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Do you know an able-bodied adult who has never had a job? What are they like?

I’m reading Tina Brown’s book “The Palace Papers,” and I was shocked to learn Camilla has never ever had a job in her entire life. She seems to be handling her Royal duties fine, but it just surprised me because she didn’t have children until her mid-20’s (and they ended up going to boarding school when they did enter the picture). It made me wonder what she did with her time…and how fulfilling can a life with zero purpose truly be? Camilla doesn’t seem particularly lazy or snobbish…just thought it was strange.

I don’t personally know any person without children or ailments who has never worked. My aunt quit teaching in her late 20’s since she hated it and my uncle was doing well financially…so she has technically not worked my entire life. However, she still had a job for a brief period.

by Anonymousreply 136September 30, 2022 5:40 PM

OMG I knew many women who never had a job. Tho most of them are dead now.

by Anonymousreply 1August 15, 2022 7:42 AM

My maternal grandmother, OP. Not only did she never hold a job outside the home, she had a staff to handle the household work. She took care of the children and sewed.

by Anonymousreply 2August 15, 2022 7:59 AM

Changing 3 times a day and keeping fresh down there.

by Anonymousreply 3August 15, 2022 8:07 AM

I've known several women who never had jobs. They were all from families that were at least moderately well off, and most married during or after college and became housewives.

Two were perpetual students who spent years, or decades, working on advanced degrees in obscure fields where there were no jobs. After finally getting their doctorates, both went from being part-time housewives to full-time housewives.

by Anonymousreply 4August 15, 2022 8:08 AM

They're a lot like these people...

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by Anonymousreply 5August 15, 2022 8:29 AM

I was architect, and model and vairst lady. Also whore, which was a full-time job.

by Anonymousreply 6August 15, 2022 8:43 AM

You mean Donald J. Trump?

by Anonymousreply 7August 15, 2022 11:55 AM

There are several of these people in my family (two are my siblings) and they usually have mental health complaints that everything gets blamed on when the biggest issue is actually parents or romantic partners who never set boundaries. There seems to be a social contagion aspect as well. Once they see one friend or relative collect disability, it becomes their goal as well.

When I say mental health problems, I am referring to personality issues more than anything for which there's medication. Issues that could be overcome with a tremendous amount of honest therapy work and personal accountability, which are the last two things they'll ever willingly sign up for.

by Anonymousreply 8August 15, 2022 12:15 PM

I'd have thought that Camilla would have managed the estate and the social aspects of her husband's career during her marriage.

by Anonymousreply 9August 15, 2022 1:18 PM

She rode horses, had lunch with friends, maybe did some shopping. Before you know it it's time to dress for dinner. Rinse and repeat.

by Anonymousreply 10August 15, 2022 1:30 PM

Taking care of kids and thw house is a job, its slave labor

by Anonymousreply 11August 15, 2022 1:54 PM

Tons of stay at home moms. Maybe some symbolic semi-volunteer gig in their 20s - but there is a thriving subculture of guys who are fine with/want to have a wife whose only job and financial support is them.

by Anonymousreply 12August 15, 2022 2:11 PM

[quote]Taking care of kids and thw house is a job, its slave labor

No, it's a responsibility and it could be considered a part time babysitting job at best.

by Anonymousreply 13August 15, 2022 2:59 PM

I knew many women from my grandmother's generation (Greatest Generation - all dead now) who never worked. They got married and had kids very young and were housewives. I think I've only known maybe 2 or 3 women from my mother's Boomer generation who never worked. I'm Gen X and have never known any women from my own generation who never worked. A few quit their jobs when they had kids, but they still worked for years before that.

by Anonymousreply 14August 15, 2022 3:03 PM

Most of the women who raised families when I was young, a very long time ago, at some point worked. It even then was a necessity though they were full time housewives when the kids were growing up. The idea of getting help for the children was something for the very well off.

by Anonymousreply 15August 15, 2022 5:55 PM

She and her husband had a huge estate (not a huge house, a huge working estate) and two kids. He was in London sleeping with everything that moved while she was either at home dealing with the land or the kids.

I really loathe people who regard raising children as "not a job". My mother worked her ass off and never got any pay, or any respect for everything she did for us while my father got a lot respect and plaudits for a job which, looking back, seemed easier and more enjoyable than raising 4 kids alone at home before making dinner and ensuring he was as comfortable as possible when he got home for his "Downtime". My mother didn't just have a job, she had an unpaid 24 hour a day job. There was no "Downtime" for her.

by Anonymousreply 16August 15, 2022 6:02 PM

R16, this is about jobs outside the home. Not about how hard a mother and/or wife works in the home. The two are not the same.

by Anonymousreply 17August 15, 2022 11:31 PM

I think Meghan is the only female member of the BRF to have had a real job and a real career.

by Anonymousreply 18August 15, 2022 11:36 PM

Princess Anne has always worked her ass off. The Queen is still going at 96.

by Anonymousreply 19August 15, 2022 11:41 PM

When poor women do it, they're called golddiggers.

When women from the upper classes do it, it's called marrying well.

by Anonymousreply 20August 15, 2022 11:52 PM

[quote]Princess Anne has always worked her ass off.

Going to lunches and dinners, cutting a few ribbons, and sitting in a handful of meetings out of which you won't be expected to actually do or produce anything other than going to additional lunches, dinners, and cutting a few ribbons, is NOT working your ass off.

by Anonymousreply 21August 15, 2022 11:55 PM

She's done a lot all her life r21. And Meghan wasn't exactly working in a coal mine.

by Anonymousreply 22August 15, 2022 11:57 PM

I've only known wealthy children of wealthier parents who've never worked.

Oh, attending board meetings and sitting on non-profit boards with cachet don't really count as "jobs," do they? Or being punished as teens by having to clean (a small portion of) the stables and pens?

by Anonymousreply 23August 15, 2022 11:58 PM

[quote]I think Meghan is the only female member of the BRF to have had a real job and a real career.

Her acting resume is pretty sparse. Sitting around on a set for hours and then having months off in between jobs isn't exactly working hard.

by Anonymousreply 24August 15, 2022 11:58 PM

These women are duchesses and princesses.

What do you expect them to do... wash windows on skyscrapers?

by Anonymousreply 25August 16, 2022 12:06 AM

[quote] I think Meghan is the only female member of the BRF to have had a real job and a real career.

Kate worked for the company Jigsaw after college as an accessory buyer, and then worked as a party organzier before she married William. They may not have been hard jobs, but they were jobs.

Diana worked as a kindergarten teacher's aide and also as a housecleaner (for her sister!).

by Anonymousreply 26August 16, 2022 12:09 AM

My mother never worked - straight from school to university to engagement (when she dropped out of uni to focus on the Wedding (capital W intentional).

Then my dad died young and completely unexpectedly and she had to go out in the world at 43 to get a job to put food on the table with three kids. She was completely unprepared for it and the result wasn’t pretty.

by Anonymousreply 27August 16, 2022 12:21 AM

My mother never worked. She married twice and was a housewife the entire time. My father was her second husband and he made a good salary, so she spent the twenty years with him in bed reading (we had a maid come in once a week and my dad actually did the cooking). Then when they got divorced, she got a big settlement, bought a nice home in California and spent the remining forty years of her life in bed reading and watching TV. She did do some volunteering sometimes, but not a lot. She made it to 86 with this completely sedentary life.

by Anonymousreply 28August 16, 2022 1:29 AM

God bless them. Maybe I’ll be born into that life the next time around. Work sucks.

by Anonymousreply 29August 16, 2022 1:56 AM

Of course.

I know people born to enough money that they never worked. They might have served on boards or dine unpaid service for charitable groups, but they never had professional careers, never received money for time worked

I've known housewives and househusbands and partners who never worked, though some had law degrees from prestigious schools, or maybe their degrees were meant to make them more improved and more interesting people, not fodder for salaried work.

I've known people whose mental health kept them from any but naybe a few aborted jobs that lasted days ir maybe hours.

I've known people who never leave the family home stick around as caretakers of some sort, or just company to misery (something of a usually low rent side to the item #1 coin.)

I've known people with physical disabilities who never worked.

I've known credit card hippies who reach their mid-40s or later never having done more than write an unpaid sidebar mini-essay about their favorite things in Ibiza, or got to keep some of the clothes they modelled for a one-off fashion shoot.

I've known people who work (very hard in some cases) at staying always attached to someone who will see that that don't ever have to take formal employment.

by Anonymousreply 30September 19, 2022 10:18 AM

My grandmother and my great aunt, her sister, never had work outside their homes.

by Anonymousreply 31September 19, 2022 10:34 AM

No as I come from and live in a working class area. I would love love to not work as I hate it (even though I work at home) and I see it as a drain on my time.

by Anonymousreply 32September 19, 2022 10:41 AM

Personally, I adopted this motto and retired early as I could:

"Work to live, not live to work."

For me, work was merely a means to an end.

by Anonymousreply 33September 19, 2022 11:21 AM

The members of the BRF.

Except us, of course.

by Anonymousreply 34September 19, 2022 11:34 AM

[quote]I’m reading Tina Brown’s book “The Palace Papers,” and I was shocked to learn Camilla has never ever had a job in her entire life.

That's funny, OP, because according to Wikipedia she worked as a secretary for a variety of firms, as well as a receptionist.

In any case, if she stopped working after she got married, that wouldn't have been so unusual(and it's not exactly rare these days, either).

by Anonymousreply 35September 19, 2022 12:25 PM

The Queen Mother was almost 23 when she married, hadn't gone to college and may have been done with her formal education before she was 18 and seems to have never worked. Her family hosted a lot of wounded soldiers in the war and she did help take care of some for a time, so that would count as volunteering. But unclear what she did except go to parties and travel for the years between the end of the war and her marriage. Admittedly, this was all a century ago.

More recently, I don't think Barbara Bush ever had a job. She married George when she was 19. They had six kids, five of whom reached adulthood.

Raising kids and taking care of a home IS work, if not a "job", but some women actually did and do that, and some have servants who do almost all of it, so when they don't have a job outside the home it's a different story.

by Anonymousreply 36September 19, 2022 12:43 PM

Ever heard of NEETs OP? I know quite a few.

All are men living off disability/welfare who spend all day on twitter or discord yelling at other people.

by Anonymousreply 37September 19, 2022 12:45 PM

HR bitches of course

by Anonymousreply 38September 19, 2022 12:59 PM

My neighbor across the street has a 26 year old son that in 5 years has not worked more than a couple of week. She had a flat tire a while back and asked me to change it for her. The son was home but “does not know how to work on cars.”. I should note his live-in girlfriend who also does nothing just had their first child a couple of weeks ago.

by Anonymousreply 39September 19, 2022 1:02 PM

My late brother—kinda. He had a statutory rape conviction (he was 20, the girl was 16). This was forty years ago. My dad paid a crooked judge 15,000 to haven’t day and died of a coronary at 51. No great loss to anyone. it expunged—judge was so crooked that he took the money and didn’t bother having it expunged. My brother would get a low-level factory judge and a month later would be fired (background checks took longer). He met a woman at community college—wealthy spinster, happy to have a husband she could control. He never worked anoth

by Anonymousreply 40September 19, 2022 1:07 PM

I had a great-aunt who married very young, maybe not even 18. Her husband went to college and was only a few years older. They had three kids and were well-off, (and lived in a low cost part of the country) although not vastly wealthy or aristocrats or anything upper crust. I think later on she was a volunteer, but that's it. I don't know if there was much time between the marriage and the first kid and if she did anything then.

Her mother's story was very similar, except I don't know that she even volunteered, just maybe went to ladies' lunches connected to some charity she supported. We don't know much about her youth so maybe she had a job when she was 17 or something. They may have had maids too, at least some of the time. I think they cooked though. Again comfortable, but not gentry. They both lived to a ripe old age.

by Anonymousreply 41September 19, 2022 1:10 PM

WTF is that nonsense, R40??? A little early to be hitting the bottle, dear.

by Anonymousreply 42September 19, 2022 1:15 PM

I know a gay who is in his mid-thirties and has never had a job, and seems to have no intention of ever getting one.

He still lives with his parents – who plead with him to make something of his life, despite funding his continuing indolence. He’s obsessed with being gay, and spends his life travelling to pretty much every pride across the UK, and hanging out, increasingly desperately, with groups of twinks a decade younger than him.

He posts on social media about how fabulous everything is, but in reality he’s suffering increasingly badly from depression and I dread to think what’s going to happen a few years on when the twinks lose interest.

It’s a little sad – we used to be quite friendly, but increasingly we have nothing in common as he’s still living his live like he’s a teenager.

by Anonymousreply 43September 19, 2022 1:16 PM

Maybe his parents should cut him off?

by Anonymousreply 44September 19, 2022 1:17 PM

[quote]I really loathe people who regard raising children as "not a job". My mother worked her ass off and never got any pay, or any respect for everything she did for us while my father got a lot respect and plaudits for a job which, looking back, seemed easier and more enjoyable than raising 4 kids alone at home before making dinner and ensuring he was as comfortable as possible when he got home for his "Downtime". My mother didn't just have a job, she had an unpaid 24 hour a day job.

That's called life. Raising kids is not a job; it's a responsibility. Everyone else who actually has a real job has to do alllll of that on top of working. Please shut the fuck up. She was just a housewife. It is not a 24 / hour a day job. She never slept either? Give it a rest.

by Anonymousreply 45September 19, 2022 2:44 PM

Am currently out of work (30/F), but have had several jobs in the past (all low-paying service roles, despite having a BA), and struggle to keep them thanks to issues with depression. This country is making it near-impossible for anyone to work according to their individual capability or to better their circumstances; unless you’re already comfortably wealthy thanks to family money and connections, it’s 50+ hours of weekly drudgery that barely keeps the lights on or the wains fed, and it never fucking ends until you age out or die. It’s a covert return to serfdom.

On the current and updated system for Universal Credit (ie. benefits, obviously it would be too big a lie to call them that anymore), if you’re not working full-time at the first worst post you’re offered, the office will be fucking hounding you about it every minute of the day—harassment and stalking levels of contact. Then once you’re in work, even if it’s just a few hours a week on minimum wage at some dangerous uncontracted role, you will be expected to spend any spare time seeking another job or three, or beg your current employer for double the hours. If you can’t do this inside of a few months, you are sanctioned or fined, and your paltry Credit is cut off.

Tell you right now for free that the job-centre don’t give a fuck whether you can’t work full-time or work certain jobs, perhaps because you’ve got kids and you can’t afford childcare, or because you’re a carer for an elderly or disabled person, or because you can’t physically get to certain locations or perform certain tasks, or you have an illness/are suicidal, any other issue. They don’t give a fuck either how hard it is to find jobs in whatever industry in which you can capably and somewhat happily work. They’d want us all doing too many hours a week in an Amazon warehouse, so they don’t have to pay out any Credit and so they look like the most efficient department in Government. They will even take your money away, to punish you for not making enough pittance and not slaving enough, so that they don’t risk a wage-docking themselves.

The cruelty is, as ever, the point. Fuck the Tories.

by Anonymousreply 46September 23, 2022 1:19 PM

R2 that sounds like my maternal grandmother (currently in her 80s), only rather than take care of her kids she went out drinking and socialising at the Aero Club and left the little ones with the houseboys.

And she couldn’t sew well, either. Does make a mean pot of jam when she on rare occasion feels like it, though.

She has no sympathy or understanding with her granddaughters who struggle with working full-time and child-rearing, or caring for her old arse. She’s genuinely blinkered to women who haven’t had her privileges, and expects the poorer women of her family to give up what little time and money they have to take care of her.

by Anonymousreply 47September 23, 2022 1:30 PM

My sister never worked, got married while in college and the guy came from money. She went back to school years later to complete her degree, but did nothing with it. She always wanted to be something, but was never willing to actually put in the effort. She’s the only one in our family that never worked, even our mom did.

by Anonymousreply 48September 23, 2022 1:36 PM

OP

Who do you think Joanne was taking down in "Ladies Who Lunch"?

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by Anonymousreply 49September 23, 2022 1:54 PM

My cousin. He opened a video store in 1980 and closed it in 1981. That was his only job. Married a girl who has a great job plus family money. Not sure how he gets away with it but he does. He’s not even attractive and now weighs about 350 lbs.

by Anonymousreply 50September 23, 2022 1:55 PM

I went to University, got a Finance Degree in 1986, started trading Currencies from home with the rudimentary web we all had back then, got on the Crypto Currency bandwagon in about 2010, and mined a lot of Bitcoin (which I still have and have never sold) and have never stopped trading really one day since '86. I have never gone into an office or held a regular 9-5 position. I tossed pizza at night and sold blood to get through University. I don't know if this counts because day trading takes up about 18 hours of my day (since '86). It has put a decent roof over my head, late model Camry's in my driveway, and kept me fed and cared for healthwise. I have always splurged on the latest TVs and video stuff, computers (for work), and the fastest internet connection I can find (again for work). I guess this means I have never had a "job." My house and furniture are very average for America. I don't know where this places me. Probably I have been either really, really stupid ... or really, really smart. Basically, I have sat quietly in a small dark room, in front of multiple monitors, constantly trading since 1986. Sigh. I guess it is better than being a Darfur orphan...(or Vivian Vance). If not for my two really great dogs (several generations of them now), I would have most likely killed myself. Except for expensive toys, it is just bare existence.

by Anonymousreply 51September 23, 2022 1:55 PM

hard to blame people for opting out if they have the chance, when the typical job listing online these days is like

1. Talent Associate at Solutions Dynamics (pyramid scheme) 2. We are looking for a jack-of-all-trades “Blockchain Guru” 3. Tutor My Children (unpaid) 4. McDonald’s Are Hiring! 5. Earn $100k Working At Home!!!!! (phishing scam) 6. [listing that expired in 2019] 7. Brand Manager (Tiktok) at Keystone Pipeline

by Anonymousreply 52September 23, 2022 1:58 PM

Friends’ friend was the son of one of the original owners of a big box store. He and his girlfriend presented as bohemians but lived in a McMansion with pool, traveled around, and lived off of his stock dividends. They had a party a week and seemed to have some arrested development.

by Anonymousreply 53September 23, 2022 2:08 PM

I think Meghan is the only female member of the BRF to have had a real job and a real career.

From Sophie, Countess of Wessex' Wiki

. Rhys-Jones then trained as a secretary at West Kent College, Tonbridge.[11]

She began a career in public relations, working for a variety of firms, including four years at Capital Radio,[12] where she was assigned to the press and promotions department, as well as public relations companies The Quentin Bell Organisation and MacLaurin Communications & Media.[13] She also worked as a ski representative in Switzerland and spent a year travelling and working in Australia. In 1996, Rhys-Jones launched her public relations agency, RJH Public Relations, which she ran with her business partner, Murray Harkin, for five years.[13][14]

by Anonymousreply 54September 23, 2022 2:38 PM

Zara Tindall is a qualified physiotherapist, don't know if she's ever practiced though.

by Anonymousreply 55September 23, 2022 2:43 PM

Neither of my grandmothers ever worked, they both married young and went straight from living with their parents to living with their husbands, my mother did the same. One of my grandmothers never drove. In the town and generation and class they were born into, it was considered lower class/undignified for a woman to work, especially if she was married. Also, my mother was expected to give up her career as soon as she was married. I'm thirty- six, so this isn't that long ago.

by Anonymousreply 56September 23, 2022 2:48 PM

I could have written R8.

Im a self starter and driven workaholic. There are times when I vegetate but the gears keep turning in my head with what I'm currently doing or want to do in the future.

I've known people like Camilla. I just don't get them and I find it insufferable to spend any significant amount of time with them.

by Anonymousreply 57September 23, 2022 3:13 PM

r4 perpetual students has become a form of employment in and of itself in indigenous communities... there's periodic crackdowns but they never hold because they actually go whereas most drop out and only a few graduate.. so they balance out the stats that keeps the federal funding open. (but contrary to popular non-ndn belief, they don't go to school for free; tuition and associated fees have to be paid but that doesn't matter to some people because they'll default on loans while in the meantime, the supplemental and stipends will kick in to cover their other expenses. There are other methods but that is one of the more common and it varies but tribal govt and programs. There are some that do graduate but perpetually collect degrees and certificates because they don't have to start paying back loans if they start another program in the same grace period, etc)

You used to be able to do that with AmeriCorps (undergrad) and PeaceCorps (grad school) - but around 2010(?) govt gutted AmeriCorps and now it's limited to a subsidized award and for PeaceCorps, you used to be able go to school, then go back to PC and do it over again. but they gave unis too much control, so they stopped the stipends or severely limited them and now most unis only allow it for certain majors rather than all. . . plus service and support has gone to shit in the last few decades.

by Anonymousreply 58September 23, 2022 3:19 PM

"I learned the truth at seventeen That love was meant for beauty queens And high school girls with clear-skinned smiles Who married young and then retired…"

Janis Ian released "At Seventeen" in 1975, and that's what she was talking about. Young women who married shortly after graduating high school or college, then "retired" from the world so to speak. They became housewives and mothers.

Well past 1970's throughout much of USA and Western Europe a married woman's lot was the Three K's in German; Kinder, Küche, Kirche ( children, kitchen, church).

On other side of things even among laboring classes where money was tight, many men saw it as a reflection on their ability to provide for their families if their wives worked.

Recall watching "Father of The Bride" (the 1950's version) with some young female cousins. At end of it one of them piped up that she couldn't see the point of Mrs. Stanley Banks, and Kay Banks being sent to college (which families paid for out of pocket, no financial aid then), when all they did was quickly got married and had babies.

by Anonymousreply 59September 24, 2022 12:39 AM

R59 Presumably you could have told them that those women went to college to get their "Mrs. Degree" by marrying a "college man" who would be a catch and also that college tuition was a lot less then, so this was not SUCH a huge investment on their parents' part, esp. if they went to a state school, but even a private one, and factoring in that they might not even finish if they got engaged or married to a man they met there.

by Anonymousreply 60September 24, 2022 2:35 AM

I am the first person in my family who always has a job (vs their never had a job) and supports myself except for my Nana who did stop working when she was around 50 and went on welfare or disability. I hate working but I can't fathom living in poverty intentionally or depending on a series of men.

by Anonymousreply 61September 24, 2022 2:50 AM

In a sad commentary state pension/social security schemes reinforce stay at home wives/mothers, often at expense of those who do work.

A woman who marries well to making an excellent match (read husband is well off), is often eligible for more spousal and or widow benefits from US SS system than women who have worked all their lives (say 35 or whatever years).

Closing of wage gap is helping younger women, but there are still plenty of Boomer aged females and above who are living on quite low SS benefits because their work record simply reflects decades of low wage income.

by Anonymousreply 62September 25, 2022 9:39 PM

I lived in CT for 16 years. Almost all of the women there do not work and many have never worked. I a convinced they have a plan to have 3 to 4 children who are just enough apart in years so they can never "go back to work"-- Kelsey will still be in school!!!

by Anonymousreply 63September 25, 2022 10:06 PM

My cousin married the daughter of a very rich man. She never worked as far as I know. She idolizes Melanie Trump. They spend their life traveling and going to luxury spas. . They have issues with their kids but seem to enjoy their life. They certainly aren’t miserable.

by Anonymousreply 64September 25, 2022 10:12 PM

I know a man of independent means. He dabbles in art, does some community organizing and signs checks on behalf of his family’s charitable foundation. He’s a very kind man, gentle, gracious and discreet and has verified size meat.

by Anonymousreply 65September 25, 2022 10:13 PM

Melania …my cousin was very poor growing up so it’s a charmed life for him.

by Anonymousreply 66September 25, 2022 10:13 PM

I have a nephew who graduated from college last spring and still hasn't bothered to get a job. His mom thought he was too precious to work even a summer job during high school or college and now they are paying his rent while he "looks for a job". His resume is completely empty except for his degree.

I don't know how long they're planning on supporting him, but they don't have tons of money. They just recently stopped supporting his older brother who, after years of college, has his dream job working in retail. At least the younger son got a degree.

I'm concerned this is going to end badly.

by Anonymousreply 67September 25, 2022 10:13 PM

Didn't Camilla do something with horses or gardening everyday?

Every time I see a satire of her on BBC, they always have her dressed as a yeoman.

by Anonymousreply 68September 25, 2022 10:14 PM

Flip side of this is for a few decades now men from certain backgrounds are only marrying females from same. Days of some secretary or whatever nabbing a junior executive or whatever are largely over. Men from these backgrounds are looking for someone who can pull their own weight if needed, especially should couple divorce.

Nowadays it's Princeton marries Princeton, Yale marries Harvard, etc...

You see this with gay marriages as well. Lawyers marrying bankers, physicians marrying tech bro...

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by Anonymousreply 69September 25, 2022 10:18 PM

IIRC New York among some others treats academic degrees earned during a marriage as community property. So a wife who remained out of workforce to enable her husband (by whatever means) to get his undergraduate and or graduate degree can and usually will be compensated if say 20 or so years later couple divorce.

This obviously applies to small subset of spouses, and that number has been steadily declining for decades.

Many of such wives were married back before say 1980's when such arrangements were common. Mother of a HS friend got his father through med school and post graduate residency via her earnings as a RN. Once he had an established practice she cut back and eventually stopped working to live life of a "doctor's wife". Fast forward to their 60's when couple divorced the wife fought for and got a nice settlement based upon her putting husband through college as it were.

You now see why men today want wives who already have their degrees and perhaps even a career.

by Anonymousreply 70September 25, 2022 10:26 PM

R70 New York is not a community property state!

by Anonymousreply 71September 25, 2022 10:59 PM

Academic/professional degrees earned during a marriage were considered part of marital estate by NYS court ruling. Then lawmakers changed things so it wasn't exactly.

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by Anonymousreply 72September 25, 2022 11:49 PM

Yes I've known a few. They were all insufferable.

by Anonymousreply 73September 26, 2022 12:00 AM

Trading your pussy for money is prostitution. So either admit that your mother was nothing but a whore or say she was unemployed. What a fucking INSULT to anyone who actually worked. Bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 74September 26, 2022 12:29 AM

[quote] He still lives with his parents – who plead with him to make something of his life, despite funding his continuing indolence. He’s obsessed with being gay, and spends his life travelling to pretty much every pride across the UK, and hanging out, increasingly desperately, with groups of twinks a decade younger than him.

They may want to stop funding his shit. Just a thought.

by Anonymousreply 75September 26, 2022 12:35 AM

My lesbian cousin. Bunch of advanced degrees and rich parents. She’s beating up 50 and still living at home. I don’t think she’s ever actually worked.

by Anonymousreply 76September 26, 2022 12:39 AM

My boyfriend

by Anonymousreply 77September 26, 2022 12:57 AM

My step son.

by Anonymousreply 78September 26, 2022 1:05 AM

You need to get out more. There are a lot of older women who got married and were supported by their husbands straight out of school, or fundie Christians who think it's a sin for women to work outside the home

Then there's the trust fund crowd

Not sure that all these people are unfulfilled. Most people work because they have to, not because they want to. A lot of people hate their jobs

by Anonymousreply 79September 26, 2022 1:13 AM

I don’t really count women, especially the older generations as they were encouraged not to work.

by Anonymousreply 80September 26, 2022 1:17 AM

I don’t think it’s odd that Camilla never had a career. For women in her class in the UK, it’s the exception rather than the rule to have a career. She did have jobs tho - I believe she was a secretary at one of the high end interior design firms prior to her marriage. Once married, she took to taking care of the house, having children, managing the social side of her husband’s career, riding, gardening, and volunteering with different charities. It was, and to a certain extent still is, the done thing within this class of UK society. Had Diana never married Charles, her life would have been quite similar to Camilla’s (the Parker-Bowles years, and obviously without being a royal mistress) ironically enough.

I know plenty of women, and a few men, who never had a job much less a career. Most were of a different generation. I had a great aunt, that side of the family had some money. I’m pretty sure prior to her first marriage, she volunteered during the First World War as a candy striper type of thing - I recall her stories about writing letters for soldiers, reading to them. She married soon after the war, and married well. That husband passed away within a year tho from I think the Spanish Flu. She repaired to Europe to get over the grief, visit family (her brother, my great uncle, settled in Paris after the war in what I learned many years later was a mariage blanc but that’s a story for another time!). There she met an exiled Russian noble - one of the very few who still had money. Married him, settled in Europe, then fast forward a few years, and he’s dead. Back to NYC she came, and just did a lot of volunteering. She did take classes at the Art Students League (she was actually pretty talented), but never a job. She did something during WWII - I want to say an air raid warden? - but otherwise it was all charities, lunches, dinners, theatre, her art, weekends away, type of life for her. Her third and last husband was a Danish hotelier - they married in 1949. They traveled, entertained, dined out. He worked but as it was a family owned business, not very hard. He died in the early 1970’s. As my grandmother remarked “she’s buried not just three husbands, but three rich husbands.”

Auntie never worked, she had her ladies she was on charity boards with, she still traveled all over right up till the end really. She was the type of woman that always wore a dress, always had a hat and gloves, and brooches - I remember when she did die, my mother was going thru things and there was easily 250 brooches - all good stuff, no paste. She was very good to us - my father was her favorite nephew - and was always included in all events, even those from my mother’s family. She may never have had a job, but she was always active - hers was not a life lounging in her peignoir on the chaise all day waiting to dress for dinner.

by Anonymousreply 81September 26, 2022 1:42 AM

We have at least three people in my family suffering schizophrenia that skirted that fine line to where they’d be granted disability income, but then ruin it by taking a shit job. Then, they’d lose medicaid health insurance and not be able to afford private insurance. Managing their care has always been a struggle.

They live with the parents, aren’t allowed coffee, have their cigarettes and lighters rationed, and get pawned off on the oldest sister OR gay brother once the folks die. I skipped out on my nut.

by Anonymousreply 82September 26, 2022 1:42 AM

I've known a few actors and artists who live off mommy and daddy or their spouse who makes more money than they do, but many of those will book a job here and there. It's just not consistent. I don't think it's possible to survive in that world without someone supporting you at least a little bit along the way. It can be so hit or miss.

by Anonymousreply 83September 26, 2022 1:51 AM

Plenty. Most of them act like they do stuff. “I’m so busy” is a frequent lament.

by Anonymousreply 84September 26, 2022 1:52 AM

The aunt of my best friend growing up seemingly never worked, or at least never has for as long as I've known her. She was an early, pre-Internet NEET and, aside from occasionally watching over my friend and picking us up from school, would spend her days watching TV and writing Beauty and the Beast (the TV show) fan fiction. She was also grossly obese for that era and was the largest person I knew for many years.

It's mind-blowing that her life has become more common as time goes on.

by Anonymousreply 85September 26, 2022 1:58 AM

I have 4 friends on permanent disability. Switzerland. They are very able bodied. One I bet when he was a gorgeous and charming shrink. He has a mild neurodevelopmental challenge. Very mild. We cruised together for years in bars, cruisy parks, saunas. He's a lovely guy and has a subsidized apartment and his utility to society is that he's pleasant and a sex bomb. Two other gay guy now in their 40s only worked a few years and then permanent disability. Not physical. Something lightly mental. They simply can't work. I never pushed for details. They have subsidized apartments and spend their days doing things like a retired person might do, but they are young. Or were young. A lot of time for sex. 4th guy same deal but straight. Can't work for some mental reason. The canton seemed to push him hard to try to work so he was placed here and there in fake jobs consisting on useless busy work. he's a punk and in his 50s now. Has a million artistic endeavors and knows everyone in the city.

by Anonymousreply 86September 26, 2022 2:02 AM

the sentence should read - gorgeous and charming TWINK. he was a bomb!

by Anonymousreply 87September 26, 2022 2:02 AM

Just because you don't work doesn't mean your life has "zero purpose." A lot of people find their jobs meaningless. Needless to say, a person without employment needs discipline and interests.

by Anonymousreply 88September 26, 2022 2:11 AM

My cousin was drop dead gorgeous and really smart. Tall, thin, blonde…she kind of looked like Carolyn Bisette Kennedy without the big nose. She dated the rich, preppy, trust fund dude in high school. They got married after they both got their bachelors degrees. They both went on to get advanced degrees, and he went to work in a high end position at Microsoft (this was in the mid 90’s and he is still there so you can imagine what he is worth now with stock shares). She just kept taking classes and getting degrees…she never had a job that paid her. She got bored and had an affair with a random that she met at the gym. She was supposed to be trying for a baby, so her husband was devastated. She is living off alimony and still hasn’t worked. She is with the gym dude but they won’t get married until the 10 years of alimony expires (any day now.) She is now fat, so it won’t end well.

by Anonymousreply 89September 26, 2022 2:13 AM

I knew a guy who lived off a trust fund. He was bright, fun, didn't squander money and spent his time volunteering for HIV and gay causes.

His family lived on the East Coast. When I tried to inquire about them, he shut me down (nicely) and said he had no contact with them. I gather it was a "take the money and leave because you're gay" situation.

by Anonymousreply 90September 26, 2022 2:35 AM

I knew someone who worked. And then they died.

by Anonymousreply 91September 26, 2022 10:40 AM

We had a family friend who never held a job in his life. His family had a successful business on the East Coast. They apparently paid him money to stay away. Now if I were him, I would have taken a job, even a part-time job, in order to save some of that money for a rainy day. But he lived a good life, doing what he pleased, including volunteering for some local organizations.

And then the family firm went bankrupt. And their dad lost his mind and spent all of his savings literally on hookers and blow even though he was elderly. So no money left to inherit. And by this time our friend was in his late '50s. He borrowed some money from us and moved to another state. Hoping to make a new start. Of course we never heard from him again. Looking him up online, I see he is in subsidized senior housing. I don't know what he's living on, since I don't think he had enough work credits in his whole life for social security, and I'm sure it's quite a big come down from what he was accustomed to.

by Anonymousreply 92September 28, 2022 12:35 PM

Maybe he also became ill?

by Anonymousreply 93September 28, 2022 12:48 PM

[quote]Do you know an able-bodied adult who has never had a job?

What is this "job" you speak of?

by Anonymousreply 94September 28, 2022 2:12 PM

A young heiress who, owing to some unspecified trauma in infancy, received nothing but sympathy and money from her parents. All the young lady has to do herself in life is take a shit and eventually one day die.

by Anonymousreply 95September 28, 2022 4:17 PM

As a lawyer who works in estates and trusts, I see this pretty often. I have a few close ones:

My 100yo paternal grandmother next worked (although she likes to remind you that during the war she was a teacher for 2 years). Her parents died when she was 12 and her uncle was the sheriff, a very, very lucrative political position at the time so she was taken care of. My grandfather was a lawyer so she was well off there. She took care of the 5 kids with 2 maids in tow.

A cousin of mine married a guy who has oil revenues from generations back. He's never worked other than having a "playtime" business that installed high end stereos but that was too much for him. Now he splits time between Savannah and Jackson Hole. I quite envy him, he literally hasn't a care in the world. His world is devoted to fun, although he does one frustrating thing for "normal people." He will commonly go with you to an expensive restaurant and order the whole menu, and then, when he samples everything, he will order multiples of the things he likes. It's an easy way to stuck with a percentage of a huge bill. My cousin I will concede was a very hands on mother to their VERY high maintenance children, one of whom has found college too "stressful" and is currently finding himself on his parents dime (via expensive german cars and music festivals). Now my cousin spends her time building a new multimillion dollar houses for them; she's on the third since the kids graduated from highschool. They make some bucks on each one but I think she just needs something to do. Ultimately, they're nice people, but have no concept of money. Anything they want, they just buy without a second thought.

The last close one is a friend of mine that I met in a car club. He also comes from a political dynasty, in which a member went to jail for bribing our governor in exchange for some political graft to the tune of a few hundred million. He has literally done nothing with his life other than travel, party, shoot guns, and drive expensive cars. His day consists of taking his dads jet to Aspen, Miami, Europe and having a Veuve Cliquot fight with his equally useless Mary Kate and Ashley clone sisters, then spinning his Ferrari out on the interstate going over 100 miles per hour, and then eating $500 meals with his obvious gold digger fiancé while posting the skating rink he proposed to her with on Instagram. I strangely don't envy this guy other than I wish I had access to his resources. I feel like he could be doing alot of good in the world with them but instead chooses to conspicuously consume and just generally be useless.

by Anonymousreply 96September 28, 2022 4:46 PM

My partner.

He comes from an upper middle class family. When his grandfather died they found out he had some money tucked away due to a patent he sold to the US govt. He went to school for "hospitality" and is a fantastic cook, but is so misanthropic he would never survive in an actual restaurant. After several failed job searches, his mom finally told him that they have enough money to make sure he never has to work and so he gave up.

He now smokes a lot of weed, gardens, and volunteers at our local animal shelter. We own a condo in a very competitive real estate market because we were able to put 25% down (from his money) and our mortgage is less than 1/3 of what the rent would be for a similar place. He doesn't really understand the concept of a job and it annoys me at times, but we live a relatively quiet existence.

We are comfortable enough to be bored, but aren't wealthy enough to be interesting.

by Anonymousreply 97September 28, 2022 5:11 PM

I wish my CEO had never had a job.

by Anonymousreply 98September 28, 2022 5:15 PM

One of my friend's moms told me she had never had a job, I knew her in the 1970s. She's still alive, and still never has had a job. The family was not wealthy, they were middle class. My mom didn't work from around the time I was born to the time I was 15. That was pretty common then, but a mom who had never had a job, even before getting married, was rare.

by Anonymousreply 99September 28, 2022 5:17 PM

PS What was she like? She was nice, funny, a little bit mild or passive. The dad was kind of a jerk.

by Anonymousreply 100September 28, 2022 5:19 PM

I come from a long line of poor people: All of my ancestors, women included, had jobs. I'm currently working 3 jobs, one full-time and two part-time, so I can buy a house someday. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who piss away their youth because of family support and then end up broke and desperate in middle age. I also don't have much sympathy for people with minor mental complaints who say they can't work.

I get depressed, too. Get some decent meds and get a fucking job.

by Anonymousreply 101September 28, 2022 5:33 PM

Of course, many women of my parents generation and a couple few from mine who chose not to work (wives) or were independently wealthy. I make no generalizations for any of them other than they had a choice most people don’t have.

by Anonymousreply 102September 28, 2022 5:34 PM

I'm working class and I've never known anyone close to me (family or friends) who hasn't had to work. It boggles my mind that such people exist, but that's massive wealth inequality for you.

by Anonymousreply 103September 28, 2022 5:45 PM

A lot of women have never really had to work because they married money. As a female, I view them with a mixture of contempt and envy.

by Anonymousreply 104September 28, 2022 5:48 PM

Back when you could afford to live on one income, and even raise a family on one income (and not even a large income) it wasn't unusual for women not to work. This would be pre-1970s. Some got married young, and never had a job. Others worked before getting married, or raising kids. But none of the moms in my neighborhood (in the 60s) worked, even most of the married women who had no kids didn't work. The economy was very different.

by Anonymousreply 105September 28, 2022 5:50 PM

R105 I am referring to women post-1970s who have never worked so not sure the one-income economy theory holds for them (though I do agree with you for married people before then).

by Anonymousreply 106September 28, 2022 5:57 PM

R105

Not only was the economy different, it was shameful for middle-class+ women to work because it made it look like the husband was not a good provider. Women were often fired once they married so they "weren't taking a job from a man who had to support a family." Women with kids were expected to stay home. If money wasn't needed, only a very independent woman would continue to work, and often she was exceptionally well educated or had a strong passion to pursue an interest.

by Anonymousreply 107September 28, 2022 5:59 PM

1980 was 42 years ago. Very few people of working age today were adults when married mothers working outside the home was remotely unusual or scandalous.

by Anonymousreply 108September 28, 2022 6:09 PM

[quote]Women were often fired once they married so they "weren't taking a job from a man who had to support a family."

Generally, back then, women had different jobs from men. They were nurses, secretaries, receptionists, hairdressers, clerks, cashiers, department store workers, teachers, or in manufacturing jobs that were woman-oriented (clothing, etc.).

by Anonymousreply 109September 28, 2022 6:19 PM

[quote]Not only was the economy different, it was shameful for middle-class+ women to work because it made it look like the husband was not a good provider.

I don't think it was exactly shameful, but them my parents were just middle class. I was the first child and was born 11 years after my parents got married, and my mom worked the entire time until then, Why not? I don't think anyone thought it was shameful. My aunt worked once her kids were young teenagers.

by Anonymousreply 110September 28, 2022 6:22 PM

*then

by Anonymousreply 111September 28, 2022 6:22 PM

R109

It really didn't matter; until laws where changed along with other forces employers routinely fired or flat out did not hire married women. In addition to above comment on matter employers feared a wife would take marching orders from her husband, and thus was not reliable. This applied to nurses, secretaries, and rest of those you mentioned.

For married women who did manage to keep their jobs, once they became pregnant it usually meant leaving work as well.

There was also the long and deep seated idea that women worked merely to earn "pin money". This dove tails with the often pitiful wages paid to not only females employed in pink ghetto careers, but across the board. Wage discrimination goes back well before WWI and again affected nearly every female who worked. Where college educated or even those with post graduate degree females could find work in chosen fields they were often if not usually paid less than males for doing same work.

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by Anonymousreply 112September 28, 2022 7:12 PM

The "marriage bar"

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by Anonymousreply 113September 28, 2022 7:13 PM

Hilarious but none the less pretty accurate picture regarding state of women employment in GB during 1980's from Britcom "Yes Minister".

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by Anonymousreply 114September 28, 2022 7:16 PM

Donny Junior, Ivanka and Eric.

Never worked a day in their lives

by Anonymousreply 115September 28, 2022 7:24 PM

R97, do you work? Or is it just your partner who doesn't (never did) work?

by Anonymousreply 116September 28, 2022 7:29 PM

R55, Zara Tindall was/is an Olympic level equestrian. Any sport at the level would take a lot of work and dedication. She also helps run her mother’s estate. I also have a notion she has something to do with Cheltenham racecourse too but I might be wrong about that.

by Anonymousreply 117September 28, 2022 7:30 PM

From above linked Wiki piece:

"Discrimination against married female teachers in the US was not terminated until 1964 with the passing of the Civil Rights Act."

That was legal termination, what went on locally as with other discrimination went on far longer.

by Anonymousreply 118September 28, 2022 7:39 PM

[quote]It made me wonder what she did with her time…

She fucked the POW for over a decade while both were married to other people or did you miss that little detail about her life??

by Anonymousreply 119September 28, 2022 7:46 PM

[quote] "Discrimination against married female teachers in the US was not terminated until 1964 with the passing of the Civil Rights Act." That was legal termination, what went on locally as with other discrimination went on far longer.

Not just married ones, and not just over pay...

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by Anonymousreply 120September 28, 2022 8:06 PM

My brothers wife never worked. She went to nursing school and lived at home; by the time she finished nursing school her grandfather was ill and she was volunteered to care for him. Worked out fine for her, because my brother used that time to save up the 20% percent down on a house. With a 20 year mortgage, the house was half paid by the time they got married. They had one kid and that was it. They live in South Jersey, he is retired and they spilt their time between Jersey and Delaware. But she has never had a job. We are black, so it’s super surprising; my mom never worked consistently outside of our home either. Dad hired a housekeeper/nanny every summer and mom took a months vacation; they had 10 kids, so she needed it. Lol

by Anonymousreply 121September 28, 2022 8:32 PM

[quote] by the time she finished nursing school her grandfather was ill and she *was volunteered* to care for him.

Sounds like brother's Wife hadn't much of a choice in the matter...

by Anonymousreply 122September 28, 2022 8:36 PM

Lots and lots of people don't work. Why bother if you have enough money not to? I have friends and family that all inherited money and spend their time traveling, gardening, taking a class here or there, collecting art or antiques, charities, hobbies, exercise. There's plenty to do other than work. Several other friends retired around age 40. Managing their own portfolio of investments is what they answer if asked what they do. But I run in a wealthy circle and rarely does the subject of what anyone does for a living come up any more. No one cares, I guess, And everyone has plenty of money so it's kind of a non interesting subject.

by Anonymousreply 123September 28, 2022 8:49 PM

Some of these people will tell you they work, but it's only working part-time or at best periodically.

Do you think the Trump spawn work 9-5?

Yes, Zara Phillips was an equestrian. But that is not a job for her now.

by Anonymousreply 124September 28, 2022 8:56 PM

Yeah, sounds like brother's wife (at R121) did "work," if she was a trained nurse and "was volunteered" to take care of an older family member. It sounds like she never got paid, so that's even worse.

by Anonymousreply 125September 28, 2022 9:00 PM

My great aunt. She married well for her (a working class guy when she was poor) and was a homemaker. He had a public service job so his pension is quite tidy now that he's retired. They also got some inheritances from family members so they're doing much better than you'd imagine knowing their background. Her husband cheats on her constantly though and she doesn't seem as if she has any intention to leave. I understand not leaving especially since she's never had a job or supported herself but the lack of self-respect is sad-she's a kind woman.

by Anonymousreply 126September 28, 2022 9:12 PM

R108

I was talking about the 1950s and 1960s, although some of those attitudes lingered into the 1980s. They exist even today for some people.

by Anonymousreply 127September 28, 2022 9:39 PM

R126

It sounds like your aunt is of a mature age and doesn't have any options. It's hard enough to be a woman (women face age discrimination earlier than men) with a solid resume and be looking for a job over 40. Your aunt has NO resume. What is she going to do? Collect movie tickets? That's what I see senior citizens doing where I live.

Maybe he'll die soon and she can live off his pension and inheritance in style.

by Anonymousreply 128September 28, 2022 9:43 PM

R109

There were women who had jobs that weren't stereotypically female and during WWII women performed "men's work." Many would have been happy to stay on but they were fired.

by Anonymousreply 129September 28, 2022 9:52 PM

15% of Dataloungers have never had a job.

They freeload off their parents and freeload here when they can.

by Anonymousreply 130September 28, 2022 9:58 PM

My mom and her two sisters. I'm not sure what messages they were given in the 50's but all of them attempted to avoid work. My parents were married straight out of high school and were married for 18 years. My mother never worked outside the home as she believed that the man was the bread winner and the wife was to stay home and take care of the 4 of us. Back in the 70's this was normal. When they divorced, mom had to get a job and she was completely unprepared and the only skill she had was sewing. She got a job sewing for a dry cleaners. She remarried within a year of the divorce and just wanted to stay home, but her second husband insisted she needed a job so she went to work as a mail carrier. She did that for 15 years and then "retired."

Her older sister went to nursing school and as far as I know, worked part time as a nurse. She didn't work that much and somehow managed to survive on her own. She's in her 80's now and I don't think she ever held a full time job.

The younger sister did the same...married immediately out of high school. Never worked. Then her husband died and she had two kids to take care of so she attempted to get jobs...and was fired from each one because she hated being told what to do. She remarried to a wealthy guy and I don't think she works at all.

Me? I started working at age 16, moved out on my own at 18 and am now 53 and have worked my ass off my entire life. I'd be embarrassed to have someone else take care of me. My mother is the first to bemoan anyone getting "hand outs" from the government even though we did when she was single. It's always these types that look down on women who work. The trade off though, is that she married two abusive assholes and now has dementia because of it. She was too afraid to leave my step father because it meant working again.

by Anonymousreply 131September 28, 2022 10:26 PM

R123 = Jay Gatsby of West Egg, Long Island

by Anonymousreply 132September 28, 2022 11:24 PM

R123 Other than charities it sounds like a self-centered and shallow existence. Don't any of them want to have a career? Don't they have any actual talents or abilities that would make a career? Arts, government, business?

by Anonymousreply 133September 29, 2022 3:57 AM

Several deceased female relatives mostly great aunts and distant cousins were housewives.

A friend's stepmother never worked. She was living off trust funds before she married my friend's father. They didn't have kids together. She was a hippy type and still continued get monthly checks from family trusts even after she married.

I know the OP asked about able bodied adults, but my dad had a cousin who became a paraplegic due to a motorcycle accident at age 15. This was in the early 60s. Doctors, therapists, and others offered resources for him to get job training or scholarships for college and he refused those resources. He lived on SSI and additional financial support from my great aunt and great uncle. After my great aunt and uncle died, their other children ended up being the ones to give him additional support like extra money for groceries, clothes, and other supplies. He died at 52 due to cancer. In the years after his death, his siblings admitted to my dad that they had a lot of resentment towards their brother for not trying to look into resources that could have helped him get some kind of employment.

by Anonymousreply 134September 29, 2022 3:58 AM

R134 Accidents like that can have a lot of impact on people's psyche and mood, self image, or level of confidence. Of course he should have gotten a job, it would have been good for him, too. Why do you think he didn't?

by Anonymousreply 135September 30, 2022 5:27 PM

R121 I grew up in a leafy suburb in the 60s and 70s that included a few black middle-class families with the same set up as whites - stay at home moms with day maids.

by Anonymousreply 136September 30, 2022 5:40 PM
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