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Why are so many people with autism full of hate and rage?

It’s either overt or passive aggressive. They scare me

by Anonymousreply 153August 28, 2022 1:09 AM

I think it’s because they know what politeness is - they learned growing up. But they don’t know how to respond to subtlety critical comments and may find it hard to have a friend group to vent to. So there’s no little vents, just large ones. Angry outbursts instead of subdued sarcasm.

I think there would be a lot of benefit from social clubs for people who struggle with this.

by Anonymousreply 1August 24, 2022 2:56 PM

Autistic people have a hard time communicating and expressing themselves clearly. It can be very frustrating for them and who they're communicating with.

by Anonymousreply 2August 24, 2022 2:57 PM

Autism is brain damage

by Anonymousreply 3August 24, 2022 3:21 PM

They have trouble expressing themselves and it's very hard on them when others don't understand.

Not all people with autism are this way. Some are very sweet. I've found some are very sensitive to tone and react strongly, so speaking calm and gently is the way to deescalate.

by Anonymousreply 4August 24, 2022 3:26 PM

living in a world/society that isn't made for you?

by Anonymousreply 5August 24, 2022 3:32 PM

They aren’t beaten enough by their parents for mouthing off.

by Anonymousreply 6August 24, 2022 3:32 PM

Difficulty expressing themselves.

Frustration at what they perceive as misunderstanding them or intentional disregard for them.

Narcissism - they think the world should accommodate them, rather than making adjustments themselves.

Anger and hurt at mistreatment or perceived mistreatment by others.

by Anonymousreply 7August 24, 2022 3:39 PM

Many autistic teens ( especially females) are wrongly diagnosed with borderline personality. Similar traits I guess

by Anonymousreply 8August 24, 2022 3:41 PM

Because most people can’t stand to be around them, OP. It makes you bitter and frustrated to never have anyone who wants to listen to you or talk to you. Or even make you feel included in a group setting.

Spending your entire lifetime outside of normal human relationships is defeating and embittering at the same time. Especially when you can see other people don’t have to live that way, other people have supportive families and relationships, which is how people blow off steam normally. So instead, they’re venting inappropriately at strangers and acquaintances.

Try to imagine spending an entire lifetime outside of most basic human experiences. The older you get, the more apparent it is to others that you’re not hitting the milestones that would be normal for your age, and the more of an outsider you are. This is what abortion is for.

by Anonymousreply 9August 24, 2022 3:41 PM

[quote]This is what abortion is for.

How do you mean? As far as I know, there isn't a test to know that the unborn baby will be autistic.

by Anonymousreply 10August 24, 2022 3:45 PM

[R9] What about homosexuality? People can say or have said the same thing about us.

by Anonymousreply 11August 24, 2022 3:48 PM

R11 Not that poster but most gay people are neurotypical and engage fine in most ways. They either successfully stay closeted or find gay partners anyway.

by Anonymousreply 12August 24, 2022 3:50 PM

You can be autistic and gay.

by Anonymousreply 13August 24, 2022 4:00 PM

Aspies annoy the fuck out of me. There is something seriously off about them .

by Anonymousreply 14August 24, 2022 4:33 PM

R10, if there was, almost every parent would abort that kid. What I meant is, there’s no point in bringing people into the world who are never going to be able to assimilate. Call it eugenics all you want, but it’s even less fun for the individual than it is for everyone else. You only have to deal with them sometimes, but for them, it’s wherever you go, there you are.

by Anonymousreply 15August 24, 2022 5:11 PM

R15, exactly

by Anonymousreply 16August 24, 2022 5:43 PM

It seems like it is eugenics. Autistic people are being trained and sterilized. I sometimes wonder if that is part of the push by the gov. A lot of these people won't be able to take care of themselves once their families die off.

by Anonymousreply 17August 24, 2022 5:54 PM

In part because you pay attention to the louder ones, while the more quiet ones simply exist. I'm mildly autistic myself, and many in my family are also. Autistic people can be prone to awful "meltdowns" but many if us work hard to take responsibility for our actions and function as well as we can. My meltdowns take the form of intense crying spells, and when I was younger they were more frequent and involved hitting myself. Despite this, they almost never occurred in front of others, and I've never used overwhelming feelings as an excuse to lash out. I work in a technological field wuth many other autists, and there is much less drama than at previous workplaces. Nobody has to befriend autists, and unfortunately some people will always struggle significantly just to function in society, but many of us are capable of working with others and living fulfilling lives. Also, while the autism=genius thing is flagrant bullshit, autistic people have made significant contributions to science and the arts. Many of your favorite musicians and directors are probably on the spectrum, as well as many of the people that develop the technology that we use every day. The world would be better off of some of you nasty haters were crushed by Tenple Grandin's hugbox, rather than eliminating autistic people

by Anonymousreply 18August 24, 2022 6:25 PM

R18 *Temple

by Anonymousreply 19August 24, 2022 6:26 PM

Something is very wrong with all their nerve systems. They are worse than downies but their normal looks are deceiving.

by Anonymousreply 20August 24, 2022 6:29 PM

I’m wary of letting them in to my life . You can’t trust them . And r18 is full of crap . Typical of these people

by Anonymousreply 21August 24, 2022 8:44 PM

My hag had an Aspberger’s boss, a fraucunt atty. She apparently would fart in her office all day long, not a care in the world.

by Anonymousreply 22August 24, 2022 9:23 PM

R22, they are prone to gastrointestinal problems

by Anonymousreply 23August 24, 2022 9:29 PM

We had an Aspie in our yoga class who stunk the whole studio up with her awful farts.

by Anonymousreply 24August 24, 2022 9:45 PM

These people should be punished. I think they’re all full of shit, quite frankly.

by Anonymousreply 25August 24, 2022 9:53 PM

Why is OP a Nazi?

by Anonymousreply 26August 24, 2022 9:56 PM

R26, what a retort. You are brilliant 🤣.

by Anonymousreply 27August 24, 2022 10:42 PM

It’s all these geriatric fathers with their expired sperm making these weirdo kids.

by Anonymousreply 28August 24, 2022 10:51 PM

And possible trauma in womb r28. Autistic people generally ( lol) don’t connect to other people. This is not a betterment for society

by Anonymousreply 29August 24, 2022 10:54 PM

I swear most of DL is on the spectrum. Including OP.

It lines up statistically. Autism is more prevalent in males.

by Anonymousreply 30August 24, 2022 10:58 PM

R30, that would be plausible considering how cruel so many can be here

by Anonymousreply 31August 25, 2022 12:26 AM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 32August 25, 2022 12:48 AM

But anti-socials can be smooth as silk around other people - and secretly vicious and sometimes murderous. Expert Robert Hare thinks 4% of the population are psychopaths. Ted Bundy was a good-looking, likeable guy.

Psychopathy is also hereditary and can result from brain damage. They're worse than autism spectrum folks, generally speaking, though I'm sure the conditions can overlap - but without the smooth, con-artist presentation.

Should we kill all of them if we can pick it up on a brain scan. (btw, lots of psychopaths in law and medicine - they make great surgeons because people bleeding out or dying on the table don't even raise their blood pressure - they don't care)

by Anonymousreply 33August 25, 2022 12:54 AM

R33, ☝🏼 Autistics who can communicate always bring up what aboutism . Higher functioning autistics don’t feel much either except their own discomfort

by Anonymousreply 34August 25, 2022 12:59 AM

I know they're unempathetic and cold, but I always thought psychopathy (antisocial PD) had an element of sadism - not usually found in autism.

Just armchair psychology though - I really don't know. And I'm sure there's a huge range for every mental or personality disorder.

by Anonymousreply 35August 25, 2022 1:07 AM

Real Psychopaths are not particularly reliable so probably more surgeons and CEOs are malignant narrissists. 6% of the people are narcissists and 3 or 4% are psychopaths. It comes out to about 19 million people walking around without a conscious.

by Anonymousreply 36August 25, 2022 1:07 AM

Maybe because Autism is very related to environmental toxins that fuck things up in vitro. If I was Autistic i'd be mad at the man too. My whole family is weird and I may be too. Being born and raised in Runcorn England, Runcorn is Englands Galveston, in that the Chemical plants dominate the skyline. Pouring out untold unknown and unmentionable toxins into the environment. They have permeated the whole area with compounds that nobody really knows what they do. The Manufacturing of the these compounds, organochloride compounds are used in PVC, plastics, fertilizers and tons of other things.This kind of chemistry open world experimentation began in such places on a mass scale a couple of generations ago.. The Big chem companies have been getting away with this forever. They made mustard gas in ww1 for instance then dumped it in the marshes around the village when they did't know what to do with it. The Area has so many Autistic people the local mall has a special room just for them. Count your blessings that you're not one of the affected and try to have empathy.

by Anonymousreply 37August 25, 2022 1:33 AM

That’s terrible, R36. And the worst part is it sounds like the locals just think, let’s just accommodate these people and forget why it happened.

by Anonymousreply 38August 25, 2022 1:42 AM

R37 This is interesting but are rates of autism really higher in Runcorn? I tried to find some evidence but couldn't. Just because there's a special room in a mall doesn't necessarily mean that rates are higher. Would like some evidence?

by Anonymousreply 39August 25, 2022 1:51 AM

Runcorn sounds cute. Sorry it’s a shithole.

by Anonymousreply 40August 25, 2022 1:57 AM

R39 That is all likely however statistics are model of reality not reality itself. I have never been to another mall with an Autism room for example. Also the power of these companies is not to be underestimated. They have the means and motive and ability to do things such as scrubbing negative data. We are Talking about global conglomerates such as ICI, Unilever, Etc. Runcorn isn't a shit hole really it is o.k. it has it's attributes.

by Anonymousreply 41August 25, 2022 2:38 AM

Because the world keeps serving them BROKENED CHEESEBURGERS, obviously.

by Anonymousreply 42August 25, 2022 3:04 AM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 43August 25, 2022 5:28 AM

Where does autism research stand? What's the current consensus on cause(s)? Genuine questions because I've heard so many different ideas on this. I had a professor in graduate school who taught that autism stemmed from father issues, but that's not correct. I've experienced a few rage filled autistics and I felt it came from being bullied or outcastes but who knows?

by Anonymousreply 44August 25, 2022 5:43 AM

R45, a lot of it stems from jealousy. They don’t have normal feelings

by Anonymousreply 45August 25, 2022 5:55 AM

The ignorance here is astounding. OP is an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 46August 25, 2022 5:57 AM

r46 Been here long?

by Anonymousreply 47August 25, 2022 5:59 AM

They’re trans.

by Anonymousreply 48August 25, 2022 6:00 AM

R46, is autistic

by Anonymousreply 49August 25, 2022 6:03 AM

They should shape up or ship out.

by Anonymousreply 50August 25, 2022 6:31 AM

Nixon Now!

by Anonymousreply 51August 25, 2022 6:55 AM

Jeez there are some fucking awful people on this thread. If it’s any consolation for you shit for brain idiots, most of the nasty things you say about those with autism, many people think the same as you for being gay. They would prefer that you were aborted, they would prefer never to have to engage with you, never to have to work along side you. .

Think about that for a minute you vile idiots, then go look for a single brain cell to match the one in your head.

by Anonymousreply 52August 25, 2022 7:45 AM

R52, is melting down with rage 😡! Ha ha you. defect

by Anonymousreply 53August 25, 2022 7:49 AM

They say it how it is, without filter. We use politeness and decorum as ways to manipulate and guide conflicts, confrontations and conversations. We try to diffuse, try not to offend, try not to escalate a tense encounter any further. They just stick to their guns without considering the ramifications for themselves and others. That's how they are wired.

by Anonymousreply 54August 25, 2022 7:57 AM

R53 Don't be too proud to ask for help, you need it.

by Anonymousreply 55August 25, 2022 9:52 AM

R44 No-one really knows, which is why I don't like seeing people claiming that it's due to chemicals without evidence to support it, compelling or not (remember what happened wrt the Andrew Wakefield vaccine theory - people passing off their hypothesis as fact).

I think that the current thinking is mostly that it's probably due to genes but that hasn't been proven.

by Anonymousreply 56August 25, 2022 2:02 PM

Why is OP the dumbest cunt that ever lived?

by Anonymousreply 57August 25, 2022 2:08 PM

I work with a female autist and nobody can stand her. I think she broke through the earth’s crust on her ascension from hell just to terrorise anyone with the misfortune to be employed alongside her. Passive aggressive (slams cupboards, keyboards etc when she believes she is working harder than everyone else. Overly competitive. Always trying to flex her “intellect” on anyone around. Condescending. Bad hygiene. No empathy. Always on the cross about something. Fuck you Shannon I hope you choke.

by Anonymousreply 58August 25, 2022 2:15 PM

I came across this recently which may explain some of it - autistic people are hypo-mentalisers, meaning that they underthink about what other people may be experiencing or communicating to them and are driven by their own needs and wants more than others are.

"autistic thinking

Autistic thinking refers to a cognitive progress that is not in accordance with consensus reality, but rather emphasizes preoccupation with inner experiences and needs. See also § dereistic thinking. More generally, it means thinking that is driven by internally oriented wishes and desires regardless of external factors"

by Anonymousreply 59August 25, 2022 2:19 PM

[quote] Autism is very related to environmental toxins that fuck things up in vitro. If I was Autistic i'd be mad at the man too. My whole family is weird and I may be too. Being born and raised in Runcorn England, Runcorn is Englands Galveston, in that the Chemical plants dominate the skyline. Pouring out untold unknown and unmentionable toxins into the environment. They have permeated the whole area with compounds that nobody really knows what they do. The Manufacturing of the these compounds, organochloride compounds are used in PVC, plastics, fertilizers and tons of other things.This kind of chemistry open world experimentation began in such places on a mass scale a couple of generations ago.. The Big chem companies have been getting away with this forever. They made mustard gas in ww1 for instance then dumped it in the marshes around the village when they didn't know what to do with it.

Interesting. Sometimes the thought crosses my mind that my rural-born and raised father (clearly NPD and autistic, combined with likely PTSD) and his many siblings as well as myself were affected similarly by the ingestion of unregulated pesticides and herbicides liberally soaked all over British farmland in the West of the country from the 1960s/70s onward, as well as enormous electric pylons emitting their smog strung right the way across the countryside. At the least, it's known that all those untested and powerful chemicals decimated certain fish, animal and plant species, so goodness knows what they've done to the human genome via consumptions. Having to breathe all that poison and make skin contact with it, as well as eat food grown from it...doesn't bear thinking about too much.

In me there are a few distinct traits of autism, though I'd sooner call myself avoidant and traumatised by having an ASD father rather than having full-blown ASD myself. Being female and well-socialised and a generation removed, I do mask and function better emotionally than Pops. There are many people from my home county who I'd describe as weird and socially-backward--perhaps that's how the stereotype of the backward, Deliverance-style bumpkin arises? Toxicity...

Recently, I read that nowhere on Earth is rainwater safe enough to drink or bathe in anymore, due to PFAS pollution. Every drop of 'fresh' water on Earth must be cleaned and filtered before we can touch or consume it. It's deeply fucked up, what we've done to this biome. We're in the Anthropocene now, and I suppose there's little left that may be done about it.

[quote] “You’ve seen where this efficiency of yours leads. Wholesale pollution of the countryside. Devilish creatures spawned by the filthy by-products of your technology. Men walking around like brainless vegetables. Death. Disease. Destruction.” – Doctor Who: 'The Green Death' (1973)

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by Anonymousreply 60August 25, 2022 2:45 PM

R60 That's just a theory. Do you have evidence to support it? If it's true in the case of Runcorn then we should have a higher rate of autism occurring there.

by Anonymousreply 61August 25, 2022 2:54 PM

R61 no, clearly I don't have source evidence and it wasn't my point to begin with, someone else brought it up. In concurrence with you, all I said was that it was interesting to consider as a possible theory, and may track with my anecdotal experience.

by Anonymousreply 62August 25, 2022 3:07 PM

R58, she sounds like a nightmare

by Anonymousreply 63August 25, 2022 3:13 PM

R62 It sounds like conspiracy crap to me and you sound like a massive fraucunt with your whole NPD, PSTD, blah blah crap too. People band around those terms like confetti with no proper psych diagnosis and understanding of those conditions as well. I honestly wish that people had better scientific education in general.

by Anonymousreply 64August 25, 2022 3:13 PM

No I think it's the gut bacteria thing. It's why they have more have gastrointestinal problems. They have more harmful bacteria types living in their gut tract, affecting the brain. Like how serotonin is made in the intestine.

That's why they have fewer symptoms when they have the fever because the harmful gut bacteria is dying down in the body heat.

We need lots of probiotics and something about our environment is killing off the good for human bacteria.

I mean that's not only it, but it is part of it.

Sometimes I wonder if maybe it's a failsafe to slow us down and stop us from destroying ourselves but no, it couldn't be that.

by Anonymousreply 65August 25, 2022 3:35 PM

R64 alright, since you're so well-informed, why not post primers and information which you deem correct? Why not set us all straight?

That way, you'd be disseminating truth and dismantling falsehoods as you perceive them, and provided you have your facts right as you claim, might actually move us all forward and contribute to the thread in some meaningful way beyond bitching about how everyone but you is wrong. I suspect you won't bother, though, even if you ought.

by Anonymousreply 66August 25, 2022 3:37 PM

I concur.

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by Anonymousreply 67August 25, 2022 3:40 PM

After I got vaccinated with a covid vaccine I received my autism in adulthood.

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by Anonymousreply 68August 25, 2022 3:45 PM

Why does it have to be up to the People who live in the chemical alleys and pesticide herbicide soaked farmlands to prove there theories.They look around them and see people with cancer Autism and other defects and they say hmm why do we have this here and not over there were there is no farming or manufacturing. The Manufacturers are making them not from the goodness of there hearts but for financial gain. When someone comes along with a scientifically based ivory tower superior, you magical thinking idiot, you need proof perspective i say this is flipping the onerous of responsibility onto the experimentee's. It is a flaw with the system perpetuated by academia and supported by self ego inflating. I realize this perspective taken to an extreme is dangerous also. I do believe and am very thankful for vaccines and science generally but to mistake science for certainty is an error in my judgement.

by Anonymousreply 69August 25, 2022 4:12 PM

As was leaving a comma out of that last sentence.

by Anonymousreply 70August 25, 2022 4:14 PM

autism = ape dna

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by Anonymousreply 71August 25, 2022 4:19 PM

It’s weird that there’s still only one word to describe everyone from the (deeply loathed by all, even if no one admits it) head-banging non-verbal 5-y-o autist to the anime trans autists to the stony, oblivious, tech autists. It just doesn’t seem like one thing.

by Anonymousreply 72August 25, 2022 4:24 PM

What the hell R69! I've worked with non-verbal, Autistic Fragile X syndrome people who made more sense.

by Anonymousreply 73August 25, 2022 4:31 PM

Most autistics are mentally slow

by Anonymousreply 74August 25, 2022 4:31 PM

R72 yes, that's never made sense to me, either.

Further, I think that males or females never have displayed 'autism' in the same ways, and should have separate disorder classifications.

by Anonymousreply 75August 25, 2022 4:38 PM

R75 wymin apparently "mask" more than males when they happen to have autism.

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by Anonymousreply 76August 25, 2022 4:58 PM

[qquote]autistic people are hypo-mentalisers, meaning that they underthink about what other people may be experiencing or communicating to them and are driven by their own needs and wants more than others are.

There's a guy on Scruff in my area who says he's on the spectrum and his entire profile is about his needs and desires and how potential hookups can best meet them, and I'm thinking, what's in this for me?

by Anonymousreply 77August 25, 2022 5:12 PM

R77 If he has a long penis, a lot.

by Anonymousreply 78August 25, 2022 5:24 PM

R60 - I had to look up your claim, as I hadn't heard it before.

Why isn't this front page news everywhere? Frightening.

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by Anonymousreply 79August 25, 2022 5:32 PM

There's a 30 year body of evidence that mood disorders, personality disorders and autism are connected to the use of paracetamol during pregnancy.

It's horrifying.

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by Anonymousreply 80August 25, 2022 5:37 PM

R65

Think for a moment how many antibiotics are given to infants. My nephew is one year old and has been prescribed an average of one course of antibiotics every 8 weeks for everything from snuffles to ear aches. At one yearold his microbiome is severely damaged , probably permanently. The microbiome we inherent from our mothers is probably very damaged in most people.

by Anonymousreply 81August 25, 2022 5:52 PM

I was wondering where the autism troll was. Haven’t heard anything from the BPD troll in a while either.

by Anonymousreply 82August 25, 2022 5:54 PM

R81

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by Anonymousreply 83August 25, 2022 5:54 PM

Just keep making excuses to fail and they will

How about some reasons to succeed.?

by Anonymousreply 84August 25, 2022 6:34 PM

R65 so what, just eating ferments and sauerkraut will cure ASD?

by Anonymousreply 85August 25, 2022 6:37 PM

r85 No, the microbiome affect brain development. Once the damage is done its done.

by Anonymousreply 86August 25, 2022 6:44 PM

I was molested. :-/

by Anonymousreply 87August 25, 2022 6:47 PM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 88August 25, 2022 7:46 PM

A bunch of nonscientific bullshit on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 89August 25, 2022 7:56 PM

Autistics of the “ higher functioning “ caliber are disloyal, mean to their fucking core , mendacious and extremely selfish . Nothing moves these people. They can’t feel any love or true emotions. They are robots .

by Anonymousreply 90August 25, 2022 10:31 PM

So what should we do with them, r90?

They must be good for something. Are there Chinese autistics?

by Anonymousreply 91August 25, 2022 10:35 PM

R91,?

by Anonymousreply 92August 25, 2022 11:06 PM

Bumpn

by Anonymousreply 93August 26, 2022 2:31 AM

You answered your own question, OP. Because they are autistic. You don't see the world the way that they do and you don't experience the world the way that they do.

by Anonymousreply 94August 26, 2022 2:33 AM

Crystallized evil!

by Anonymousreply 95August 26, 2022 2:41 AM

I’ve never seen an autistic with bright warm eyes . Something so vacant there

by Anonymousreply 96August 26, 2022 3:38 AM

How do people on this thread know enough autistic people to have opinions about autistics in general? Do you all work in the metal health field? Or maybe you are teachers and your experience is with kids?

I don’t get it. Even if someone you know is “off,” how can you be sure it’s autism? And if they are going around saying, “I’m AUTISTIC!” maybe they are just an asshole who wants attention and an excuse for poor behavior.

I have never met an adult who claimed to be autistic .

by Anonymousreply 97August 26, 2022 4:04 AM

Autists have tender feelings too y'know!

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by Anonymousreply 98August 26, 2022 3:36 PM

I knew an autistic once and his supercunt of a mother.

Bad news all around.

by Anonymousreply 99August 26, 2022 3:38 PM

I dated a guy on the spectrum. At first I thought his little quirks were charming and cute but he ended up being a monster.

by Anonymousreply 100August 26, 2022 4:02 PM

Are those the thoughts of someone on the autistic spectrum?

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by Anonymousreply 101August 26, 2022 4:22 PM

Too much internet for children mimics autistic characteristics. Buckle up because there are generations of aspies being cultivated.

by Anonymousreply 102August 26, 2022 4:36 PM

I had an ex who was high functioning. He is a piano and all around musical prodigy. Beautiful, perfect cock. Attractive. Would have rather had ongoing root canals than do anything with him in a social setting. It lasted 8 months.

by Anonymousreply 103August 26, 2022 4:38 PM

In the case of my niece's son (age 11, non-verbal), he often acts out and is quickly and constantly reprimanded by my niece and her husband. I can only visit for an hour or so because it's impossible to have any sort of visit because of the interruptions. When they have company, my niece or her husband run interference so you can visit. It is just my opinion, but their autistic son would be better off living in a facility and being taken care of by professionals who know how to best care for autistic patients.

No wonder my niece's son lashes out often because of the negative treatment he receives by his parents. The tension, which I'm sure an autistic child can pick up on, is on high. By the way, my brother is financially able to help his daughter and husband pay for long-term care. He already makes it possible for my niece to stay home and receive occasional in-home care.

I wonder if parents with autistic children, trying to be good parents, are better off having their autistic child being helped by professionals rather than try on their own.

by Anonymousreply 104August 26, 2022 5:05 PM

R104, having children like that at home destroys their families often and at best make their lives very unpleasant. I am not a parent and so it’s easy for me to be cavalier but I agree that institutionalization is the sensible option. In many cases I don’t know that the kids would even notice the difference.

by Anonymousreply 105August 26, 2022 5:41 PM

R105 They could have also been aborted, then they wouldn't notice the difference either.

by Anonymousreply 106August 26, 2022 5:43 PM

R106, was that supposed to be some kind of dunk?

by Anonymousreply 107August 26, 2022 5:45 PM

r106 So could you. And yet, here you are because some poor, misguided, woman decided to keep her hellspawn.

by Anonymousreply 108August 26, 2022 5:50 PM

Are there many facilities to institutionalize people - let alone children? There was a huge movement away from that and it's highly stigmatized. Didn't Tom Cruise go "save" his brother Dustin Hoffman from an institution? (vaguely trying to remember The Rain Man)

I think most parents would feel pretty bad about it - and would be looked down on by their families and social group. Inclusion is the way it's done, end of.

Agree that may not be the best thing. Jacqueline Susann had an autistic son she put in an institution and visited occasionally. Michael Caine had a brother that he didn't realize was his brother for many years - and he and his mother would go visit him in an institution. But we're talking the 1940s, 50s, early 60s.

More recently, I think Angie Dickinson had an autistic daughter she may have ended up putting in care - at least for a while? Poor woman commited suicide around age 40 I think. Most others I know of keep theirs at home - John Travolta being one example.

by Anonymousreply 109August 26, 2022 6:08 PM

I looked it up so you don't have to: Angie Dickinson's

daughter with Burt Bacharach, Lea Nikki, known as Nikki, was born three months premature, Nikki had chronic health problems, including visual impairment and was later diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. Bacharach composed the music of the song "Nikki" for their daughter and Dickinson declined many roles to focus on caring for her. They eventually placed their daughter at the Wilson Center, a psychiatric residential treatment facility for adolescents in Faribault, Minnesota, where she remained for nine years. Later, Nikki studied geology at California Lutheran University but her poor eyesight prevented her from pursuing it as a career. On January 4, 2007, Nikki took her life by suffocation in her apartment in the Ventura County suburb of Thousand Oaks; she was 40. In a joint statement, Dickinson and Bacharach said,

"She quietly and peacefully committed suicide to escape the ravages to her brain brought on by Asperger's. ...She loved kitties, earthquakes, glacial calving, meteor showers, science, blue skies and sunsets, and Tahiti. She was one of the most beautiful creatures created on this earth, and she is now in the white light, at peace."

by Anonymousreply 110August 26, 2022 6:21 PM

The outcomes of autistics is really a mixed bag. Many end up in creative fields despite their rigid interests. for instance, some higher functioning ones manage to channel their obsessions and quirks into successful careers as entertainers, and the behavioral “masking” they learn in order to adapt to social situations contributes to their ability to morph into different roles on stage and film. (David Byrne, Sir Anthony Hopkins, and Dan Ackroyd — all diagnosed — are examples of this performative flexibility). On the dark side, some autists channel their rigid, black and white thinking and emotional dysregulation into angry, reactionary personas. I suspect that Ben Shapiro, Dr. Jordan Peterson, and Russell Brand fit into this category, but being rightwing adjacent, there’s no way in hell they’ll admit to being autistic or otherwise mentally disabled.

by Anonymousreply 111August 26, 2022 7:08 PM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 112August 26, 2022 8:19 PM

R11 y'know I'd never considered that Russell Brand might have ASD. He always reads to me as simply a manic narcissist who loves the sound of his own voice, and will talk about anything incendiary to make sure he gets the attention he craves.

by Anonymousreply 113August 26, 2022 8:55 PM

I think we will see more of the austies in the future...

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by Anonymousreply 114August 26, 2022 9:05 PM

Russell Brand, unmasked:

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by Anonymousreply 115August 26, 2022 9:06 PM

I hadn't either R113 but now that I think about his awkward past, it makes sense. I recall some situation where he appeared naked - and was on a talk show and said, 'Don't pick on me. It was cold!!' That's funny. Narcissists aren't funny when it comes to making fun of themselves. I'm not sure if they're ever funny, anyway - but Trump could be, when picking on others esp - a lot like Cartman. But not as nice.

by Anonymousreply 116August 26, 2022 9:08 PM

Is that really Brand as a kid? He was fat??

by Anonymousreply 117August 26, 2022 9:09 PM

He's says he's bipolar. I think a lot of mentally-ill people choose that label because it's not as stigmatized as autistic, borderline, narcissistic, anti-social. Googled him:

"Russell Brand is a British comedian, actor, and activist. He has made his struggle with bipolar disorder a central focus of his public persona, often referencing it in his performances and writing. He’s known for speaking openly about instability in his past. He withstood an unhappy childhood, a heroin and crack habit, bulimia, and sex addiction. His bipolar disorder has helped shape his career: he’s now known for his intriguing combination of ambition and vulnerability."

by Anonymousreply 118August 26, 2022 9:11 PM

R118, especially if you can nab a bipolar 2 disorder aka “you’re crazy but beyond that…hard to say” diagnosis.

by Anonymousreply 119August 26, 2022 9:21 PM

Can I sue the vaccination company who injected me with the autism causing vaccine?

by Anonymousreply 120August 26, 2022 9:23 PM

Ben Shapiro also has the intense autism face with knitted brows like Russell Brand. Here’s Ben in his youth. Compare that with the pic of Brand at R115; they look like brothers.

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by Anonymousreply 121August 26, 2022 9:24 PM

Shapiro doesn't look like he has autism at all.

People on the high functioning spectrum often do have a distinct looks you can notice in photos, in particular a kind of piercing direct blankness. Often they're quite handsome and young-looking for their age, with wide-set eyes and forehead.

by Anonymousreply 122August 26, 2022 10:40 PM

R122 You’re confusing autism with fetal alcohol syndrome. The majority of autistic people I know were funny looking kids who became funny looking adults. Ben Shapiro is an exception, handsome but not exactly a hunk with his tiny frame. He has a beautiful singing voice too. If he weren’t a right wing hate-monger, I’d do him.

by Anonymousreply 123August 26, 2022 10:54 PM

No, I'm not, r123.

(Also - Ben Shapiro is not in the spectrum. There's something kinda off about him but it's not Aspergers.)

There's significant research on facial characteristics on individuals on the spectrum.

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by Anonymousreply 124August 26, 2022 10:59 PM

Ben is most certainly an Aspie .

by Anonymousreply 125August 27, 2022 4:17 AM

Autists who identify themselves as bipolar remind me of gay men who identify themselves as bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 126August 27, 2022 4:23 AM

Nb. a lot of replies are using the word ‘Aspie’—technically and according to the DSM-V (the 2013 keelhaul of the 1990s DSM-IV) and the latest update in DSM-V-TR (2022), Asperger’s has been declassified as a valid individual diagnosis and subsumed under the umbrella term ‘ASD’. Psychiatrists in America no longer make any distinction.

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by Anonymousreply 127August 27, 2022 10:41 AM

I'm surprised at how mean Shapiro looked as a high schooler. He didn't just look nerdy and full of himself like he does now, he looks mean.

by Anonymousreply 128August 27, 2022 11:20 AM

What R2 said and I think also sensory processing.

I have significant hearing loss in one ear due to a medical condition that causes chronic inflammation/anaphylaxis, and I was surprised and honestly relieved to learn in a way that anger and episodes of rage are common among people who have nerve damage in their ears and hearing loss. Of course part of the reason is frustration, but another part seems to be that the sensory disruption aggravates the nervous system physically, and the nervous system obviously is a primary cause of anxiety and self-defensive reactions.

I think people with autism are 'wired wrong' and their circuitry is confused, mistranslating inputs through the wrong processors and generating inappropriate outputs.

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by Anonymousreply 129August 27, 2022 11:42 AM

A lot of Jews are on the spectrum and at least they are a bright and interesting people.

by Anonymousreply 130August 27, 2022 12:24 PM

R130 is that why they talk to themselves? And to furniture?

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by Anonymousreply 131August 27, 2022 12:27 PM

I know people with autism and people with bipolar. Both have distinct traits that really can't be confused as the other. If someone is manic, you know they're manic and not autistic.

Most with bipolar present as almost normal when they're not manic or depressed, they have social skills. Autistics have little to no social skills or empathy, they're not manic.

Bipolars' have empathy, too much sometimes if they're manic. To the layman, or people who've never experienced others with these conditions, they could easily be convinced each condition is the other I guess.

by Anonymousreply 132August 27, 2022 1:11 PM

Bipolar mania is nothing like autism. It could be mistaken for drug abuse, like cocaine, crack or meth, or it could be mistaken for schizophrenia, depending how it manifests. But not like autism.

by Anonymousreply 133August 27, 2022 1:17 PM

My brother is bipolar and on the spectrum, he's manic, depressed, has no empathy, no social skills etc. he's also arrogant, condescending and an insufferable cunt of a human being. So yes, you can have both conditions, but I imagine it's rare. There's bipolar in my mom's family, and autism in my dads, and unfortunately he got both.

by Anonymousreply 134August 27, 2022 1:26 PM

R134, you poor soul . Limit your interactions with him . He sounds awful

by Anonymousreply 135August 27, 2022 3:49 PM

r135 Thankyou. He is awful. And I do stay away from him.

by Anonymousreply 136August 27, 2022 4:18 PM

Lots of women with minor social quirks or abnormalities are now being mistyped ASD, in a pendulum swing too far in the other direction. It used to be that the odd rare ASD woman couldn't get a diagnosis for love nor money; now, that same woman has to compete for resources with not only men but also the thousands of women with trauma & PTSD/anxiety & depression/hormone issues/eating disorders etc. that doctors & psychiatrists can't be bothered to deal with correctly.

by Anonymousreply 137August 27, 2022 4:23 PM

Autistics are very vengeful . They can’t view others unlike them as human . They deny their humanity

by Anonymousreply 138August 27, 2022 4:54 PM

I was in a long term relationship with a guy on the spectrum. He was cute and highly intelligent and I put up with his bluntness and rudeness and social awkwardness because I felt sorry for him and I genuinely loved him, very much so. He had a few redeeming qualities. I was diagnosed with throat cancer. I was beside myself with worry. He dumped me three days before I was to have my throat operated on. He left the house and sent me a text saying I had issues and he never wanted to see me again. He hurt me more than the cancer. It still hurts. They have no feeling, no empathy (except for themselves) no conscience, they're not really human.

by Anonymousreply 139August 27, 2022 5:05 PM

R139, I’m so sorry. What a colossal unfeeling, cruel asshole . Sadly, many are like him . I don’t trust a musk or Zuck for these reasons

by Anonymousreply 140August 27, 2022 5:08 PM

thankyou r140

by Anonymousreply 141August 27, 2022 5:18 PM

Is this a Kiwi Farms invasion of DL?

by Anonymousreply 142August 27, 2022 5:38 PM

R142, autistic asshole

by Anonymousreply 143August 27, 2022 5:39 PM

R142, Farmers are proudly autistic. This isn't their kind of thread.

by Anonymousreply 144August 27, 2022 5:50 PM

I took a look at Kiwi Farms. If this is autism unchecked, it’s frightening how it magnifies when a group of them connect on a platform. They seem to go after designated targets viciously and relentlessly, and, being too tech savvy to be caught, it would probably take something BIG to take KF down. The likely scenario would involve a Farmer being overconfident and going after the wrong individual, (likely under the guise of their ACTUAL target in an attempt to get THAT person or group in deep trouble). I’d love to see an exposé about that site!

by Anonymousreply 145August 27, 2022 7:16 PM

☝🏼 Their arrogance will be there downfall

by Anonymousreply 146August 28, 2022 12:12 AM

R146 Musk is a great example of autism out of control, from his juvenile Halo gamer truck to his recent Twitter stunt. A six year old child in a man’s body.

by Anonymousreply 147August 28, 2022 12:48 AM

R147, he is not alone . Autism with power is a scarefest

by Anonymousreply 148August 28, 2022 12:53 AM

"Age of Aquarius" and "autistic" seem compatible.

This is from Wikipedia:

[quote] Astrologers believe that an astrological age affects humanity, possibly by influencing the rise and fall of civilizations or cultural tendencies. Traditionally, Aquarius is associated with electricity, computers, flight, democracy, freedom, humanitarianism, idealism, modernization, astrology, nervous disorders, rebellion, nonconformity, philanthropy, veracity, perseverance, humanity, and irresolution.

by Anonymousreply 149August 28, 2022 12:53 AM

r145 They've had their cliques that end up being retconned and farmed. . . the more entertaining ones were the various vigilantes that tried to go commercial and were discovered to be even bigger lolcows than what they were farming. But as they have a pathological need to take credit for such feats, it's an endless revolving door.

by Anonymousreply 151August 28, 2022 1:07 AM

These cunts should all be thrown in kiddy bootcamp and not released until they respect authoriteh!

by Anonymousreply 152August 28, 2022 1:08 AM
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