Famous people with Borderline personality disorder/BPD

Meghan Markle

I think I just read a description of myself,

Ezra Miller

On the upside BPDs can be good at connecting with people.

Meghan I think is narcissistic, not BPD.

R4 Agree, I also don't think Meghan has BPD, She has NPD

Roseanne Barr

In some cases these symptoms might be reactions to extremely stressful situations. Princess Diana for example, I don't know if there's many people who would act normal if they were in the situation that she found herself in with the pressure of being a Royal and the media scrutiny as well as a cheating husband and family who are all emotionally unavailable. "Anxiety" "Sadness" "Anger" seem somewhat understandable.

BPD and NPD are closely related. A pioneering expert (Otto Kernberg, former professor at Columbia) said that both have a "borderline personality structure." (loosely it means on the border between being completely out of touch with reality, like psychosis, and being neurotic or normal - both steps up on the sanity ladder).

Cluster B can be seen as a spectrum - with Borderline on the far left (less pathological and capable of either growing out of or being treated) - then worsening to NPD, which means adding strong ego defense mechanisms which block out even more reality, and then at the most extreme end is psychopathy - basically adding more sadism. NPD already has quite a bit.

Well, it's hard to put in a few sentences but I have a couple of his textbooks on the subject. The best is "Borderline Conditions and Pathological Narcissism"

Oh and all three BPD, NPD and anti-social or psychopathy share lack of empathy as the core trait.

Why are they all women?

Fags are among the most common people who meet BPD criteria. Fags are born hysterics.

OP, why no men on your list? Hmmm....because there are plenty.

Kanye Armie Hammer OJ Simpson Tommy Lee Elvis

Donald Trump!

And really, most politicians and entertainment figures. Lawyers, doctors, CEOs...

* oh I was thinking of BPD and NPD. The former more often diagnosed in women, the latter in men.

But it's hard to distinguish out in the wild. I guess BPD are more fragile and less focused - NPD protected by their ego-defense mechanisms so less likely to self harm and suicidal ideation.

Guy in OP looks like a nice Jewish boy. Quite cute.

Pete Davidson opens up about his BPD

R10 = Matt Damon

Pete Davidson is ugly as fuck.

Judy Garland

Amy Winehouse

Lindsay Lohan

Axl Rose (multiple rock stars)

Kurt Cobain

@r10, "Fags are born hysterics. "

Says the born asshole 🙄

^ r10 has GAD (General Asshole Disorder) 😂

Ah-hem…

That’s Anne Heche’s ghost^^

Everyone is a psychologist today and everyone has some type of Personality Disorder. While this thread focuses on 'famous people', we're all in the boat.

Johnny Depp

Ezra Miller seems more like a narcissist to me, but I think he has something else on top of it ... severe bipolar, maybe even (drug-induced?) schizophrenia. I don't think a personality disorder has you go from "eccentric" to "complete trainwreck" within a few short months. He seems to be going through some sort of episode.

Bonnie Chartier, pornograghic educator.

Telling that OP listed only women.

Some of them could have or have had PMDD, which is often misdiagnosed/typed as BPD, when it isn’t sidelined altogether.

Womens’ health of the non-reproductive sort is woefully underfunded and poorly researched generally, though.

Marilyn Monroe and Capucine. The sex they had with each other must have been fabulous.

R9 lack of empathy is not a core trait of BPD.

These are constructs - and definitions vary. But, there is considerable research suggesting lack of empathy is a characteristic of BPD. Here's one paper on the subject:

"We postulate that deficits of empathy or related processes contribute to preempting the formation of stable interpersonal relationships, whereas enhanced emotional empathy might lead to personal (and interpersonal) distress, further contributing to abnormal social functioning in BPD."

That one was really about impaired empathy, at both extremes.

This is another one, maybe more salient:

Lack of cognitive empathy, ToM, mentalizing, social cognition, or emotional intelligence was found to be a common feature among patients with BPD. This can explain a failure in their process of repairing disrupted social cooperation, which is a finding supported by neuroimaging data in the setting of an economic exchange game with healthy partners.

Harvard Review:

Psychology’s accepted model of ‘healthy’ and ‘normal’ is basically impossible.

Well - relative to BPD, NPD and anti-social PD, many people are able to have mature relationships where the caring is mutual.

I'm trying to paraphrase Kernberg and probably not doing it too well --- but a baby doesn't see mommy as an individual. She's like an "extension" of himself. If she feeds him when he screams, he's happy. If she isn't coming when he screams, she's malfunctioning and he doesn't have the ability to wonder if she's tired or sick or hurt - he doesn't care - she's not doing what he wants that minute so he throws a tantrum.

Some people never really individuate and accept that a care-giver (lover, partner, child, etc.) deserves to have their own needs that might conflict with the disordered one. So, for example, you may have a relationship and you are supportive, caring, always there -- but then you become ill or busy -- then they throw a tantrum because you aren't catering to them any more.

They might appear to have empathy while you're doing exactly what they want you to do -- but if they come to a point when they feel you don't care enough (which Cluster B's almost always do - the 'devaluation'), then they act like the toddler. Other people aren't really realized as equal and separate people. And anybody that doesn't cater to them is worthless. (the way you feel about a broken coffeemaker - if it quits providing you with that coffee, fuck it, throw it away, it's useless - that's how they see people). All the cluster B's have this sort of lack of individuation/separation - it's the core of their disorder. And basically, it's either lack of empathy (or impaired empathy that only shows up when 'baby' is happy and satisfied with your intense devotion)

Yeah, I think there has to be something wrong with BPD empathy when they flip so unreasonably on people.

The comments on this thread are ignorant and idiotic. No one here know the difference between BPD, NPD and HPD or anything else for that matter. Leave the diagnosing to professionals, please.

Amber Portwood said in 2017: ”After seeing my current psychiatrist for a couple of months, he diagnosed me with borderline personality disorder.”

Brandon Marshall (Linebacker for the Denver Broncos): ”After a couple of years of volatile behavior, I found myself at Mclean Hospital, where I was diagnosed with BPD.”

Doug Ferrari (comedy writer and stand-up comedian based in SF). BPD destroyed his marriage and career and Ieft him homeless in San Francisco for almost a year. He said for CNN: ”It took three years and three therapists, and being clean and sober, before I ever heard of ‘Borderline Personality Disorder.” The disorder got in my mind and said, you know, things like ‘If she [his wife] hangs up the phone one more time, I’m going to break something.'”

Darren Day. In 2020 he said, “Two years ago, I was diagnosed with bipolar and then during lockdown, I’ve been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder.”

Borderlines are destructive monsters but have a tendency to attract a cult like following of vehement defenders.

R36 Spot on.

Prince Harry

[quote] The disorder got in my mind and said, you know, things like ‘If she [his wife] hangs up the phone one more time, I’m going to break something.'”

Like we all haven’t have thoughts like this? BPD seems pretty overdiagnosed if you ask me.

My mother is a psychiatrist. A progressive one. She says that BPD is most often a wastebasket diagnosis and label applied to many people deemed "difficult" or too much work. Be very careful whom you consult in rehabs or mental health settings. IF you refuse drugs and don't believe that your life can be changed by 12 weeks or cognitive therapy - you're going to leave with a diagnosis label on your record.

Most BPD problems are real life problems that take time to understand AND verify. Of course there is such a thing as BPD, but it's not even called that anymore. Not by modern professionals. The old patriarchy and internet amateurs persist in labelling anyone with unstable relationships and heightened sensitivities as Borderline. It's mostly crap. That's most often applied to women and gay men.

My mother has a patient who calls himself a borderline Borderline. Makes them both smile at this point. Because he's human and troubled - by quite a few things. He's not mentally ill though.

Too many real life coping strategies and emotional adjustments are pathologized as mental illness. It's both old school laziness and a new WOKE demand for a label everyday life problems.

#Resist

That's true, but if you fly into rages every day - over stupid shit, it's almost impossible to cope with (if you're the partner). There are people who blow up almost constantly, and go around enraged/angry/seething with envy and pique all the time - that would be BPD. If it's a pretty rare event, and typically for understandable reasons, you're probably not BPD.

It feels like so much of online Social Justice movements are being run by Cluster Bs.

I've seen speculation that John Lennon had BPD. He never got any real help; just that primal scream nonsense.

R39 No... never had a thought like that. It seems crazy and over the top.

And they achieved more than you ever will OP. What does it feel like to be a total judgmental loser? All of the people you listed made their mark on our culture. And you? A sad and sorry man.

Straight men don't give a shit about this shit, they just DO. Maybe you femmes should try it.

It's awful when a new friend starts to exhibit signs of a cluster b.

I forgot to add to the list: the super talented and beautiful Romy Schneider (German/french actress)

Demi Lovato is the queen of this. It’s scary to see someone as mentally ill as she is, with as much anger and irrationally, leading a fan movement of nearly as damaged followers. Hopefully she actually ends up killing herself during one of her stunts, as most true borderlines end up doing.

R40 Thanks for posting. I'm now convinced I am not BPD after all. I'm just a person who encountered a specefic set of dysfunctional circumstances affected by a specefic set of personal sensitivity. I also suspect my symptoms are being pronounced by a society producing more sociopaths. Sociopaths trigger me.

Everyone is fucked up at least a little bit. Be cool & just ride it out.

R32 That was an interesting read, thanks for posting.

Do you know anything about Quiet BDP?

Thanks R52. I've read about "covert" narcissism vs the grandiose style, but I don't really know much about it - I don't remember Kernberg talking about subtypes but more on two things: the cause or core characteristics of the borderline personality structure (that NPD's and anti-social PD's also have) and he spent a LOT of time talking about how to try to treat it. Very very difficult -- he claims to have cured a few people, with something like 10 years of psychotherapy three times a week, basically trying to re-parent them and give them a stable sense of self.

That's the hardest concept of all for me - but Cluster B's don't have a clear sense of who they are. They change how they behave to get what they want, but they never really establish a fully-formed personality, if that makes sense - it hardly does to me, lol. They're so insecure that they bury their real selves down deep and then they parade around like they're perfect and better than everybody else. But also they're beset by jealousy because inside they're not happy and it's not fair that other people are, dammit!! Like a toddler bully who grabs the toys out of every other child's hands - IF I can just have that toy, then I will be the happy "better" one and he will be a loser.

They also go mad if they're alone and bored. Because inside, there's no there there. They can't soothe themselves. Like try leaving a baby alone for several days and he won't know what to do other than rage. It's almost that bad for them! They babies or toddlers in grown up bodies!

I guess the "quiet" ones are a bit more advanced and can hide their disorder/disability -- but it's still festering and will eventually break out because they don't have the maturity to keep themselves calm and content.

Oh.... it's so strange. I'd highly recommend his books on the subject! Fraud wrote a paper on narcissism; Melanie Klein added to the understanding; but Kernberg developed a treatment at the Meninger Clinic, I think in the 1950s? And then wrote textbooks and treatment protocols. Brilliant insights in his works.

Back in the day before everyone was an armchair shrink we had different diagnosis for these disorders

Narcissistic = Selfish

Autistic = Shy

BPD = Asshole

Things were so simple back then 🙄

But if someone in your family is narcissistic, borderline, an asshole, or an autistic person -- it helps to learn about the disorders in order to cope better.

That's why I started studying it. But I did go to experts and their classroom textbooks for students of psychology and psychiatry. It's better than suffering any more than you have to because when you "get it", you stop blaming yourself and develop strategies to save yourself, as best you can. Like, if it's an NPD, for example, and it's not someone you have to deal with -- then get out and stay out. If you do have to stay with them (your child or whatever), then gray rock, don't feed the rage, be boring and they'll eventually leave you alone, etc.

OP is the troll that starts all the threads with all his "Famous People" list. Problem is HE has Over-the-line Personality Disorder/OPD.

Wow @ R32. Spot on analysis. I have a few family members who fit this mold to a T. Your feelings, life experiences, etc. don't matter. You don't even exist..... except as a reflection of and in relation to them. The comparison to a toddler is especially apt. Because young children are incapable of seeing adults as individuals apart from them. A toddler would never think to say, "how are you doing today, Mom?" It's ALL about them, and ONLY them.

Also, intense jealousy and inappropriate rage, tantrums. No stable sense of self. It all fits like a glove.

[quote]they're beset by jealousy because inside they're not happy and it's not fair that other people are, dammit!!

THIS! Which leads to stalking and intense, creepy interest in people they 'think' have the perfect life. They may not even know the person well. It could just be an acquaintance or someone they knew in the past who has gone on to have success and happiness (career, relationships, etc.). This causes anger and depression.

One thing you'll see with bpd enablers is that the Borderlines pain is seen as unbearable and used as an excuse for utterly appalling behavior. But the pain caused by the BPD is shrugged over, excused, and ignored. These people ruin lives but their enablers will always point to some event that made them that way. If anyone talks about the effect BPDs actions have on them, they get shut down. This is particularly prevalent on social media.

R59 People with BPD literally leave destruction in their wake.

People are alway giving them excuses because BPD people are usually charismatic, charming and good in bed.

What’s the diagnosis for people who always feel compelled to play armchair psychiatrist with celebrities?

Intelligence?

How is Nicole Brown Simpson on this list OP?

@r61, Terminal Frauism

Tonight I came across a recent clip of Lady Gaga post-concert. It started to rain with nearby lightning strikes so it was decided to close it up early for the safety of the audience, crew, and performers.

A wise and mature decision.

Then, Gaga retreats to her dressing room and, on social media, starts crying for ten minutes about the decision to end the concert early and begging her fans to understand in the name of "healing."

Now, imagine being at a baseball game and it starts raining and lightning cracks through the sky. The game is called off. Can you then picture the manager or starting pitcher going on Twitter to subsequently beg for understanding through sobs and hysterics - No.

I think BPD is frequently just female malignant narcissism.

Most celebrities as in actors and public figures aren't borderline. They're narcissistic and neurotic. Delusions of grandeur and an intense need to be liked and worshipped. There's also OCD, autism, ADHD and bipolar disorder in musicians and writers who lean more introverted. I don't think borderline is that common in the entertainment field. You need a certain level of professionalism and discipline and healthy detachment from others to succeed. Borderlines get too hung on minor details and are too emotionally volatile to with with.

R67 maybe entertainers are more frequently histrionic than anything. Histrionics are emotional and seductive and love attention but don't necessarily go on warrior paths the way that BPDs do.

R68 Yep. Narcissists and histrionics use people for praise and attention. They rarely ever let others use them. They will drop others very easily and move on to the next target. They generally lack a lot of empathy and see no error in their ways. That's why so many become actors, politicians, activists, self-help philosophers and CEOs. They generally don't understand other's feelings and don't really care unless they get what they want.

Borderlines, on the other hand, get way too obsessed with people and have an intense need for an identity and the validation of others. They are filled with extreme shame and self doubt too and mostly hate themselves. They also refuse to let anything go. I can see why Angelina Jolie and Johnny Depp fit the bill.