marilyn as a helpless victim. If you believed that, I bet you also believe in every shit you read on the internet without fact checking.

I don't think JFK had to force Marilyn Monroe to have sex with him. I think she was chuffed beyond measure to be the sperm receptacle of the President of the United States. Never mind that she was one of out of hundreds of women that he'd screwed; it must have made her feel really special.

R226 Abortion and miscarriage are two completely different things. There are fanfics written by opportunists such as Joyce Carol Oates who claim she had multiple abortions and even that she gave a baby up for adoption, which comes from rumors made up by the same kind of tin-foil hatters who believe Marilyn was killed by the Kennedys (which is exactly what Oates did in her book, which is not even a biography, just her sick fantasy about Marilyn's life). Her doctor said she never had any abortion, and he wasn't under any kind of contract after her death when he said that. What is well-documented is that she had fertility issues and suffered two miscarriages. And I say this as someone who couldn't care less about Marilyn and find her overrated as hell, and I couldn't care less about Kennedy either, but this movie was a bizarre anti-abortion propaganda disguised as a faithful biopic of Marilyn's life which portrayed her a helpless victim whose life was nothing but tragedy. It would be hard for people to relate to Marilyn if she was portrayed as a whore who casting couched her way to the top and fucked several married men by her own choice and liked to flirt with them in front of their wives, right? It's a lot easier to relate to and feel sorry for the poor victim who was raped by everyone and forced to have abortions.

[quote] Her doctor said she never had any abortion, and he wasn't under any kind of contract after her death when he said that.

"Her doctor?" So Marilyn Monroe had ONE doctor in her entire life? I don't believe that for a second. In Donald Spoto's worshipful, ass kissing bio of Monroe, he quotes some doctor that he calls "her gynecologist" as saying "she never even had one" abortion. Spoto also says that Monroe was NOT promiscuous, NOT a drug addict and she was unfairly criticized for being unprofessional. You can believe that too, if you want to. But I don't.

When I was in high school back in the early 70's I knew girls like Marilyn who were objectified and exploited because of their physical appearance. It started when they were 12-13 for some of them who began to develop earlier than others. They were treated badly and you could tell they were embarrassed and confused but at some point they thought this is what was expected of them, to allow the pawing. Sexual abuse, even what we would now consider rape happened a lot more frequently than you can imagine. My next door neighbor was like that. She and two friends got attention from guys who were 16, 17 and were flattered to be invited over to their houses after school.

And in the 50's when Marilyn was a young woman, the sexual revolution had not happened, and women were sex objects, were exploited, and yes if she was zoned out on pills or whatever, and two burly Secret Service guys were "hurrying her along" that scene was very raw. We often judge and form opinions, not fully understanding how things were back then, especially for women who unfortunately were in the orbit around people in powerful positions, whether it was Hollywood studio pigs or politicians. We don't have to tax our imaginations with going back to the 50's. Just go back and read about Harvey Weinstein. Or Jeffrey Epstein. What "Blonde" showed wasn't far fetched. Marilyn was exploited and abused from an early age and that was an established fact. I think she was very fragile emotionally. She wanted to be taken seriously in her profession as she matured but found it almost impossible to break away from the role in which she had already been cast as a sex object.

I think Ana de Armas did an amazing job as Marilyn Monroe. Really outstanding. She should have won the Oscar.