"Camilla, the Queen Consort"

I think in Australia her proper title is "Camilla, Queen of the Desert."

OP, you forgot "The Rottweiler."

They are probably taking their cue from the monarchy, which right now is calling her Queen Consort, partly to ease in gently and partly to avoid confusion. I'd guess shortly they will be calling her the Queen or Queen Camilla.

To be honest every time somebody refers to the Prince of Wales I think they mean Charles.

She'll probably just turn into Queen Camilla in a few years once the need to differentiate between Charles dead mother Queen, and his wife now Queen isn't needed as much. But for now statements like "the queen was seen walking in London" might make people think Elizabeth has pulled an Elvis.

They’re trying to soft-pedal the reality that Camilla, the adulteress divorcee, is now Queen.

Bow, peasants! Kneel before your Queen!

[quote]statements like "the queen was seen walking in London" might make people think Elizabeth has pulled an Elvis

That has nothing to do with calling her "Queen Camilla" vs. "Camilla, the Queen Consort."

I thought her title was She-Wolf of the Hons.

"I think in Australia her proper title is "Camilla, Queen of the Desert.""

That's just on account of her dry vag.

I'M the Queen Consort!

I want to know what she'll be called if she outlives Charles. Typically the Queen Consort (and Liz 2.0's mom *was* officially the Queen Consort until her husband's death) becomes the Queen Mother when a new King or Queen is coronated. But she's not William's mother so she probably won't be the Queen Mother, and Kate will become the next Queen Consort. Where does that leave Camilla?

And while I think the whole monarchy is stupid, I'm actually very happy that she's Queen Camilla now. She was in love with Charles first and his rotten family made him marry a lovely woman (Diana) who he didn't love and she didn't love him. She should have been his first and only wife. The only reason Camilla got a bad rap was because Diana was so beloved by the public and she was (rightfully) jealous of Camilla and disliked her.

Has anyone besides me noticed that she's, you know, horse faced?

You'd think she would be embarrassed looking like that in public.

Queen Camilla is correct. I don't remember anyone calling the Queen Mum Queen Consort in conversation. It was King George and Queen Elizabeth when they were on the throne.

She'd be Dowager Queen, which they typically are, or simply Queen Camilla.

Recall Kate, when her turn comes, is just called The Queen (or The Queen Consort.) So there is no confusion in referring to Queen Camilla as that. Also, Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother was a title invented in part because The Queen was also referred to as Queen Elizabeth so there was room for confusion.

I hesitate to use The Crown as an example of anything when it comes to accuracy regarding the crown, but this was fun and right:

[quote] I want to know what she'll be called if she outlives Charles. Typically the Queen Consort (and Liz 2.0's mom *was* officially the Queen Consort until her husband's death) becomes the Queen Mother when a new King or Queen is coronated.

Usually they just become known as "Queen [First name]," and are officially known as "The Dowager Queen" (which is never used outside of court documents because it sounds dowdy).

That's what happened with the wives of Edward VII and George V--they were referred to after their husbands deaths as "Queen Alexandra" and "Queen Mary," not "The Queen" (Camilla, btw, can now be referred to as "The Queen" and eventually likely will be by newspapers.)

"The Queen Mother" was a special styling created for the wife of George VI, planned well before he died, because if the papers referred to her as "Queen Elizabeth" when her daughter was also Queen Elizabeth II it would have been very confusing. Other countries liked the styling and have used it for retired queens even when there has been so confusion about the name. It would not be used for Camilla since she is not William's mother.

Thanks r13 and r14. I knew the term the Queen Dowager but had forgot about that, and didn't realize the Queen Mother was a new thing because they were both named Elizabeth. I knew they shared a name.

Camilla used to be called The Anus Horibilis. That was until Princess Markle entered the picture and then she got the nickname.....

'Markle' just reminds me of that Whitney Houston movie SPARKLE, which was a DREAMGIRLS rip-off.

[quote]Prince Philip was called "Prince Philip," not "Philip, the Prince Consort".

Because a prince is already a lower rank than the Queen, so there's no need to clarify it. Whereas a Queen and a King are at the same level, so "consort" is appropriate to indicate she's not the monarch.

That wasn't the case with Queen Elizabeth the future Queen Mother or Queen Mary, the previous consorts before Prince Philip, R18.

This is something new just for Camilla.

Also, Prince Consort is a title and he never got it.

^^No, it isn't.

I was referring to r19, not r20.

Queen Alexandra, Queen Mary, and Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother ALL had the title of the Queen Consort (and also Empress Consort) when their husbands were king. For example:

[quote] With the death of her mother-in-law, Queen Victoria, in 1901, Alexandra became queen-empress as consort to the new king.

And in addition:

[quote] On 6 May 1910, Edward VII died. Mary's husband ascended the throne and she became queen consort.

And Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother has a subsection entitled "Queen Consort" on her wikipedia page.

All queens are one of two kinds of queens: they are either the Queen Regnant or the Queen Consort (or, in the rare case of Mary II, they are both kinds simultaneously).

The title of Queen Consort was not specially created for Camilla.

R21 Actually it is both, it can be used just as a descriptive phrase to describe who a person is, or it can be a formal title. The only consort to have been given the official title was Prince Albert. Phillip was never given the title and it was one of several sore points in their marriage during her early reign.

[quote]All queens are one of two kinds of queens: they are either the Queen Regnant or the Queen Consort

... and the third kind -- Queen, Flaming.

^I heart you, R26.

And I see your Queen, Flaming

I'm the she wolf queen, that puta wishes.

[quote] Because a prince is already a lower rank than the Queen, so there's no need to clarify it. Whereas a Queen and a King are at the same level, so "consort" is appropriate to indicate she's not the monarch.

Yes, because it's clear that Philip as "Prince" was ranked lower than QE. Also, I think people's sentiments are just changing. The whole King and Queen thing does seem silly if you're not used to it. Like senior prom.

R18 the King and Queen are not equal. A King is always ranked higher than a Queen. This is why a King's wife can be called a Queen, but a Queen's husband isn't a King, because of the implications.

No. The rule is a woman's rank flows from her husband but women don't give rank to a husband. Kings and their wives are equal in rank (though not authority.) A Queen does not bow to her husband.

I'm the Queen Consort. Where's Diana now?

The sexist laws are creating the confusion. If Camilla can be queen, then Phillip should have been able to be king.

What will they call Prince George's husband if he marries a man? Will he be a Prince Consort? Or does he get to be King Consort?

I realize he's only 9 and I'm 50, but he's probably my last shot at marrying a king.

r34, he will absolutely not get to be King Consort, even if George does marry a man and he is given a title.

The UK is pretty clear there can only be no such title anymore after Philip V of Spain, the only King Consort in England's history. He tried to press his position to proclaim himself King Regnant when his wife Mary I, the Queen Regnant, died (resulting ultimately in his sending the Spanish Armada to try to conquer England), and so England and then the UK has never allowed the title to be used ever since. Victoria very much wanted the title for Albert, and her Prime Ministers and Parliament all refused despite her loud and insistent lobbying.

They lied and said she’d be Princess Consort when Charles became King…so it’ll only be a matter of time before it’s Queen Camilla (and not Queen Consort).

It [italic]IS[/italic] Queen Camilla, r37.

You've not read any of the posts in the thread above, have you?

Last Call Camilla

There was some question as to whether Camilla would be crowned queen when Charles became King but Elizabeth 2 made it clear she should be crowned queen as Charles is crowned King. BTW the term consort is to indicate that Camilla is married to charles, as by definition consort means spouse or in another context an associate or companion.

J'ADORE Queen Camilla. A boozin, faggin, helluva BROAD.

She smokes, she jokes, and she looks like she'd be the BEST company of a gossipy, tipsy evening.

I'll divorce her, and go on a whoring spree!

I always thought the person married to the actual Royal Family member with the lineage was always a "CONSORT." Queen Elizabeth actually elevated Camilla's title to Queen before she died, saying that she would be referred to as Queen instead of Princess. Prince Philip was never King Consort because the person married to the ruling authority can't outrank that person. And King outranks Queen. So he was always Prince I think.

They're emphasizing the Consort part for now because some people are actually stupid enough to think that she'd be the same kind of Queen of Elizabeth

R43 No…QE2 didn’t elevate Camilla.

The woman married to the King is ALWAYS the Queen Consort. Always. When talking about them people just drop the consort bit and say “King and Queen”. The late Queen’s parents were referred to that way, even though they were a King and Queen Consort.

After Diana died & Charles married Camilla, it was felt that people would struggle to accept her as Queen so it was suggested that when the time came she might be known as Princess Consort to make it all a bit more palatable to the Diana hysterics.

But there’s been a lot of water under the bridge since then and Camilla, while not massively popular, is largely accepted. So E2 felt that it would probably be best to stick to tradition and have a King and Queen. Camilla was not “elevated” from Princess, they just didn’t feel they needed to downgrade her to Princess Consort.

The nice old lady got swapped out for this?

Someone on YouTube referred to her as 'Camilla, Queen of Sorts.' 😂

If George marries a man why shouldn't he been Queen? He already will be.

Consort is a mashup of the words concubine and escort. Not many people know that.

49 portmanteau, not mashup.

Fascinating, R49. Not remotely true, of course. …although yanks tend not to care about facts.

America is derived from the Latin for - Ugly Fat Morons. Ame (Ugly) Ric (Fat) A (-a Without sense). Not a lot of people know that (although most could guess).

R51, come sit by me, bitch!

Being an American, I guess I could tell R49 was a joke, whereas R51 couldn't. Which itself is kind of strange, because Brits tend to have a great dry sense of humor, much more so than Americans. Maybe he was just searching for a vehicle to drop that grand zinger of a joke on us.

R45 In a way it can be said she elevated her. Charles and Camilla had agreed that while legally Queen, Camilla would go by Princess Consort in order to appease not only the public but also HM. It was well known that The Queen was not in favor of such a marriage and refused to even receive Camilla or attend an event where she was in attendance for years prior to the marriage. Then after the marriage Camilla got to work, being uncontroversial and acting as a perfect royal wife. She and Charles very wisely never pushed for her to be called Princess of Wales, even though legally she was entitled to the courtesy title. Once The Queen released the statement the other year it was an acknowledgement that Camilla had done her duty well and won over The Queen and most of the public, and if she said Camilla would be Queen, most others will not protest the move.

I hated Camilla, but her quiet commitment to her duties, her obvious love for her husband, the more I've learned about their early relationship, and the loving kindness she showed Catherine, and by extension William, she has won me over as well. And, I don't have video but I was a junior Diana screamer when she died.

If/when George marries a man, his husband would become a Prince and receive a Dukedom…because regardless of gender, the spouse can’t outrank the sovereign.

George is not necessarily gay. He could well be bi. He could take a wife and also keep a male favorite, like Edward II, James I, and William III all did.

Or, like most gay men, he could just stay single his whole life.

If he were gay it would be so hard to whore it up.

R56 I love to educate King James Version Bible readers about that.

R58 It's one of the many sacrifices of The Crown.

[quote] the loving kindness she showed Catherine, and by extension William

Why wouldn't Camilla be nice to Kate & William? She was the outsider, at first, not them.

William didn't like his stepmother for years after the marriage and Kate was a younger woman coming to steal her spotlight, And, Camilla was already in the family by that point. However, she went beyond just being nice to Kate and instead took time and befriended and helped to show her the ropes. She did exactly what William wishes someone had done for his mother. The reports are that Kate and Camilla likewise tried to do the same for Meghan, who rejected their help which has helped to lead to all the issues.

R62, did you type that with a straight face?

Since you’re such an authority on the BRF, surely you know Camilla made a show of befriending Diana in order to show her the ropes. The last thing William would’ve wanted was for the woman who so generously helped his mother to share her wisdom with his wife.

Kate and Camilla are friendly. I’m sure Camilla has offered some guidance here and there, but Kate’s husband has probably been more of a help in regards to carrying out royal duties.

Another thing about Prince Philip. He was already "Prince Philip of Greece & Denmark" before he married Elizabeth.

R63 It has been reported on multiple times around the weddings of both Will and Kate and Harry and Meghan, you can believe it or not. Camilla went out of her way to help Kate, earning her friendship, which in turn made William warm to her.

[quote] Another thing about Prince Philip. He was already "Prince Philip of Greece & Denmark" before he married Elizabeth.

That was merely a title in exile, so it didn't mean much to the snobs in charge of the palace (including the queen's parents originally).

And he had to renounce that princely title the day before he married her.

“An alienated Gary could have turned into a runaway nightmare for the Middletons, like Meghan’s father, Tom Markle, whose feelings of being dumped spewed out in the lead-up to his daughter’s wedding to Harry. Instead, the Middleton clan closed ranks around Uncle Gary, and he not only made the cut for the Westminster Abbey list but was given a prime seat. The Duchess of Cornwall, clearly well-briefed on the possible tripwires, “made a beeline for me,” he recalls. “I’m sorry for the bad press,” Gary told her. “Don’t think twice about it. I get the same myself,” replied Camilla, with complicit (and expert) charm.”

Excerpt From: Tina Brown. “The Palace Papers.” Apple Books.

Pay attention. Camilla is not well. No, I'm not being cruel or joking. Watch her in all these events for the funeral. Rumors are that she has developed Parkinson's Disease. If it is true, I feel bad for her.

I loved that tidbit in The Palace Papers (which also highlights the fact the Cambridges/Middletons also had the good sense to cooperate with Brown).

Prince Philip was regularly referred to as the Prince Consort.

I just call her fugly.

No, Prince Philip was always called Prince Philip (even though it was technically THE Prince Philip).

Even the Daily Mail has made a noticeable effort to always call Camilla “Queen Consort” or “the King’s Wife.”

She is known to suffer from osteoporosis and extreme arthritis, which must make many of these events torturous for her.

I never once heard Prince Philip referred to as "The Prince Consort." He was always Prince Philip or the Duke of Edinborough.

And yes, I know he was the Prince Consort. But almost no one referred to him that way.

Lots of questionable recollections in this thread.

No one seems to understand what I'm asking. I know Camilla is a Queen Consort and I know the difference between a Queen Consort and a Queen Regnant. I'm asking why Camilla is referred to in the press as "Queen Consort Camilla" when previous Queens Consorts like Elizabeth Bowles-Lyons and Mary of Teck were simply referred to as "Queen Elizabeth" and "Queen Mary" while their husbands reigned.

^^^ Good.

Nothing is free in this world.

R74 I would imagine it is simply to differentiate between her and the late Queen. Once the funeral is over and Queen Elizabeth II isn't dominating the news, they will not need to differentiate between them as much. Also, it is to get people used to the idea. Remember when they married the idea was that she would become Princess Consort, but slowly the public and QEII warmed to the idea of her being a Queen like she was entitled to be.

r56 sadly we do know that George will not be a looker so whomever he marries will be there for the title and money.

[quote][R74] I would imagine it is simply to differentiate between her and the late Queen.

I don't see how calling her "Queen Camilla" instead of "Queen Consort Camilla" makes any difference in relation to the late Queen Elizabeth. No one is going to hear or read "Queen Camilla" and think they're referring to Queen Elizabeth II.

R78 Because most of the time they aren't referred to by name but as the Queen. If you go back and look at the newsreels from the last King's reign they would sometimes call her Queen Elizabeth but usually just Queen which is what I suspect will happen with Camilla in the fullness of time. And right now the emphasis is on her title not her name, because that is the aspect people will have to adjust to.

Queen Camilla- She's earned that by loving that hideous man for decades.

R80 And it really must be love. The more I learn about the totality of their relationship, Charles is the villain not Camilla and ultimately he screwed up not only Diana's life but also Camilla's. What woman wants to go down in history with everyone knowing your lover wishes he could be your tampon.

[quote][R78] Because most of the time they aren't referred to by name but as the Queen.

OK, got it, but you're taking us down another rabbit hole. This thread isn't about calling anyone "the Queen." I get how that's confusing.

I'm asking why the press calls the current Queen "Queen Consort Camilla" rather than just "Queen Camilla." That has nothing to do with QEII.

R82 because after 70 years of there being one Queen there is now another, which might be confusing to the masses who are thick, as DL constantly illustrates.

R76 has it right. Right now and for the immediate future, Maybe the next couple of months, She is "queen consort" because "The Queen" is still very much Elizabeth II

When I look at Camilla, I don’t think “queen”. She doesn’t give that vibe at all. She’s barely looks like a duchess.

More like a schoolteacher. An eccentric one who doesn’t brush her teeth and hair.

This is not about [italic]you,[/italic] r85. That's not how the British system of royal primogeniture works.

I thought there is no "late Queen Elizabeth."

OT but is it Kate or Catherine? Katherine? C or K? Queen Katherine or Queen Catherine when the time comes? Queen Kate?

Look. I've been calling her...and Charles ...."Camilla" and "Charles" for years. I'm not changing. Period. That's who they are. Same with William and Harry and all the rest. Fuck these titles. They're all bullshit.

Catherine.

Why don't they just call her "Best in Show"?

[quote] The rule is a woman's rank flows from her husband but women don't give rank to a husband.

Honey--nothing's flowed out of Camilla in decades.

So did Kate Jackson outrank her when she played Mrs. King?

R91 W&W!

Honey, that's a good thing r92. The last thing this damn family needs is more disappointed non-heirs.

I think the traditional title for the widow of a king is "Queen Dowager", R10.

I always want to think and say "Queen Escort" whenever I see her on TV or read about her.

All I know is she’s fug as ALL hell.

Luckily the choice of consort for the King isn’t based on the opinion of some random fugly American such as yourself, R98.

[quote]r99 Luckily the choice of consort for the King isn’t based on the opinion of some random fugly American

What IS it based on, in her case? The willingness to spread her leathery legs for a newly married man?

They should send her the Outback, and she can be Camilla, Queen of the Desert.

God I get tired of trying to help Americans understand that:

a) the British royal family are not celebrities

and

b) Americans’ opinions about the British royal family are completely irrelevant

R102, I promise you aren’t helping anyone. Nobody has learned anything from you they haven’t read in a Tina Brown book or seen on the news. We just love getting the Brits riled up because we find the concept of royal families to be absolutely ridiculous.

Camilla has always been plain. She can get herself up to be attractive, but she has always been plain. And that was part of her attraction . Charles wants to be the star. He's very insecure about that or at least has been. And while he may be all empathetic and kindness itself to the "little people" he is hard on servants, and he has been know to have an explosive temper.It goes away quickly but tantrums are not unknown. And because Camilla has tremendous experience with horses believe it or not, she calms him and knows how to handle him as she would anything else in the stable. Their relationship works for them. Also, while Camilla is very intuitive and practical, she is no competition for him. Charles is the "intellectual" LOL! and the other thing is that she is fun. She is genuinely kind and she puts people at ease. The social set they both came from was a cesspool of infidelity with married people always having affairs . It was true for generations because marriages among the upper classes were almost always arranged for business or policial reasons. So having an affair, adultery was not a big deal. Unless you were looking for a Cinderella story with a handsome prince who lived in a castle, as Diana was.

It’s amazing how people refuse to acknowledge how much Charles craves attention. I suspect William will become his next target of derision as he and his beautiful family soak up the limelight. R104 is completely correct in their analysis.

As far as Camilla is concerned, I’ll just say this: We’ve all known people in our lives who aren’t fundamentally attractive, but they have a certain personality or sense of humor that makes them special. I’ve always assumed that’s the case with Camilla.

[quote]They should send her the Outback, and she can be Camilla, Queen of the Desert.

Or she could just pick up a shift waitressing.

I’m entitled to my opinion r86, so fuck off, why don’t you? I know how primogeniture works. What does that have to do with anything?

Camilla gives excellent head that is why he has kept her all these years. And she swallows too!

R105 No, R104’s “analysis” (if you can call it that) is not correct. It’s the usual turgid tripe belched out by Americans who think they’re experts because they’ve watched The Crown.

“Charles craves attention”? Really? He’s been getting attention for every second of his 73 years. What he probably craves is an end to morons continually slandering him.

[quote]R104 Camilla is genuinely kind and she puts people at ease.

Shouldn’t Diana be the one to speak to that? Big Liz might also have had a few remarks.

Is it true she doesn’t get along well with Anne ?

I hope Charles divorces her for a younger piece. Maybe Rose Hanbury. There’s been talk of that.

Wills and Kate would just LOVE bowing to THAT one.

When they were younger, Camilla and Anne were romantic rivals because they both dated Andrew Parker-Bowles. By the 90’s, Andrew wasn’t the issue, but Anne disliked the public way Charles carried on with Camilla while married.

[quote]R113 Anne disliked the public way Charles carried on with Camilla while married.

Well, of course. So did the Nation. It was an embarrassment.

And to think now every royal subject has to bow and scrape at the feet of these two inflated adulterers. Sickening.

Charles should resign as the head of the church. What does it have to say about serial adultery?

R114, the first head of the Church of England was Henry VIII. I think even serial wife-killing is ok with them.

The Church is so corrupt. The BRF fits right in over there.

You rang, OP?

Insightful, R116! You’re American, aren’t you?

v I think Anne was doing the nasty with Parker Bowles after they were married too. He was at the very least, engaged to Camilla. He was a pig who could not keep it zipped. So if there was any animosity between the two women, I can understand it. I also think Anne wondered if Camilla was fickle. Changeable.

Does being the head of the church come with a stipend? I’d be surprised if the Windsors did anything for free.

[quote]And to think now every royal subject has to bow [bold]and scrape at the feet[/bold] of these two inflated adulterers. Sickening.

"And scrape at the feet"?? You're exaggerating, Mary.

And it's not like the British have not had to bow to adulterous kings many, many, many, MANY times before. Henry VIII, James I, Charles I, William III, William IV, Edward VII... all of them were adulterers, and their people knew it.

Save the outraged schoolmarm act for church.

Camilla was in love with Parker Bowles. Apparently, a lot of women were. But he was considered to be the guy all the aristocrat women wanted. Camilla married Parker Bowles because she loved him, not Charles. It was only when he started to cheat openly again, that she turned to Charles. And Charles seemed to be obsessed by her. One hell of a triangle.

The Question Is:

Are Camilla’s pussy lips as leathery and weather beaten as her face?

Horsemilla is beyond hideous, but she does fit in with Chucky who is no looker himself.

Geezus Christ on a stick, I gotta get outta this thread now!

Let's take both ofyour ridiculous claims in order, r102. Here's the first one:

[quote]a) the British royal family are not celebrities

Let's see... the Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines "celebrity" thus:

[quote] ce·​leb·​ri·​ty sə-ˈle-brə-tē plural celebrities

[quote]1: the state of being celebrated : fame

[quote] 2: a famous or celebrated person

So, since the monarch of the United Kingdom and his or her children are among the most famous people in the English-speaking world, then yes, they are indeed celebrities.

And now for the second of r102's claims:

[quote] b) Americans’ opinions about the British royal family are completely irrelevant

"Completely irrelevant" to whom? Certainly not to the tourist interests of the United Kingdom, which make millions every year from admissions to Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle and from postcards and souvenirs of the royal family bought in gift shops and airport stores and newsstands.

At least she didn’t have children with Charles…that would have been a perfect storm of fugly.

[quote]What will they call Prince George's husband if he marries a man? Will he be a Prince Consort? Or does he get to be King Consort?

The husband will be called Yasss Queen.

If a royal adopted a child, would it be added to the line of succession just like all the other spawn?

Like, suppose Will and Cate had exclusively adopted instead of breeding… would that technically be a problem?

Hunny, IMO the thing about Charles is that he has always known that it was his rank and his wealth and fame that attracted people to him. he always knew he wasn't popular. He knew his jug ears, small head, and too close together beady eyes were not the stuff dreams are made of. He was unpopular and physically awkward as a youngster, and even as he got older, unless he was on a horse, playing polo. he was bullied by his father, bullied at school,. He was and still is very insecure and lacking in confidence, and yet it was drilled into him that he was "special" and "Different" and he would be the King of England and all her realms., etc. So he is fucked up. Definitely has had issues. Taking him on was a lot. Diana was never equipped to deal with him.. it took someone like Camilla. He is right now agonizing over the concerns about whether or not the public will accept him. And get ready because the tabloids have their knives out. We will soon be hearing about the corruption among Palace staffers close to Charles.

[quote]r131 Get ready because the tabloids have their knives out. We will soon be hearing about the corruption among Palace staffers close to Charles.

[bold]#BringIt [/bold]

He’s hidden behind Mummy’s skirts (and millions) too long.

R128: Camilla’s daughter is somewhat attractive, but her son is an absolute troll…which is odd because his father was handsome (before he became an old drunk).

If Camilla and Charles had children, those would be nightmares indeed.

She should be called what she and Charles the cheater originally said: Princess Consort.

Officially Camilla is known as The Rottweiler.

There were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded.

What a shitty cunt she was/is, fucking another woman’s husband long term, even as he had young kids.

No wonder Diana’s two sons can’t stand her.

Di and Camilla (unedited security footage)

R133 Assuming her husband is the father...

Young Cam

She didn't overwhelm with her appearance. Not "charismatic." But Popular. Because she made you feel comfortable. You could talk to her.

Didn't mean to post that. I wasn't finished. Charles coattailed on to Camilla's popularity. He, by himself wasn't so popular in their set except for the fact he was heir to the throne.

R130, adopted children, or children born to a surrogate, would not be in the line of succession to a royal or aristocratic title. Recently, a marchioness had to go through a very high risk pregnancy to give her husband a legitimate heir; there was no way around the rule.

I think Charles probably has OCD.

"Servant! I should not be expected to clear the table."

"Bloody Pen"

Charles seething over a pen shows just what he must be like in private and it obviously isn't pretty.

"The Queen Mother" can't be used because she is neither Charles' mother nor William 's mother. So, officially she is "The Queen Mistress."

Does anyone have to curtsy to Camilla?

Everyone (in the UK) is expected to curtsey to Camilla.

I think the term "Queen Consort" is only being used to differentiate her from the late Queen. In time, it will be dropped, I suppose.

If Camilla survives Charles, her official title is Queen-Dowager. It has not been used for some time. Queen Mary, as a widow, chose to be known simply as Queen Mary. George VI's widow, Queen Elizabeth, wished to be known as Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, to differentiate herself from her daughter, Queen Elizabeth II.

Camilla will be known as she is now, Horsemilla Cuntwhore the hideous.

You’re really trying to make “Horsemilla Cuntwhore” happen, aren’t you, R149?

It’s neither funny, intelligent or original, so good luck with that.

Since QEII died I have heard various British newscasters call Phillip "King Consort".

Well, r145, neither is Charles.

The Adventures of Camilla, Queen Consort of the Desert

I'd imagine it takes every bit of Camilla's experience with animals to keep Charles calm and functioning. He's a piece of work. And I betcha the Queen who knew this, finally figured out that if she wants him she can have him, because WTF else would want to deal with his sorry ass, right?

I will just say that being Queen sounded like so much fun but now that you have a new one it looks so dull. Camilla just walks around following Charles like one of the old Queen's dogs. Smile and wave. She has no real power or say over the family or anything since Charles has been planning everything for decades. So, I feel like there really isn't a role for Camilla. Same for Kate once she's in the hot seat. William and Charles sit on their little leadership council calling shots and making plans. Their wives are off doing whatever.

Queen consort sounds nice thanks to the jewels but in reality I don't know if there is much to do as a British Queen consort in the 21st century. The last one had power and sway. These women's husbands don't really seem to consult them at all.

R151 No you haven’t.

She's an adventuress.

For Camilla’s coronation

Maybe she’ll be fitted out with some sort of beautiful, platinum horseshoes?

To whoever above was talking about Camilla and why Charles has stayed with her for so long or was still drawn to her when he had Diana as his wife, the answer has to be either true love or that Camilla is simply a beast between the sheets. I have a feeling Diana just lay flat on her back, awkward and "thinking of England" during the first few years of their marriage, while Camilla may well have been free wheeling and dealing in rim jobs and Cleveland Steamers when Charles paid her a visit. That's likely the answer.

I can only go on what I have observed and read, but Camilla puts Charles first, and makes him feel cared for and comfrotable. She soothes him and makes him laugh. They have the same set of friends, they are about the same age, and there's history there. There was history there even before he married Diana. He was looking for a safe harbor andf ound one there. Diana was too young, and too emotionally immature, and too needy. Too emotional. And she knew he didn't love her. So their marriage was a disaster in the making before the vows were ever taken. Charles wasn't looking for a star to compete with his insecure ass, but that's what he got from Diana. She was made for the celebrity age. If she were alive now she'd till be doing interviews and making William's life difficult.

And she's hung like a horse!

[quote]R160 the answer has to be either true love or that Camilla is simply a beast between the sheets.

King Tampon looks like someone with a low sex drive.

R114

The Church of England was started by an adulterer. Henry VIII

She's to take over the horses, according to the Times, though Charles is thought to want to reduce the stable:

“Camilla has a real love of racing and she will be the person who speaks with the trainers each day in the way the Queen had,” said a senior racing source. “I don’t think the King will want to keep 40-50 horses with ten trainers. He will want to slim down the operation.”

The Queen spent her final weekend with her bloodstock adviser, John Warren, and he believes that she had bred her best crop of yearlings in a lifetime devoted to racing.

(This was something that showed some insight I hadn't expected onto the relationship between the Royals and the dodgy middle east types coming to Ascot etc, a favourite for critics who like to freak out about it that... apparently there was a good reason:)

Racing has helped Britain maintain relationships with the royal rulers in the Middle East. The kings and sheikhs were regular guests at Royal Ascot and the Windsor Horse Show, during which Foreign Office mandarins could organise meetings. The King was unlikely to accept further horses to avoid embarrassment over the court rulings but would not wish to cause offence, so would put it down to his plans to reduce the size of his stables, said a racing source.

Horsemilla is beyond help. There is nothing that can possibly improve her appearance other than putting a bag over her head.

That's Queen Consort Camilla, rube.

It warms my heart to know that Camila will be looking after the queens horses.

I hope for her sake some groom doesn’t make a mistake, and shut her up in a stall (!)

^ You say that like it’s a bad thing but that is hardly the case.

Well, she’ll be in trouble unless she likes a diet of oats and hay! (Maybe that’s what she eats already?)

According to Prince Philip, Princess Anne should really like Camilla.

Lol, of course Anne should like Camilla, they are like two peas in a pod, homely and bland as fuck!

R174, see, you're wrong about Anne. Anne was quite pretty up until maybe 30 years ago. ...ok maybe 40 years ago. Camilla has never been As my Granny says, "Better 'used to be' than ' never was.'

Anne was indeed extremely pretty... ...for 5 minutes.

Why are all the royals so obsessed with horses and horse racing?

R177, at heart, the Queen was a country girl. She believed in fresh air exercise and the country estate lifestyle of the upper classes in the UK. She has always loved horses and bred them and raced them. And her family was raised in that environment. Every man in that family played Polo, and loves to ride. And Anne and Zara were Olympians. Better you should ask why the sun rises in the East than to ponder this.

The British aristocracy has always been "the horsey set", haven't they? I got to tour a grand house in England one time with the "lady of the manor" and she took me out to see her horses. I said, "I actually don't know anything about horses" and she looked like I had slapped her across the face. She just said, "well!". I could see I had lost all stature with her.

Queen concubine sounds better.

Calling her ‘Queen Consort’ instead of just Queen is a compromise, isn’t it?

Her true title is Horsemilla Cuntwhore the hideous.

The Royal Hole

(or fused labia)

R182 it’s interesting the way that you are so invested in hating someone who will never know that you existed.

^^ how do you know if The Infidel(ity Whore) knows of R182 or not? The poster could be a Nobel Prize laureate for all we know.

(There’s always the chance The Infidel is too blind drunk round the clock to recognize anybody, but that’s just conjecture.)

People seem to hate Meghan Markle without really knowing her…

So the squats and the Oprah interview and the bolt were all just a mirage?

A true queen

Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother was also a Queen Consort but no one ever called her that and they shouldn't call it to Camilla or Kate when she becomes queen.

A monstrosity like Horsemilla shouldn't ever be referred to as Queen anything. It is a complete travesty!

I wonder what tiara HM will wear to her first state banquet as Queen

After seventy years, people's gut instinct is now that the Queen is the one in charge!

"Queen Consort" is a reminder that Charles is actually the head of state.

R75and R176. .. Anne was never pretty. She just took a couple of good photos when she was in her twenties, and even that took some damn good photographers!

I mean I love tough old broads like Anne, but I can't pretend that she was ever pretty. I'm just grateful she's spent most of her life in the saddle, it's saved her from being another Chistina Onassis.

Queen Elizabeth was decent looking when she was younger, but generally the BRF are very unattractive. So Camilla fits right in and of course, Diana was just opposite.

Markles new title is " that aint no lady dumbarton"

Opps i meant cuntress dumbarton.

When young, Anne was certainly "pretty enough for all normal purposes," to quote Thornton Wilder's "Our Town." But she aged out of it rather quickly.

^^ Mmmmm…. yuh, certainly the best photography money can buy.

What she looked like when she woke up in the morning was a different story entirely.

Can’t wait for the handful of remaining Diana fanatics to scream themselves to death when they watch the Archbishop of Canterbury lower the kohinoor studded crown onto Her Majesty’s head.

Uggh. She’s vile.

Sure, Diana would have been furious to see Camilla crowned, but she didn't want to be queen badly enough to.put up with Charles and his family!

Some divorces are "made in heaven", and that was one. Diana blossomed the minute she was out of there, Charles was free to marry someone who made him happy, and Andrew Parker-Bowles was free to spend his free time with Princess Anne. She wanted to marry him back in the day but couldn't because he's catholic, and he's being called her "best friend" now. I really wonder what the story is there. .

It takes one to know one, r199. Those that slauber at the vile creatures old, shriveled up cunt lips are obviously as hideous as she is!