It's amazing how many articles refer to her as "The Queen of England"

If not the queen of England then what?

UK.

Oh FFS.

Unclench.

President Biden is the President of Pennsylvania.

He is also the President of other states. But that does not make it incorrect to say that he is the President of Pennsylvania.

Queen of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland

Um, r4, we gotta talk

It's a catchy nickname that just stuck.

She WAS the Queen Of England and for years was referred to as such. All this "UK" business is much more recent.

They used to claim France, for the longest time. I wonder when that stopped.

And when you think about it, the French throne is just sitting there, unused, so really, why the hell not?

She's also the Queen of Canada.

Canadian journalists who say "Queen of England" should be fired and forced to take a civics class.

England is frequently used as a synecdoche for the greater United Kingdom, and has been since the UK was established.

No one likes a prissy pedant.

How about Queen of Cunts then?

“In the USA”, you mean, R11?

Don’t call it pedantry when it’s really a case of Americans being ignorant about England / Britain / UK.

OP sounds limited and of lower-middle class origins.

First gen college, dear?

R14 = Barbara Thorndyke

Nevermind the naysayers and the snobs, OP. You go on stamping your little foot about this. And it's not just the "mainstream media." It's also publishers--of history, of fiction, even of nonfiction. The error is so widespread it's hard to think where it has NOT got to, which makes your task all the more Herculean and noble. I for one, salute you.

She was never the Queen of England. The UK dates to 1801.

Well there you go, r17. We lost track in 1776.

R9, not since the reign of Henry VI in the 15th Century has England claimed France, and even then, only portions of France recognized his rule.

Has her will returned Northern Ireland to the Irish yet?

R20 it’s the will of the Northern Irish regarding any possible union with the Republic of Ireland, and the majority of the population of Northern Ireland don’t currently want that.

Of course you’re well-aware of the Good Friday Agreement, aren’t you, R20?

No one says Queen of UK. She was the queen of England. The others like Scotland Wales Ireland and Canada do not matter and are subsumed under England.

On CNN that idiot Frederika Whitfield kept calling her Her Royal Highness (or didn't know enough to correct an idiot staff writer.) The handsome reporter at Windsor keeps calling Prince William Will. Neither matters except so far as journalism is supposed to create an accurate record.

[quote]Has her will returned Northern Ireland to the Irish yet?

Those pigheaded drunken micks would turn Northern Ireland into the white Pakistan if the English weren't in control. Some people are just unable to govern themselves and need an overlord.

R13 is it Americans or citizens of the United States?

Touché R25. Of course you always refer to yourself as a citizen of the United States, never as an American, right?

I prefer The Moanarch

Apparently Princess Margaret used to refer to Philip as the CONsort.

[quote] Those pigheaded drunken micks would turn Northern Ireland into the white Pakistan if the English weren't in control.

I take it you’ve never been to Northern Ireland.

R24, Ireland is doing just fine, thank you very much.

[quote]is it Americans or citizens of the United States?

One and the same

[quote]England is frequently used as a synecdoche for the greater United Kingdom, and has been since the UK was established. No one likes a prissy pedant.

R11 Really? What kind are you?

They should obviously refer to her as the "late" Queen Of England.

R32 well done with “synecdoche”! I had to Google.

If I were to use it in a sentence, would I be correct in saying “‘England’ is frequently used as a synecdoche for ‘The United Kingdom’ by Americans who are too lazy or too stupid to know the difference”?

By the way in my example, ‘Americans’ is used as a synecdoche for ‘citizens of the United States of America’.

Here’s a challenge, R32 - wander into a pub on a Friday night in Cardiff or Glasgow or Derry and announce in a nice loud American voice how great it is to be in England. You’ll be whimpering about synecdoche in the ambulance taking you away.

r34 An American would never say that in any of those cities because they would know they're not in England.

I'm so thrilled I don't have to care if she was the queen of England, or Narnia, or wherever else.

I love British people, can't stand the aristocracy bullshit. You'd all be better off without them.

You're making quite the assumption that we have any responsible journalists on the west side of the Atlantic. Most of them can barely read.

You sure about that, R35?

You’re not very bright, are you, R35?

I'm American and I know where those cities are - Wales, Scoltland, and Ireland - and I've never been out of North America. If an American traveled to any of those cities they would know where they are, obviously. They would have to be very stupid to take a trip to these places and not realize they're not in England.

*Scotland

R49 But isn’t England the same as the UK?

^R40, I mean.

r38/r39 An American in those cities would know they were not in England. I'm sure you know nothing about Americans.

I love it when Brits get all snooty and look down on Americans, as if Britain doesn't also have an enormous population of people who are unbelievably trashy pieces of shit.

R42 No. England and the UK aren’t interchangeable. England is a country in Great Britain. GB consists of England, Wales, and Scotland. The United Kingdom is Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

You’re assuming that anybody who disagrees with you is a “Brit”.

How American of you.

Brits on this thread r47

You’re wasting your breath, R46 - but the effort is appreciated.

Americans know best, even when they don’t - England is apparently the whole of the British Isles.

They can’t be expected to understand the difference. Or to appreciate the political sensitivities. They’re American after all.

R45 what’s “snooty” to you is “educated” to the rest of us.

Scotland here. The English and Scottish Crowns have been in personal union since 1603. The Act of Union in 1707 created a political union ( the United Kingdom) and combined the two Parliaments at Westminster. Ireland was added in 1801.

There are many people here who are very proud that the Queen of Scots died in her favourite home, and that she will lie in state at the beautiful Saint Giles’ Cathedral in Edinburgh before moving on to London.

England is not a synecdoche for the UK, but Britain is.

People are idiots. Everyone knows she’s either “Queenuh duh Brits,” or “the Queenmeister.” Perhaps “the Queenmaster General.”

As of yesterday he is King of Canada. As of todays he’s King of New Zealand and King of Australia.

This thread is full of queens. It's asking a lot of them to know EVERY DETAIL about one specific queen. We do have lives of our own, you know.

Ok thanks R55 - how’s Joe Biden, President of New Jersey, going?

Um, HELLO. No one has gotten it right.

She was officially "Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of her other realms and territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith."

Why is that so hard to remember?

Ha. I am watching Project Runway All Stars season two and the host just introduced guest judge Jason Wu as "First Lady Michelle Obama wears his designs for everything, including meeting the queen of England."

Ah well who are we to argue with Jason Wu?

R52 A synecdoche is where is part or a small piece of something is used to symbolize the whole. For instance, referring to the monarchy as "the Crown" is a synecdoche.

Only Americans say this and it’s really annoying.

I don't say it, but for some reason, "queen of England" sounds a lot more correct to my ear than "queen of Britain" or "queen of the United Kingdom" or (this one sounds a little less odd) "queen of Great Britain."

Maybe it's because of all the historic dramas about Queen Elizabeth I?

I just read about her heritage and it seems her father was English and her mother was Scottish, but her ancestry was thoroughly German. Seems very...British.

The Queen Mother was not of German ancestry.

[quote]Ok thanks [R55] - how’s Joe Biden, President of New Jersey, going?

He's good! He sends his love.

Americans have always used "Queen of England." It just is what it is.

It is kind of funny that some of the folks calling her the Queen of England could probably easily rattle off "Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Mother of Dragons, the Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains".

I think the issue with "Queen of England" is that it's a little too true and a little too blunt. England is the actual kingdom. All the other countries can come and go, but England is the main country that defines the rest.

Sucks that that's true, but it is indeed true.

[quote]England is the actual kingdom.

How do you figure? When King James VI of Scotland inherited the Kingdom of England, Scotland and England were joined in personal union. The two kingdoms were then united as one by the Acts of Union in 1707, as the Kingdom of Great Britain. So the kingdom is just much Scotland as it is England.

I've never gotten the impression that that's what Scottish people think. Are they really loyal to the royal family? I've always gotten the impression that they the Windsors as foreigners.

Or does Scotland want this guy? Either way, I guess you wind up with a German on the throne.

Link to the Stuarts See also: Jacobite succession

Franz is a direct descendant of the House of Stuart. Were it not for the Act of Settlement 1701, Franz would be the successor to the British and Irish crowns of the Stuart kings.[12] His spokesman has, however, made it clear that this is a purely 'hypothetical' issue[12] and not a claim that Franz pursues

Isn't the POTUS technically the President of our territories, like Puerto Rico and the rest, as well as just the President of the United "States"? Only we don't say so.

Girls, you're all synecdouches.

I'm the queen of England

no, bitch. I'M the fucking queen of England!

R69 is posting from the year 1706

What happens when countries decide to leave the commonwealth? Does the monarchy have any kind of role? Do they have to formally approve secession or anything, or does the country just opt out? Obviously, UK parliament shouldn't play any role in the process given that the UK is only one of the countries within the commonwealth. Is this something that actually requires some kind of action by the king/queen?

"It's amazing how many articles refer to her as 'The Queen of England'."

Is it? What is the number that amazes you? Is it only divisible by primes?

How many primes?

Is it a numerical palindrome of some sort.

Is the square root of the number a prime number?

I mean, that last one isn't much but it's something.