other than U of PA
What are some good colleges in Pennsylvania?
|by Anonymous||reply 87||November 23, 2022 2:16 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 1||August 21, 2022 9:27 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 2||August 21, 2022 9:39 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 3||August 21, 2022 9:44 AM|
Bryn Mawr (it autocorrected to Bryan Mawr, which is a great DL moniker)
|by Anonymous||reply 4||August 21, 2022 10:03 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 5||August 21, 2022 10:05 AM|
Good for what? Good for whom? Why the fuck don't you google it and stop wasting our time?
|by Anonymous||reply 6||August 21, 2022 10:07 AM|
R6, you're too late to be R1.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||August 21, 2022 10:25 AM|
One thing to know is that while most universities are either public or private, Pennsylvania has two universities that are a unique hybrid of those. They are Penn State and University of Pittsburgh, and it should be noted that Penn State has numerous campus throughout the state and a law school in Carlisle and medical school in Hershey. Pitt also has satellite campuses, but most are in the same region.
The public universities, or state schools, for the most part, all started as Normal Schools and originally they all became state colleges, with the exception of Indiana University of Pennsylvania being the only state university until the 1980s. Eventually, the state colleges were all upgraded to state university status. Recently with the economic crunch I’ve heard that some state universities are merging or maybe even disappearing. Some also had satellite campuses as well.
So, that’s the hybrid and public universities, which leaves the private colleges and universities, which there are many and some being very prominent, such as University of Pennsylvania and Bryn Mawr, which are part of the Ivies/Seven Sisters.
One of my favorite stories here is the fate of the renowned liberal arts college Beaver College. With the advent of online information and applications Beaver College ran into problems as educational Internet blocking software would not allow student access to their website from many schools because “beaver” was a euphemism that was on the list of blocked words that would activate the software. To get around this the university changed its name to Arcadia University!
Carnegie University of Pennsylvania definitely has not only a national reputation, but also international one and has great strength in technology, robotics, and gets a lot of attention for its acting and musical theater program since it produces so many prominent stars. And come to think of it gays ones, Matt Bomer, Zachary Quinto, Billy Porter, Cherry Jones, Rory O’Malley, Stephen Swartz, David Pevsner, Rob Marshall and honorary Gay Christina Crawford.
Haverford and Swarthmore will always have very high status as ultimate wet dream preppy schools, and nearby Villanova, which is like preppy Catholic central. Temple and Drexel remain prominent in Philadelphia and have amassed a lot of real estate and power in the city. Dickinson College is an idyllic little college established before the American Revolution and in the same town is the American War college, that while it isn’t West Point or Annapolis does give Pennsylvania a prominent military college. Pittsburgh is very much a college town dominated by Pitt and CMU, but also has Carlow, Drexel, Point Park and others usually with some strong core majors recognized nationally.
All in all I’ve always felt proud of Pennsylvania’s strength and legacy of college and university education and that it’s one of the biggest assets of the state and the graduates and programs have made innumerable impact on the world. We are exceptionally strong in the medical fields with hospitals aligned with Pitt, Penn State and University of Pennsylvania including two of the top children’s hospitals in the country, if not the world.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||August 21, 2022 10:36 AM|
^^^ Ugh, that should be Carnegie Mellon University- dint know where that came from…
|by Anonymous||reply 9||August 21, 2022 10:38 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 10||August 21, 2022 10:42 AM|
Beaver College was mocked by Letterman, Stern and O’Brian before changing its name.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||August 21, 2022 10:48 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 12||August 21, 2022 10:48 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 13||August 21, 2022 11:09 AM|
Philadelphia School of Bible
|by Anonymous||reply 14||August 21, 2022 11:29 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 15||August 21, 2022 11:30 AM|
University of the Arts?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||August 21, 2022 11:36 AM|
Penn is listed as one of the top five affordable Ivies! Not bad out of seven!
|by Anonymous||reply 17||August 23, 2022 1:02 PM|
Love you, r8!
Proud to live smack-dab in the middle of Lehigh U., Lafayette C., Cedar Crest C., Moravian C., Muhlenberg C., Allentown C., and Penn State-Lehigh Valley Campus. Plus two Community Colleges.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||August 23, 2022 1:55 PM|
R18 Glad you could represent NE PA which I’m a bit fuzzy on that geography between Bloomberg and East Stroudsburg, but it has a strong higher education representation. Moravian College is fascinating and has the oldest continuous bookstore in the US, going back to 1745!
|by Anonymous||reply 19||August 23, 2022 2:02 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 20||August 23, 2022 2:06 PM|
R20 Surprisingly, Hersey didn’t build a school of higher learning, but he left the most well endowed boarding school “orphanage” to ever exist and now even single parent inner city kids can even attend completely free of charge. It may not be on the level of Choate or Emma Willard, but it’s done a whole hell of a lot more good in the world with money coming from Kisses and Reeces then anything else I could think of.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||August 23, 2022 2:15 PM|
How would you rank the liberal arts colleges? What are the top 10 or so?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||August 24, 2022 1:21 AM|
Go get fucked!
|by Anonymous||reply 23||August 24, 2022 1:24 AM|
Is Gettysburg considered a decent college? I once dated someone who went there, you'd think they graduated from Amherst or something.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||August 24, 2022 4:19 AM|
The two most prestigious in the state are UPenn and CMU.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||August 24, 2022 4:25 AM|
Mercyhurst College in Erie.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||August 24, 2022 4:58 AM|
Lafayette College is a surprise, I’ve never heard of it. For the Gettysburg question, it’s ranked umber ten here.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||August 26, 2022 3:36 PM|
This is interesting, Pennsylvania is ranked third for the the number of universities, but it’s about 100 behind one and two, a considerable drop.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||August 26, 2022 3:38 PM|
Yeah Gettysburg is forgotten but it's a perfectly decent small liberal arts college.
Is there still a Lutheran seminary in Gettysburg?
|by Anonymous||reply 29||August 26, 2022 3:40 PM|
R29 Yes, it merged with the Philadelphia school and both campuses were to close and a new one created, but they backed out if that and it didn’t happen, though there’s a new name for it all. The main historic building is stunning and dates back to 1832 and rivals some on Dickinson’s campus.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||August 26, 2022 3:47 PM|
R8 must not know Datalounge very well -- I mean, seriously, he wrote an articulate, intelligent, and well-founded post that answers the OP's questions succinctly and accurately.
What the hell, R8????
|by Anonymous||reply 31||August 26, 2022 3:52 PM|
Interesting comparison to New Jersey where you can count the “top” schools on two fingers.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||August 26, 2022 3:53 PM|
R31 Thanks, that is without a doubt one of the nicest things that has been said about me here. Usually I’m accused of being the person who the post is about or a PR shill for most threads that I begin, so this takes a bit of the sting out of those.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||August 26, 2022 4:16 PM|
Curtis Institute of Music is very prestigious.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||August 26, 2022 4:27 PM|
One of the smartest people I know went to Swarthmore. Brilliant actually, and super nice as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||August 26, 2022 4:28 PM|
I had the weirdest job interview of my life at The Milton Hershey School.
I got the job (which I really needed,) but I turned it down because it made me really unconfortable.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||August 26, 2022 4:29 PM|
Penn State and Pitt are mega bucks of you’re from out-of-state.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||August 26, 2022 4:32 PM|
Grove City College
|by Anonymous||reply 38||August 26, 2022 4:33 PM|
R36 My aunt and uncle worked as house parents there for awhile and found it very strange. I think it’s like a cult like atmosphere, but they run a very tight ship. I’ve never even heard of a hint of a scandal about faculty/staff and students, but they are also rich and powerful enough to bury it deeply.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||August 26, 2022 4:40 PM|
Bucknell University is excellent. It's in Lewisburg, Pa
My daughter attended there, she loved the "Bucknell experience" as she called it!!
The area was conservative then, it's now "dtrumpy".. it is Central Pa!!
|by Anonymous||reply 40||August 26, 2022 4:43 PM|
Growing up in Pennsylvania in the 1980s it seemed like Penn State existed solely to motivate high school jocks and cheerleaders to aspire to go on to college.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||August 26, 2022 4:48 PM|
Milton Hershey rejected an HIV+ kid in 2011. 2011!!! Does not speak much for an enlightened and educated direction.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||August 26, 2022 5:01 PM|
R42 They are still touchy about sexually transmitted diseases because Hershey and his wife were riddled with syphilis, which is why they couldn’t have any children and established the orphanage in the first place. They continue to try to still bury those rumors, which they aren’t.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||August 26, 2022 5:08 PM|
I bet the kid did not get HIV through sex.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||August 26, 2022 8:07 PM|
[quote]Interesting comparison to New Jersey where you can count the “top” schools on two fingers.
Pennsylvania exists so kids from New Jersey have somewhere to go to college.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||August 26, 2022 9:00 PM|
[quote]Surprisingly, Hersey didn’t build a school of higher learning, but he left the most well endowed boarding school “orphanage” to ever exist and now even single parent inner city kids can even attend completely free of charge. It may not be on the level of Choate or Emma Willard, but it’s done a whole hell of a lot more good in the world with money coming from Kisses and Reeces then anything else I could think of.
It is one of the richest private schools with an endowment of $15 billion dollars which would rank it #6 among university endowments (Harvard is #1 at $53 billion - $41 billion at the time of the last avilable ranking at the end of fiscal 2020).
[quote]In 2016, eleven former students sued the school for invasion of privacy, alleging that an employee had hidden a camera in a bathroom for senior male students. The employee admitted to filming the boys' showering and was sentenced to a year in prison.
Which one of you DLers used to work there?
|by Anonymous||reply 46||August 26, 2022 9:26 PM|
Well Princeton is often ranked #1 in the USA so there's that. Stevens, Rutgers, Drew, and another 10 are perfectly acceptable universities.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||August 26, 2022 9:28 PM|
R8? You sure don't know as much as you think you do about PA colleges/universities if you think Dickinson is a "war college" or military school. It's a small liberal arts school like many others in PA, and frankly, it's always been known for its law school (now part of Penn State) rather than its little college.
I'm from PA, did my undergrad at Penn State, and got my M.A. at Lehigh (completely paid for by the school), so feel free to ask me anything. And keep in mind that, unlike many of you, if I don't know the answer to a question, I'll tell you that as opposed to pulling some bullshit out of my ass.
BTW, PA is chock full of little private colleges (many originally or currently religiously affiliated) where tuition costs an arm and a leg. If it weren't for the rich kids from NJ, NY, and New England, no one would be attending them. But the kids that go there think these schools are extremely prestigious even though no one outside of the northeast ever heard of them.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||August 26, 2022 10:13 PM|
R41, Even they might be salvageable. And you are an alumnus of....?
|by Anonymous||reply 49||August 26, 2022 10:17 PM|
Carnegie Mellon is a piece of shit. Haverford.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||August 26, 2022 10:18 PM|
Many famous people come from Wilkes-Barre, but none of them went to Wilkes College.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||August 26, 2022 10:21 PM|
Chatham University in Pittsburgh. Note, it’s now coed.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||August 26, 2022 10:52 PM|
CMU is internationally recognized in STEM nowadays.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||August 26, 2022 10:58 PM|
R48 Go back and read what I said “in the same town is the American War college” and I mentioned at the start that the Law School for Penn State was in Carlisle as well. I happen to know it as it’s the town next to the one I grew up in.
The American War college also has another important Pennsylvania boarding school distinction. It housed the first and most prominent Indian Boarding School, which was on the campus. The former Civil War officer who came up with the concept for the schools was the founder and ran the school for decades. People know it usually because it is the school Olympian Jim Thorpe was a student at and football fans usually know it as that’s where Pop Warner got his start coaching.
I’m from the town with the small religious college that has one of the most restrictive and oppressive behavior polices of all campus where even male/female pairs are dissuaded from things like holding hands and kissing and Gays are supposed to refrain from everything as “same sex sexual expression fall(s) outside God’s design for sexual expression.”
|by Anonymous||reply 54||August 26, 2022 11:57 PM|
I love the description of Swarthmore and Haverford as “preppy wet dreams” - lol. So true - the WASP ideal. Though despite having to be kinda crazy smart to get in, I’ve never met an obnoxious douche type from there. Villanova, on the other hand, ….
|by Anonymous||reply 55||August 27, 2022 3:32 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 56||August 27, 2022 3:36 AM|
Jesus, R54 -- nothing you said proves me wrong. The ARMY War College is in Carlisle, and it is NOT, nor was it ever, an undergrad military school like West Point or even VMI or The Citadel. From the link, "It provides graduate-level instruction to senior military officers and civilians to prepare them for senior leadership assignments and responsibilities." Of course, since I was actually in the Army, I imagine I know a little more about it than a civilian. You can read more about it at the link.
BTW, FYI, my sister lives about 15 minutes outside of Carlisle.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||August 27, 2022 3:39 AM|
No love for Duquesne?
|by Anonymous||reply 58||August 27, 2022 4:39 AM|
What is the campus/neighborhood around Lehigh University like?
|by Anonymous||reply 59||August 27, 2022 8:27 AM|
Some of the posters need higher standards. Bucknell?!
|by Anonymous||reply 60||August 27, 2022 8:34 AM|
Bucknell is one of the higher rated liberal arts colleges. 38 percent acceptance rate. Not bad for a Liberal arts college these days.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||August 27, 2022 8:47 AM|
R48, I have my B.S. from PSU and M Ed. from Lehigh (the latter mostly because I have always lived about 5 minutes away). I disagree with your dismissiveness re: the rest of the small colleges around. For one example, having gone to Lehigh, surely you are cognizant of its reputation for engineering.
R59, You encourage my rah-rah hometown boosterism, so here goes: Lehigh looms above (literally) Bethlehem, specifically the Southside, which for several years now has been undergoing a cultural, architectural, and economic Renaissance, its once having been the epicenter of the mighty Bethlehem Steel.
That is the immediate vicinity. The larger community is known as The Lehigh Valley (despite the nails-on-chalkboard efforts of the Chambers of Commerce to drop the "the").
In Kanye style, Imma let you Google now.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||August 28, 2022 3:22 PM|
Is Franklin & Marshall "good"? I've only known one person who went there.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||August 28, 2022 3:25 PM|
There aren't many colleges in the NYC suburbs (or are there?)
|by Anonymous||reply 64||August 29, 2022 3:12 AM|
By "suburbs" do you mean the 4 NYC boroughs not Manhattan? NY State? Nassau County? New Jersey? Connecticut?
Plenty of colleges and universities.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||August 29, 2022 4:31 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 66||August 29, 2022 4:31 AM|
Allegheny, Juniata, and Ursinus are among the 2022 Colleges That Change Lives.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||August 29, 2022 4:50 AM|
Pennsylvania gets three slots in Forbes top 25 colleges, two in the top ten, CMU and Penn, with the much promoted here Lehigh filling in the third slot at 13.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||August 30, 2022 1:36 PM|
I think of F&M as rich Philly and NJ suburban kids - good school, expensive, not a lot of aid. Not sure if Lehigh/Bucknell are considered better. More well known anyway,
|by Anonymous||reply 69||August 30, 2022 8:52 PM|
As for Forbes Top Colleges list, Babson College at #9, I just can't.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||August 30, 2022 8:58 PM|
Forbes rates Lehigh as stupendous.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||August 30, 2022 8:59 PM|
Well this firmly cements what R69 said.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||September 7, 2022 3:15 PM|
[quote] Penn is listed as one of the top five affordable Ivies! Not bad out of seven!
$56000/year is affordable?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||September 7, 2022 3:28 PM|
R73 Well, it’s cheaper to F&M!
|by Anonymous||reply 74||September 7, 2022 3:59 PM|
Wow - I had no idea F&M was the most expensive. Good info R72. I assume this is net cost - because the other LACs are in the $60k range too. But I think the richer schools - like Swat and Haverford - give more aid on average. My sense is F&M are largely full fare students. Also confirms my view of Wash U of St Louis and SMU - seems like all the rich kids from good school districts in the NY suburbs go there. And none of them are eligible for aid.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||September 7, 2022 6:02 PM|
This is interesting, it’s about overall trends, but uses Shippensburg as a case study in the article. As much of a drop off of students at Ship was, the fact that Edinboro’s population was halved is staggering.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||November 23, 2022 6:48 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 77||November 23, 2022 6:56 AM|
Dr. Oz thought Princeton was one of Pennsylvania’s finest colleges.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||November 23, 2022 7:01 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 79||November 23, 2022 7:02 AM|
Allentown Vo Tech has a higher graduation rate than Parkland HS. Maybe you’re not meant for college.
Billy Joel got it right 40 years ago, and his song looks positively charming today
|by Anonymous||reply 80||November 23, 2022 7:03 AM|
OP it’s UPenn not U of Pa. Even Dreamers in El Paso know that.
I’m thinking you shouldn’t get hung up on top tier
|by Anonymous||reply 81||November 23, 2022 7:09 AM|
Actually, it’s just “Penn.”
|by Anonymous||reply 82||November 23, 2022 7:22 AM|
R80 The only reason he used Allentown was it made more sense than lyrically than Levittown which it was originally.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||November 23, 2022 7:24 AM|
R82 that’s what’s officially sanctioned. But they’ve long since conceded UPenn is acceptable
|by Anonymous||reply 84||November 23, 2022 1:47 PM|
When you ask people who have never been to college, or who went to their local commuter state college 50 years ago....
UPenn and Carnegie Mellon are the best big private schools.
Swarthmore, Lehigh, Haverford and Bryn Mawr are the best SCLACs
Penn State and Pitt are the flagship state schools
Other notable schools include: Villanova, Dickinson, Bucknell, Lafayette, Franklin & Marshall, Muehlenberg, and Gettysburg , which mostly serve affluent Northeastern suburbanites, Drexel and Temple are more commuter schools in Philly but are well known enough.
Probably leaving some out....
|by Anonymous||reply 85||November 23, 2022 2:02 PM|
^^SLACs, not SCLACS - Small Liberal Arts Colleges, though Lehigh is more an engineering school
|by Anonymous||reply 86||November 23, 2022 2:03 PM|
Penn State wouldn’t even make it into the top 5 of the UC system…just sayin’
|by Anonymous||reply 87||November 23, 2022 2:16 PM|