Lesbians and masculinity

Because your not seeing the lipstick lezes

The butches stand out . They emulate each other .

Lots of straight women don’t have “feminine” facial features without long blonde hair and makeup

I know some gay women who are beautiful and feminine.

Many of the butches are being lost to the trans movement sadly.

[quote]I don't see a parallel with gays

You really never heard about the terms "gay voice" and "gay face", OP?

It's called "sex stereotype"

natural butches tend to have bigger titties. It's more of nature's joke.

the itty bitty titty committee tend to be femme poseurs when they claim butch and try to appear androgyne. ..

while fatties of all stripes tend to side with nonbinary while the anti-trans+++ lot will scream they are what real women look like without the male gaze and merely seeking to abolish gender which is patriarchy.. and desperately trying to look like the patriarchy because looking feminine attracts the patriarchy because masculinity is toxic but therefore because they're wiminin waman wombyn.. it's feminine though feminine and masculine are those terms of gender we're seeking to abolish.

Is there such a thing as a masculine Nut Loaf?

R1 is right. A group of ten lesbians could walk by you on the street that were half butchie and half lipstick and you'd only clock the butchie ones as lesbians on looks alone. It's confirmation bias. I mean it's not like gay guys and the "smells cookies" face, right?

My sister's a glamour lesbian like most of her friends. You just don't recognise them, OP. You only see the obvious like flaming gays. Masc gays escape you as well.

r10 Yet go to any Walmart in the south and you'd be convinced practically everyone was a lesbian.

R9 dry, flavorless, walnuts not chopped properly

That's not true. Most lesbians are feminine.

R11 Is she into butch women or other femmes?

OP? There are so many logical fallacies in your statement I can't even be bothered to list them. I'm sure you know what they are. I can only assume you're a shit-stirring troll.

But just for fun, let me flip one around for you -- since most gay male bottoms have small penises, is that Nature saying they were born to be bottoms?

See how that works?

Most of my lesbian friends are feminine ladies, OP. A few are butch. How many lesbians do you actually know, two?

Circle the hems, girls, OP is trying to tear us a part!

My husband (a straight man) has a related question. He says if he were gay he would want a masculine, hairy, manly man. If he were a lesbian he would want a super-pretty, girly woman. His point is that if he were a person who is attracted to the same gender, he would go for the ultra sterotype of that gender.

R21, My niece once said the same thing once as we were parked near a lesbian bar. She said if she were a lesbian she would look for the girliest of girls.

If only masculine women were lesbians, there would be only few lesbians in the whole world. How often do you see a butch woman? A few times in your lifetime. But then again, DL thinks any woman that doesn't look like a walking Barbie doll, is butch.

Perhaps some of them have more testosterone?

Maybe a similar reason to why gayface exists for gay men.

What r1 said.

same reason so many gay gays look "feminine"

r23 you don't visit many fly over states, do you? collegetowns?

know any post menopausal women? fat women?

I guess it's possible you're just sheltered, maybe a shut-in?

probably a wombynist - I mean, they take offense at everything and tend to be contrarian.

R28 What do fat and post menopausal women have to do with masculinity?

"I don't see a parallel with gays so what's up?" It's quite the opposite. It's easier to spot gay men. It's hard to tell if a woman is gay or not.

If I were a lesbian and wanted masculine, I would go straight and not settle for the imitation version.

Some comments seemed beside the point here. It's not in question that femme lesbians exist. The question is that if you claim you don't like men, you don't find them attractive and even detest them, why would you either become a caricature of a man or date women who are as manly as possible? I know many lesbians who fit this profile.

Because the stereotype of men is ease of life.

They wear clothes that suit their lifestyle. I'm a lesbian (not butch) and my interests skew 'masculine.'

Therefore, I'll wear leather pants while riding my motorcycle, and many lesbians cut their hair short so it doesn't get tangled. Maybe they have typically masculine jobs, so short hair is easier to manage. Many of my friends play sport so short hair is easier. Make up is a pain if you train a lot, or again - work a blue-collar job.

So it's not especially about copying men, more that there's a reason men dress the way they do for the lifestyle they have.

R33, I agree. Long hair takes a lot of work; just washing it and drying it every other day takes a chunk of time. Wearing dresses and skirts means more effort, more time; you have to shave regularly and probably lotion and maybe pantyhose, depending on where you work. Most of the clothes for women are binding and uncomfortable; especially if you don’t fit the normal female size range.

I’m 5”9, and a size 12; most female shirts, even in my size, barely goes past my belly button. I have no interest in my midriff being exposed, just because I reached above my head. Pants means I don’t need to shave my legs. Loafers means I’m comfortable, my shoes do not pinch and squeeze my feet. I love a good loafer and spend a lot on them. Short clean nails are a must for me; I hate the long garish fake ones; I was raised in a religious conservative household. That means loud noticeable makeup was not encouraged; I don’t wear makeup usually, but on the few occasions I do it’s flesh tone, no makeup makeup.

None of this has anything to do with looking like a man or being butch. Women, yes lesbians are women, dress for their lives. It’s not about look at me, being attractive or attracting attention; it’s about being comfortable. Not just in your body, but in your life.

[quote] I don't see a parallel with gays so what's up?

You have to be kidding.

The gay male community is filled with nelly men.

You need to get out more. You'll see it. (And you'll HEAR it, too.)

I find lesbians generally more attractive than straight women. And I'm not into butches. Lesbians just have this cool thing about them, that straight and even bi women lack.

r36

R32, that is the question of the hour . It’s bizarre to me

I believe that masculine lesbians despise their vaginas and reject all forms of femininity and gentleness as due to lack of self worth and possible sexual abuse as children.

It’s no coincidence that the most man hating lesbians tend to be the least attractive to say the least

And you rarely see an attractive femme with a stud bulldyke . It’s genuine curiosity as to why these types of lesbians go out of their way to look as ugly as possible and personality to match

They are on average a little different from normal women. That's why gay male celebs have wide child bearing hips...

I must admit, I've always wondered why many butch lesbians, who hate most anything to do with males, go so far out of their ways to look like men.

☝🏼 Puzzles the mind right?

They're actually going a step further these days: they're now becoming men, or trying to.

I've seen this happen among friends and acquaintances in recent years. One of them, who clearly had penis envy and haaaaaaated gay men, recently cut off her tits and is now going around as an enby.

My Great Aunt Ida was really a man. We didn’t find out until she died and we saw her death certificate.

"transitioning" to "non-binary" literally means nothing has changed except their pronouns.

R34 is like the lesbian version of the opening monologue from American Psycho.

R41 "And you rarely see an attractive femme with a stud bulldyke" That's bullshit

R49, unless stud is wealthy . Most real gay women are attracted to women, not a poorly dressed wannabe dude with an abrasive personality

Many gay men and lesbians are not necessarily gender nonconforming. Rather they aren't enslaved to gender stereotypes like straight people are. Gender stereotypes mainly exist for mating. Straight men are attracted to women who are soft and nurturing who they can protect. Straight women are attracted to men who are dominant and resilient who can protect them.

Gay men aren't attracted to women and lesbians aren't to men. So they have no reason to be overboard on ideas of masculinity and femininity. Straight people go overboard because they need to compete for mates and it becomes secondary nature after years. Bisexuals are even worse about it because many want to hide their homosexual side and present as straight. Hence why bisexual men act more hyper macho than straight men do.

So more straight woman would dress like dykes if they didn't want to attract men or fit in with other straight women. A lot of tomboys often grow up to be more feminine because of the fact they are attracted to the opposite sex. When they're little girls, they don't care about it. Same reason straight boys who are girly when young butch it up and deepen their voices once they notice girls

Gays and lesbians subconsciously know they don't need to do this and thus remain on the androgynous side. Not due to wanting to mimic the opposite sex

R50 Again, bullshit. I see unattractive butch women with hot femme ones, all the time

Sure, Jan or Jeff?

"I don't see a parallel with gays so what's up?"

You can't see the forest because you're a tree.

Trees don't have eyes.

But somehow they seem to be able to post on the internet.

Doesn't take much these days, I guess.

Often, lesbianics are basically men with vaginas and I love it.

What a shitty way to approach a thread on lesbians... One could easily ask a shit question why so many gay blokes are femmes. Fuck off with this thread OP.

Nothing at all wrong with butch women, and no need to analyse them this way. I've known plenty of both, butch or lipstick, or those in-between, and they're all above reproach and above your analysis from my concern.

Because they are lavender married to effeminate men

A thousand apologies to our butch, or somewhat masculine appearing lez sisters here on DL. This just smacks of ugliness to my sensibilities here. Pointless bitchery aside, and the general divisiveness which pervades, but can't we share some respect and solidarité?

So disappointing to me, as I cherish my butch lesbian friends, as well as my butch straight women friends.

ENOUGH with the gender expectations of others. FFS, if you're really a gay bloke, why do you care so very much how butch women present, or live their lives?

I hope an angry (and your worst stereotype of a butch bird) kicks your arse for this stupid thread.

Butch lesbians when they are mistaken for a lipstick lesbian

Well, I guess I'm a hetero female, who always dresses tomboy for comfort, attracted to gay men, and uncomfortable around most gay women, especially masculine women. Ahhh DL, the questions that come up here rankle the nerves and make one think.

[quote] since most gay male bottoms have small penises, is that Nature saying they were born to be bottoms?

That doesn't have the negative impact you think it does.

R61 Why are you uncomfortable around most gay women? They are the coolest people.

The OP is on to something though. Why is it that Butch Lesbians are sort of worshiped or even chased after in Lesbian culture over not butch? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Like how straight acting gay men tend to be more appealing then fem gay men. Gay men are attracted to masculinity but with lesbians, they dont do the same with femininity, they also seem to be attracted to masculinity.

And you have to actively work at it to be a butch lesbian. Cut your hair really short, buy clothes in men's stores etc. In contrast, Gay men who are fem usually cant help it and pretend to be more masculine like growing a beard, pretending to like watching sports.

Probably for the same reason some gays prefer to bring out their femininity. The clothes, the hair the make-up.

R64 It is other way around, and it has already been explained in this thread. Lipstick lesbians are worshipped and chased after. Most lesbians are into feminine women. Almost all butch women are into lipstick lesbians, almost all tomboys are into lipstick lesbians and most lipstick lesbians these days are also into other lipstick lesbians. So you clearly have no idea what you are talking about

[quote] Why is it that Butch Lesbians are sort of worshiped or even chased after in Lesbian culture over not butch?

They are not. It's the other way around.

Single butch lesbians are a dime a dozen compared to femme lesbians--all other things being equal.

But why do femme lesbians even date butch lesbians? Doesnt being lesbianic mean that masculine people are a turn-off for them?

And why do lesbians love dildos that resemble penises?

The mind boggles at the contradictions.

R68 Why do gay men date feminine men? Shouldn't they be into masculinity? And dildos don't resemble penises. They are the shape that fits in the vagina canal

I have a very utilitarian and practical approach to my look. It just so happens that the vast majority of clothing, accessories, etc. for women are the antithesis of that.

I had a "femme" phase for about 4 years and it was exhausting. I had to wake up an hour earlier just to "put my face on." I had to get shellac/gel on my nails, which I had to keep short because I play an instrument, because chipped polish is a pet peeve of mine, that got expensive. The pants were suffocating and most didn't have pockets. And because I'm mildly OCD, if I'm going to do something, I'm determined to do it correctly. So, I became very particular about being "in season" with fashion, properly accessorizing, and wearing colors that complemented my "undertones," I basically turned into Blair Waldorf from Gossip Girl when it came to fashion and it was the most exhausting, impractical, and vapid 4 years of my existence.

I've always been a tomboy but wanted to just try something "new." The proverbial nail in the coffin was the attention I was getting from men which is something I, personally, cannot handle or stand. The bottom line, I dress for comfort and convenience. It just so happens that men's and masculine fashion caters more to that need. Perhaps women's fashion designers should take note and change that.

[quote]Why do gay men date feminine men? Shouldn't they be into masculinity? And dildos don't resemble penises. They are the shape that fits in the vagina canal

Most gay men do prefer masculine men. Fem guys have a hard time actually attracting other men. Seems like butch Lesbians dont have this issue. Every butch lesbian I have even know from work and social groups all have a partner.

Also if you think dildos don't resemble penises, then you have never seen one. There's a reason dildos are not advertised on TV in front of kids. They resemble a penis.

In "Rubyfruit Jungle", Rita Mae Browne's lesbian coming of age novel. the young Molly Bolt goes into a lesbian bar, where she sees all these butch, masculine women. She's repelled by them; her view is that the whole point of being a lesbian is that you love WOMEN. And that if she wanted a man she'd get a real one, not a woman who looks like one. She was totally correct; if you're into women, why would you want to be with a woman who looks and acts like a man?

And yet most famous lesbians in history look, dress like men of the time. Pants were not always something woman could wear and be considered feminine.

R66, without question. And the butches hate them for the rejection and because deep down, butches hate women and themselves

R72, most true sexual gay women want a feminine lady . The political lesbians are another animal. A lot of these lesbians that are so repulsive and obnoxious are pretty much asexual

R71, so? They add to the vagina pleasure , with oral being even greater Ecstasy. The question I have for you is a penis meant for the rectum?

[quote][R50] Again, bullshit. I see unattractive butch women with hot femme ones, all the time

90% of the time, those "hot femme ones" the butch lesbians are with are bisexual. From my experience, femme lesbians typically want other femme lesbians.

I'm masculine presenting, and that's one of the catch-22s. While presenting this way (mostly) wards off straight men, it also tends to ward off femme lesbians. The advances of men make me very [bold]very[/bold] uncomfortable...as in, abnormally so (I acknowledge this). It's a long story, but I just get a feeling of deep sadness and discomfort when they do it. So, I'm not comfortable being feminine. I prefer to be "ugly" so they, specifically, will leave me alone. A drawback? Gorgeous women also leave me alone, lol.

I've since just given up.

This thread is as divisive as the frequent threads trying to shame "femme" gay men. ("I'm a gay man...I want to date a REAL man. If I date a femme man, then I might as well date a woman.") Apparently 99 percent of DLers are macho, manly dudebros.). The difference between those threads and this one? In those threads, self-loathing gay men try to marginalize a subset of their own kind. In this thread, gay men are trying to pit gay women against each other. The truth is femme and butch lesbians are civil to each other (except for on Lchat).

All this talk equating butch or more masculine appearing lesbians to unfortunate looking women is a load of 💩 as well. There are lots of athletic good-looking lesbians with fit bodies, classic preppy clothes, though they may be unadorned with make up, fussy hair, or other trappings considered femme. I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

There's something to be said for fit women, with good skin, shiny hair, and a healthy glow about them, despite all the nonsense I'm reading in this thread.

More importantly, why are lesbians always fighting?

[quote] 90% of the time, those "hot femme ones" the butch lesbians are with are bisexual. From my experience, femme lesbians typically want other femme lesbians.

This is true.

[quote] So more straight woman would dress like dykes if they didn't want to attract men or fit in with other straight women

If there were no men on earth, there would be no make up, razors, breast implants, plastic surgery, hair coloring, ridiculous shoes and so on, for straight women. They’d all look like hippies.

Joan of Arc wore pants in prison so she'd be less likely to be raped.

Draw your conclusions from that.

R71 "Most gay men do prefer masculine men" And most gay women prefer feminine women. It's already been said here a couple of times. What is so hard to understand? And dildos resembling penises? It's almost like the mother nature made penises that way so they would fit perfectly into vaginas. What do you want lesbians to pleasure themselves with? Dildos that resemble cubes or pyramids? They buy dildos cause they go into vagina easily which then makes them fell good, not because they remind them of dicks. Jesus, like talking to 12 year olds.

What’s with all the anti lesbian posts lately??

Why are lesbians so cruel?

[quote]Also if you think dildos don't resemble penises, then you have never seen one.

And fleshlights are specifically designed to mimic the vagina. Some are even molds of actual porn star vaginas. But that doesn't stop gay men from using them nor do most of them give a shit. There is not female attached to a fleshlight just like there is no man attached to a dildo.

This is common damn sense, sir.

R82, gay women who are truly gay, are attracted to femininity. Just not the Kim kardasian look and her ilk

[quote]How often do you see a butch woman? A few times in your lifetime.

I grew up in rural Ohio, so I'd see one about every half hour.

[quote]And fleshlights are specifically designed to mimic the vagina. Some are even molds of actual porn star vaginas. But that doesn't stop gay men from using

News Flash: Gay men dont use those, it's a straight guy thing...pretending it's a vagina. 🤮

You may wanna start a poll on that one, r90 lol.

[quote]How often do you see a butch woman? A few times in your lifetime.

Have you been to Long Beach CA? It's lesbo central. Every year they have a "woman only" march which is basically all lesbians, then the pride pride parade two days later which ALWAYS has to start of with Dykes on Bikes. Then the LGBT pride festival which which is run almost entirely by old butch lesbians. A few years ago before Covid it two woman running pride got in a physical fist fight and police had to be called. I call that butch.

theyr red neck creeps/

Why are so many gay men brining out their feminine side?

To make it juicier perhaps?

SOME Gay men are borne that way, it's not something the "bring out". If anything, there are more who finally feel safe enough to drop the butch dude act and be themselves without fear of violence. But I dont know any gay men who purposely act more fem unless it's for camp type humor.

I’ve always wondered this too. I realize this is completely anecdotal, but it does seem like the average gay man is much better looking than the average lesbian. But it could very well just be that I’m not seeing the hot lesbians.

The average gay man is not better looking, I know a lot of fugly gay men. That's really an old cliche about gay men. If anything, you might see that gay men tend to take better care of their looks than straight men. Doing so is considered a fem trait. So to no surprise those gays who take it way beyond the earths natural limit also tend to be the most fem in the crowd.

The converse is true for lesbians. With the tendency towards butchness comes the lack of interest in good skin care, hair style, good manners and fashion. The more fem a lesbian, the more "traditionally" beautiful they tend to be.

[quote] The more fem a lesbian, the more "traditionally" beautiful they tend to be.

Oh my sides!

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

R92 That's still a very small number

R77 Bullshit. I know a lot of bi women that are only into femmes. And a lot of femme lesbians that are into butches.

[quote]Bullshit. [bold]I know a lot of[/bold]

...Ok?

[quote]From my experience,

...

[quote]But just for fun, let me flip one around for you -- since most gay male bottoms have small penises, is that Nature saying they were born to be bottoms?

I believe that the poster didn't mean to say that lesbians don't need titties cause tits are men's toys, but that it is ironic that butch lesbians who try to look and act like men were endowed with big tits.

I know butch lesbians who had them cut off. Oh I mean "removed" because they get in the way. No cancer.

[quote]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Well, no it's not. In the advertising world there are certain looks that sell products. High cheekbones, symmetrical faces, small noses, full lips, etc. That's what is meant by "traditional beauty". A woman who walks into the room and 90% would say wow, she's beautiful. Not some ugly dog you just have a fetish for. Good for you, everyone needs someone, maybe she even turns you on but that's not what is considered classic beauty.

[quote]and many lesbians cut their hair short so it doesn't get tangled. Maybe they have typically masculine jobs, so short hair is easier to manage

It is really not about the short hair. Feminine women are equally feminine and attractive with short hair, pretty girls even more cause it pronounces their facial features (think about Halle Berry or Lady Diana). Just as there was nothing effeminate about guys from Guns and roses because of long hairs.

You people that connect hairstyle with femininity/masculinity are really provincial.

[quote]My husband (a straight man) has a related question. He says if he were gay he would want a masculine, hairy, manly man. If he were a lesbian he would want a super-pretty, girly woman. His point is that if he were a person who is attracted to the same gender, he would go for the ultra sterotype of that gender.

Lesbians could say the same about your husband. If they were a straight man they would go for ultrafeminine, sweet and pretty girl that is so much easier for a straight men to catch, because of abundance of straight women and not some frau DLer.

Oh for fuck sake, short hair on woman usually signals Lesbo. Yes, a lot of straight woman have short hair. There's a certain cut that lesbians go for that is not just short. But guess what, I happen to know two straight woman with short hair styles and BOTH were assumed to be gay. On was hit on right in front of me, the other was called names at a couples resort.

I get gay men are sexually attracted to men, R190, and that's fine. But it's bizarre how gay men make out vaginas are repulsive, but will happily insert your tongue, fingers or penis into another man's shit pipe..

I get gay men are sexually attracted to men, [R90], and that's fine. But it's bizarre how gay men make out vaginas are repulsive, but will happily insert your tongue, fingers or penis into another man's shit pipe..

[quote]And dildos don't resemble penises. They are the shape that fits in the vagina canal

Honey, the thing that fits in vagina canal is penis.

[quote]I get gay men are sexually attracted to men, [[R90]], and that's fine.

Thank god.

You really needed to post that homophobic garbage twice, R110?

R108 To most people "hot = beautiful" And if you're in love, you perceive your significant other as far more attractive than they actually are. While I agree there are universal aspects of beauty mainly related to symmetry, health, youth and fertility. Most people aren't sitting around analyzing the science of beauty. Most people think whoever they are intensely attracted to is beautiful. Regardless of if that person is conventional or not. Most people also think their children or pets are the most beautiful ever.

Also there's many people who are beautiful objectively who just aren't sexually attractive. A lot of sexual attraction is charisma and confidence. Nice and funny people get laid a lot for instance. Human attraction is very complex.

Sorry, 116 is meant for R106

[quote]I happen to know two straight woman with short hair styles and BOTH were assumed to be gay. On was hit on right in front of me, the other was called names at a couples resort.

Gee, where do you live?

You guys still don't get it. Lesbians are repulsed by men and penises, and yet, they still love dildos that are modeled after penises. Use a cucumber, for God's sake.

[quote]Honey, the thing that fits in vagina canal is penis.

[quote]You guys still don't get it. Lesbians are repulsed by men and penises, and yet, they still love dildos that are modeled after penises. Use a cucumber, for God's sake.

The only demographic sincerely bothered by what women are or are not fucking are straight incels which is what you're starting to come off as with this nonsense. A gay man couldn't care less how women of any orientation are getting off. This is an odd thing for a so-called gay man to be concerned with. Just saying.

By the way, femme doesn't necessarily mean beautiful.

[quote]This is an odd thing for a so-called gay man to be concerned with. Just saying.

You don't seem to get it. Gay men don't get off with some sex toy that looks like a women's breast for example. Or smoothed out so we can clam it not really a breast shape. Dildos are meant to look like a man's penis. For straight or bi woman to get off on this it makes sense, for lesbians it does not.

I really don't think it's odd for lesbians to get off using a fake penis. The penis is designed to go into the vagina. They aren't imaging men while pleasuring themselves or each other. Women have clitorises.

Gay men don't need a fake pussy because the ass (with lube) and mouth is sufficient enough.

r121 Again, why do you, a supposed gay man, give a fuck how women, lesbians or not, are getting themselves off? That's what doesn't make sense, here. The arguments you are using about lesbians are textbook for pissed straight incel who can't stand that even more women exist who won't fuck him. This is not a normal topic for a sincerely gay man to concern himself with. So, I'm not entirely sure you're a reliable source for what sex toys "all gay men" use to get themselves off, either.

Everything about you is weird, here, sir.

To top this off, to say some mess like "the thing that fits in vagina canal is penis" is homophobic to gay men as well which is also what makes you sus. You're, inversely, implying that men should be fucking vagina "just because it fits." Do you not see the problem and double-standard? You're seriously trying to police women's bodies and how they choose to get off. Another straight incel tactic.

"Muh...if you don't like dick then why are you using dick-shaped dildos??" As if we haven't heard that homophobic bullshit before. Dildos aren't men you goddamn moron. You are. We don't want you or that sad and, no doubt neglected, appendage swinging between your legs. Deal with it.

Some people on this site are weird and stupid or trolls that think they're funny. I'm a gay man and even I understand why lesbians use dildos because the clitoris has to be stimulated by penetration and the penis shape is best designed for that. Are lesbians not supposed to climax now? It has nothing to do with wanting a real penis attached to a man. By that logic straight men who use butt flashlights are gay.

And to further my point, obviously men, straight or gay, don't even need fake vaginas or assholes to climax. The penis is external and easily can be pleasured using a hand and some lube. It takes men a much shorter time to come. It's a bit harder to women to pleasure themselves with just their hands and the process can take longer, so not as comfortable.

The DL has really become troll center or worse , the LGB self loathers and outside haters taking over this site .

[quote]the clitoris has to be stimulated by penetration

It doesn't actually. That's just one way it can be. Not all lesbians prefer this method, either.

[quote]Again, why do you, a supposed gay man, give a fuck how women, lesbians or not, are getting themselves off?

Why the do lesbians even come here in the first place? Its not an LGBT board. It's for gay men and their followers. If it's too hot in here then get out of the kitchen.

Who said it is only for gay men? I never heard that.

*clitoris has to be stimulated by penetration" What??

"DataLounge was launched by Mediapolis, Inc. in May 1995. During the site's early years, content included gay-oriented news, gossip, links to other sites/services, and editorial content, making it a gay web portal. .....gay gossip,politics and pointless bichery"

The tongue 👅 does so much for clitoral bliss

[quote]R34 None of this has anything to do with looking like a man or being butch. Women, yes lesbians are women, dress for their lives. It’s not about look at me, being attractive or attracting attention; it’s about being comfortable. Not just in your body, but in your life.

I agree with your post. If a woman is going to spend the evening alone at home, she doesn’t shave her legs and haul out the makeup kit. Those things are to attract approval from others.

The lesbians I know are more natural, in a “see me for the way I am” kind of way. There’s less artifice, more of a relaxed and stripped down appearance. They want a deeper, more natural connection.

A few of my lesbian friends enjoy makeup and frilly things when they go to an event, but it’s almost like a flirty, sex play thing. It’s a part of them, but not their whole day, every day.

"DataLounge was launched by Mediapolis, Inc. in May 1995. During the site's early years, content included gay-oriented news, gossip, links to other sites/services, and editorial content, making it a gay web portal. .....gay gossip,politics and pointless bichery"

In 1995 the word gay was often used to include lesbians and bisexuals. At times it still is used that way. I head Brandi Carlile on the radio recently and she referred to herself as gay.

[quote] It's for gay men and their followers.

As if you have any followers.

I wish all or most lesbians were masculine. Then I wouldn't falling for them all the time.

Yes, R114. If gay men can spout their misogynistic, ignorant filth about female bodies and post puking smilies, then I see no reason why I can't point out that the male rectum is a literal shit pipe.

Or simply calling lesbians “dykes”. Alright, touché. ^

Why is dyke used on here liberally , while the F word is shunned?

I don’t know, it’s weird.

Lesbians aren’t even referred to as “lesbians” here.

Someone does use “f-ggot” a lot here, but they always sign their post as “Matt Damion”.

Because it's okay to use slurs against women, cunt R139.

My best friends are lesbians (2 different couples.) They’re very accepting, supportive, and non competitive. I can relax around them.

They’re also feminist (each to a different degree) which means they’ve spent time looking at the world and measuring how what we do and say effects each other. A lot of men never invest in developing that broader view.

They sound like bundles of fun R144

They are! I’d never have friends who didn’t make me laugh.

☝🏼🙌. Gay women are a lot of fun in groups . They make barbecues / movie night parties so warm and lively . They even have accommodations for vegan 🌭 and 🍔 on separate grill of course.. the movies are projected on a big screen outside. Such bliss

^^ 🍆🍆🍌🤞🥳😇🥳👿

R148,☝🏼 I should have added this was for everyone, not just gay women . Variety is the spice of life .

[quote]R148 the movies are projected on a big screen outside. Such bliss

So funny you mention that. One couple has the kind of huge, pull down screen that has cable connected to it for watching movies, the others have an enormous flatscreen TV.

Strangely, they both have apple trees in their back yards, too. I make apple crisps at their houses.