Harkles:What happens now?

Meghan being a narc will have ZERO introspection and maturity, she will victimize herself and will have a rage narc attack. After The CUt nightmare PR interview, the lack of attention, not feeling like the main star this pasts weeks, the resentment “in her mind” of how “unfair” they were treated…. It’s vengeance time! Now it’s her time to shine and manipulate the narrative. Narcs love to change narrative to benefit them.

I don’t know what will happen, but I really hope they go away and live a private life. I am so tired of hearing about them and even more so the endless DL posts about them. The obsession is real with their biggest detractors. I doubt they will be going back for the coronation. They both looked miserable, especially Harry. It was uncomfortable just watching him.

Yeah. You’re prob right. That’s what I’m dreading.

As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

^Narcissists can't help themselves^

It's going to be more difficult for them moving forward. They lost a powerful advocate in the Queen, and though Charles still wants to be merciful towards them, William and Kate have more power now as the Prince and Princess of Wales, and their physical distance from the Sussexes all day today makes it clear things have not thawed between the couples.

I am never tired of these threads mainly because I feel like I’m being gaslighted (gaslit?) by the American press reporting on this. I was outside at their wedding and saw the way she was welcomed. So much of this narrative is false.

Did anyone feel remotely sorry for Harry today? There’s a photo of him outside after Windsor I think with all other other Sr royals (minus wives) and literally everyone has their back to him. He looks completely alone and isolated. I felt sorry for him. I think they feel that this half in and half our thing didn’t have to be so ugly- but who made it ugly?

They can’t “go away and lead a private life.” They need our money.

You need to get a life, OP.

^ I felt bad watching the photo. It’s horrible to feel rejection of a group more if it’s your own family. But I don’t know… I wonder why he was so easily manipulated. His whole life changed after M.

R8 While I feel sorry for Harry for losing a grandmother, he is now in a bed of his own making. He walked away from royal life, he was never pushed out or made to leave. He and his wife wanted to able to reap the benefits of being royal without having to do a lot of the mundane stuff, all while milking their titles for fame and fortune. The Queen said no (and rightly fully so) either you're in fully or you're out. They said fine we're out. That should've been the end of it, but the constant attacks on his family have left the family with no choice but to close the door on him because they cannot trust him. He's a man who has been spoiled his whole life and because people have always saved him, he's never had to held to account for his actions.

The second-row seating at the Jubilee was a wake-up call for Harry. He knows he has to play nice or expect more of the same. They can do without him. But he can't do without them because it's his claim to fame. Bet he regret the Oprah interview now.

There will be an uneasy peace with the occasional leak from her, of course, to promote her grift du jour. She's delusional enough to think she's still the star of the show. What would this 40-something, C-list actress be doing now if she wasn't married to him?

The King is thinking about appearances. William and Kate can't stand them - for good reason.

Don't feel at all sorry for him.

People kept saying how sad Harry looked...he didn't look very sad to me. He looked pissed off and resentful the entire day.

He lives his entire life that way.

Really, apparently every generation of Windsor has to have one...Margaret, then Andrew, then Harry.

None of them very bright but convinced they ARE brighter than the heirs they see as boring and dull compared to their charming brilliance.

I fear Louis might be the one in the latest generation. Hopefully, his parents will help guide him in a more positive direction.

One challenge they will face is that, even if the family is nice enough to invite them to events, we are entering into a period similar to the 50s through the early 70s when there are few blockbuster royal events. Charles is too old for a significant jubilee and would be 25 years away from one anyway. William’s children are still two decades from marrying. No high ranking births will happen. The coronation will be the last hurrah for some time. The royal family itself will remain relevant because of their ordinary activities, but there’s really nothing to put Harry and Meghan in the news, and especially in the US news.

The candle was brilliant. Like giving her the finger.

Anyway, they are nobodies in America and will remain nobodies. "Duchess" my foot.

His book will make them a fortune, including every piece of dirt he can remember. I can't wait for it.

The funeral was in part a family event, but the coronation is purely a “work” event. It would be nice if Harry and Meghan could be excluded from the coronation on that basis, but Charles probably doesn’t relish the forure that would cause.

R8 He’s going to write a tell-all book about them! He got paid an advance for it! Why would they be warm and welcoming to someone who’s been selling them out the last few years?

If they say anything to him, he’ll run to Oprah.

He’s untrustworthy to them.

I want the Harkles to suffer. To suffer more than they have ever suffered in their useless lives. I want them poor. I want them homeless. I want their children taken away from them.

Sorry Klan granny, that isn't happening.

Exactly.

Meghan thought marrying a Prince would be a way to become the next big female entrepreneur. She wanted to be like Jay-Z and Beyonce, Rihanna, the Kardashians.

Once she realized that it was work and royal life is about following rules and pretty disciplined, she said fuck this and left.

They’ve attempted to become entrepreneurs with Spotify and Netflix and etc but they’re not real entrepreneurs and don’t have the drive those celebrities do nor do they have the freedom of image to be as interesting / entertaining.

The US doesn’t really care for them. They’re on the gossip rags but I think they thought they would be more famous and admired by Americans. They weren’t.

And now they’re back in the UK after trashing it and I bet they’ll trash it when they leave. They’ll come back to the US and talk about how abusive and toxic and mentally unhealthy it was for them.

R20 why do you even care that much. They are now completely unimportant.

Meghan has ghosted her own father. I don't think either of them were actually that sad about the Queen dying, they were just worried about their public image.

Narcissists cannot change because no matter what influences they may have experienced, they are unable to experience anything but in the negative. Eleven days in the UK will have provided a glut of fodder for their gripe mill. Stay tuned for a multitude of public installments, upon their return to Montecito.

They just need to always remember to write or say that The Queen was their only champion. How much he loved his granny.

No one cares about the Tampon King and a pass around divorced Queen Whore.

Make as much money from salacious books and whatever else, and then just retire

Since they hired new PR I don't think they are going to let their petty grievances go. All they have to offer is juicy gossip about the BRF, without that connection they are not interesting.

OP They don't look unfairly treated at all.

William walked with him, and no one will blame William for not wanting to talk to him when Harry has a well-earned reputation as a leaker.

They weren't invited to the reception because that was for working Royals only. Andrew didn't attend either. It was basic protocol, and it was rude of the Harkles to LEAK (yet again) that they thought they deserved special treatment, not rude of the Palace to treat non-working family members as non-working.

The candle thing is simply ridiculous. The BBC sets up all the camera angles. If Meghan was so desperate to be filmed at the funeral she should complain to the Beeb just as she did to ITV when Piers Morgan said he did not believe her statements. She's already shown herself perfectly willing to pick up the phone to throw her title's weight around with UK television companies. Let her call the BBC and get the camera operator fired. I'm sure that will go down well.

The epualettes were changed because Harry gave up his job as the Queen's Aide-de-Camp when he left. No job, no epaulettes with the job's insignia attached to them. Again, basic protocol, and again he LEAKED because again, he wanted to be treated as a special case.

Every story about these two this week has made them look worse than before the funeral, not better. And it made Harry look especially petty, not Charles. Charles seems like he is being VERY generous and patient with them, and he does not seem to be a teribly patient man.

Many of the 5 billion people who watched the funeral didn't even want to see the two granny-abusers at that very granny's funeral. The Harkles were very lucky indeed to be included at all, and also lucky not to be booed, which only happened because the other Royals' presence shielded them.

They can write whatever they want in that book. Their credibility is entirely in shards. No one in the UK will believe a word they say. Charles and the family are now largely safe from their slander and libel and ludicrous extort. Yes, the book will make headlines, but then it will be factchecked within an inch of its existence and they will be even MORE condemned for lying than they even are right now, and right now things are not looking terribly rosy for them in that regard.

Let the Harkles do their worst. It will only backfire on them.

[quote] I don't think either of them were actually that sad about the Queen dying

The media today is full of the same image, a close-up of Megs in the process of brushing a tear from her left eye. Some, such as the Daily Mail, go even further by describing "Meghan Markle sobbing in the pews". Since Megs spent years spewing lies and bile about the Royal family and the British people, one has to wonder what Megs was thinking about to generate the tear(s).

R28, Harry has plenty of juicy stories without lying. Hell, Margo could be a book on her own.

I just watched a documentary last night that revealed Wallis really didn’t like Edward.

The sick swooning people have over them is such a reflection of the pressures people have to be in relationships. I don’t know how to articulate it but my ex-boyfriend is a kinky bisexual who’s in a relationship with this very plain Jane to present himself as not only “normal” to the world but all of his friends praise him for being in this relationship on social media and see that as successful despite the fact that he’s financially and mentally unwell.

This is basically the same thing on a celebrity level. Losers being praised cause they’re a couple.

Every “great love story” every told I find myself being bullshit. Cause Charles and Diana’s was once that too!

Ok then, let him write whatever he wants, r30. As of now, it won't make enough of a dent to matter. They are THE most unpopular people in the entire UK and are also unpolular in various other parts of the world, and all because of how they threw their family under the bus and used verifiable lies to do so. They have no credibility.

So, Harry will throw them under the bus again, and I have NO doubt he will throw in some lies to do so, and it will eventually come back to bite him again.

Rinse and repeat, as the BRF will be made to look better and better after each attack, just as has happened every time before.

He seems to have zero capacity for learning from his mistakes.

What are they upset about, really? That they weren't treated as well as the heir to a major throne, or the center of the universe? That they were treated as untrustworthy, after actually being untrustworthy? A failure to embroider a borrowed uniform?

If that's all they've got to complain about, I have zero fucks to give. Instead of pitying t hem, I'd like to give them both a slap upside the head, a year working in a refugee camp, and then a few more slaps upside the head If they ever complain about their privileged lives again.

R33 With them and their fans, there’s no winning. There’s nothing that could have been done.

If they had gotten their asses sucked, they’d have still called the royal family pieces of shit.

Well, how good did Charles look after his book and interview? Like the fool he still is.

Andrew is the worst liked. Not Harry

Harlke fans are pretty toxic to me because they’re not actual “celebrities”, not even social media influencers and their reasons behind worshipping Harry and Meghan are pretty backwards.

Just the idea of worshipping a woman who married a Prince in 2022 is backwards. Glorifying a man for cutting off his family over a woman is backwards. Very old school thinking.

The woman is a lying freak and her prince is an enraged jackass.

The BRF has nothi9ng to gain by making nice to them. They royals should cut them off, never speak of them again and move on. Yes, the raging press will push and accuse, but isn't no contact the best way out of this? As long as the BRF has contact with these destructive losers, everyone will be unhappy.

Just throw them off the cliff and it's over.

Yes, r36, their fans are indeed backwards. They only like her because of her mother's skin colour.

Racism, to me, is about as backward as anyone can get, and the Sussex Squad's motivations seem to me to be virulently, openly, racist.

5 billion watched today. There's a big market for this book, hence the $15 million+.

5 Billion watched because they respect the Queen. Not because they care what the Harkles have to say.

And anyway the moment the book comes out it's all going to be leaked online. No one will need to buy it even if they are interested. Harkle fans will buy it to support the odious pair, and that's about it. And how many actual Harkle fans are there? They're vocal, but they don't number enough to translate into a genuine bestseller.

No doubt there's a big market ready for a salacious tell-all from Harry. People love hearing about dirty laundry, but he'll look bad for airing it in the first place. Harry should be mindful of the blowback they got after the Oprah interview, but he won't because he's a fucking dumbass absolutely desperate for some kind of relevance.

I remember people said the RF would be damaged by their portrayal in "The Crown". It only made people more interested in them. Harry and Meghan are running out of ammo. The book is their last salvo.

Hopefully they'll go back to the States and we'll never hear from them again.

Odd that she couldn't keep her gloves clean. Wonder where that finger has been?

Coke residue, R42?

All this nonsense about nobody knowing what's in the book. The British security services would look like useless fools if they couldn't lay their hands on a copy.

Kitty Kelly made a fortune from her royals book. No insider knowledge or pictures. Forget Meagan , Harry has the goods.

R44 and it wouldn't be the first time.

The British Royal Family is dull and not a single member radiates even the tiniest modicum of intelligence or wit. Imagine a nation with a proud history of literary and scientific achievements being mesmerized by the doings of a family all of whose members would be hard put to pass a high school equivalency exam without special tutors. The sad history of nations with a monarchy is that at some time in their past, they bought into the mythology that GOD had deigned that members of a special family would be given unique powers of diplomacy, military skill, outstanding religious piety, and superior leadership qualities and that those powers would be passed along to future generations in their BLOOD. (I'm guessing they thing this will happen genetically, although this designation preceded our modern understanding of genetics). Look up the concept of the "Divine Right of Kings" if you think I'm joking. I think Meghan Markle is a breath of fresh air in this doltish family which revels in its notion of its own supremacy. She's more honest about what motivates her (fame and publicity) than they are, but the entire monarchical publicity machine is in fact designed to do exactly the same thing for members of the royal family - planting stories in magazines and newspapers, granting carefully scripted interviews showing the royal palaces and gardens at their finest, etc, so I find their disdain for her particularly hypocritical, and the British people, if they buy into this anti-Markle bullshit, to be incapable of objective analysis of the situation.

Kitty Kelly was from a bygone era. Her shitty books scratched an itch. The internet now scratches that itch.

Whatever he writes will go online instantly, and it will be fact checked by everyone from the Sunday Times to various internet "sleuths". It will get the kind of attention which will not translate into sales.

Well, then be thankful it wasn't your $15 million

What happens now? Meghan's podcast happens now! How many more episodes are there for her to open her big gob and pretend to be victimised? I think there's 10 yet to go? All pre-recorded before the Queen's death and so likely to be FULL of platitude-camoflaged bile.

THEN Harry's book, THEN their Netflix "love story" show.

All of which will make them look by turns ridiculous and vicious, just like Meghan has made herself look in her Cut interview.

And none of what they say in any of these self-promotion vehicles will significantly impact the BRF in any real way.

R47. You and Meghan may need to be disabused of the your childish fantasies of what the royal family is, but British people don’t. No one needs you or Meghan to inform us Santa Claus doesn’t exist and I wouldn’t take too much pride in revealing you have discovered he doesn’t exist. The British royal family haven’t reigned by divine right for centuries and British people know that already. They don’t need an opportunistic moron to inform them of it.

Despite being chosen solely by heredity or marriage, most of them probably are smarter than her (low standard) with the exception of Harry

They should be exiled to the Island of Patmos and die there.

Camilla 's pussy stinks.

Not as badly as yours does, r53

R47 Liars and hypocrites are not a 'breath of fresh air'. They are poisonous and toxic and it's best to avoid them.

Britain retains the Monarchy because it gives us a Head of State who isn't political. That may change with Charles but if it does, he won't last long. The Royal Family are given great wealth and luxury but they're not allowed to have a public political opinion. They have to keep their mouths shut whether they like it or not. They don't have the freedoms - speech, expression - that the rest of us enjoy. Markle didn't understand that just as she didn't understand that the RF are not celebrities. They're public servants.

What’s next? She announces her third pregnancy (bandaid baby). Harry’s book. Harry’s self-harm. Divorce. Oprah interview.

The possibilities are endless.

R56 You forgot to mention the vile domestic abuse she received from Harry.

AND Harry's "inappropriate behavior" with the children. Hastens Harry's departure from Maison Montecito.

Like all grifters, Megs goes with what has worked to her advantage in the past. She used the "the family I've never had" grift twice, she'll use the domestic violence grift again because it worked to her advantage with her first husband, Trevor. The child abuse grift will add a very profitable bombshell/advantage.

And when her father is dead she will accuse him of inappropriate behavior against her.

As she loses more ground, her accusations will get more and more vicious and salacious. This is all she has, now.

Just like Amber Heard.

Harry moved to a new country where he has one friend (Nacho), one hobby (polo), and his wife and kids. He succeeded in missing the final years of his grandparent's lives, and kept them from his child(ren). His family seems indifferent to him, and he has no path to success. Now he'll probably drink. Megs has exhausted attempts to monetize her notoriety, and will likely divorce Harry, guaranteeing alimony and child support for years to come, and that she'll never have to return to England or see his family. It's already been noted that the police have been called dozens of times to their estate, which, when needed, can be spun into any number of damning tales. He'll return home, see his kids a few times a year, and she'll probably fail at a talk show and join a Real Housewives franchise just to keep her face on television.

R8 He betrayed his family, his country, his Queen, and if the PR from his publishers is to be believed hasn't finished selling them out for money yet.

This wasn't an Act of God.

He's a big boy. These are all decisions he made.

Why wouldn't they turn their backs on him?

As you sow and all that.

He earned every bit of their contempt, anger, and distrust.

So, no. I don't feel one bit sorry for him.

It's his grandmother I felt sorry for, whose last two years were marred with the hate he and his wife were spewing out as recently as three weeks before she died.

His father begged the Harkles to come up to Scotland and stay with him at Birkhall so they could see her, as they were in England for their second faux royal event. Anyone looking at that photo of her with the new PM knew she hadn't long.

They refused then they weep crocodile tears in public and he weeps about his uniform.

Cut the bullshit. He and Meghan earned every frigid look they got with one fully conscious and totally unforced decision they made.

"Harkles:What happens now?"

Show is over, PH and his fancy woman pack up and take themselves back to USA.

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Diana called Harry an “airhead” and she was right on the nose.

He and his wife aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer.

His plea for sympathy doesn’t sit well when 99.9% of us will never have access to the royal coffers.

I want Harry to go Total Trump. Every little grievance is shared with the media. No slight goes unexpressed to the press. Oh, the fun this will be.

This intense hatred towards Harry and Meghan, two people whose behavior has zero affect on any of you, is absolutely pathological.

It's a great soap opera.

Their whining will eventually get old, if hasn't already. They are privileged beyond what 99% of people can even imagine and spend all their time on their grievances. They'll always have their twitter fans who hype them up, but in general people like the monarchy and the whole spectacle of it. If Diana couldn't bring shit down, they won't be able to either.

Also people seem to really like Prince George and Princess Charlotte and they'll start getting more and more attention over the old and busted drama queens.

They left of their own volition. But then they decided to complain and whine and make accusations. Harry's family aren't distancing themselves from the Harkles because they left, but because they continue to try their best to impugn the royal family. I think Charles has been wise to include them as much as he did, which he did either out of love for his son or fear of accusations of racism. But that doesn't oblige the members of the royal family to be friendly toward them. Especially when anything they say is likely to be repeated to the press -- in this regard, Harry and Meghan -- who ostensibly hate the press -- are complete hypocrites. Hate the press, but use them to pursue their agenda against others. I would have loved to have listened in to those limousine rides with only Meghan and Sophie in the car.

Actually, R69, people in general don't give a shit about the monarchy. It was tolerable because of Lizzie. Let's see them try to force the nation to mourn Chucky for 10 days when his time comes. If they are self-aware, they won't even attempt it.

^No one cares about moldy old Charles, that is true. But they do care a great deal about the new young family, Will, Kate and kids.

I imagine Harry will disappear to CA until his father’s coronation*. And then after that, there doesn’t seem to be a reason for him to come back to England for a while…

*his invite depending on what he writes in his book. Publishing it at all could be the death stroke in his relationship with his family. He’s probably adding a couple of chapters about the Jubilee and the funeral and how he and Meghan were snubbed as we speak. William isn’t going to want him around after that- he’s a snitch.

They continue to spout as much vitriol as possible. Get caught in their lies. More & more people flee from them.

The funeral go 5.1 BILLION clicks. Remind me again. How many clicks have they got recently. Their last Big gig in Manchester got 60. And the UN got 12. Oh and of those 12 most were on their phones during Hazy's talk.

They will have to spend all their money on paid bots to try & 'Big Them Up." They will slide down, money will vanish like dew in the sunshine. The bots will get cheaper & cheaper, till their lack of English Language skills made them Visible to the stratosphere.

No one (normal) in my age group cares about Willy and Waity, R72. All their admirers are ancient grannies. PWs paper boy PR stunt for the homeless and his preaching about environmental issues before riding off in his private helicopter just made him look even more like a prick. They are far removed from the public and completely uninteresting.

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Sure, Jan r75.

Those 5.1 BILLION who tuned in spent 11 hours admiring Wills and especially Kate yesterday.

You poor thing. You'd just believe anything. I watched a bit of the funeral on YT. The combined viewership of all the streams at any given time was less than 3million. If they couldn't even break 5mill on an internationally accessible site like YT, that's saying something.

Markle’s father is a vile nut case R24. If he were my father I’d ghost him too.

Yes, R79, but you'd have done that long before you married the British Prince.

I agree, OP.

Arrogant, over-privileged nitwits, but the Royal Family made serious errors this week. He served two tours in Afghanistan. Honor that and let him wear the uniform.

Some parts of the British media were awful to her, but she also brought stuff on herself (as did he) with comparisons to Mandela, UN talks, and "the Duchess of Sussex" calling senators. Still, Meghan showed grace and dignity this week at all her appearances.

Problem is they're out, but they still want the privileges that go along with the positions.

[quote] He served two tours in Afghanistan.

That's the operative fiction, promoted by the MOD and Palace PR. Yes, Harry was in Afghanistan. But not within light years of "serving". Closer to reality would be "being served" by those protecting him, keeping him as far away from harm as possible. There's absolutely no "honor" in "that".

Harry was stewing with anger, not sadness. Screw him. Throw a tantrum, Harry. Nobody important give a shit. Not anymore.

He is not star, no prince, no eligible bachelor, no nothing. Tell me about the actual Royals. They are the ones who pique my interest.

Sorry, r78, but I believe Kensington Palace on viewership numbers before I'd believe some random comic.

"I hate them and here is my lengthy fanfic about how Harry will die a lonely alcoholic, which is a very normal thing to fantasize about!"

"They're just like my crazy bisexual ex!"

"I don't care about them one bit, which is why I have prepared this detailed list of how I would physically abuse them if I had the chance."

^Next bot just pounced the time clock

reply 82 For many years now, long before Meghan came around, I've heard that he did nothing but play video games in a bunker while in Afghanistan. They couldn't let him do more. He might have gotten killed or hurt. That wasn't going to be allowed to happen. He did nothing heroic, nothing combat-related. He didn't even work to support the combat soldiers! He did NOTHING for months. PR from the Palace was protecting his reputation and his pride, and doing a good job, back then. They hid all kinds of unprincely behavior. His fans were lied to, and they won't believe that he's a stranger to them. Beating up hookers? Remember that? He's been damaging the BRF for decades. A spoiled fat-ass embarrassment, just like Prince Andrew. Like Andrew, he married poorly. Like Andrew, he just does what he likes b/c he knows he'll be forgiven and catered to. No more. At least, I hope things will change now.

R84, Sweetie, it's physically impossible for 5.1billion people to have watched that funeral. I'm actually worried for you. But I had fun reading the replies under that tweet. Good to know not everyone has lost the plot.

[quote] Harkle fans will buy it to support the odious pair, and that's about it. And how many actual Harkle fans are there?

One only needs to look at the amount of threads created on DL and read comment sections about these two to know who will be the main customers for this book. Hint, it’s not fans.

[quote]Those 5.1 BILLION who tuned in

That figure comes from a parody Twitter account. Seriously. You will find no news source that has reported this, let alone the BBC. It's not true.

They’re like the Kardashians. They’ll plague us for decades.

Their brand is so negative.

As long as they irritate the stinking Brits, I'm all for them. Meghan is just what the brf deserves.

For their own sake, I wished they'd sell their money pit of a home in CA, but some ranch in the west and do something like horse rescue or some sort of charity/environmental type thing.

Unfortunately, after these last 10 days, I think Harry will go home & fall into an abyss of drinking & who knows what else, while Megs works on her *personal* brand. She's lost broad appeal, but the ultra wokes still seem to love her, so she'll probably pick up some lifestyle/mommy vlog. It's hard to imagine things getting brighter from here for them

Meghan should pivot to upbeat lifestyle. The grievance thing is unsustainable long term.

R67 Their behavior does have an effect! They're promoting themselves as something special in America because they hold British titles. That's wrong, goes against everything America stands for, and should be stamped out.

The more important question here is how Queen Elizabeth's death turned DL into a 2-week-long Megan Markle hateurbation marathon.

I mean I know her very existence drives you choads into obsessive-compulsive feeding frenzies on a daily basis, but damn.

It's a fabulous soap opera. How tiresome to come on here and moan about people enjoying the show.

[quote]It's a fabulous soap opera.

No, it's a racist circle jerk.

Why are you here R99?

Honestly, I don't give a damn.

They are two annoying twats that for God knows what reason are being force fed to us by the media, because the media has found a way to turn clicks from people who like or dislike them into money for their coffers. Every time they whine or complain it's front page news, instead of being buried near the classifieds where they belong.

And every time they break wind and end up in the news, fifty threads are opened up on the DL about the same damn thing.

Yes, R99, when a couple of rich royals twats bitch and moan about being given less unearned wealth than other rich royal twats, it's racist to mock them!

What could be more obvious.

So what happens now? Another suitcase in another hall So what happens now? Take your picture of another wall Where am I going to? You'll get by, you always have before Where am I going to?

Call in three months time and they’ll be fine, I know. Well, maybe not that fine, but they’ll survive anyhow.

Do you think Harry’s book will have any juicy revelations? Or is it just going to be about how hard it was for him to grow up in the royal spotlight?

Is his anger/disappointment at not being allowed to wear his uniform/the ER going to make him spill more? Or did the little family reunion dampen his need to tell all?

I’m not sure!

R99 Yawn, ‘the card’ is getting old, faded and dog-eared.

R104

You'll get by, you always have before.

If the thousands of posts (including those that have nothing to do with H/M), and hundreds of threads on DL are any indication of interest -Harry's book will outsell The Bible.

Harry can barely read a book, let alone write one. I bet this proposed tome will never see the light of day, or he'll be cut off forever.

For sure the 60 people who showed up for them at Manchester might buy of Harry's books, or read it on line for free after it gets leaked. Or maybe the 12 people photographed at the UN playing on their phones as he was speaking will buy one.

BTW here's another source saying 4billion people watch the funeral, but of course they were only watching it to see Harry & Meghan. Guess they couldn't get past the Huge crowds at Manchester. or the U.N. *cough cough*

There's one from Newsweek saying it was 5 billion. I'll see if I can copy the link in another post for all you bots to comment on. Another post or two & maybe you can buy a Starbucks instead of a coffee at 7-11.

Sorry can't link Newsweek, will keep trying, bu here's another.

You know who I do feel pity for is people who have to work at bots. Talk about whoring. Bet to pole dance than being abot.

I bet a lot of people watched bits and pieces of it. I waited until it was over and watched the rerun but skipped through most of it. It was really boring.

Harry's tragedy is he's a dumb guy but think he's smart. Meghan no doubt latched onto that insecurity to control him. Diana made no bones about being dumb. She said I'm as thick as a plank.

I watched a condensed version on pbs and it was good. Charles was almost crying when they sang God Save the King and I thought that was the most touching moment. That and when the guy broke the wand in two.

What's next for them? More moaning and claims of victimhood probably. Despite the fact the royals tolerated the Sussexes if not frostily welcoming them (e.g. a joint walkabout with W&C, sitting behind the Charles and Camilla at the funeral, Harry getting to wear his uniform at the vigil, etc.). I don't think Harry & Meghan understand that in the real world when you quit your job, you don't get to keep your benefits plan.

Here's the thing, I think Harry is still redeemable in the eyes of the British public but not while he's with Meghan. H&M are a packaged deal in Harry's eyes and as much as the royals distrust him, they distrust the wife even more (not to mention Meghan is very unpopular in the UK, Canada, Australia and NZ based on polls). I think if the marriage ever does end (and my money is on it failing eventually), Harry will be slowly welcomed back within the family and maybe eventually into public life. Meghan has zero chance of ever being allowed back in the fold. She is the modern Wallis Simpson.

I hope Charles refuses to give their rugrats titles. He could say 'out of respect for our friendship with the United States and our Special Relationship, I shall not give titles to my grandchildren as they are US citizens and residents and such a move would be disrespectful to the United States'.

No one cares about Charles . . . yet. But in fact, the segment of the population who most support the monarchy watched him grow up and they care more than some of you guess. Those cheers and hands held out to him when he got out of the car, the calls of God Save the King rising in the crowd even in Scotland and Wales. No one thought Edward VII would be popular, he also inherited as an old man, but in the end, he became surprisingly well liked.

Oh, poster upthread, you really are comical - If they're "self-aware" they won't care about Charles? You mean, if they agree with YOU they won't.

The thing is, there's a difference between support for one monarch and the monarchy. That's what people constantly forget. Not liking Charles as much as his mother isn't the same as being willing to ditch the monarchy.

And, as another poster pointed out, with the very attractive and hugely popular Wales' front and centre in the new reign, I don't think people will be so keen to ditch the monarchy over Charles, whose reign they know will not be anywhere as long as his mother's.

William is likely to inherit at a mature but not elderly sixty if Charles lives another 20 years, and he may not. The public know it is a bridge reign. In ten years, Prince George will be a handsome strapping 18 year old and the catch of the world, and Charlotte a blossoming young beauty of 16.

You'd be surprised what mouldy old things we Brits care about.

Any body language aficionados here- what is your read on Harry getting in the car after the funeral and “puffing out his cheeks” like fuck that was hard. She is looking straight ahead and not acknowledging him. I can’t tell if she looks angry or sad Compared to the UN body language it’s a departure for their brand.

Megan’s Royal Flop

All fodder for an Archetype podcast.

She found the role of her lifetime, playing victim.

[quote] Any body language aficionados here- what is your read on Harry getting in the car after the funeral and “puffing out his cheeks” like fuck that was hard.

I think that puffing-out-cheeks exhale could be interpreted a couple of ways.

Benign interpretation: It's been a long week, Grannie is dead, it's over now, I'm relieved.

In combination with Meghan looking straight ahead (when she usually is looking at the camera and/or Harry): Harry's thinking, oh boy, what's she angry about now?

They will be papped landing in US don’t you think? Unless they want to hide that they flew private again

R122 thanks that makes sense to me. Her not looking at him or reaching for his hand - nay his entire torso- has to be a sign to him that she’s pissed

Harry & Meghan will go back to the US and continue on in the same vein. From the outside, except for possibly being uninvited from one event, it seems like they were treated pretty well. Meghan was well-dressed.

Divorce? If there's a divorce, it will be 7-10 years down the road. There's too much invested, right now. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie made such a huge deal out of their "love story" (yes, they played a part in the media fascination), had so much money intertwined, children. I think it was a big pill to swallow, getting divorced, after the 6 kids, the movies acted in together, the winery, UNICEF, Hurricane Katrina houses.

Actually, their body language at the UN was some of the most disturbing I've ever seen. That was the most mentally unhinged I've ever seen the two of them look in public. The rumour was that they had a huge fight in the hotel the night before his UN speech, because Meghan blamed Harry for not trying hard enough to get her onstage with him. The staff allegedly not only heard screaming, but found broken crockery when they cleaned the suite up the next day.

I have never seen anything as demeaning as the way Meghan treated Harry as they sat there. He also pulled his hand away from her and then grudgingly gave it back after a few minutes.

They are headcases, both of them.

R121 Those two comments are hilarious, especially the one about the black and white floors.

Yeah, the double-clutch / double-claw was weird. He had already pulled his arm away. Then, she doubles down and grabs his arm back, using both of her own hands. She's got that smile on her face as if nothing's happening.

R119, I think Harry was puffing out his cheeks because he was relieved THAT was over. He’s hoping for a little sympathy, for her to take his hand and say “that was rough, but you were brave” the way she used to. He has no idea what venom she’s about to leash upon him. She had to keep it together while his family heaped insult after insult on her and what did he do about it? NOTHING. Spineless twerp that he is. And she’s just glad she didn’t let the children come and be IGNORED and SNUBBED and ABUSED. Because that’s what it is, Harry. It’s abuse. And he stood by and just let them HUMILIATE her. With the whole world watching. And he was too much of a spineless wimp to lift so much as an eyebrow. He probably liked it, didn’t he? Watching his family abuse the little colored girl. Just like them. Just LIKE them.

I thought their images improved a tiny bit after all is said and done. Meanwhile, Charles will never be loved or adored like her mom. He's just not an endearing figure. Can he just let William be the king sooner than later? I think the longer he has the crown, the riskier the monarchy becomes irrelevant.

I too think they might’ve gotten a little boost from the past week. Suddenly people who don’t pay attention paid attention. And all they heard is “what? They’re not letting him wear his uniform after he served so bravely? That’s fucked up! Why are they so cruel!” You know, the uninformed emotional take.

These two Markle idiots completely misjudged the art and science of celebrity. Most celebrities don't end up with adoring fans because they continually piss off people, create controversary and trash their families in public.

Their window of sustainable celebrity opportunity is over. They are not likeable. The public can see what's going on and their continually whining and lying. Yes, Harry's book may sell, but most people can't stand H&M. We want our celebrities to be happy, to bring us fun and give us a reason to like them. The Kardashians have their fans, and those who don't like them just ignore them. But the Kardashians are not controversial about serious issues such as victimization, mental health, racism, etc. The Markles are fucking exhausting, and they're mean and vindictive. They have no talent in really doing anything. The Kardashons got good at selling make-up and taking selfies. They have no redeemable qualities, but their harmless. The Markles will sue you if you take a photo of them. They are not likeable celebrities. Their star will fade. No one wants to be around such Debbie Downers every fucking day of the week.

At least the Duchess of Windsor was impeccably dressed, and gave great dinner parties. She and the Duke actually had friends.

How do these two spend their time in Montecito?

They were both furious with how they were treated during the funeral. Even to a casual observer, they radiated outrage. Once they get home and fully catch up on social media and realize they were laughingstocks (I.e., the candle) there will be hell to pay. Now that they’ve cut ties (or were fires by) SS, no one will be able to restrain them.

R101 Now that they have split with SS, that might improve. At least reduce the random mentions on my local news channel. I wonder if The Cut interview was SS’s breaking point. Or rather her reaction to it. Some account executive got an earful after that.

R132 you are completely right. We expect talent (you can be hugely talented and also patronising ie Barbra) and that’s fine - but if there’s no talent than we expect beauty and fun (Sharon stone in her heyday). Markles fail both ends. Misjudged is the right word. R134 wait til she sees the candle! She will lose it. This is the woman who made two publications redo tweets that didn’t include the word Duchess. And r135 I would put money on the fact that they split after the Cut. Who chose alison as the writer do you think? Did you hear she’s been put on unpaid leave? She does not suffer fools - it would have made more sense to go to Glamour if she wanted a puff piece. Why The Cut anyway?

I think that Harry will go crazy and get fat. Megs will have a secret affair until she decides to announce it to the media, and she’ll have a child with the lover then throw herself in front of a commuter train. I like to keep my thoughts focused on the positive.

Seriously, I think that Diana’s death and the way it unfolded really fucked Harry up, and at a psychological stage of his life beyond which he really became unable to grow. And then came Meghan promising vulnerable Harry to be his merciful savior…

A running theme in their dynamic is “you have to protect me” remember when they were dating and he wrote an (unprecedented) statement to the press referencing his mom and demanding they back off? I know a good MM from an ex boyfriend and it was very much the same (protect me from my fans) Bower references it in the book “you’re not Nicole Kidman” I think Trevor says). I wonder if she’s super mad bc he didn’t protect her this week from his family/the world/unflattering angles etc

R135 what I read was Meghan wasn't paying Sunshine Sachs their bills - after she got those podcasts up, Spotify paid some money to her and she paid some of what was owed to SS, and then they decided to cut her loose. Think it was on that marklenews1 instagram channel - some of their rumors are sourced pretty well, like the Telegraph etc. Some from a reddit "insider" - others from tabloids, etc

Oh and another reason SS cut her was the bad reaction to The Cut interview. Here's the link, if you have instagram.

I think Williams three cute children are a big asset to the Firm. Not that the press can feature them very much - but the two older ones figured prominently in the funeral proceedings. How heartless can the public be to kick those little munchkins out on the street?!

That's one way (of the many) the Harkles messed up. If they had taken their kids to that first event - where they're photo'd at the window with Zara's children - it would have helped. If not warmed hearts, then at least guaranteed they wouldn't be treated as brutally. And they could have some exposure to their little cousins. They really don't seem to care about those children at all, I swear.

[quote] How heartless can the public be to kick those little munchkins out on the street?!

Mary! I'm sure they'll be rich, either way.

I was using hyperbole, but still... when the people think of the monarchy, they'll think of the Wales and their little kids, probably more than Charles and Camilla. Certainly can't hurt.

R137, Harry was a mess well before Diana died. There's repeat information about him acting out as a little kid and even Diana talking with her therapist about his issues.

Why do they still hide those kids? It has got to be tied up with them monetizing off them, maybe saving them for Netflix?

R146 Debuting the kids at a public event like that will decrease their value. If people take a million photos of them at the funeral, they won’t be as valuable.

[quote] The coronation will be the last hurrah for some time.

We may get another investiture ceremony for the new Prince of Wales. But that will likely be the last big event until the death of Charles III. (Camilla will likely precede him in death, but she will likely already be insisting on a very small family funeral like Philip's--she genuinely does not like extra attention.)

Can you imagine being A List and having to sit by them at a party or dinner? Harry seems like he is out of his depth in the U.S. and Meghan is such a social climber and blabbermouth you wouldn't dare say anything to her.

Harry claimed he was friends with Orlando Bloom who lives by them but Orlando said they are not friends. Harry seems really awkward except when around his Polo buddies.

Harry seems like he is out of his depth in the *U.K.*

I don't think the UK will ever accept the Harkles during our lifetime.

The best they can hope for in the US is getting some sort of sandwich named after them.

Good luck, ingrates!

They split with SS, and wboever/whatever they do now will be WORSE.

The Netflix documentary with the fake polo win is bound to attract millions of new fans.

R42 I wonder if there's a powder that would make your eye tear up - like onions do? Inquiring minds...

A reddit "insider?" Oh, okay. They are frauier than you, and that's saying sonething.

I'm curious if "Harry's book" will ever come out now. When Harry's ghostwriters wrote it, Charles and Camilla were the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall, but not the sovereign and the queen consort. If it were to be published now given how negative towards them it certainly is, it will come across not merely as complaining but as treasonous, since Charles is now the embodiment of the United Kingdom.

I feel like the Sussexes are at a huge crossroads now.

Perhaps Harry can pitch the missus as a voiceover artist again to Disney for an animated feature film.

Horton Hears a Harkle, starring Meghan Markle as the egomaniacal Sour Kangaroo. Special guest appearance by Lilibet as the baby kangaroo in her pouch, and Archie as an odd little yak.

R154, Meghan Markle has said in interviews that she could cry on cue, like many other actors and effective manipulators.

Exhibit A R158. A camera ready tear.

Has she sniffled or sobbed on the podcast yet, or is that for sweeps week?

She just drips with authentic feeling in those photos!

R137 I think you’re right, but I also think many people have a worse start in life than Harry and manage to lead happy, fulfilling lives. I actually think Harry will find peace someday but it will take some time - and Meghan’s departure - for him to get there.

Harry's error was marrying someone with divorced parents, estranged family members and no long time friends.. He truly needed to be surrounded by a loving family like William. You can only spend so much time with someone no matter how much you love them.

Imagine how embarrassing to lie about people dancing in the streets for you and then a week later having to actually go face all those people in the streets for HMTQ.

R164 She went back to London, not Cape Town🙄

They are the Duke and Duchess of Overseas.

In other words: EXILE.

Several years ago, I was seeing a psychiatrist for some traumatic job and family issues. I'm much better now; however, there was something that the psychiatrist said to me that I always remembered. He recommended medication (I forget the name of the drug) to ease the trauma and my anxiety. Anyway, he said that my brain chemistry was stuck at the same point when the trauma happened to me, which was one of the reasons I couldn't move on. I needed the medication to even out my brain chemistry and go back to functioning normally. Without the medication, there was no altering my brain chemistry or relieving me of my trauma. So it's not enough to just go through therapy. Sometimes, you need drugs to readjust and breakthrough through the trauma that is blocking normalcy.

Harry needs more than therapy and talk, talk, talk. He may need medication to help return him to a more even keel since his brain may be stuck where it was at the time of his mother's death.

What happens now? She discreetly murders Harry, makes it look like suicide, says she desperately wanted to meet Charles because she was profoundly worred about Harry's mental health and was going to plead with Charles to help his son, but cold ol' Charlie didn't care.

Charles with his age will be a mere interregnum between Second Elizabethan Age with Windsor-Middleton Dynasty.

R167 Psilocybin?

R161 I know ! Right ? Shes giving us pain,she giving us internal turmoil,shes giving us deeply grieving ! All so effortlessly too. That girl is a STAH .

[quote] Harry needs more than therapy and talk, talk, talk. He may need medication

Harry doesn't want therapeutic help because Harry doesn't think for a moment that there is anything wrong with Harry. On the contrary, Harry believes he's on a roll, successfully causing much pain and anguish to his late grandmother, father and brother. Which he will continue to do unabated because little Harry Sussex is and will always be ANGRY at granny, papa and Wills.

In the period of 4 years, Harry successfully took a revenge on 2 old-age pensioners whom he delusionally believed had caused him so much trauma and grievance during his wretched childhood. What a cold-blooded murderer. And his accomplice wife too.

Harry has talked about having PTSD and other unnamed psych issues, but I agree that he doesn't think he needs to change anything about himself. He thinks his troubles are all his family's fault, and if they apologize and shower him with money, palaces, and tites, while demanding nothing in return, he'll be totally fine.

He has a reputation as a dimwit for as reason.

I don't think therapy and medication can fix Harry's issues. They are too deep-seated. People just like to believe there's a fix for everything.

[quote] He thinks his troubles are all his family's fault, and if they apologize and shower him with money, palaces, and tites, while demanding nothing in return, he'll be totally fine.

That is, unfortunately, the mental illness of the sociopath which Harry shares with Megs. Give me everything/anything that I desire, show me unquestioning adulation and obesance, and continue to do so in perpetuity because I've been wounded and YOU must pay. Of course nothing will ever be enough. Of course they will never been happy. Of course their demands will become increasingly extreme. Because it will never, ever be enough to placate the sociopath. Who's trying to fill the empty soul they don't possess.

R173, please. Let's not be overdramatic.

Hary is the spoiled unhappy child, or Manchild, who doesn't realize that being spoiled will never make him happy.

But it's all he knows, so it's what he demands.

Apparently they still haven't flown back home to California. If they aren't actively begging for a meeting with Charlie (unlikely to happen), they seem to be procrastinating going back to their money-pit mansion in a country that is largely apathetic to them. Back to their title-less children that they bearly see anyway and a mountain of mail that is all bills and no Hollywood invitations. Back to work, putting out whiny podcasts and a tell-all book that, in this new royal landscape, will likely bury their brand 6 feet under, especially since they recently were publicly treated politely and with grace during a difficult time by the same people they are bitching about. The Duke and Duchess of Overseas are fucked and deep down they know it, so they are hiding in Frogwarts Cottage.

She’ll claim that her passport was confiscated, and that she was held against her will.

Oh, the stories she will tell.

The splendor and transcendence of the Queen's funeral and the outpouring of grief from the plebs must have shocked them profoundly. They thought the public would turn against this anachronistic institution after all the vicious, yet untrue allegations they hurled at the family. The Harkles were so wrong, so clueless.

The Duke and Duchess of Overseas...I love it!

It's so insulting, dismissive and a ridiculous mocking of titles all at once.

[R157], 😂😂

I feel like we need a Let's Be... thread, featuring all the victimisation the Harkles suffered at the funeral.

I suspect Meghan being seated behind the racist white candle would feature!

She can't r158. It's fake.

I do feel a little bad for Harry, especially when e was standing vigil at his Grannies coffin, with his Cousins. I realize he's not done himself any favors, with the interviews and all, but we really don't know what its been like for him and William, and being raised in the public eye, and given who his Mother was. They've had every advantage in the world, but it hasn't seemed to make them very happy. The other moment that broke my heart, was when Charlotte broke down crying, at the funeral. Overwhelming and confusing for the kids. The whole shitty cycle will repeat itself. Harry and Meghans kids will also, eventually be in the public eye, and caught between celebrity and the Royal family. Meghan, will eventually play that card, because they've backed themselves into a corner. William and Harry have said how they want their kids to experience their childhoods to be as normal as possible, but I don't see how that's possible. Their own Mother wanted the same for them, but it didn't turn out that way. I just think its all really sad for the kids.

If H just accepted his fate and the privileges that came with them, he would be contented with himself. Or he could try living his life in penury with no perks, outside of the public glare. Would he be happier? I pretty much doubt that.

R186 Charlotte will be just fine. She was sneezing, not crying.

R[186], thanks. I'm very glad to know that.

I think William’s children have a very different life than did William and Harry. Their mother was not part of the aristocracy. She came from a middle class, albeit with money, background. She comes from a stable, loving, close family. That stability has been passed to her children.

The Queen was also a stable level-headed woman as well despite being raised in the public eye because she was brought up in a stable home.

I see Gayle King is at it again, either making it up knowing the BRF will publicly ignore her, or having been fed the Sussex version of what went on behind the scenes. The Sussex's most striking characteristic is their utter failure to learn from past mistakes. Last time they fed King private information, William and Charles stopped talking to Harry altogether.

I see Gayle King mentioned a lot; is she a reputable or semi-reputable journalist? She's not known here in the U.K.

Gayle King isnt even a semi-reputable journalist. She's clinging to a shadow of a career that she got through her dear friend [cough], Oprah.

King created massive trouble after the Oprah interview by telling the Daily Mail that private conversations between Harry and his father and brother hadn't gone well, and issuing a threat that Meghan had "receipts" for all her claims and would unleash more dirt if the Sussex's "concerns" were not addressed.

After that, Charles and William stopped talking to Harry completely.

A bottom feeding faux American journalist spews out private information about personal calls amongst the three men AND adds in a second-hand threat to two future British Heads ofcState.

Needless to say, the episode only solidified the wall the BRF was building against the Sussexes.

It was an incredibly stupid move on Harry's part, especially. It was insulting, childish, and cowardly and it got the Sussexes nothing but more contempt

And here we are again, with King dressed in black and in a carefully more modulated tone given the circumstances. But still annlujcinf that she knows what went on behind Palace walls.

And if she does, she's also announcing that the Sussexes told her. Putting everyone right back at peak outrage.

And if that's the case, small wonder harles won't take a private meeting with Meghan.

Maybe King was Neil Sean's "very good source" for that

Birds of a feather and all that.

[quote]I see Gayle King mentioned a lot; is she a reputable or semi-reputable journalist? She's not known here in the U.K.

Her official title should be "Oprah's Best Friend & Mouthpiece." I don't know that anyone (besides Oprah) really considers her a journalist at all

[quote]Back to their title-less children that they bearly see anyway

Oh, dear.

They're STAYING?

In RACIST Britain?

With their racist FAMILY?

But what about 3-week forlorn ARCHIE (not Archibald) and LILIBET (not Elizabeth)???

It must be SERIOUSSSS

Dumping your 1 and 3-year-old with nannies thousands of miles away for three weeks isn't a good look in 2022.. The Queen did stuff like that because she HAD to in a very different time, and she spent her later years regretting the fallout from it.

^She dumped her kids for months, not weeks.

They were always going to leave soon after the funeral. Why hang about? Charles and Camilla are in Scotland, neither the Wales' nor the Wessexes will talk to them. Their moment in the sun is over, and they've been apart from their children for three weeks. The optics are clear: get out of Dodge now.

They now have to regroup to consider how they start reigniting their podcast/memoir/"docu-series" attempts at global relevance, taking into consideration the support for the monarchy that the Queen's death revealed, their hopeless standing in Britain, and that the two men and two women they want most to spit at publicly have gone far ahead of them. One of those men is now Britain's King and Head of State; the other one, given his father's age, is potentially now much closer to becoming same; one of the women is Queen Consort, the other Princess of Wales and also, given the King's age, potentially much closer to becoming Queen.

The next shoes to drop aren't those absurd podcasts, but Harry's case to force the Home Office to "review" his request for 24/7 armed security when he visits Britain (for those who didn't read it elsewhere, the HO doesn't have to change a thing, just pretend to review the request at the Court's order, but it can come to the same conclusion), and then the memoir.

They should be recalibrating, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it, because they seem incapable of moving on in any way.

I presume they're still in the UK, because they think they can wangle something they want from Charles.

I also presume they won't get it.

[quote]Why do they still hide those kids? It has got to be tied up with them monetizing off them

They released the first photo of Lilibet on social media for free. I know that upset a lot of you because you'd been insisting they were hiding them to "monetize the kids" but it's obvious that they aren't doing that at all.

Gayle King is ORPHRA'S PROSTITUTION WHORE!

Hi, Meghan r202

Has it ever occured to you that, perhaps, your way is Not Working?

Just a thought.

But that is THE ENTIRE WORLD'S FAULT, R204.

Not mine! Never mine.

R[204], that's funny!

Exactly what I thought R[201].

Will the newbie at r207 learn how to do the R numbers correctly?

Darling newcomer r206 and r207

The form is put the letter R either uppercase or not right next to the number.

So, If I want ot alert r208 to be POLITE, then I would do so as I just have.

Also, WELCOME, my dear.

[quote]Has it ever occured to you that, perhaps, your way is Not Working?

You spent all day yesterday on this thread screaming that 5.1 billion people watched the funeral, because you got fooled by a parody account on Twitter and were too stupid to confirm what you read before insisting repeatedly that it was true. You can't spell and your sockpuppets are obvious, two facts that are related, but which you are not smart enough to understand.

Oh YES!

Thank you for reminding me, r210.

Turns out it was only FOUR billion, not silly FIVE billion.

My mistake.

Do forgive me.

^ You are nuts if you believe that 4.1 billion people watched the funeral. Did you even read the article you linked? It said it's just a projected number. And it's clearly a very delusional estimation at that. Here's a video claiming that the funeral was watched by 26.2mill (less than half the population) across the UK. Does that mean that the other 4,730,400,000 or so came from outside the UK? Get real.

I meant the other 4.07billion* You get the point.

[quote]Many of the 5 billion people who watched the funeral

[quote]5 Billion watched

[quote]Those 5.1 BILLION who tuned in

[quote]Sorry, r78, but I believe Kensington Palace on viewership numbers

Then this person disappears (or at least this account does) when it's pointed out that the 5.1 billion figure came from a parody Twitter account, and there isn't a single news source, let alone BBC or Kensington Palace, who is reporting 5.1 billion people watched the funeral.

The next day they come back and:

[quote]Turns out it was only FOUR billion, not silly FIVE billion.

which again is not true, but rather is their misreading of a projected possible figure for the number of viewers, as r212 already pointed out.

I question whether someone could be this stupid in real life. Surely this is a troll, right?

Peak viewing across all stations in the UK was 37.5 million.

[quote]They were always going to leave soon after the funeral. Why hang about?

I expect they're busy trying to beg a ride on a private jet back to LA. Can't possibly fly commercial because, you know, that's for 'other people'.

The sources saying that 37.5 million watched across the UK are also saying that 4billion watched worldwide. Plus, none of them appear to be UK based. Which is probably why you didn't link your source, R215.

Here's sky reporting the same figure as ITV. 26.2million.

No, my sources were UK based.

Many sources claimed up to 4.1 billion were expected to watch the funeral. The majority of those are in Commonwealth countries.

I think that billions did watch parts, if not all of the funeral.

I don't think we have full figures for viewers yet. WSJ says it was 10M in the US, Deadline says 37.5 in the UK. That's not going to get us to "billions" of viewers, I'm afraid.

Americans are generally irrelevant in these numbers. It is Commonwealth countries that will drive numbers. Many people watched on streaming rather than in real time.

I'm sure most people world wide at least popped in to watch some of it.

FWIW, according to Lady C. children did not want young Harry at their birthday parties. He was disruptive and mean. Why didn't Diana seek help for him? He has had a problem playing nice in the sandbox from early on.

Can't you drag the limp "Lady C" drivel to one of the many frau sites? Try Reddit.

Oh do fuck off, bitter old queen @ r223 on an antiquated desktop at the local library. Don't forget to pick up cat food at Family Dollar before you catch the bus home.

Nothing but disdain for bloodsucking liars like "Lady C" and the clueless fraus who genuflect at her penis.

HELLO! understands the couple flew out of London Heathrow on Tuesday. As previously reported, the pair arrived on British soil on the morning of Saturday, 3 September for what was due to be a short trip to visit several charities. After 17 days away from home, Harry and Meghan will have been very eager to get back to their two children, Archie, 3, and Lilibet.1.

Making sure to mention Heathrow so we understand it was commercial- also they did not get any meetings or stick around looks like

I would doubt Meghan asked to see Charles in a one-on-one meeting. The source is Neil Sean who isn't the most accurate gossip monger in the world. He's been the source of a lot of the stories these last two weeks, all based entirely on his own opinion or, sometimes, "a source."

I wish a lot of the people who obsess over Meghan were more savvy about how gossip works, because they don't seem to realize that it's always been an industry that depends on lies and exaggerations.

I didn't realize that the gossip about her requesting a meeting with Charles had already been debunked, in the Mail no less.

Love is love is love is love is love is love is…The Harkles

Tyler Perry shoveling the shit to Hoda and Jenna, who are lapping it up.

Idiots

William and Harry's childhood friend Ben Godsmith has finally broken the upper-class' silence on Meghan and JUST SAID IT:

He's never even met Meghan and he doesn't have any connections to the royal family. He's got fewer connections than Lady Colin Campbell does, for crying out loud. He's just repeating the same things the tabloids have been saying for years.

Haha Goldsmith was a terrible choice to use to spread more Meghan hate in the tabloids

Wait, Kate Middleton's mother's maiden name is Goldsmith?

So this guy is related to Kate? HAHAHAha

Do r232 / r233 actually KNOW who Ben Goldsmith IS?

I retract the question at r234, she's not from the same Goldsmith family.

I did think it was funny that the Meghan haters on Twitter were having trouble explaining this, until I realized that they were upset because Ben's family is aristocracy and they don't like to admit that Kate's family isn't.

It seems Ben's mother was friends with Princess Diana, but I'm not seeing any connections he has to real sources, at least not yet. So far just seeing "well they share staff and staff talks" kinds of comments.

Ben Goldsmith assaulted his ex wife after she left him for a black rap musician.

Ben Goldsmith's family is probably one of the top families in Britain.

I didn’t know R235, so I Googled him.

Financier and environmentalist is the short CV.

I’m impressed with what I’ve read.

Thank you R231.

[quote]Ben Goldsmith's family is probably one of the top families in Britain.

So's the BRF, and they lie all the damn time. Andrew fucks trafficked teen girls, Philip made racist comments.

Did someone really just link to a tweet from some literal nobody as proof that Goldsmith is telling the truth?

Zac Goldsmith of "one of the top families in Britain" ran on a racist campaign just a few years ago.

Zac has already waded into the fray before, claiming Harry is destroying the royal family on Meghan's behalf.

No lies were told in the headlines.

Zac and Ben Goldsmith are the brothers of Jemima Goldsmith, ex-wife of Imran Khan. They are the kids of Lady Annabel Goldsmith and the late Franco-English billionaire Jimmy Goldsmith. Jimmy notably remarked that "every time you marry a mistress, you create a vacancy". Annabel and Jemima were Princess Di's bosom buddies. Di memorably went to Pakistan to visit her pal Jemima when she was married to Imran Khan - before he became Pakistani PM - and dressed up in veils and a sari to try to lure Dr. Khan into marrying her.

The Goldsmiths are at the pinnacle of the social ladder in the UK and France and have no connection to Kate's mother's family (she wishes!). Clio Goldsmith who had a brief career as a French movie star, is the daughter of Jimmy's brother the environmentalist Edward Goldsmith and married Camilla's brother Mark Shand.

The Goldsmiths - formerly Goldschmidts - are an ancient, very rich German Jewish family. They intermarried with the Rothschilds. Jimmy Goldsmith - a fascinating character - first came to notoriety when he eloped from Eton with the very young heiress to the South American Patino fortune with her father's detectives hot on their heels all the way to Gretna Green in Scotland where they could legally wed despite being underage. She died in childbirth. Her daughter runs a boutique hotel in Mexico. When Isabel Patino's irate father bitched: "in our family, we do not marry Jews". Goldsmith responded: "in our family we do not usually marry red Indians".

R242 running a racist campaign against Muslims would be extremely odd. Granted, the Goldsmiths are Jewish but his sister converted to Islam when she married Imran Khan and they have several kids who Harry would - no doubt - refer to as "Pakis".

I go out to meet an old friend at the local for a pint and come back to see a new furor erupting already, with giant headlines in the DM, bless their canny hearts, who are rerunning the bullying story, with Jason Knauf's emails to BP HR about Meghan's behaviour up in gargantuan type.

(And Meghan's barely out of the country, what miraculous timing!)

And the prefects keep sniffing about we frauen creating all these threads and obsessing over people we "don't know".

Well, we bloody well know who Ben Goldsmith is.

This is quite big, actually, because of who Goldsmith is. He's no middle-aged lady in a basement furious because Harry didn't marry her.

Anyone else still think Tina Brown is on to something when she talks about Harry and Meghan returning as working royals? Show of hands, please!

Meghan is a sociopathic narcissist who is also the victim of racism. There are plenty of white people who are just as awful as Meghan, but she gets the most attention for it because she's black. Thens the facts. Both sides are right. Let's move on.

How can they be a tip family when they are Jews?

R248 Meghan only got her foot into the royal family because she was biracial. Had she been a 100% white version of herself: a divorced starlet from a trashy family, past her sell-by date with a propensity for Ugly Americanisms, considering herself a World Authority on Everything, Harry would never have been allowed to marry her.

R249 never heard of Disraeli? Many aristocratic British Jews - Nigella Lawson's family, the Rothschilds, Sir Malcolm Rifkind, the Montefiores - marry into the gentile aristocracy. None of them are particularly religious but all of them are particularly snobbish.

[quote]How can they be a tip family when they are Jews?

. . . asks the Jewish manicurist.

Earl Mountbatten's wife, a, was the daughter or granddaughter of Sir Edward Cassel, a wealthy Jewish financier. I think the Cassel wives, how er, were not, so neither was a.

There are a sprinkling of aristo Jewish families in Britain.

George Eliot wrote a novel about a young aristocratic Englishman who discovers and then explores his previously unknown Jewish identity, called "Daniel Deronda". I read it long ago and it was very good.

Jews have been in Britain for centuries.

Oh, and that was Earnest Cassel, not Edward Cassel.

Like many top comments on the DE

The title which indicates the writer thinks the US as a whole and HOLLYWOOD are the same thing - they're not. The rest of the US is nothing like Hollywood which is more of a business than a zip code. Most of the general public of the US don't know much about these two and don't care. Hollywood would have called perhaps if the ex-actress who never made it there, had an ounce of humility.

She was never a member of the "Hollywood" community but she expected to grab a title from the BRF and immediately be welcomed into Hollywood as an A-lister without having done anything of note to earn a place there. The 'luster' of their titles has worn off because they are no longer connected to the BRF & have spent all the time since they quit, insulting the institution that made her 'famous'.

That doesn't fly, even in Hollywood. She thinks she can just present at the Oscars or go to this or that event solely because of a title and again, that's not how it works in Hollywood (which I remind you - is NOT the general US). She expects things to be put in her lap without having to do anything to EARN it and when she doesn't get it she stomps her feet and has a fit. The US in general has nothing to do with them and neither does the small community called Hollywood and that's on nobody but her.

[QUOTE]Goldsmith - a fascinating character - first came to notoriety when he eloped from Eton with the very young heiress to the South American Patino fortune with her father's detectives hot on their heels all the way to Gretna Green in Scotland where they could legally wed despite being underage. She died in childbirth.

Wow. I didn't know this about him. Goldsmith was more than slightly predatorial, poking his friend's (Mark Birley, infamous owner of Anabell's, the club he named after his wife) before she became Goldsmith's mistress). She gave birth to at least one child while still married to Birley. This is alleged to be one of the reasons QE II rejected Anabell as a name for on of the Yorkie girls.

And, yes, Anabell Birley eventually vacated her mistress role and married Goldsmith. According to Tina Brown's Diana Chronicles, Lady Anabell was a major source of support for Diana when things went from bad to worse with Charles, inviting her for long weekends at her country home outside of London.

[quote]Anyone else still think Tina Brown is on to something when she talks about Harry and Meghan returning as working royals? Show of hands, please!

I can see Charles floating the idea as he probably knows that their ventures are going nowhere & to keep them from becoming desperate, he's got to throw them a line. But for all the reasons discussed at length on DL, I can't see Megs doing that because she'd not only still be #2 to Kate, she'd be a chastened #2 and it's hard to imagine her reconciling herself to that. And no one would trust her & they'd keep on on a very short leash. More like Harry will return in some sort of limited capacity when they (inevitably) split up

Britain was one of the very few countries where anti-Semitism never really caught on. Karl Marx loved living in England. Golders Green has been a well-heeled, Jewish London suburb for 150 years.

I think it's notable that true Hollywood A list movie stars continue to avoid them. The best they can do is hang out with TV people. There is still a class divide in Hollywood between movies and TV. They seem to be classified as reality TV celebs now, not what Meghan wanted I assume.

Just to get the names straight . . .

a Cynthia Annette Ashley Mountbatten, Countess Mountbatten of Burma.

Granddaughter of financier Earnest Cassel, "friend and private financier to the future King Edward VII. Cassel was one of the richest and most powerful men in Europe."

She was bullied at school because her grandfather hit the trifecta: he was rich, Jewish, AND German.

R253

^*Damn it all . . . A Cynthia Annette Ashley

Well, OP: now you know what happens now.

The knives reappear ten minutes after the Queen is buried.

Charles isn't throwing the two any bones behind the scenes about returning to Britain - he made that clear to the world with his "as they rebuild their lives overseas". You cannot mistake it, it was a wave goodbye.

He may be toying with them over the HRHs for the kids; however, that didn't stop them from getting info either to Neil Sean of Gayle King, or both.

That the funeral visit ended on a sour note is not arguable. Kate also made herself clear.

And if the Harkles were still having carrots dangled in front of their noses, they wouldn't have talked to Sean and King. If those stories the two told came from the Sussex PR camp (if they're true, they sure as fuck didn't come from Charles' office), then it means they very much didn't get what they wanted and don't fucking care anymore.

The only way we get an inkling of what went on is whether the Harkles start behaving better. They didn't whilst there for the funeral, and if they're already leaking stories to the likes of Sean and King, they still aren't.

People negotiating for something they want change their behaviour. The Harkles haven't.

What happens now? The Harkles drag themselves back to visit the nannies in Montecito and life goes on for as long as they can afford it (which isn't much longer).

They need MONEY. They're going to make hating the RF into their sole occupation. Diana's money is gone. The Queen Mum's money is gone. The Oprah money is gone (yes, they were paid when the tv show was sold all over the world). Whatever percentage they got up-front from Netflix and Spotify is gone. Philip's money is delayed for years. The Queen's money is delayed for years or denied altogether, perhaps in favor of trusts for Archie and Lili.

This is going to be very painful for them.

Meghan's already busy leaking to Gayle King again so she didn't waste any time.

No shit, R263, she must have Gayle on speed dial the way she was immediately running her mouth.

^^^For some damned reason the bloody autocorrect will not let me type A before Cynthia.

a Cynthia Annette Ashley, later Countess Mountbatten of Burma.

R262 There was no Queen Mother's money, please don't. A representative of Harry's estate came out last year and stated publicly that there was no such bequest or trust fund for Harry from the Queen Mother. Diana's trust fund was his only money.

They will continue to make the RF look better & better.

She will continue to help speed up worldwide fatigue for Racisssm being used as the go to card.

Hell,, even Luscious Lemon's dick got caught in the wringer as he tried to play the Racisssm card as British Woman wearing a triple row of pearls trumped him...

I do wish - with the mid-terms only 6 weeks away - that black twitter would shut the fuck up about 'The Queen owes us reparations!' as obviously the US would then owe reparations too as slavery survived here 40 years longer than in Britain and whining about reparations would be such a dandy culture war for the Republicans to engage in for the mid-terms. We have enough problems with pronouns, CRT and kiddies going to drag shows.

They were dropped by Sunshine Sucks for some unpaid bills, and then this:

Camilla was left "spluttering into her tea" over a suggestion by Prince Harry to heal the royal rift, it has been claimed. The Duke of Sussex made a whistle-stop visit to Britain with Meghan Markle in April on the way to the Invictus Games in The Hague where he met his grandmother the late Queen and his father King Charles at Windsor Castle.

r242, I understand that since you are not an actual gay man but only pretending to be one, you may not appreciate how many of us ACTUAL gay men feel about Islamic extemists who want us dead: Hint: Goldsmith was right in that mayoral ad.

Inside Meaghan’s Royal Flop

A deliciously snarky article. The Spectator is subscription but you should be able to read a few articles for free.

Trying the link again…

"Anyone else still think Tina Brown is on to something when she talks about Harry and Meghan returning as working royals? Show of hands, please!"

Thumbs down!

Charles may hope for a personal reconciliation with Harry, and won't see him sleeping under a bridge (Meg is another story), but Harry isn't going to be a working royal during the reign of King Charles, or King William. Whatever their personal feelings about him, they know that he can't be trusted to represent the monarchy, or to do the work necessary to regain the public's affections. Hell, they undoubtedly know he can't be trusted to put in any work of any kind, which gives them at least one thing in common with Meg.

Camilla's late brother Mark Shand's only child is his daughter with Clio Goldsmith. Ayesha Shand has taken over her father's elephant charity in India. She is not only Camilla's niece but Ben Goldsmith's cousin. A small world indeed.

Mark Shand, by the way, had an affair with Goldie Hawn and died under mysterious circumstances. He was in NYC and stepped out of the hotel to smoke a cigarette, fell over, banged his head and died. Maybe Kurt Russell pushed him...

These two hadn’t even planned to bother seeing Queen Elizabeth II when they went to the UK according to news reports, @thetimes

The Times article that prompted the tweet.

R266 The BBC, which does tend to know about such things and which is a more reliable source than anonymous people "close to Harry" has reported:

"In 1994, the Queen Mother reportedly put aside two-thirds of her money into a trust fund for her great grandchildren. Princes William and Harry will reportedly share about £14m from the estate of their late great grandmother."

The Queen Mother had eight great grandchildren.14 million divided by 8 is 1.75 million. If Harry got something from her, that's all he got.

^^^^ Apologies I forgot Margaret's 4 grandchildren.

The Queen mother actually had 12 great grandchildren, making Harry's inheritance from her come in at closer to 1.1 million pounds, not 1.75

R279 It says that's the share Harry and William got, not the total amount of the trust shared among all the grandchildren. Reading is fundamental.

Anyway, it impeaches whatever that source "close to Harry" said.

And here's another report consistent with that:

"She put a large chunk of her money into a trust fund, to be split between all her great-grandchildren, but with the agreement that Prince Harry would get more than William. When she passed away 19 years ago today in 2002, aged 101, the brothers had £14million to split between them, but as agreed the younger Wales brother did better out of the deal."

The wording of the BBC report says "trust for her great grandchildren". I sincerely doubt that the Queen mother left all of her other 10 grandchildren nothing, especially when she knew that William would be a billionaire, Harry would be getting half a million a year and the other children would be getting nothing.

She left everything but the great grandchildren trust to the Queen.

I am certain that the trust was shared by more than Harry.

And also, that would make sense. After all, he's made it very clear that he's desperate for money. Hence we get his bitter comments to Oprah about Charles "cutting him off" financially.

R282 Did you read the Mirror report? Spouting off here about stuff you're "certain" about without any attribution whatever is just hot air.

The Mirror is making the same leap of logic from the BBC report that you have. It took the phrase "great grandchildren's trust" and forgot about the other 10 great grandchildren.

Again, the Wales boys were the only Great-grandchildren who the Queen Mother KNEW would be well-provided for. There is no way she would have made a Great-grandchildren's trust and disinherited all the other 10, none of whom had the automatic funding set up for them which William and Harry had.

R286 Can't you do better than just offer your speculations here? Absolute nonsense just trying to cloud the issue. And not even doing it very skillfully.

Leave me out of it, R285 😽

The BBC article doesn't say what you claim it does, r285.

However, if Harry *did* in fact get close to 14 million as you claim, then why was on Oprah whining about how his father had financially cut him off?

When you've spent £11.2m buying property in Montecito, £14m doesn't seem like much!

Harry has never denied he has an interest in the QM's trust.

Anyway, it all depends on the terms of the trust. Maybe it's income only for a long period or has other restrictions. Trust fund babies often don't have free access to the corpus.

In any event, Harry's the sort who no matter how much he has, never has enough. Bitch bitch bitch about how unfair life has been to him.

R246 and others are refusing to believe what was reported about the Goldsmiths, especially Zac, of course.

We can bring you information from legitimate news sources, but we can't force you to believe it.

Ben Goldsmith was arrested and cautioned for hitting his ex wife and kicking some of their kids' toys at her, hitting her hard in the legs, because he got angry that she was dating a black American D-list rapper.

Now he and his brother Zac are trashing their former friend Prince Harry, who is married to a mixed race American D-list actress.

Zac's mayoral campaign was so racist that conservative politicians felt compelled to speak out, since he was accusing Sadiq Khan of being a terrorist, because he was Muslim. Zac's reputation was tattered enough that when Johnson appointed him to the House of Lords it caused an outcry.

Zac's campaign manager was Mark Fullbrook, who is in the news now because he was caught trying to overthrow an election in Puerto Rico, which is why the US cancelled their meeting with the PM when Biden was in the country a few days ago. The PM had to fly to the US to meet him instead, and leave Fullbrook behind. He's being questioned by the FBI.

All of this points to what we already know: many of the people who hate Meghan are corrupt rightwingers who have a problem with racism.

It's just really, really obvious. Again, no one can make you believe it, but when you lie and say Zac and Ben Goldsmith have never been racist in their lives, despite being shown multiple examples of it, it makes you look like you're racist, too. Or at least you don't care about it. Your only concern is to shit all over Meghan Markle and if that means lying about racism or excusing it, or pretending rightwingers are actually liberals, that's what you'll do. It's insane and it's bordering on hysteria.

[quote] many of the people who hate Meghan are corrupt rightwingers who have a problem with racism.

R290 The people who criticize Megs have eyes that see, ears that hear and a rational brain that can discern deplorable behavior and actions. Unlike you.

[quote]many of the people who hate Meghan are corrupt rightwingers who have a problem with racism.

Moronic statement. She is 25% black at best and presents/presented her whole life as white. Chooses white men, always. Never embraced her AA heritage in any meaningful way. Me-gain and Hapless Harry use the race card when it suits them. It's a bold faced scam and if you can't see it, you're deaf, dumb and blind.

Amongst those hundreds of people who attended the funeral, nobody who didn’t know who Meghan was would have identified her as black. She looks more Mediterranean, Spanish looking I would say. She just wears her blackness when she wants to play the victim.

R277 REPORTEDLY REPORTEDLY REPORTEDLY

The BBC ANDVTHE GUARDIAJN ALL USED THE WORD REPORTEDLY

They "knew" factually ZERO.

It was one of those stories that took on life just because so many circulated it.

Here is what IS fact:

A representative of Harry's estate (who really DOES know a thing or two more then the BBC about Harry's finances) in the last couple of years finally came out and publicly stated that there was not and never had been such a bequest or fund from the Queen Mother.

The revenues from trust funds is taxed. Any sleuth reporter for the FT worth his salt could have uncovered those.

Harry's netcworth is a matter of public record. Thete is not the slightest sign of any such revenue, as there is from the trust fund Diana left him.

Not to mention that the QM lived well beyond her means, left her entire estate to her daughter, the Queen, who had to pay off the estate's debts in the seven-figure range, and not for the first time.

It was a rumour without any legs that the BBC picked up along with everyone else.

Can someone PLEASE tell me WHY this keeps going around when Harry's own estate put paid to it?!

^*more than (not then) the BBC

Before I get Oh, deared.

R294 Funny how you keep blustering at such length that "Harry's own estate put paid to it" but never find the space to include a link to a statement by "Harry's own estate."

As to the BBC and its "reports," everyone knows how the Palace gives not-for-attribution briefings to journalists. Let us not be naive.

R256 You the one who is naive.

Here is the link.

Every damned paper around put that bullshit out about that 1994 "two-thirds" of her estate.

The rep finally comes out and denies it completely, and you lot go on believing it because everyone else said so.

THERE IS NO PROOF IN HARRY'S PORTFOLIO, WHICH IS EXCEEDINGLY EASY FOR ANY FINANCIAL WHIZ TO GET HOLD OF.

Or in William's.

Why the fuck would the Palace put out a story like this "not for attribution"?! To make Harry look richer? The Queen Mother even more of a parasite as she lived extravagantly beyond her remit and her daughter had to keep paying off her debts, but stashed away million for what were going to be her two richest great-grandchildren, leaving Bea, Euge, Anne's children, Edward's children, etc., out in the cold? What about Margaret's children?

The story is. on its face, ludicrous. There is always a paper trail somewhere, there is none her.

Oddly, only a few papers picked up the formal denial. But the denial is actual, real, and clear.

Oh, and I have put links to that denial up several times from different outlets.

Obviously, you were too busy reading the BBD and The Guardian to pay attention.

Maybe it's not true they have money problems - or maybe Harry's is tied up in trusts that require a lot of agreement/cooperation by trustees to get at the money. Considering he has two children whose future needs protecting, it makes sense. They've always known he was, as Diana said, thick. And a lot of guys (esp one in a wealthy family) get taken to the cleaners by gold-diggers - that must have been thought about when his trust(s) were set up.

R299 Let's put it this way: by the standards of most of us, they have no money problems. If they do, it's because the bar they're used to makes their actual income in need of constant replenishment with very large sums.

Harry himself said in the Oprah interview that his family "cut us off financially" when they left, and "we had to live on the money my mother left".

My guess is that there's less here than meets the eye. He has a portfolio, I'm sure, and he had a large trust fund, they are carrying as a matter of record a huge mortgage in a very expensive, tax-wise, area of the world. They live somewhat, I suspect, above their actual income, funding a large staff at that ridiculous foundation, as well as large staff to maintain and service that ridiculous home, with large grounds, a swimming pool, a guest house, etc.

But that doesn't mean they have no money. There's an art to what people who are, shall we say, semi-rich pull off in looking fabulously wealthy when they're actually only mildly wealthy.

That's where I suspect the Sussexes fall.

R297 That report, with no text of a statement or identification of the "representative," says "PRINCE HARRY did not receive any inheritance from the Queen Mother's £70million fortune, his representatives have said."

Well, if she put money in a trust for Harry and others ten years before she died, it's not an "inheritance." Words count when you're parsing denials. PR people are sneaky. (Aren't they.)

No denial whatever there that he's the beneficiary of a trust settled by QM.

Oh, and lastly, in the Oprah interview, as Harry whinged that his family "cut us off financially" when they left, and "we had to live off the money my mother left" . . . did that tell you anything?

R302 No. As said, depending on the terms of the trust, it's possible he hasn't even "received" anything yet, but he will

Let's find ourselves a statement in which Harry says, "I am not and have never been a beneficiary of a trust created by the Queen Mother." Anything else is just PR puffery.

R290 Whatever.

It's PR puffery when it contradicts what you want to believe.

The initial statement was made, if you read the fucking piece, to FORBES. Not the Daily Mail or the Express.

What Harry came into at 30 was exceedingly clear. And wasn't there was exceedingly clear.

And those statements are usually made by representatives, not principals. People like Harry and William (about show share in that alleged trust fund there never seems to be a mention) don't make personal statements to FORBES magazine. They send out representative.

Find me the slightest actual financial proof in Harry's inheritance that shows an additional 14 million or so, whose revenues must be taxed just as Harry and William paid normal taxes on the revenues from the trust fund their mother left them.

These people's net worth isn't that hard to find.

And whilst we're at it, Charles' entire estate with non-liquid assets including land, jewellery, horses, art, etc. my amount to a billion or so, but his actual net worth is around $420 million. He barely makes it into the top 15.

Lady Colin Campbell also had it on good authority that the Queen Mother, her parents' eighth of ninth children, was conceived with the help of the family cook and a turkey baster. For years, that has been circulating, too.

The fact that the Countess of Strathmore was in her forties and already had seven children, thus why go to all that trouble in her mid-forties for, God help her, an eighth and ninth (she called the two "my Benjamins" after the 12th and 13th children of Jacob and Rachel in the Bible), never seemed to occur to anyone - never mind the striking resemblance between the Queen Mother's jawline and her own mother's. . . .

It's why I have never taken anything Lady C says seriously since.

This is the same thing. Without a shred of proof, everyone believes the story.

I don't mind gossip. But I really mind people who have been presented with one provable fact ( a concrete denial by the estate itself), insisting that it doesn't mean what it says and the reverse is the truth.

Who gives a shit whether or not Harry received several million pounds as an inheritance?

99.9% of us get along okay without inheriting huge fortunes. That's no excuse for his whining bullshit. He needs to live within his means like the rest of us.

R305 There simply is "no concrete denial by the estate itself." None.

R305 What is it about:

"But a representative for the Duke of Sussex told Forbes magazine he was not a beneficiary of any of the Queen Mother’s fortune."

that you don't understand?

The truth is, you just don't want to believe it.

And, for what it's worth, that the crux of the matter, Harry and Meghan whingeing about their financial lot in life is disgusting no matter where he got his money, I do agree on.

What I do believe is that with their usual short-sighted flailing, the Sussex's have realised that they aren't going to make as much money off Netflix and Spotify and many other "deals" they thought their immense charm and relevance would bring them, they are now concerned that one form of retribution for their attacks will be financial: no money left to them or their children by the late Queen or, down the road, by the new King.

As always, they were so sure they'd never need anything from the Windsors again except their titles, that they didn't restrain themselves at all.

Now, they want those HRHs and those titles and trust funds for kids they made sure the family had no relationship with, and who are being raised as Americans in America.

I don't doubt that they're sorry, but not sorry about what they did, only that what they did is going to cost them.

[quote]Without a shred of proof, everyone believes the story.

You've written thousands of words on this thread alone that are based entirely on stories you believe without a shred of proof. You scold, name-call, and excoriate anyone who doesn't believe the same rumors and gossip you believe to be empirically proven facts.

I thought the turkey baster rumor (that I didn't hear from Lady C, btw) applied to Elizabeth's mother. That she and Margaret were conceived that way because their father, well, couldn't or wouldn't oblige otherwise. That makes more sense - just the two girls - instead of someone who already had a lot of children.

One of course has to note too that whatever was said came from a couple who shamelessly lied to an English judge, and only 'fessed up when caught out.

I don't believe very many words out of the Sussexes' mouths, and I also don't believe the frauism that they are "broke." In any event, they are rapidly getting played out.

They could always sell that Montecito thing and get a 3 BR/2 BA in a nice little neighborhood that's affordable. Just get an ADT system for security - and a big dog or two.