Whoopi Goldberg Rails Against Racist ‘Rings of Power’ and ’House of the Dragon’ Fans: ‘What Is Wrong With Y’all?’

Was it racist, racist?

BITCH.

I mean I don't disagree with her, in the abstract. As they are fantasy stories I don't care about the race of the actors unless they are playing an already established character from the franchise or if they were described in the source material. But, I haven't watched either show, so I don't know if the criticism is valid or not. Also, I've not read the source material.

GO WHOOPI.

That's right, Whoopi. Shame them until they learn! Then, they'll love the shows! Perfect logic! No, no! They won't get defensive and more unhappy! ; /

An Eritrean dragon just flew over my house, brehs!

BTW, House of the Dragon is doing well with the fans. Explain this, SJWs. Look at the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. Fans want more of it. Only The Rings of Power is foundering. So, I'm afraid WG is full of BS.

Sorry not sorry.

R7 I've never really understood the appeal of Tolkien, regardless of the race of the actors. Though it is funny that this is happening shortly after South Park did one of their best episodes in years where they revealed the black kid Token is really Tolkien and named for the author.

She is right on this one R2 F&F

She is exactly right. It’s all a made up fantasy land. Why shouldn’t Black people be in it??

Who exactly is upset about black characters in these fantasy shows? Are we taking her word for the fact that there is a HUGE backlash? I don't know anyone who GAF.

That dude from House of Dragons is full of shit that people are saying a wealthy black male character is "beyond the pale". Give me a break. Who is saying that? What's next? Will he put a noose around his own neck and stage a racist attack by men in maga hats?

Anyone saying a wealthy black male character is "beyond the pale" for the general "time period" the show is assumed to take place in is stupid and ignorant. They should look up the African tribal leaders of the time, some of whom had vast nations and lots of gold.

To avoid a stroking keep saying . . .it's only a movie! it's only a movie!

I've heard about the bad reviews, but it seems many of the reviews are saying the series became too woke and lost its footing with story quality as a result, taking out all the rough edges that made it interesting by going too woke, too safe, and losing touch with what made the series fascinating as a result. I wonder if that has to do with race, or if it is actually a critique of story and quality and the creators are attempting to hide behind race to cancel all bad reviews.

r14, which of the two shows are you talking about?

All versions of "The Little Mermaid" (and there have been several) are derived from Hans Christian Anderson's fairytale "The Little Mermaid." And although her race is not specified in the story it's a safe bet that the Danish Anderson's creation wasn't black. So to make her black in what is sure to be a big budget but mediocre film is making a major change in the story. My guess is that Whoopi Goldberg has never heard of Hans Christian Anderson and believes Disney created "The Little Mermaid." She is so stupid it boggles the mind.

R15 No idea. I don't watch this crap. From reviews, it seems one is getting a much warmer reception than the other.

R12 They got rich selling africans to slavery?

I guess concerns about "cultural appropriation" only go one way.

R18 Some did. But, also from trade in various commodities.

Hey Whoopi, I'm going to remake Black Panther with an all-white cast.

Mmmkay?

I'm liking the changes in House of Dragons so far, R14. And so do most people I've talked to. There is much less blatant misogyny this time around compared to GOT. Maybe the critics are mostly incels who want to see women getting tortured and ass raped every episode.

[quote] There is much less blatant misogyny this time around compared to GOT.

Yeah, because back in Medeival times, women had it so great.

This is what I hate about Wokesters.

They try to re-write the past and pretend like everything was perfect.

Which is why GenZ and every generation after it, will have no clue about what REALLY happened in history.

So they are bound to repeat it.

Ever heard that saying, "You learn from your history?"

Well a person can't learn from history, if people keep trying to re-write it and pretend that it never happened.

{quote] Who exactly is upset about black characters in these fantasy shows? Are we taking her word for the fact that there is a HUGE backlash? I don't know anyone who GAF.

You haven't been paying attention

[quote] Hey Whoopi, I'm going to remake Black Panther with an all-white cast.

Would people complain if Black Panther had two white people in it? That's the more apt comparison

[quote] All versions of "The Little Mermaid" (and there have been several) are derived from Hans Christian Anderson's fairytale "The Little Mermaid." And although her race is not specified in the story it's a safe bet that the Danish Anderson's creation wasn't black. So to make her black in what is sure to be a big budget but mediocre film is making a major change in the story

It's become a universal story, Race is not even relevant here.

Are you telling me that if it's performed in China, they had better find a white actress to play it or it's invalid?

[quote] Do you want to know what REALLY makes people irritated with what has been done to Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones stories?

If white people DARED to try this with black, brown, or yellow peoples' stories or culture, we would be VILIFIED.

Cultural appropriation!!! Cultural appropriation!!!!

But that's exactly what THIS is. POC cultural appropriation of white culture.

These are stories about white characters, written by white people.

So why the double standard???

Answer THAT, you woke fuck faces.

[quote] But that's exactly what THIS is. POC cultural appropriation of white culture.

Middle Earth isn't white culture

I think she’s railing against the people who object, not the shows themselves. Clickbait, anyway.

[quote] If white people DARED to try this with black, brown, or yellow peoples' stories or culture, we would be VILIFIED.

I remember the backlash Tarantino got after he made "Django Unchained."

Productions needs to reflect the population putting it on.

American obsession with race is ridiculous.

Yes, and that means an multi-cultural Porgy and Bess and Raisin in the Sun.

Sure, it may seem silly to see white/Asian/Latino people in those roles but, because they are universal stories, in a generation no one will care

And yes, non gays should be able to portray gays and vice versa.

[quote] Productions needs to reflect the population putting it on.

I completely disagree.

I think that stories should be told, and the characters should be portrayed in the exact manner that the writer intended.

The key word being INTENDED.

Writers write with intent and purpose.

When you change the race, or the culture of a character, you change the character and you change the story.

PERIOD.

Many fans were upset by the Scottish hobbit in the movies, were they being bigoted? Merry-or-Pippin (never knew who was who in the books either) grew up in the exact same small village as every other hobbit in the story, all of whom have English accents, yet spoke like he was from Scotland. That makes even less sense than two light-skinned people having a dark-skinned child, which does happen, as does the converse. Maybe the family has an Orc in the woodshed, they were black as pitch in the books.

R21- and I’m going to remake The Wiz with an ALL WHITE BLONDE 👱 cast- like Whoopi says it’s just a fantasy.

Remake THE COLOR PURPLE with an all-white cast and then let's talk, Ms. Whoop.

[quote] American obsession with race is ridiculous.

It really is. Those on the left tend to over-compensate for inclusiveness and diversity while those on the right get obsessively and needlessly angry about it.

Both are obsessed ^.

Was R27 upset when gladiator, or any film about Ancient Greece or Rome or any WW2 film etc was all made in English language? Did she feel *pandered* to? Does she have an ounce of self awareness in her body? When she watched Romeo + Juliet was she upset that it was set in modern day? With white actors playing the two leads?

No i didn’t think so either lol.

[quote]If white people DARED to try this with black, brown, or yellow peoples' stories or culture, we would be VILIFIED.

So what?

R40's attitude is exactly what's wrong with Wokeness.

There is a lack of mutual respect.

It's all one-sided.

"You MUST respect us, but we don't give a fuck about you."

And this is what's at the core of the white flight from the Democratic Party.

I’m not woke, R41. I’m saying who cares what they think. Ignore the “vilification”.

Did Eminem apologize for his anti-gay rhetoric that made him a star? No. He didn’t care what GLAAD or gay rights groups said. Same with Sam Kinison. The same attitude should be applier to race too. I would love to see a gay Sam Kinison tear into straights, blacks, Muslims, etc.. I probably never will.

Donna Summer never apologized for her anti-gay remarks, but she was still considered the queen of disco and revered when she died.

We need more authors and film makers to take a hard stand like JK Rowling.

Enough of this nonsense.

Don't bow to political correctness.

One thing many people watching Hot D (House of Dragons) is that in Game of Thrones the Targaryan family is a ruling dynasty of white people that are from a destroyed place called Valyria. The Targaryans are a family who are Valyrians from the dead city of Valyria.

In Hot D there are Black Valyrians who are from. . . Yep, Valyria.

George RR Martin compared Valyria (which he created) to ancient Rome which was populated with mostly white Romans but had great diversity of people that lived and moved through Rome. Valyria is like Rome which is why there are Valyrians who are Black, they are simply part of the diversity that lived in Valyria outside the white majority.

People are refusing to understand the concept that the Targaryan family are not the only Valyrians or color of Valyrians in that universe.

It's really simple but people are stupid.

[quote] like JK Rowling.

lol people always forget that until she became an anti trans mess JK was considered extreeeeeeeemly politically correct. In fact R45 you would have hated her then 😂.

How so, R47?

For those of you screaming about wokeness, there was also a time where Black people were not seen in science fiction until Star Trek came along. Every story is white centered so sci fi had only white characters, non white people understood that white people don't imagine the world existing without them at the center.

This has changed in sci fi but in fantasy the view still seems to be, because white people control everything, that white people are the only acceptable human representations to be portrayed at the center of fantasy worlds as well, no one else matters. Even if this is not the intention of the writers the outcry from white viewers confirms the idea that whites do not imagine a world in which they are not the only focus.

To think some folks deny the existence of white privilege.

How come you capitalized black but not white? ^

Who cares about any of this?

R49, white people can imagine any world they want when they are the ones writing the stories. If blacks want to be included, they should write their own damn science fiction. There should be a black JRR Tolkien. It makes you pathetic when you want to be included in the creations of whites instead of creating your own stuff.

I'm pretty sure Japanese fairytales only have Japanese characters in them. I'm sure Indian fairytales only have Indian characters in them. Racism? No, never. Only whites are racist for wanting to protect their own cultural creations.

r52 must feel a constant breeze over her head.

The backlash may be due to the fact that even though Blacks are ~13% of the US population, when you turn on the TV now they are more like 40-50% of the people cast in commercials and shows. Meanwhile other minorities—esp Latinos who are a bigger portion of the population— are mostly ignored.

House of Dragons seems to be doing it right however. A few Black characters who can fit the storyline I.e. another family from Valerya who happen to be Black.

But other shows go overboard. A friend who read the source books for The Sandman told me they made many of the characters black and/or female in the TV show. So much so that it was startling. I didn’t read it so can’t comment

So yes two things can be true:

1. Racists and sexists are being racists sexists and complaining anytime they see a non white character or female lead

2. The industry has gone overboard in over correcting past lack of representation of blacks by “over casting” them now (especially in commercials) and ignoring other minorities and the fact that whites still are the majority of the US population.

It’s not either or.

[quote]her head

They’re trans?

R52 you seem psychotic and full of hate, but on one of your points; did you ever think that in the history of publishing that maybe black authors were not selected by white publishing houses for their works to be published? And white schools and colleges kept black out so they were less likely to be able to publish or write in the first place? Are you so naive that you don’t understand the relationship between the publishing industry and connections?

I can't even watch Whoopi Goldberg's movies anymore. When I was a child, Ghost and Sister Act were two of my favorite movies. I can't stand that ugly, retarded cunt anymore.

R57 and what's stopping you today? Create your own science fiction/fairytale stories TODAY, turn them into movies and cast only black actors. But no, that would require too much work and creativity.

Even Black Panther was created by two Jews, Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. You really can't create you're own fantasy stories?

R59 I’m not black, but people like you are probably what’s stopping them today.

[quote]I’m not black

Datalounge is 99.9% white gay male “progressive”. 58.

Racism and the violence that goes along with it has been aimed primarily at the Black community. The Black community is the only non white community that is visible as standing against discrimination. Strides against discrimination and racism that the Black community fights for and has gotten beaten for protesting against is enjoyed by the other minority communities who sit back and do little to help.

The white power structure and media uses the Black community as the scapegoat for society's ills. Whatever is the problem it's the fault of the Black community not the white people who control government and commerce and law enforcement. If the Black community weren't so criminally inclined, society would better. There would be more jobs, schools would be better, there would be money for health care.

The reason the Black community pushes for representation is to balance the 400 years of negative propaganda by the white power structure that uses the Black community to deflect from all the destruction and greed that the white power structure is doing to erode society.

When all a white cop has to say to justify shooting a Black person dead is "I was afraid for my life" it goes back to the propaganda, the hundreds of years of brain washing white people have done to make sure the only problem white people will see is Black people, not their own kind that is killing the environment, stealing all the wealth, murdering people all over the globe. . .

Representation means Black people can be seen as human beings, a regular part of society, just like white people. Do other minority groups need this?

R55 wrote: "The backlash may be due to the fact that even though Blacks are ~13% of the US population, when you turn on the TV now they are more like 40-50% of the people cast in commercials and shows. Meanwhile other minorities—esp Latinos who are a bigger portion of the population— are mostly ignored." Even in Canada, a country with far less blacks than in the US, blacks are in about 50% of commercials and tv shows.

Some of he fans are racist. No doubt. That said, most of the backlash came from casting against the lore and canon descriptions of the characters in the books. If I write a fantasy book about feudal Japan and cast black people or whites to play the Shogun’s sons with zero explanation there would, and perhaps should, be some issues with that decision.

R52 you summarized the issue perfectly.

Your argument was clear and succinct.

Bravo!

R63, you're not seeking equal representation, you just want to replace white figures (historical or fictional) with black ones in movies and tv shows. You want whites to continue writing the stories that now feature black characters instead of writing your own stories. You want whitey to do all the work and then cry about racism and lack of representation. Secondly, equal representation would mean that 13% of the characters on tv, movies, commercials in the US should be black since 13% of the population is black, not 50%. Thirdly, the people who are replacing white characters with black ones are doing this to create a backlash and more hatred of blacks. They are the white supremacists you think you're fighting against but who have fooled you again and are using you to increase racism against blacks.

[quote] When you change the race, or the culture of a character, you change the character and you change the story.

So if this were done by a Chinese production company for a chinese audience, it should have only white people?

[quote] You want whites to continue writing the stories that now feature black characters instead of writing your own stories.

Minority writers write their stories all the time. Mainly white writers, no matter whose stories they write, get produced more.

[quote] This has changed in sci fi but in fantasy the view still seems to be, because white people control everything, that white people are the only acceptable human representations to be portrayed at the center of fantasy worlds as well, no one else matters.

The important part was that the change happened organically, over the years.

Black people were incorporated into new stories, and not JAMMED into already existing stories.

That's the point.

I don't think anyone has an issue with black characters written into new fiction or science fiction.

The problem comes when you change the race of existing characters, who were previously a different race.

THAT is when people get angry. It's just fucking ridiculous.

[quote] white people can imagine any world they want when they are the ones writing the stories. If blacks want to be included, they should write their own damn science fiction. There should be a black JRR Tolkien. It makes you pathetic when you want to be included in the creations of whites instead of creating your own stuff.

Funny how it was fine when white people portrayed Zorro, Fu Manchu, Charlie Chan, The Prince of Persia, The King of Siam, every Egyptian Pharaoh, Lone Ranger, Tonto, Gandhi, Pocahontas, Moses, Noah, Jesus.

And NOW you're saying we need to show exactly what the writer intended?

We update stories all the time.

Romeo & Juliet has been done every which way and without Italian leads. No controversy at all.

[quote] The problem comes when you change the race of existing characters, who were previously a different race.

Just because it was done as certain way once has no bearing on how it's done the next time.

[quote] Black people were incorporated into new stories, and not JAMMED into already existing stories.

Jammed in? It's not like they're creating new characters.

They add a black actor when race is utterly irrelevant.

[quote] The problem comes when you change the race of existing characters, who were previously a different race. THAT is when RACIST people get angry. It's just fucking ridiculous.

There, fixed it for you

[quote] Some of he fans are racist. No doubt. That said, most of the backlash came from casting against the lore and canon descriptions of the characters in the books. If I write a fantasy book about feudal Japan and cast black people or whites to play the Shogun’s sons with zero explanation there would, and perhaps should, be some issues with that decision.

MIddle Earth is complete fantasy, not historical fiction

Let me tell you a plain and simple fact.

Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, etc., would NEVER have been as popular as they became, had the races of the characters been different.

You may not like hearing it, but that's the truth.

And THAT is why people take issue with changing the races of beloved characters into something different.

Honest to God, people these days can find a way to declare wallpaper paste problematic.

[quote] Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, etc., would NEVER have been as popular as they became, had the races of the characters been different.

BS. No way we can know that.

If you don't want to see black characters in the movies. You're a racist and need to off yourself.

[quote] And THAT is why people take issue with changing the races of beloved characters into something different.

What beloved character in Lord of the Rings had a race change? Oh none

[quote]MIddle Earth is complete fantasy, not historical fiction

It is based on Celtic and Norse lore. While it is fiction, it is not without geographical and cultural rules. The people of the West are white. The Easterlings are poc.

[quote] Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, etc., would NEVER have been as popular as they became, had the races of the characters been different.

The originals came out when Hollywood basically ignored minority actors. You may have missed the racial reckoning this country has been through since.

R71, well we realized that whitewashing characters is bad so we stopped. But now it’s okay to blackwash characters. Do you see how hypocritical that is? Why can’t we acknowledge past mistakes and move on instead of retroactively correcting and compensating for it? Blacks can have their all black Wakanda so why push for non-whites in a medieval European based world?

No r67 I actually don't think in terms of story that is historical white characters should be replaced by Black people. I think history should be done to reflect reality but we also need to tell the truth about what really happened in history. You remember there is a large movement to erase what really happened in the US during slavery and after. Anyway, no and I'm not aware of any historically set story outside of Bridgerton that crosses those lines you are sensitive about. I also don't really care about those stories.

I do think that when it comes to familiar works on Broadway (which is discussed often the the theatre gossip threads) that anyone that can be spectacular in the part should be cast for lead roles regardless of color. I use opera as a example of classics that have cast Black divas in the main roles and have been accepted by white audiences the world over.

Also, I don't want whites to write stories to include Black people. I want Black people to be included in writers rooms to write for Black characters.

The thing you stubbornly refuse to see is that white people took everything they have by force. They still are taking everything by force starting wars and skirmishes all over the world. Stealing resources, stealing the wealth in the US through corruption in government and in the courts. White people have used violence and intimidation against the Black community since slavery. They hold all the power over everything in society and government and commerce. No one gets ahead or leads a good life in the US unless they are connected to the white people power structure in some way.

Black people want representation so that they can be seen as human beings equal to white people. You clearly do not believe that Black people suffer anything or ever have suffered anything in this country. You refuse to see it or acknowledge it just like a huge number of other white people. You will not allow the truth of the Black experience to mar your enjoyment of not having to give a fuck.

[quote]Minority writers write their stories all the time. Mainly white writers, no matter whose stories they write, get produced more.

That’s not true anymore.

People in this thread claiming that Black people don’t write fantasy and that’s the only way they should get to be in fantasy films/shows is so ridiculous and racist.

For hundreds of years, Black people have been completely denigrated, enslaves, treated as animals, and ignored at best in the US.

But sure, it’s Black people’s fault for not getting their fantasy stories published in white dominated publishing houses! And to encourage keeping fantasy segregated so we preserve the legacy of the white writers….hmmm sounds familiar.

Shaking my head.

Why did you capitalize black, but not white? ^

[quote] What beloved character in Lord of the Rings had a race change? Oh none

The entire "Rings of Power," dumb ass.

And by the way, Billy Dee Williams was great as Lando Calrissian.

There was no pre-existing lore about him, so the writers wrote him into the story in a perfectly normal way. It wasn't forced or due to political correctness.

The Cloud City just happened to have a black manager. And it was perfect.

I think that's all people are asking.

Don't change characters that already existed, and change their race, just to appease the Wokesters.

Let things happen NATURALLY.

You think audiences are dumb? No. They know when things are being forced down their throats. Especially in SciFi.

And SciFi audiences won't put up with it.

R36, no one is demanding an all Black Lord of the Rings

[quote] I think that stories should be told, and the characters should be portrayed in the exact manner that the writer intended.

How do you now what Tolkien intended?

[quote] That’s not true anymore.

It is STILL very true.

[quote] How do you now what Tolkien intended?

By that same token, how do YOU know what Tolkien intended?

But we can surmise, through inference and logic, what the writer intended.

And one thing is for certain: none of his characters were intended to be black.

He was a British man, drawing upon British and Scandinavian lore.

[quote] The thing you stubbornly refuse to see is that white people took everything they have by force.

Oh really? ALL white people took EVERYTHING by force? Including all the Europeans living in Europe??

And I guess NO people of color ever took anything by force right?

Not African warlords (who sold their fellow Africans to the whites as slaves).

Not Arabs (who you probably consider to be POC even though they don’t) never took over North Africa and most of the Middle East and parts of Southern Europe.

And indigenous Native American/First Nations tribes never warred with each other and took each other’s land/property/slaves.

King Kamehameha never left the island of Hawaii to “unite” aka take over the other Hawaiian islands.

Right.

Only white people are bad. All of them. Ever.

[quote]MIddle Earth is complete fantasy, not historical fiction

These debates always go around in circles. The fact that Agrabah is a fictitious country with magic and genies, yet before the casting of Aladdin there were people all over the internet getting their panties in a twist over “white washing” and some sort of cultural accuracy. This argument is nonsense by the logic of many of these posts. Aladdin being white shouldn’t matter if Agrabah is not areal place. It is total fiction after all just like Middle-Earth.

To be honest, i think it will be way more interesting film N K Jemisin trilogy or Marlong James' than another Tolkien show. The three films were good, the three Hobbit films were unnecesary and this is simply cashing on a fanbase (a very narrow minded one).

House of the dragon is a different story, in Martin's books different races are mentioned (and even is a fantasy world were not everybody is straight)

[quote]By that same token, how do YOU know what Tolkien intended? But we can surmise, through inference and logic, what the writer intended. And one thing is for certain: none of his characters were intended to be black.

He likely didn't give race much of a thought. You are projecting what you're obsessed with on Tolkien.

[quote]Only white people are bad. All of them. Ever.

No, only white people aren't bad but they have oppressed at such a large scale over the last 500 years, they have to shoulder much of the blame.

Basic rule of racists: White people can play anyone ,but minorities can only play a character if that's how the author intended it. Plus, we will boycott movies that have any major minority characters.

[quote]He was a British man, drawing upon British and Scandinavian lore.

But he NEVER called any of his characters British or Scandinavian, did he?

what a racist slut

R95, so Snow White can be black because she's a fictional character? Mary Poppins can be black because she's fictional and P.L. Travers didn't specify her race? How about casting Nigerian actors to play the movie version of Hansel & Gretel based on a German fairy tale? Yes race matters even with fictional characters, moron.

R100, if Tolkien had been an African author who wrote a story about a fictional place inspired by African mythology/fairy tales, would you be asking the same stupid fucking question? Would you say "but he NEVER called any of his characters African or black, did he?" lol

[quote] It's become a universal story, Race is not even relevant here.

It certainly is. The mermaid in Anderson's story was not Asian or African American. And she's quiet, introspective, not aggressive or coquettish in any way. The Disney version completely revamped her, giving her a huge mane of cherry red hair and the personality of "a braying Valley Girl" as one critic put it. and of course she gets a happy ending, which the little mermaid in the story definitely did NOT get. My guess is that this new version will totally fuck up Anderson's dark tale just as much.

[quote]R102: so Snow White can be black because she's a fictional character? Mary Poppins can be black because she's fictional and P.L. Travers didn't specify her race? How about casting Nigerian actors to play the movie version of Hansel & Gretel based on a German fairy tale?

Of course. Any of them can be depicted a persons of color.

Are you one of those people who has meltdowns over depictions of Black Santa, or Black Jesus?

^ as persons

[quote] Of course. Any of them can be depicted a persons of color.

Who would totally change the character and the story by being a different race. It's stupid. I'm waiting for the remake of "Gone With The Wind" where the Southern plantation owners are black, the salves are white and the Yankees are Asians. Boy, THAT certainly wouldn't be detrimental to the story, not by one little bit!

Ding Ding Ding!

R107 wins the thread!

[Quote] So Snow White can be black because she's a fictional character? Mary Poppins can be black because she's fictional and P.L. Travers didn't specify her race? How about casting Nigerian actors to play the movie version of Hansel & Gretel based on a German fairy tale?

Sure, why not?

If Hansel and Gretel must stay German, why is just having white actors playing the roles enough? Why not demand that they be German whites?

Oh, because you’re a racist shit

[Quote] Who would totally change the character and the story by being a different race. It's stupid. I'm waiting for the remake of "Gone With The Wind" where the Southern plantation owners are black, the salves are white and the Yankees are Asians. Boy, THAT certainly wouldn't be detrimental to the story, not by one little bit!

Honestly that could be interesting.

[quote] So Snow White can be black

Yeah, because SNOW BLACK makes so much sense.

*rolling my fucking eyes*

Her motherfucking name is Snow WHITE!!!!

But blacks love re-writing books written by white people, for the sake of being "inclusive."

It's sickening.

Funny how the ONLY thing that matters to racists is race.

They don’t care of the actor is tall or short, fat or thin, straight or crooked nose, blond or brunette—apparent the only thing Tolkien intended was the characters were white.

No other characteristic mattered.

Maybe because many other Europeans look like Germans R110?

I say cancel Rings of Power and House of the Dragon.

Make them pay!!

I really didn't want to read this thread because I knew it would be filled with ignorant racist comments.

I wasn't wrong.

I like dragons. They're so much more attractive than the T-Rex.

[quote] I really didn't want to read this thread because I knew it would be filled with ignorant racist comments.

Starting with Whoopi Goldberg.

Whoopie Goldberg is one of the most brainless celebrities ever to walk the face of the earth. Why should anybody listen to anything she says? She has the IQ of a gnat.

R71 Three of the characters you listed ARE white, you imbecile.

Tolkien must be spinning in his grave, to know what they're doing to his stories and characters.

"Snow Black & The Seven Homies. I like the sound of that!"

[quote] Yeah, because SNOW BLACK makes so much sense. *rolling my fucking eyes* Her motherfucking name is Snow WHITE!!!! But blacks love re-writing books written by white people, for the sake of being "inclusive." It's sickening.

So you make up a scenario and then claim how awful it is. Okay.

[quote] Maybe because many other Europeans look like Germans [R110]?

Being white seems to be your only criterion for "looking like Germans."

What other criteria would you use? Not all [ethnic] Germans have blond hair and blue eyes.

[quote] Tolkien must be spinning in his grave, to know what they're doing to his stories and characters.

Tolkien doesn't care. He's dead.

His estate says it didn't like the movies because they didn't contain the seriousness of his books. The estate has said nothing against the black people in the TV show.

You do realize it's a complete fantasy land, right?

[quote] What other criteria would you use? Not all [ethnic] Germans have blond hair and blue eyes.

I'm not the one demanding that Hansel and Gretel be as close to the original source as possible...and then saying that being white is really the only criterion to be close to the source

[quote] What other criteria would you use? Not all [ethnic] Germans have blond hair and blue eyes.

That they speak in German and the story is only ever in German

[quote] Three of the characters you listed ARE white, you imbecile.

Which three would that be?

Certainly not the Lone Ranger

[quote] Whoopie Goldberg is one of the most brainless celebrities ever to walk the face of the earth. Why should anybody listen to anything she says? She has the IQ of a gnat.

Yet a bank account multiple times yours...and in dollars, not rubles

Again, when I see a good performance of Iago by an African-American actor, I shall be satisfied.

But I ain't seen none yet, Ms. "Goldberg," "Y'all."

Meaning equity is equity and color-blind is color-blind and "reparational equality" used as a word for special access to roles, just changing special-class definitions, not the system of inequality, is the same-old shit. And casting by quota is inimical to art. Thank God THAT isn't a topic involved with these hideous fantasy shows.

[quote] Being white seems to be your only criterion for "looking like Germans."

Germans ARE white, you fucking idiot!!!!

What in the hell are you even talking about?

Roald Dahl would be horrified at what's being done to his work. His tale "The Witches" was made into an entertaining movie starring Angelica Houston. Aside from the tacked on happy ending it was pa pretty good depiction of his book. Set in present day England and Norway, it was the story of a little boy (English in the book) and his Norwegian grandmother, a large, serious, sedentary woman in her 80s. His grandmother being Norwegian was a very pertinent detail; it seems that Norwegians are very knowledgeable about the supernatural, so the grandmother knows all about witches, and tells her grandson all about them so he won't be a victim of one. Well, in the remake it's set in the South in 1968; the little English boy is now black and his grandmother, played by Octavia Spencer, is a jolly, dancing Mammy-like creation. The change in location and the races of the characters mangled everything; it was no longer Dahl's story anymore. The production got mediocre reviews and was deemed inferior to the original version. And it got a lot of criticism because in this version the witches have long, claw-like hands that resembled that hands of people afflicted with ectrodactyly and other limb differences.

Roald Dahl was quite an anti-Semite. No doubt in an effort to soften his bigotry his widow came out with the story that he wanted Charlie in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" to be a black boy, but that his publishers forbade him to do that. That's bullshit. I don't think it ever crossed his mind to make a child in one of his stories black. His second wife, Felicity Crosland, used to be some kind of film assistant; she's taken to producing like a duck to water. She wants to continue producing new versions of his work but his reputation was tarnished due to his anti-Semitism, therefore she came up with the unverified story about him wanting Charlie to be black. But with everything that's known about Roald Dahl, that story seems quite unbelievable. As far as I know NO character in any of his books were black, except for the Oompa Loompas, who were illustrated as kinky haired, black pygmy like creatures in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory."

R134 it sounds like more than ethnicity was changed, then. Poor writing/creative choices are a legit criticism, and it doesn’t have to do with race, necessarily, so people need to be clear about what makes the remake or biopic or show not great—it can’t just be ethnicity or race or that is purely racism (not saying that that’s what you’re doing—this is more of a general comment).

Meg in A Wrinkle in Time was Black in the big budget version 4 or 5 years ago, and it had no bearing on the story and didn’t affect it at all because she was written the same way. Unfortunately, the editing and plot choices and things left out of the movie that were in the book made the movie fall a bit flat.

If there are legit criticisms of Lord of the Rings writing/editing/acting, fine, but the bullshit about changing ethnicity/race ruining it is ridiculous.

r63 As you can see, the best these people can do is throw us a bone by changing the race of already established White characters to Black and somehow, we're supposed to be flattered by this.

Excuse me but, I actually have dignity. I have no interest in "begging to be included" or for "a spot at the table" along with the fuckers who clearly don't want us there. We need to build our own damn table and stop getting on our knees and crying about "representation" in their creations/media. It's pathetic. The way we keep crying to be accepted by Whites is just embarrassing and I want no part of it. If you're willing to accept table scraps in the form of a race change, fine. I, personally, have higher expectations for my people.

Damn it.

And for the record, I couldn't care less if they see me as human or not. I don't exist to please their delicate sensibilities. If a White person has "difficulty" seeing me human, that's not a White person I'm particularly interested in "impressing." Fuck them and the donkey they road in on.

[Quote] Germans ARE white, you fucking idiot!!!!

There’s more to being German than just being white…

Such as......

r139 Scat porn and chocolate cake.

Whoopi Jane was just suspended in February for racist comments regarding Jews and the Holocaust. Why isn't she cancelled?

Was Whoppi trying to look like Gary Oldman in Dracula with that hair? Not a good look Whoopster.

[quote] Such as......

speaking in German.

It's ridiculous that some demand absolute purity in how stories are told, but that purity is just that the characters stay white.

R141, because she was not wrong. She was commenting in the American definition of race, not a sociological one that Jws use.

Could Goldilocks and the Three Bears be remade with a black or asian girl? The word Goldilocks kind of implies that she's white. How about Rapunzel with her long golden hair? What about Greek and Roman mythological figures? Can we make a movie with an all white cast depicting the gods and goddesses of ancient China? It's just fantasy after all, right?

It’s always the snow queens like Whoppi that get the most offended by stuff like this.

Is Whoppi a new Burger King offering?

[quote]Could Goldilocks and the Three Bears be remade with a black or asian girl? The word Goldilocks kind of implies that she's white. How about Rapunzel with her long golden hair? What about Greek and Roman mythological figures? Can we make a movie with an all white cast depicting the gods and goddesses of ancient China? It's just fantasy after all, right?

Well, the color of their hair is completely irrelevant to their stories.

Greeks and Romans we're exactly white either.

"I'm insufferable y'all!"

I'ma Dyke!

With that face, she'd have no choice.

R148 The color of their hair is irrelevant to their stories? The name GOLDilocks makes it pretty obvious that the color of her hair is relevant to the story. She wasn't called Afrolocks. And Rapunzel had long BLONDE hair her husband used to climb up the wall of the castle. "Rapunzel! Rapunzel! Let down your hair, that I may climb that GOLDEN stair." Very clear again that she could only have been white. The Greeks and Romans were white. You didn't answer my question about using an all-white cast to portray the fantasy/mythological figures of other cultures and races like ancient China. How about Leonardo DiCaprio as the God Yan Wang?

Shut the fuck up, Whoopi.

Go WOKE, go broke!

R153 The curious thing is both shows are doing very well

R16 you're making a lot of ASSumptions for someone referring to another as stupid.

Is she railing against those who dislike The Little Mermaid yet? That's being downvoted heavily, too.

Orca and The Little Sea Cow

What if SpongeBob was green?

Whoopi is generally annoying and I don’t watch the Rings show, but I don’t get the big deal over the casting of black actors in House of the Dragon. The guy who plays Corylys is excellent and hot. He and his wife are a believable couple with chemistry - what else do you need??

Also, I was really moved by his son’s storyline in last Sun’s episode. Gut-wrenching!

Unrelated but Matt Smith has grown on me.

I'm starting a petition to ban The Lords of The Rings trilogy because it promotes genocide...

the prequel shows us a diverse landscape, so where did all these people go?

And if not genocide, then you know it was slavery in Undying Lands to prepare for the whitey white white elves.

R21, if you turned it into a musical like SIX, then you have something

. Songs: White Privilege chaps my white ass, I am the Man. Robots will replace Me!

Ladies and gentlemen, this whole thing is an example of " wokeism."

She's 100 percent right.

R162 nonsense. STFU

The original Star Wars universe was all white. People rightfully called out George Lucas for his idiocy. Billy Dee Williams was quickly cast in a starring role. Once Disney took over the franchise, cast diversity exploded. Racist scum fans went ballistic. Disney ignored them and continues to make lots of money with "woke" casting.

[quote] About using an all-white cast to portray the fantasy/mythological figures of other cultures and races like ancient China. How about Leonardo DiCaprio as the God Yan Wang?

A few years back, there was a bit of social media furore about Dylan Sprouse cast as the heroic lead Calaf in a critically-panned Ch!nese film adaptation of 'Turandot'.

It had to be pointed out to many an outrage troll that Calaf as a character has always been described as an orphan foreigner from a far off land, in both Puccini's Orientalist opera and the Persian stories on which that opera was originally based. He could be Eastern, but he could just as easily be Western, it is never explicitly mentioned. So there's no reason than an Italian-American blond white boy can't play Calaf.