BYU students dressed as angels shield LGBTQ+ classmates from protesters at Pride event

I don't know what your weird comment about Muslims means, but pro-LGBT protesters have been doing the "angel" thing for years, because it's an easy way to block the view of the homophobes who show up to these things. It started with people trying to keep Westboro assholes away from people who were just trying to go to a funeral or something.

[quote] Didn't realize Utah had so many Muslims

Only takes one.

I was about to wonder how Brigham Young has a Pride group, but reading the article, it’s not school sanctioned and they’re not even allowed to meet on campus.

So much for the Utah Compromise.

DL trolls keep pushing that Christians just love gays but Muslims all hate us.

So, when there are homophobes protesting a Pride event in Utah, one must automatically assume they are Muslims,

The Dept of Education investigated BYU's ban on gay dating (It ultimately dropped the case). I believe that there's also a ban on gays holding hands and kissing.

R2, Mateen was more crazy than Muslim

R2 Mateen was a Muslim and a Democrat. Your post is deplorable rationalization.

R5, the ban on homosexual behavior ended in 2020.

That said the federal investigation on the ban on gay dating only started in early 2022'

Link below: Brigham Young University removes 'homosexual behavior' as an honor code violation, so same-sex couples might be allowed to kiss and hold hands

[quote] Mateen was a Muslim and a Democrat. Your post is deplorable rationalization.

And that proves what?

[quote] Mateen was a Muslim and a Democrat. Your post is deplorable rationalization.

He was also crazy

And I guess it was Mateen and the Muslims that made gays the target of the most hate crimes in the US...

And on Grindr^

Is Mateen out of jail?

New FBI Hate Crimes Report Shows Increases in Anti-LGBTQ Attacks

Nothing in that article mentions Muslims. Is OP just being facetious?

Rationalizing the murderer of 52 gay people, at the time, the largest mass murder in the US. On a gay board.

Mormonism did plagiarize a lot from Islam.

Girls, girls.

You're BOTH (Islam and Mormonism) HOMOPHOBIC cunts!

[quote] Rationalizing the murderer of 52 gay people, at the time, the largest mass murder in the US. On a gay board.

So is rationalizing a religion that has pushed the West to hate gays and block rights, push anti-gay legislation around the world--all of which leads to anti-gay hate crimes, including gay bashing.

[quote] Rationalizing the murderer of 52 gay people, at the time, the largest mass murder in the US. On a gay board.

And yet, few Republicans would call it a gay hate crime. Few even called it a gay bar.

Christianity and Islam both hate gays and women. Both don't deserve to be in positions of power and influence our laws.

Yes, many right wing Christians detest gays, as can be seen from the original story.

Since Christianity is the dominant religion in the US and half the politicians are doing the right wing's bidding, its Christianity we need to worry about.

Obviously some posters have forgotten that they live in a country where homosexuals are protected by law.

And by the way, those "angels" protecting their gay classmates. They were Hindus, right?

[quote]Obviously some posters have forgotten that they live in a country where homosexuals are protected by law.

We’re working on that!

[quote] So is rationalizing a religion that has pushed the West to hate gays and block rights,

It was the West who granted legal protection to gays.

[quote] push anti-gay legislation around the world

57 Muslim countries are at the forefront of preventing the advancement of gay rights in international forums.

[quote] all of which leads to anti-gay hate crimes, including gay bashing.

Aren't you and the rest of the posters lucky that you live in a country where the police and the law protects you from hate crimes. That doesn't happy in Muslim countries, where gays spent every single day in fear for their existence.

R23 And yet shazam! You continue to be protected, just like everyone else.

[quote]rationalizing a religion that has pushed the West to hate gays

Concentrated insanity and nonsense. Ugly Anscher loves that his tribe steals more land from Muslims every year, and in order to dehumanize them in the mind of the West, he’ll stoop to absurd claims like that.

^^^ happen, not happy

[quote] Obviously some posters have forgotten that they live in a country where homosexuals are protected by law.

And yet hate crimes against gays are rising. Prosecuting people AFTER the crime doesn't always prevent the crime, particularly when a religion and politicians constantly claim gays are evil

Russia also protects gays by law.

How's that working out?

[quote] 57 Muslim countries are at the forefront of preventing the advancement of gay rights in international forums.

So does most of Eastern Europe and many African countries, all Christian majority

R27 has just discovered that we don't live in a perfect world.

The US just legalized gay sex nationwide in 2003 (and some current SCOTUS justices aren't happy about it and want to overturn it).

Yet we pretend we're at the forefront of gay rights and acceptance.

Even under Obama, repealing something as awful as DADT was a bruising battle with one party not wanting to do it at all.

All because of the evil push of right wing Christianity.

[quote] [R27] has just discovered that we don't live in a perfect world.

And understanding that blaming just one religion for the problems gays face is idiotic and part of a political strategy.

R29 No, they don't. Look at any map of which countries are anti-gay, have no laws protecting gay. What do they ALL have in common????

R31 Live in Egypt for a month or two. Or any Muslim country. You'll realize how absurd your villainization is.

[quote] Aren't you and the rest of the posters lucky that you live in a country where the police and the law protects you from hate crimes. That doesn't happy in Muslim countries, where gays spent every single day in fear for their existence.

How does the police protect anyone from hate crimes?

[quote] And understanding that blaming just one religion for the problems gays face is idiotic and part of a political strategy.

Turning a blind eye to/ignoring reality is also a political strategy.

R34 is pretending to be stupid.

[quote] Turning a blind eye to/ignoring reality is also a political strategy.

The reality is that just because one country does it worse that you doesn't absolve your country of responsibility.

[quote]Protesters yelled hateful slurs at the group of LGBTQ+ students and allies that attended Saturday’s celebration, calling them “pedophiles” and “groomers.” Many attended to voice their opposition to a drag show that featured current and former BYU students as performers.

There's a dedicated group of users on Datalounge who insist these are our friends...

[quote] [R34] is pretending to be stupid.

The police show up after a crime has been committed.

The economy is what prevents crimes.

[quote] Live in Egypt for a month or two. Or any Muslim country. You'll realize how absurd your villainization is.

But I live in America. No way would I ever pretend I'm completely safe as a gay.

R40 Who in America is completely safe? You expectations are absurd. But in comparison to any Muslim country? America is a paradise.

[quote] No, they don't. Look at any map of which countries are anti-gay, have no laws protecting gay. What do they ALL have in common????

Of course these countries protect gays from beatings and murder. The same laws protect everyone.

How does a specific hate crimes law protect anyone? It's used after the fact to prosecute crimes by the federal government. Many US states, in fact, don't even include gays in their hate crimes laws

R38 There are dedicated posters on Datalounge who insist on spinning a narrative to agenda.

[quote] Who in America is completely safe? You expectations are absurd. But in comparison to any Muslim country? America is a paradise.

The comparison is idiotic because I'm not in another country to compare. I only know my experience and mine is that much of the country is working hard to remove gay rights.

Utah is basically a Christian theocratic state. Majority of the politicians in Utah are Mormons. And most of colleges are Mormon affiliated. What prevents the South was becoming like this is the racial and religious diversity. Too many types of Christians too who fight over dogma. Utah is predominantly Mormon and white and thus an echo chamber which makes it an effective Christian state.

Do Muslim countries not have laws against beating, theft, murder?

[quote] Utah is predominantly Mormon and white and thus an echo chamber which makes it an effective Christian state.

The ONLY thing preventing it from hanging gays is that the federal government won't allow it.

[quote] Many US states, in fact, don't even include gays in their hate crimes laws

So if a person is attacked, the cops will say "Wait! You're gay". And do nothing?

[quote] The comparison is idiotic because I'm not in another country to compare.

R44 And that's the crux of the matter. You are take for so much for granted

[quote] Do Muslim countries not have laws against beating, theft, murder?

R46 Not against gays. Ever heard of honor murders in Muslim countries?

[quote] The ONLY thing preventing it from hanging gays is that the federal government won't allow it.

R47 Eh voila! Gays are indeed protected.

The only laws in the US helping gays are federal hate crime laws. Gay was only included after Obama and the Dem Congress was elected because the GOP refused to hate crimes against gays into hate crimes legislation.

When half the country doesn't think gays deserve any special protects, it's not a gay paradise.

[quote] So if a person is attacked, the cops will say "Wait! You're gay". And do nothing?

Wow, here I am debating someone who doesn't even know how hate crimes laws work.

[quote] it's not a gay paradise.

It is when you consider the alternative. Daily fear of exposure. Honor murders.

[quote] So if a person is attacked, the cops will say "Wait! You're gay". And do nothing?

Actually, that does happen in the US. Cops turn a blind eye all the time, and even joke about "homo-cide"

R50 And I'm debating with someone who is intent on pretending that gays are not protected by law. Just like everyone else.

[quote] It is when you consider the alternative. Daily fear of exposure. Honor murders.

Why should I be quelled with the fact that the alternative is worse. The better alternative is that I'm am safe if I'm gay.

I’m in favor of dropping all gays and trans in the Middle East. They’d be happier there.

[quote] Daily fear of exposure. Honor murders.

Happens in the US also

[quote] I’m in favor of dropping all gays and trans in the Middle East. They’d be happier there.

Isn't it a closer trip for you? How far is Moscow from the Middle East?

[quote] [R50] And I'm debating with someone who is intent on pretending that gays are not protected by law. Just like everyone else.

People are also protected by law from murder and theft. Glad to see those have completed disappeared because of "the law."

I live in the Midwest. ^

Foreign posters need to stop showing their ignorance of America. Most of the Muslims who immigrated to The US are the educated upper middle-class who lean more liberal. They allow their daughters to go to school and get high paying careers and many can even choose not to wear a hijab. They're not the same as the mostly working class religiously conservative Muslims that came to Europe which was a direct result of European imperialism and the War on Terror.

R58 needs to look up the word "protected".

{Hint: It doesn't mean disappear)

[quote] And I'm debating with someone who is intent on pretending that gays are not protected by law. Just like everyone else.

What US law specifically says gays are protected because they are gay?

[quote] The US are the educated upper middle-class who lean more liberal.

You mean like Omar Mateen? You mean like Tsarnaev? You mean like Farook?

r55 in the *Why did Hillary Clinton lose in 2016?* thread:

[quote]Clinton supporters are blue deplorables. They are just as kookie as MAGA, and the saddest part is all these woke and MAGA people will pretend they never were in 10 years. Frauds. All of them.

You’re not entirely correct, R60. I live in the most populated Arab and Middle Eastern state in the US, and no, they are not that gay friendly. Arab Catholics and Muslims are not that gay friendly.

[quote] Foreign posters need to stop showing their ignorance of America. Most of the Muslims who immigrated to The US are the educated upper middle-class who lean more liberal.

Oh, don't bring reality into the conversation.

The trolls were paid to post tons of anti-Muslim stuff everywhere during the last election. Muslims were the gay boogieman. This election, they have shifted to anti-trans stuff, but some haven't gotten the memo

[quote] You mean like Omar Mateen? You mean like Tsarnaev? You mean like Farook?

As if those are the only ones killing people in America

Yes, that is me R64. Put me on block and keep me there. Stop stalking.

Why would anyone gay go to BYU anyway?

[quote] [R58] needs to look up the word "protected".

So what does it mean?

How are gays not protected in Muslim countries by the law? How are they protected in the US by the law? Gay sex is one thing. Everyone is protected everywhere from theft, murder, beatings.

Why do gays eat at Chick Fil-A? Or work there?

[quote] Everyone is protected everywhere from theft, murder, beatings.

No they aren't. Especially not in Muslim countries. Especially if you're gay. But then, you wouldn't know that. You have no basis for comparison. But post away!

[quote] I live in the most populated Arab and Middle Eastern state in the US, and no, they are not that gay friendly. Arab Catholics and Muslims are not that gay friendly.

Right wing Christianity is just as bad as right wing Islam when it comes the gays. Right wing Christianity has been held back by the fact that we live in a liberal democracy with laws that don't depend on religion.

That said, all the Muslims I know are extremely gay friendly. Granted they are all educated professionals. Like Christianity, the hatred depends on your level of education and class.

[quote] right wing Islam

There is no such thing. For 1.7 billion Muslims, there is only Islam.

[quote]Granted they are all educated professionals.

So are the ones that live here.

[quote] Like Christianity, the hatred depends on your level of education and class.

All those educated people and not one Muslim country has laws protecting gays.

[quote]All those educated people and not one Muslim country has laws protecting gays.

I think because I live in such a densely populated Arab and Middle Eastern area, there’s a difference between me and people who live with some Arab and Middle Easterners. I avoid certain places if they are heavily populated with Arabs or Middle Easterners here because as a gay person, I’m asking for trouble, just like in the past. Every time in the past.

Anscher also forgetsthat orthodox jews aren't too gay friendly either.

[quote] No they aren't. Especially not in Muslim countries. Especially if you're gay. But then, you wouldn't know that. You have no basis for comparison. But post away!

Again, if someone is being beaten or stolen from in a Muslim country, does the police stop and ask if someone is gay

[quote] All those educated people and not one Muslim country has laws protecting gays.

Turkey, Lebanon, Kazakhstan, Mali, Niger, Indonesia, Norther n Cyprus, Bahrain, Albania, Azerbaijain do not criminalized homosexuality

When the troll keeps pushing that western countries' laws protect gays, what he should be saying that they protect gay sex.

Otherwise every country in the world protects criminal acts done to gays.

The very fact that it is difficult to get enough US senator to codify gay marriage shows that US pretends to treat gays equally but we're still second class citizens.

All of this is driven by right wing Christianity.

[quote]And yet shazam! You continue to be protected, just like everyone else.

R83, the new PrEP ruling is an excellent example of how the Evangelicals are slowly eroding gay rights.

Little by little. Eventually they will go after the Hate Crimes designation too.

[quote] Do Muslim countries not have laws against beating, theft, murder?

13 of them have laws saying it’s ok to beat/kill gay people.

R8, Nigeria is 50% Christian. Both Uganda and Russia considered similar laws until the world condemned them.

No Judeo-Christian religion loves gays. NOT A SINGLE ONE

R85, again, these are laws against gay sex, not against murder, beatings and theft

[quote]13 of them have laws saying it’s ok to beat/kill gay people.

Not a single one of those countries allows people to randomly beat or kill gay people

[quote]Not a single one of those countries allows people to randomly beat or kill gay people

Well now we know you are simply trolling.

Only an insane, Muslim apologist would even make such a statement, since THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT DOES THE KILLING OF GAY PEOPLE FOR THEM!!! All the citizens have to do is turn them in!

Not to mention, as already noted, honor killings (of gays and women) are not only allowed, but celebrated.

Thanks for showing your true colors.

Go suck some Muslim dick, preferably in one of those 13 countries so we won't have to hear your bullshit anymore.

"Russia also protects gays by law."

Maybe when Lenin was alive.

And he wasn't alive long.

Meanwhile didn't Russia pass some big time anti-gay legislation right around the time Andre Leon Talley was promoted to head the Russian version of Vogue?

R90, yes and that anti-gay legislation, which looks alot like Florida's Dont Say Gay law has led to a huge number of anti-gay hate crimes compared to the past.

To claim that the law protects gays in Russia is propaganda BS--more proof that these DL trolls are Putin stooges.

R89 = unhinged

Every country has laws against murder and bodily harm. It doesn't matter who the victim is.

When the trolls claim that gays aren't protected in Muslim countries, he means gay sex.

Gay sex was only legalized in the US nationwide 20 years. Prior to that, yes, people got arrest for consensual gay sex in their homes. Yes, even now, gays are harassed by police and public. The GOP pushes anti-gay legislation in states and nationally.

No matter where you are, whether the country be majority christian or muslim, you will never be completely safe and free if you're gay. We all know that.

The straight Russian trolls are trying to convince us otherwise.

r1, since matthew Sheppard

[quote]When the trolls claim that gays aren't protected in Muslim countries, he means gay sex.

Ergo, people who have gay sex----ie gay people----are MURDERED by the state in those 13 countries.

But yeah, keep defending them.

Why would anyone live in Utah unless they are white, het and mormon?

Utah is popular with cults and communes too. Most people in these mountain states like Utah, Colorado, Wyoming and Idaho seem more mentally ill than average.

[quote] Ergo, people who have gay sex----ie gay people----are MURDERED by the state in those 13 countries.

like Black people in the US.

[quote] But yeah, keep defending them.

Who's defending those countries? NO ONE

[quote] gay people----are MURDERED by the state in those 13 countries.

In the US, the right wing politicians and evangelicals rage against gays. In response, our fellow Americans kill gays.

[quote]Only takes one.—O. Mateen, murderer of 52 gay people

And countless other Muslims came out to not only condemn him (unlike white people having to do when countless white people commit heinous crimes) but donated blood, but people like you prefer to use that one asshole to demonize the countless others who had nothing to do with what he did on his own.

And you can't seem to grasp that the body count is so high --just like it was in Vegas, Uvalde, Sandy Hook, Stoneman, etc-- is because of civilian access to a military-grade weapon.