REVENGE Part 8- The Tom Bower Book

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"Harry and Meghan's -not-so-warm welcome. Duke and Duckess of Sussex run gaunlet of boos- from 100 strong group of protesters- including one holding a sign accusing them of being 'fake royals'- while in UK for pseudo-royal tour." by Rebecca English 05 Sept 2022

Did her back fat travel to her face?

r2 Nothing seems to be going right or to plan for them.I wonder if they will ever truly question where they went wrong?

Nope. It will all be down to the "jealous haterz!!"

Hopefully these charities will start to ditch them.

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How convenient that she makes her skin darker for these kind of events.

There are two threads for Part 8 now. Which one is the right one?

r9 When i used search no existing thread was revealed which is why I started one?

r8 Convenient and cynical

I can see how the Royal family especially William must be so angry. Most people never heard of Markle before Harry and she is making her name off bashing their family. Then you can see how she treats her own father.

I think Harry has always been off but his family watched out for him to try to protect his image. I do think the picture of Harry laughing and looking at Katherine used to be genuine. Now Harry and his wife's mission is to destroy them.

I hope these organizations stop inviting them. I can see that, even if they know with her it’s all ME ME ME, they do get lots of press coverage. But attendees and other sponsors must be so fed up.

R4 No because they are in their own bubble surrounded by yes people and expensive PR who tell them their farts perfume the world.

R8 Without the tan spray, she is as white as Catherine.

Who the fuck is Tom Bower?

Megs isn't smiling at the One Young World do, or rather her smile isn't heartfelt. That's Megs grimacing, forcing an affable facial expression to control/hide the absence of adulation/obeisance simmering rage she feels toward everyone around her, including the bozo she married sitting to her left. She's gotten to the point where the attention, both positive and negative, no longer gives her the thrill she requires. Stay tuned for Megs volcanic crack up/lash out.

Funny you should mention that, R16, when I looked at the photos in the DM earlier I noticed the same thing, that her eyes are even more absent than usual of any of the smiles she's trying to show the audience. She's barely even smizing anymore. And Harry looked thoroughly checked out.

R17 Take a look at Jacki Weaver in Animal Kingdom. There is a scene of her in the film where she adopts an almost identical look/grimace to Megs. An outstanding display of someone who's delusion/derangement has overtaken whatever was left of her sanity.

Well, it's hard to smile when you are giving a speech after having been booed before you began. They look like they feel like hunted animals.

[QUOTE]Who the fuck is Tom Bower? —too lazy to google?

Actually, too stupid to breathe. And then some.

[quote]They look like they feel like hunted animals.

They do. If I was them, I would use my wealth and privilege to retreat to my gorgeous house and enjoy my gorgeous, healthy children for the next year or so. It's very difficult to feel sorry for 2 people who have gone about putting themselves in this position so deliberately.

R19 If they feel "hunted", they are the ones who have consistently painted a very large bullseye on their foreheads.

This whole ongoing Harkles shit show is just the best thing ever. Watching it all fall apart before our eyes is pure entertainment. I know it’s not nice to say this, but watching a pair of complete cunts getting ever more desperate and called out for it, it just makes me smile.

I can hardly wait for the next instalment, will that be the book?

If Harry has any smarts, he won't publish any book. But Meghan will force him to, both for the money and the attention & press. She seems to have total power over him. I bet he regrets ever saying, "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!"

I don't buy H&M's basic selling point that they were somehow wronged by the British Royal Family. That seems to be their stock in trade now, and they're wasting their lives peddling it.

I also don't buy Harry having a chip on his shoulder of his own. Yes, he was 12 when his mother died, and nobody should have to go through that. Certainly he has some scars from that. But I don't buy his anger at the rest of his family.

They are the architects of their own downfall.

Ginger brat had a guaranteed job for life with salary, expense account, company vehicle, wardrobe reimbursement, staff, security, full retirement benefits including housing. No hustling for work. Job description: Glad hand a few hours a week. Maybe 20 hours tops which is the equivalent of a part-time job.

Dumbass.

I repeat DUMBASS.

Yes, but your boring, bald brother is the fucking KING!

The Manchester high wasn't a good start if this was their way of reinvigorating their royal aura.

Small cr oi w outside of maybe 100 people, with a large component booing them and a sign seen round the world saying "FO MEGHAN AND HARRY FAKE ROYALS".

The cofounder of the charity criticised the pair for hurting the Queen and airing their family problems in public. She was bullied by Meghan's hit man, Omid Scobie who posted Robertson's tweet to his 66,000 followers, who piled on to the poor woman, who deleted her tweet and apologised three hours later.

When the backlash followed calling Scobie a bully, he deleted his tweet.

What the public will remember, as always happens with the Sussexes, is the divisive, negative effect they carry and spread.

The placard, the small crowd, the booing, the extravagant security that showcases their delusions of grandeur, and the attempt to stifle a woman's criticism with guerrilla tactics by a known today, buried her boring speech. And then there was glum Harry, who smiled in the car from the airport, but by the time the show started, had returned to his grim Why the Fuck Did I Get Myself Into This? face.

The police refused an escort out to the airport but did agree to set up some roadblocks.

Meghan was clever enough to issue an outrageous smear against a set of journalists who invlude some of the most reputable in the British press, or they wouldn't be allowed in the royal rota, just one week before arriving. . .

Guaranteeing the worst possible press focussing on every last negative in student and showing as much mercy as the Spanish Inquisition.

If this is the best they could do to provide Netflix with more footage showcasing how important and meaningful they are one trembles for the finished product.

Does anyone think the Cambridges have anything to fear from this sorry arse spectacle of two wannabes unable even to fake it?

Or that Sue Braverman, the likely next Home Office Secretary, is impressed enough to change the government's stance on whether Harry should get his 24/7 armed protection back?

Tom Bower will have to issue a third edition at the state the Harkles are providing him with new material.

Is there time for him to get the podcasts, the by now legendary CUT interview and fallout, and the UK "tour" shit in?

^*known toady (not today)

. . every last negative incident

Fucking autocorrect.

It's as if we are watching the train wreck in progress. The past year and, I estimate, the next two will be years of desperation for the Sussexes as the money slows down but their expenses do not. As people get more desperate, their actions become even more unwise. I don't know where this is all heading, but the royal family is wise to just keep offering the olive branch but carefully control the Sussexes' presence at royal events (such as the service during the Jubilee). The next big events may be the Queen's funeral and Charles's coronation. No doubt, the presence of the Sussexes will be carefully controlled, much to their displeasure.

[quote]Yes, but your boring, bald brother is the fucking KING!

Boring works.

As far as Harry's lawsuit asking for Judicial Review of his security status goes, it should be noted that the new PM as a 19 year old student, supported a referendum to abolish the monarchy. Once into politics, Truss recanted and asserted the monarchy was an important part of British culture.

And there Truss is today, delighted to be formally invited by said monarchy to form a government.

But one must wonder if her change of public stance on the matter goes terribly deep or was more in the way of accepting a practical political realit. And if so, share that bodes for the government changing its conclusion even if Judicial Review is ordered.

^*what (not share) that bodes for . . .

Truss is no diff to any other pollie aspiring to power. She'd stand on her head knickerless and whistle G-d Save the Queen if would assure her of the leadership.

Meghan is having the time of her life right now. Being written up, going to events, wearing fashions, getting photographed - surely THIS is the life she had in mind when they bolted the royal family, before Covid stymied their plans. Thing is, these big glamorous events don't really seem to happen much in LA or NY anymore. Movie premieres? Kinda gone now. There's the Met Gala and dying awards shows and that's about it. My point being, they need to swan as quasi "royals" at these charity events, otherwise what else is there?

Is that doctor they have in tow going to turn out to be some expert witness testifying as to how the lack of security has had a detrimental effect on their health and they must be compensated for the damage to their health?

They sure have a lot of help and security around them. Alas, no fans.

Desperate is as desperate does and man are they desperate.!

At the One Young World conference, was Megs the headliner this year? I think the last time she attended, the time of the Long Walk, Justin Trudeau was already on stage. (Of course they know each other, I wonder what *he* thinks) and Bob Geldorf.

In the last thread someone posted a link of their entrance. The Not-So-Long Walk, with Harry and with her hair neatly pulled back this time. Of course, they were preceded by a cameraman with a huge camera, walking backwards to impress upon the attendees that this is actually for Netflix. Also it difficult to applaud when you are using both hands to hold your smartphone steady. But that was just the lucky ones seated on the aisle. When Megs gave her speech, she was basking in the gaze of two tiers of balconies packed with people.

I wonder what she does for them besides giving a speech once a year.

R37 They’re so pathetic with all that self-aggrandizing. Seriously, they could have just self-parked in the hotel’s garage like us peasants and no one would even know they’re there.

[quote]Yes, but your boring, bald brother is the fucking KING!

Not quite yet, mind you.

Netflix has a preview of the upcoming H&M docudrama:

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Sloppy.

Fuck, I thought we could use their pictures at least.

LOL... the Maul has a video of all 34 references to herself during her seven minute speech... with a nice "ding" sound effect.

If Will is Boring -- calm, measured, courteous, engaged -- then Boring is fantastic.

My God she looks appalling, and totally inappropriate.

Could someone please tell Meghan she's not tall? Those pants!

R43 Oh, my. That’s so many monochromatic shades of awful. Her magic mirror is still broken!

They need 5 security guards to protect them from their fan?

Did she time travel back to 1983 to buy that getup?

That Düsseldorf outfit is a giant don't, poor thing. Bad color and horrible cut for her. The knit halterneck thing that makes her boobs look as droopy as the Queen's and Camilla's, and then tucked into the high-waisted trousers making her waist even stouter. Her face looks like it's melting.

10s of people turned up to see H&M in Germany today...crowd size compared to W&C's trip a couple years ago.

The fuck is she wearing? And wow her boobs are really heading south already aren't they.

That outfit is inappropriate for earth, but especially for what is essentially a work function.

Who is the old lady they brought in to speak to us? She deals with world leaders, but I don’t think it could be Liz Truss. (I don’t think Truss is married to the Queen’s nephew.) She looks too old to be Theresa May. Or maybe she’s a lawyer or something. She says something about being at a law firm.

Anyway, I don’t get the relevance of her story to my life. All the single princes are at least ten years younger than me. Can I realistically expect to follow her path to power? I think Denmark and Belgium may have princes too. I’ll check if there are any options there. But God, it’s still depressing to think you have to marry a halfwit like the one next to her to get ahead.

I wonder why her parents named her Duchess. Was that a popular name when she was born?

Oh no, she’s talking about being a wife and grandmother again.

I wonder why they dress her that way. Does it help her carers find her when she wonders off?

She’s a lot more tan than on the website. I wonder if she has been on holiday I bet it was somewhere nice.

I'll tell you the truth about Meghan and Harry. I worked at their house for 3 weeks. One morning, I was

The podcast strikes again. Stories about herself, humblebrags, fishing for compliments. Such fun!

As for the Düsseldorf crowds--I wonder how many were rubbernecking as opposed to having made an effort to turn up for those two.

How much black face though? and yte eveytone ignores it.

R58 Clever you.

The outfit is nothing short of disastrous.

There are reports that there was some faint booing even in Dusseldorf, but that paid extras were brought in to cheer. The contrast between these crowds and those for Kate are hilarious.

Masquerading is exhausting. One wonders how they can keep it up mentally as well as physically. It isn't possible that they don't see the difference between what they'd have experienced on these outings if they were still working royals and bona fide members of the Firm, and what they're experiencing now.

Or is it? What a flexible thing is the human mind.

And, note in the Mindy Kaling podcast she bemoans her "frizzy" hair. What she had was naturally African textured hair, and given what a sensitive topic this is for black women, it's astonishing that she made such a faux pas whilst parading her sprayed on Extra Black Today look.

Her comments rejecting how lucky she was to become Harry's bride are ludicrous in light of the truth: if she hadn't been chosen, she wouldn't be living in a $14 million home in Montecito, she wouldn't be a global celebrity, she wouldn't be wearing millions in designer clothes, and her face wouldn't be plastered all over the Internet.

She's actually pretending that her good fortune is either nothing she really cares about, which not even a Martian would believe, or that it would have happened on her own immense talent and hard work (her part was being written out of SUITS and she had no other high end professional prospects).

Last but not least, she is ON RECORD with several people, including Gina Nelthorpe-Cowne, her PR rep in Britain, that she came to England in 2015-2016 on the hunt for a high-profile English boyfriend.

Meghan's dishonesty is familiar.

What is still shocking, though, is Meghan's obliviousness to a public record that belies everything she's asserting.

What the fuck was she thinking? There were obviously no mirrors around when she got dressed today.

Hair is a mess - check

Pants are too long and too baggy - check

Belt is too high - check (she looks like a Grandpa wearing his pants too high).

Top is too casual and does no favors for her breasts.

R60 Not on DL they aren't.

r60. she is doing blackface, and she forgets her hands.We are supposed to think she is a obvious Black american, or maybe a bit italian or maltese

Is it possible for the two of them to go anywhere without clinging to each other like a couple of adolescent coconut trees, fused in the backyard of some prefab trashienda in California?

Her speeches should be a drinking game.

[quote]It isn't possible that they don't see the difference between what they'd have experienced on these outings if they were still working royals and bona fide members of the Firm, and what they're experiencing now.

Meghan rationalizes this with "we're building a business, Archewell is a ' start-up' " - I'm sure this is repeated to Harry endlessly as they swan throough empty streets and thin crowds at their destinations despite the advance publicity and paid-for spectators.

I'll bet Harry nods in resolved agreement, all the while thinking to himself - 'this is a shitshow compared to my previous life.'

Yup she's got Harry by the balls...

I recall mocking her for her inability to get her podcasts done and out there.

Now I'm starting the think the world was better off.

[quote] “everyone was just like: ‘Oh, my God, you’re so lucky, he chose you’. At a certain point, after you hear it a million times over, you’re like: ‘Well, I chose him, too.’

Well, at least she's honest.

[quote]“Ugly duckling … Maybe not conventional beauty – now maybe that would be seen as beautiful – but massive frizzy curly hair..."

As things come in threes, we're now one own goal away from completely alienating her black constituency.

Woof, sorry but that is a terrible outfit! It looks like she's wearing balloon or diaper pants...it's terrible!

Two tennis balls in a pair of socks.

Awful tits.

[quote] At a certain point, after you hear it a million times over, you’re like: ‘Well, I chose him, too.’

Kate even did that better.

During their university days at St Andrews, a friend told Kate how lucky she was to be going out with Prince William.

Smiling, Kate simply replied: "He's lucky to have me."

Why the hell didn't she put a jacket over that top? What mirror does she use that tells her she looks good?

Oh that's jusr Miss Pretentious flouting general protocol. So edgy!

Always always a nasty mess.

Oh, how sweet? H & M still think they're royal so they did a mini walkabout in Dusseldorf.

I'm convinced her staff hates her and tells her she looks amazing in those awful get-ups.

This is what Meghan was trying to emulate with her outfit today. As if.

Well, it did work, R81...from Outer Space.

[quote]Is it possible for the two of them to go anywhere without clinging to each other like a couple of adolescent coconut trees, fused in the backyard of some prefab trashienda in California?

Well, there's this:

[quote]“One of the first things my husband saw when we walked around the house was those two palm trees,” she coos. “See how they’re connected at the bottom? He goes, ‘My love, it’s us.’

Saggy titties, pants swallowing up half her short torso, and uneven self-tan. She's determined to continue to be that "ugly duckling".

That fake tan is ridiculous, I thought you guys were exaggerating til I saw her pic

Even a man can see that proper foundation garments are fundamental to a classy look regardless of whether you're going casual, cocktail, or evening. This is at least the fifth time Meghan has come out in an outfit whose underthings are practically talking to people. The now famous grey Roland Mouret dress is the poster illustration, but she's done it numerous times. Even in long-sleeved dresses that do not require a strapless brassiere, she's worn one whose outlines clearly show underneath a tight bodice.

I dunno, does she need to call attention to what is, at best, an indifferent bosom?

Please - any heteros on board here tonight who can tell us if this sort of thing is really exciting?! I mean, does it work?!

A jacket would have camouflaged her thick waist.

She looks in the mirror and sees "fabulous." Because she's a fabulist. Everything about her is a lie - and she has no idea! It would be funny if she wasn't so damned condescending and arrogant - so it's just maddening.

Yeah that outfit today in Germany was really bad. There was a time when she seemed able to dress for her shape, but it is inexplicably long gone. Those sloppy, billowy pants pulled up to her tits is just an awful look.

Harry & Meghan Booed and Heckled in Manchester:

I am loving the Dangling Tendrils era wardrobe! The wrinkles, bronzer goofs, dragging hems, undergarment failure. Of course accompanied by the preening, swanning and rampant self delusion. I don’t miss Dynasty any more!!

Good morning Meg, my love. I am so lucky you married me.

And I, you, Haz.

I don’t want to go to the engagement today. I’m burned out. I’d rather lie in bed holding hands with you.

We can hold hands thoughout the engagement. I just don’t feel very attractive today. Do you think I have back fat?

You’re like a model, dear one.

Oh, Haz, I love you more than the day I married you. I can’t wait to renew our vows. Do you think we could renew them in the garden before the official ceremony?

I don’t see why not.

I don’t know what’s going on with the bronzer, the smile, the dead eyes, but I’ve rarely seen a woman with a face so punchable.

Hit face, dodgy body, terrible style -- Haz must see his life flashing before his eyes when he looks at THAT.

Harry and Meghan couldn't escape the booing in Germany. They got booed.

Are you sure? sounds like Moos.

R95 Oh my word, those MOOS are 10x worse than boos.

Or some kind of goat mewling?

Maybe that's how Germans "boo"

These walkabouts are unnecessary and embarrassing. Why don’t they just go to the venues?

MOO Meghan MOOOOO.

-the German people have spoken

So Kate did the "he was lucky to get me" first. Dumbass doesn't have a thought in her head that isn't plagiarized from someone.

So someone above said we should have a drinking game. Every time she says "me" or "I" we take a shot.

We'll be under the table in less than five minutes.

Those kids shot her body straight to shit,didnt they ? I bet Harry thinks about all the hot bitches he fucked while trying to stick his half hard dick into that square blob !

She looks to be back to pre pregnancy body...it was never stellar.

Those pekvic bones and ribs are never snapping back to their younger days, and her face has aged 15 years since 2020.

Someone on Reddit linked to a Pinterest page that had collected a lot of her looks from The Tig. I know people thought she was dressed well by the stylists on Suits--Ive never watched it but from the photos I've seen it was Hot Babe Trying To Look Serious...But Still Hot. Long pencil skirts and half unbuttoned silky blouses. Yawn. Her Tig photos plus a lot of fashion or magazine shoot photos were actually pretty good because they seemed less Determined To Impress. More casual outfits, skinny jeans and blazers. Of course she was younger and pre-kids. I guess the main thing was, her hair looked SO much better, more volume on top and usually a side part. I don't know why she insists on that center part and it's so flat on top and clumpy at the ends when she wears it down. Or scraped back into a tight ponytail. There was an Elle? shoot in Paris with her hair pulled back but it had a lot of fullness around her face. It was really flattering. Oh well.

In the photos of her out in the sunlight in Dusseldorf, it's mind boggling how obvious it is that she darkened her face, because that stupid halter top exposes shoulders that are several shades lighter.

I cannot get over how people so mental they can't even keep a facade up coherently have been allowed to get this far.

I also note that Katie Nicholls insists that the Queen invited the Sussexes up to Balmoral for an end of August visit, to stay with Charles and Camilla at Birkhall, and the Sussexes refused.

I don't know why anyone would bother to tell Nicholl this unless the Palace is trying hard to paint the BRF as the forgiving, loving family, and the Sussexes as the hard-arsed bastards holding a grudge.

I can't think why Nicholl would circulate something she knew wasn't true, so the only two possibilities is that the Sussexes leaked it to stick it to the Queen (which is stupid because it would make them look bad), or the Palace leaked it, also to make the Sussexes look bad.

It's also possible that the invite was extended not for a friendly visit, but for a family conference given the recent fallout from the podcasts and interview.

Having a sense here of more shoes yet to drop.

The photos of Meghan out in the light that the DM has up in this article are so horrible that they're shocking. The looks bad, her skin looks bad, there are big pouches under her eyes, and there is actually a photograph of nothing but their legs so you can see how badly dressed BOTH of them are, but particularly Meghan, where you can see the pant leg on the ground, literally. She - looks - awful.

Link in next post.

Why are they parading around like they are still doing the Royal family duties?

They want to be worshiped, adored, and paid for doing next to nothing.

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^The photos of Meghan out in the light that the DM has up in this article linked above are so horrible that they're shocking. The hair looks bad, her skin looks bad, there are big pouches under her eyes, and there is actually a photograph of nothing but their legs so you can see how badly dressed BOTH of them are, but particularly Meghan, where you can see the pant leg on the ground, literally. She - looks - awful.

As is its custom, the DM takes aim and with the sureness of an Agincourt archer, hits the Shade Bullseye, whilst talking out of the other side of its mouth in print.

Those pants are a crime. How could she look in a mirror and think that looked good?

Because her face is so dark they had to draw her eyebrows in and she looks like Cruella

The close-up picture of Meghan's badly wrinkled beige pants from was absolutely shocking - She must have worn them on the flight over and then pulled them back on the next morning!

The Germans yelled "moooo" when they saw her tits.

I just feel sorry for Her Majesty. Harry could have put his foot down and said to Meghan "Yes, we're going to see my Grandmother on Wednesday. If you don't want to go, that's OK. I'll go."

Harry had better not be sitting at Her Majesty's funeral crying crocodile tears. I would personally slap him. "Why didn't you go and be with her when you had a chance?"

Good one, R114.

The length of those trousers along with the spike 5" heels is fucking dangerous. In this case, I could understand her clawing him like she's holding on for dear life - she needs to!

Could it be that during the Suits days, she was more willing to listen to advice (or could be made to) because she was a nobody who hadn't made it yet. Now she's the Duchess, the Red Queen, nobody has the right to tell her anything - and if they dare try, she'll do the exact opposite like a toddler in a tiara throwing a tantrum. No these damned pants don't need hemming, don't you think I KNOW if my fucking pants don't look right? (latte cup hurling against the wall)

Yes, she always knows best. dangling tendrils threads were full of fashion critique and amazement..we spent months trying to figure out why she would go out like that, was no one helping her, does she really think she looks good? And Harry with holes in shoes, needing haircut, unkempt in general. It’s more entertaining than most shows these days.

Did Kate wear some similar trousers recently? Maybe I'm imagining things but she does have form when it comes to copy-catting. And Kate could carry off the look because of her height.

Kate also has a waist and wears appropriate foundation garments.

Wonder if Meghan's ever had a peek at katemiddletonstyle dot org

Meghan looks like even more of a disaster after seeing how fabulous the future Queen Kate looks in them.

"Poorly dressed" should be an "archetype" she takes on in her podcast. Special guest: Helena Bonham Carter.

Helena is always letting her inner mentally-ill bag lady out for a walk. MM always looks like a blind woman who got dressed with no one to tell her how she looked before she went out of the house.

To me Kate always looks like she's dressed for a job interview.

Which is usually exactly how she's supposed to look. Put together, conservative not flashy, nothing that will upstage anyone or draw too much attention to herself etc. I was sick of her coat dresses 5+ years ago but no one can say she doesn't understand the brief - and the brief ain't entertaining me with her outfits.

Meg looks like a big red block atop two skinny red drinking straws.

The red outfit made her shoulders look very wide. She also looks like she has no breasts.

Naturally, Catherine looks amazing in that long, flowing trouser style. Meghan, if you're going to copy your more glamorous sister-in-law, TRY HARDER!

For all their meticulous planning, they always look so disheveled. Meghan's pants were all wrinkled when she was getting out of the car and Harry's shirt was not properly tucked in, you could see some muffin top hanging out.

I wish Meghan would stop with the mono camel and nude color scheme she seems so fond of. It really is baffling how someone with the best stylists at her disposable globally can miss the mark almost every time. The sleeveless top was the same cut of her "leaving the wedding party" dress on her big day, the white Stella McCartney. I wonder if she did this top as well. It really washes her out. And I agree - the slicked hair does her absolutely no favors. She looks much better when she wears her hair like Kates, long and bouncy. It's more feminine - her face looks too hard with her current look. I think navy blue is one of her best colors if she were to mono. There is one royal; outfit with facinator that she wore where she really looked good - this is the photo that is one like every book cover, including OP's revenge. It's royal, yet soft. She and Harry both aged since Megxit.

R128 I'm not sure any good stylists would be keen to work for her. She considers her own styling to be impeccable for a start, then there's her bullying reputation and the fact the public doesn't seem to like her...

It's odd, because MM is so thin-skinned and surely reads the multitude of criticism directed at her clothes and looks. In her place, I'd trial the best stylists available and not stop til I got a good result.

She does read the criticism. Have you not noticed the backless outfits she has been photographed in lately? As if trying to prove to everyone that she doesn't have back fat. Or how much her weight has been fluctuating lately? She did something to her neck area after the triple chin photo came out.

This isn't her first time wearing poorly fitted palazzo pants (that dragged the ground) with a tucked in shirt that accentuated her boxy body. She wore such a get up when she went to Wimbledon with Kate the first time.

And for those asking why she doesn't employ a stylist, she doesn't think she needs to. Recall that in the correspondence that Jason Knauf turned over to the court in the case against the Sunday Mail, not only was it revealed that Meghan perjured herself, but that she considered styling herself very important because it was one of the few ways she could exert control over her life while in the clutches of BRF.

You guys know that popular definition of insanity? Doing the same things over and over again expecting different results... Yup. With her wardrobe and her behavioral patterns. Except Meghan repeats herself and becomes more mawkish as time goes by.

Yes.

As noted, this outfit isn't appropriate for the event, its meant to be a serious matter, not a social lunch with friends. Plus it's not so hot in Germany you need to expose the flesh

I'd be mortified if my body and fashion choices were pilloried in the press. Diana went to the Vogue editorial staff for guidance and they transformed her. MM could do the same.

I said it upthread (or in a different thread), MM does not understand European culture at all. It's quite shocking and a big faux pas that she was exposing her shoulders for a business/official event in the day time. This is in addition to the fact that the outfit itself is terrible and does not fit her body at all.

Markle looks atrocious.

She may have body dysmorphic syndrome: just as individuals with anorexia view themselves to be “fat” when cachectic, she views herself to look fashionable when she looks like an absolute fashion disaster.

She truly is comedy gold.

Any chance the doctor traveling with them will notice they are batshit crazy and have them both sectioned?

R138 Chance would be a fine thing.

[quote]"Poorly dressed" should be an "archetype" she takes on in her podcast. Special guest: Helena Bonham Carter.

Hurricane Bonham Carter.

And it's not like Kate has a perfect body --no one does-- and can wear clothes right off the rack. They are meticulously altered, especially the pants hems: brushing the top of the shoe and always worn with the same height heel. The wide-legged pants MM just wore, from the side she looks like a beige tree trunk, rooted to the ground.

Harry has pubic hair head.

They live in California. The shallowest place on earth, with a massive industry devoted to sustaining that shallowness... and he can't find somebody to sort out his hairdo? I'm surprised she allows it, but to look at her get ups she's all imagination and no mirror.

[quote]The wide-legged pants MM just wore, from the side she looks like a beige tree trunk, rooted to the ground.

Excuse me? Fused in love to the bottom of the red tree trunk next to her.

Listen to the podcast, hater.

Their over-the-top declarations of love and constant clutching in public read as fake and overcompensating. It would not surprise me if MM despises Harry, and takes delight in him looking like shit, thinking that HE is the one who married up.

Never mind the bad clothes, look at THE FACE. Who is that much okder woman pushing Harry down the street?

She should embrace her smaller stature. No more stilettos, and absolutely not in the daytime, this is a glaring mistake. Her legs will look less spindly with a lower heel. She has fit and pleasant shoulders and arms, even so, baring them during the day is tacky, okay in evening wear.

is she about 5'4"? she has to accept herself to make the most of them...she is not lanky, so skip the clothes for models. See, the thing with her is that her ego and vanity catch her up always. That's what is so comical.

^Kate can wear a great deal off the rack, but she knows what and what not to pull off the rack. She has height, fantastic muscle tone, and a small waist, but she's also got a very long torso - to be perfect, she'd need another inch or two in the leg. But she's quite clever at working with that, wearing ensembles that make her legs look longer/torso shorter by drawing the eye to the waist, fuller skirts at the hip and thigh. The only place you can really see it is when she wears jeggings, when she doesn't seem to care.

Her clothes for official work are also immaculately tailored, even when one might not agree completely with the colour or cut of what she chooses. I don't like everything she wears (she should dump just above the elbow sleeves now and forever), but it always, ALWAYS fits properly.

This is what I don't understand about Meghan. She has the money, the access, and the time to see that her clothes fit, either when or after purchasing. I do not for the life of me understand why any same woman would have worn what she did to that event in Dusseldorf when she has the resources that Meghan does.

^*sane (not same) woman

^What I also don't understand about the Dusseldorf event is that the halter top exposed for the world to see that she'd darkened her face artificially because she not only didn't do her hands, she didn't do her shoulders.

Really, their whole mental affect is so screamingly obvious that it's astonishing how people keep playing ball with them.

It's also interesting that they received a far more quasi-royal reception outside the UK than in it.

People who were at the Manchester gig reported in to harrymarkle wordpress that the crowd was maybe 60 people, total; that reporters, including from the TIMES, were wandering around trying to work the crowd up to cheer so the journos could get good column; and that the mood was definitely NOT as it was in Dusseldorf.

Even walking into the venue in Manchester the two looked disheveled, wrinkled, with Harry's shirt coming out and a bit of muffin top showing. Oh, and staff at the Manchester venue insisted there were not Netflix people around filming.

They are, bizarrely, getting less and less attractive and appealing by the week. The podcasts are slipping down the ratings with every one.

It is a miracle that they're still getting people to play ball with them. They have the Windsor name to thank for that.

With each blunder it becomes more amusing how much money they must be paying people and then not listening to them. What a couple of fools

Prince Harry says that "showing respect and appreciation is as important as experiencing it". WTF?

Maybe he should demonstrate some "respect & appreciation" for his own family.

Here is the Hilary Rose column from The TIMES (UK) from yesterday.

You can see from the photo how dark Meghan's face is compared to her shoulders. Why, oh why, would she make it so obvious that she blacked herself up to look more ethnic?! Did she think it would play better in Manchester with its very large ethnic population?! Well, how did that work out for you, Meghan?

The UK press will not soon forgive or forget what Meghan said about the royal rota in that interview.

From the TIMES to the tabloids, they are going to impress upon the UK public just how awful the Sussexes are from now on, including even The Guardian.

They will never get decent press in Britain again. Why try it on?

[quote] What a couple of fools

Fools? Au contraire! Exceedling well-spent money that garners them vast daily print, social and TV media attention/coverage. Reinforcing that the only "fools" are their consumers.

I don't buy the any publicity is good publicity. Their coverage is majority critical now. Their consumers will be reduced to a rump of only the most marginal, desperate and dumb. There's not much money in that.

[quote] I don't buy the any publicity is good publicity.

You're not a narcissist. To a narcissist, ALL attention is good attention. As long as the focus is solely on them.

I still suspect that Meghan is not purchasing her clothes but getting loaners, which is why nothing is tailored to actually fit her.

And? A lot of people use Real Real and similar sites.

R157. She looks awful in them. And?

We know, but it's not because the clothes are "loaned," as you imagine.

The latest podcast doesn't seem to have created all that much buzz. and interest.

[quote]They live in California. The shallowest place on earth

Excuse us?

Those wrinkled pants. Ghastly. We dodged a bullet.

I don't think any publicity is good publicity. Narcissists want validation, admiration and praise.

Oh no, the Queen has been advised by her doctors to rest. A scheduled meeting of the privy council has been postponed.

R153 You're right on this point. They continue to exhibit a gift for getting themselves noticed.

But they want more than that. That won't fuel them, especially Meghan, for the next 30 years. They're basically striking whilst the iron is hot.

Saw an interesting article in Telegraph by someone who worked in the podcast business. Here it is (archived) and is listed as anonymous.

The piece is quite objective, offering praise and criticism of Meghan's podcasts. But the author's prediction is that the spot on the charts isn't money-making for Spotify, and that Spotify stands little to no chance of getting its money back. This is an ongoing problem with celebrity podcasts.

So, the bottom line is, why did Spotify agree to spend £16 on this?

It's an interesting look into the business itself, as well as to why Meghan's podcasts are bad.

I don’t understand the side boob tank top at a work function, and I won’t respond to it.

R152 that Hilary Rose article was delicious! Thanks for sharing

Ooooh, Big Willy should be SO afraid of Scooby!

How does that twat Scobie know anything about Big Willy?

R168 Every few weeks Scobie Doo points the finger at another member of the royal family: first it was Charles, then Camilla and now William. The guy is a certifiable liar and like Meghan got caught in court.

What's that phrase.... oh... useful idiot?

You know Meghan is going to claim William hit on her because he's the brother she wants to fuck.....

The before and after of Scooby's plastic face and body is astounding. He is on a parallel mental illness train with the Markles.

R169, Omid is jealous of [bold]Big Willy[/bold] because Omid's willy is only [italic]small[/italic].

What on earth did those morons think they were accomplishing with that story?

Fucking hell.

They make William look like man, a leader and king and themselves look like idiot children. The Queen is in her sunset, at best, and these fucking dirtbags. They're pigs.

At this point, I see both of them cutting their nose off to spite their face, and not attending the funeral for the queen (hopefully this won’t occur in the near future).

Can you imagine the drama?

Of course, I meant £16 million (not £16).

The Scobie article at the top of the DM now is quite interesting. It makes it obvious that the Sussexes are out for blood and this, in addition to the threatening remarks made by Meghan in her CUT interview, are part of their revenge campaign for how badly they think they were treated at the Jubly.

The comments are nearly wholly against Scobie and the Sussexes. No one take Scobie seriously because they all know he's the Sussex's mouthpiece.

The interesting bit is, though, why do the Sussexes think this is a good idea?

I can think of several different angles, viz. to wit: it's just pure spite; they're trying to goad the family into doing something active rather than passive so they can proclaim the whole thing over for real and head back to America having gotten their last bits of quasi-royal value in England; or, more intriguingly, they know the Queen and Charles have had it, action of some sort is in the pipeline, and the Sussexes are trying to get ahead of it.

That last is a recognisable tactic (Oh, we're so glad to have Frogmore Cottage instead of a grand flat in London - we don't want to bring up OUR kids in the goldfish bowl of Kensington Palace!) that they've used before.

In the meantime, the story has broken the evening before they're due to appear in London. Given how disliked they are are in Britain, are they trying to stir up supporters or egg on the protesters in order to gain more grist for their "racism of the English" mill (a mug's game given that London is less than 50% white British these days)?

Enquiring minds are wondering.

Holy shit....this is awesome...I wonder who wrote it? A member of the royal household?

No, that anonymous writer has podcast insider knowledge. It's a reasonable article - not out to slander Meghan Markle, without shying away from pointing out all the many mistakes she's making.

I don't think any member of the royal household is a professional podcast producer.

R174 What happened to Scoobs is that he had so much face work done, he became unable to have sex, because bits of his face would start melting off in the heat of passion.

"unprepared to unpack". That must have been a direct quote to Scooby from the queen of doublespeak herself.

R167 Pleasure.

R152

R182 - WTF does that phrase even mean?

Big Willy wasn't taking any of their shit? He didn't kiss their asses?

"Unprepared to unpack" . . . Jesus, a first-former planning to read Philosophy at Oxbridge.

It's a nearly as good as "Are you okay?"

With the Sussex's luck, the Queen will be raptured tonight and the Sussex's really will need armed protection at that event tomorrow to hold back the pitchforks and torches.

Scobby Do is hoping “unprepared to unpack” will land like “recollections may vary”

Fuck him and that scamming fake royal

r184, Meg speak is meaningless. Try to decipher it and "prepare to pack the painful moments" is still nonsense. All her speeches are full of this shit. Anyway, they've pivoted back to "EvilWilliam" and still don't take any responsibility for their own behaviours.

I can hear Tom Bower now, calling his publishers,, bawling "Stop the pressed AGAIN!"

^presses (not pressed)

It was recently alleged by IBITimes (not particularly a reliable source, I should add) that the family have had enough, and that Charles is consulting with The Lawyers about possible avenues of approach to go after Meghan, and that the family's appetite for stripping Harry of his title has recently increased along with a very public calling it quits and pulling the drawbridge up entirely, including cancelling the lease on Frogmore Cottage,, AND that William is the driving force behind the title removal push.

Perhaps this is why the sudden attack on William.

As I said elsewhere, there is a distinct aroma of more shoes dropping hanging about.

“Sussexes’”, then “Sussexes”, R186.

R186 Yeah if she dies while they are in the UK holy shit they stand being mobbed and treated like murders. I still think if the Queen dies while the Sussexes are still on the outs with the royals (very likely), they will be blamed by a chunk of the population in the UK (and maybe abroad) as hurrying the Queen to her grave most of us expected her to live past 100.

R193 *murderers...oh dear

r188 Always blaming other people, never taking responsibility for your own actions and failings and habitually playing the victim is quite common in people with personality disorders.

LOL now the Sussexes are claiming that they aren't being snubbed by the Cambridges, but had no interest in seeing them. Also, Harry is waiting for an apology from William for his part in the pair's "dark days" before they left the RF.

Unable to stop himself from digging his hole deeper, Omid Scobie jeers about the Cambridges' "modest home - with its Graeco-Roman marble fireplaces" - forgetting that his masters bleat about climate change from a home with 16 bathrooms, 9 bedrooms, a guest house, a pool, and acres of ground requiring huge amounts of water in a drought-stricken area.

He really is going to town, but the salient point is that he wouldn't be if he weren't on orders to do so from Meghan and Harry, who appear to have thrown caution to the wind. The question is, why? Everyone knows that Scobie is only saying exactly what Meghan tells him to say, that it's just mud-slinging on Meghan's behalf. They can't possibly think it helps the Sussex case in Britain, or that the rest of the journalistic community isn't filled with contempt for him.

One senses if this wholesale attack is a tacit admission by the Sussexes that they know it's over. They know the UK press has lined up to throw them to the lions after Meghan smeared the entire royal rota with a vicious lie, a piece of stupidity on a par with the Oprah interview. They know the reception in Manchester was tepid at best. They know when the Queen dies, William will be the driving force behind Charles, probably along with Camilla, whom Harry has also managed to alienate.

One also wonders if that isn't all they know - is a titles show about to drop?

Oh, its almost too good to be true ! Are H+M burning the bridges for real ??? How horrible they arent even remotely taking into account that the Queen is possibly not well. They couldnt contain their malice for a couple of weeks ?

R198 Generally whatever we hear from the Sussex camp means the opposite is true. Omid Scoobie Doo is saying that it's the Sussexes ignoring the Cambridges, so we know for sure that Will and Kate are the ones totally ignoring H&M.

Scobie is saying that William crossed multiple lines and the Harkles are waiting for his apology. What a crock of shit!

Contain their malice? The Harkles merchandized Philip's funeral wreath via press release at the moment his body left the church -- it's hard for me to imagine more loathesome behavior from a grandson. Despicable.

How damaged of a person must you be to actively try to make your grandmother's last years on Earth utterly miserable?

Someone, maybe it was Napoleon, said “When your enemies are destroying themselves, resist the urge to help.”

William and Kate don’t need to do anything, these dopes just keep digging that hole to oblivion.

I honestly won't be surprised if the second row Sussexes start hurling accusations at William of being sexually inappropriate with Meghan. Their depravity has no limits. I'm certain she will accuse her father of all kinds of unsavory things the moment he is pronounced dead. DV accusations are in Halfwit Harry's future when she's finished with him.

[quote] DV accusations are in Halfwit Harry's future when she's finished with him.

And "inappropriate behavior" with the children. That will garner huge media attention, hasten Harry's departure from the home and score Megs a far larger divorce settlement.

I suspect Harry has harbored bitter jealousy and resentment towards William since childhood. Not only was he Diana's favourite and had a close relationship with her, but youthful William was admired for how beautiful he was and dubbed "the most eligible man in the world" from age 18. Plus he clearly had a lot more brains than his behaviourally-challenged sibling.

I do not think TQ will be ringing in 2023 and then the curtains will really come down for the doomed duo.

Extinction burst. These two are getting no press for this tour. They know its over, really over. They are going to lash out more because they have nothing to lose.

And the more they lash out the more ridiculous they look, which is fun for us, r208

R208 I agree with your extinction burst theory, but in fact they get plenty of press here in the UK. Her podcasts, the unexpectedly horrible CUT interview, and the Manchrster and Dusseldorf events were covered in press here from The Spectator to the DM.

But all of it was bad press.

Even in Germany, for all the hoop-la and treating them as if they were official visiting royalty, the broad press coverage was surprisingly muted.

If they came for Netflix footage, it was mediocre at best. She looked dreadful in Dusseldorf, he looked glum inside in Manchester, and neither of their speeches were electrifying.

Her podcasts are slipping and according to the anonymous podcast expert in the Telegraph, Spotify is going to lose its money, because those rankings are not what bring in the money, it's affiliated market partnerships that do. And they didn't do that with these podcasts, and they were badly done, anyway.

America barely touched the quasi-royal tour.

The Cambridge kids' first day of school knocked Scobie's jibes and faux handwringing off the headline. No one believes him and by now he's probably as much a bad joke here as his handlers.

So, yes, I agree that they are feeling bitter and disappointed, and lashing out. But they did get plenty of press on this side. Unfortunately, all that press only showed that they're trying desperately to be something they aren't.

The irony is, it's also what they genuinely once were.

Megxit was the poster illustration of that old adage about being careful what you wish for.

Nothing to lose?! I'd say if you have a bazilllionaire father and a grandparent who look like they're knock-knock-knockin' on Heaven's door, you have plenty to lose!

^Shades of prophecy, what I jokingly said, that eith their gift for timing, the Queen would whilst they were hete, and they really would need armed protection against the pitchforks and torches?

BP just released a bulletin that due to concerns about her health, the Queen is under "medical supervision" but resting comfortably. And somewhat more ominous, that her immediate family as been informed.

Perfect timing, Sussexes and Scobie. Just perfect.

^*that the Queen would die whilst they were here

Their timing has always been spectacularly bad and here it is once again: theorizing in The Cut that Archie's daily school run in the UK would've been met with a phalanx of photographers and boom, a week later, here are the Cambridges arriving with their kids and the royal rota of three! members covers and shares it.

Christ, I hope they are wheels up before the Queen dies (if this is the end).

Now the question is whether they stay in the UK or jet back to LA to keep up with their schedule.

R216 Why wouldn't they? Do you think for a moment after Meghan's threats, and Scabies' Sussex planted attack the day before HM's death (the BRF know perfectly Scabies is Meghan's puppet) that they don't know that they wouldn't be allowed anywhere near official mourning?!

Prediction: the Queen's death will fuck up their money plans and their marriage. There will be NO appetite for anything ugly from these two - and what else do they do? - for a year, at least. That will cause tension in the marriage, drains on the finances... they are so fucked.

I agree with you completely R218. They really do have the worst luck with timing.

Fucking hypocritical Sussexs - blow me down if the family aren't letting them simonise their royal status by letting them anywhere near Balmoral - where Harry hasn't deigned to show his face since the day he married that lying bitch.

Like they give a shit about her, a day after on Meghan's orders Scobies spread more of her slime on the family, and two weeks ago Meghan was threatening the family.

I hope they get the dire looks they deserve up there.

R217

Saying it again: the Queen's death is the worst thing that could happen to them.

There will be no appetite for their bile for a year at least.

As if that old bag dying will muzzle ME and MY truth!

I hope these two vultures will have enough respect to not be filming them when the Queen is dying

We'll all have to recalibrate our thinking now that Harry is "son of the King".

I'm sticking with son of a bitch.

Colloquially. I quite liked Diana.

If its true Harry was invited weeks ago to visit the Queen at Balmoral and refused then he will have to live with that on his mind for the rest of his life.

Oh, Harry is probably reveling like a pig in shit that he moved up the line of succession. He is a sociopath.

He looks to me r227 to have a regretful face here.

She must be climbing the walls with fear the spell will break.

Regret? Or pissy because Megsy wasn't allowed to come?

r229 Or pondering if her recent blackmail of the royals in her The Cut interview will now go down well now the Queen has died.

r230 None of the other grandkids spouses went including Kate so he needs to get over himself. He has no legitimate reason to be angry about that.

This makes H+M even more pathetic now with her little bullshit threats. Harry can never release anything remotely critical now without coming off as the petty,spiteful brat he is. Thereby losing what shreds of a good rep he had left forever.Also ensuring he will get booed every time hes seen in public. Once again,H+M's timing is horrifically bad !

This death foils their plans yet again.

R224 - Recalibrate on several fronts. He's now 5th rather than 6th in line (although in practical terms it's meaningless), and his children, despite many posters here said it would never happen, are now HRHs in their own right. It's Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet. Ironic in view of the fact that their parents are not supposed to use those HRHs.

Next predictions: will Charles really slim down the monarchy by formally getting rid of Andrew and Harry?

What happens with Harry's "memoir" now? Is he relieved that he can spread more slim without worrying about Gran? Or will he be even more likely to come in for consequences from King Charles and Queen Camilla?

And, poor Tom Bower: American pub date less than a month away, how does he fit in Meghan and Harry spreading slime on the family up until the night the Queen dies, and the family reception of Harry as part of the mourning?

STOP THE PRESSES - AGAIN!

r233 Already too late for Harry's reputation to ever recover in my opinion.

Harry's actions over the past few years are going to haunt him for the rest of his life. Anything they try to put out is going to be even more tainted than before. Any comments made are not going to be met well. If they think the booing was bad before...just wait.

R237 I agree. It seems unlikely that anything they do now will be met with anything but finger-waggling, at best, except from their diehard lunatic squad.

But, in for a penny, in for a pound. They'll really have to plug on and tough it out if they want to be paid.

The whole thing is surreal.

The Mail twists the knife with this headline: Too late to say goodbye: Prince Harry raced to join other royals at Balmoral AFTER announcement of Queen's passing - while Meghan remained in London

We're dreadfully sorry, Meghan, but these matters are restricted to The Family You Never Had.

Gawd, do you think we'll all be treated to Scobie describing the wreath Meghan sends, where the flowers were sourced, and how she filled out the card with her own calligraphy, the way he did during Philip's funeral?

"And, I want to point out that particular wreath lying just a few metres away from Queen Margrethe of Denmark's flat tie-shoes . . ."

Although, it's entirely possible that with any shreds of concern about the Queen's reaction removed, the Harkles may just go full steam ahead after the funeral, figuring they have nothing to fear and, after all, Harry is now the King's son, not the Queen's grandson. Things could get worse for the BRF, rather than the Harkles - or it could go badly for both.

Charles has his work cut out trying to craft a response, given that Harry is his son. The counterweight will be the now more influential, higher ranking Double Duke William, future Prince of Wales.

Behind the scenes will be quite interesting, I'd give much to be a fly on the wall as Charles, William, Edward Young, and the other advisors sit down to discuss it.

My question is how long until we see Meghan in front of Buckingham Palace laying flowers?

r242 As they get more desperate yes they could play even dirtier but will the public believe them? I suggest most won't give a damn and find them boring.

[quote]My question is how long until we see Meghan in front of Buckingham Palace laying flowers?

Is there a convenience store near BP where she can also pick up some snacks for the bereaved? Doritos, soda and such. A bagel shop perhaps?

R245 LOL

Anyone know when the Royal website comes back up? Surely the gruesome twosome and Andy will be gone?

The beauty of it is that no matter what steps H+M take now its going to blow up in their faces regardless.They set themselves quite the little trap,havent they? The ONLY way this can be played is for them to be paragons of decorum,and we all know that shit isnt fixing to happen !

Black twitter has been trashing the Queen nonstop. Charming folks. They appear to hate white people as much as white racists hate them.

R247 Not. Without formal action, they will still be there. Harry will be in 5th position. And his two kids will be listed as HRH Prince Archie and HRH Princess Lilibet.

Everyone moves up a spot until either Meghan decidrs to have another kid just to spite Andrew, or until one of the Cambridge kids has its first kid.

Of course, they could beg Kate to have in vitro induced twins just to spite the Harkles . . .

Feeling is running high against Harry now--the queen was quite elderly but her death was comparatively sudden, no lingering illness like Philip's to give people time to adjust (and then it's sad but a relief that her pain is over, etc). But feeling was running VERY high against Camilla after Diana's death and eventually she was able to overcome that. It took at least a decade though.

Has there been any verification of Lady C.'s "bone cancer" claim?

Harry’s position reminds me a bit of Jane Fonda after her poorly judged photo opp in Vietnam. She has explained over and over, but the shadow remains. Harry’s actions over the past few years will follow him. Not Meghan, she’ll be long gone. Harry will have to live with the perception he stuck a knife in his elderly grandmother’s heart.

Why Jane Fonda though, and not Donald Sutherland who was right there with he?

^ her

good point R253

R254 Good question! Maybe he wasn’t as high profile? Maybe it was just misogyny.

R249, more. Wastes.

R254 because Sutherland's a Canadian not an American

[QUOTE]Prince Harry raced to join other royals at Balmoral AFTER announcement of Queen's passing - while Meghan remained in London

The reporting I read said that Wiliam, Andrew, Edward, and Sophie went up on the same RAF flight. There's a picture of William driving the group to Balmoral. Speaks volumes that Harry was in London and didn't share the flight. Too much discomfort and silence to pack into an hour long flight. And William and Andrew managed to sit next to each other for the drive.

They give the Oprah interview,Grandpa dies. Megs gives a snarky interview,Gram dies. Those bitches are poison ! Harry killed them both !

Prediction: By Monday some mouth organ leaks how cold hearted Royals took off without Harry.

When you think of it, should Harry even be there now? None of the other grandchildren are there that we've heard. Netflix opportunity? The cameras won't be allowed anywhere near Balmoral.

It's a stretch, but it's easy forget his father is now king.

Dear Haz,

How did attacking your family, especially your father and brother, but mentioning how much you love your granny, work out as a game plan?

When is the reading of the will?

R251 Harry is possibly redeemable but only if he ditches the wife.

He can't ditch Meghan without losing the children. Their divorce would make Brangelina look civil.

R224 I think being the grandson of Her Majesty was more prestigious in its way. He's still the same troublesome doofus.

Now that those kids have their HRHs, it would not surprise if Meghan hasn't begun to plot her exit.

I hate the wife beater picture of her for archetypes. Wife beater is not a look unless you are a bad is bitch male rapper.

HRH status only matters in the UK. 2 genetically selected ginger kids running barefoot in a chicken coop in Montecito? No.one.cares.

Why did Harry refuse the invitation to Balmoral, assuming there was one?

R273 Because he wants total submission and acquiescence from his grandmother, father and brother. That they publicly debase themselves and apologize profusely for every single one of the wrongs Harry perceives was done to him. Of course along with a giganto financial incentive. And after all that will it be enough for Harry? Will Harry finally stop being a tantruming little boy, grow up and assume a modicum of adult behavior/responsibility? Fuck NO!

Guesses to R273 question:

Probably feeling humiliated (and angry) due to the quick meeting with the Queen before Invictus (where Harry complained about the Queen not having the right kind of people around her). And then they were not allowed to have their photographer take a picture of the Queen and Lilibet. These things were pretty recent so probably they're still fuming.

But we'll likely know for sure if they were even invited to Balmoral. They put out lies all the time - and the other BRF don't talk about it. But that blown kiss to Kate at the Jubly was HUGE! And not even a glance over to the cheap seats on row 2 behind Prince Edward and even lessers. So hurt pride? Fear of being embarrassed or humiliated at Balmoral as well?

There's been more ouchies from the Harkles since this summer - the rota using the N word on their children ?!? I can't imagine it would be a comfortable experience meeting up. And now it's on Harry to face all these people and the witch behind it all is relaxing by herself, and no doubt continuing to scheme.

* we'll likely NEVER know for sure if they were invited to Balmoral...

I don’t think they were invited. It’s just another one of their PR stunts, “We were invited but turned it down until they apologize for being mean to us”, but it backfired because the queen died. Harry and Megs continue to have the worst timing on the planet.

Everybody (who mattered to the Queen) must have been aware of her fragile state.

Have Harry and Meghan there would have been enormously stressful and unpreditable. I find it hard to believe that her doctors (and closest family) would allow her to endure that.

And the amount of lies the Harkles and Scobie spew... why on earth should we believe anything they say - or may have put in the press. The Queen was simply not able to handle the highly-charged situation - that she just had struggled with when they had the meeting before Invictus and the Lilibet/picture thing in the middle of her struggling to keep up with Jubly events.

* Having Harry and Meghan there...

Narcissists, sociopaths and abusers expect and demand apologies from their victims. They also grandly talk about "forgiving" their victims. It's infuriating to the victims and often provokes a defense response which is the goal, to change the narrative. The discussion is no longer what the perpetrator did in fact do, but what the victim is now being accused of doing in an attempt to deflect.

Remember Meghan said in the Oprah interview she "forgave" Kate? LOL.

Now halfwit Harry is saying he and his harridan expect apologies from William.

Lord, I'm still stunned that my joke wayyyy above proved real: the Queen dies on the eve of the Sussex big London event and right after Meghan and Harry attack the family again via Omid Scobie, and her podcast and interview.

You couldn't make it up.

What happens now with Harry's memoir? If he's watching the world's reaction, does he still think trashing the family with "bombshells" right after the Queen's death and his father's warm reception a good idea?

If the Harkles have half a functional brain cell between them, they would realise that this event represents a very public turning of the page of history.

They would be well advised to turn that page themselves.

If Harry were smart (he isn’t), he would start making amends and stop criticizing the family that supports him. The efforts to monetize their notoriety and titles has failed miserably and there are few opportunities in the future. They are going to run out of money, sooner rather than later.

This article answers a few questions - Harry is most definitely OUT. And his harridan most unwelcome.

There was no "question" of Harkle status. We saw it with our own eyes at the Jubilee. Daily Beast are sussex cheerleaders who characterize Megxit as a "feud."

Whether she is capable of seeing it from anyone else's perspective, Markle must be under high stress on some level? She knows everything that has gone on, she knows the truth of it (whatever it may be) and now she's looking at days and days of potential hours and hours spent in the company of people who she likely knows privately despise her and about whom she has given two notorious interviews.

She's surely walking a tightrope? Gotta keep her game face on, gotta get through the boredom, gotta cope with the fear of being booed in public and most, gotta figure out how to keep Harry in line. You know they've got nothing to do but read their phones all day... they know what is being said. Harry's probably torn... the family he has these complex feelings about is coming together all around him and he's on the fringe while the life he knew is totally on game and he's on the fringes. Does he ever look at her and wonder if he's being played? Would he rather be at Balmoral in mourning than stuck at Frogmore, scrolling? I know many people theorize he's as content at war as she is but death and loss... they confuse.

It's going to be ten looooooong days for her.... so much could destabilize.

I just saw a Bethenny Frankel rant against Meghan on TikTok. The content is quite stunning.

Safe to say that the entertainment world has turned on Meghan completely, right? Bethenny is a savvy opportunist--I doubt she'd go after Meghan with such ferocity if she thought she suffer meaningful consequences for doing so.

Charles has officially designated William and Catherine as Prince and Princess of Wales. Suck it, Suxxesses!

Oh, and Charles sent his love to Harry and Meghan "as they build their life overseas", i.e., an understated way of letting everyone who is so interested that these two are out, out, out.

R288 yes, perfectly phrased. He had to say something about them. The palace has played this perfectly--making grey rocking an art form.

"Harry and Meghan"...he didn't even call them by their (current) titles.

"Today I am proud to create him Prince of Wales."

Meanwhile, at Frogmore institution

Has someone asked Meghan if "she's okay"?

I think I know!

Lol maybe Charles is hinting at the titles being taken away.

Also, that’s the Frogmore HOUSING UNIT!!!

Thanks, R293. I don't know why I was thinking of prison or the nuthouse.

Frogmore Institution is quite fitting considering its occupants.

R288 Yup, didn't refer to them by their titles and very regally told us they may be part of his family but they no longer have a future in the monarchy.

I think a big part of their departure was they got carried away with #BLM and #MeToo and figured they'd embody all that social justice and feminism, and ride that wave to riches and glory.

Lawdy Mae but Charles dumped a shit ton of shade on their asses !

Charles didn't even call William and Kate by their current titles, r290.

No, he didn't r299, Charles didn't shade them and no way would he use this address to shade anyone.

William is King Charles' heir. Charles gave William the titles he held as the late Queen's heir. That's it. There was nothing else going on in his address.

He didn't mention the siblings still serving, either. If he shaded them it was almost by including them. They added a line so there wouldn't be a tantrum, but he was speaking about his immediate family (his wife and his heir) in the context of having assumed the throne and the work of the monarchy. He could have not mentioned them, since they have nothing to do with it and are not a part of it any more, but tantrums would be thrown, leaks would seep, time would be wasted mopping up. So better to deny them them something specific to moan about.

I saw no shade in that speech. There will absolutely be no drama until after the queen is buried. Everyone has been told to play nice—or else.

I pay my respects to Queen Elizabeth II, one of the countless women inspired and empowered by my work.

^ LOL

Meghan has wisely canceled her speaking, and talk show engagements, and delayed the podcast this week. They have to sense the shit will hit the fan if they put a foot wrong right now. After the funeral will they do they same remains to be seen. It's got to kill her she can't swan about the media in mourning wear, telling all who would listen how close their bond was.

Has she put the waffle iron Gan-Gan supposedly sent Archie on ebay yet?

Starting bid 500k.

Why the fuck would Jimmy Fallon have Meghan on??

Podcast promotion crap, set up by her PR most likely. I wonder if she is going to record a very special episode in honor of the queen, and just talk about herself for 45 minutes.

Do you all remember in the events leading up to the announcement of the queens death, when The Daily Mail, and other outlets had reports of Meghan, and Harry on their way to Balmoral? This is why Harry was so late arriving. He was fighting to have Meghan go, or more likely Meghan was screaming at Harry to be included.

Can't imagine that Meghan was keen to head up to Balmoral. If she thought their reception at the Jubilee was chilly, she's in for a whole new level for freeze-out.

Who the fuck is paying so much to promote this boring cunt?

She's doing talk shows and the UN again?

She will never, never, never happen.

She needs to go the Jessica Alba route. Now there’s a mouth-breathing skank who made good.

Develop some cheesy products the plebes can afford. Chill the fuck out and keep a low profile.

NO MORE TALKING.

I bet if Meghan wasn't in the picture, Kate would have gone to Balmoral with William, Andrew, Edward and Sophie - but she was probably told that she needed to stay at Windsor so they could use that to convince Harry/Meghan that it wasn't appropriate for Meghan to go.

And now, Meghan can complain that she wasn't good enough to go with the family because they don't accept her in the family - and she could either claim that that's why Kate was told to stay home - or that Kate needed to stay because of her children but that excuse didn't apply to her. Could be part of a podcast: this is proof that they hate me because I'm black!

The last thing in the world MM would have wanted would have been to go to Balmoral and face H's family. She's be lucky to get out of there alive. I am sure it was Harry who wanted her there so he wouldn't have to deal with them alone, with their inevitable accusations that he killed the queen with his behaviour.

I agree she probably wouldn't want to be there, though people like her are so brazen, I'm not sure. Any attention is better than being excluded.

But whether she did or not - she might still use the exclusion as an example of how she's been mistreated. Sophie's a daughter-in-law so that sorta makes sense that she was included -- but it still might burn (or Meghan could claim their excuse of blood family only is obviously fake)

She would have been met by icy glares. And there would not be any cameras. She would have just stared out the windows.

I don't believe Harry wanted to go to Balmoral at all, but that he was talked or shamed into going. He wouldn't even go there in August when HM was living and he was invited.

Neither Harry nor Meghan have any interest in dealing with the realities of the world. They live in their own little world of their imagination, where they are the stars.

I was hoping the Queen would reach her own mother's age, so this is all quite sad ....

And now I read at R305 that we'll be missing an almost guaranteed Jimmy Fallon appearance disaster? Would she have tried to be sexy/coy, or serious/I'm-coming-for-Joe-Rogan's crown? In any case, it would've been The Cut interview live. A real pity for us snarky bitches.

[quote] The last thing in the world MM would have wanted would have been to go to Balmoral and face H's family.

Megs has so compartmentalized her life, kept her disparate marks as far apart as possible, so that she would never be confronted with or be subjected to any negativity over the consequences of her behavior/actions. She will only appear publicly in situations where she has total control of the narrative. She will only go near the Royal family when Harry is there to "protect" her, deflect any confrontation.

[QUOTE]Sophie's a daughter-in-law so that sorta makes sense that she was included

It more than sorta makes sense. Sophie is said to have been very close to the Queen. She visited often pre-pandemic and they'd have dinner on trays while watching TV. That's as close as anyone gets to the Queen.

Had the children been older, I suspect Kate would have accompanied William. He'd probably want her support. Kids 9, 7, and 4 need a comforting parent to explain what's happening. They were in the middle of the school day and the oldest would have picked up something was amiss.

From Camilla Tominey at The Telegraph today: While William flew up at his father’s behest – for constitutional as well as familial reasons – The Telegraph has learnt that Harry was not summoned, but took the decision to travel to Scotland after Buckingham Palace announced that the Queen was under medical supervision following doctors’ concerns.

And at that point, R319, it has been reported that Charles was on the phone with Harry for half an hour telling him not to bring Meghan. That, more than the single add-on line in his speech, is proof to me they’ve had enough of H&M. The incremental distancing will continue.

Any word what the gruesome twosome are doing for the next ten days or so? Will one or both of them fly back to the kids in California? They can’t go walkabout - Royal Mourning. Plus the ever-present booing. No Balenciaga unless it’s black. And what’s the point of couture let alone attention when the focus is elsewhere on someone else? Who will they talk to, let alone who’ll pay for all that extra security necessitated by the extended stay in the UK? They may need some if the public thinks they contributed to his grandmother’s death by their behavior the last couple of years. Will Meg be satisfied with the reduced roles they’ll have at the funeral? Will she dress like Kermit again for attention?

Media exposure is like oxygen for her. How long can she do without it, whether in the US or the UK? And yet, if she tries pulling the focus from the Queen now, the next wake will be the one for her future.

Surely her future has been settled at this point?

I mean, what can you do, but imagine the two of them stuck in the UK, seething but excluded? God knows what happens next.

Once again, they run up against bad timing. Meg was on a bit of a roll with the podcast, the interview, the trip with its speeches and appearances.....and then the selfish Queen fucks it all up by dying.

R307, I would have thought she would go on James Corden's show first since he is a Brit and is based in California.

Maybe Harry and Meghan have business ties with NBC Universal somehow.

The articles about KC (King Charles) spending half an hour telling Harry he was not to bring MM with him to Balmoral tell us everything we need to know about the future. MM will not be allowed any contact whatever; she has been designated a bio-hazard.

A reporter on that Daily Mail video vlog on youtube about the royal family (it's called "Daily Mail Royals") - anyway, he said the Queen was in a great deal of pain on Tuesday when she met with Johnson and Truss.

I'm not a doctor but I don't think heart failure causes a chronic pain type situation (heart attacks are painful but she wouldn't go ahead with meeting them if she had a heart attack - she'd be getting emergency care). That comment about the extreme pain lends credence to the rumor she had end stage cancer - I believe Lady C said "bone cancer". You can still do quite a lot, like get about a bit and with a lot of pain meds, manage to talk, even smile.

But I guess we'll probably never know. Still, it's quite a tribute that she soldiered on to do her duty meeting the departing and new pms.

Of course The Duchess of Doritos wanted to go. Narcissists and sociopaths don't suffer from embarrassment or shame. To her it would have been fuel to feed how important she is. It would also have provided her interaction with the BRF she could later spin into more lies about how mistreated she was. It was a missed reconnaissance mission for her.

She probably would have arrived with cheap convenience store snacks for the bereaved Uvalde style. Chips, soda, bagels, maybe some deli meats if she was feeling particularly generous.

The two of them really have extraordinary bad luck with their timing.

Covid put a damper on their big debut as runaway royals in the US, and now this happens in the middle of their big media blitz. Granted, it wasn't going smoothly, but she at least had the (kind of fake) "number one podcast on Spotify", and the pics from Europe might've drowned out The Cut interview fiasco.

Now all PR is off indefinitely, and they can't even do any high-profile mourning after all her carping and his failure to go see Granny while she was still alive.

I hate to be so cynical, but this may be a bit of luck - Harry's book would still be interesting at this point if he took out anything mean and beefed up the parts about being with his grandmother - any anecdotes about her, whatever he can remember (and embellish) from his time with her, would give the book more oomph than it would have. had otherwise. But maybe only if he hurries up and changes it and gets it out.

But when have they done the prudent thing? She's going to want to play up that phone call when Charles told Harry Meghan was not welcome at Balmoral because it had already been announced, via Scobie, that they were going together. Her feelings would have been hurt by the half-hour phone call when Charles told Harry that Meghan was NOT to come. Sure, Kate stayed home, but she had children and that's different than father-in-law making a big deal about not wanting you around.

The Sussexes, if they want to retrieve any public credibility, have to step very carefully for awhile. Omid Scobie shit all over the royal family, in particular the new Prince of Wales, the night the Queen was dying.

Harry's visible exile from the family won't do him any favours, either, as the world pours on tributes to the woman he and his wife stabbed in the back, and the new King gets off to a very good start.

The fact that that bitch hadn't the grace to know that she belonged nowhere near the blood family's intimate first shock of grief, especially after the last three weeks of spewing more bile their way, is staggering.

The only reason Sophie was there was because the Queen loved her like a daughter.

And, as we know, "daughterhood" isn't one of Meghan's strong points.

Hmmm how did the papers learn that Prince Dimwit was told that Dumbass was not welcome? I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.

“i-source news@iso” According to our source, Meghan is hardly talking to Harry following Balmoral fiasco. “She feels humiliated and belittled,” said the source on condition of anonymity, “Meghan went berserk when told only Harry could go. She had been getting ready for hours.” *MEGHAN AND HARRY HARDLY TALKING – SPENT THE NIGHT IN SEPARATE BEDS” According to our source, the Balmoral fiasco has ruined it for the couple. “Meghan had thought she was going and got ready, only to be told she wasn’t welcome,” said the source. “She then flew into a rage at Harry.

“GOING FROM BAD TO WORSE FOR HARRY AS MEGHAN THREATENS TO LEAVE”

iSource has learned that the couple are at odds over a number of matters. The confusion over Balmoral has brought everything to a head. Meghan has now gone to war, even against Harry. “Meghan is refusing to let go of it. She hit Harry pretty good when he returned, saying she would leave if humiliated further at the funeral.”

“CRISIS MEETINGS”

Meghan’s team is meeting in LA and virtually with her in England. “We’re trying to navigate her out of this mess the best way we can but serious damage has already been done,” a participant who asked their identity not be reveal.

(instagram markle-news-1)

I’ve got all the BBC coverage on, and once again I’m struck by the thought of how valuable a role Meghan could have played particularly with regard to the commonwealth. Such a shame.

Gee. At some point you have to wonder if you may have made some poor choices when you're told to keep your wife away from the family during such a sorrowful time.

Imagine being Charles and your beloved mother has just died, you are now the new King, you have to focus on many constitutional procedures in addition to family grief and within the first hours of it all you have to spend 30 minutes on the phone with your angry irrational son telling him that his insane wife is not welcome. Can you imagine.

In an ordinary family, it would not be unusual for a wife to accompany her husband to his dying grandmother's bedside but it just goes to show how out of touch MM is to think she'd be included after her interviews and comments.

Did Charles have the phone call after the Queen died - or while she was on her deathbed (and only he and Anne were there)?

Prince William personally invited Harry and Meghan to join him and Kate to outside Windsor to see the floral tributes to the late Queen. If Harry & Meghan are smart they will grab this olive branch and run with it, but when have they shown good judgment.

I watched the footage. They had to go with them because no one would boo them that way. It rankles that after all Meghan has done to dismantle the Queen's legacy, now she gets to be comforted by the British public as their Princess?

OMG! And it was big news that they were staying a few mere yards apart but didn't plan to meet up while the Harkles were in England. Poor Kate - really taking one for the team if this happens because Meghan hates her with all the heat of the sun - and likely even more now that she's got Diana's title Princess of Wales.

R338 - the four of them went together? Do you have a link? (sorry to be lazy but I'm not good at tracking things down - it's probably a DM thing lol)

You can tell how uncomfortable Meghan is in this clip, she keeps playing with her hair. Kate is not giving her the time of day and pay her no mind. Love it!

GOOD!

R339

[quote] Do you have a link?

See link at R337 for footage.

Holy shit! Hell hath frozen over!

Found it!

Oh and then I saw your post R342.

I'm just in shock the foursome is reunited ahem.

Prince William again showing why the monarchy is in good hands. Being the bigger man and doing what he know his granny would've wanted. Thank god William was born first!

Meghan looks sooooo uncomfortable. I LOVE it!!!

”...Maybe the death of Granny will/is showing Harry that life is too short to allegedly get physically attacked, shit thrown at you, and screamed at all the time. Everything I hear is that she is physically violent with him and I don’t think he reciprocates in kind. Also remember Thomas Markle told him never to lay a hand on her? Well I’m told that is because when Meghan divorced Trevor, she told Doria he was physically abusive (when really it was the other way around), and Doria told TM Sr that was the reason for the divorce. Anyway, Harry is a prick, and he will never repair the trust he has lost with his family. But no one deserves what he is putting up with. I hope, above all, that he gets out.”

(poster on a message board that claims to have a relative in LA show business)

Little boys all the way along calling out for William. It's adorable. What a great role model for them.

LOL, from the Mail: "I'll be honest there was a little bit of a groan when Harry and Meghan came down our side, but I passed him a bunch of flowers and he was happy to take them. "

That's about the best they can hope for. Whatever magic they had is tainted, or diminished. (In thinking people, her band of cyberthugs obviously swallow anything. No disrespect to sex workers.)

Meghan was understandably treated with coolness by the crowd, from what I could see. She's lucky the crowd is being reserved.

The mask slips a bit here.

People in the crowd refused to shake Meghan's hand.

I'd say that was more than a bit

The lady is blue is what she'll remember.

“I told them I’d place them over there as soon as I’m done. Thank you, I appreciate it.”

Guess she doesn’t like having things grabbed out of her hands.

R352 and R353 those clips are priceless. The first one—where she snaps at the aide—I feel like we’ve uncovered a very important piece of historical evidence to support all the DL claims against this creature since the Dangling Tendrils threads.

Grabbing things out of people’s hands is a Markle trademark.

It is also one of the rudest things you can do. It’s also a very California behavior. Californians would also rather physically shove past you than say a simple “excuse me” and wait for you to move. I blame their Okie heritage.

Anyway, I feel like we’ve seen this grubby body language from Markle before.

I am no fan but i saw a nervous (guilty conscience?) person who doesn't know the form, isn't comfortable and feels exposed.

It wasn't just the lady in blue. Four in a row snubbed her and savoured it.

Once again William saves his younger brother's ass. If H&M had even attempted to meet the crowds alone, they would've been booed and met with hostility. Going out with W&C deflated that possibility. Meghan discomfort comes in part with probably just being worried she might be booed, and I also think that maybe she's also waking up to the reality her plans are going up in flames. The royals are, once again, out pacing H&M by extending olive branches and telling the public we're working on things. If Meghan were smart, she'd give up the victim game and pretend everything is fine with the royals now. I doubt she'll be smart enough to figure this out.

Harry's wearing lifts on that walk-about with The Prince and Princess of Wales. No way he's William's height normally.

Meghan's dress makes her look like a witch. Just put the pointed hat on Megs and show your truth.

Harry walks like a douche.

William and Kate = flawless.

" If H&M had even attempted to meet the crowds alone" - They wouldn't have been able to, r360. It wouldn't be an official walkabout (it would be a fake royal walkabout, like their fake royal tour) and they wouldn't have had any security.

Markle is still doing her hip-swinging catwalk walk. (Can see it in the long shot where they’re walking up from the car.)

In fairness, R363, her shoes usually don't fit.

The Sussex and Wales thread was poofed.

Testing

Now the rumor is Meghan is pregnant, and wanting to pressure "friends" to leak the new for her. It's on CDAN so take it with a bucket of salt.

In the clip where she’s snapping at the aide, she is infantile emough where she wanted to be sure she was amply photographed with bouquets in her arms, like it’s some sort of popularity contest in her mind. See??? I have flowers too!

If Meg was dumb enough to frame her relationship with the Princess of Wales as a popularity contest, then all her current mental suffering is nobody's fault but her own. Kate has won, and won irrevocably.

She does look witchy today. Surprised she wasn't wearing her usual hooker heels.

I'm very curious to hear what the "whopper" she pulled today that Lady C. referred to is.

That's not an "aide" -- he's the Wales' PR guy. Wrong person to yell at, Sparkles.

[quote]Harry walks like a douche.

Wearing lifts takes practise. He walks like he's trying to keep his balance on stilts!

Harry went for Meghan because he thought having a glamorous actress wife would allow him to one-up William.

And I wish it had worked out that way.

Kate sets my teeth on edge. I don’t dislike her, but she’s just a cosseted housewife who’s never worked. Her big life achievement is not eating. It’s so regressive and a terrible example for young girls.

But I suppose someone has to be the brood mare.

Look at Catherine's legs, r373. Those are not the calves and thighs of an anorexic.

One can be preoccupied with dieting without being anorexic.

Does no one remember our moms in the 70s?

Kate was much fuller figured at University. Weighing thirty pounds less at 40 and after three kids (than one did at age 20) doesn’t happen in absence of extreme dedication / preoccupation.

RUMOR ROUND-UP: Royal Funeral Edition!

1. Meghan is wanting friends to leak she is pregnant, so she can later claim the family stressed her out so much she has a miscarriage.

2. Meghan, made aware by Harry of The Queen's death at 2:30pm-ish (UK Time) called her PR people in LA minutes later, to scoop for their arrival at Balmoral before the press embargo lifted.

3. Meghan, and Harry through the media, and prior death announcement, announce their intentions to rush to Balmoral, so they can get a photo op, and "DEATH BED!" made-up statements from the Queen, to peddle to the media.

4. Harry was the reason the RAF flight with William, Edward, Andrew, and Sophie was delayed an hour on the tarmac.

5. Charles, hinting he was going to take the Sussex title back, because he said "Harry and Meghan" during his speech.

6. Meghan, and Harry planned to do their own royal walk about, and informed US media outlets. William caught word of it, and organized the impromptu Wales/Sussex appearance to squash their plan.

7. Kate pushed William to have the appearance with a 45 minute notice so Meghan wouldn't have enough time to get ready, and thus look like shit.

8. Meghan has "meltdown" and "let's the mask slip" at an aid during the walk about.

9. Meghan will try to have Doria at the funeral/Doria is flying over with Archie, and Lilli

10. Archie and Lilli will/won't have titles

11. Meghan, and Oprah are scouting churches to have a televised memorial for The Queen.

The wild rumors are the best part of this!

LOL those are all plausible, except for #11. I can't imagine Oprah is going to put herself out there again for the Sussex Lie Factory.

I still say that doctor traveling with them is part of some PR stunt (miscarriage) or some expert witness who will testify in court that the UK not providing them with paid security has damaged their health.

Think she will try to fan BLM with a little help from her friends.

R377 Thanks for the roundup. Here's a first sorting through:

1) The Sussexes are still a problem.

2) Charles is trying to keep the surface of things calm and willing to throw a couple of bones the Sussex's way to do so, like expressing his "love" for both of them, when he wouldn't even look at either of them in St Paul's a couple of months ago, but making it clear that contrary to extensive rumours, they are OUT.

3) Kate, now Princess of Wales, with a father in law approaching 75 and therefore one step from the throne, isn't any longer the total team player and made no bones of expressing her distaste for Meghan and Harry by keeping a noticeable distance from them except for moments when it wasn't possible, like getting in and out of the car.

4) Meghan has no intention whatsoever of restraining her impulse to get herself into the centre of attention.

5) Harry and Meghan don't look deeply in love, but instead like two people sticking to a script they've played too many times, but don't know how to rewrite - he is still being treated like a toddler by Meghan; one day she's going to put her hand on his back in public and Harry will have placed a fart cushion under his jacket.

6) Charles isn't likely to do anything that would rock the boat right now.

But . . .

"I'm gonna wait till after the coronation, and then I'm gonna settle all the family business."

7. Kate pushed William to have the appearance with a 45 minute notice so Meghan wouldn't have enough time to get ready, and thus look like shit.

Too funny.

We need to start doing rumor roundups for all their zany appearances. It seems they always spawn a ton of them every time they do something. Aside from the outright crazy ones, all the ones grounded near reality seem to come to pass at some point. Are they THAT transparent, or are they just prolific in leaking? Discuss!

I also forgot to add; Harry is rumored to be having a revelation as to his marriage to Meghan, and releasing the book. The story goes, that The Cut interview, and it's enigmatic statements by Meghan about talking/not talking, and NDAs were actually aimed at Harry. They are said to be on the rocks, and The Queens death has sped up his feelings of wanting to leave. Harry does not want to release it, and his grandmother's death cemented it for him. Meghan on the other hand, always painted as the shrew, is alleged to be pushing him to do it in order to ride the funeral publicity wave. It's also why she hinting about finding the journal, and writing a memoir. However, her timing for release will be the divorce publicity wave.

Another part of this is that is why Harry wanted to keep the lease on Frogmore Cottage. He wanted a place to ferret the children to, because if he divorces her, she can't afford to keep the Montecito house. I don't even know why that would be a thing, because a judge would likely order him to help pay for the upkeep. I honestly don't think they will separate anytime soon. They screwed up so bad, they just have each other at this point. Either way, we will get drama, and theatrics from whatever they do. I'm curious to see how well they behave at the funeral. Those two stunt queens, can't resist trying to steal the spotlight.

Who will The Duchess of Perpetual Victimhood air her grievances to when she returns from overseas?

She will have two weeks worth of imaginary mistreatment to unpack and spin, spin, spin.

Sunny Hostin and that new girl were blathering on about how the BRF treated Meghan so horribly. Perhaps Meghan will join the ladies of The View for a very special Hot Topics since they are so sympathetic to her contrived case.

R384 It sounds like bullshit, but on the off. hence that it's got legs, I hope they have the moral fibre to let a decent interval elapse after the funeral and coronation before dropping it

Because otherwise, DL will implode. I really don't think we can survive through the funeral, and the coronation, also dealing with a Sussex split and the fallout and the 50 threads going to 600 posts in an hour.

Harry has curried favor with the Sussex Squad of lonely and bitter black women crossing over from black twitter. Harry has to have been shocked by their vicious attacks on the Queen. He patrols social media religiously to find somebody to sue. I think he must be appalled at what Meghan has wrought. Black twitter's vendetta against the Queen herself must have surprised him: he thought they supported only the Queen and Harry. Seeing people posting that they hope she had an excruciating death has got to hurt him deeply on some level. Meghan was no doubt delighted.

Don't worry R386. I'm sure they will try to keep up appearances until after the coronation. This might be Meghan's last chance to be loaned a tiara. She won't want to miss that photo-op. Speaking of, why has Harry not just bought her one? I see them at auction a lot, most have no provenance so they go for "cheap" as far as those sorts of things go.

Can I ask a question to the collective minds on here re Harry and Meghan’s obsession with security? I asked on another thread but it seems to be closed. it kind of reminds me of something Katie Holmes said while she was married to Tom- he has been widely discussed as pretty much a textbook narcissist - that when she went out looking good (in a skirt is what she said, which stuck with me because I never thought she had particularly good legs) Tom would always check “do you have security?” The implication being that she looked so awesome she needed armed guards. Is this Sussex unending need for round the clock security based on affirming their feeling of being important? Is that it? A bodyguard for a Montecito school run? (I lived there for 4 years and it’s ab as sleepy, insular and rich a town as you can imagine) Was Harry always like this? I think this all comes since he married her. It’s her feeding this right? I know someone who used to do bar crawls with Harry at Mahiki and random pubs.. He hated security. Is this a narcissist thing?

R389 it's nothing to do with actual security. Senior members of the Royal family like Heads of State, Heads of Government, are considered Internationally Protected Persons - they get all sorts of perks all over the world: free locally provided security, VIP chauffeuring through airports, etc. Cutting in line basically and getting freebies. That's what Harry lost and what he wants. If you're an IPP the local government has to foot the bill for security and various other goodies. It would save Harry a lot of money to be an IPP and that's what he's trying to get.

During their short stay in Canada, the Canadian taxpayer footed the bill for their security. They abused the security officers using them as gofers to pick up their groceries, run errands, walk their dogs, etc. The security officers complained and Trudeau got mad.

It’s beyond perks, r390. No one wants an international incident happen on their soil. The perks count, but really pale in comparison to preventing a nut from taking out a VIP for whatever reason. But security should NOT be used as gofers. They have an incredibly difficult job to do as it is.

Tbh, Harry needs security—there are plenty of nutty people out there, and if the government doesn’t pay for it, he’ll have to fork over the bucks.

What you mean START doing rumor roundups? We been at it since 2017, dear

Thank you r390

There seem to be bubbling up rumors of physical fights - or rather Meghan physically attacking Harry and him, so far, not responding. The first main one I remember was in New York when she was furious he wouldn't argue more forcefully about her getting up there with him for the UN speech. Supposedly the source were hotel staff hearing it and seeing the disheveled room after.

Then the knock-down drag-out fight when she was told she couldn't come to Balmoral on the day the Queen died - and thus, the delay (and 30 minute phone call with Charles who put his foot down)

Then the fight between them that supposedly resulted in scratches on Harry's face and Meghan's finger being taped up (broken nail or bruised finger tip?) You can see that on her holding some flowers (unless it's photoshop) Anyway, that was just a couple days ago, before the walkabout, that another rumor said it was meant to be either William and Catherine - or those two plus Harry but no Meghan, but then the 30 or 45 minute heated phone call.

I think I'm missing a couple - but these rumors comes with the Amber-Heard like claims of her going all the way - throwing things, hitting him, scratching him, screaming at him....

Maybe all that is bullshit but anybody that knows anything about domestic violence, whatever gender the perpetrator is, knows that it almost always escalates, rather than turns out to be a one-off kind of thing.

I really hope Tom Bower can include this in an updated version of the book

Well, Harry's little statement rather puts paid to those divorce rumours, doesn't it?

It's clear those two palm trees are still joined at the bottom.

Much as I despise the Harkles, it has to be said that without the media they claim to despise, they couldn't have pulled off turning the Queen's death into an appearance that dwarfed the paltry little quasi royal tour this was supposed to be.

The media have not exercised the slightest bit of self-control. They look as bad as the Harkles do.

Reading the comments in the DM and Express and Telegraph, 99.9% of which are negative toward the Suusexes, it seems clear that William is getting all the credit here 6or bring noble, mature, and statesmanlike.

As always, despite wrenching a few moments to bask in this Glorious Sun of Windsor to cushion their Summer of Discontent, they're still coming out looking intensely unlikable. And, in contrast, yet again, making William and Kate look good.

It's just too bad that this time they're doing it over the Queen's bones.

Which divorce rumours, r397?

Have you ever heard the phrase, "Methinks thou dost protest too much?"

R399 And hast thou ever heard the phrase, go fuck thyself?

^Awww..somebody touched a nerve..Breathe deep, microdose, get on the bong, & don't forget the Grey Goose.

^One prefers gin to vodka. One's response stands. And thou art blocked.

R396 I don't think an "update" will suffice at this point.

Starting from those podcasts and The CUT interview, the booing in Manchester, and this, he probably needs to write a Second Edition.

Oh, how I love you, R400! Posts like yours are the very heart and soul of this benighted little corner of the internet.

I am enjoying these posts in Olde Englysh. Mayhap we shouldeth all post thus.

Harry cannot be unaware of all the vicious attacks coming from black twitter about his Granny. Absolutely vile. He must be rethinking the bunch he has thrown his lot in with.

Throw his lot in with blacks? Is that what you mean r406?

Sussex Squad is made up of crossovers from black twitter. Meghan certainly never threw her lot in with blacks as she avoided any contact with black people throughout her life.

Like there haven’t been attacks from non black twitter. Give me a break.

R406No, Harry is not "rethinking" anything. He just today told the world he is pleased with his darling wife. Do you have any ifurther nformation we might not know?

"darling wife" plagiarized from Charles calling Camilla his "darling wife"

Harry is a shit stain of the highest order. All that being said, having to dance for his bread the past few years has probably been more work than Harry has done in his entire life. Plus, the promised billions are not rolling in. I bet having royal aides do everything for you looks awful nice. Add in a shrew of a wife that he has to constantly walk on eggshells around. One who he now has to realize is a global laughingstock. Yeah, he probably has some thoughts running through his head.

R405 "Mayhap we shouldeth all post thus."

If t'were done, t'were best it were done properly (to paraphrase the Scottish King);

"thusly"

Any confirmation on the rumors they've parted ways with Sunshine Sachs?

Did too many invoices go unpaid?

I can't image the sleazy firm that represented Harvey Weinstein has any problem spinning tall tales for these two unless they haven't been paid.

I didn't hear anything about them parting eayscwith SS.

But I suspect that the realisation of everything they threw away when they left is dawning with awful gravitas.

As they watch a star explode across the globe, while they garnerrd a crowd of 60 in Manchester half of whom were booing them, and people line up to gaze upon the new Prince and Peincess of Wales, they enormity of their mistake is likely haunting them.

As, with the reliability of sunrise, they even manage to get themselves even more disliked on this of all scenes.

Even Oprah is running for cover.

And William and Kate sail on, regal, poised, cloaked with awesome promise, and the Sussexes realise that one day those huge cheering crowds will be for King William and Queen Catherine, who had the guts and discipline to put in three decades or so of work to earn the response.

Hope the sex is still worth it, Harry.

Maybe more a kind of dismayed disappointment? As a matter of reality intruding upon imagination, those women refusing her hand on the rope line at Windsor was the best thing that could have happened.

The lady in blue who wouldn't even look at Harry's wife at the Windsor walk-about must have been watching H G Tudor videos. She knew that to ignore the narcissist is the best way to counteract their plans as it provides them with no fuel. Well done.

Speaking of HGT, he has only just resurfaced with a lovely video praising the Queen, a second video reminding us that Charles too is a narcissist, as well as promising plenty of insights on one of his more frequent subjects.

They played it so wrong. They could have had a part time gig if they’d left on good terms. They should never have tried to one-up the monarchy in terms of PR. They should swallowed their pride and worked with the monarchy PR.

^Btw, to blame MM entirely for all that’s happened is so wrong. Harry is equally—maybe more—to blame. He’s incredibly stubborn and dim.

They could never have been goid working royals anyway. They don't understand the concept of duty.

"good," not "goid"

Diana knew she wasn't a brainiac. Even referred to herself and Harry as being "thick"

Harry's a fuckwit but arrogant and blind to his own flaws. That's how MM manipulates him

For a moment, at r420, I thought HM had developed a Curly Howard accent in the afterlife.

Ventriloquist Meghan and her ginger dummy are so unattractive with their seething jealousy and grasping on constant display.

That "darling wife" reference would be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.

This is rumor source they were dropped by Sunshine Sachs.

Well, in fairness, reddit would be as disdained at Twitter, except it enjoys the luxury of being almost unnavigable and therefore is far harder to understand.

R425, that Reddit post doesn’t say they were dropped, only that they’re no longer a client. I have to say, if SS were the ones guiding them to burn all bridges, they should be fired.

Thanks for the link. I tend not to trust that sort of 'I have to keep this anonymous but' source, but all right, I'll file it with other 3,003 rumours glutting cyberspace about the BRF right now.

well said R415

Was ginger brat's "darling wife" comment a signal to Charles that he is going after Charles' darling wife in his book if Charles doesn't cough up some hush money and royal perks ASAP?

If so, R430, it won’t work.

As this week is proving, the Harkles are toast no matter what they do.

R430 No, it's a signal that Harry is petulant, stupid, lacks any sense of self-awareness, and still is deluding himself that he's the equal of his father.

"Btw, to blame MM entirely for all that’s happened is so wrong. Harry is equally—maybe more—to blame."

Agreed. It was Harry that wanted out of the BRF at any cost, Harry was the one who hated his father and blamed the BRF for all his psychological issues, and he expected Meg to support the both of them through famewhoring and social media.

And now he's seeing how his brilliant plan to leave the family and life off of social media and famewhoring is working out, at he's seeing his brother become fabulously wealthy and beloved. He may be a dim bulb but he's not to stupid to realize that absolutely nothing is working out the way he wanted. So... what now, Haz?

Exactly r433. At least Meghan is trying to make a buck and push stuff forward, misguided, though, those projects are. What’s Harry done? Nothing at all.

Somebody pointed out in William's message he wrote Grannie. In Eugenie's, she also wrote Grannie. Harry's "Granny" comment obviously written by La Markle. So she called herself his darling wife.

r434 An upcoming book of truth bombs we are told?

Or Harry just asked Meghan how to spell Grannie.

Whenever you see M & H together, she is always holding onto him, clawing at him, very possessive but also very insecure. I'm sure Harry wants to go back home. He's realized his billionaire's lifestyle Meghan promised him, hasn't materialized. And she must be the biggest nag on Earth. That marriage isn't going to last much longer. The more time he spends in the UK, the more time he has to see his old mates, fall back into his old habits.

A woman who works for Sunshine Sachs Elizabeth Thorpe tweeted back when they originally left the Royal family "Meghan wants to do the international superstar things not the community center opening on a wet Wednesday in Stoke-on-Trent. She wants to shill Duke and Duchess merch on QVC to Khardashianize the monarchy." Yep.

does Ms Thorpe still work the Sussex Royal account at SS, R438?

While Khardashianizing the monarchy indeed be what Meghan wants, it sure as hell isn't what Meghan's got. Or will be getting.

R439 Thorp is still VP of Sunshine Sachs in DC. Might explain Meghan's attempts to get political notice. There are rumors SS has dumped or been dumped by M&H. Who knows? I imagine their services are very expensive and they don't seem to accept advice. I've noticed the woman who run Buzzfeed seems to be working for them along with the guy Christopher Bouzy who runs the fake bot detector Bot Sentinel. Bouzy works to control the narrative on twitter for his clients. One of his clients was Amber Heard. That didn't work out too well.

[QUOTE]He's realized his billionaire's lifestyle Meghan promised him, hasn't materialized.

I imagine that the biggest stressor for Harry is not moving to a new culture and environment or losing his entire social circle and support network or developing new friendships when people have ulterior motives for their interest in him. I honestly believe it's finances and the prospect that their current lifestyle is unsustainable.

Think of it, many, many "average" people have problems with budgeting, overspending, and living beyond their means even when they observed their own parents being prudent with their money or experiencing hardships if they weren't. Harry has seen none of this in his lifetime. Needs and wants were satisfied with no difficulty and little questioning or awareness of the mechanics of paying bills, how much there is in the account and whether there's capital flowing in to cover everything now and in the future. Harry's magical thinking about money doesn't work anymore. The couple's meetings with their accountants must be nerve-wracking if not incomprehensible to dimwitted Harry.

And you know what one of the biggest stressor leading to marital dissolution is besides parenting issues? Finances.

In this case, R441, I'm guessing one of the bigger stressors is living in the wake of his wife's Grandiose Narcissism.

H&M need to settle down and give those two kids a normal, happy childhood and family life. They owe it to them. They need to be with their kids.

I'd hate to be hanging by my thumbs until that happens, R443

All Harry's problems, although well outlined in posts above, miss the bedrock foundation of those problems: his older brother was his mother's favourite, or appeared to be to the child Harry. I don't believe Diana loved William more: I think she loved him differently. Calling William "my rock" inadvertently advertised what a shitty mother Diana was. Little boys of seven or so aren't supposed to be the adult's "rock". She exhibited the same lack of self-awareness in what she was thoughtlessly doing to William that Harry exhibits in being angry at William.

In reality, Harry should be angry at Diana. But who can be angry at a beautiful dead mother snatched away in they prime of her life?

The task of any therapist would, I think, to get Harry to a point where he permits himself to be angry at Diana. That would have been the only path toward ridding himself of the rage that has been poisoning his life, his family relationships, and his hope of a different sort of marriage.

It's easy to tell that no mental health professional has been able to get Harry to that point, and that is telling either of the depth of Harry's unreachability, or the lack of skills of those he encountered.

A really skilled therapist isn't that easy to find, I grant. They are a varied lot, in my experience, just like the rest of humanity.

But having, at a desperate time in life when I was surrounded by loss and fear, encountered a very skilled therapist who guided me out of a canyon of despair, I can tell you that finding that right one is a piece of luck that cannot be overestimated. I can take no credit for it - a colleague at my office recommended this one.

It is too bad that Harry did not find one. I would feel sorrier for him if he weren't bent on hurting so many people.

Yeah, r444.. Remember the part in The Cut interview during Archie's school run? The interviewer noted that other parents did double takes, making it clear that her presence was exceptional.

If the rumor that H&M have parted ways with SS is true, I have a feeling it is something they were told to do. The ground has shifted underneath them, now that Charles is the monarch. They are no longer two generations removed from the throne, just the Queen's grandchildren who can play at being 'influencers' in America. Now everything they say and do in public will have an immediate reflection on the monarchy, just as Andrew's exploits were a blot on his mother's reign.

These two are too dim and self-absorbed to realize the consequences of their actions, but if they persist in having their own personal PR and media channels, Charles may retaliate by petitioning to withdraw the Dukedom - and I don't imagine he would have a hard time getting consent in Parliament. Then they would truly be nothing, and her title would be reduced to Princess Henry, her own name becoming worthless. Whether they like it or not, H&M are part of The Firm now, despite their protests that they are private citizens.

I think the Harkles are in for a rude awakening in the months to come.

Charles has barely had time to turn around.I can't see him spending time on which PR firm Megs is using.

R441 has it spot on. Frankly, Harry has NEVER been on his own. He’s like the teen that can’t wait to leave the house but then Realizes, damn, I have to work? Pay bills and rent? Say what you will about the help she got but Meghan has supported herself. That’s why she’s out there hustling and trying to make a buck. Harry has done jack shit. He has NO IDEA how to support himself, let alone a family and very expensive household. Finances will be the end of this couple.

That title isn't going anywhere. It just isn't. There is no upside.

R447 When that Title Removal bill gets passed making it possible for the monarch to remove titles without Parliament's legal sign-off, Charles won't need Parliament's consent any longer.

It's had its second reading and goes to Committee in December. Then Committee Report, third reading. Then to House of Lords for same process, then back to the Commons for final reading and passage.

I wonder if the Sussexes even know about it, although I'll bet Andrew does. It's gotten surprisingly little fanfare in the press.

It's real and it's happening quietly and Harry has managed to piss off the government as well as the monarchy this year.

Parliament is probably tired of getting Take The Titles petitions and wants the monarchy to shovel its own shit now.

^*Its had (not It's)

[quote]It's gotten surprisingly little fanfare in the press.

The reason being no one is taking it seriously except you. It's a private member's bill from the opposition. It's not going to happen.

Some good points made here, but whatever the advice given to H &M, they probably ignore it. I suspect that includes the PR firm who needed to give no encouragement regarding going full scorched earth - MM has form in ditching and demeaning people with her victim cosplaying and H would have happily followed. Maybe the pR firm made the best of of it and happily took the money. Where does Scobie fit in? Does he just do as he's told? Same with Kaiser at Celebitchy: or does she get paid?

An interesting point was made about H being in need of a therapist who could actually help him. My understanding is H has a therapist (or did have several) but lots of people with money have therapists without paying proper attention to them and doing the work required. They just use them as expensive agony aunts.

R445 This is so true. Because Charles is the parent remaining, he is the focus of Harry’s anger. Diana loved her boys, no doubt, but she was well onto her way to a very unhealthy co-dependent relationship with both of them. William was very angry with her at the time of her death, he disliked her courting the press that summer from St. Tropez. Poor Harry was younger enough he probably didn’t understand what was going on that last summer. William strikes me as someone who has undergone a lot of therapy since his mother died.

Do you think Meghan thought they could ghost the BRF like she did her father?

I believe she thought she was truly going to make it big on her own, was going to be able to show up back in the UK with Harry, successful, and rich. She wanted to rub their faces in not believing in their greatness. Now she, and Harry have to come back basically begging to belong, for the royal glitter. It can't be easy, and I'm sure some part of her wanted to head back to California. It's a shame the need for publicity overrides self reflection.

In addition to Harry having absolutely no understanding of managing money, neither does Meghan. She never had any money. Her earnings from Suits were the first time in her life when she was paying her bills. And I bet she's stingy as hell. She would have no idea how to handle millions which makes her ideal prey for "financial advisors", lawyers and the others who gravitate toward rich, stupid people to fleece them.

r453 Plenty of private members bills have made it into law.

List some, which should be easy since there's plenty. Let's check the substance.

There are a further eight stages to get through to reach the stage it is passed into law. Do you imagine the Conservatives, faced with an energy crisis, want to dwell on this insubstantial bit of spite [italic]and[/italic] hand a policy win to His Majesty's Loyal Opposition? This represents major constitutional change, Parliament having assumed control over removal of titles more than a hundred years ago over the Germans under George V. Do you imagine the new King wants to power to do this and the vulnerability to that bastion of common sense and good order: public opinion?

A small subset of DL nurses this fantastical and cherished notion because they confuse the workings of the monarchy with Real Housewives. This bill will never happen.

r460 As i said plenty-Click on the link

And further, giving the monarch this power - and responsibility - creates the very real risk of a constitutional crisis should the monarch act such that the removal of a title somehow conflicts with the government's agenda. It will never happen.

And I'm a bit surprised at you, SA, boiling down this bit of drama to be equivalent to substantive PMBs such as those dealing with things like education and sexual offenses and health care.

You really think a bill to create all the risk of this feel good bit of foolishness is equal to those? Necessary? You amaze me.

"All Harry's problems, although well outlined in posts above, miss the bedrock foundation of those problems: his older brother was his mother's favourite, or appeared to be to the child Harry."

I don't entirely agree, IMHO the root of Harry's problems is that his mother died before he was old enough to understand anything about her. She was complex and her story was complex, she was good and bad as a person and a mother, both wronged and wronging others... but Harry was too young to see anything but the beautiful and loving mother who'd been wronged.

I suspect that if a good therapist could get him to understand her at an adult level he'd be able to let go of some of his anger, but then, how many things DOES Harry understand at an adult level? He's dumb, uneducated, immature, and too self-absorbed to have a clue about the real world or what makes other humans tick. I just don't see a lot of hope for him, he has so many mental deficits both inborn and acquired, and I doubt he has a clue about what he lacks or needs to learn. The odds are good that he'll stay an angry, clueless mess until he dies.

I doubt that he’s intelligent enough to benefit from therapy (certainly not if he’s been in therapy as it’s obviously not working).

Spilling your guts to a therapist is easy (I know - I’ve done it) but taking the advice and the tools and the exercises that come with therapy and applying them takes commitment and discipline, which he doesn’t appear to have.

I don't think any psychotherapy could help Harry because he doesn't want to get better, he just wants to vent his rage. He and his wife both suffer from pathological rage and uncontrollable jealousy. That's a deadly combination when there isn't a partner who can call the other one out for being nuts.

All this assumes Harry cared about his mother. I'm not quite sure that is the case. Rather, he learned to manipulate other people's sympathy for him over his mother's death. It's been quite a useful tool for him. I think he is devoid of empathy.

William also had the benefit of a spouse who was invested in him moving on from the past for her own dakecas eepl as his.

Harry's wife used and affirmed his rage to secure a brilliant marriage for herself just as she was approaching middle-age.

Kate also had experience of family mental health crises: she had given her brother enormous support through clinical depression, and was made part of some of his counseling sessions. James Middleton was apparently suicidal at one point. You can imagine Kate's revulsion hearing Meghan and Harry use what was by all odds self-serving grandstanding re suicide after helping her brother through the real thing.

I'm always amused at how easily Kate's innate strength and self-discipline are sneered at.

Still waters run deep, as the old saying has it.

William knew what he was doing.

r466 I dare say I don't think Harry is really that sad about the death of "granny' for the same reason. He is more worried about his public appearance.

Agreed, R468. He could not care less.

r462 You are shifting the goalposts. You previously argued that there were very few private members bills that have become law and said it ain't going to happened. The new bill actually takes a lot of the onus of the monarch because it will allow mps and politicians to petition the monarch to remove person Xs title any the monarch could argue they were only respecting the wishes of elected politicians when they removed the title. Rather than doing it themselves and being the total focus of any disagreement with the decision. The exact opposite to what you are claiming.

The new Bill addresses one part of the Ship of State's business, and was put forth by a Labour MP taking aim at Andrew still carrying the York title because the Labour MP, Rachael Maskell, represents YORK CENTRAL.

It may not equal a cap on fuel prices, dear, but it's quite legitimate, and given that Harry has taken his War on Equality for Younger Brothers into the courts against the government, the Bill will prove handy in getting this particular issue off the government's desk and onto the Sovereign's.

There is no reason it wouldn't pass. There's appetite, as they say. Time and place.

Charles despises Andrew, you know, as well as his hanger-on parasite of a wife. And, he wants to downsize the monarchy. It's easier to do that if you ease out people who don't have Big Titles. And, it gives the Sovereign more ability to threaten rogue family members.

Harry and Andrew have brought the monarchy, which is an arm of the State, into disrepute. The government finds the monarchy quite useful, and is also aware that the monarchy still enjoys broad support.

As it has already passed through two readings without dying, it is likely to pass a third; and, as the Bill in question relates only to titles granted to royal family members and not the hereditary peerage itself, and the Lords of all people will be aghast at how Harry and Andrew have behaved toward the apex of the structure supporting their very existence, I do not doubt it will get through the HoL, as well.

The Duke of Northumberland's title is beyond the Sovereign's remit, in reality. But the Duke of Sussex's and Duke of York's titles were personal gifts of the Sovereign, and with this Bill, the Sovereign can take them back without having to ask Parliament to sign on the dotted line. A nice private convo with a "committee" will ensure that Parliament and Buck House are on the same page.

A rapier, if you will, instead of Ye Olde Axe.

It won't happen. You're twisting arguments to suit your need for soap opera. Constitutionally, the idea is a mess and no one will want it except the headline seeking MP for York. Let's revisit this in a year.

I still want to know what that square shaped contraption under Meghan's dress was. Was it a mic so she could record what people said to her?

It was something to make you go on about, quisling.

I think it was the elastic band of her tights

2 cameras and stereo microphones.

Gayle King acting all confused and asking the Royal reporter WHY King Charles felt it NECESSARY to name William the Prince of Wales.... That was really a WTF moment and so transparent of her agenda. Can't stand her or her girlfriend Orca.

R477, either that or her stupidity. I lean toward stupidity.

Gayle King is Don Lemon with ovaries.

Gayle, a supposed journalist, couldn’t find the answer?

Gayle's just mad. She probably thought she was going to get a lot of mileage out of Meghan.

Gayle totally fucked Harry up by running her mouth on TV about a private conversation between Charles and Harry. Meghan really fucked up there.

Nobody accused Gayle of being a "journalist" until now

Technically I think she was accused of being a lousy journalist.

It definitely was not an elastic band, r475.

Harry needs security to protect him from Meghan.

She often has lumps under her clothes. I remember the same converstion over the kaftan in Morroco, the Kermit outfit and the raincoat at the Jubilee. Maybe she keeps a pill box in her underwear?

[quote]Even Oprah is running for cover.

In more ways than one. She has sold her Montecito home to Jennifer Aniston and is leaving the area.

r488 I thought it was just a cottage on the property grounds she sold her not the actual mansion??

She divided the property up a couple of years ago and sold the lot with two guest houses to her personal trainer/guru. Now she has sold the lot with the main house to Aniston. And it's not really a mansion. It's in a farmhouse style with only four bedrooms.

Really r488? I haven’t seen that. So where is her “home” going to be?

So Harry was marching behind another royal casket today, keeping his eyes straight ahead and showing no emotion.

Whaddya bet he claims a flare-up of PTSD after the fact? I mean he won't do it now, not while the public's attention is focused on the family and he's angling for Charles's money, but later...

I don't think Meghan is diabetic but they wear boxy (or round) things sometimes to monitor blood sugar or deliver insulin - sometimes on the arm but also on the abdomen.

I wonder if some mischievous people photo-shop the things? Like those wires mixed in with her hair at the Jubly - and she had some round buttons on her top.

I don't know what other explanations there are?? Heart monitors? (wouldn't explain the stomach placement)

I really think it has to be microphone stuff unless it's photoshopped.

Trying to be fair Klan Granny again, I don't think Meghan's problem is necessarily spray tan... it's lighting. Look at all the pictures of her in Westminster Hall today and then look at this one at the link below (to indulge Muriel's lame ass autotext.) In some lights she looks super spray tan.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

I was wondering how the family would treat her behind closed doors. Be nasty and snarky? Give her the silent treatment? Try and be nice and chit chat? All the time knowing that whatever you say will be repeated in some podcast or book and probably twisted.

I can't imagine anyone spoke to her. Did anyone even bother with Harry? Maybe Andrew?

Apparently it's Harry's birthday tomorrow. William and Kate headed to Sandringham and Charles headed to Highgrove. Maybe Eugenie will show up to eat his birthday cake.

I was wondering about that last night. I guess they just ask after the children. Most polite small talk - let's start with 'what's keeping you busy these days?' - well, they already know the answers and it's not really the basis for good conversation. Such a shame they have to muddle through that.

Weather, traffic, kids, pets. Those always get me through awkward pauses.

They can't say anything personal to Harry because Meghan will call Gayle King to repeat it.

It's quite telling that no one hung around to continue the family togetherness and heal rifts. The Harkles I am sure are not too interested in the Yorks although they'll settle for them.

Meanwhile, the SUN claims that the Harkles and Charles have been fighting all week because they want that HRH for their kids, and Charles is only willing to issue Letters Patent granting them the title of Prince and Princess but not the style of HRH.

The SUN doesn't even state that according to a royal expert bullshit, but presents the story as a source factual piece.

If the story is true, it means that in the midst of the Queen's death, the first time the Harkles were around Charles in a long time, they were nagging Charles about the HRHs.

r499 They should ask her how her ill father is.

Didn't happen, wishful thinking.

I think that's square "microphone" is just a patch of fabric on the underside of the dress. It has a main seam in the middle joining top and skirt. Maybe there are or were pockets starting at the waist on each side of the skirt, or maybe there were belt loops. It's just a flap of fabric.

Then she's unbelievably sloppy. Just check yourself out in a mirror - get some scissors to get rid of weird shapes showing through your clothes - or Harry's Swiss army knife - who doesn't give yourself the once over before you walk out to go to a major event that you know will be papped and video'd and shown all over the world? Most of us do that when we go to our cousin's wedding. She's a slob, just like he is, like that awful photo of her uncombed, stringy hair, sitting next to the Queen wearing a hat. (when it had politely been suggested she wear a hat - that's probably she decided to have wild hair - thinking "Nobody tell's ME what to do - I'll show them!

Somebody linked that bad hair day of hers yesterday--I'd forgotten how awful it was. Almost makes me feel sorry for her. The DM has quite a collection of bad pictures to fall back on if they want to shade her--the sweaty pits in the brown ensemble being the worst.

Maybe she puts weird crap under her clothes just to push our buttons, get more publicity, implicitly threaten the other royals... once again, nobody tells Meghan what to do!! and what Meghan wants, Meghan gets!!!

Actually that would have been a brilliant move. Every member of the royal family who had to speak with Meghan over the past few days, should have asked her how her father was getting on after his stroke and heart attack. They could have really laid in on thick and through gritted teeth “our thoughts are with him and the rest of your family” at this difficult time etc

Imagine the enjoyment and satisfaction of watching her squirm.

Tom Bower's typewriter must be on fire with all these developments. Is an update going to be enough, or should he just write a full sequel?

Allegedly, some people on the walkabout said Meghan smelled faintly of liquor. And if you watch her walk from the car, she is pretty wobbly. Maybe the 45-minute negotiation was actually time spent trying to sober her up and that's why Kate was pissed as hell and why Meghan was off her game and awkward, especially at the end. I went back to watch, picturing Meghan being drunk, and it made so much sense.

Then I went back and watched the Garden party for Charles' 70th, her first public engagement after the marriage. The weird affectations she had, that sashay up the stairs, the exaggerated gestures. And then they were asked to leave and if you imagine Meghan was tipsy, it all makes sense.

Then think of her CUT interview and the giggly secret of getting back on Instagram, calling herself Mandela, repeating manners over and over like a maniac. It was bizarre. Could she have been drinking?

How crazy would it be if the problem the whole time is that Meghan is an alcoholic and that's why the BRF started to sideline them and that's why she looks sloppy and acts fake/weird. Hell, maybe her and Harry always hold hands to keep each other steady (plus drunk people can be very touchy feely).

Her face was puffy at the Lying in State. Usually a sign of drinking heavily. Could this be why Harry was too embarassed to get his wife help? Why she's sending off angry messages to TQ at 4am California time that service is universal? The sweaty armpits at Canada House? Drunk people sweat. The rumors they got kicked out of KP for loud parties. She named her blog after a wine.

Honestly, looking at any of the events through that lens, it all clicks. And of course the family would never say it. They'd just send their love and wish Harry the best.

Anyways, this is all allegedly.

R511 You honestly sound like you're completely off your rocker. I assume you also believe in Pizzagate and look up to the MyPillow guy.

I don't know what those are but you seem to be familiar with them so I guess you would know crazy better than me. :/

I just can't buy that Meghan is a sociopath narcissist evil doer. There has to be something that's caused this beyond all these cryptic accusations and leaked stories. I just want it all to make sense and have people be vulnerable humans with real issues and not some weird telenova. Plus, real issues mean real solutions and paths to healing.

I don't know.

R166 Margaret and Tony dumping their kids with the Queen at Buckingham Palace has been well documented over the years. It has been mentioned in books and TV documentaries. Lady Anne Glenconner was a lifelong friend of Princess Margaret and served as her Lady In Waiting, she was also a Maid Of Honour at the queens coronation. She talks about it in her recent book and has discussed it many time over the years on TV.

Do your research before accusing people of making up stories.

Makes sense to me, R511. Thanks for the tea!

r511 Well, I guess a drinking problem would make her a little less hateable than a cunning calculating narcissist striver...

Good point R514. If she is alcoholic (and/or other substance abuse issues), then I automatically have more sympathy for her. Like you say, A REASON, other than just being evil and wanting to hurt people, cold sober and calculated about it.

She could still be a narcissist - even a sociopath, though. The rumors of physical fights are concerning to me - both hers and Harry beating up prostitutes. Just unconscionable behavior. Hope it's not true - but I cant help myself, it rings true. It also jibes with drunkenness.

R514 here, apologies my post was meant for another thread.

R517

Yes, exactly. Hell, I would probably start drinking myself to death in the BRF, too. All the pressure and scrutiny and public interaction. Her family blasting her on TV.

And think about it. Addicts are terrified and ashamed so they go on the offensive, start projecting, they make up crazy lies and scenarios so they don't have to face the truth.

My heart would 100% go out to her if this was the case. But it's all just rumor so who knows. But like you said, I want a reason.

Someone here who lives in LA said MM was just a very basic Hollywood hustler, no more nor less. Her problem was that she joined a very famous, very visible family firm, and got in way, way over her head.

Harry is someone who has lived in a very rarified bubble all his life and has no clue about how to function in the real world.

They just blunder from one mistake to another.

I don’t think she’s an alcoholic. I suspect she and Harry use drugs, though.

I believe the violence rumors too. The police have been called to their house for false alarms too many times.

Remember the time the BRF had to send the police to their house to tell them PP had died because no one inside would answer the phones? Weird.

Apparently narcissists are susceptible to alcohol and substance abuse. Meghan's skinniness pre-children smacked of a diet of coke & cigarettes (yoga fanatic, my ass). She alleged in her blog that when depressed, she stays in bed and binges on French bread & wine; I suspect it was more the latter than the former. I wouldn't be surprised if she drank before the walkabout to "settle her nerves", but I also wouldn't surprise me if William interrupted a day drinking session with the 11th hour walkabout invitation.

If I were cooped up with the Royal Family this week, I'd be day drinking too!

But really, if either of them is a secret alcoholic, I'd suspect Harry first. Five years ago he was fit and handsome, now he's bloated and puffy, and he's the one with nothing to do all day but play video games and drink. She's the former C-list Hollywood hustler who still has to hustle to pay their ever-mounting bills, so she's probably a lot busier than he is. And well, if a party boy who has always liked a cocktail or ten has nothing to do all day, he'll find something to make the boredom go away.

I agree r523 my ex was a narcissist and a working alcoholic, sometimes when drunk the mask would slip and he would say what he really thought.

Ingrid Seward:

A brilliant mother despite everything by INGRID SEWARD, Daily Mail At one desperate low point in her life, Princess Margaret turned wistfully to her sister, the Queen, and said: 'I may not have achieved very much - but I at least feel my life has not been wasted, because I have produced two happy and well-adjusted children.'

The truth of that statement was borne out by the presence of her son, Viscount Linley, and her daughter, Lady Sarah Chatto, at her bedside when she died.

Her own talents may have been largely unfulfilled, as she was honest enough to recognise. She was flighty and, at times, irresponsible.

Yet the great irony is that she managed to bring up two children who are more settled and secure than the offspring of her altogether more straight-laced sister.

But this certainly was never achieved by their following her example of illconsidered romances and a fondness for parties and late nights. Indeed, these were the pitfalls which Viscount Linley and Lady Sarah have been astute enough to avoid.

And for that, Princess Margaret must take the credit. For it was she who instilled in her children their love of beautiful things and encouraged their interest in art.

Sarah is a painter who has held several exhibitions and her brother David is a world-famous furniture designer whose pieces are collected by the likes of Elton John.

Moreover, it is not for reasons of nepotism that the Queen gives gifts of his work to the heads of state she visits.

Only last week on BBC Radio 4's Desert Island Discs, in a prescient moment, Viscount Linley selected Mozart's Piano Concerto No 24 in C minor to remember his mother by.

He also said that she had inspired his love of art and that she was 'very good at taking me to see just one object, so we would go to the National Gallery to see the Leonardo, or we would go to see the Vermeer - but only that.

'So she would constantly be dragged away by us, saying: "Well, can't we just go and see that?" And she would say: "Well, you can come back again if you want." So one actually became very keen to go back.'

It wasn't all plain sailing for David and Sarah, however. The Princess never bothered to conceal the fact that she found babies and young children irritating.

Once she confided that the responsibilities of motherhood did not appeal to her, and she was never tactile or compassionate towards her children when they were young.

She believed their lives should fit in to hers, not the other way around, and just seven weeks after the birth of her son she was to be found on holiday in Antigua, having left him behind in the care of a nanny.

Such issues led to the first of the rows with her husband: Lord Snowdon wanted to dispense with the traditional royal services of nannies and nurserymaids; Margaret, however, insisted on using them for the simple reason that it was a job she wasn't prepared to do herself.

It was she who employed the redoubtable Nanny Sumner, whose old-fashioned views about bringing up children were in direct conflict to Snowdon's own more modern ideas. But this was a battle that the ever-wilful Margaret was determined to win.

She was much keener on pursuing her own energetic social life than dealing with the mundane day-to-day problems of small children.

It was an attitude that she carried through into her later years. At Sandringham one year, she rounded on the Duke and Duchess of York's daughter Princess Beatrice, who was trying to engage her in childish conversation and said: 'Go away, you silly child, can't you see I am trying to read?'

And before she presented her mother with her first grandchild, Sarah Chatto admits that she felt the need for 'a stiff drink'. Her apprehension was well-founded - Princess Margaret had no interest in holding the baby.

Many daughters would have taken justifiable offence. Sarah didn't. She knew her mother only too well. She had learned to accept her and love her for what she was. And besides, Margaret had more than compensated in many loving ways for her sometimes off-hand behaviour.

As Margaret's children grew older, she began to take pleasure in sharing in their interests. She nurtured their musical tastes, which range from classical works to rock.

With the Queen there was always a clear, unbridgeable division between her public and private lives. With Margaret the distinction was always blurred, so she would take Linley with her on her official visits to factories - something the Queen would never have dreamed of doing with her own children.

But Sarah and David do recall how they spent most of their childhood holidays with the Queen who, while their mother slept in during the mornings, taught them to ride, showed them how to garden and encouraged them to swim in the cold waters of the Scottish lochs.

Children's memories are selective and neither Sarah nor her brother likes to dwell on the unhappiness of their parents' final months together.

Indeed, the break-up of the Snowdons' marriage, far from irreparably damaging the children, brought some much-needed calm to their young lives. They continued to live at Kensington Palace, saw their father as often as they liked and were able to enjoy their parents' company without worrying when the next row was going to erupt.

It helped that Sarah and David got on well with Snowdon's second wife, Lucy Lindsay-Hogg. And they rather liked Margaret's young lover, Roddy Llewellyn. But they had both been given a cruel lesson in how not to conduct a marriage.

It is an example both are determined not to repeat. They have chosen to follow a more settled path - Sarah with theatrical agent Daniel Chatto, Linley with Viscount Petersham's elegant daughter, Serena Stanhope.

Margaret was delighted with both their choices. Her friend and lady-in-waiting, Lady Glenconner, said: 'She was so proud of her children.'

Their upbringing had forced them to develop their independence, however. Unlike their cousins Prince Charles, Princess Anne and Prince Andrew, they have had the emotional confidence to make a go of their marriages.

They have, at the same time, been able to forge their own way in life. Being of royal blood certainly hasn't been a hindrance in their careers. But nor has it been the handicap that so afflicts the Queen's children.

There were disagreements with their mother, of course. Princess Margaret was very upset when Linley sold the house in Mustique she had given him to avoid death duties. Nor was she best pleased when Sarah set up home with Chatto before agreeing to marry him.

But that in no way detracted from the affection they felt for their mother - or she for them.

Indeed, David chose to move back into Kensington Palace with his wife and young son, Charles, in order to be closer to his mother during her final illness. Princess Margaret loved having him there.

And just a couple of days before her death, Princess Margaret's spirits were boosted when she attended the third birthday party of Sarah's second son and had a helium balloon tied to her wheelchair.

It was a scene that was testament to what she saw as her one true success in life - that of being a mother.

It comes from that place {that invokes (the erratic) autotext warning]

Meghan not in a "fishbowl" with the BRF. More like they are doing everything they can to avoid her.

Are threads being deleted? Some of my watched threads are gone…

For what it's worth, in the BBC coverage I've had on you see a very diverse crowd lined up to pay their respects to the Queen. Just an observation.

I recently read Lady Anne Glenconner's book. She is very warm and respectful about Princess Margaret (as she unfailingly refers to her every time, never just Margaret). She barely mentions Margaret's children, out of discretion I assume. Anyhoo I finished the book liking Margaret more. I have now adopted Margaret's term for cocktails: "Drinkie winkies."

I saw the same watching the queue. Diverse both ethnically and in terms of age. There were plenty of young people.

The queue is over two miles along and steady.

Reports of the death of the British monarchy have been greatly exaggerated.

The Wessexes are up in Manchester greeting mourners there, and drawing large crows - in a place where the Sussexes couldn't even pull a crowd of 100 two weeks ago.

I say next strategy. Give int to lying in bed, eating French bed & drinking wine she mentioned in TIG Get uber fat, like Lizzo. Then add fatshaming to BLM victim script. Could work really well

Alcohol is strictly prohibited in the Royal Family, mind you!

It's Harry's Birthday today so the Sussex Squad Troll Farm will be overrunning Twitter.

She never learns.

I assume Meghan used some combination of coke and Adderall to stay ultra thin pre-children. It looked to me like she took a little break after Archie and Lilibet but has been frantically trying to get skinny again for the past several months. Unfortunately for her, everything appears to have shifted after her pregnancies.

Like her place in the world, R538, everything appears to have shifted.

And not the way they were expecting.

So is Harry throwing a birthday bash tonight?

The other Meghan, and Harry threads were deleted. It's good this one has a low key title. I get not everyone likes discussing the royals, but people spamming threads make the rest of us trying to have a semi-normal mega thread about them look crazy, and believe me....we DO NOT need help in that department!

Did any of you catch that Lady Gabriella Windsor fainted as The Queen's coffin was brought into Westminster?

r541 Gabriella pregnant perhaps?

I saw a guard also collapsed. Some of those guards were up there in age!

I wonder what it was that caused her to faint. Maybe she hadn't eaten that day.

The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester are a nice-looking older couple. He looks sweet and she looks stylish and a little mischievous (based on other items I've seen about them as well as the pictures at R541.

I thought so too, SA/r542. I mentioned it in another thread. She's over 40, so the pregnancy is expected, but "geriatric" with possible difficulties. I'm surprised the couple didn't have a child earlier given her age and expectations to give birth almost right away in aristocratic circles, as though the newly welcomed brood sow has to prove her worth.

I'm not sure if she is pregnant, or she just locked her knees too long while standing. I've seen people faint from trying to stand as still as possible, so its plausible. I was fully expecting Meghan to fake a fainting out of anyone there.

If somebody got attention for fainting, Meghan will be fainting next!!! Just like Princess Anne got attention for curtsying so Meghan had to copy her.

Body Language Guy makes some good points about the photo.

He bought the photo from Getty Images of Meghan and Harry on the stairs behind King Charles waiting for the coffin so he could analyze it.

FWIW, he also suggests some of the people in the crowd that hugged Meghan were PR plants and that she had her hair pulled all to one side because she had a mic telling her who the plants were so she could go directly to them.

Supposedly Variety was going to give Meghan some award as a powerful woman of Hollywood. Really? what power does she have? She's a golddigger. Hollywood's full of them. She was a D list actress. The A and B and C list of actresses will be most irate.

Apparently Oprah will be at the glitzy awards ceremony. Hope the big O stays well clear of England. There's rumours she wants to go to the funeral.

Oprah ain't getting anywhere near that funeral. She's lost her marbles. Her girlfriend Gayle King must be annoyed. Good Morning America, Today, CNN and even MSNBC have sent correspondents to London to cover this event and she's stuck on her fat ass on low-rated CBS.

Oprah sold the guesthouses on her Montecito property to her personal trainer some time ago. She's just sold the main house to Jennifer Aninston and is getting out of there.

It was never her primary residence, more of a small getaway. There's no mansion, the main house has only four bedrooms and is decorated like a farmhouse.

^ Aniston

Why on God's earth would Oprah get invited to the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II?! Has the woman lost her mind? Was she a friend of the family (no, the REAL family)? Has she forgotten that she gave two people an unchallenged platform on which to defame people, one of whom was Britain's Head of State with impunity and without proof, and on which platform outright lies were told?!

This isn't a celebrity wedding: this is the biggest state occasion in the world.

Did Oprah see any Crowned Heads at the Sussex wedding? Any representatives from America and the EU and the Middle and Far East?!

No: she saw other celebrities.

If there are any theatrical people there, they are likely to be people like Dame Judi Dench, Daniel Craig, Helen Mirren, Benedict Cumberbatch . . . you know, THAT show biz crowd.

(Actually, the Queen was said to have a mild crush on Kelly Savalas in his role in Kojak. She really went in for butch men, didn't she.)

Telly Savalas transitioned?

r545 They only married in 2019 and I reckon the pandemic and all the uncertainty afterwards probably caused them to decide to wait. That would be my guess-the original plan was two years ago. However, she is certainly wealthy enough to have some of her eggs frozen. Perhaps she even had them frozen before she met her now husband?

Fun fact Pippa Middleton, the sister of Catherine Princess of Wales, dated Gabriellas husband several years ago.

Dame Judy Dench would I imagine be at the funeral as she was a close friend of the Queen, she travelled up to Balmoral every summer to visit her. Of course Judy is far to discreet to ever talk about their friendship.

Tom Bower is so right again.

If Tom Bower is right and Harry's book will be a bombshell, Harry is really digging his own grave. Most marriages end up in divorce, especially ones with a lot of stress. MM has an exceptionally poor history of maintaining relationships and Harry has few attractive qualities that would make a woman want to work out serious problems. He has no professional qualifications, no career history apart from the army, a spotty education. What could he do except retreat to his family? But this bombshell book will nail the door shut on that.

[quote]I just can't buy that Meghan is a sociopath narcissist evil doer. There has to be something that's caused this beyond all these cryptic accusations and leaked stories. I just want it all to make sense and have people be vulnerable humans with real issues and not some weird telenova. Plus, real issues mean real solutions and paths to healing.

This is one of the most revealing posts I've seen on these Sussex threads. You're basically admitting, R513, that the post at R511 (also you, I think you indicated) is pure fantasy, spun because you simply don't want to believe Meghan is a bad person.

I suppose the question is - why? Why are people like this? Because they are, some of them. In fact I see a surprising amount of this with Meghan in particular - there are quite a few who seem to understand on some subconscious level that this is quite plainly not a good person, but struggling with it for some reason. Haven't you ever had any bad people in your life, at work, personal life etc.? Does someone have to have wielded political power to be bad? Must they have bombed hospitals or committed war crimes? Meghan sure hasn't done any of that. And yet the evidence - and we can even restrict ourselves completely here to things she herself has publicly said or done - points strongly to despicability (I KNOW, oh dear troll).

I swear some of this has to do with her being so pretty. There is some deep lizard brain level shit at play here, people don't want to believe someone so pretty and sweet-presenting and physically small etc. can be a piece of shit. But she is. Even her stans know it, it's why they don't have anything beyond "racist!" and "crazy stalker!" to defend her with.

And how is being a bad person not a real thing? Again, have you seriously never run into someone like this? Your two posts are fascinating in their almost wilful lack of insight and proof of the lengths (the alcoholic narrative, which there is ZERO proof of, and which anyone with an average amount of intuition into other humans understands isn't likely to afflict a person like Meghan, who is more than she is anything else a high-level control freak and not the type to get messy drunk or high, ever) some people will go to avoid seeing what's right in front of their face.

Just to play devil's advocate, maybe she does sometimes overindulge? She's so basic, and what's more normal for her ilk than being a wine mom? And lots of social drinkers gradually drink more and more as they get older.

As to Harry's book, I'm wondering if it will be much less explosive than some fear. People were hoping for bombshells in the Bower book, but it turned out to merely be a portrait of an ambitious, fame-hungry, do-whatever-it-takes, unremarkable wannabe--a story that could be told about any number of the people in show biz.

American here. This week has totally changed my perspective on H&M. We don't turnout like that for anything over here. There is literally nothing in the world that can compare to the star power of the RF and the connection they have with the nation they serve. It doesn't matter if H&M become beloved American personalities, they will still never be received the way the BRF has been this week. We just don't do that. There will never be a five mile line to meet them. There will never be thousands of flowers lain on their lawn. There will never be cities packed full of people to honor them nationally. What they have now? Positive press in the weekly celebrity magazines, a few random award shows, interviews on TV; that's as good as it gets here. And as far as philanthropy goes, Archewell will never be able to compete with the financial power of Gates, Bezos, and the Obamas.

The Sussex Squad and Omid Scabies can say whatever they want, but after the passing of TQ, even they know deep down that Meghan and Harry will never be received like that. It's just not possible. The BRF is unique. No other family is like it. But here in America they're competing with hundreds of beloved celebrities and politicians like themselves.

I'm not frustrated or irritated by them anymore. Like I said, what they have now is pretty much the peak of success and fame available to them in America, no matter what they say or do. And it's so insignificant compared to the Monarchy

I too don't believe MM is evil. I wrote above that she is just a basic LA hustler who got in over her head.

>>>a portrait of an ambitious, fame-hungry, do-whatever-it-takes, unremarkable wannabe--a story that could be told about any number of the people in show biz.

This.

r562 is right. The line to get into the Abbey is now 5 miles long with a wait of 15 hours. There is no one Americans would do that for.

I've been watching the live feed of the public paying their respects, when I can. Absolutely uniform good behavior! No crowding, no lingering, no selfies, no teasing the guards, no fights, no jokes, no assholes. People waited 15 hours and crept five miles, and hen t hey finally reach the goal after a day of waiting, they quietly bow, or salute, or pass by respectfully, and let the next group do the same.

Nothing on earth would ever get a mixed crowd of Americans to do the same - NOTHING.

But R562, It was never in the cards for a "spare" to be as beloved as Queen Elizabeth!

So if Harry and Meg wanted to be famous and beloved, they weren't going to achieve their goal by being working royals who got demoted every time Will fathered her child, the best a "spare" can hope for is ge royal sort of celebrity, or the quiet respect that people hold for Princess Anne the Model Spare. They never would have gained the kind of love being shown to Elizabeth, there was never any point in staying for that.

R566 You’re right. They thought there was no point staying if they couldn’t leave want they wanted - something they’ll never get.

There is also no way on earth the Royal Family would allow them to monetize themselves. But they’re nothing without the Royal connection. If Meghan wanted to act, the Queen said it was fine by her. She doesn’t want to or can’t. Besides, no one will hire her. If Harry had any skills he too could have a real job. He doesn’t want one. They want fame and celebrity on their terms and nobody wants to buy it because of the ways they’ve presented themselves as shameless grifters and vacuous fame whores, not people who’ve accomplished something worth honoring.

They want to get credit for something they haven’t done (as working royals) and won’t do. A week from now nothing will have changed. The threats, leaks, and lies will continue.

Harry and Meghan are nobodies. They are basucally two losers who got lucky, then blew it. All they offer is the specticule of their terrible choices and despicable behavior.

She didn’t go back to acting because she felt she didn’t need it. It was a way to earn a living and have some notoriety. I never got the feeling Meghan acted because she loved the “craft,” she enjoyed the things it brought her-some fame and money. Now she has way more notoriety, so why act?

One thing I do think—i think Meghan is all for putting the work in to make money. Gossip from Suits indicated she was always willing to work and put in extra hours. There’s a reason they jumped into all these projects, and it was her. And they absolutely will have a lot of trouble making money off their titles, it should be interesting what happens. Harry, btw? He has absolutely no idea how to make a buck. How could he—he never had to! Everything was always done for him and handed to him.

I think if Obama died suddenly (he’s fairly young still) there might be an outpouring of grief similar to the queen, but I agree—it wouldn’t quite reach the same level. The queen’s age actually works in her favor in this instance. People feel like she’s their grandmother, so there’s a tremendous sentimentality attached to her life and death. And they’ve known her for a lot longer than we’ve known Obama.

R562 Nailed it. Well observed and well said.

What's more, I think the same lead penny has dropped onto the Sussex's feet looking around.

[quote]So if Harry and Meg wanted to be famous and beloved, they weren't going to achieve their goal by being working royals who got demoted every time Will fathered her child,

What???

I've been following this saga since the engagement interview. While watching the clips, alarm bells were going off with me and warnings in the red zone. It took me some time to realize that among other things, M reminded me of someone I worked with who was a destructive nightmare. So, the RF have my complete sympathy. Been there, done that.

Just when I think she (they, because he is tied to her in jealousy, rage, disappointment, greed, revenge, ... whatever) can't go any lower, I am again shocked that there does not appear to be one atom of empathy or understanding in her. I've concluded that that narcissist guy is right on the money.

I know some people are amused by her antics. I am not.

The picture of her (and Harry) hovering over and behind Prince Charles as he waits to receive the Queen's body back to BP... That picture shows her, in particular as ghoulish. No joke. Ghoulish.

Really revolting.

Without the least bit of understanding, concern, or even civility.

What a nightmare for those who loved Elizabeth as only family can to have to share space with such a creature as M. To not be free to grieve opening, weep openly, hug and share memories among those they trust because they know the spider is there.

Really, really despicable.

That photo reminds me of this ghoulish shot:

R572 Amen.

Caroline Blackwood (one of the Guinness heiresses whose first marriage was to Lucien Freud) wrote a brilliant book on Wallis Simpson in her later years. It’s called The Last Of The Duchess. Due to her aristocratic connections Blackwood had a deeper and wider array of sources than the average journalist.

It’s a fascinating and tragic read, and I’ve often thought of it when I see Harry and Meghan’s antics.

Endless jewels and wealth did not prevent Wallis from dying alone and friendless apart from her insane parasitical lawyer (a whole other story in and of itself!)

History repeats itself. The rumours of H&Ms involvement with Russian oligarchs only underlines the parallels (W&E palling around w Nazis).

R563 The problem with what she and Harry are doing is, they are stoking unrest. Granted, some like that. I think it’s safe to say the vast majority of people most definitely don’t.

Comparing Obama to the Queen? Oh please.

R577, Obama is the most famous man in the world. I said he would come close to the same reaction, but you know what? In some places it would be more.

The outpouring of grief and respect for the Queen has got to shock Meghan. All her points of reference are from growing up on the fringes of Hollywood, the people who watch in obscurity all the attention the stars get. She was never a star in Hollywood or Toronto, she was always just one of a cast of thousands. She must have thought she would finally get her big break to play Queen on the world stage.

People will not be lining up for miles over a four-day period to walk past Obama’s coffin. That is absurd fantasy.

[quote] [R577], Obama is the most famous man in the world.

Nope. Just no.

R581. Seriously? He’s not?? Who is? Don’t the surveys tell us that as well? And yes people would queue up for Obama. As I said, maybe not as much as for the queen, but they would def queue.

MM could have made themselves beloved in the UK and Commonwealth, just by showing up, acting interested and concerned, and participating in whatever local events were on offer. That's it! The rest of the time they could do what royals and aristos do - enjoy themselves in various exclusive and expensive venues, go shopping, and go on holiday.

Exactly r583!

They had guaranteed lifetime careers with phenomenal retirement package. Staff, company car, wardrobe allowance, the finest company housing for life, exceptional medical care. No hustling for work, just put in a few hours a week glad-handing. The hours required of them barely totals part-time hours. They were offered a lifetime of full-time job perks for only part-time work. Dumbasses unable to curb their seething jealousy.

5582 Like it or not, in terms of worldwide fame Trump is easily his equal. Each will have his queue. But neither will receive the scale of outpouring of love and respect the Queen is getting, that's just reality.

R581 But, but he must be! He’s American and we are always number one!

"They [the Harkles] had guaranteed lifetime careers with phenomenal retirement package."

But they could never, ever, be top dogs or the center of attention in the royal family, they had guaranteed jobs with fantastic pay and a certain degree of fame, but jobs where they could never be promoted, only demoted, and where they'd never, EVER in a billion years of doing their best, gain a fraction of the love and respect being shown to Queen Elizabeth right now.

I could see myself accepting the deal with way Princess Anne did, but I can see how others would hate it. The Harkles had every right to leave if that's what they wanted, because neither is a good fit for royal life and they'd never be happy if they stayed, they just don't have the right to take all the perks with them as they leave.

Someone name a more famous person than Obama. And don't say Dump. He's not famous, he's an asshole, and we all have assholes.

Can you imagine Meghan living in the shadow of Princess Catherine - and then Queen Catherine? She'd be absolutely miserable, no matter the perks. And she'd take it out not only on Harry but the kids (and the staff? let's not even go there)

There's a chance that the adventuring she's having to do will make her as close to happy as she's capable of being. Oh well...

As to coming close to the Queen - maybe JFK or MLK, but mainly due to the dire circumstances of their deaths. I'm old but not old enough to remember what happened with Rudolf Valentino - another extreme tragedy and mega-stardom was such a new thing... Abraham Lincoln?

Oh I'm happy to believe there never was nor will there ever be such an outpouring as for QEII. But eventually, I'm not sure she'll stand out in history as much as, well, Lincoln and MLK. She was good at being Queen, practical, devoted to her people, but hardly earth-shattering, imho, though I shouldn't say that yet.

Della,

If you're reading this I noticed yours is the most liked remarked in the NY Times article on Price William. You used the same argument their as you did on DL why being a working royal is a hard job and not always a walk in the park. As someone commented a balanced view of William's life of luxury and duty in a fishbowl.

The “Dump” troll.

The idea that Obama is the most famous man in the world is ridiculous. Outside of the USA people generally know who he is, but are indifferent to American politicians. Aside from Trump who produces a visceral response in anybody, not many of us pay that much attention to American politics. We know what is going on, but there is a distance and indifference.

We have our own politicians to worry about - people don't really think about overseas politicians. Some people don't even know who are the presidents/prime minsters of other countries. If you ask people in the street the majority would only know about the ones who are are scandalous in some way. Some people would know who Obama is but wouldn't really care and wouldn't know his policies or anything he's done in his career - only people who are interested in that stuff would know.

^^^ it's kind of like knowing who Oprah Winfrey is.

For goodness sakes, please name someone more famous than Obama. All of you say it's ridiculous, but won't put forward any name. EVERYONE outside the U.S. knows who he is. EVERYONE. Stop it.

Well it's Sir David Attenborough's death that's going to do me in.

I know, it's coming for us all.

New Thread.

The book is old news at this point

Me too, r596. Me too.

RIP Queenie!