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Is it man or monster who’s at fault for Twin Peaks’ central murder?

A jumping off point for a larger discussion.

“Now that I’ve watched all of Twin Peaks and understand its very strange—and occasionally horrific—emotional tone, I’d expect young me to have had nightmares. But the show just doesn’t work for someone who isn’t willing to bring themselves to fully experience it. It’s couched in so much dream symbolism and weird mythology and soap opera parody that you need a steady diet of the American pop universe it’s digesting to make any sense of the damn thing. At 9, I didn’t yet speak its language, and I found it boring, pointless, and sort of silly.

I suspect co-creators David Lynch and Mark Frost would agree with young me on the last point at least. Twin Peaks is often very funny, even in this episode, which contains some of the series’ most horrific moments. It is always, always daring you to have about five or six multiple emotional reactions at once, usually one being abject horror and the other being ironic laughter. That the series is able to handle these tonal shifts with aplomb—as opposed to simply settling in favor of one or another—is what sets it apart from its many imitators. So many shows that aim to be Twin Peaks end up only aping the visual style—hello, The Killing—or the messiness of its tone—that would be Bates Motel. What they miss is that Twin Peaks used these tools in service of something deeper. There’s a rich emotion to this show that is vast and mournful, but it sits in a reservoir the series itself has yet to dive into. It holds the emotion at a distance, daring the audience to dive in before it does, and it always wins the fake out.

See, Twin Peaks probably should have scared me at that age. I came from a small town, filled with secrets, much like the series’ setting, and the show is at its most effective when it indulges in the ever-existent terror of the middle of the night out in the middle of nowhere. (I’ve stood in the middle of a cornfield at midnight and been stuck in a bad neighborhood waiting for a bus. Give me the bad neighborhood every time.) It is, first and foremost, an attempt to puncture the ironic remove and the stoicism Lynch perceived in his own childhood in Missoula, Montana, and it finds that the most effective ways to do that are first laughing at the self-seriousness of such a place and second pulling up the carpet to reveal its horrors. It is, in a way, Lynch’s entire filmmaking career in a nutshell.

What strikes me most about the episode’s most horrifying sequence, in which Leland Palmer (Ray Wise), under full control of the evil spirit Bob (Frank Silva), kills his niece Maddy (Sheryl Lee), is how it unlocks the secret terrors of a fairly normal living room. Lynch’s career has often been marked by a slow-building dread, by the way that he can take utterly ordinary circumstances and unlock the terror that lives within them, and this is a prime example of that. Listen to the continued hiss of the record that’s reached its end. Watch the way his camera roams low, over the carpet, closing in on what’s about to happen. See the luxuriant close-ups of Leland/Bob inserting a tiny letter beneath Maddy’s fingernail. It’s horrifying, but it’s also rich with other emotions—regret, sadness, and even a touch of amusement. All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.”

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by Anonymousreply 28August 22, 2022 8:13 AM

Men (as in humankind) are monsters.

by Anonymousreply 1August 16, 2022 5:59 AM

'Fire Walk With Me takes the show's loose cluster of supernatural phenomena and reconfigures them as a vulnerable mind's imagined demons, a coping strategy for trauma. If the series is about hunting a literal demon—BOB, a gray-haired man who is said to "possess" Leland Palmer—the film is about realizing that the demon is real. Though in a way these fantastic elements were its bread and butter, the series ultimately suffered, emotionally, by "explaining away" the trauma of Laura's death and by assigning Leland's evil to his demonic alter ego. But the film returns us from fantasy to reality, reasserting the evil in the man himself: Laura's death at the hands of her father becomes a tragedy localized in a recognizable world rather than one happening in the fantasy of fiction. The fantasy becomes figural. A history of sexual abuse becomes real."

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by Anonymousreply 2August 16, 2022 6:17 AM

A girl child ain't safe in a family of men.

by Anonymousreply 3August 16, 2022 6:20 AM

Leland killed Laura. Not Bob. Twin peaks is about the evil that men do. Twin peaks the return (season 3) goes into the evil that women do: being passive and complicit- Laura’s mom knew Leland was abusing her.

by Anonymousreply 4August 16, 2022 6:58 AM

I missed TP during its initial run & decided to watch FWWM first. Having little knowledge of the show, I concluded Leland did it all on his own & Laura’s concept of Bob is just mental gymnastics/repression/projection.

I told this theory to a diehard devotee of the show who told me I’d got it wrong & I needed to see the series as well. after watching it, I agreed with her, I’d gotten it quite wrong & minimized too much of the series to come up with a handy-dandy resolution.

by Anonymousreply 5August 16, 2022 7:57 AM

[quote] Twin peaks is about the evil that men do.

To me it was always about humanity's "superpower": Disassociation. "The Devil made me do it!", "That wasn't me, that was my mirror image!", "no human could've done that, this was done by a monster / demon!".

We cope by disassociating our own and other people's actions. Like celebs thanking God or Jesus when they win something or blame monsters and demons for bad stuff happening. We create these fantasy worlds (like heaven or hell) to make sense of our existence and place in this reality.

by Anonymousreply 6August 16, 2022 8:34 AM

TL; DR (RE: OP post). It's a bit strange for someone to question why they didn't connect with Twin Peaks at age nine. A nine-year-old shouldn't be watching Twin Peaks, to start. At least, that's my opinion. These days, some kids are allowed to watch anything.

Anyway, those who ignore how the environment we grow up in and what we're exposed to shapes us will answer it is "man" who is at fault. Those who take a more nuanced, and less Biblical approach will fall somewhere in between. The show seemed to take the stance of "monster," if you approach Bob possessing other men's bodies (one at a time, no less) as a literal reading.

I was obsessed with Twin Peaks at 16. I revisited the whole series five years ago. I loved it up until Maddy's death. There was evocative, romantic storytelling, especially with James/Donna/Maddy. It was all very melancholy Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew at times. The series really played up the narcissism of youth, but in an intoxicating, beautiful way for the outside viewer. The series had a huge drop-off in quality after Maddy left (or Leland's death; I forget how good/bad his last episodes were). There were too many nonsensical storylines which were difficult to invest in and lacked the emotional heft that made the first Season and part of the second so great. I didn't care for Season 3 either. I like my David Lynch more "mainstream" (Blue Velvet, Mulholland Dr.).

by Anonymousreply 7August 16, 2022 8:59 AM

I've never seen it! Season 1 has 8 episodes but then Season 2 has 22!? And there's a prequel film and a Season 3 which is 25 years after the first two? That's wild, I need to get into it.

by Anonymousreply 8August 16, 2022 9:47 AM

Totally agree with R4.

by Anonymousreply 9August 16, 2022 10:15 AM

The whole theory that it is all in Laura's head is extremely depressing.

by Anonymousreply 10August 16, 2022 10:17 AM

The Showtime reboot was horrible. Some great imagery, but waaaaaayyyyy too many useless, pointless guest stars. If you made it to the end, the takeaway is that Laura was never murdered, and somehow ended up as a waitress in Odessa, Texas. Grace Zibreskie was the best thing in it, as tortured, ravenous Sarah Palmer. Sarah seemed to know Leland and Laura were fucking, and she hated Laura. She also watched a lot of wild animals devouring lesser species. Sheryl Lee was wasted, and poor Coop.....

by Anonymousreply 11August 16, 2022 10:27 AM

I have thought about rewatching TP - I was obsessed with it when it first came out and it was a cultural…um…obsession but I haven’t seen it since. The actual murder scene was terrifying and seedy and gruesome but the entire show was spun together so well and so oddly. I don’t know how Lynch made it work.

by Anonymousreply 12August 16, 2022 10:33 AM

The writer should have started with easier fluff like Twink Peaks or Twinklight.

by Anonymousreply 13August 16, 2022 10:45 AM

I was living in Montreal and was religiously following TP. On the night, the conclusion was shown, we had a blackout. I never watched it.

by Anonymousreply 14August 16, 2022 10:52 AM

"In late 1989, David Lynch and television producer Mark Frost decided to work together on a biopic of singer and actress Marilyn Monroe based upon Anthony Summers’s book, The Goddess: The Secret Lives of Marilyn Monroe.

Of Monroe, Lynch said: “I always, like ten trillion other people, liked Marilyn Monroe and was fascinated by her life. So when this came along, I was interested, but you know the drill. I got into it carefully… We met with Anthony Summers, who wrote the book. The more we went along, the more it was sort of like UFOs. You’re fascinated by them, but you can’t really prove if they exist. Even if you see pictures, or stories, or people are hypnotized, you never really know. Same thing with Marilyn Monroe and the Kennedys and all this. I can’t figure out even now what’s real and what’s a story. It got into the realm of a bio pic and the Kennedys thing and away from this movie actress that was falling. I got cold on it. And when we put in the script who we thought did her in, the studio bailed out real quick.”

No one ever really seemed to know Monroe; she appeared somewhat of a mystery during her lifetime which turned into myth after her death. Similarly, no one really knew who Laura Palmer was when she was alive, and much less after her death which revealed a side of her completely unknown to even her closest friends. In fact, it is not until her death that we find out who she might really have been.“

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by Anonymousreply 15August 16, 2022 3:58 PM

r15, that very interesting, thanks.

by Anonymousreply 16August 16, 2022 5:18 PM

Killer Bon went inside Leland and made him kill Laura.

by Anonymousreply 17August 17, 2022 5:10 AM

Incredible.

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by Anonymousreply 18August 17, 2022 3:13 PM

I agree that TP is about the evil that men do, but I think it’s also about the nature of mystery, and the duality of man. There are people in Twin Peaks who have the capacity to do wonderful things and those who do incredibly heartless things, and some of them are the same people.

by Anonymousreply 19August 21, 2022 11:19 PM

Id had forgotten how beautiful Kyle was.

by Anonymousreply 20August 21, 2022 11:24 PM

Wasn’t he a dreamboat?

The show is honestly one of the most eye popping visual experiences you can have. All of those gorgeous people bathed in those incredible warm colors.

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by Anonymousreply 21August 21, 2022 11:58 PM

Not trying to sound like an ageist dick but is Sherilyn Fenn sick? At 57 she is bordering on elderly in this photo.

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by Anonymousreply 22August 22, 2022 12:08 AM

Honey, have you seen Lara lately? At least Sherilyn looks human.

by Anonymousreply 23August 22, 2022 12:12 AM

I think Sheryl Lee & Madchen aged the best.

by Anonymousreply 24August 22, 2022 6:14 AM

It's a shame that Sheryl Lee didn't have a bigger career. Her performance as Maddy in the original series and as Laura in Fire Walk With Me are absolutely brilliant.

I don't think she was completely wasted in The Return but I would have preferred more Lee than (sorry) Laura Dern or Naomi Watts. The last scene of The Return was very powerful and Lee was great. It reinforced the idea that trauma never goes away. Laura was dead and all those horrible things did happen to her. Lee's scream was haunting.

It was actually a very grim ending, just like the film.

by Anonymousreply 25August 22, 2022 7:07 AM

I forget how the Showtime series ended.

It lost me with all that Dougie shit. Audrey married a midget???

Anyone care to give a quick synopsis?

by Anonymousreply 26August 22, 2022 8:04 AM

I’m off to bed & can’t summarize the whole shebang, but Audrey didn’t marry the little person. I think he was her therapist & she was in some sort of institution. We last see her at the bar, dancing. Suddenly she wakes up & is staring into a mirror & says “What?? what???”

by Anonymousreply 27August 22, 2022 8:09 AM

Ok, a very quickie of the tail end: Cooper finds Laura, who’s now another character ( a waitress who’s just murdered someone). He drives her back to the Palmer home. He knocks on the door but a different family lives there. Confused, he turns to “Laura” & asks her what year it is, as he doesn’t see, to know. “Laura” hears echoes of Leland & Sarah through the ether, & lets out a horrific scream.

by Anonymousreply 28August 22, 2022 8:13 AM
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