Conspiracies no one believes but you

That Prince Andrew is lying about being 6ft and is actually 5ft 7ish. Frau-central DL refuses to believe it.

That OJ didn’t kill Nicole

We landed on the moon but we didn’t take a movie camera that was capable of that level of detail as the footage shows. Kubrick tried to tell us in the Shining.

I think the MRNA Covid vaccines caused many heart attacks and strokes in the elderly.

I think the Vatican had Pope John Paul I murdered because of the emerging scandal about the Vatican Bank.

[quote] I think the Vatican had Pope John Paul I murdered because of the emerging scandal about the Vatican Bank.

Many believe that, R5. Books have been written about it. It's even suggested in The Godfather Part III.

I believe, not just the elderly R4

Agreed re: the shining. We may have gone to the moon but Kubrick was also hired to film footage

I think Russia switched votes in all the swing states in the 2016 election.

^ I think they did it in at least FL

I believe that there are supernatural/metaphysical elements to the "Smiley Face Killer" deaths. Possible scenarios: - being lured toward subterranean portals by beings like a Nixie or or river/lake spirit - being picked up by flying cryptid and dropped into water - the victims are part of some ritual sacrifice

I believe Charlize Theron killed her father, her mother took the fall. A reverse Lana Turner/Cheryl Crane situation.

I think Covid made a good percentage of the population into Pod People, who want everyone to join them, and have largely succeeded. I feel like Donald Sutherland at the end of Invasion of the Body Snatcher.

Uh, by the end, Donald's character became a pod person.

So.....

Totally R12. Charlize killed her abusive dad. It's pretty fascinating and we'll never know. But I'm sure.

Those zany Seth Efricans!

I cannot think of one conspiracy I believe in.

Stevie Wonder isn't really blind.

I can see that, R18.

R19 So can he.

R9 can you explain?

I think the idiotic and widespread ANTIFA rioting of 2020-2021 was part of the ongoing Deep State psy-ops to make the country feel like it was falling apart during (and because of) the Trump presidency. I think that organization is being controlled in some manner by state actors and I suspect many of their members have been MK Ultra'd in the way that Charles Manson was.

Kennedy assassination. He was killed by 'friendly fire' of a secret service agent.

I don’t think a plane crashed into the Pentagon.

The Pennsylvania plane was shot down by US military.

R22 buahahaha

Yikes, R23. That’s on a par with Jackie doing in her cheating husband.

Trump and Pompeo set-up the withdraw of Americans from Afghanistan as a trap for Biden. Trump had no intention of following through on his promise.

Of course no matter how Biden handled it, FOX and other outlets would brainwash the sheeple into believing it was a debacle.

I personally feel Biden did an incredible job. He got most everyone out who wanted to leave in less than two weeks. When the Rethugs saw it going well, they had an operative plant a bomb in a suitcase.

R24 definitely about the Pentagon.

Beasts wild with hunger shall cross the rivers:

Most of the fighting shall be close by the Hister,

It shall result in the great one being dragged in an iron cage,

While the German shall be watching over the infant Rhine.

I agree with some form of the MRNA vaccine theories. I am on medication for high blood pressure (age 48), and took both Moderna shots. Since then my BP has been fluctuating from very high to very low. I've even had a few semi-fainting spells, where I ended up on the floor but didn't lose conscience. And I'm dizzy frequently. But my doctor blames it on drinking.

Bob Simon (who was Jewish) was killed by Mossad for suddenly becoming critical of Israel after having covered them for decades and realizing they were an oppressive nation. Israel even tried to get CBS not to air the interview he did with the Israeli Amb because he called them out - it was the first time a major network aired unfavorable coverage of them.

"Putin wanted to invade Ukraine but Trump told him to hold off until Biden was president,"

I think the reason nobody believes this is because in what universe would Putin take advice from Trump?

Also, Trump would have let Putin do whatever he wanted without giving a penny of aid to the Ukranians.

It would have been better for Putin to invade when Trump was president.

I think Putin had a health scare, which may be ongoing, and he really wanted to complete his "mission" of making Russia more like the Soviet Union used to be.

I totally believe that Trump has nothing but ill will for Biden, but he's also scared of him. Biden was the one person that Trump did not want to win the nomination because he knew Biden could beat him which he did. It was why Trump was already hinting at the insurrection even before the election.

But he did the same with Hillary. Trump is a conman. He needs to know where the exits are at all times.

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia are real. Long Covid is a similar multi system chronic illness that will receive the money, research and attention those other post viral conditions did not.

[quote]R5: I think the Vatican had Pope John Paul I murdered because of the emerging scandal about the Vatican Bank.

It wasn't just the Vatican Bank/IOR scandal. A lot of people overlook the addition of the issue of papal political alignment, and its effect upon the international balance of power. Albino Luchiani / John Paul I was a leftist sympathetic to Liberation Theology, and had his pontificate been permitted to continue, it might well have offered a significant advantage to leftist movements around the world, particularly in South America. His replacement, Karol Wojtyla / John Paul II was a far right anticommunist, who teamed with Reagan to fight the South American leftist movements, as well as undermine the Soviet Union itself. It has been suggested that Reagan's off-the-books financing for the Contras and other CIA regime-changing operations were partly funded by the embezzled funds from the Vatican Bank. John Paul II swept further investigation of the scandal under the rug, and Reagan kept undermining the self-determination of other countries, fomenting counter movements and regime change around the world.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, many crowed the triumph of this cooperative effort as a "Holy Alliance."

In R34, I forgot to underscore the significance this had for the idea of a papal assassination. Casting it as merely one more instance of 'regime change,' the theory makes the United States one of the beneficiaries of papal replacement, and therefore a potential participant in carrying it out.

I do not have a concrete opinion one way or the other in this matter; I merely note the theory.

We never went to the moon

Princess Diana is buried with her father not on the island

Gay people are created by too many opposite hormones in the womb; ie. lesbians get too much testosterone, gay boys too much estrogen

The estrogen that makes a gay boy in the womb also somehow makes his asshole behave like a vagina when aroused

Jackie was fucking Onassis before JFK died- when she visited him on his yacht after death of baby Patrick. Onassis then turned up at The White House as soon as Kennedy was dead- he wanted Jackie from day one.

Marilyn Monroe killed on orders by Kennedys and JFK's murder was revenge for it and other things

Dame Edna is Barry Humphries in drag

Bill Gates wants the earths population reduced by 50 percent.

^ earth's

Some of you are nucking futs.

In 500 years, everyone will be as obese as the people in wall-e. Conspiracy theory: predictive programming. The major entertainment businesses know what's going to happen in the future and prepare us. I love it. Thank you. I already started eating.

I don’t really think we went to the moon either.

Ridiculous theory but I still made it up in my head:

All of the posts on Datalounge recently that ask posters really personal, weird questions are part of some psyops recruiting program. Questions like "Do you have any irrational fears?" "What is the most traumatic event you've been through? How did you handle it?" "Have you ever murdered someone?" "Why are gay men so insecure about x?" "Have you ever been stalked?" "Do you have hand-to-hand or hands weapons training?" Ok I made up the last couple, but seriously tho 😮

Electricity causes cancer.

They really are setting us up for The Mark of the Beast. Getting rid of cash and putting the chips in credit/debit cards is the first step. Soon the cards will be said to be too easy to be lost or stolen so they'll want to put the chips inside our skin.

Does this count as a conspiracy theory in order to make people indifferent to their whole lives since it's all in some brain anyways?

Cancer rates are rising because of all the chemicals and shit they put in our food, people getting lazy and putting convenience above all else, and all the plastic and pollution.

I believe the Covid vac causes fatigue and brain fog.

R47 Yes and the mimic-estrogen in soy causes conditions like this:

Always knew there were QLoons among us.

Light bulbs don’t emit light, they just suck the darkness.

I’ve thought that about Charlize for years. She has definite sociopath vibes. No wonder she and Marky Mark got along.

Dr. Phil made Shelley Duvall look crazier than she really is. He cut out the parts where she was talking normal and making sense and only showed the parts where she seemed insane to mock and humiliate her.

R53 There is a lot going on on these type of shows. Bunch of people behind the camera telling you to say and do all kinds of things and then they can cut it together in a way to make you look more mental than you actually are. No shame.

I'm going to sound like a mega-Frau, but Satanic Ritual Abuse-kind of. Yes, there was hysteria, and no, I don't think there is a cabal of satanists going around abusing children, but I do think ritual abuse happens. Men will choose a career or marry a woman just to be in close proximity to children they can abuse, so it doesn't seem so far-fetched that some men would buy robes and candles and pretend to be 'satanists' to abuse a child. It is a good way to ensure a child never tells, because it's so out there, or they do tell someone, they won't be believed. A book titled Women Unsilenced made me rethink the whole 'satanic panic' of the 1980s.

So many people go missing and are never found. But they can't just vanish into thin air and stop existing. I believe some really are kidnapped and kept underground for rich people to rape, torture, kill, basically do anything they want to them just like in the movie, Hostel. Sometimes movies sell hidden truths as entertainment.

But I am also a believer in the supernatural and parallel dimensions as in The Mandela Effect, so I also think that others accidentally "cross over" into an alternate timeline and that's why we can't find them. Because we can't look in another world when we're stuck in this one. These worlds, in some cases, may be nearly identical to ours so they don't even know they're considered missing in ours.

R55 did you describe Madonna?

R24, then what do you think did crash into the Pentagon on 9/11, because something did. A relative of mine, an Air Force pilot, was stationed there at the time, and said the whole building smelled like jet fuel after the hit.

During the legitimate anthrax crisis, Judith Miller sent herself and a few others fake anthrax to sell more books and get more attention after 9/11.

The Hollywood Jewish mafia is hounding me!

I don’t believe we ever landed on the moon.

I don’t believe Biden won in 2020, which doesn’t make me MAGA, I just think there were too many irregularities for it to have been on the up and up. I will say I think some high ranking Republicans played a part in the plot though.

And yes, I think 1/6 was largely staged too.

I believe multiple celebrities have faked their deaths (MJ, Tupac, James Dean)

I think Hollywood is terribly homophobic. Notice everybody is tolerant but there are plenty of closeted actors in fake relationships. Theater is full of openly gay actors and people still go see plays. If they don’t it’s not because they’re preoccupied with the sexual orientation of the actors. I think Hollywood is scared of losing money.

I think Diana was murdered. And I don’t think Harry is Charles’ son.

I think they know what happened to JonBenet Ramsey because whomever is guilty is connected.

OJ’s son killed Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson.

I also believe Super Bowl 50 was rigged.

Would you tell us R 61, what irregularities you're referring to w/regards to the 2020 election? Please explain what irregularities and if you wouldn't mind, please tell us where you heard about these irregularities. Thanks.

Jim Jones was working for the CIA. Jonestown was an experiment in mind control.

Covid is real but the mail-in ballots were a setup so they could put any with Trump's name on them in the shredder. He wasn't lying when he said it was stolen.

Jon Benet was killed by her parents.

That Kris was behind the camera on all 3 shoots…..directing and editing. Of course, she always kept out of the splash zone…..

I still cling to my conspiracy theory that HIV/AIDS was created in a lab and the "experiment" went drastically awry.

I'm also leaning the same way regarding COVID19.

In the next 5-10 years suicide rates are going to skyrocket...thanks to our pre-occupation with smartphones and social media (the DL is exempt as it is a refuge from the other crap out there).

R68 I know it's taboo to admit, but I've always thought the same. It was an accident that can't be admitted to.

What is the world coming to that Poisoned Dragon is making sense and making good points on a thread? R35 I think you're probably right.

I have the same question as r63.

I love these conspiracy theories! It's like with superstitions. I have to believe every single one i hear. I'm like that.

R63 and r71, Matt-facto doesn’t actually believe Biden lost or 1/6 was staged. They cheerfully repeat things they don’t believe in the hopes of fooling “independents” (aka “stupid people”).

[quote] which doesn’t make me MAGA,

That’s pretty much the definition of MAGA, lol.

MAGA TRASH ALERT, MAGA TRASH ALERT, MAGA TRASH ALERT @R61 and R65. We see you.

R61 No, you’re just a fucking average nut job.

Obama was actually born in Kenya and not, as we've been told, Hawaii. His name alone says, 'not from the United States'.

All the interracial couples on tv, especially black and white is a a concerted effort to get the black population below 10 percent again in the US in 50 years.

R76 Ok Boris.

People who believe conspiracy theories share similar characteristics. They’re prone to cults, being taken advantage of, giving money to the Prince of Nairobi. Of course crazy shit happens. Of course some things are lies. Of course secret societies exist ( we know of the secret Russian loving one in the GOP). The rich can and do all kinds of shit. 50% of them are likely sociopaths.

Having said all of that, you’ll drive yourself insane believing any of them.

R77 It has consistently been around 10-12% regardless.

I wish I could believe that r76 was making a joke.

Cops are going to start killing unarmed innocent black people on purpose, in order to cause riots (if they haven’t been doing so already).

Obama, like his parents, was CIA

[quote] I don’t believe Biden won in 2020, which doesn’t make me MAGA, I just think there were too many irregularities for it to have been on the up and up. I will say I think some high ranking Republicans played a part in the plot though.

[quote]And yes, I think 1/6 was largely staged too.

Don't look now, doc, but you might just be MAGA.

Justin Trudeau is Fidel Castro's son.

[quote] Obama, like his parents, was CIA

And?

What makes you think the moon landing was fake?

1/6 was staged alright. Trump, Roger Stone, Mark Meadows, Rudy ghooly were the stagers.

I think that the American elite know full well that "religion is the opiate of the masses" and pay strong lip service to it as a means of retaining their power and wealth. They know life is for the living, and thus engage in any behaviors they wish, but try to keep their irreligion from showing. They want as much of the populace enslaved by religious thoughts (cycle of sin, shame, forgiveness, unworthiness, rinse & repeat).

r85 = Jordan Peterson and/or Joe Rogan

5G radiation waves have fucked up my immune system.

R48 Well, if you’re the example I’d say it causes mental retardation.

COVID causes fatigue and brain fog. I know 2 people who haven’t recovered their sense of taste or smell in years after having COVID.

Elvis is alive and living in Kalamazoo, Michigan.

A lot of conspiracies are just things we want to believe.

Conspiracy theories are a master class in psyops.

I want Bigfoot to be real TBH.

R94 or things we don't want to be wrong or disappointed about.

[quote]I don’t really think we went to the moon either.

Welcome to Moron Central.

R94 I feel that way about conspiracies involving celebrity deaths. People worship and idolize celebrities so much that they see them as demigods who can't die like us "normal folk." There has to be some conspiracy surrounding it whether it's that they're faking their deaths or they were sacrificed as part of some big government/Illuminati conspiracy theory. I guess it sounds more glamorous and exciting that way.

The indigenous humans of Earth were all dark. Light skin/ light eyed “humans” came from a far away dying planet that had little sunlight over 9,000 years ago.

My 80-year-old dad insists the Kennedys had Marilyn killed because it justifies his feelings about the Kennedys being killed. "Those bastards got what they deserved!"

Judy Garland was a junkie.

The only one I really believe is that the mob killed JFK. Not the CIA, but they were so mobbed up and sleazy they couldn't afford to look too closely. Don't want too many unhealthy connections to get exposed.

I don’t believe Diana is buried on that island either. Wouldn’t the water table be too high?

The Apprentice is the main reason Trump isn't in a prison cell for all he has done. People still remember the entertainment he brought them over the years and think he's untouchable because he's a rich celebrity. Famous people rarely have real consequences for what they do.

R61 here.

I say I think the election was stolen for a number of reasons. For starters, I'll preface by saying that because I think the election was stolen doesn't mean I say that because I loved Trump so much. These irregularities and statistical anomalies just so happened to have taken place in 2020, when Trump and Biden was on the ticket.

I'll also say that much of my speculation doesn't exist in a vacuum. As you'll see, a lot of this is in comparison to elections going back over a century, not some argument specifically designed to explain why Trump lost. Any one of these on its own may not mean much, or even two, but all of them existing in one election is cause for concern.

So here's my list and I'll be brief so the trolls will have enough grist to chew on:

1. Trump managed to add ten million votes to his total from 2016 and still lost. For context, it's been well over a century since an incumbent President gained votes and still lost. Meanwhile, Biden managed to get almost eighty million votes...that's more than Obama got in 2012. Does Biden seem more popular than Obama was, like, ever?

2. Republicans picked up seats at the local, state, and federal level...but Trump lost? They were defending House and Senate seats and managed to keep most of them and pick up seats, but not enough Republicans turned out to re-elect Trump? Put a different way. Biden is this historically popular candidate (if you buy the numbers), but that phenomena didn't carry the Democrat Party writ large? Since when does that happen? And on a national scale.

3. Trump won FL and OH, the two states we know election observers pay close attention to since they tend to decide our elections and have for almost a century. Biden managed to win despite losing both states?

4. People talk about "battleground states", but nobody mentions the bellwether counties that historically have predicted the President for well over a century. Typically whichever candidate wins the majority of these counties becomes President, and that was even true when we nominated and elected our first Black President. Out of the 19 bellwether counties, Trump won like 18 of them. Biden literally won one and still managed to win. He won one bellwether county to managed to run the table on the battleground states?

5. Piggybacking off #4, Biden managed to underperform virtually all over the country except the battleground states he had to win. In Milwaukee, Detroit, Philly, and Atlanta, Biden voters turned out in droves...but liberal enclaves where his popularity should have been palpable, it was substandard (comparing that to Hillary, who managed to win the popular vote and still lost).

6. And let's remember something: Biden *barely* won the DNC Primary. Mayor Pete and Bernie won Primaries. Then all of a sudden, Pete and Klobuchar dropped out of the race days before the SC Primary. Two candidates dropped out before Joe won a single primary.

7. The weirdness with the burst pipes and the temporary halt on counting ballots in the swing states made me raise an eyebrow. Trust me, I've read the full "there's nothing to worry about, honest, trust us" explanations from "reliable sources". I don't buy it. I think all of that was just a way to see how much Joe needed to win each battleground state. I wouldn't even blame Biden votes for being skeptical if the reverse were true. If there was some hanky-panky going on in a battleground state and then all of a sudden Trump won. It would look suspicious.

8. Courts in three of the battleground states have found that unilateral decisions made in 2020 were against the law and/or unconstitutional. PA, MI, and WI have all had under-reported court decisions on this.

I just don't buy it was valid.

Each and every one of your points has been explained. But you do you.

To top all that off, Biden's been struggling and underwater in the polls for well over a year now. How does a candidate garner an historic number of votes and then not even six months into his Presidency you have members of his own party speculating whether they want him to run for re-election? And he's consistently floundering in the polls? And his party is barely doing any better? If Biden's agenda was so popular, why did Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin feel safe in thumbing their nose at it all last year? Put a different way, if Trump was so unpopular, why is almost every Republican who goes against him now looking at losing their seat or getting Primaried? It's just too many variables all at once to make me think anything other than they cheated. Sorry.

R106 ahahahahahahahaha

R108 Trump NEVER got above 50% approval. I think it is suspect Trump got more votes being the most unpopular incumbent in history.

true r107, the basic explanation was that Trump was such a fuckup, and had proved himself such a fuckup in the pandemic, but really for four years of being a corrupt fuckup in every area possible, a guy whose only interest was fucking around and yelling at the many, many, many people he hated, that people who still wanted to vote for Republicans in other offices just couldn't bring themselves to vote for this fuckup once again. So many that periodically somebody mentions something like, say, BUYING GREENLAND, and I am reminded that fuck that fuckup really was ridiculous and stupid throughout his presidency. And of course, then he got pissed at Denmark for laughing at him, because being stupid and then getting pissed at everyone for laughing at him was his M.O. always.

The other thing of course, again related to the pandemic, was the ease of voting by mail, and the fact that so many more people took advantage of that to vote. A reminder that more people would vote if it were easier, and a reason that Republicans are absolutely determined to shut that shit down whenever and wherever possible, because they really, really hate voting.

R109 Not really. It's not hard to conceive that the polls routinely underestimated Trump's popularity, especially when you consider the polls in Ohio and Florida that showed Joe with a commanding lead but he wound losing both states (especially Ohio).

R111 how convenient!

There is really no point in arguing with a conspiracy theorist. They don't come to a conlcusion based on evidence. They come to a conclusion first then look to support the conclusion. If one of your arguments is something like this -- "bellwether counties that historically have predicted the President for well over a century" -- there is no hope.

Q nut alert! R106

It was a historically high turnout. More voters came out for Biden then, like most Americans, think it’s swell to split ticket and have divided govt.

Simple explanations and we aren’t going to have your BS. Trump lost. Twice.

If it weren't for the pandemic, Trump would still be in office today. He fucked it up so royally that even many of his most loyal supporters turned on him. And it impacted every single citizen of the country so it couldn't have been overlooked. If he had handled it better, he could've won.

R115 Perhaps. The economy was already going in the shitter by early 2020. If we went into recession for reasons besides the pandemic he would have lost.

R114 Yeah, the theory that there were more voters simply because the rules were relaxed to allow more mail-in votes and absentee ballots is a convenient theory, but I don't buy that either as an explanation for all of the irregularities and anomalies I listed (that neither you nor anyone else can refute since they're FACTS).

Even if it's easier to vote, you'd still need some type of groundswell of support for one candidate to get that many votes. Joe barely campaigned due to COVID and his health, and Kamala barely polled at an asterisk so it's not like she helped him out that much.

you may be right r115, and that is really a horrible thought. He pretty much announced every day that he had no business being president, did not give a fuck about the job, did not give a fuck about the country, was completely interested only in attention, adulation, and stealing, but yes, it is entirely possible this country in its chronic stupidity might have re-elected him, cause furriners or some stupid shit. Sadly sometimes it doesn't take an elaborate conspiracy, just a bunch of chronically stupid marks.

Hitler in no way committed suicide. I completely believed he escaped to Argentina. Mengele to Brazil (which isn’t a conspiracy theory).

I believe most Western religions are complete and total pyramid schemes and cash scams. Especially The Vatican. They've brainwashed entire generations into thinking they cannot do any harm. Instead, they suck the light out of a room, abuse and hurt children, abandoned LGB people, and guilt their members into anxiety disorders. The Catholic Church is a scummy organization and needs to be exposed, and shut down by the world.

Trump had low approval ratings even before the pandemic hit

R115 Despite his "fuck ups", like I said, he got ten million more votes than he did in 2016. Not only that but apparently he made in-roads with Black and Hispanic voters, which most Republicans could not do. Who did he fuck it up with if he did demonstrably better in 2020 than 2016?

Where he lived totally quietly r119, as what? a house painter? And nobody ever said anything about it all, ever again? The guy that almost ruled the world killing millions along the way just said, yeah, the jig is up, time to retire? I think that just doesn't work longterm.

[quote] that neither you nor anyone else can refute since they're FACTS

Except that they are not or are not significant facts. Biden lost Ohio and Florida and still won is true, but it signifies nothing.

The bellwether counties "fact" is also true but signifies nothing. Demographics shift over time and there is nothing magical about "bellwether" counties. They are just a statistical anomoly. Saying it is suspicious that a President won without winning the "bellwether" counties is like saying a President couldn't win while being Black. "It has never happened before! Someone must have cheated!" No, just because something happened to be true in the past is no indication that it will be true in the future.

R122 A historically unpopular president, who never broke 50% approval who fucked up a pandemic on an epic scale, gets MORE votes than last time, makes inroads with historically Democratic voters namely POC while being overtly racist, yet that isn’t suspicious? MY SIDES! If anyone cheated, it was that mother fucker. He just didn’t cheat enough to win.

Biden made up for Florida and Ohio by winning Georgia and Arizona and Wisconsin.

The Q troll is just coming out to play, isn’t it ? Block it and behold the racism.

What’s the point of this thread? ^

You cannot make a big deal out of the small gains Trump made with Blacks and tiny gain he made with Hispanics and just completely ignore the much more signficant gains Biden made with suburban voters and men.

Again, the conspiracy theorist comes to a conclusion then looks for confirming data and ignores all contradictory data while making something out of nothing.

OH is not a bellwether anymore. Many counties aren’t bellwethers anymore. 2020 was easy to explain- voters hated Trump, yet he really excited the non-voting racists, and voters were angry at Democrats for the lockdowns as if they were the only ones who did it. Result- Biden wins, Republicans gain in Congress. It’s not rocket science.

Here is a quick and easy fact check on the "bellwether counties" nonsense.

If we went to the moon, why has no one been back since 1969? Harry is Charles'. he looks like Prince Philip and has Charles' bald patch at the back.

R125 I don't agree with your characterization, but put that to the side for a second. Your perception of Trump may be the party-line for Democrats, but you do understand that's not true for Republicans overall, right? If Trump was so bad that it pushed eighty million people into Biden's arms despite an overall lack of enthusiasm for him, why does Trump still enjoy a majority of support from his party? Republicans "missed" the fact that he "fucked up a pandemic on an epic scale" and is "overtly racist"? Trump being hated by the left might mean that Democrats will turn out to vote for an uninspiring candidate just because it's Trump, but in order to argue objectively that Trump was a uniquely bad candidate you would have to show the fall off between him and his party. But there hasn't been.

R132 why go back? There’s nothing there.

R133 Poor dear. Republicans are a shrinking party. They’ve lost 7 out of 8 popular votes. They’re the ones cheating. Rove’s face on election night 2012 was a huge tell. People didn’t need to “love” Biden. They just needed to hate the worst president ever, Man baby Trump. That’s plenty and will be plenty again. Suck it up, buttercup.

[quote]If we went to the moon, why has no one been back since 1969?

There were six Apollo missions from 1969 to 1972.

[quote] but in order to argue objectively that Trump was a uniquely bad candidate you would have to show the fall off between him and his party. But there hasn't been.

That is classic begging the question. You have baked into your question the answer you want as if that is the only answer. But there are plenty of ways to argue that Trump was a uniquely bad candidate despite his party support. His support may remain constant, but the party may be shrinking as a result of his being a uniquely bad candidate, for example.

Thanks for giving a perfect example of the real meaning of the phrase "begging the question."

I believe Hillary physically attacked people on election night 2016.

Robby Mook was a likely victim, and possibly others.

[quote]If Trump was so bad that it pushed eighty million people into Biden's arms despite an overall lack of enthusiasm for him, why does Trump still enjoy a majority of support from his party?

This is just so wrongheaded. Trump did not start with those 80 million inclined to vote for him but "pushing" them into Biden's arms. Both Trump and Biden brought a lot of new voters in, but what REALLY brought a lot of new voters in was the fact that it was easier to vote by mail, and a lot of people did it. Voting overall went from about 62% to about 67%, overall. A whole lot more voters to draw from. And new voters did split a little more for Biden.

But more what seems to have happened is Biden didn't "push" some big voting blocks toward Trump, in the way that unfortunately Hillary did. I don't know that it was actually Hillary's fault, but white males hated her more than they hated Biden. The Non-college educated too, apparently. Suburbanites gave Trump a chance in 2016, but were done with, yes, the fuckup, in 2020. These changed things dramatically. Both in a sense "gained" voters, but Biden gained more and pulled enough previous voters into his camp to give him the overall victory, substantially.

I'm not sure that's a conspiracy r138, and honestly Robby Mook probably did deserve a bitch slapping. Although, maybe so did Hillary for thinking some "numbers guy whiz kid" was the key to victory.

R130 You can't just say that and have us assume it's true. You can't take an election that many people believe was stolen and fashion a theory to explain it away just so you don't have to engage with the possibility of wrongdoing.

You could come up with a theory why any candidate wins or loses. There's nothing special about that. It doesn't make a ton of sense, and I suspect history will be even more skeptical than people are willing to admit now, that Biden would lose the bellwether counties quite handily, but win all the battleground states, but Republicans would manage to defend every seat they had and pick up seats, but Trump lost. That's not how elections work and they never have.

When Obama ran in 2008, Democrats won big right along with him. It would make no sense whatsoever for Obama to win but Congressional Democrats manage to lose seats. Obama's popularity tracked. Both he and Hillary were big draws during the Primary, and that resulted in a high turnout for Obama in the General election. Biden had a consistent lack of enthusiasm -- he still does! -- and yet he managed to defy virtually all the odds.

I 100% believe Hillary Clinton was in on this.

R141 I’m not reading your long Q nonsense.

[quote]Biden had a consistent lack of enthusiasm -- he still does!

Not with me. I supported Biden in 2007. I was part of his 3% support. I voted for Obama solely (and only) because of Joe Biden. I’m enthusiastic for him, absolutely.

[quote] You can't take an election that many people believe was stolen and fashion a theory to explain it away just so you don't have to engage with the possibility of wrongdoing.

You can't just believe an election was stolen on no actual evidence. But here we are.

The past does not predict the future.

Biden has been amazing!

[quote]Biden had a consistent lack of enthusiasm -- he still does!

So did Trump, overall. Yes, he has a solid core of fanatics, but most of America rejected him, right from the start of his presidency. As has been pointed out, he never topped 50%. He probably didn't care, since he's a natural cult leader and never anyone who cared about actually being the president of the whole country, but still, it was a fact of his political life. He could only ever get a minority of Americans to like him.

Show biz has been covering up murders forever. People who know things know enough to play along and not make waves.

Philip Seymour Hoffman was murdered by the Church of Scieno as retribution for THE MASTER, an anti-Scieno film.

Brittany Murphy was murdered by her husband, Simon Monjack, and possibly her mother, Sharon (who may have been having an affair with Monjack. Monjack died months later under mysterious circumstances).

Kurt Cobain was murdered by wife Courtney Love.

Thomas King was the Hollywood columnist for the Wall Street Journal. In 2000, he published THE OPERATOR, an unflattering in-depth bio of mogul David Geffen. Three years later, King died at age 39 under mysterious circumstances.

R139 Harping on the "ease" of mail-in voting is actually part of the reason why I think the election was stolen. Mail-in voting is notoriously unsecure and makes it very easy for people to theoretically cheat. It would have made more sense if Biden had won and there hadn't been such a "high turn out" comparatively speaking.

Biden didn't bring out new voters to anywhere near the same extent Trump did. Again, this is evidenced by his gaining ground with the African-American and Latino community. It's also evidenced by the fact that Republicans gained ground in Congress while Democrats lost it. It's virtually impossible that Biden would have gotten enough votes to beat Trump (who picked up 10M more votes) but Democrats would lag in the same election. Like I'm not making stuff up here or trying to introduce some wild theory -- this is literally Election Politics 101. And it makes no sense that Biden voters' enthusiasm would lag virtually everywhere but the battleground states. And why didn't we see this type of support for Biden in the Primaries? Biden's popularity trended much like McCain's did in 2008 -- an elderly candidate who has been running for President for decades and kissed the ring long enough finally got his shot when the party had no other viable options, so people held their nose and voted for him. The only difference is nobody ever tried to argue McCain was the most popular Presidential candidate in US History.

[quote]Thanks for giving a perfect example of the real meaning of the phrase "begging the question."

Yes, this, it may be off topic, but yes, this is absolutely one of those phrases that is used least correctly. Every time somebody says "It begs the question ..." they will be entirely wrong about what that means.

The only one worse: Immaculate Conception.

I know you can’t argue with a conspiracy theorist but:

[quote] I don’t think a plane crashed into the Pentagon.

I know someone who died on that plane. And oddly enough, my first indication that morning that 9/11 was happening was because I was in an unusually tall building for DC and looked across the Potomac and saw smoke coming out of the Pentagon. The people I was with were debating whether there was some kind of construction accident. Then someone rushed in and told us about the WTC planes.

Okay, r149, you are now living entirely in a fantasy. Mail-in voting is not "notoriously unsecure," and virtually no Republican thought that a few years ago. Virtually nobody did. That doctrine was invented entirely for the Trumpistas and continues to be based entirely on fantasies like yours.

At what point will you admit you love and worship Trump and think he should have been allowed to steal the 2020 election?

[quote]I say I think the election was stolen for a number of reasons. For starters, I'll preface by saying that because I think the election was stolen doesn't mean I say that because I loved Trump so much.

When you start off a long post with an obvious lie, it makes me disinclined to read the rest of what you have to say.

[quote] Mail-in voting is notoriously unsecure and makes it very easy for people to theoretically cheat.

It is not "notoriously unsecure." There is no evidence of this assertion.

[quote] It would have made more sense if Biden had won and there hadn't been such a "high turn out" comparatively speaking.

Why? This is an assertion without any argumentation.

[quote] Biden didn't bring out new voters to anywhere near the same extent Trump did.

This is demonstrably false. The Pew Research article above demonstrates this is wrong.

[quote] Again, this is evidenced by his gaining ground with the African-American and Latino community.

This is demonstrably false. A small gain in a minority community is easily outweighed by a small gain in a much larger community. And this is exactly what happened.

[quote] It's also evidenced by the fact that Republicans gained ground in Congress while Democrats lost it.

No, that is due to gerrymandering and people splitting their vote, as has been established by actual research.

[quote] It's virtually impossible that Biden would have gotten enough votes to beat Trump (who picked up 10M more votes) but Democrats would lag in the same election.

Not at all. Just saying something doesn't make it so. And the evidence is to the contrary.

[quote] Like I'm not making stuff up here or trying to introduce some wild theory -- this is literally Election Politics 101.

No, you very much are making it up and your arguments would be laughed out of a political science class just as they were laughed out of courts.

Jeff Epstein DID commit suicide. He had nothing to live for. The party was over, he knew he was in prison for life. No more chicks, no more islands and mansions and fancy parties and fancy friends.

All this stuff about how he was murdered is just to take the heat off everyone else in his life.

Actually THAT one r155, yeah I guess I do wonder about that one. cameras off. guards dicking around suddenly. Hmmm, I guess I do wonder about that one.

I agree on R155. He know the party was over. But on the other hand, there were a lot of big names in his little black book that seemed to die with him. But I still think he committed suicide. He would not have cared about other people. He was a sexual predator.

^^^knew

[quote]If we went to the moon, why has no one been back since 1969?

This is the level of intelligence and knowledge we're dealing with when it comes to most conspiracy theories.

R123 Good point. It would be too difficult for a person who was adored by millions to live a secluded life.

the widespread influence of so called "political" lesbians (that are very hostile against actual lesbians unless they subscribe to the cult and avoid the 'sins' of it)... to which people tell me they don't exist or they're a small fringe group with no real power while they uplift many of the women they don't realize that are part of this group because they usually present themselves as lesbians that are political, and then said people proceed to use the same language, quotes, references, and inevitably positions as pol does in their own politics.

The trans movement is a conspiracy to sterilize young people on the autism spectrum.

MTF AGF trans is a part of a mind control experiment to gaslight society to see how much of women's rights and identity "the woke" can be convinced to sacrifice.

Black Lives Matter was taken over by corrupt whites in power attempting to start a race war.

The government isn't sure the COVID vaccines are safe but they keep this hidden because COVID is much more dangerous than the government wants to admit.

Prince Harry is attempting to punish the royal family because he thinks they killed his mother. He only married Meg to use her as a weapon.

Some actors in Hollywood are not real people but CGI creations.

Certain people and animals die before their time because of a lottery system we don't understand.

COVID is in all the animals, including most family pets.

and just who is running this lottery system

The recent Polio outbreak started due to a time traveler from the past or something from the past that somehow came into the present in an unplanned fashion.

R170 you know

Yes R171 - if by “the past” you mean shithole countries that live in the past

Lobotomy is still secretly practiced in the US, among the rich and powerful, in attempts to control people they want to keep alive. Britney Spears is a victim of lobotomy. The head shaving incident occurred around the time of her procedure.

Bipolar and borderline aren't real conditions. They are terms invented to explain why victims of abuse act out in adulthood due to childhood trauma in an attempt to make victims of abuse appear unstable and untrustworthy.

Speaking of stolen elections. Whether it's Bush and Gore, Hillary and Trump, or Biden and Trump. I believe the presidential election is always predecided. Who does this? Call them the Shadow Government, or the Global Elite.The whole thing is theater.

[quote]Yes [R171] - if by “the past” you mean shithole countries that live in the past

This is the reason for the new polio epidemic.

The US is getting rid of abortion rights in poorer states because the birth rate is declining in the US, and poor women are only valuable to the rich if they increase the birthrate to provide future workers and soldiers.

The trans people know they can't change their gender. They just enjoying creating drama and want attention because they feel invisible.

I believe we went to Mars

R179 Give it a fucking rest. JFC. I SHIT you not, replies R161-172, 174-175, 178-179 is the SAME GODDAMN person. Block one and you’ll see. I KNEW it. Also, 157-158. They’re spamming this board. All late at night. Russian trolls. OF COURSE they’re the anti-trans troll.

18 replies, 11 in a row, in 7 hours, from one poster. 11 in a row. 161-172. One poster. I am sick of these trolls spamming us. And its replies are all batshit crazy.

Philip Seymour Hoffman was was given a bad batch of heroin from the Scientologists.

Many darlings of the progressive left are either useful idiots or outright plants of the right to cause political, cultural and/or economic disruption that almost always benefits the right, Bernie, Corbyn, Assange, Greta, some of the Squad, etc.

I almost put this on a political thread, but I think it really belongs here. It is a common belief in Texas that Beto O'Rourke is on the payroll of the Nueva Generación de Jalisco drug cartel (the cartel that controls Juarez and western Texas.)

Mostly because his Senate campaign engaged in secret "humanitarian relief" efforts for migrants that essentially amounted to acting as a link in a human trafficking pipeline.

I obviously believe this one, but it's not like I have proof so it's just a theory.

The cop that arrested Sandra Bland was too rough with her. When he hit her head on the ground it caused her to have a severe seizure and die in the cop car before she even got to the station. The other cops knew he was in deep shit so they helped him cover it up and make it look like a suicide, even propping up her dead body to take a mugshot.

Yes r171 - if by “the past” you mean shitstains who refuse to have their kids vaccinated.

There’s a sect within the Freemasons that ritually abused children.

Trump tried and succeeded in stealing the 2016 election; Trump tried and failed to steal the 2020 election. He had the same cronies working the numbers both times, but people had cottoned on by the time 2020 came around.

Hulu has a great documentary called Active Measures all about Putin and how he helped trump get elected. very interesting and not a conspiracy theory.

R152 That is a damn lie. People have been talking about mail-in and the potential for fraud for decades. There’s a NYT article from 2012 talking about how it by Adam Liptak, and there was a committee formed in 2005 that was headed up by Jimmy Carter who found the same thing. Of course there are a number of articles and studies done — Bill Barr even said as much a few months before the 2030 election before he switched up — but you don’t care because your guy won.

Holy shit! What a bunch of fucking morons. It's possible some of you are being ironic or satirical, but not all of you.

R163 thinks a group of people who make up .6% of the population are destroying women's rights 🤔🙄

But not the conservatives banning abortion and even trying to limit birth control

The CIA funded psychological experimentation on children during the Cold War and it’s mostly been covered up.

CDAN yesterday - not saying I believe it 100%, but...

One of the doctors who is being interviewed by Congress as part of his experience with psychological operations for the government, specifically, the military and CIA is mentioned in the second earliest court report, as a treating doctor of this permanent A list "singer." Britney Spears

(Pentagon opens sweeping review of clandestine psychological operations)

(Britney Spears was reportedly evaluated by a 'retired geriatric psychiatrist' in 2008 when the conservatorship was established)

Any examples R167?

[quote] There’s a NYT article from 2012 talking about how it by Adam Liptak

If you actually read the article, dumbass, instead of just repeating a talking point some cultist gave you, you would know that Liptak did NOT warn against fraud. He warned against votes NOT being counted because of ballots not being properly filled out. You might also see if election boards have taken steps to reduce the number of spoiled mailed-in ballots.

Stop drinking the kool-aid, moron.

There was never such a person as Osama Bin Laden. The US government had an actor they contacted to make a video every so often when they needed to drum up a little fear to fulfill an agenda. When they had no more use for the character, they retired it by "killing" him.

It's strange that there seems to be just one picture of Christina Grimmie's killer in existence. He lived for 27 years and it seems as if his picture was taken just once during all that time? I think they gave us a fake picture and name because they didn't want the real killer acquiring any notoriety off of the killing.

R198 Republicans would NEVER allow that to happen under Democrats.

R185 ahahahahahahahaha that’s insane

R47 How is that a conspiracy?

I'm upset about Erick Adame. I can't reconcile he was a meth whore. He always seemed like a nice healthy guy that I watched every morning on NY1.

I too believe HIV/AIDS was manufactured in a lab and I don't believe it was an accident

Too lazy to find the posts, but I don't think Charlize shot her father at all. I believe Charlize's father's family who say Gerda (Charlize's mom) was the one with a temper and shot him out of anger but they didn't want to push it because Gerda might be found guilty and leave Charlize without both parents.

Both Gerda and Charlize have cold, sociopathic demeanors. They absolutely seem like women who would dispose of someone who irritated or disobeyed them but it's far more likely that the teenage Charlize did not have anything to do with her father's murder.

The great reset or life by subscription. Notice all those companies buying up huge amounts of property for you to rent? Even your smart phone doesn't last more than a few years-apple already admitted to slowing it down through forced updates. You will own nothing and by happy.

Many trans MTF are attempting to become women because their dicks don't work. They feel such shame about their dicks that they need to be shamed in what they imagine is the worst way to feel turned on. That's how the fetish develops--since men can imagine no worse shame than being treated like a woman. Most MTF hate women and thus develop a fetish of wanting to be treated like a woman to feel dominated, basically forcing all of society into their S&M fetish.

R203 Whether unfortunately or not, that's not how HIV/AIDS began.

"Most MTF hate women and thus develop a fetish of wanting to be treated like a woman to feel dominated, basically forcing all of society into their S&M fetish."

Most Americans don't even know a trans person but, sure, they're "forcing" all of america into their "fetish"

Conservatives who say shit like that usually think homosexuality is a fetish, too

20 years ago I didn't know a single person, including myself, who had ever seen a trans person R208...20 years later it is no longer the case.

Only 42% of Americans say they know someone trans. That means 58% don't.

Osama Bin Laden could have been captured alive without undue risk.

George Bush 2nd started war with Iraq in order to (try to) finish what George Bush 1st started (with Iraq).

Kathy Griffin did NOT have lung cancer. She had a GGO and decided to have radical surgery treatment so that she can constantly refer to herself as a lung cancer survivor.

(She didn't plan on the surgeon permanently damaging her vocal chords) Just a week ago she was begging TWITTER followers for referrals to cancer doctors and and gastroenterologists - because she said her surgeon and doctors "ghosted" her.

What is a GGO?

R210 - 42% of Americans don't *realize* they know someone trans. That's a more accurate statement.

R210 - oops wrote that too quickly and didn't pay attention Substitute 58% for the 42% above while I go "oh, dear" myself in a corner!

I don’t “believe” conspiracy theories in general because they lack truth. The end.

[quote] 42% of Americans don't *realize* they know someone trans.

Oh, please. All of them announce it at every in-person and online opportunity.

Liars get cancer.

That 85% of women in the public eye are transgendered.

Well, in general yes r217, but do you believe Watergate happened? Do you believe there were conspiracies within the Nixon White House to commit crimes to ensure his re-election? Do you believe there were further conspiracies by top Nixon officials and Nixon himself to cover up those crimes?

Conspiracy does not equal conspiracy theory. There is a difference. A conspiracy theory is something you "know" to be true regardless of a complete lack of actual evidence.

I gradually came to accept the Melania double twitter conspiracy. There are many pictures and posts about this over his term. Melania is 5"11, broad shouldered, statuesque, strong features. I read that Michael Cohen said there was a double on the campaign, and that sometimes her sister filled in. The woman shown in pictures on the video posted is slight, shorter, and prettier.

That Mozart didn't really write any of the Requiem. (although it's not just me)

I went down the MK Ultra rabbit hole awhile back after reading about all the hidden details in “Eyes Wide Shut.”

R216 The single greatest delusion (of dozens) manifested by trans individuals is the belief they are uniformly unclockable. Psychologically, it seems they MUST believe this to function.

Shiloh Pitt never wanted to dress like a boy, but Angelina forced her to like Aunt Martha from Sleepaway Camp because she wanted to look hip, edgy, and open minded by having a "trans" child.

It's suspicious the Royal Family of Britain doesn't eat shell fish.

OMG I think Charlize Theron did kill her father, that makes so much sense to me for some reason.

That all the male members of the British Royal Family are gay/bi.

[quote]Osama Bin Laden could have been captured alive without undue risk.

R211 You are correct. He was trapped in the mountain caves of Tora Bora but Mattis couldn't get approval to flush him out and capture. Bin Laden escaped to Pakistan that time.

I don't think fluoride is added to our water for dental health.

How about everything is just political theater and most politicians and people in positions of power just get off on moving the chess pieces because they're basic people and not really remotely intelligent in any other way than they did really well in school (basically describes 99% of law degrees).

I believe that Michael Jordan's dad was killed as a warning to Michael to pay his enormous gambling debts.

MK Ultra was the CIA dry run for something, and when it was ready they implemented it on the public at large using corporations as a front. Disney, for instance.

Barely a theory, since the timing matches up so perfectly:

Facebook was actually a DARPA program called Lifelog. Lifelog was decommissioned the same day Facebook went online.

Bill Cosby put a hit on his son

Republicans ,and their rich donors, want to enslave 80% of the country.

I think people in power know global warming is going to devastate the planet and that’s why they are busy consolidating their power and hoping many people die from disease, neglect, and natural disasters.

R239 Well, outlawing abortion isn’t going to get that accomplished.

DL is moderated by two meerkats who are often drunk.

Welp, there goes my theory r240!

Skull & Bones retreats on their private Deer Island are mostly gay orgies.

South Africa kept a few nukes. Possibly Ukraine. Switzerland developed nukes for 30 years and claims they never made any. Yeah, right. Japan has some.

R239 agree

I knew it was over for most of us when Musk, Bezos, Gates started competing to be first in space, inviting other celebs to catch a ride. Those fuckers are planning to have a place to go and a way to get there while the rest of humanity suffers and dies on Planet Wasteland.

Bill Gates is funding a space program?

Jewish space lasers??

R247 I told ya!

R245, Do they have a club name? Like maybe The Order of the Ugly Rich Guys?

R245 That's the Alfalfa Club in DC. Most of the members are ugly rich guys.

The Alfalfa Club rules our government and economy

R245 if they believe that they are really stupid. There is no planet close enough for anyone to live on. People keep saying mars but mars is full of enough radiation that if you went outside you would die. They have never found a planet that wouldn't take 100,000s of years to get to. One light year equals 50,000 years and most planets are many light years away. The rich will die with everyone else when the planet becomes too hot and that time is not very far off.

John Paul II was a Nazi collaborator before AND after World War iI. His friend Wolf Smuzness was responsible for the spread of HIV in New York City.

*see Richard Gehlen

I think David Spade has the biggest dick in the biz.

I am too lazy to find Charlize's post about Charlize not being a murderess to say: Girl, I still love you, but we both know you'd do anything to succeed.

I think Maxine Waters the backup singer Maxine Waters the politician are the same person.

Is it clever make up, green screen, or full body suit, R257? The wigs make more sense, though. You might not be the only one who believes this now.

No R37 they are two different people who used to confuse the two and would be calling the Politician for backup singers but she was not the same Maxine waters. They don't even look alike.

I love how R106 thinks he's divulging super top secret info that the right hasn't been pushing for years at this point.

Well done dude. You're a Fox News watcher. Good for you.

Thanks for letting us into the fascinating recesses of your astute mind.

Everyone knows, if they're willing to be honest, that the 2020 election was stolen.

Some people find this acceptable because Biden won in the end and they think it was worth it.

Sooner or later the truth will finally be unavoidable and that's the lie that will be peddled- that Trump is such an evil terrible fascist dictator that Democrats were forced to steal the election to protect the country.

American Mayflower descendants and Robber Barron oldish money families have top secret techniques to ensure the men are tall and have huge cocks. Gloria Vanderbilt was a rebel and didn't follow these techniques so her sons are/were ordinary specimens.

Everyone knows the 2016 election was stolen.

FIFY.

R251 JFC that is a stupid conspiracy theory.

R261 Everyone knows it was almost stolen- by putrid Republicans who stole the 2016 election. That’s why the Right has been aghast since- much like Rove in 2012- they felt they did enough to win. They didn’t count on even more voters coming out voting for Biden.

I think the third secret of Fatima revealed by the Vatican was fake. The real secret was that the Roman Catholic church is corrupt and evil. No way was the Vatican going to reveal that.

The US Census was used against Japanese Americans during World War II, and the new invasive offshoots of the Census (the National Health Interview Survey amd the American Community Survey) are dangerous; they catalog intimate details of citizens, and they are unrelated to the decennial survey used for apportionment.

I have a friend who was selected for the American Community Survey years ago and it scared her. First, she answered a long survey she thought was invasive because it asked about income, savings, other personal info. Then the field worker told her she'd have to keep all her grocery, drug store, etc. receipts and turn them in to the field worker weekly. She said that was too far, and the field worker told her she is obligated and if she forgets, she could go to jail, so try to remember. My friend stayed away from her home to avoid the woman and one day she got home around 10pm, and the field worker was waiting on her porch for the receipts.

She warned me to ignore the Census when I got a notice I was selected for the National Health Interview Survey. I looked up the survey and it's about 400 pages (really) of questions that ask everything you can imagine about your sex life, your food habits, how much you sleep, diagnosed illnesses, undiagnosed symptoms, drugs you take, TV watching and Internet browsing habits. I couldn't believe it. The CDC website that describes it (CDC partners with the US Census Bureau to send its workers to collect data) says the survey is voluntary. So I told them I wanted to opt out. They said no, you can't. O said the info says it is voluntary and I wouldn't volunteer. The field worker literally told me she would be made to stalk me if I opted out and "it will be easier just to comply." I told her that freaked me out and she then told me "there are other ways to get the information, so you may as well just tell us." I read the field worker manual, downloaded from the CDC website, and it actually instructs them "not to take no for an answer," tells them how to coerce and stalk people—being careful to "look around property, in windows, ask neighbors about the respondents comings and goings but DO NOT place your hand in their mailbox." It's fucking scary.

The field worker assured me the responses are anonymous and there's no way to tie the response to me individually or know I participated. I asked if that is true, then how do they know to stop harassing me? She said that the results are tied to my social security number. I said that's personally identifying, and she said, "oh yeah, I guess you got me there."

R266 yikes!

All Christians in the US secretly understand they are working in the interests of evil, not good, and they love it and fear it. They don't quite believe in heaven and hell, but they get off on and also are completely freaked out by knowing that they would go to hell if it were real.

I think their psyches are a lot like those of gay people who live as straight people. They are overt hypocrites who tell the world one thing and live in direct opposition but deny it. They know people see through it and it keeps them in a constant state of near-panic, and it makes them edgy and hostile toward others, and most of all self-destructive.

But American Christians absolutely do not follow teachings attributed to Jesus Christ and any of them who knows anything about what Jesus Christ said know that fully.

Also, Catholics are fine with children being raped. They don't care. They pay their money to the church and underwrite the abuses and secretly think it's a sacred tradition or something to sexually abuse children. I have a friend who sent her kids to Catholic school and she told her son to tell her IMMEDIATELY if he is ever molested or raped by a priest. But she put him in the position to be, and she knew it might happen, and so I think part of her wanted it to happen.

There are kids being raped at these drag clubs that host events for kids. Pretty obvious, I think. Their parents are complicit. That drag kid Denis, the Canadian one, was absolutely sexually abused.

R269 What???

Just because someone dresses in drag does not make them a child molester. Damn. What's the matter with you.?

Some genuinely bizarre shit in this thread.

I question if 911 was a controlled demolition (how would the US possibly stay whole if THAT were confirmed) but that's pretty much it for my conspiracy theories.

There's definitely fucked up power play elitist shit happening in Hollywood and Washington but I sure as hell can't keep track of it all.

And no, sorry, MJ the walking corpse did not fake his death. He just died from overworking his body, having a ton of injuries, having an eating disorder, being a pedophile, being mentally fucked up, and taking DRUGS to go to sleep. Come on now.

We're damn lucky Biden became President and those who want to argue in Shithead's favor really make me sick. Trump is a DICTATOR. He was NEVER going to give up power.

I definitely think the climate change situation is worse than we're being lead to believe. All this "if we make changes over the next ten years...." stuff is hopeful and worthwhile but probably like telling a chain smoker to puff one less cigarette a day.

We need to reorganize how we create goods and build companies and the rich would really have to care more about the masses than they do for that to ever be their priority.

But I DO believe the public will be the real agent of change, forcing companies to stop. It just isnt happening enough now, with the focus always shifting to other things.

^I didn't say the queens are pedophiles, I said that the clubs are being used as venues for child sexual abuse. Drag is sexual, that's why it's fun! It's probably straight pedophiles pushing the whole thing.

These financially struggling clubs get clientele, the queens get tips and local recognition, and all they have to do is let the people in and look the other way if there's anything else going on. Which they absolutely will, since it doesn't personally involve them anyway.

You want to call me a homophobe. Wait a few years and I'll be proven right. TRUST.

R270 --What did you mean by "I question if 911 was a controlled demolition"? How would that work,who would do it, and what would be the motives? Are you suggesting the US wanted the towers demolished for some reason? If so, why?

That Tony the Tiger is really Captain Crunch in furrie cos play.

Yes R221 but those are not conspiracy theories. They are validated and recorded history. Plus, I was a teenager glued to the TV during the hearings.

AN’s hole is - immaculate, in pristine condition and still tight. It’s possible, right? Or are my dreams clashing with the harsh realities of life.

If a guy is in his 30s, still unmarried and childless (esp if single and ghewd-lewking) and never posts pic with women on IG, he's a closet case 🤔

Are you talking about that cobbler with whom you're so taken, R277?

Let's say surprisingly few people believe it: The Chinese government rigs TikTok's algorithm for the west, so that the app that in China is centred around e-commerce and tech behaves differently here. It favours the most depraved, gross humans and the most divisive content. It's like a picture book of what is wrong with the West and thus fuels the Chinese and also Russian narrative about the degenerate West. I'm talking about things like people dressing as babies and shitting themselves, the general infantilization of adults and unashamed sadism, like sucker-punching random strangers and pretending it to be a prank.

[quote] I definitely think the climate change situation is worse than we're being lead to believe. All this "if we make changes over the next ten years...." stuff

I think it's too late re: climate change. This summer is an example. Places (eg, Wyoming) that should be cooled off are still hot. People aren't willing to make the changes.

The only thing that gives me hope was seeing those news stories in mid-2020 about the changes brought on my Covid (change in human behavior positively affecting environment).

Sarah Palin’s last child is her grandson.

Desantis is trying to eliminate people that he believes cost too much tax money, like the elderly and disabled. He wants to spend the tax money on sadistic hoaxes at the expense of the vulnerable. Write that on Reddit, and get banned by the alt right that runs it.

I believe it is too late for climate change to be reversed. they are not exactly hiding the info it is just not being reported in mainstream news. You have to know where to look. I have been studying this since 2013 on a daily basis and there are all kinds of info by environmental scientists, oceanographers, and most scientists overall. They all say the same thing. We have reached the point of no return. There are a few outliers being paid by the gov mostly lobbies for the corps, but the consensus is the planet will become uninhabitable for life until the planet stabilizes again. It has happened 5 other times mostly due to climate change.

Can someone give me a Cliff's Notes version of the conspiracy regarding The Shining upthread?

These aren't conspiracies, but they're taboo things most people reject because they think it's wrong to be a "both sider," even when choosing one polarity means rejecting reality.

1. Vaccines save lives. They do so by modifying the immune system. Modifying the immune system poses a risk of throwing a wrench of sorts into the workings of the immune systems. Every person's physiology is different, with different genes and different acquired pathogens doing different things to their systems. All vaccines can have severe side effects, usually rare ones. Soem vaccines may create pathologies of their own if introduced to an immune system that is not equipped to handle them. Vaccines can cause harm to people. They are administered to protect the greater population at peril to a few, and in an epidemic or pandemic that can cause death or other devastation, it is wise to take a vaccine knowing that it may adversely affect you. Vaccines are neither entirely safe nor are they likely to be causing mass devastation. Anti-vaxxers are wrong, and people who call people who question the safety of vaccines and call them "anti-science" are wrong and not thinking scienfically themselves.

2. Carbon emissions contribute to the greenhouse effect. Human beings have caused an (as far as we know) unprecedented sharp rise in carbon emissions. Those emissions are affecting the climate, causing increased heat and also causing weather patterns to become disrupted, destabilizing a previously somewhat balanced global climate. The planet has a fever of sorts. At the same time, sudden, sharp changes to the climate incliding sudden sharp rises in global temperatures are in the geologic record, and so we know this can happen in the absensce of industrialization. We know we are affecting climate change. There may also be a natural change to planet happening regardless of us. They may be coinciding. It may be possible to limit climate change by being better environmental custodians. It may be impossible that we can stop a planetwide cycle like this once it has begun. Both may be true. The fact is that we don't know for sure.

3. Human beings do not question our superiority insofar as intelligence and the food chain. We fancy ourselves the smartest and the top predators. Our smartest scientists work overtime in labs every single day trying to stay ahead of microbial life that preys upon us and sometimes "outsmarts" us through out-evolving our abilities to control them. We are among larger forms of life on Earth and we see big bodies and opposable thumbs and big brains as the ultimate superiority, but human beings are felled and eaten alive by microbial pathogens every minute of every day.

"The Chinese government rigs TikTok's algorithm for the west, so that the app that in China is centred around e-commerce and tech behaves differently here. It favours the most depraved, gross humans and the most divisive content."

That's odd, my Tik Tok algorithm basically consists of idiots gasping when they put a sharpie mark on a hotel mirror.

[quote] Wait a few years and I'll be proven right.

The clarion call of every conspiracy theorist.

R287 Also the call of every Cassandra who is ignored and then later found to have been prescient.

I *knew*by April 2015 that Trump would win the presidency and I was going crazy hearing everyone make fun of him and dismiss him and tell me "it's literally impossible for him to win." So few even considered that he could win, much less considered what would happen when he did.

Lots of people were panicking that he would win. You know damn well the CIA and FBI had his number. Any American who does any business with Russia, The CIA already knows about it. Trump and his dad have been well known for years and probably knew he was associated with the mob in both the U.S. and Russia.

I hate to state this because it is actually sad. But, I think that Charlize Theron's father was molesting her as well as beating her mother and so she shot him. Perhaps her mother took the blame as though it were self defense because she didn't want to see her daughter to go prison.

R3 That's an intriguing idea.

I suspect the global spread of monkeypox was orchestrated either by the gay-hating Russians in an attempt to (further) divide Western societies, or by some other powerful gay-hating organisation. This new variant has been found to have characteristics that are confusing even to experts, but even taking those into account, it's odd how few infections there have been outside of the gay/bi community.

I think the original virus was altered in such a way that it's 1. more likely to infect males than females, and 2. is more likely to be transmitted sexually when compared to previous variants. Whoever created this new virus then infiltrated the gay party circuit in Western Europe, thus making sure it would mostly spread among gay/bi men.

Maybe it was orchestrated by an underground gay faction to encourage gays to get their smallpox vaccinations up to date so when they release the new smallpox virus the only people standing would be the hot sexually active gays!!!!

Having said that I completely agree it was the Russians.

I disagree with R291. The younger generation is having much less sex. But women do get it if they are exposed. Gay men seem to be much more promiscuous. Women are not mostly as promiscuous and straight men have to rely on women who gatekeep.

Get a load of Captain Obvious at R285.

I'm aware of all that, R293, but shouldn't we see a FEW more infections in women by now? You'd think a lot of women would get infected by (closeted) bisexuals. And women (even straight ones) tend to be quite physical with female friends; there's a lot of hugging, kissing, cuddling and so on.

There's no need to be closeted bisixual in 2022. All preferences and activities are celebrated and available. Lying about cheating on your spouse is still adultery and frowned upon. There is much less downlow behavior these days - no matter how many gloryhole videos you watch, R295. What decade are you posting from?

Not true that all "preferences" are celebrated. The closet still exists. Just ask all those GOP politicians and megachurch guys who are still hiding in 2022

We’re getting more pandemics because of global warming.

A pretty, tattooed young white woman who makes out with other girls at parties every once and again in betweeen boyfriends is celebrated, sure. In very liberal circles, even a young, pretty androgynous-looking guy (think Ezra Miller) might be celebrated for calling himself queer, not into labels or whatever. But with older generations, POC, or working-class people, the closet is still very much a thing.

Worry about how unlikely it is that you will ever contract Monkeypox at your advanced age. It is not that easily transmitted. Women have had it - of course.

But it's largely the preference of promiscuous young gay men who take repeated unnecessary risks.

If you call 40yo gay sluts "young men".

Sometimes I do think DL is a site set up by one of the 3-letter agencies. Perhaps more so when it was initiated and homosexuality was not as accepted and mainstream as today. Lol.

FOLLIES!

The 2000 election was rigged.

The 2004 election was rigged.

The 2016 election was rigged.

I doubt the 2004 election was rigged. It is very unusual for a president to do only one term, especially during a war or a big occupation. I agree about the other two. Bush wasn't hated as much in 2004 as he became later. The 2000 election was probably rigged The FL supreme installed him, and 2016 was outright rigged.

Re: 2004, look up Ohio and Florida; big controversies.

George Soros is a bad dude.

His son is probably worse.

Larry King isn't dead. He ran off with Barbara Eden.

After eating one of those sweet potato pies from that colored singer Patti MaBell ( the one that has those epileptic fits and rolls on the floor when she sings) I notice my left breast becomes engorged and tender!

Some believe celebrities, especially those who achieve huge success, must commit humiliating acts in public (breakdowns and so forth) in order to be given more opportunities. Those who control the entertainment industry will otherwise take all opportunities away from them, or give them plenty, if they play ball. Again, this is after they are already successful.

That many celebrities who have gone off the rails do so because they were sexually assaulted at parties by big time entertainment executives.

Conspiracy theories are around to make us cynical.

A. Not all religious people are crazy, but all insane people are religious.

B. Not all incels are domestic terrorists, but all domestic terrorists are incels.

[quote] We’re getting more pandemics because of global warming.

That's not a conspiracy, a number of climate scientists acknowledge it as one of the factors. Certain habitats get destroyed, their fauna migrates closer to humans, etc.

Warming has allowed ticks that carry Lyme disease to expand further northward. Canadian provinces are beginning to see significant numbers of cases because of it. Ticks carry Lyme but also a lot of other dangerous and even deadly diseases. The latest is Powassan virus, spread by the same ticks that carry Lyme. It is fatal to 10 percent of people who acquire it.

Votes were stolen in 2020 but not in the way these right wing loons think. The spread between Biden and Trump should've been wider. Are you honestly trying to tell me that all the machinery they were setting up that summer (DeJoy's shenanigans among others) as well as all those "overseers" and the goons who were intimidating voters in places such as Pennsylvania and Michigan didn't result in any skewering of the vote?

skewing, not skewering^^

Scientists have said that there are an untold amount of ancient viruses frozen under the permafrost. The Permafrost is now melting. That is not a conspiracy theory.

R311, that's how at least one of the more famous college "societies" do it, it makes sense that is just the junior version of what goes on in the Bohemian Grove, etc.

R284) There is a pretty good documentary on the theory that Kubrick created the footage in a sound stage. Currently average on Prime.

Stanley Kubrick could never deliver the moon landing footage on schedule. I think I did see Shelley Winters though.

R332) You're right about Kubrick. The Poseidon Adventure came out the same year as Kubrick’s 2001. Coincidence?

You moon landing deniers realize that other craft have flown over the moon and you can see the landing site and footprints, right? Or did Kubrik also fake all those missions and photographs, too? People who deny the moon landing are on the same wavelength as that mental midget Louie Gohmert, the NASA hater.

I don't understand why people deny the moon landing. The moon is only a few days away and would've been easy to land on. Do they also think the rover didn't land on mars too? And what would be accomplished by doing a hoax of a moon landing.

R324 Exactly

[quote]It just isnt happening enough now, with the focus always shifting to other things.

R270 We're all suffering from info-overload, scattered minds. Too much shit is being thrown on the wall to see what sticks and we can't keep up. That's why these theories start and I don't doubt half of them.

Maybe some of us can't keep up. I never had a problem with it. The biggest problem is they have no critical thinking skills. People seem to believe everything they read no matter where it comes from. And they never seem to check references.

R325, The only semi-credible argument I've heard re denial of the actual moon landing is the extreme challenge of traversing the Van Allen Belt.

[quote]Scientists have said that there are an untold amount of ancient viruses frozen under the permafrost. The Permafrost is now melting.

R319 Interesting but wouldn't frozen viruses need to be in a clean lab setting to exist? I'm not disputing, just wondering...

Trump only gained votes because the programmers worked overtime. Google the Urosevich brothers.

R331 Spare me and give me a link.

R330. Not understanding your question, but viruses are not alive they can lay dormant for millions of years. And there are a lot of ancient animals also frozen in the permafrost that carried a lot of those viruses. I will find a link to the info and get back to yo.

R330 here is an article about it.

I admit, I’m fascinated by conspiracy theories. I get a kick out of going down the rabbit hole, trying to trace the source of the theory. Many of them I’ve come to find do have a grain of truth -a very tiny grain - and then it’s like the telephone game where the theory becomes something that bears little resemblance to the grain.

Regarding R34 and JPI, would I be shocked if he was murdered? Not really. Do I think he was? No, I don’t. I think his death was just so sudden, too many needed to look for a reason why, then came the Vatican Bank scandal - two different events conspiracy theorists tied together to explain his death via murder. The other part of the JPI murder theory about him being murdered because he was too liberal doesn’t make sense to me. In theory, the conclave is supposed to moved by the Holy Spirit but in reality, it’s all political jockeying. I can’t see the same conclave electing the liberal one, then murdering him, then electing the conservative one. That’s just my opinion. Is it possible JPI was murdered nonetheless? Sure. Is it probable?I don’t think so.

R335 That’s how they hook people. They use a grain of truth.

JP was't the only one murdered, 7 or 8 liberal cardinals were.

[quote]That’s how they hook people. They use a grain of truth.

R336 You nailed it.

Pius XI was also murdered. Poisoned similar to JPI. Some say it was because Pius wrote the very strong encyclical condemning Hitler, eugenics, antisemitism and fascism. But don't blame Plus XII- he wrote the encyclical for XI. Probably someone in the Secretary of States office. The SOS of the Vatican have been involved in corruption for centuries, still to this day.

Weird stuff happened with 2016 voting machines. The results were way off the exit polling, and always in the GOP's favor.

R266 What did you end up doing? Did you fill it out?

Her name really was Mulva.

Not one Royal has been photographed with Lilibet.

Not one Royal has seen Lilibet.

Not one Royal believes Markle was pregnant with Lilibet.

Threads like these are started on a regular basis by people in the intelligence community who are monitoring chatter and looking to see if there are any rumours going around that they need to be worried about.

^probably the "have you ever seen a UFO?" and "what's your paranormal experience?" etc. threads too.

Sometimes the ghost thumping around in your attic or the strange lights in the sky may be caused by plain old people sneaking around 🤔

People who go to the news with haunted house and ghost stories usually are hard up for money..

R340 But don’t you know? Trump voters are “shy” to say they’re voting for him so it throws off polls.

R346 So Scooby Doo was basically a documentary.

Comments like "Don't print the shooter's name, don't show any picture of them. All they want is publicity and notoriety" are usually made by government shills. It's so much easier to pull off false flags when you don't have to worry about creating an entire person and backstory for them.

R349 You know, I kind of agree with you. There’s this whole notion that media people buy into that regular people are all clamoring for clout and exposure because that’s the world they live in. In reality, most people don’t care about that, not even the crazy ones.

Throughout history only a handful of criminals have ever become “famous”. Timothy McVeigh was responsible for one of if not the largest act of domestic terrorism in history, not to mention he was a tall, lanky white man. Did he become famous? We’re women throwing themselves at him? I don’t think so.

R351 Right. And if people are going on these shootings about once a month, then what makes you special? Nobody gets famous from these shootings except maybe David Hogg, Cameron Kasky, and Emma Gonzalez who managed to make a career out of it. They're just talked about for about a week and then onto the next.

Your posts begs the question. You need to demonstrate that there actually are false flag shootings first.

R286

R349 Making up people for false flag events? Fuck you. People who believe conspiracy theories are mentally ill and dangerous. Stay far, far away.

What about people who believe in conspiracies? I guess conspiracies don't exist either....

R355 Of course they exist but it is a very dangerous mental slippery slope. Most are nonsense of half truths, grains of truth, outright lies.

Obviously, conspiracies exist. Watergate was a conspiracy. But real conspiracies usually get prosecuted because if more than one person commits a crime they get caught because people can't keep their mouths shut.

The media shouldn't go on and on and give the shooters too much publicity, but the names MUST be public so that people can investigate background or else you do open up the opportunity for the government to do some pretty dark stuff and just claim it was John Doe.

R30, your doctor is right that alcohol can cause fluctuations in blood pressure- a decrease followed by an increase. Take it easy! Even if your conspiracy belief turned out to be correct it wouldn’t mean what your doctor said was wrong. “We are also moderately certain that high‐dose alcohol decreased blood pressure within six hours, and the effect lasted up to 12 hours. After that, blood pressure was found to be increased. Heart rate increased significantly after alcohol consumption and remained increased at all times measured.“

Pizzagate.

Yes, Dumbvida @R360.

Obama is gay and Pete Buttigieg is straight

[quote]viruses are not alive they can lay dormant for millions of years. And there are a lot of ancient animals also frozen in the permafrost that carried a lot of those viruses.

Hold me David, I'm scared!

R355 Yes, there are conspiracies. Conspiracies are carried out by REPUBLICANS. Republicans who deceive you with their white trash hillbilly magic.

Don't let them fool you with their clever lies, making Democrats look like a bunch of greedy corrupt grifters. Keep the faith. Vote blue no matter who!

Lots of homophobic dumbshits like R360 believe that one.

R364 there is no doubt many conservatives/Repugs carry out conspiracies, but the idea that it is only done by one political side is a very ignorant and American way of thinking.

Most of elite media have cia ties. Nyt, wapo, fox, etc.

Fox is "elite" media?? I thought you Deplorables reserved the term "elite" for Liberal things that fly over your heads.

They did in the old days. Now they are right wing

Most people forget that Lincoln's assassination was a conspiracy. In addition to Booth's being shot, four people were hanged.

Conspiracies and conspiracy theories are not the same.

R368 of course fox is fucking elite media. It's hilarious that you buy the mythology that only a right winger can be suspicious of mainstream press outlets. And yes, outlets like fox, NYT, the Atlantic and the Washington post may differ in some major respects but they have the same awfully strange habit of parroting whatever the CIA is claiming as fact this week. I guess you think only repubs are disturbed by our constant meddling in other countries and the consistently terrible results.

It’s not CIA. It’s the rich. Period.

All conspiracies are theory until proven. That's how it works. Conspiracy theories may just not be proven yet. The vast majority will never be proven because they're false and blatantly untrue.

But you are a fool if you think conspiracies aren't happening. History is littered with them and it's no different today. And it isn't a case of Republican/Democrat. It's on all sides and it's everywhere.

Human beings are greedy and seek power and power corrupts. Perhaps the extreme and unbelievable conspiracy theories are pushed so that no one looks at the real conspiracies going on.

[quote] But you are a fool if you think conspiracies aren't happening.

NO ONE IS SAYING THAT.

R375 Ok, no need to shout. I can't be bothered to go back through the thread to see so happy to take your word for it. Go and have a nice cup of tea and a calm down dear. You'll feel better for it.

Yes some people genuinely are R375. No I'm not going to go through 300 posts to find them....R374 has it right.

Many many many many atrocities in medical experiments were performed on black and indigenous people. What is the Tuskegee Syphilis Study but an exposed, unethical and diabolical conspiracy?

Once again, DLers demonstrate how few critical thinking skills they have. A conspiracy is not the same thing as a conspiracy theory and no one here in this thread ever said anything like there are no such thing as conspiracies.

And usually, real conspiracies see the light of day at some point. I had thought about the Tuskegee Syphilis Study. We know about most of the real conspiracies, people always talk at some point. But some are exceptionally crazy. The Qanon stuff, all the sightings of dead people like Elvis and JFK. The NWO. the people who think the virus and the vaccines are a hoax.

Really? Many conspiracies do not see the light of day. You only hear about the ones that do.

The Tuskegee airmen study wasn't the only involuntary medical experiment being done at the time. It was the only one to be publicly exposed.

I believe Pruitt-Igoe was dynamited not because public housing per se failed, but because the army had used the residents for unwilling radiological, chemical, and bio warfare experiments and it had to be covered up, especially cadmium poisoning.

I also believe Robert Raiforrd was the victim of such experiments and that the HIV was faked in order to cover up a later experiment on unwilling subjects, namely us.

Man, you fuckers sure believe in a lot of conspiracy theories, don't you?

R382 That's also more than conspiracy theory. It's documented fact.

Many various experiments have taken place at US hospital, including ones using black people specifically as laboratory animals, injecting them with cancers and doing various other things to them.

Time passes and these things are uncovered and admitted without apology, and people pay no attention because we assume it's simply a past atrocity that has no currency today.

The CIA's mind-control projects MK-ULTRA, BLUEBIRD, ARTICHOKE and others are still regarded by many as urban legend. They were reported on extensively by the Washington Post in 1997, with documentary evidence, and it freaked out some people who paid attention and most people don't care. Elderly people, terminally ill people, orphans and racial minorities with no family who were in hospitals were tormented wickedly by hospital workers—just like with Tuskegee—who scrapped the "first do no harm" oath and tortured people for federal funding and in the name of medical research at hospitals in the DC area and other places, including even in Canada.

The CIA even conscripted the administrators of a French town (with money) to allow them to drug the village's bread supply with ergot, a natural LSD-like fungus, just to find out what would happen if an entire village of people were unwittingly doped with a mind-altering psychedelic.

Five people were killed.

[quote] On 16 August 1951, postman Leon Armunier was doing his rounds in the southern French town of Pont-Saint-Esprit when he was suddenly overwhelmed by nausea and wild hallucinations. "It was terrible. I had the sensation of shrinking and shrinking, and the fire and the serpents coiling around my arms," he remembers.

The Occam's razor factor we should be most concerned with is not that this was done to more than Tuskegee people in the past, but that it happens now and always will.

All these accidents that happen...follow the dots.

Coincidence makes sense only with you.

R360 So you really believe in all of this or only some claims?

[quote] Occam's Razor

Occam's Razor does not say what you think it says. It says that something proved with few propositions need not be proved by more. In other words, don't make an answer more complicated than you need to.

It does not say the simplest answer is always the correct one.

That the "Karen" thing is behavior modification to make us compliant. Yesterday, I saw a group of young people at the diner. One was served the wrong thing. She raised her hand to get the waitress's attention and all of her friends jumped on her to "not be a Karen", so, she ate a meal that she didn't order because her friends bullied her. I see this more and more when people actually have a valid complaint or when something needs to be corrected. Quite frankly, asking for the manager is the correct thing to do,. Why waste with a low level employee who does not have the power to correct the situation even if he wanted too.

The “Karen” thing is a lower-class phenomenon that went mainstream. The lower classes have always been all about keeping their women cowed into submission.

When I hear someone use this term, I always assume they are lower class trash. It’s like hearing someone use racist language in casual conversation (which the lower classes also do.)

In my area, it’s mostly unemployed women with five kids by age 25 who use this term. So…there you go.

In my area, everyone says "Karen" not just "women with five kids by age 25"

You sound like a bitter Karen

Why even care about abortion rights when there are skanks with 5 kids at age 25? Like if they were planned, ok why not but most of the time it was one night stand whores who just weren't tough enough to abort their mistakes. So my conspiracy theory is that the right to an abortion is pushed in order to create more of the women mentioned by R392 and R391. Legal abortion makes people have more unprotected sex because they think they can abort in case of an "accident" but when they are actually pregnant, these heauxs become all emotional and ruin the lives of others by keeping their spawn.

I don’t think Elena Ferrante is even a woman, they are hiding something being anonymous and that’s what I think it is. They may not even be Italian either.

R390 its about making sure that women only display traditionally feminine behavior ( soft spoken, unassertive, passive and forgiving). Note that they won't see anything about aggressive male meltdowns in public. It's part of the parcel of a lot of woke female targets being women seen as too loud and aggressive or not in line with stereotypically straight female behavior ( they hate female comedians and most lesbians). They're just like the far right in that respect so I guess the horseshoe theory has some truth to it.

Amen, R395.

R393 is an idiot. Hardly anyone has 5 kids anymore, the birthrate has been going down for years. It was going down when abortion was still legal in every state. It is going down in foreign countries where abortion is legal

It’s so helpful when lower class trash instantly appears to provide a living, breathing example. Thanks, r392.

R398, so bitter and class obsessed. It's true even the upper middle class use paper napkins today, but I'm sure you're one iwth Nicholas Fairford in trying to raise standards,

[quote]Pizzagate.

I suspect this was a joke post. It would take a special kind of moron to believe this one, and I'd like to think that most DL posters are a bit smarter than that.

A poster up thread claimed you could give someone cancer by giving them a shot of cancer. That is ridiculous. Cancer doesn't work like that. We already have cancer cells and free radicals in our bodies. Cancer happens because your own immune system goes haywire. A healthy immune system fights cancer. You cannot transfer it. I used to know a really stupid women very low IQ swore up and down that the CIA and other nefarious agents were shooting people up with cancer. No matter how many facts you gave her she believed it anyway. She also believed in other weird conspiracies.

R397 Yes, birth rates overall dropped but one-night-stand mommas increased nonetheless.

R386 netflix should be useful for once and make a doc about this subject instead of the 10000th documentary about some bitchy socialite stealing money from other bitchy socialites or a guy with an imaginary girlfriend. More people need to know what our government was capable of and still is.

Long term and heavy consumption of corn products damage the brain ( they've been found to lower serotonin). The government knows this but corn syrup is cheap to they continue to use it in everything.

Gay Cancer is contagious R401. Don't inject yourself with Gay Cancer please. Your immune system can't handle it.

R405 is this the cancer you get from rimming?

[quote] most DL posters are a bit smarter than that

R400, I used to think that too.

R404, Carol Channing must have had serious brain damage then!

The never went to the moon people are complete idiots. People and billions of dollars weren’t sacrificed for nothing .

Has anyone mentioned Dyatlov?

Amal Clooney is a twist on the words A Male, which he is.

Whenever I type Amal Clooney, it autocorrects to "Anal Clooney"

That's more of an unsolved mystery than a conspiracy. They're pretty sure it was an avalanche now, though.

Amal Clooney is not a man. She has a woman's voice.

So does Ross Matthews.

Paranoid people have real enemies too.

Hypochondriacs die every day.

Misogynist GAYS are in love with their old mommy.

Uncut cocks are more prevalent in countries that disapprove or outlaw homosexual sex.

R414 I shared a conspiracy no one believes but you, as the title of this thread says. I don't believe it, I simply shared it. There seem to be many people that believe Amal is male.

Early Christians made homosexuality a sin because they knew that every man has an inner desire to submit to or to dominate another man sexually.

Eh, I’ll buy that r418.

Oh I thought of one!

Years ago, I had an elderly neighbor. She lived in the apartment since the 1940’s, was a maiden lady, and very well educated (PhD in physics or chemistry, can’t recall which right now). She was also a huge royalty expert - she could tell you from memory who was who in both reigning and non-reigning houses.

She was convinced that Anna Anderson was in fact the Grand Duchess Anastasia. Her theory was the DNA test that proved her an imposter was fixed (she blamed Prince Philip as he supplied the DNA, as she put it - continuing Mountbatten’s dirty work, like he had continued the Grand Duke of Hesse’s). Her theory on why was that there really were bank accounts of the Tsar in London, the Romanovs had been trying to get their hands on them for decades, but with no definitive proof she was dead, and with a public, and vocal pretender, they couldn’t. She was able to explain it much better than I am doing - there was stuff about a kind of soft blackmail, guilt trip the Romanovs gave to the British Royal Family to take care of them in exchange for payment once they got the Tsar’s money, how when that didn’t happen, Queen Mary was given sweetheart prices on all sorts of jewels they had to sell. There was a story after the DNA test about a bank in London “finding” an account of the Tsar’s that was frozen in 1918, and was distributed to his next of kin (families of his two sisters). If I recall correctly the amount given was £2 million, but the bank wouldn’t say if that was what was on deposit in 1918, or the amount distributed.

She definitely made a case for it, but it all falls apart with the discovery of the bones. Unless those DNA tests were also fixed - which I’m sure would have been her theory had she lived to see that story break.

Honestly, while I think Anna Anderson was a mentally unwell woman who was used by the Altenburg Prince and others to the point where she actually believed what they were selling about herself, I’ll admit I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if her theory turns out to be correct. Those royals can be a sneaky and shady bunch.

R420 Anyone with the power of eyesight could tell Anna Anderson was a fraud.

R421 I’m not saying she was right, but it was her conspiracy theory. Like I said, I think she was a mentally unwell woman used by the Prince and others. I’ve no dog in the fight, but given how shady royals are, I wouldn’t be so shocked if there was something to her theory.

Celebrities coming out as gay or trans has become (somewhat) acceptable, but being intersex is still taboo because it’s a physical abnormality rather than an innate preference or identity. Agents and publicists will do anything and everything to keep it under wraps in order to protect their client’s careers (with the exception of athletes who are required to disclose these conditions before competing).

For example, it’s likely that Julia Child and Wayne Newton were born with disorders of sexual development; Julia looked like she had XY chromosomes and CAIS (complete androgen insensitivity syndrome), and she never bore children, while Wayne in his teen years looked like he may have been born with XXY chromosomes (Klinefelter Syndrome.)

Interestingly, both grew to exactly the same height of 6’2.” (People with CAIS and KS are, on average, taller than their peers by adulthood). They also seemed to overcompensate for their looks. For instance, Julia had a history of using homophobic slurs, while Newton (who was often the target OF homophobic slurs) developed a tough-guy image in his later years, earning a black belt in Karate, and fathering (I think) several children.

WTC Tower #7 was brought down by a controlled implosion.

R424 who was in control of the controlled implosion and what was the motive for it?

Early CHristins did not see homosexuality as a sin. That's a lie. Modern Amwericans do because teh bible was deliberately mistranslated and dumbed down for children.

they know how to induce various camcers with poisons .

Eye roll at r426.

The only reason you’re still alive is someone is letting you live.

It's true R428. For example, contracts used to be sealed with handjobs, but that was translated "put his hand under his thigh" even though the Hebrew word translated more usually meant "penis." It wasn't even considered sex.

The SEC files wer ein building 7 (including all the evidencee of GWB's frauds at Harkness Energy) as well as Rudy G.'s command post and possibly details of the 9.11 plot.

R423, there were always those rumors about Jamie Lee Curtis

r123 Mengele managed to live a very full life after the war.. Hitler could have been smuggled out and done the same....

Remote ignition actually lit the Olympics Flame, not Muhammad Ali.

R434 What happened? Did a high wind make his torch go out? I thought he was a renown draft-dodger.

On the contrary, he was a conscientious objector. They don't evade anything.

r435 Ali did his time like a man and didn't used bone spurs as an excuse to avoid the war

Not really conspiracy, but a theory: Barron Trump is on the autism spectrum, and it's part of what has contributed to Donald Trump becoming even crazier and an anti-vaxxer. While he was running for president, he said he is not anti-vaccine, but he thinks too many shots are given to children at one time and tok early, so he thinks shots should be staggered more. He said his rationale was that he has seen "with my own eyes" a "perfect, beautiful" baby develop autism after getting vaccines. Trump only refers to himself as "perfect" and he often talks about his "perfect genes." He thinks Barron was meant to be his other perfect blond beauty baby legacy alongside Ivanka and that that was ripped away from him by vaccines making his son "retarded." He has a total victim mentality, and I do believe that this notion contributed to him going all-out bonkers and wanting to tear down institutions. He's 100 percent ego and he selectively embraces the children he thinks superficially reflect his perfection. He's embarrassed by the ugly ones and Don Jr obviously has spent his lifetime trying to earn his father's love by becoming a villianous protector. I think Eric is less committal, and Ivanka is a reflection of her father and only cares about her own well being. And Barron, welp, he's autistic, which could be good for him if it keeps his hateful father at a distance. On the other hand, if his father does wrest power and pass it along, Barron could become a demented Elon Musk/Caligula type.

And because Trump's MO is to sneer and mock, including at war heroes and the disabled, he fears his own lack of morals would be the world's response to any lack of 'perfection' in his own offspring. Because it's not 'winning.' All too plausible, and of course abjectly pathetic.

Feminism is pushed in order to bring WW3. I personally can't wait for 4 billion useless eaters to be nuked. Praise moloch and feminism.

The QueerAnon with Mister Sister Podcast with actors Jordan Barbour and Randy Harrison has some fun tongue in cheek “ConsQUEERacies” about pop culture at the end of each episode. Most recently, Randy’s is about the Little Mermaid racist controversy and Jordan’s is about Lindsay Graham.

Put down the crazy pills, R440. You've already overdosed.

Men are from Mars. Women are from Venus.

Which planet are the non-binaries from?

R444 Pluto?

R445 Cause it’s not a planet?

R446 Yes. That was my thinking. LOL.

Here’s one: TikTok, a Chinese company, blows up the same year as COVID, a virus largely believed to have originated from China? Sure Jan.

R123 R119 R433 The TV series "Hunting Hitler" made a compelling case that he escaped to South America.

Ed McMahon's laugh was pre-recorded.

[quote]Which planet are the non-binaries from?

Uranus, from which their theories are pulled.

R448 It's confirmed spyware, the State Department has repeatedly made warnings about it. Do you remember when Trump almost banned it in 2020?

The Chinese government has facial recognition databases of and detailed daily location data for millions of Americans.

The sales at Kohl's aren't actual sales, that's the actual price and they must pretend it's marked down.

I've heard a lot of guys insist that they believe most, not some, cumshots in gay porn are fake. I find that kind of crazy because 1) it's not difficult at all for almost any guy to cum, and 2) they're already having sex, and it's hard to do that and *not* finish, I imagine, even if a person isn't having sex with their preferred sex.

Lady Lindzebelle is actually a pussy hound.

I do think professional sports is often rigged.

R30 I don't get the connection between the moon landing and The Shining

Oops, that's R3

R36 "The estrogen that makes a gay boy in the womb also somehow makes his asshole behave like a vagina when aroused"

Ohh my

R457 Watch the documentary 'Room 237.'

Madonna hasn't lost her mind. She's a very stable genius. What she is doing just doesn't make sense to anyone now because she's 100 years ahead of her time.

R460 Kubrick wouldn't need to fill the Shining with cryptic clues that the footage from the moon landing was faked, since that was openly the entire plot of a blockbuster Elliot Gould movie that had been released three years earlier.

I've seen that documentary, they do dig up a lot of connections, but all they really do is prove that Kubrick was intentionally making lots of allusions to the space race in the background of the film. I think he was probably trying to make a connection between space colonization and colonization of the American west.

R175 The treatment for both were inhumane in the past. And for people without access to good mental health care/therapists, it still can be. Especially where they are still misdiagnosed with harder-to-treat conditions, as an excuse to not provide more expensive but more effective care for BPD and BP specifically.

The resources for treating both BPD and BP with compassion and insight into traumatic upbringings are increasing. Not as fast as they should be, unfortunately.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that both diagnoses were used for a long time as an excuse to remove people who were having intense psychological reactions to untreated trauma from society.

Bipolar disorder is an example of a mental illness that can be effectively treated with medications.

The only treatment for borderline personality disorder is time travel, sending a person back to their early childhood and raising them differently.

R464 Not true. I wrote this on another thread, but several years of DBT and anti-anxiety meds have functionally made my BPD manageable and (behaviorally, at least) unobtrusive in my daily life. The problem isn't that BPD isn't curable. It has a very good prognosis now when treated by a trained therapist. The problem is that good DBT practitioners are rare and it's still prohibitively expensive in most areas.

You can also resolve BPD through The IPF protocol, which addresses the underlying attachment and unresolved trauma issues

Trump never would've been installed as president if the deep state/elites didn't want him to be president. Why they wanted him to be president is yet to be seen really, but my guess would be psychological conditioning, social disruption, and international manipulation and intrigue.

Transsexuals and straight people are conspiring to destroy gay rights by invading the gay community and claiming to be “queer.”

R467 Im sure they thought, much like they think they can do it with H Walker, they could manipulate the fat orange turd....not realizing that yeah they could to some degree but he wasn't all that easy to control

Shelly Miscavige is not dead. But they probably have her locked up and tortured some place so that she may wish she was.

[quote] The TV series "Hunting Hitler" made a compelling case that he escaped to South America.

"Hunting Hitler" is a load of fraudulent shit. They've already been caught in one blatant lie.

Fraud. Thankfully the Hitlery Channel came to their senses and pulled the plug.

I don't think I'm the only one but I believe it's a possibility that the AIDS virus was purposely injected into gay males around November 1978 when blood studies began. There were ads placed in gay magazines months before looking for volunteers for the blood study. I just think it's plausible. The official origins of the AIDS virus seem vague.

R460- I prefer Room 222.

BEARKING IS REALLY BREAKING!

R473- ME TOO I LOVE BEAR KING

r475- Was there. TOTALLY rigged.

r475 bear king loves you too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!