Bio mother of gay couple’s kids

Eglantina has to be THE worst name for a woman I've ever heard. My God.

He wasn't keeping that information from the kids, just the general public.

Didn't Paris Hilton refer to her as "Eggplant Dyke Ass"?

It depends on where she files and whether or not the govt intervenes on her behalf to make an international case of it. .. as in to apply pressure to nations they're in good relations with to compel them towards extradition, should he ever be within their borders.

It's still a gray area legally. . . hence, much of the costs in surrogacy are legal fees. But egg donors, surrogates have less standing ground than if it were just an adoption. Hence, why many choose surrogacy over adoption. And being biologically related to them he has more standing as well.

I believe that surrogate have no rights whatsoever, she is not related to kids, but the egg donor is their mother. I mean, I don't believe she could take the kids away, but I wonder if she can ask to be recognized and see them regularly etc

Ricky seems to be the father of all the kids. He got twins when he was single, so they are his. After marrying Jwan they got a daughter and then another boy, and everybody thought that this boy was for Jwan to procreate, but no, this one looks like Ricky more than older kids.

NPH was more democratic and let Burtka be the father of one of the kids, the girl.

You can see that she is pretty like Burtka and doesn't have that big forehead,

....

R3 no

R3 Is Eglantina a lesbian?

OP - if Ricky had used a for-pay surrogate, of course she would have been prescreened for medical issues and her medical history made available to him. No one wants a surrogate with potentially inheritable medical conditions or someone with a history of mental illness in her family as well.

^ meant this for EGG DONOR. An egg donor would be medical screened just as above. The clinic knows her entire medical history, including her family hx.

Someone really looked at their sweet little newborn and said "I have the perfect name for this little angel... EGLANTINA!"

r5 It hasn't stopped the courts, tho. Even in the U.S. where it's largely protected, there have been cases brought forward for surrogates even with no genetic relation to the children. . . though those cases did not go in their favor.

However, cases continues to be pushed through the court systems and it'sbeen breaking into the mainstream as of late.

There are several feminist organizations actively against this. of course, said organizations also are against marriage equality too... but that's neither here nor there, and they would retort they're against marriage period. . . except they've only targeted locations, domestically and internationally, where marriage equality was raised. Funny and predictably enough, they're against sperm donor rights but believe egg donors should be able to claim. . . but liken surrogacy to slavery.

surrogacy and donors in many other nations.... don't offer much protetion especially for prospective same sex couples, single parents whether gay or straight, though obviously more bias towards gay/lesbians. in several western nations, surrogacy agreements aren't recognized, so contracts aren't legal.. they operate on good faith agreements. . . in some cases, even having a formal agreement, in particular, paid could constitute a crime in of and itself.

For the U.S. the uk is the one to watch as hostilities against lgb (even without the t) increase... (and said alliance seemingly supports it)

How would a fertility clinic KNOW her family medical history? They only know what she reports to them. There’s no incentive to tell the absolute truth in detail.

It’s a crapshoot, procreating. Always.

What do you think about Pete and Chasten? Who's the daddy?

[quote]If it is true, it is good for the kids who will know their family’s medical history, the illnesses and issues that run in the family

I hate when people say stupid shit like this. Your family's medical history doesn't matter that much. You should try to stay as healthy as possible.

Your family's medical history doesn't grant you any immunity from disease. And while you may be more susceptible to diseases other family members have had, you should be trying to stay as healthy as possible anyway

OP has ZERO idea of how to write a headline.

R16. Contract law my friend. Egg donors sign contracts in which they are obliged to divulge their family medical histories. If they don't they can be sued down the road if they failed to provide accurate family/personal history.

And of course a wealthy person would have their egg donor tested for everything under the sun.

Genetic medicine is quite advanced these days, R16.

An egg donor named Eglantina? 😆😆

Yes, Eglantina is the biological mother of/egg donor to all of Ricky's kids. She and Ricky have been friends for years, and she visits them sometimes and sees the kids. The kids know she is their mother, and have for a while because again, Eglantina visits Ricky. They just don't know who their gestational surrogates are as there's been three different gestational surrogates and presumably those have been random civilians. It's the general public who doesn't know the bio mom because it's none of our business lol.

As for legal shit, that's why Ricky and other rich gay couples (as straight/lesbian couples will use a female partner's eggs) choose two different women, one as an egg donor and one to carry the child. It's to help protect their rights to the kid and prevent somebody from successfully suing. The egg donor is similar to a sperm donor where legal rights to the kids are slim to none (depending on the contract you sign when you donate and where you live), and gestational surrogates have less leg to stand on if they are not biologically related/technically not the mom. Though if you go through agencies where surrogacy is legal typically you and the surrogate will come to a agreement on if she will be allowed in the kid's life, as some surrogates do want to and some straight up don't.

Buying human beings.

r21 a Latina egg donor named eglantina!

Ricky posted this pic with Eglantina on his Instagram and it was funny to read the comments of some Latin ladies (I suppose older women) who were encouraging them to get together since they already have kids and said they were a nice couple etc.

R10 Eglantina is a lesbian, yes.

She's 41 now so if the frozen embyros Ricky's talked about before are hers as well I'm curious if she'll try to implant one of them so she can raise a kid. She only has a few years left before menopause, though perhaps dropping in on Ricky's kids is as close to being a mom she'd like to be.

Average woman reaches menopause at 50 or later, but of course that the pregnancy gets riskier with age. And menopause has nothing to do with possible pregnancy if they have frozen embryos. They are already conceived, she doesn't need to ovulate anymore. It is just that chances of spontaneous abortion rise highly after 38.

But, maybe she doesn't want to raise kids and having four of them that Ricky is raising with his partner is enough.

But genetics is really a fascinating thing. The way that boy has, not only her features, but smile and expression, even though she is not the one that is raising him and it is not something learned or copied from her, but innate.

So Ricky and Eglantina have frozen embryos from period when they were younger. How long do they last?

The longest an embyro has been frozen is 30 years but theoretically they could be frozen indefinitely.

Uncle Ricky, I'm available if you need a...ummm...a....errrrr...babysitter!

[quote] If it is true, it is good for the kids who will know their family’s medical history, the illnesses and issues that run in the family. And will know where are they coming from.

Visiting them and being part of their lives may alleviate some of the issues that arise from children feeling abandoned by a parent.

I didn't know she didn't carry them. This just all seems unseemly to me. They couldn't adopt some child?

[quote] And menopause has nothing to do with possible pregnancy if they have frozen embryos. They are already conceived; she doesn't need to ovulate anymore.

Your body is not the same with menopause and it is certainly not the same as with a natural ovulation and pregnancy. The hormonal levels are lower and I'd like to see if studies have been done on women who became pregnant via IVF or implant or whatever it's called after menopause.

We think we are gods about everything. Sometimes we need to respect nature.

Does anyone else think Eglantina and Ricky look related? Put it this way. If you told me that was his lesbian twin sister I would have believed you.

R32 A few years ago Ricky did an interview where he implied he tried contacting adoption agencies but was rejected each time, and some journalist said on twitter a couple years that when he interviewed Ricky about his newer kids Ricky straight up told him off the record that he was rejected. Makes sense as Ricky was publicly a single man back in 2006/2007 and the overwhelming majority of adoption agencies want hetero couples. It wasn't until fairly recently can single man or woman or gay couples adopt more easily.

And once the embryos are made you might as well use them. Making them is expensive when you can't do it naturally.

People thought at first that the youngest boy was Jwan ’s at first probably cause he was darker than his older siblings, but they have forgotten that Ricky is not Scandinavian either, in fact he was a darker child. But the boy looks more like Ricky, unlike the older ones who are lighter like Eglantina.

But I don’t know how people could not see that the little guy had Ricky’s eyes even as the baby. You must be blind not to see that he is Ricky’s.

Young Ricky.

Ricky Martin has a beautiful family, he said Years ago that he always wanted to have children. He's living his best life, he's a proud father, he's coupled, he's happy. People deserve to be happy and content, and to live life freely with no encumbrances, free range happiness! :-)

[quote]As for legal shit, that's why Ricky and other rich gay couples (as straight/lesbian couples will use a female partner's eggs) choose two different women, one as an egg donor and one to carry the child.

And the third one to breastfeed the child.

[quote]Someone really looked at their sweet little newborn and said "I have the perfect name for this little angel... EGLANTINA!"

Being that it is pronounced eh-LIZE-sha, I think it's pretty.

Sorry, it's eh-LIZE-see-un

R37 One of the very very few guys that are still hot at 50. And God was he handsome! I have nothing against him procreating. Glad that the youngest one looks like him, hope it stays this way.

A colleague of mine helped his lesbian friends have a kid ages ago. He’s still in their lives years later as a close family friend but not a dad, even though all parties are aware he’s the genetic father. (tbh, whenever I see him after having learned of that, I can’t help but picture him beating off and jizzing into a cup because I’m a peurile idiot, but whatever. It’s actually very wholesome!!)

As for the name Eglantine… it’s an archaic word in English that refers to wild roses growing in hedgerows, etc. I suspect in Spanish it doesn’t sound as bad..? In English we think “egg”, and that is so not attractive, as eggs smell like farts, but not everyone thinks in English.

Game playing with human lives is just so wrong. This shouldn't be about the "parents". It should be about the child.

Deliberately creating a human being knowing you intend to deprive it of its mother and the biological deprivation that can create in a baby is wrong. It's selfish. Its consequences may be lifelong.

^^^ Karen McKaren, mother of 8. Prolifer extraordinaire.

R43 has stated her boundaries!

R44 who has never studied biology, evolutionary biology or been around mothers with infants.

Whan a baby cries the mother who bore this baby actually starts to lactate. The father does not. That is motherhood at a cellular level.

R43 / E46 And if you read the thread you will see that Eglantina visits Ricky's house and the kids often and that Ricky's kids know she is their mother. It's just the general public that doesn't know because it's none of our business.

I'm talking about the mother that bore them and gave birth. If you think they are not biologically connected you're wrong. Just like we would say there's more to being a mother than giving birth, there is also more to being a mother than donating DNA in some lab setting.

R46 Take a look at the pic at R38 and ssy these tits are not good enough for raising ten kids. Better than the surrogate's.

Any lactating woman within the sound of that cry will start lactating. It's just a reflexive biological reaction, R48, it may have no relation at all to who bore the crying child. In this case, the biological mother did not give birth to Ricky's children, he used a surrogate. Your theory doesn't hold up. I'm surprised that he couldn't buy a baby in the private adoption racket, just about anyone can do that. Still, having all the children's embryos come from the same mother is nice for his family and her being a part of Ricky's children's lives is probably good for the children. No mysteries.

That little boy's eyes say Mini-Ricky loud and clear. He is absolutely adorable. Ricky is a good father, he really wanted that to be his life and he made it happen.

[quote] Any lactating woman within the sound of that cry will start lactating. It's just a reflexive biological reaction, [R48], it may have no relation at all to who bore the crying child. In this case, the biological mother did not give birth to Ricky's children, he used a surrogate.

So? How does that disprove anything? The bio gene donor in this case would not lactate at the sound of her crying baby. She would not be bonding with her DNA. That's not what creates the bond. The "surrogate" mother would be lactating because of the biological bond that is formed via hormones during pregnancy. That is the bond that would cause her to protect and nurture the baby.

You can call it "reflexive" as if that takes away its import and meaning but that is what a biological connection to a child is all about. The humane approach to this would be to allow the surrogate to be the primary carer for the child's infancy - though that creates other issues. But that would be best for the baby. The reality is that fathers are irrelevant to an infant's care.

r30 - Interesting. So, if they were implanted and delivered successfully, would they technically be considered 30 years old on their birthday?

^ I guess republicans would with the whole life begins at conception thing. It certainly would be easier for them to justify raping a child if 30 years were automatically added on their actual age.

I offered to give Ricky a baby but *he* only wanted to be constantly inseminated.