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Pills! Pills! Pills!

This is going to be the most frau thing I have ever written on here but I AM IN PAIN. I have been taking Percocet for neck pain for about ten years now. I had an MRI several years back and they said I have a deteriorating disc at the top of my spine blah blah blah. As long as I take my pills I'm FINE - in fact I had been doing great and started running and getting into proper shape. The pills haven't gotten out of hand - I take what I am supposed to, the amount I take hasn't gone up in ten years.

Cut to some new pharmacist shrew showing up at my pharmacy deciding I don't look like I need my medication, and now it's been two days since I've had any because my doctor is a pain in the ass to get ahold of and she won't fill the prescription until she is CONVINCED I need my medicine. I'm not even sure she will once they do talk. Anyway this morning as I wait to see if they sort this out today my neck and shoulders have entirely seized up. This was the pain I felt when I started medicating - it came back immediately.

Part of me doesn't like the idea of taking pills every day forever, but it does work, as this clearly illustrates. And I don't want to have to have surgery, if that's the other option. Then the other part of me wants to set this ego-tripping pharmacist on fire for making my life just a little bit shittier - for making me feel like an addict, for messing up my schedule so I'm now in pain for no reason. I know "get a blog" should be r1's response but can DL commiserate with me at all?

by Anonymousreply 213October 19, 2022 3:46 AM

[quote] I know "get a blog"

Ha ha ha! I’ll say.

by Anonymousreply 1September 14, 2022 4:05 PM

Can you switch to mail-order from Express Scripts?

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by Anonymousreply 2September 14, 2022 4:05 PM

Thank you r1

r2 - I hadn't had any issue with getting my prescription until this week, so I haven't tried the mail thing but it did occur to me yesterday that I should look into it now. They work well? This pharmacy is right down the street from my office so it's been easy but this new woman came in about six months ago and the place has gone to hell.

by Anonymousreply 3September 14, 2022 4:07 PM

Sorry r3 = OP, I forgot to sign

by Anonymousreply 4September 14, 2022 4:08 PM

r4 / OP, I've been using Express Scripts since I got on the internet in the 1990s. The only problem I've ever had was getting the right person on the phone. But I only need to get someone on the phone for one in a hundred transactions.

In short, I love it. So much better than waiting on line at my local pharmacy, where there is usually only one cashier (and five people waiting on line).

by Anonymousreply 5September 14, 2022 4:14 PM

You probably can't get percocet via mail order pharmacies.

You might try to find out this pharmacist's hours and call when she's not at work. Beyond that, you'll need to get hold of your doctor and then find another pharmacy. There's no other way around it.

by Anonymousreply 6September 14, 2022 4:28 PM

Sorry OP, I have the same discs issue and it sucks. I’ll eventually break down and have the surgery.

by Anonymousreply 7September 14, 2022 4:33 PM

How can a pharmacist question a doctor's prescription, unless it is narcotics? I would go to her boss.

by Anonymousreply 8September 14, 2022 4:36 PM

Ugh, OP, you have my sympathies. Have dealt with a couple of pain in the ass pharmacists over the years. Hope you get your meds soon.

by Anonymousreply 9September 14, 2022 4:44 PM

Thanks for replying, everybody. I live in NYC so I have plenty of options, pharmacy-wise. I've just been using this same Walgreens for twenty years now and I'm annoyed to have to go somewhere else. I mean I will DEFINITELY be going somewhere else the second I can - they were really inept and rude to me yesterday; no one was answering the phone so I had to actually go into the store twice, and then they lied to me telling me they'd left messages for my doctor when they hadn't.

That said I just spoke to my doctor's office and he's suddenly not going to be in at all today? So now I have another 24 hours of this at least. I tried his personal cell phone but he just disappears sometimes. I should probably get a new doctor too while I am at it.

And I don't know how to thread this needle so I don't sound like some maniac fiend, but I really am knotting all up between my shoulder blades and I can't turn my head now. So I left a message on his personal phone trying to explain the situation calmly but I'm worried that even calling that number is pushing it.

I hate this pharmacist so much

by Anonymousreply 10September 14, 2022 4:48 PM

YES, a pharmacist can and will sometimes question a doctor's prescription. You are unfortunately caught up in the current mess referred to as The Opioid Crisis. I suspect your only hope may be to find a different pharmacy that will honor your prescription. Pain killers have become a political issue, which is unfair and in most cases, unwarranted. Look for a smaller operation, maybe a mom-and-pop pharmacy. Places like WalMart and other large, corporate chains are the worst for getting this kind of prescription filled. I am so sorry you are going through this. It is becoming a very common problem.

by Anonymousreply 11September 14, 2022 4:53 PM

You can, r6, I was on Ambien for awhile. You just have to sign for it when it’s delivered.

by Anonymousreply 12September 14, 2022 4:58 PM

OP how did you fuck up your neck to that degree?

And why would you run recreationally with disc issues? The impact on your already ailing spine is not going to help any. Please stick to yoga & Pilates.

by Anonymousreply 13September 14, 2022 5:01 PM

[quote] Pills! Pills! Pills!

Your thread title even stirred me.

by Anonymousreply 14September 14, 2022 5:02 PM

I use Optum Rx mail service - they are terrific. They get your refills out in plenty of time, will contact the MD's office so you don't have to. I get Valium by mail (a bottle of 60) no questions asked. Like you, I have been on it over 10 years - I get a bottle of 60 at a time and take it on an ad hoc basis. Find any mail service you can so that you never have to go to a pharmacy in person ever again! In the meantime, here are some suggestions: use Voltaren gel or Salonpas patches for topical relief. Consider acupuncture - but only from a board certified MD. Whatever you do, DON'T HAVE SURGERY!!!

And get some Valium - 5 mg in between doses would go a long way for you. Good luck!

by Anonymousreply 15September 14, 2022 5:05 PM

r13 I honestly have no idea where the issue came from. My father had really serious back issues his entire life, several surgeries, so I have assumed it was genetic. My grandmother (his mother) as well. It just started bugging me one day and got steadily worse with time.

I suppose I should do other forms of exercise as I know it's bad for you in the long run (pun not intended) but I really love running.

by Anonymousreply 16September 14, 2022 5:06 PM

^Ah louv rounnin...

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by Anonymousreply 17September 14, 2022 5:14 PM

Has anybody used Capsule, the delivery app? They came up while I was googling about this just now and being a New Yorker I do love a well-branded app delivery service haha

by Anonymousreply 18September 14, 2022 5:18 PM

R8 Percocet IS a narcotic, Rose. It is a combination of acetaminophen and oxycodone.

by Anonymousreply 19September 14, 2022 5:19 PM

R8 What R8 said. Your pharmacist sounds unprofessional and overstepping her boundaries and should be reported. AND find a new pharmacy!!! Good Luck and Godspeed!!!

by Anonymousreply 20September 14, 2022 5:22 PM

[quote]I suspect your only hope may be to find a different pharmacy that will honor your prescription.

Don't do it. The state keeps track and if you go to another pharmacy, they can see you tried to have it filled and failed and you'll be flagged even more.

You need to find another doctor rather than a pharmacist, one that can help you asap.

by Anonymousreply 21September 14, 2022 5:26 PM

I'm sorry you are in pain, OP. The "opioid crisis" is the fault of junkies, not people suffering pain either acute nor chronic. Those assholes have caused pain, suffering, and even early death for people with legitimate pain issues. They can blame the pharmacy industry all they want, but choosing to become a junkie ultimately is a matter of personal responsibility.

Can you use weed? CBD weed won't get you high but it is a decent pain killer. You should take Tylenol too as that is the non-narcotic part of Percocet and really does help as an analgesic. Stop taking it when you get your prescription filled because it is easy to OD on Tylenol, that is why they developed Oxycontin, so people could take more straight oxycodone without risking liver failure from the Tylenol in Percocet.

by Anonymousreply 22September 14, 2022 5:31 PM

That surprises me, r12. Seems like there would be a huge risk of theft if painkillers were sent through the mail.

by Anonymousreply 23September 14, 2022 5:34 PM

[quote]The "opioid crisis" is the fault of junkies, not people suffering pain either acute nor chronic.

People were overprescribed medications and became addicted through no fault of their own. Not everyone who was addicted, but a lot of them.

by Anonymousreply 24September 14, 2022 5:35 PM

If you're a white guy, go to a park in a suit and within 20 minutes someone will offer you drugs.

by Anonymousreply 25September 14, 2022 5:37 PM

Ugh to Capsule. They used to be OK, and the idea is great, but the last few times it's taken 3 or 4 days to get a prescription refilled. (They say they're understaffed.)

by Anonymousreply 26September 14, 2022 5:39 PM

R23, Ambien is not a narcotic. I don't think that poster knows what he's talking about.

R24, that's bullshit. They got their course of pain relievers just like million of other people. After their bottle was empty, they took it upon themselves to go become addicts instead of stopping like everyone else. The vast majority are pampered young middle class males in the suburbs so that explains the stupidity while also explaining the huge overreaction to save them at the cost of literally everyone else in society, especially the older people who are in actual pain.

by Anonymousreply 27September 14, 2022 5:39 PM

Ugh to Capsule. They used to be OK, but now it takes 3 or 4 days to get things filled.

by Anonymousreply 28September 14, 2022 5:40 PM

Yo, OP, hit up my DMs. I’ll hook you up.

It’s gonna cost you that fine little ass though.

by Anonymousreply 29September 14, 2022 5:54 PM

Sue the bitch.

by Anonymousreply 30September 14, 2022 6:08 PM

It’s insane and cruel - the overreaction against opioids in NY, CA and other blue states has left thousands in extreme pain with no options but suffering. I had a debilitating back pain last year. Couldn’t sleep for over a week. Not one doctor in NYC would give me any kind of real pain med - Advil, Motrin, Tylenol was all they would do. It was ridiculous. I’ve been able to manage it for decades with occasional pain medication - like every 5 years for a week or two. Now doctors and pharmacists are terrified of giving pain medication, Something has got to change. This is cruel.

by Anonymousreply 31September 14, 2022 6:54 PM

Is your middle name Judy?

J/K OP. Sadly someone has flagged you as a drug seeker and now you need your doctor to confirm your rx to the questioning pharmacy; or take it elsewhere.

If the doctor is not in the office they surely must have a way of reaching him/her remotely.

by Anonymousreply 32September 14, 2022 6:58 PM

R31 Very true. Because of some peoples' misuse of drugs, DON"T take it out on everybody!!

by Anonymousreply 33September 14, 2022 7:23 PM

I know. I have severe back pain from deteriorating discs. I am in constant chronic pain and am told to take aspirin. Or ibuprofen which wreaks my stomach. They won't give you anything so now I am a disabled shut-in. I mostly want to die now. I'm in my 70s.

by Anonymousreply 34September 14, 2022 7:36 PM

Sorry, R34, hope you can find another doctor.

by Anonymousreply 35September 14, 2022 7:39 PM

Sorry you are having to go through that r34. It’s ridiculous to make people suffer like that.

by Anonymousreply 36September 14, 2022 7:39 PM

I live in CA and no doctor will give pain meds. The doctors get in trouble if they prescribe. the Gov is behind it. I really wish they would stay out of our lives. Doctors should be able to do their jobs. My doc is sympathetic but can't do anything to help.

by Anonymousreply 37September 14, 2022 7:43 PM

Ugh to Capsule. They used to be OK, but now it takes 3 or 4 days to get things filled.

by Anonymousreply 38September 14, 2022 7:44 PM

OP, I hate to break it to you, but I think your streak is over.

Once there’s a blip, the doctors get nervous. Same with adderall.

Sorry :(

by Anonymousreply 39September 14, 2022 7:46 PM

I’m so sorry, OP.

The poster who suggested you switch to a mom & pop pharmacy is correct. I switched to such a pharmacy down the street from me.

No big corporate chain pharmacy anymore for me. I’ve had to get 3 different medications in the last 1.5 weeks, as I got a nasty ENT infection, and then my stomach went haywire due to the antibiotics prescribed, so they just finished my probiotics and anti-diarrheal meds, which I just began. The pharmacists there are very nice, professional, & fast. All positive things!

The mom & pop store is also so nicely decorated, in case you need to sit and wait for your meds, & if not, they deliver for free.

I haven’t a clue if that would be protocol for narcotics (such as pain pills), but it’s worth checking smaller pharmacies out in your area. Maybe you just have to show ID when they deliver? But I doubt it. I don’t think that works with narcotics.

I can’t imagine what it would be like to be in pain, & not get the pain relief needed in order to function.

I hope you get to resolve this quickly, so that you can feel better asap.

Also, I’d get the surgery if at all possible, OP.

Better to have the surgery than to be reliant on meds that some asshole pharmacist can deny you, right?

by Anonymousreply 40September 14, 2022 7:49 PM

R27, Ambien is a controlled substance (schedule IV). Opioids are also controlled substances but schedule II and III. Actually, I think they’re being handled differently than years ago. I was able to get 90 day prescriptions and refills for Ambien, but I don’t think they can do refills anymore (it’s been a good 10 years since I was on it). So other posters might be right—you may only be able to get a monthly amount and no refills, which sort of makes mail order pointless.

by Anonymousreply 41September 14, 2022 8:04 PM

OP, do not listen to R21 (sorry but you are incorrect) ... It will matter not if you find another doctor, the pharmacist will still question and refuse to fill the prescription. Finding a different doctor is not going to change the outcome here. You must find a pharmacy that will fill your prescriptions, not a pharmacy that is scared of being red-tagged as a drug dispensary. You will be fine if you change pharmacies. Look for a pharmacy that is independent of large corporations. The 'do not fill' orders come from the top of the company at places like WalMart. Avoid grocery pharmacies, which are owned by large corporations.. Look for one within a decent-sized medical group or center or an independent, local pharmacy. That is what I did after being given the run-around by a number of other pharmacies tied to corporations. For instance... you drop off your script and the pharmacist tells you, "it's not in stock, we must send out for it and will not have it for 4 days, 7 days, etc". They will do this every time you drop off a prescription until you get pissed enough to drop them... which is what they want. The point here is that you are in pain TODAY and will be in pain for those 4 days until you get the meds. It's a game they play to get you to go elsewhere.

I have had the runaround at several places. If I am on some kind of "list" it is news to me. I had to go to 5 pharmacies until I could get my script filled on the day it was written. I now get my oxycodone filled at a moderately sized medical center that I know will have my meds available on the day I bring in my prescription. Go ahead and ask questions like "I get this prescribed once a month, will you be able to fill it in a timely manner?" You are a dummy if you don't find out ahead of time. Don't let these assholes push you around because they will if you're not proactive to your needs. You know what happens if you have a regular prescription for pain meds and you can't get it refilled for a week? You lose that week of meds and never get it back. The countdown starts the day it's filled. You will never retrieve those lost days of meds... that is one of the worst parts to this scam.

by Anonymousreply 42September 14, 2022 8:04 PM

It’s really sad that people can’t get the medicine they need. The reason people get addicted is so interesting. The body wants to stay in balance at all times, and pain is a way for the body to know that inflammation needs to be addressed. When you take pain pills, the body readjusts so much so that you need more and more pills to make the pain go away, because the body will always try and balance itself. We need medical breakthroughs in pain management, because people in chronic pain need help and opioids aren’t a long term solution.

by Anonymousreply 43September 14, 2022 8:09 PM

R43 this entire thread has me thinking the same. And also that certain lifestyle habits common in the Western world need to end or change, if disc problems and spinal pain are this level of epidemic. Is it because we all sit in chairs and sleep on mattresses? Or eat sugar? Or use chemical cleaning products? What is the main trigger?

by Anonymousreply 44September 14, 2022 8:11 PM

When you cannot get the medicine you need to treat severe, chronic pain there is a solution. It is suicide, and many now choose that route since they are no longer able to get the meds they need to get through the day (or the hour or from moment to moment).

The world has gone mad.

by Anonymousreply 45September 14, 2022 8:28 PM

It really figures that, at the same time politicians are allowing junkies to do whatever they want, including stealing everything that isn't locked down, medical professionals are putting the screws to people with chronic pain. It seems like the end result is to push honest people to use illegal drugs, which is far more likely to turn them into junkies than Percocet would.

by Anonymousreply 46September 14, 2022 8:36 PM

That’s a hell of a plan, r43.

by Anonymousreply 47September 14, 2022 8:42 PM

“..and I don’t want to have surgery.”

God forbid you’d resolve the source of your decade of pain and pill-popping.

by Anonymousreply 48September 14, 2022 8:49 PM

R12 Ambien is schedule IV

Opiates are schedule II and there is no pharmacy in the US that will send opiates in the mail- unless it is a dark web "pharmacy ".

by Anonymousreply 49September 14, 2022 9:59 PM

R20 the pharmacist is to be commended for not filling opiate prescriptions willy nilly as was done previously and led to countless opiate overdose deaths.

Pharmacists were equally complicit in the lucrative opiate prescription pipeline.

Good to see pharmacists doing their job - too bad it too so long.

by Anonymousreply 50September 14, 2022 10:03 PM

Ten years of Percocet! You must be an addict by now.

by Anonymousreply 51September 14, 2022 10:07 PM

R23 Are you daft?? Yes Ambien is a CONTROLLED substance - schedule IV.

We used to prescribe it like candy 20 years ago but not any more as long term use affects cognitive abilities. Something for you to ponder.

It should not be prescribed for longer than 6 months.

Try Trazodone or Remeron for sleep.

by Anonymousreply 52September 14, 2022 10:08 PM

BRW in N Europe it is very difficult to get opiate medication unless you are post-op or have cancer.

Especially so in Scandinavian countries. Yet they have the highest life satisfaction ratings. Guess they address pain very differently there...

by Anonymousreply 53September 14, 2022 10:11 PM

OP, I’ve been in the pain meds game for 25 years (I’m like the Terminator, made of metal).

Narcotics cannot be mail ordered. For most larger medical groups, the newer policy is also that narcotic prescriptions cannot have any refills — each month requires a new refill. I also have to have a 90 med check-in year round (sheer bullshit!!!).

A smaller pharmacy will likely treat you much much better. But the best way to handle this is to deal with your *doctor*. You need to tell your doctor what happened to you and that you cannot be put through that again. Ask the doctor what their policy is on pain meds — how do they handle people on blood thinners or diabetic meds? Do they make them wait like that? Of course not. So a very direct conversation with your doctor, do not sugar coat how awful the pharmacy was and poorly they treated you and disrespected you. Ask your doctor how you can be assured this will never happen you again — but not in an adversarial tone. The doctor is human, it could be a policy oversight and/or even more likely, one of the doctor’s nurses is acting as “gatekeeper” to your pain meds. That’s exactly what happens with my doctor, I’ve learned which nurses are awful and who want to make me wait. One time, she refused to help me and my doctor was on vacation. I told her that he told me this would not happen to me again and to have his staff contact him, even on vacation. So I demanded she contact him even though he was on vacation, I couldn’t wait until Monday. Guess what? My prescription magically showed up at Walgreens! But I knew my doctor would have my back beforehand, he is amazing about pain meds. So you need real clarity on how your doctor feels and what their approach is to managing pain med refills during their time-off.

As already suggested, I recommend you get on CBD too (both oral and topical). I use Penguin brand for an oil I ingest, their topical is okay, but I prefer Dr. Solomon’s for my topical. You can also take a *heavy* dose of ibuprofen when things are dire, I’ll take 4 pills (but only once per day at most). Same with Tylenol, I will even take 4 pills of each at the same time when very very desperate, I know it’s not ideal to take so much, but I figure that at least it’s not narcotics.

The nurse upthread told you to avoid surgery — that is correct. Finally, if you MUST have these pills to manage, just go to a pain clinic. If you have an excellent pain clinic by you, they will get you hooked up with meds and should offer you other treatments that don’t involve narcotics. My pain doctor literally saved my life.

Oh! One other trick. If you are near a major hospital, the hospital near me has a Walgreens inside — they have all narcotics in-stock 24/7. None of the “out of stock” bullshit even for the fun stuff, and they don’t get involved with questioning narcotics because they assume you’re a patient for one of their staffers in their facility, that you’ve just had a surgery or other treatment.

Best wishes to you, I’m sorry you’re going through it, I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. The part that used to upset me the most was the stigma, they made me feel like a piece of shit at the pharmacy, they literally dehumanized me. But I try to give back to my community to help combat these broken systems. Hope this thread is helpful.

by Anonymousreply 54September 14, 2022 10:34 PM

r27, You are seriously under-informed. Check out Dopesick on Hulu. The drugs were sold and marketed as safe and rarely addictive.

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by Anonymousreply 55September 14, 2022 10:50 PM

My advice to all of you with an opiate monkey on your back - whether it is store-bought or street-bought is to free yourself of this addiction.

R54. It will only get harder and harder for you to try and outwit the doctors and pharmacists in your quest for opiates - I know that if I had a patient that had gotten rx's for opiates from another doctor and switched...I want to know why and will talk to that doctor before I ever prescribe schedule IIs. Technology puts you at a disadvantaged these days, with a few clicks I can see who you are seeking opiates from, and what pharmacies. We also can submit patient info to the DEA if we think they are opiate abusers, and the DEA DOES FOLLOW UP ON THIS.

It is just so amazing that Western Europeans, who CAN"T GET OPIATES - report such a better quality of life...one would think that they never get neck/back strains/pain. Indeed.

The high use of opiates in the US is a global phenomena and sets us apart from every other industrialized nation.

by Anonymousreply 56September 14, 2022 10:54 PM

[quote]Percocet IS a narcotic, Rose

Rose, I doubt that your doctor wanted you to take those things for 10 years. Have you ever considered the possibility that you might be dependent on them?

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by Anonymousreply 57September 14, 2022 11:00 PM

You really need to see a physician who specializes in chronic pain. There are far better non-opioid medications and other treatment options for chronic pain today that can really help. Opioids are a short-term solution for acute pain...nobody should be on them chronically for ten years. They can wreak havoc on your body and actually make people hyperalgesic, or more sensitive to pain when used chronically. If you ever have significant acute pain from trauma or surgery in the future...it's going to be extremely difficult to achieve any pain relief due to your body's distorted regulation of its pain receptors from the chronic opioid use. You need to get off these pills, and seeing a chronic pain physician is the best way to start.

by Anonymousreply 58September 14, 2022 11:02 PM

[quote] It is just so amazing that Western Europeans, who CAN"T GET OPIATES - report such a better quality of life...one would think that they never get neck/back strains/pain.

You can buy codeine OTC in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 59September 14, 2022 11:03 PM

Permanent solution to permanent problem.

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by Anonymousreply 60September 14, 2022 11:10 PM

OP here. I really do appreciate everybody's advice, which is why I dropped this here on the DL knowing there'd be a bunch of cunty replies calling me an addict etc. I'm reading them all and even though they're 50/50 diametrically opposed to one another I am trying to find my way through this. I'm just in so much pain right now, right this minute, and my doctor is AWOL still. If I can't get him tomorrow and I am in as much pain still what do I do? I can hardly move right now without everything seizing up. I have found a half-sitting pose now in bed where I can manage to type, perched oddly. I did have some old CBD oil which I just took some of when you guys reminded me that's a thing, we'll see if it does anything. I've crammed fistfuls of advil and tylenol today but they haven't done much. Even if those of you telling me I need to wean myself off this stuff are right they can't just make me go cold turkey like this right? My entire body is freaking out. Don't people die like this? I haven't had any bad side-effects from my Percocet over all this time - if "pill popping" works and does as intended... I don't know. I just have been crying. I feel so abandoned right now

by Anonymousreply 61September 14, 2022 11:36 PM

If you are fucking with us, I will find you and take you out.

If you have been taking those painkillers for years, then you are likely going through withdrawal and, yes, that can be dangerous. Withdrawals from opiates can cause seizures and death. At a minimum, you will feel like you have the worst flu ever. Call your doctor and advise that you are having withdrawal symptoms. If you aren't careful, you can really die in this situation.

by Anonymousreply 62September 14, 2022 11:50 PM

r62 I'm not an EST, I promise. I've been a non-attention-seeking DL'er for twenty years. I really all seized up, although I just realized I feel better sitting up on my couch than I did half-leaning up in bed. I also found a little piece of weed gummy leftover in my refrigerator, and it feels as if it's helped a little already. This won't last though, I'm worried I won't be able to get any sleep tonight

by Anonymousreply 63September 14, 2022 11:59 PM

R59 Codeine is weaker than Motrin. Everyone wants oxys or percs. Get with the program idiot.

NEXT!

by Anonymousreply 64September 15, 2022 12:03 AM

And you poor fuckers in the UK can't even get Adderall.

SAD.

by Anonymousreply 65September 15, 2022 12:06 AM

A few years ago I weaned myself off OxyContin by switching to Kratom. It is legal and it not prescription so it’s very easy to get and it’s pretty cheap. It has worked well for me.

by Anonymousreply 66September 15, 2022 12:06 AM

[quote] Withdrawals from opiates can cause seizures and death.

I always thought it was only withdrawals from booze or benzos that could kill you.

by Anonymousreply 67September 15, 2022 12:21 AM

Calm down Liza! Michael just went to the mailbox.

by Anonymousreply 68September 15, 2022 12:27 AM

LOL thank you r68, I needed a laugh

by Anonymousreply 69September 15, 2022 12:59 AM

R67, I’ve never heard of opioid withdrawal causing seizures or death. Benzos or alcohol withdrawal, yes, those are the worst.

by Anonymousreply 70September 15, 2022 1:19 AM

OP take another pill for your diarrhea of the keyboard

by Anonymousreply 71September 15, 2022 1:24 AM

R62, you’re gonna find OP and take OP out???

WTF???

by Anonymousreply 72September 15, 2022 1:27 AM

R63, call your medical provider asap and request an emergency call back asap.

You can have major seizures and even die from opiate withdrawals.

You may need to get hospitalized. I’m not exaggerating or kidding. I’ve never gone through it because I’d rather be in pain than to take opiates for the long term, but I’ve seen it happen with others and it’s serious business.

Please make sure you get emergency help if you need it, OP.

by Anonymousreply 73September 15, 2022 1:31 AM

[quote] Call your doctor and advise that you are having withdrawal symptoms

Don’t do that, OP, or your chart *will* be flagged.

Put a heating pad on your neck and try to find some muscle relaxers.

by Anonymousreply 74September 15, 2022 1:34 AM

R73, this OP will *not* die. You know why? Tolerance. OP clearly stated that dosage has remained the same all these years. Also, OP used as instructed, which means OP is simply using to not get sick. OP *feels* actual pain and sickness, but that is 100% the messed up pain receptors. I suppose there is that one in a billion who will croak, but I have not heard of someone dying from opiate withdrawals while taking them at the levels you were using. I’m sure if there are co-morbidities, then maybe, but I am not worried about your death lol.

OP, I cannot emphasize enough how disregulated your central nervous system becomes from these drugs. What you are experiencing is real, but likely 75% of it is going on inside your brain in the sense that your pain receptors are firing away because they are begging for the drugs. You will survive, but now you know you are indeed physically addicted. Just know it and accept it, you can figure out what to do later on when you aren’t sick.

Whatever you do, do not allow the doctor to move you to tramadol, the withdrawals are just as bad (maybe worse in some ways?) and it’s just as hard to get off of it.

by Anonymousreply 75September 15, 2022 2:10 AM

OP How are you feeling? If you have nothing on hand (no pot, Xanax, Flexural, Ambien) and I know how useless Tylenol alone can be—take a couple of shots of whiskey or vodka. You’ll feel shitty tomorrow but tonight is the issue.

Your doctor sounds like mine and I’m in NYC. I assume there’s no PA in his office. In the morning call his office again and lay it on thick…because it’s true. Or, since you have his cell, don’t leave him another VM (it may be full by now because there are other patients) but text him. Simple text. “It’s_____. I am in profound pain. Please send a new script to — (be very specific). Call or FaceTime me if need be.”

I take Norco (Vicodin) every day for pretty much the same reason. It’s a very small amount of hydrocodone (5 mg) but that and the acetaminophen in it does the trick. OxyContin, meanwhile, is the one that comes in 10, 20, 40, and 80 mg and a lot of people lump all these drugs together.

I get a new script almost every month, as required by law. Except during the Purdue panic of approximately 2012 to 2015, Rite Aid has never been a problem. I had a mom and pop drugstore lecture me around then and almost went full Magnolia/Julianne Moore.

Rite Aid has been fine. If the drugs run out for a few days in between scripts I experience grogginess and crankiness and of course the pain. It is excruciating. After 48 hours the grogginess and crankiness go away and the pain becomes even more excruciating. When I work and go about my daily life in that level of pain I realize I would rather be dead than live with that pain. I wish one day the pain would just stop but that is delusional.

In 2015, I sought alternatives and was treated by a NYU Langone pain management doctor for about a year. We tried all sorts of pointless alternatives, including a $3,000 procedure that insurance did not cover. The best thing that came out of that was keeping a daily “scale of 1-10 pain” journal. There’s a pattern to my pain but no explanation.

I am not doing my body any favors but the alternative is unimaginable. I’m willing to try marijuana for treatment when it becomes accessible in my NY (which it is soon to be) or when my doctor croaks, but thus far weed has only dulled the pain.

Let us know what happens.

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by Anonymousreply 76September 15, 2022 3:26 AM

Why would you not get neck surgery? You will never get better otherwise. In fact, it will eventually compromise your spine which will lead to issues you want no part of. I’ve known 5/6 people, all under 40, who’ve had the neck surgery/plate put in. Most were athletes or were in car crashes. They’ve all had successful surgeries. What is the reason given to not get it?

A great muscle relaxer which took all the knots out of my cousin’s neck was baclofen. His pain decreased 90% he said.

by Anonymousreply 77September 15, 2022 4:11 AM

Sometimes Driver is Cook, and sometimes Pharmy 1 should be swapped out for Pharmy 2.

by Anonymousreply 78September 15, 2022 4:16 AM

Why do good girls like bad boys? Why do falls fall in love? Why do birds suddenly appear every time you are near? Some questions have no easy answers r77

by Anonymousreply 79September 15, 2022 4:25 AM

R31 Do NOT take Motrin/Advil/ibuprofen for back pain. Numerous studies in recent years show that it does no more for back pain relief than placebo, but it can cause GI problems. Its use may also lead to acute pain becoming chronic. They are not certain, but they theorize that a bit of inflammation might be necessary for the body to heal itself. Take Tylenol as it is not an anti-inflammatory.

by Anonymousreply 80September 15, 2022 10:04 AM

R76 He cannot get a script for narcotics SENT anywhere, he has to pick it up in person. You should know that if you have to take narcotics as often a you do.

by Anonymousreply 81September 15, 2022 10:22 AM

Opiate withdrawal is life-threatening. It causes seizures and death in some cases. Often, withdrawal is managed with benzos, which need to be monitored for dependency as well. The same receptors that uptake opiates are used when taking THC, so those weed gummies will be your best friend for pain and sleeping. If you are in a state where it is legal, I recommend getting a whole bunch of those things and weaning yourself off of opiates. A lot of people, including me, have managed severe orthopedic problems with cannabis and ibuprofen. One of the things they don't tell you about opiates is that they reduce your own ability to manage pain. Once you are away from them and are not dependent, then your body has to re-set its pain management levels again.

You will never see those pills again and you will thank me. For the record, I have two replaced hips, a replaced knee and neck surgery recommended.

by Anonymousreply 82September 15, 2022 10:56 AM

OP you’re in serious peril here because you’re not going to stop cold turkey. If you can’t the rx filled then you will start seeking street relief after a couple days.

If you can make it through about 5 days with no pills you will have survived. That will be the worst part. Day 5 is the make or break when it comes to ops. A week at the most and the withdrawals will “break” and will just be irritable and blown out but that will fade.

So you’re either going to end up at a smack house or you will beat it but also go to the emergency room if you have too. They will pump you up with adivan and trazadone ans poasible help you get admitted to detox or rehab.

by Anonymousreply 83September 15, 2022 10:57 AM

When all else fails, chain yourself to a radiator. Tell a trusted friend to check on your once daily to clean your pot and feed you. Otherwise sweat it out now while you still can.

It’s all well and good for these docs to not start new patients on the hard stuff but you have to deal with patients that are already on it. In some cases just letting them keep taking the medicine is the best option. The body gets too old and too fragile for the sudden change of stopping and it actually kills people after a year of two because of this or that but it goes back to taking old settled people off their opioids.

by Anonymousreply 84September 15, 2022 11:02 AM

[quote][R23] Are you daft?? Yes Ambien is a CONTROLLED substance - schedule IV.

Why the fuck are you yelling at me, r52?

by Anonymousreply 85September 15, 2022 11:08 AM

I think you have a refill remaining on your script, from what you've said, and you're just having trouble getting it filled, right? So don't call in for a refill. This morning, ask the office staff how to handle the issue of a pharmacy not filling a refill that's already been called in. They should have a procedure for this. Follow it.

Now, if you do need a new refill, then you have to go in and see your doctor. Don't call in and demand a refill. Go into the office and see him, personally. I don't know why everyone is suggesting you just call in, because doctors absolutely have to see you in person to do a refill for a pain med like this. Another doctor cannot do it for you. An NP or PA can't do it for you. It has to be your doctor and you have to see him in person.

by Anonymousreply 86September 15, 2022 11:14 AM

If anyone here has neuropathic full-body pain, please do get good bloodwork done, and consider self-administered B12 shots.

In 2020 I could barely move or walk without stabbing tingling muscular pain all over me; now with 3x weekly self-injections of cobalamin, I’m almost totally pain-free.

by Anonymousreply 87September 15, 2022 11:21 AM

If your MD is not getting back to you, it’s possible that the pharmacist already spoke to your MD and alerted him about her “concern”. All Pharma where I live will not honor a valid prescription no matter what. If you are feeling real bad, just go the ER and they can treat you with something. However, once you and/or doc is flagged, it’s going to be tough. They don’t care because they don’t want liability or having their license suspended. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 88September 15, 2022 11:23 AM

Percocet is not intended to be taken for TEN YEARS.

by Anonymousreply 89September 15, 2022 11:26 AM

If you have a refill then this entire thread is moot. Just transfer the rx.

You call the new pharmacy and just tell them you want to transfer.

by Anonymousreply 90September 15, 2022 11:29 AM

OP, sorry to say but I think r75 is right. You’ve got a monkey on your back. Good luck.

by Anonymousreply 91September 15, 2022 11:40 AM

I've been taking 1/2 of the lowest dose of Oxycodone once a day for cancer/chemo discomfort for about a month and I am finding that I'm looking forward to the time I take it, though I don't believe I'm addicted. I'm allowed to take up to 3 pills a day (6 times the dose that I'm using) but I can manage fine doing what I'm doing. I completely believe that if I were taking the allowed dosage every day, I'd be totally hooked. Opioids are great but I can see how dangerous they'd be in the wrong hands.

by Anonymousreply 92September 15, 2022 12:05 PM

Fucking hell, R292, my admiration for people like you is sky-high. You must have balls of steel to face that kind of medical torture.

If I had to have c a ncer treatment or something, and opiates were the only relief from the iatrogenic torment caused, I might just opt to die instead. Sounds like a living nightmare.

by Anonymousreply 93September 15, 2022 12:09 PM

Hope everything works out, r92. I am glad to hear that you’re going easy on the pills.

by Anonymousreply 94September 15, 2022 12:20 PM

R81 Sue Ann…Why are you so convinced you know what my experience has been? Do you believe things must be a certain way simply because the FDA has it on their site? There are loopholes and doctors know them.

I need to see my doctor in person once every 3 months. In between, he sends my new monthly script to the pharmacy without seeing me. He puts it through insurance as a telemedicine.

by Anonymousreply 95September 15, 2022 12:45 PM

R86 My understanding is that schedule 2 drugs like Percocet can only be written for a 30 day supply, cannot have refills, only new prescriptions, and the new prescription cannot be filled prior to day 31.

Has anyone asked OP what dose he is taking and how many a day? It comes in 2.5, 5, 7.5, and 10mg. It is the baby aspirin of opioids. Of course if he is taking 4 10mg pills a day and his consumption has gone up, it is of concern, but if his dosage is lower and more consistent, it is of less concern.

OxyContin, meanwhile, starts at 10mg and goes up to 80mg.

by Anonymousreply 96September 15, 2022 12:55 PM

r95, if your doctor is lying about seeing you via telemedicine appointments so he can fill your opioid script without seeing you, that's a problem. The government only allowed giving scripts for opioids via telemedicine during COVID and that won't last forever.

by Anonymousreply 97September 15, 2022 12:59 PM

R97 What I describe began well before Covid-19.

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make.

If you would like to learn about something, read about long term use of low dose opioids for chronic pain and how it is beneficial as long as you are under the care of a physician.

There are new studies and guidelines more frequently now that take into account the people who were left behind (chronic pain sufferers) when Purdue got greedy.

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by Anonymousreply 98September 15, 2022 1:12 PM

[quote]I’m not sure what point you are trying to make.

That you and your doctor are not using loopholes, as you claim, but rather breaking the law, and you're suggesting the OP and his doctor do the same, which I would say is terrible advice, especially on a public forum.

by Anonymousreply 99September 15, 2022 1:16 PM

CDC general guidelines. They are recommending that chronic pain sufferers try to stick with under 50 MME per day. In Percocet (oxycodone) terms, that means no more than 30mg a day, per linked chart.

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by Anonymousreply 100September 15, 2022 1:17 PM

R99 OP says he has been taking pain medicine for ten years. He has not been clear on dosage or frequency, in person versus telemedicine.

OP should continue to try to get ahold of his doctor, as I suggested. If he asks his doctor for a script sent in or telemedicine and his doctor refuses, so be it. If the doctor does, great.

It’s not my responsibility to keep up with guidelines/laws, that is for my doctor and my pharmacist. If my doctor wants me to come in more frequently, I will. My concern is managing my long term pain through various methods.

by Anonymousreply 101September 15, 2022 1:30 PM

Clearly OP did NOT survive the night. Oh well, we tried to help.

by Anonymousreply 102September 15, 2022 2:09 PM

Haha OP here. As I got to the end of the thread and was about to start typing r102 popped up, proclaiming me dead. So be it!

I am holding off until 11 to try to contact my doctor again, because even if he is coming in today he's never in before 10.

I take 5mg pills and take at most two a day, but not always that much. My doctor has been doing telemedicine refills since the pandemic began, but before that I went in to get them every time. He had moved the count up to 120 so I didn't have to worry about going back in for refills as often, and I get the vibe that is what caught the pharmacist's eye, but I've been getting that amount since before the pandemic and it's been fine. I still take the same amount as ever, it just made the constant refilling process less constant.

I slept like hell last night but I feel weirdly calm right now. The pain is more of a dull numbness everywhere. My head is very foggy and I feel slow. I have come in to work because I have to continue working -- timing couldn't be worse for all of this, as this is my busiest time of the year at work; if all of this has to happen why not January? I know some of you will say I'm punting it down the road but Sept-Oct is seriously the WORST time for me work-wise, I am SO busy and need to be focused and dropping this into the middle of everything I'm doing right now could actually ruin my career.

by Anonymousreply 103September 15, 2022 2:21 PM

Can we have your stuff, OP?

by Anonymousreply 104September 15, 2022 2:32 PM

r104 you can have my dirty magazines and old pill bottles, I hereby bequeath

by Anonymousreply 105September 15, 2022 3:28 PM

Keep bugging your doctors office. If doc wants you to go in to see him, fine. But otherwise all he has to do is call the pharmacy and okay it. Shouldnt take this long.

by Anonymousreply 106September 15, 2022 3:30 PM

Sorry, but nowadays most MDs are all about CYA. I’d recommend you go to a pain management clinic or an MD/OD that specializes in pain management because they have more leeway in prescribing pain meds and will work with you to move you onto less controlled pain meds and/or a combination of less prohibited meds.

It's all such a shame since we are supposedly a “free country” but the sad truth is that our govt is prominently standing there between you and your doctor and the govt is most certainly IN YOUR FREAKING BEDROOM too and monitoring what you can and cannot do!

FUCK THE USA and their hypocrisy.

by Anonymousreply 107September 15, 2022 3:31 PM

OP again. Spoke to the woman at my doctor's office that I've spoken to over this entire ordeal - she said the doctor is in today and when he's done with the appointment he's currently in she'll have him call the pharmacy. I guess we will see what happens - I feel like one of those scared puppies who expect to be abused at this point (Yes yes MARY) but I'm too skittish and barely-coherent enough to get my hopes up yet. If he does just call them and if he does manage to convince that pharmacist to fill the goddamned prescription that's been sitting in front of her for four days, I'm just plain worried about going into that Walgreens again. I will never go after I get these pills, not after how rude and unprofessional they were. But I might straight up HISS at that awful woman when she's right there in front of me

by Anonymousreply 108September 15, 2022 3:54 PM

If you're crossing the desert and run out of water at the halfway point, do you turn back for water or move forward? I know current timing is bad, but eventually you'll have to cross the desert again.

by Anonymousreply 109September 15, 2022 4:10 PM

Of course they’re CYA, there are consequences now to their actions in relation to opioids. I know a doctor who prescribed pain pills to his boyfriend (yes, the boyfriend needed them), and lost his license. No doubt he shouldn’t have done it, but missteps like this are being punished.

by Anonymousreply 110September 15, 2022 4:18 PM

[quote] If you're crossing the desert and run out of water at the halfway point, do you turn back for water or move forward?

R109 oom....d-dunno....wot's the question agen....?

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by Anonymousreply 111September 15, 2022 4:31 PM

Yesterday while driving around I listened to Terry Gross interview Nina Totenberg about her friendship with the late Ruth Bader Ginsberg. How this woman survived as long as she did is a miracle. She used Lidocaine skin patches for chemo related pain and apparently they helped her quite a bit.

by Anonymousreply 112September 15, 2022 4:41 PM

Pills

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by Anonymousreply 113September 15, 2022 4:43 PM

Pills

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by Anonymousreply 114September 15, 2022 4:45 PM

Pills!

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by Anonymousreply 115September 15, 2022 4:45 PM

Pills....:'(

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by Anonymousreply 116September 15, 2022 4:52 PM

If we see a CNN Breaking News alert about an eldergay holed up in a Walgreen's, holding a pharmacist hostage inside a fort made out of toilet paper rolls, we'll know it's you, OP.

by Anonymousreply 117September 15, 2022 4:56 PM

There is so much misinformation on this thread that it's sickening. Especially the assholes lecturing people in pain from on high with their self-righteousness shining bright.

The basic thing many of you have gotten wrong is that when you need the pain medications for actual pain, they work like they are supposed to and return you to a stasis that people who aren't in pain maintain daily. You don't get high. You don't get anything but pain relief. Those are the people who have been on the same amount for any number of years without needing higher and higher amounts.

It is the junkie losers who use pain meds to get their little highs who are the problem. When you take these medications without having any pain for them to treat, you get other effects. That is what they are seeking and they need more and more of it to get their little highs. That's why they seek out street drugs and die. They aren't taking it to maintain the pain free state that those with chronic pain need them for so their body uses it for other purposes.

And, don't give me the excuse about these addicts who got hooked because some dentist gave them a week's worth of pills after their surgery. Those assholes would have gotten addicted to something else anyway. They were already addicts who hadn't found their substance yet. It's their responibility to take only what was prescribed for them. The moment they stole grandma's pain meds or went looking for something from some street dealer, it was all on them. That was their choice.

They need to stop punishing a bunch of suffering old people to coddle the fucking loser addicts.

by Anonymousreply 118September 15, 2022 5:02 PM

OP I wish you well and hope your doctor will resolve this. I too live with chronic pain - on a much, much lesser degree than you - but can fully relate to rude pharmacists who treat honest ppl as junkies.

Please keep us posted, sending you love and hugs.

by Anonymousreply 119September 15, 2022 5:42 PM

R117 🤣🤣

by Anonymousreply 120September 15, 2022 5:42 PM

R118, many addicts have become addicts because they started out taking pain medication for REAL pain. The body always wants to stay in stasis, as you said, so you need more and more medicine to keep the pain away as the body compensates. Then when the medicine is cut off for whatever reason, the pain returns ten fold, leaving these people with no alternative but to seek drugs on the street.

There needs to be real research done to alleviate pain that does not involve opioids. But they were such money makers for drug companies that this research hasn’t been done.

by Anonymousreply 121September 15, 2022 6:04 PM

I don't get why they can't just keep prescribing the opiates (opiods?). Just give them to people who need them and we won't become junkies. Who cares if you take them forever. They are miracle pills and should be used.

I disagree that Tramadol is anything close to Vicodin. Tramadol is fine and should be over the counter. Especially for people who aren't supposed to take ibuprofen because of things like kidney issues.

by Anonymousreply 122September 15, 2022 6:14 PM

R122, I agree with you, but we are, to a significant degree, a puritanical, punitive culture.

by Anonymousreply 123September 15, 2022 6:29 PM

Who cares if someone gets physically addicted if they have chronic pain?

It’s a physical reaction, not a moral crime.

The number of hand wringing fraus on this thread is unreal?

by Anonymousreply 124September 15, 2022 7:27 PM

R124, yes, the point being that people see it as a moral crime or failing. It colors everything they think about people who need opiates for pain. Those people who look down upon addicts? There but for the grace of God goes you.

by Anonymousreply 125September 15, 2022 7:31 PM

OP, what’s your status? Has the eagle landed?

by Anonymousreply 126September 15, 2022 9:35 PM

OP here, summoned by your concern - thanks for asking. My doctor is insisting he see me, as in an in-person visit, since it's been two years since that's happened thanks to the pandemic. Which is FINE, except he doesn't have an open appointment until MONDAY. I'm waiting to see if he'll prescribe me at least some muscle relaxants to get me through the weekend so my neck will stop freaking out. I have spent most of today in some sort of suspended animation in my brain, nervous I'll spiral if I move too quick or think too hard

by Anonymousreply 127September 15, 2022 9:42 PM

[quote] Opiate withdrawal is life-threatening. It causes seizures and death in some cases.

No it doesn’t, stop trying to scare OP!

by Anonymousreply 128September 15, 2022 9:54 PM

R86 Wrong. A PA can prescribe all scripts, including narcotics, in all states, just not in PR. Rules for NPs vary by state, but in many they can prescribe Schedule II drugs including narcotics. It must be picked up in person, but you might not need to schedule an office visit if it is something you get regularly. I was prescribed a Schedule II drug (Ritalin) for eleven years and only actually saw the doctor twice a year, I just popped into the office every couple of months and picked up my scripts from the receptionist.

by Anonymousreply 129September 15, 2022 9:56 PM

Ritalin is sugar pills. It doesn’t do shit. Pure air.

I feel sorry for you.

by Anonymousreply 130September 15, 2022 10:03 PM

I’ve taken OxyContin, Oxymorphone, Percocet, and one other for severe pain at one time in my life. They did nothing. Norco? That nothing of an opioid knocked the pain completely out.

by Anonymousreply 131September 15, 2022 10:24 PM

R131 OxyContin and Percocet contain the same opioid, called oxycodone. Percocet also has Tylenol in it. If one did nothing, neither would the other. Norco is a brand name of hydrocodone and it is not a 'nothing' of an opioid. It's what they prescribed to me to take home after abdominal surgeries, while I was in the hospital they administered IV Fentanyl in recovery and then IV morphine when I was in the regular room. Usually they would give Dilaudid but that does nothing for me even though it is supposed to be very strong.

by Anonymousreply 132September 16, 2022 12:25 AM

Oxy and Hydro are not the same. Oxy doesn’t work for some people. Morphine doesn’t work for some people. Norcos are the bottom of the barrel in opioids. Even the 10mg.

Also, we’ve gone insane with not prescribing them. Compete overreaction.

by Anonymousreply 133September 16, 2022 3:02 AM

It is so hypocritical that morphine is still prescribed post-surgery. Because people are in pain. No drama about addiction. But when someone is in intense back pain or something that wasn’t “surgery”, opioids are forbidden. This lunacy of the post-Purdue prescribing fascism has to end.

by Anonymousreply 134September 16, 2022 3:12 AM

I am also in extreme chronic pain. I find lidocaine patches help some I have both neck and back problems. I have been considering suicide the pain gets so bad and I have no quality of life. And prescription lidocaine for 30 patches is about $250 to $300 a month. but you can get about 5 patches for about 12 dollars over the counter. They are not as strong but they do help. I can't afford the patches so I'm sorta screwed. And of course no pain pills. I wouldn't even care if I'm addicted I'm old and probably don't have much time anyway because I have pretty severe COPD.

by Anonymousreply 135September 16, 2022 3:14 AM

Our knee-jerk reflexive pendulum swinging is such a bummer for people. I’m sorry, but not all drugs are addictive, not all people who take them get addicted. If that were the case, we would *all* be addicted, and I do mean all. We’ve been sold an ideology around pain meds and it’s bullshit. Compassion is always the answer, always.

by Anonymousreply 136September 16, 2022 3:16 AM

When you’re in chronic pain you really don’t get addicted. Your brain processes the meds differently. You don’t get the intense high if you are truly in pain. You feel good, sure. I took pain meds (Vic) for 5 years due to an injury which required surgery. Insurance was the reason I couldn’t get surgery sooner. Once the issue was corrected, I weaned off within two months. And I did at times take more than I should because I was like FUCK IT I want to feel good. It was easy getting off them. I didn’t miss them at all.

by Anonymousreply 137September 16, 2022 3:21 AM

I saw the title and thought - finally a musical focused on pharmacology. I’m can’t begin to express my disappointment.

by Anonymousreply 138September 16, 2022 3:22 AM

R138 I thought it might be the promised Prince musical.

by Anonymousreply 139September 16, 2022 3:25 AM

you will not make it till Monday without severe consequences. Why would your doc do that to you? You should INSIST that he not put you through such discomfort. And he needs to call in a few days worth to A DIFFERENT pharmacy.

Also. Why can’t you transfer it? All you have to do to go a CVS and tell them you have a Rx at ____ and you want to fill it there. That’s all you have to do. Why don’t you know you have a right to transfer?

You don’t even need the doc for that.

One pharmacist can’t block you from filling at another one.

by Anonymousreply 140September 16, 2022 3:31 AM

As a matter of fact if op doesn’t speak to r149 then this whole thread is fake and done to exaggerate the lack of access to opioids.

by Anonymousreply 141September 16, 2022 3:32 AM

[quote]The body always wants to stay in stasis, as you said, so you need more and more medicine to keep the pain away as the body compensates. Then when the medicine is cut off for whatever reason, the pain returns ten fold, leaving these people with no alternative but to seek drugs on the street.

You are wrong. There are multiple people on this thread alone who have told you they have been on the same amount for a decade or more. That is what happens when someone is using it to relieve real pain. There is an amount that works and it keeps working. Yes, you get dependent on them but it's in the same way people with depression are dependent on their depression meds. Should we take them all off their meds because some people abuse them and then tell them to fuck off when they are suffering. And, no, everyone does not go out and seek street drugs you moron. They just suffer and suffer and suffer and suffer.

My mother was on the exact same two Norco every six hours for over 10 years until the "opiod epidemic" became famous and stupid people who like easy answers jumped on the 'Nooooooooooo, you can't have any of those!!!' bandwagon. Those eight a day worked exactly like they were supposed to and gave her a quality of life she no longer has because they can only give you six a day now (and she had to fight and try every other pain relief scheme doctors could figure out to make money off of her first). So, she tries to time things out and spread out those six pills now but sometimes wakes up in screaming pain and has to take an extra one in the middle of the night. So, every month, she runs out a little early and gets to suffer in extreme pain before she can get it refilled.

Fuck all those addicts. I'm glad they are dead. Human refuse.

by Anonymousreply 142September 16, 2022 3:38 AM

OP, this will no doubt sound horribly naive, but while you're waiting for a conclusion, could you try Ben Gay? It's a cheap topical balm, over the counter and available anywhere.

I've used it for muscle pain in the past and it did work, though only for two hours or so. But you can keep reapplying it. Even if it doesn't totally relieve you, it will surely help somewhat.

by Anonymousreply 143September 16, 2022 3:40 AM

[quote]Also. Why can’t you transfer it? All you have to do to go a CVS and tell them you have a Rx at ____ and you want to fill it there. That’s all you have to do. Why don’t you know you have a right to transfer?

Another bunch of ignorant bullshit from on high.

The bullshit around prescriptions for opioids is ridiculous. In some states, they cannot be transferred. You need a new prescription. If a pharmacy doesn't have enough pills to fill the entire prescription, they will give you a partial but then are not allowed to give you the rest when they get them in AND you can't get another prescription, even if it's just for the remaining amount they shorted you, because of the 30 day timing constraints. Where I am, my mother literally has to call the pharmacy the morning that the prescription is okayed to fill and tell them to fill it because, unlike other medications, they will not even prefill it to have it ready for you to pick up automatically. And, if an asshole pharmacist like OP's decides to flag you, all bets are off.

by Anonymousreply 144September 16, 2022 3:48 AM

I guarantee that R140/R141 has never suffered pain any worse than a fucking hangnail. Do you even realize how fucking arrogant you sound while dousing us all in your spewed ignorance?

by Anonymousreply 145September 16, 2022 3:52 AM

Is OP in a state that can’t transfer UNFILLED rx?

Why would that be against the law? Take the rx to another state

I’m afraid this story is either fake or will end badly. At a corner drug dealer or a pain clinic at best.

by Anonymousreply 146September 16, 2022 3:56 AM

I find it hard to believe you can’t just transfer an unfilled rx and tell that pharmacist to shove it (after the transfer and pick up of course)

by Anonymousreply 147September 16, 2022 3:56 AM

Now they are making us get a new prescription every month for Ambian I found out today. I used to get a prescription every 3 months not I have to get it every month. I is ridiculous what the pharmacies put you through.

by Anonymousreply 148September 16, 2022 3:59 AM

Right now, opioids are the best treatment for moderate to severe pain. Now, I’ve known countless people who had major surgery (one adult had tonsils out and we know how painful that is). Opioids were not even offered and a very ugly “no” given when she asked. Everyone was offered Tylenol 3 or 4 or Tramadol and a few were denied that!

It is very, very easy now to detect a pill seeker (everything is tracked) from someone truly in pain. You literally can’t abuse them now because, as people are pointing out, the process to get them is highly controlled.

And you know what? They do make you feel good. Big deal. If you’re in pain you deserve to feel good.

by Anonymousreply 149September 16, 2022 4:12 AM

It’s sinful how the govt and financial liabilities make it impossible for people to get their properly prescribed medications. And it’s very true that once a med becomes scheduled, you can assume it’s off the market because it’s so difficult to get filled. And you do know that the govt FDA routinely adds controlled substances so old but effective meds are forbidden and no one knows why or who is on yhe FDA because they are not elected officials - just a random assemblage of unnamed doctors.

It’s a sin that now the liability issues that concern pharmacies and the pharmaceutical industry takes priority over your personal health needs. But that’s the way it works. An activist pharmacist can flag you and once you’re flagged, it comes up on every pharmacy’s computer. So there’s no way to get around it and your right to privacy is zilch. They can tell your doctor that he’s not following protocols and threaten to take away their license. The DEA can get involved as well. HIPAA is a joke because nothing is private anymore.

The other thing is you can develop tolerance to everything eventually. And it’s all about the money. How is it safe for someone to take Zzquil for sleep? Do they care if you buy a bottle of vodka and Tylenol and destroy your liver? They don’t care. What if you can’t sleep and end up in a driving accident and kill people? It’s all about liability and their bottom line

Prescriptions should strictly concern only your doctor and you and nobody and nothing else! We need to start bringing this issue into our election process and reform it.

by Anonymousreply 150September 16, 2022 4:39 AM

An idea could be that you must sign a release of liability form for all scheduled medications so that if anything happens that you understand the risks and own responsibility of any outcome.

Simple and logical. But we’re stupid sheeple.

by Anonymousreply 151September 16, 2022 5:02 AM

It’s the long awaited true musical version of Valley of the Dolls (as opposed to a movie with musical interludes). I hope “Pills! Pills! Pills!” is better to VOTD than Applause was to All About Eve.

by Anonymousreply 152September 16, 2022 5:29 AM

It’s so hypocritical to allow the sale of alcohol but then ban weed in most states.

by Anonymousreply 153September 16, 2022 5:59 AM

R153

uh, where have you been? Weed is gradually being unbanned all across the country...there's only 13 states where it's still totally illegal.

by Anonymousreply 154September 16, 2022 8:13 AM

[quote]It is so hypocritical that morphine is still prescribed post-surgery. Because people are in pain. No drama about addiction.

There’s also a big push in hospitals to limit opioid use during and after surgery today. Things like nerve blocks, long-acting local administered by the surgeon, and drugs like IV Tylenol, IV lidocaine, and ketamine are all being used to reduce or eliminate opioid use.

by Anonymousreply 155September 16, 2022 10:51 AM

OP here. For those of you asking why I don't just transfer the prescription -- I tried that online and it said that "controlled substances" have to be coordinated with the pharmacist, which I think leads me right back to that awful woman at Walgreens who started this whole business doesn't it? I don't want to get flagged or whatever y'all have been talking about as a drug-seeker if I go trying to get around this hurdle in some sketchy way.

I had another terrible night's sleep, but I feel about the same as I did yesterday now that I'm up, which is dead-brained and unable to turn my head. My doctor didn't get back to me yesterday about at least giving me something to get me through the weekend. I hate constantly calling, they're making me feel like a maniac.

by Anonymousreply 156September 16, 2022 12:15 PM

R148, is that your state that’s requiring Ambien to be filled monthly only? I used to be on it years ago for chronic insomnia, and it definitely was an enjoyable high, along with totally helping my insomnia. My doctor convinced me to go to Lunesta, which is also a schedule IV, but doesn’t have the same buzzy high feeling as Ambien. I really miss Ambien! But the Lunesta does the one job it needs to do—it helps me fall asleep. There’s no feeling of being high at all with Lunesta, and I’d be bummed if I couldn’t get it every three months.

by Anonymousreply 157September 16, 2022 12:54 PM

Is it Lunesta that leaves that awful metallic taste in your mouth? I’m thinking it is.

OP - If your dr. Is suddenly playing scarce, it probably means that that pharmacist has told him that your pain med is not meant for “long term” use due to tolerance issues. If you contend that after ten years you have not developed tolerance, they may claim that is chemically impossible and therefore the med must have a placebo effect on you and therefore the med is not necessary. I’ve heard this shit too. Be careful. If you try to go to another dr. than you are “doctor shopping” and will be flagged again.

Go to a pain management clinic and they can put you on less controlled meds for pain, like Soma or Celebrex.

by Anonymousreply 158September 16, 2022 1:17 PM

R158, it did at the beginning but it went away after a few weeks.

by Anonymousreply 159September 16, 2022 1:20 PM

R157. I didn’t get high on Ambien, but it gave me terrible munchies in the middle of the night and I gained weight, plus my family thought I was sleepwalking and eating in a trance. I was conscious of what I was doing, but family thought it was strange. I have a cousin that took Ambien and started driving to the airport completely unaware of what she was doing and couldn’t even remember doing it.

Thus, it can effect people differently and should be taken as directed I.e., going straight to bed.

(Note: said cousin was a ditz and couldn’t read directions on a bottle to save her life, so I discount her entirely.)

by Anonymousreply 160September 16, 2022 1:29 PM

I still don't understand why you didn't go into your pharmacy when the pharmacist in question wasn't working, and deal with someone else.

I also don't understand how you have your doctor's personal phone number but he's randomly not showing up for office hours, and will go a week without resolving this issue -- especially since opiate withdrawal is real -- or how your clinic doesn't have a procedure to follow in these instances, or why they haven't just called the pharmacist.

My clinic has the entire procedure for getting pain med refills printed out and posted all over the clinic, in each room and in the waiting room and in the triage area and over where the nurse's desks are.

by Anonymousreply 161September 16, 2022 1:37 PM

Kratom. Look into it.

by Anonymousreply 162September 16, 2022 2:21 PM

R161. It doesn’t matter if stated pharmacist is working or not. Her notations are in the computer system and if she notes that there is a problem that has been flagged, then this notation appears on every pharmacy’s computer screen when they access the pts account to fill the script. This is not hard to understand, is it?

by Anonymousreply 163September 16, 2022 2:53 PM

Blame asshole suburban junkies and their enablers in the media. Magazines and newspapers will print a thousand sob story articles about how Jayden and Kaydees lives were ruined after stealing pills from Great Aunt Idas medicine cabinet but sure don't seem to care about all the chronic pain sufferers who can't access needed meds. A lot of medical care providers are now worried about being sued.

by Anonymousreply 164September 16, 2022 3:03 PM

I'll add that I usually have some degree of compassion for addicts but watching the effect that reaction to the " opioid crisis" has had on chronic pain sufferers has hardened me. Also I'm a bit prejudiced because the 2 opiate pill addicts I knew were both massive right wing mean assholes. Long before they touched those pills.

by Anonymousreply 165September 16, 2022 3:09 PM

R165, but why make it about taking sides? Lose the self-righteousness. Nobody who is a full-tilt addict is happy, they will tell you how much they are suffering. And you want to judge them? Our society has lost all compassion. Can you imagine if FDR had your attitude during the Great Depression? “All these low-lives need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop asking the rest of us for a handout.”

Compassion matters.

by Anonymousreply 166September 16, 2022 3:17 PM

R161 isn't very bright.

R166 is a former addict who still hasn't figured out that coddling those poor, unfortunate little addicts is costing innocent people suffering in unbearable pain to suffer even more. My compassion goes to the latter.

by Anonymousreply 167September 16, 2022 5:48 PM

Fuck off r167, truly. You can only think in black and white, eh? And who is coddling exactly, and how are we coddling? You’re a tool and you know it.

by Anonymousreply 168September 16, 2022 5:52 PM

R168, they have literally changed all the laws to keep these little assholes from getting pills and that has caused people in actual pain to have to bear the brunt of the suffering. You're the one thinking in black and white. Why do you think selfish asshole addicts who caused their own problems should be put on equal footing, let alone above, those suffering pain through no fault of their own? Because you or someone you know is a fucking addict, no doubt. It's never their fault.

by Anonymousreply 169September 16, 2022 6:00 PM

I would go back into the pharmacy with a cane and walk really slowly. When they won't give you your pills, ask to speak to the store manager (although I know they have no control over the pharmacy). Be nice as hell but cause as much of a scene as possible. If they call the police to try to get you out, fall down and call 911. Not kidding about this.

by Anonymousreply 170September 16, 2022 6:01 PM

OP, it is essential that you come across as together, well-dressed, problem-free, educated, not ruffled, and even a bit elegantly casual, but also respectfully complimentary and deferential to your doctor who is writing your scripts, as if you could be socially on his level, but are simply in awe at how his vast wisdom gives you the ability to participate fully in life with zest. Never, ever be late or reschedule an appointment unless it’s a true emergency,, pay your bills immediately, and if something happens that the doc should be informed of like a hospitalization for some other reason - type up your own brief, well-written summary with some reassuring vital stats and the name of one of the docs you saw. This makes you seem organized and reasonable.

Always look impeccable when you have an appt or even when you just stop by the receptionist’s desk. They gossip all day long.

It’s a delicate balancing act, but you want to be the opposite of desperate, crazed, down and out, sloppy, complaining, anxious, fearful, etc.

All that spells possible unstable litigant these days to doctors

by Anonymousreply 171September 16, 2022 6:07 PM

Never write anything in all caps or with exclamation points to your doctor or doc’s receptionist. Always maintain excellent banter with the receptionists, ask about their children and so forth. Be very warm with them.

by Anonymousreply 172September 16, 2022 6:10 PM

R170 is a terrible idea.

Are you quite mad?

by Anonymousreply 173September 16, 2022 6:24 PM

Waaay back at r142. They body wanting to be in stasis is a scientific fact.

by Anonymousreply 174September 16, 2022 6:31 PM

Prescriptions don't go on forever. Typically, a prescription will provide around six months of medication at the most. Afterwards, the prescription must be renewed with the authorization of the prescriber. Most pharmacies will contact the prescriber to get the prescription renewed. A pharmacist can't arbitrarily renew a prescription, and doing so with an opiate like Percocet could get the pharmacist into a lot of trouble.

by Anonymousreply 175September 16, 2022 6:39 PM

Go to the ER. They'll order a new MRI. You need one anyway. They'll give you a pain meds and a more immediate appointment than you can get on your own with a neuro. Have it called in to a new pharmacy. You likely need a cervical collar, P/T, long term pain management clinic or a discectomy/laminectomy (& maybe some hardware). Try Kratom. Delta 8. Regular pot. (Of course the D8 & pot depend on your drug testing at work)>

by Anonymousreply 176September 17, 2022 2:30 AM

If you are dealing with this via your PCP instead of a neuro, demand a bone density study- Insurance will ALWAYS recommend P/T to someone before a MRI or density testing...Which can lead to worse issues. This is of course if you don't present to the ER. The ER will make you wait FOREVER but you'll get a MRI- which is what you need. If it's been several years since your last the deterioration could be substantial. I literally sneezed one day, couldn't move from a half-upright position and wound up with a L4/L5 lam/discectomy- the discs were the size of golf balls. I have a high tolerance for pain, and a few years later my left shoulder/hand/arm went numb unless I was holding it over my head. Woke up screaming on Christmas day night at my mother's. Got into her neuro in a few days, C-3-C6 are now hardwired, again, bulging discs.. My partner was shocked that the back of my neck was no longer bulging.

by Anonymousreply 177September 17, 2022 2:42 AM

Also- you likely have a compressed nerve. Has your doctor referred you to a neuro? Tried you on a short term-Prednisone dose pack? A neuro would be able to differentiate between a nerve issue or a bone/disc issue.

by Anonymousreply 178September 17, 2022 2:48 AM

[quote]Go to the ER. They'll order a new MRI. You need one anyway. They'll give you a pain meds and a more immediate appointment than you can get on your own with a neuro.

The ER is going to give this person two Vicodin pills, and a referral to a detox clinic.

by Anonymousreply 179September 17, 2022 3:01 AM

R175 Arriviste.

by Anonymousreply 180September 17, 2022 4:43 AM

I'm a huge fan of Lidocaine patches. If you have access to Costco they're about $17 for a box of 15 Salon Pas patches. Some of the store brands, like Rite-Aid don't work as well. Resellers online sell Salon Pas as well.

by Anonymousreply 181September 17, 2022 4:48 AM

I DEMAND A BONE DENSITY STUDY, YOU FRENCH FAGGOTS!!!!

by Anonymousreply 182September 17, 2022 5:09 PM

[quote]A few years ago I weaned myself off OxyContin by switching to Kratom. It is legal and it not prescription so it’s very easy to get and it’s pretty cheap. It has worked well for me.

And now you may very well end up on Suboxone for kratom addiction, as it is addictive and causes withdrawal just like opiates. Good luck with that slippery slope.

-Dr who has treated kratom addicts with Suboxone

by Anonymousreply 183September 17, 2022 7:20 PM

[quote]And he needs to call in a few days worth to A DIFFERENT pharmacy.

In most states, one can no longer "call in" any schedule II drugs. It must be sent over electronically.

No doctor "needs" to call in any opiate script. No pharmacist needs to fill your opiate script automatically.

Silly opiate addicts - you no longer call the shots. No doctor or pharmacist is going to risk getting their license in trouble for your fix.

And yes, being on opiates for years is now a TED FLAG as it should be.

Watch out for street-bought opiates, though - cause, fentanyl.

Start tapering down on your opiates and manage your pain like every Canadian, British, Swedish, German, etc does - without opiates. NO really, it can be done! The rest of the world manages without shoving percocets down their maws.

by Anonymousreply 184September 17, 2022 7:26 PM

^ and no you idiot, if the doc sends the script to a different pharmacy, the electronic record remains of a failed attempt to get opiates, which will raise concerns with a different pharmacy.

And what doctor wants to risk their license pharmacy shopping for you?

You sound too stupid, or perhaps longterm use of benzos and opiates has rendered your entitled self into a dope-addled idiot.

by Anonymousreply 185September 17, 2022 7:28 PM

[quote]Go to the ER. They'll order a new MRI. You need one anyway. They'll give you a pain meds and a more immediate appointment than you can get on your own with a neuro.

[quote]The ER is going to give this person two Vicodin pills, and a referral to a detox clinic.

Yep, what are we in, a time machine from 25 years ago? No fucking person in an ER is going to give you pain meds unless you are being admitted with something like cancer mets to the bone, in which case you would be HOWLING in the worse pain ever. No, seriously, some of the worst pain ever imaginable. No ER will give you opiates for any back issue, etc.

by Anonymousreply 186September 17, 2022 7:36 PM

Bingo R118

by Anonymousreply 187September 17, 2022 11:15 PM

R179 & R186- The ER gave me a toradol shot, IV morphine and then a MRI, after which they gave me 15 days of Percocet and got me into me to a neuro that week. This was 5 years ago though and in Charlotte, NC.

by Anonymousreply 188September 20, 2022 12:17 PM

You alive OP?

by Anonymousreply 189September 22, 2022 12:46 AM

Pillsh are jusht TERRIF!

by Anonymousreply 190September 22, 2022 12:50 AM

[quote] How is it safe for someone to take Zzquil for sleep?

r150 While there are multiple complications in regular use; side effects, dangerous interactions, toxicity, etc... the biggest risk (and one of the least publically known) is the supression of comment ailments, such as pneumonia or the flu. . . it supresses symptoms but doesn't actually get rid of it and in many cases, prolongs it. This can be dangerous even in healthy people but in those with compromised immune systems, lung problems or other related health problems, it can be deadly.

by Anonymousreply 191September 22, 2022 1:03 AM

^ comment = common

by Anonymousreply 192September 22, 2022 1:06 AM

Hey r189 - OP is indeed alive, and here I am. I was wondering (in a non-pathetic way I swear) if this thread would get remembered and bumped, kind of hoping it wouldn't be haha - I eventually had to stop checking it because nothing was changing and thinking about all of this too much was only further exacerbating my stress levels -- there was so much back and forth on what I needed to be doing but I just needed to shut down and stare at the wall for those last few days.

But yes alive, things only got properly sorted out TODAY after an excruciating week and a half of Kafka-esque proportions. I saw my doctor on Monday, the pharmacist dicked us around for another 24 hours, I tried different pharmacies only to have them have nothing ins tock, etc etc. But today I finally managed to get my old prescription refilled. It looks like I'm going to have to get a smaller count at a time so I'll have to re-up the script more often, but I'm just glad to have some goddamned relief for a moment. I feel so much better today after a really exhausting and dispiriting week.

Thanks to everyone here who had advice or just listened and was kind.

by Anonymousreply 193September 22, 2022 2:42 AM

And, for those asshole who kept going on and on about it being withdrawal...OP would have been past the worst of that by a week in. He was still in excruciating pain a week and a half later. That pain was helped by his pain pills because that's what pain pills do for people who actually need them.

by Anonymousreply 194September 22, 2022 2:46 AM

Mama, I think they're calling you. Your preshciptshunsh musht be ready...

by Anonymousreply 195September 22, 2022 2:54 AM

Glad you finally got them and feel better! What was the pharmacists reason for not giving them until Wed when you saw MD on Monday? Such cunts. I would find another pharmacy next time, look around and ask ahead of time if they will have in stock etc.

by Anonymousreply 196September 22, 2022 3:08 AM

Glad you finally got your prescription & relief, OP!

by Anonymousreply 197September 22, 2022 3:16 AM

Why didn’t you just call the local pharmacy chain like cvs or Walgreens and transfer, what’s with the “tried that online” bs.

Pick up the phone and transfer that damn prescription. Her stupid notes aren’t going anywhere and don’t mean squat. You went through all this because you’re an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 198September 22, 2022 3:20 AM

R198, you idiot, it has been explained to the likes of you multiple times in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 199September 22, 2022 6:20 AM

This is another good reason to move to Europe.

by Anonymousreply 200September 22, 2022 8:27 AM

OP, How are you doing?

by Anonymousreply 201October 10, 2022 7:10 AM

Thank God COVID has been declared “over” so we can get pills, pills, pills from India.

by Anonymousreply 202October 13, 2022 3:37 PM

The OP is an addict. Classically addicted and shows every symptom of an addict.

Instead of bitching about his "lack" of pills, he should be trying to get off them and find other ways to control the pain or learn to live with it.

But no, like the pot heads that wanted to legalize it, now we have, increase in traffic accidents, more people experimenting with harder drugs and the only reason they wanted it legal was to get high. Study after study confirms marijuana has virtually no effect on pail.

by Anonymousreply 203October 18, 2022 12:29 PM

[quote]Instead of bitching about his "lack" of pills, he should be trying to get off them and find other ways to control the pain or learn to live with it.

Says someone who has most likely never been in severe chronic pain. Of course, now we'll get a list of the hundreds of pains suffered by R203 throughout his life because he doesn't understand the difference between pain that will end and pain that will never end. But I hope he finds out really soon. Completely ignorant asshole.

by Anonymousreply 204October 18, 2022 1:15 PM

CVS/Walgreens treat pharmacists like “individual contractors” and threaten these rote-memory nerds with termination and liability if they do not They should learn a little about the law and their rights instead.

(p.s. Fucking use a calculator to calculate moles to milliliter dilutions, you stupid rote-memory over-paid nerds).

by Anonymousreply 205October 18, 2022 1:28 PM

Link for rote-memory independent contractor “scientific” nerds.

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by Anonymousreply 206October 18, 2022 1:31 PM

Rote-memory overpaid pill-counter nerds should advise pain sufferers to buy some Tylenol/acetaminophen and vodka instead. Also add ipecac while you’re at it.

by Anonymousreply 207October 18, 2022 1:36 PM

Learn something outside of your over-priced pharmacy license diploma mills.

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by Anonymousreply 208October 18, 2022 2:56 PM

R103. Please post verificata.

by Anonymousreply 209October 18, 2022 3:49 PM

FUCK it harder! Meant r203.

by Anonymousreply 210October 18, 2022 4:04 PM

Mrs. Fucking. Patrick. Campbell.

by Anonymousreply 211October 18, 2022 4:36 PM

Wait, what is happening in my thread? I don't know what you people are even talking about haha. To r201 I am doing okay. My doctor gave me a lower count prescription which means I'll have to fill the dumb thing every four to five weeks now, but he says it should keep the invasive pharmacist whores off my back. Literally I guess, since my back is what the pills are for! But I am doing fine, thanks for checking. That was a really bad, awful week and I appreciated you guys helping me through it. Even the ones shrieking about what a disgusting addict loser I am!

by Anonymousreply 212October 19, 2022 2:21 AM

R212 Fuck'em, OP. Many of us know what's really happening.

by Anonymousreply 213October 19, 2022 3:46 AM
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