Salman Rushdie Stabbed

OMG - poor Salmon!

On the bright side, the attacker didn’t use a firearm.

The New York Post has more pics:

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"PAD-MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA......!"

Was he lightly stabbed?

FRESH HAPPENINGS!!

Uh, security? How did a guy with a knife get let into the building?

New York is such a shit state.

Homo Sapiens is such a shit species.

Damn… hope he’s ok.

Ugh, I hope that it wasn’t bad enough that he’s being given CPR… it looks like it in one of the pictures.

That novel of his really wasn't worth the carnage.

Hitoshi Igarashi, who translated The Satanic Verses into Japanese for Rushdie, was stabbed to death on the campus where he taught literature.

Ettore Capriolo, the Italian translator of the book, was knifed in his apartment in Milan.

The novel’s Norwegian publisher William Nygaard, was shot three times outside his home and left for dead in October 1993, but survived the attack.

In Turkey, the book’s translator, Aziz Nesin, was the target of an arson attack on a hotel that killed 37.

Maybe he got lax himself about security. I'm surprised the Fatwa has been unanswered for so long.

He was transported to a hospital by helicopter.

Told you I was hardcore!

Another photo

Did they arrest the stabber?

Oh no. This is terrible.

No. They took him to IHOP for a nice breakfast R18 because he appeared to be hangry.

Omg this is just AWFUL!

Good thing he wore his nice underwear today, r17.

It looks like he was seriously stabbed.

It looks as though he may have been stabbed in the neck, which I hope isn't the case.

DM says the attacker was restrained, r18.

This poor guy has had it rough enough already. I mean, he was even in that Bridget Jones movie.

He's in his boxer shorts on the stretcher.

This is supposedly a photo of the attacker being arrested.

"Religion of Peace™"

I loved when he was on Bill Maher in the old days. Very interesting man.

Hope he’s ok.

Are they Sulka, r26??

They'll be footage of people celebrating in some shithole country. Trust me.

No difference between fundy Muslims and fundy Xtians.

None.

I was wondering why no one was looking at the westie cam Dollface alert I posted, everyone's here talking about Rushdie. I guess I'll bump it later.

"At this time, the motive for the stabbing remains unclear."

- BBC, NYTs, WaPo, The Guardian

You are really blind and stupid, R32.

Maybe because it’s stupid and repetitive, r33.

What a concept.

Shalman Rusdie.

[quote]"At this time, the motive for the stabbing remains unclear."

I have an idea.

Midnight's Children is his best work.

I'm not going to get into a fight with about the puppy cam, r33, on this thread.

I hope they took his clothes to the hospital. All he has is his boxers. Glad he wasn't wearing bikini briefs.

I mean R36. I'm r33

He sort of looks like Stanley Kubrick.

R13, thanks for the information. I had no idea.

Maybe the novel wasn't worth the carnage, but freedom of expression is. 200 people were murdered in riots because of the Mohammed cartons, including a nun shot. We have to stand up to these ignorant fuckers, but it won't happen. Politicians, academics and journalists are the most cowardly people on earth.

There’s still a bounty of more than $3 million on the table for anyone who kills Rushdie.

The $3m won’t be too useful to him in prison.

[quote] No difference between fundy Muslims and fundy Xtians.

The two most humorless religions, and they make up the world's majority. Yuck.

[quote] but freedom of expression is

Right wing phrase.

"Politicians, academics and journalists are the most cowardly people on earth. "

Those strong politicians prefer going after women's rights instead.

[quote]New York is such a shit state.

Things like this happen in New York, Matt-facto, because so many prominent authors, actors, politicians, etc speak or live here.

If Shittsburgh mattered, sometimes bad things would happen to prominent people there too. By the way, Shittsburgh’s crime rate is higher than nyc’s.

[quote]It looks as though he may have been stabbed in the neck, which I hope isn't the case.

It is indeed the case:

Salman Rushdie, the Indian-born novelist who was ordered killed by Iran in 1989 because of his writing, was attacked on stage at an event in New York and suffered an apparent stab wound to the neck, according to New York State Police and an eyewitness.

Rushdie fell to the floor when the man attacked him, and was then surrounded by a small group of people who held up his legs, seemingly to send more blood to his upper body, as the attacker was restrained.

When celebrities die they spend all eternity with the celebrity that dies at about the same time.

So Rushdie is praying that Anne Heche pulls through

[quote] Shittsburgh’s crime rate is higher than nyc’s.

R49 is surprisingly right. Pittsburgh crime rate is higher.

As someone who lives in Pittsburgh…I can say shittsburgh is accurate.

You are right R32.

Pittsburgh is a gay mecca according to Queer as Folks.

Do stop about Pittsburg a man has been stabbed and might DIE!

Pittsburgh has a very strange style of pizza, where the toppings are put on cold after the crust is baked.

And do shut up, r56.

Stabbed in the neck. That's not good. I hope he's going to be okay but this is a very serious injury and he's an old man.

This is horrible, fuck these cretins who want to murder someone for writing a book.

SHitshitshit Daily Mail is saying he was stabbed in neck 15 times

Did the attacker use a fish knife?

Stabbed in the neck 10-15 times. My god.

[quote]Pittsburgh has a very strange style of pizza, where the toppings are put on cold after the crust is baked.

Beto’s pizza isn’t the norm and it’s not Pittsburgh style pizza.

Does anyone know the whereabouts of Will Smith?

Are we living in a new era of assassinations?

[quote] There’s still a bounty of more than $3 million on the table for anyone who kills Rushdie.

What if they just wound him?

Strange, dangerous times...

Now the DM is saying stabbed 10-15 times including once in the neck.

If stabbed 10 to 15 times in the neck, then one of the wounds wouldn've hit the jugular vein. He would have bled to death immediately.

I don't see how you can survive that.

R47 when the fuck did freedom of expression became a “right-wing phrase?”

One witness claims the attack lasted about 20 seconds (!)

NYT: Rita Landman, an endocrinologist who was in the audience, walked on stage to offer assistance after the talk. She said that Mr. Rushdie had multiple stab wounds, including one to the right side of his neck, and that there was a pool of blood under his body. But she said he appeared to be alive and was not receiving CPR.

“People were saying, ‘He has a pulse, he has a pulse he has a pulse,’” Ms. Landman said.

Has Padma Lakshmi released a statement?

That's encouraging, r73.

For fuck's sake! What is wrong with people? Rushdie is a talented, intelligent and thoughtful individual and has never deserved the ridiculous hatred and attempted murder and actual maiming from religious nutcases. I hope he pulls through.

Dude fuck this shit.

Now Patricia Krenwinkel will never get probabtion.

If religiously motivated, the assailant is simply following the edicts and example of The Prophet of Allah.

Oh no. Stabbed in the neck 15 times?? How does one survive that??

I don't know it never happened to me or anyone I know.

R80, with a sad grunt!

my friend was at this lecture

Muslims are nuttier than squirrel shit.

According to the Times:

In recent years, Mr. Rushdie was enjoying a more relaxed life in New York City. In 2019, he spoke at a private club in Manhattan to promote his novel, “Quichotte.” Security at the event was relaxed, and Mr. Rushdie mingled with guests freely and had dinner with members of the club afterwords.

I bet that hat stinks, r84

I loved Cat Steven's music. He was hot, too.

I'm actually surprised it took this long.

Cat sang a song in the '60s called "I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun" - he never lets it go on his Greatest Hits albums, even though it was a big hit.

[quote]I'm actually surprised it took this long.

Revenge is a dish best served cold…apparently it’s also true for fatwas.

Damn this sucks and I hope he survives.

Fatwas never expire. If Salman dies, the assailant gets his ticket to the islamic paradise and 70 virgins, though I'm not sure if their clits have been removed.

R93, not true. The Fatwa was officially rescinded, which is when Rushdie came out of hiding many years ago

Religion is a blight on humanity.

Yes, it is stupid and primitive to kill over religion, but, that said, right wing muslims constantly tell you "We will kill you if you insult Mohammed."

And them, we wonder Why did they kill those people who insulted Mohammed?

Advice: Stop insulting Mohammed and you won't get killed.

Men are a blight on humanity.

[quote] "Religion of Peace™"

Yes. Just like Christianity.

Fuck Mohamad

I HATE Texas with all my heart but a part of me would love for one of those lot to try something like this in that state, just to see the carnage.

Tee-hee!

- “Mo” Hammed

I think someone did hold a Muhammed portrait contest in Texas and something with guns did happen, R101.

[quote] Advice: Stop insulting Mohammed and you won't get killed.

So we should kowtow to religious kooks of any faith? This is a free society, if one wants to insult religious figures they should be able to do so without threat of death. Fuck that.

[quote] The Fatwa was officially rescinded

I thought so.

[quote]a was officially rescinded, which is when Rushdie came out of hiding many years ago

Apparently not everyone got that memo

[quote]Advice: Stop insulting Mohammed and you won't get killed.

"In Turkey, the book’s translator, Aziz Nesin, was the target of an arson attack on a hotel that killed 37."

You are an uninformed, uneducated fool, R99.

PoisonedCunt will be along any minute to tell us how, actually, Christianity is far more violent than Islam. Which explains why gays flock to live in the Muslim world. Oh, wait...

R104 Well then, just explain that to them. I'm sure they'll understand and adjust accordingly.

If Anne He he and Salman die on the same day, who gets top billing?

[quote]So we should kowtow to religious kooks of any faith? This is a free society, if one wants to insult religious figures they should be able to do so without threat of death. Fuck that.

Only someone kooky would feel compelled to insult someone who was alive over a thousand years ago

[quote][R93], not true. The Fatwa was officially rescinded, which is when Rushdie came out of hiding many years ago

Not true exactly…it wasn’t rescinded by the ayatollah. It needs to be rescinded by the religious leader and not the political guy. In fact, the new ayatollah upped the reward by $600k in 2016.

Stabbed salmon or smoked salmon?

Smothered, covered, chunked..

{quote]You are an uninformed, uneducated fool, [R99].

Christianity is responsible for the majority of the world's religious violence--Crusades, pogroms, Inquisition, witch executions, Holocaust, OK City bombing, all the way down to gays and abortion doctors being killed.

Islam isn't even a close second.

I'll say whatever I want about religious figures, R110.

Mohammed was a warmongering asshole.

I love John Lennon's quote about Jesus that goes something like ...."Jesus was alright but his followers aren't." Lennon was right. Jesus (if he was real) would be horrified by the actions of many Christians and the church. Fuck all those people too. There are really good Christians out there who actually follow what Jesus said, but sadly most Christians are assholes.

R112, you'd be correct if that person had no influence on today's world, but, in the case of Mohammed, he does, so fuck him and anyone who can't handle him being insulted.

Je suis Charlie.

RUSHTY SHAMIN!

[quote] Mohammed, he does, so fuck him and anyone who can't handle him being insulted.

Bet you won't say that in public...

R116, you proved my point. You've allowed your self to be indoctrinated well. You know very little about human history or Islam. Do try to educate yourself.

The blood vessels in the neck are actually quite well protected, so it's much harder to cut your carotid artery or jugular vein than you might think.

I hope he survives and fully recovers. Funny Rushdie story from his loyal supporter and old friend, Christopher Hitchens:

Somebody was complaining not just about the epic badness of the novels of Robert Ludlum but also about the badness of their titles. (You know the sort of pretentiousness: The Bourne Supremacy, The Aquitaine Progression, The Ludlum Impersonation, and so forth.) Then it happily occurred to another guest to wonder aloud what a Shakespeare play might be called if named in the Ludlum manner. At which point Salman Rushdie perked up and started to sniff the air like a retriever. “O.K. then, Salman, what would *Hamlet’*s title be if submitted to the Ludlum treatment?” “The Elsinore Vacillation,” he replied—and I find I must stress this—in no more time than I have given you. Think it was a fluke? Macbeth? “The Dunsinane Reforestation.” To persist and to come up with "The Rialto Sanction" and "The Kerchief Implication" was the work of not too many more moments.

I'm a nobody, it doesn't matter what I say in public, so all I can do is support people who do say it publicly, R119. In any case, you're wrong, I would say it in public if I had the platform. I'm not living my life in fear of religious nutbars of any stripe.

The typesetter at the NYT is piped up like whoa.

If the fatwa was rescinded, obviously someone didn't get the memo.

No matter, what a fucked up ifeology that is so threatened by words that adherents order the death of someone because of it. As Sam Harris rightly pointed out, "islam is the mother-lode of bad ideas."

The fatwa wasn’t rescinded. Fatwas are religious. The President rescinded the fatwa and the ayatollah said, “not so fast” and reaffirmed it. The reward was increased by $600k in 2016.

That’s pretty good, r122.

He's currently in surgery. Hope he pulls through.

Hope he makes a full recovery. He was getting threats from radical Muslims before it was cool.

R116 both is ridiculous and ignores the toll of the religions of nationalism and totalitarian communism and its sequelae.

However, Russian Orthodox Christian impact is seen in its being a tool of Putin and the "Holy Russia" mythos, taking enormous amounts of money for the privilege and propaganda.

Catholicism at the moment has more of a cultural and community negative impact now, thanks to its filthy legacy. Positive impacts also exist, and not in the "at least X got the trains to run on time" type. Other mainstream Christian sects have limited positive or negative impact, except among their benighted flocks.

Cults such as Mormonism and $cientology and the range of fundamentalist, evangelical, non-mainstream (and at times African and Asian maintream) Christian sects do great harm and are the present purveyors on non-scientific, fabulist, irrational, dishonest harm in the world. And that includes radical fundamentalist Hindus, Muslims and other major regional religious strands.

Among all of them, outside the state religion of Hive-Totalitarian Capitalist Expansionist China, much of Islam's power is held by partisan, ludicrous, irrational, hyper-wealthy and violence-loving mono-maniacs.

But we all know that.

I'm getting bored of this thread.

We can go back to discussing Pittsburgh pizza…

[quote]R131: I'm getting bored of this thread.

Oh, dear. And nice to see the usual non-native English speakers trolling here with their thumbs up their dirty asses.

In this pic of him being taken away on a stretcher (in his boxers, how embarrassing) there is no CPR going on and it appears he’s breathing on his own. There is a guy holding pressure on his neck though.

All religions are driven by delusions and fantasy, and most try to impose those beliefs on others, one way or another — especially Christianity and Islam. Bickering about which religion is worse is akin to arguing about whether having marburg or ebola is preferable.

Religious belief is a sign that the person is mentally unwell. Rational people avoid religionists of any variety.

[quote]you proved my point. You've allowed your self to be indoctrinated well. You know very little about human history or Islam. Do try to educate yourself.

Actually, I'm well educated on the histories of world religions. Christianity has been very violent throughout its history, as has been Islam.

Christianity went through a Renaissance, which, in actuality, was a slow rejection of religion. Today, Christian-majority countries are countries that have rejected Christianity for its lawmaking. Islam never went through the same renaissance--but this killing shit is limited to the right wing, and not reflective of all its followings.

Salman Rushdie himself is Muslim. Do you think he would be fine with stabbing an author?

This thread is getting REALLY boring now. I didn't want to link to my FAILED dollface thread of the westie puppies, I thought it insensitive, but now I'm sorely tempted.

For what it's worth R49, he was speaking in Chautauqua NY, about 300 miles west of NYC, and 30 miles east of Erie PA.

So while Chautauqua is appealing to intellectuals and pseudo-intellectuals for lectures, concerts and the performing arts it's only during the summer that they are there, the place shuts down for the winter.

Few if any artist types are making that corner of NYS their full time home, though it's definitely got a very low crime rate.

[quote] This thread is getting REALLY boring now.

So sorry I’ve disappointed you by surviving.

Do young Muslims even know him? The older ones would and they can’t live very long in such a shithole. Who would care enough about him to still want to murder him over something he wrote decades ago?

OK - I can hold back no longer. The Westie Cam thread.

It's no longer live, but you can't have everything.

Maybe some Arab streaming service just released a documentary about him.

^ leave messages and WW's!! (people are taking pleasure in its failure - prove them wrong!)

Why are you so desperate?

^ why don't you get it?

[quote]The Fatwa was officially rescinded, which is when Rushdie came out of hiding many years ago

stupid cunt was complaining that he had too much security...

SALMAN! WE LOVE YOU! GET UP!

[quote] I'm getting bored of this thread.

Sounds like it's time to leave Datalounge forever.

So, being married to that climber Padma wasn’t the worst thing to have happened to him?

[quote] This thread is getting REALLY boring now.

Sounds like it's LONG past time to leave Datalounge forever.

Go away. No one will miss you!

Fuck Muhammed. He was a false prophet. Going up to heaven to negotiate with God about the commandments??? Such silly crap. He didn't write the K'ran, by the way. He was illiterate. No Jesus didn't write the New Testament, but we never thought he wrote it. Nothing in the Bible is written by God or Jesus or claims to be. Islam is very different! Oh, for the record, fuck Allah too.

R151 is SO upset by my comment he had to hiss at me TWICE!

He is NOT welcome on my Westie cam thread.

I forgot to include the fact that the K'ran was written in the first person, as though it really is Mo' writing. That's what I mean. It's silly bullshit.

Ya'll, all this talk about this, the fatwa and everything, is making me VERY nervous. What if they come over here and try to kill MURIEL!!?? That would be just HORRIBLE!!

[quote]What if they come over here and try to kill MURIEL!!??

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking.

Who wants Pizza?

I'm issuing a fatwa against R153.

I’ll have a slice.

As if all this news about Trump stealing all of our nucular secrets wasn't nerve-wracking enough, what if we wake up on Monday morning to news that the corporate headquarters of Datalounge has been blown SKY-HIGH by some disgruntled Moslems?! I DO NOT want to live in this kind of world!!

R140, there's still a multi million dollar fatwa/reward on his head from Iran. They never rescinded it, they just stopped promoting it. He's been a wanted man for decades now. He hasn't faded from memory.

It's disgusting. I hope he pulls through.

R136 Salman Rushdie is an atheist - a “hardline atheist”. He comes from a muslim family & accepts that he’s been shaped to some degree by the culture but he is certainly not a muslim now. He’s been very clear about that.

But I agree with your general point. Anyone who’s read the Bible knows full well that Christianity has the potential to be as violent as Islam…and once was. It’s not anymore because of the enlightenment and the imposition of Western values. Islam needs to go through a similar process. It can’t and won’t because the barbaric sense of grievance is being validated by posturing twats on the left who think that criticism of an ideology largely adhered to by brown people is “racist”.

Fuck Mohammed, the paedophilic, mass murdering thug.

The word is Reformation not renaissance, R136. Well informed, indeed.

Any updates?

This thread is getting edgy.

[quote]Damn you, Pittsburgh Pizza Troll

I’m like Beetlejuice!

^Christianity is not generally as violent as Islam because Xtians don't ACTUALLY believe the horseshit of their own dogma. The entire Xtian "faith" now is 'in bad faith.' It's all "pretend." Not even the Pope believes the nonsense of Xtian dogma. The Moslems DO still believe the Tenth Century nonsense they still subscribe to, for them it's still literally a matter of life and death, and when someone mocks their "Prophet" it threatens their very sanity, their sense of reality, and next thing you know, it's "Kill, Kill, KILL!!"

Wow. You're never safe from the fundie loons.

The koran says kill the infidel Jesus said "love your brother as you love yourself"

Can u haters even read ?

Does Allah's pussy stink?

Not true R94, from the NYTs:

The fatwa was maintained by Iran’s government after the death of Ayatollah Khomeini for 10 years, until 1998, when Iranian President Mohammad Khatami, who was considered relatively liberal, said that Iran no longer supported the killing. Mr. Rushdie then began to make public appearances again, attending book events, parties and dining out in restaurants.

But the fatwa remains in place, with a bounty attached from a semiofficial Iranian religious foundation.

Will the reward money be in Bitcoin or NFTs

Do you think the killer will take a check?

Bearer bonds are fine

What does Allah say about Pittsburgh pizza?

[R24] He was restrained. Murderously violent surely?

[quote]No difference between fundy Muslims and fundy Xtians.

You are so full of shit.

I've been to Chautauqua Institute, which has been around for over 100 years. It's a truly lovely place. It really is a surprise that something like this would happen there.

Although in this day and age, it's equally a surprise that something *hasn't* since it had minimal, if any, security.

[quote] Pittsburgh Pizza

Why discuss something so terrible?

R169, I know, believe me!

Ricky caught a fish there in simpler times.

At least he is a massive narcissist will undoubtedly enjoy the sympathy and publicity this will give him, assuming he survives. Selfishly, I'm hoping this will somehow inspire him to write something more interesting than his recent mediocre worms (although Quixotte was almost decent.)

If the attacker was a fundamentalist, Salman has my sympathies. If it was Padma or another ex, she has my sympathies.

[Quote] Nothing in the Bible is written by God or Jesus or claims to be.

Of course the right wing Jesus freaks believe the Bible was written by God so all of it is literally true

Fundies of all types are just as terrible. Don’t think that, if given all the political power it wants, the fundie Christians wont string up gays.

[Quote] Christianity is not generally as violent as Islam because Xtians don't ACTUALLY believe the horseshit of their own dogma.

Um…

Why do American Lefties kiss the ass of Muslims when this is their fucking STATED BELIEF system.

And while the Xtian church HISTORICALLY has been responsible for horrors (Inquisition, etc.), Islam has done similar in the past, but TODAY IN THE PRESENT, most WORLDWIDE TERRORISM for hte last 100 years has been RADICAL MUSLIMS. And then the rank file celebrate and dance in the street when it happens.

No comparison.

And PS, Muslims aren't "brown", they come in all shades just like Catholics and Jews.

So, the Muslims finally got him after 40 years trying.

R 185 its a historical document, a record of the time. What do you think it is Fiction ??? Get some education.

[Quote] Moslems DO still believe the Tenth Century nonsense they still subscribe to

Except for apparently Rushdie himself and Muslims all over the world.

I know a few Muslims, gay and not, and none of them actually believe that shit literally. Their beliefs are just as diverse as Christian believers

R190 Maybe you should get some education because there is nothing in history to back what the Bible claims up. That's right, there are no contemporary records of Jesus, no birth or death records for him. No contemporary records of the myriad other events the Bible claims happened. The only accounts were written hundreds of years afterwards.

Interestingly, Pittsburgh pizza is quite similar to Ohio River Valley style pizza.

Are the regions adjacent? No one knows.

I met him at a couple of events. They were lightly secured. He was beginning to relax. But these men of the fatwa would never rest, i remember thinking.

Organized religion is the source of all evil.

I'm very sorry about this. I've read The Satanic Verses and Midnight's Children and they are great works of literature in my view. I hope he survives. Artistic freedom is non-negotiable.

That said when he got a knighthood a few years back I did find myself getting more than a little irritated about the many people cheering him to the skies on social media who had never read a single one of his books and probably couldn't even name any apart from TSV.

(quote)Interestingly, Pittsburgh pizza is quite similar to Ohio River Valley style pizza.

No, it is not. There’s one place, Beto’s, that serves ORV style pizza. It’s terrible. It’s a lunchable pizza. Pittsburgh pizza is more like if a NY Sicilian pie had a baby with a NY regular pie and cut up into 16 slices.

That should have read…Pittsburgh Pizza Troll. My cat walked across my keyboard.

I went to Iran as a tourist once and a mosque I passed by had an 'ask an imam' service for visiting foreigners curious to know more about Islam. The imam himself was very pleasant and courteous and spoke excellent English. When I arrived a lot of the questions were pretty standard, like about why women had to wear the hijab and so forth. I like posing tough questions so I decided to ask why the fatwa had to happen and why Rushdie had to die. I think I threw him a bit. His first answer, I don't remember all the details but it insisted on the fact that Rushdie had to be punished for his blasphemy 'in this world and the next'. I don't think he thought that this was a great answer because after a pause he told me he wanted to add something, and said that all governments take into account political considerations and that the motivations behind this decision were political as well as religious.

I felt a little guilty actually because I didn't want to go in all guns blazing and catch the guy out. My alternate question was 'What are angels?' and I half wish I had asked that instead.

What was also interesting is that I used the name 'Salman Rushdie' in my question, but he didn't repeat it, saying instead 'the person you have mentioned'.

Shallman’sh fine, he shends hish love!

[quote]R 185 its a historical document, a record of the time. What do you think it is Fiction ??? Get some education

No historical evidence for the Israelites being enslaved by the ancient Egyptians.

The tale of the Great Flood is very similar to those in older religions of the Middle East. Coincidence? I really doubt it.

The stories of Christ's miracles are definitely historically accurate. I have no doubt He could literally walk on water and multiply fishes and loaves of bread.

Rushdie should recover. He's undergoing surgery.

[quote] [R49] is surprisingly right. Pittsburgh crime rate is higher.

New York is the safest large city in America.

By the way, there are 1.8 billion muslims in the world and muslim-majority countries stretch from Mali to Indonesia. There is a LOT of diversity in the Islamic world, though a lot of people are very invested in claiming otherwise. If this is something you have difficulty believing, I'd urge you to visit a majority-muslim country yourself (Bosnia, Turkey, or Morocco might be good places to start).

^That's all beside the point, CE. Beside the fucking point.

[quote]By the way, there are 1.8 billion muslims in the world and muslim-majority countries stretch from Mali to Indonesia. There is a LOT of diversity in the Islamic world, though a lot of people are very invested in claiming otherwise. If this is something you have difficulty believing, I'd urge you to visit a majority-muslim country yourself (Bosnia, Turkey, or Morocco might be good places to start).

Yet all the countries where it's illegal and/or punishable by death to be GAY are Muslim Theocracies (ok 1 is only 50% Muslim, Nigeria!).

Talk about DIVERSITY!

Besides the point of what?

It's an observation I've made because we were getting a lot of the usual 'Hmm, so this is the religion of peace' comments in the thread. Iranian and Saudi clerics don't speak for all muslims, that's all I'm saying. This awful act is of course unreservedly to be condemned and there can be no justification for it.

Hmmm, so this is the religion of peace...

Yes R206 and those countries are to be condemned.

To repeat myself, Bosnia, Turkey, or Morocco might be a good start. You might even enjoy it and learn something.

State police confirm the attacker of Salman Rushdie in Chautauqua County is Hadi Matar, 24, of Fairview New Jersey, a law enforcement official says.

Oh, yes, Turkey and Morocco. Both are paradise for women.

R199 you should have said Voldemort.

R211 You should go to Turkey, you will meet lots of independent, educated, professional women. This is of course not to say that there aren't many problems to address.

Turkey is however leading the US 1-0 in the number of female leaders it has had.

Rushdie was transported to UMPC Trauma Center in Erie, Pennsylvania, and is undergoing surgery. No report on his current condition has been released.

I've read the Koran and it really makes you understand why Islam is so different to Christianity. I recommend doing so. Don't listen to people with an agenda. Just read it and see for yourself.

His last name is a self fulfilling prophesy in and of itself, and he can't live forever.

The suspect who has been arrested, 24-year-old Hadi Matar, accessed the grounds the way any other event goer did, police say.

The suspect jumped on stage, stabbed Salman Rushdie in the neck at least once and in the abdomen at least once, police say.

People in the centre rushed the suspect and took him ground, and he was later taken into police custody.

Anyone who says their religion tells them to murder people are worshiping the Devil and not God.

[quote] the attacker of Salman Rushdie in Chautauqua County is Hadi Matar

Hadi comes from the Arabic triconsonantal root of ه د ي‎. It is a name derived from the word Hidayah (Arabic: هداية, romanized: Hidāyah). Al-Hadi is 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 99 𝑁𝑎𝑚𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝐺𝑜𝑑 in Islam meaning The Guider.

Ever notice no Christians ever tried to murder Morgan Freeman or George Burns for comic portrayals of God?

R218 The Koran tells you to kill non-believers. It does.

[quote]Anyone who says their religion tells them to murder people is worshipping Allah.

Fixed that for you, R218.

Islam is a beautiful, peaceful, wonderful religion and if you disagree I will kill you!

R213: bitch, please, who do you think you’re kidding?

Any fool who believes some guy in the 6th and 7th century by the name of Mohammed should dictate anything and everything is just plain stupid.

And that goes for Moses or Abraham or Jesus or Paul as well. Men writing stuff down is NOT from a god.

R223: it is properly 'WHOM' do I believe I am kidding?

R224 respectfully, how do you know what 'God' thinks or wants (if God even exists)? You don't either; you're just projecting what you want to believe onto 'God'.

Here we go, down "God's" toilet, round and round...

Rushdie is 75 and was stabbed 10 to 15 times in the neck. He's not going to make it anymore than Anne H. was after spending 65 minutes in a burning car.

R220, it also says it's fine to lie to infidels. I don't trust Muslims any more than I trust Christians or Jews or Hindus. Buddhists seem okay, I suppose. Not converting but they haven't been violent lately.

"Never do business with a religious son-of-a-bitch. His word ain't worth a shit -- not with the Good Lord telling him how to fuck you on the deal." ― William S. Burroughs

The difference between Islam and Christianity is even among the vast majority of evangelicals they don’t advocate killing people who disrespect Jesus. It is only the ones on the fringe. However, as much as they like to claim theirs are just a fringe as well, it appears to be the/a mainstream opinion among Muslims. Jerry Falwell sued Larry Flint he didn’t issue a God backed license to kill him.

🐟 Suddenly, I have a craving for Fish & Chips.

The Bible is a collection of ancient religious books which are open to debate in this day and age. The Quoran is the absolute word of God as revealed to the prophet Mohammed, and it therefor cannot be questioned. According to Muslims!

Maybe the Nobel committee will finally relent and dole out an award, if only for freedom of expression and sympathy

R228, he was stabbed 10 to 15 times in total possibly but not all in the neck. The most recent report says at least once in the neck and at least once in the abdomen so probably not even 10 to 15 times in total.

[quote] I've been to Chautauqua Institute, which has been around for over 100 years. It's a truly lovely place. It really is a surprise that something like this would happen there.

I have colleagues working there right now. One said the place is in shock. Also that there’s rumors it will close up early, as soon as this weekend. Chautauqua is an idyllic little arts get away buried in western NY. Very strange for this to happen there.

Hopefully Hadi Matar will be stabbed to death in prison. There may still be real justice.

In Jr. High, I remember buying a used copy of the Satanic Verses from a thrift store and being [italic]so[/italic] disappointed it wasn't about satanism.

6:06pm, Still in surgery for neck and abdominal wounds.

[quote] Hopefully Hadi Matar will be stabbed to death in prison. There may still be real justice.

You are only thinking in western terms. Whether Rushdie does or does not die Hadi has carried out Jihad against an enemy of Allah. He is beyond punishment as he is now guaranteed his eternal reward in Paradise.

[quote]Ever notice no Christians ever tried to murder Morgan Freeman or George Burns for comic portrayals of God?

They were too busy killing doctors.

[quote]To repeat myself, Bosnia, Turkey, or Morocco might be a good start. You might even enjoy it and learn something.

Great, three Muslim countries don't murder gay people. Yet all the countries that do 13 of them (and like 20 make it illegal). do!!!

You're really a great debater! You should go to law school.

Again...moron.

R232, there are plenty of Christians and Jews (unfortunately) who think the Bible is "the absolute word of God" and not just "a collection of ancient religious books which are open to debate in this day and age," and they act on that. Fundamentalists are fundamentalists.

I really hope he pulls through. This actually has saddened me quite a bit.

R241 And most countries where homosexuality is illegal are majority Christian, a fact you neglected to add.

Anyway, wtf are you trying to argue here? No-one, least of all me, is defending anti-gay laws in Islamic countries. There are still plenty of others you can visit where homosexuality is legal. Like Jordan, Albania, Kazakhstan, Djibouti, Azerbaijan...

But who am I kidding? If you even have a passport (doubtful), there's no way you've ever been east of Prague or south of Puerto Vallarta.

R188 The vast majority of Muslims in the world are not white. Sorry, but this is a fact. Of course there is some diversity, since it’s a religion not a race, but most followers of Islam are brown. Which is why the left get away with pretending any criticism is racist. Christianity, including Catholicism, is racially diverse because of all the missionary efforts. Islam is not evangelical…the Koran instructs the murder of infidels, not conversion.

R191 Once again, Rushdie is not a Muslim. Islam is a religion and it’s followers are called Muslims. He doesn’t follow or believe in the religion and is therefore not a Muslim. I am not a Christian because I don’t believe in Yahweh. It’s the same thing.

Do fuck off with your tedious apologetics, “Concerned European” (concerned about what?). Of course not all Muslims go about murdering people, but very, very few kick up a stink when one of their number do. Which happens with alarming regularity - other Muslims being the more common victims.

The countries, around the world, where homosexuality is still illegal tend to be former British colonies/protectorates who operate under common law. They inherited the laws but unlike the UK itself they haven't updated them in a more liberal fashion.

R245: No, I won't fuck off sweetheart, here's an extra post just for you.

What you've said is both wrong and extremely easy to disprove (see below). But how did you make such an easily avoidable error? I'd bet you live in a white enclave or rural area and don't even know any muslims socially. I'm sorry your opportunities to learn and grow have been so limited.

It annoys me when people see Muslim as a race. Nobody here assumes that I'm a Christian just because I'm white and in a country where Christianity is the biggest religion. Islam is a belief you subscribe to, not a race.

Bless, R247 - that’s a Muslim site. Sweet that you tried, though.

If you read about Muhammed and his life story he was obviously severely mentally ill, with psychopathic/homocidal tendencies. He was a lot like Charles Manson and Jim Jones. No shit.

I find it incredible that a whole religion grew up around such a violent psychopath.

R249 It contains links to mainstream media sources, dimwit.

Try following some of them. Which of them do you believe to be untrue?

Probably was a transactivist angry that he was scheduled to speak on Free Speech symposium next month,

[quote]Maybe the novel wasn't worth the carnage, but freedom of expression is. 200 people were murdered in riots because of the Mohammed cartons, including a nun shot. We have to stand up to these ignorant fuckers, but it won't happen. Politicians, academics and journalists are the most cowardly people on earth.

Absolutely. Rushdie himself has spoken in the past of what he calls the "But Brigade", being those people who say things like: "Of [italic]course[/italic] people shouldn't be killed for this, and of [italic]course[/italic] people should have freedom of expression, BUT..."

DL fave Roxane Gay did such a thing after Charlie Hebdo, after which Rushdie criticised these "But..." people. I wonder if she was one of the ones he was thinking of.

Update

1. He is on a ventilator and can't speak.

2. He will likely lose one eye.

3. The nerves in his arm were severed.

4. His liver was stabbed and damaged.

Concerned European cracks me up. He believes he is so "sophistcated'..He is just another Muslim apologist.

[quote] He believes he is so "sophistcated'.

I don't think I can hold a candle to you mate, when it comes to sophistittycation.

R254 Sobering update, but none of those seem immediately life-threatening, which is heartening.

Actually, credit where credit is due, she is being really supportive here:

[quote]I hope Rushdie comes out of this okay. It is scary to get up on stage not knowing if someone will try something but for Rushdie with the fatwa, that anxiety must be overwhelming. And now, here we are.

Having your liver damaged is pretty serious.

Liver trauma due to stab wound is, IIRC, what ultimately killed the late Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh, who was assassinated in 2003. When that happened, I remember there was a long period of no news as she seemed to be interminably in surgery. Then, suddenly, news of her death.

I wonder if the medical team is waiting for one or both of his sons to make it over from the U.K. before a decision is made about the ventilator.

I agree r254. The liver damage is very serious, but the liver will regenerate if he gets through this. He will have months of therapy, but I’m hoping this is all there is re damage.

[quote]Pittsburgh has a very strange style of pizza, where the toppings are put on cold after the crust is baked.

YUK. Just when I thought Papa John's was the worst America had to offer. Shit Hole Pizza.

He will probably be dead soon.

^My mom had a liver transplant & I learned during the course of her illness that apparently you can live with a small part of a functioning liver (her liver was totally tits up). I guess that's why it takes so long for alcoholics to die from liver disease. So even in the best case scenario he's got a long road to recovery, but possibly not necessarily a death sentence.

It's a mad mad world, but best wishes for a speedy recovery

R264 It's the ventilator bit that makes me think he won't make it most. There isn't a good prognosis when you're on a ventilator.

R265, I wouldn’t say that. I know a few people who were on one but who recovered.

^Possibly you're are correct - I'm not a doctor, just went through some medical shit with my mom - but as I understand it, there is a difference between being on a vent to assist breathing - helping you a long, if you will - versus being on a ventilator to breath for you. Either case, being on a vent is no joke & recent COVID experience illustrates that being on a vent is the last resort, but it's also possible that he's on assisted breathing rather than breathing for him.

Was the attacker Cat Stevens?

R265 Not necessarily. After such a big abdominal AND neck operation they might just want to leave him intubated overnight and think about extubating tomorrow.

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[quote]Fuck Muhammed. He was a false prophet.

Unlike all the real ones. lol

Wait a minute, I thought he was stabbed repeatedly in the throat. When did throat turn into eye and liver?

He was stabbed in all of those places.

Original reports said neck but later reports are eye, neck, arm, abdomen, at least. 10 to 15 in all.

You can survive on 1 liver.

Good god, I just went to Twitter and typed in his name and there are heaps of people on there celebrating the attack on Rushdie, because he was a "blasphemer". The world is so sick. How are they allowed to keep their profiles on Twitter?

attempted kidnapping of Iranian journalist a few years ago, too.

Honestly, as big of news as this... it's just a drop in a bucket.

Most that speak out face this kind of thing on the regular...

they're harder press not to move to the right because it is so permitted on the left. And like most that move towards the right, the right corrupts them more than it allows their knowledge to circulate. But on the left, they face violence or otherwise rendered inept.

r276 it holds an exotic place on the left since the 60s and the pure fundamentalist version is protected and so, reformers, let alone exes, are tossed to the side. . . they started on campuses in 1979 but didn't gain a foot hold until the mid 1990s. They're most popular with tankies that see them analogous to socialists and totes not because of arms deal with their idealized utopian nations of the past and present. And of course, the backlash to the islamophobia of the 9/11 got hijacked because most are unaware of history nor capable of making distinctions... without nuance, people continue to fall into the same all or nothing, black & white thinking, pitfalls. . . very hard to deprogram cult mentalities from any angle.. . particularly among the social justice cults.

academics is the bigger problem, though. MENA programs are a wreck right now because of these kind of politics. There's even a historical revisement program hosting in association with UC Berkeley. That one is mostly palestinian led, though, and they just claim ownership of virtually every nation on earth. It's the stuff that comedic sketches are made of -- like that the u.s. was actually palestinian founded, therefore they have right of claim. It's actually par the course in west asia, it's laughed out but people dismiss that one too. They only know of Israel vs Palestine. So ,people are hard pressed to believe it's real and not just hasbara propaganda, or they dismiss it as being far away or limited to campuses. Or activism, or whatever.. out of sight, out of mind or believe it's too small to affect the real world.

but only a small piece of a much larger problem.

again, drop in the bucket.

not the first attempt nor to be the last

it's the price people pay.

just look up the ex-muslims on twitter. reformers are a smaller category and treated like poppycock idealists between the two.

facebook is the worst on harassment but much of it, as with all social media really, also gets the cover of multiple dialects. . . it's a longstanding joke about themedia that present different articles and stories in english than they do in dari or arabic. censorship doesn't come as swiftly to arab. hence you find too much illegal porn and other activites that way too but report too much on it and you get labeled as phobic, singling it out, looking for it, but western arabic twitter has complained of it for years now.

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If I got stabbed in the eye, just pull the plug. I would have the willies for life otherwise.

Can they give him Anne Heche's liver? It might be good for at least a week.

They fucking hate this book, watch that one loon lose it in public.

Theocracy BAD. It is a brutal, violent form if government. Democrat good.

We have to stop Theocratic movements in the USA. See the US Supreme Court. Why do registered republicans want to live in a brutal Theocracy. It not going to be you in charge. Registered Republicans, you are the ones that will be brutalized.

“Salman will likely lose one eye; the nerves in his arm were severed; and his liver was stabbed and damaged.“

I hope he’s had his tetanus shot!

That guy who stabbed him probably wasn't even born when that book was written.

I cant imagine any book motivating me to get that upset to do that. Well I guess on the bright side, he's going to jail and if Rushdie dies, he's in even bigger shit. You dont have to die right away for it to become a murder charge.

He was scheduled to speak about the United States as a place for exiled authors “as a home for freedom of expression,” according to the institute. After the stabbing, he was transported by helicopter to a hospital in Erie, Pennsylvania.

A witness who was in the audience told The Post that Rushdie tried to run off the stage, and the two men scuffled before audience members rushed onstage to subdue the attacker.

"𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝒎𝒐𝒕𝒊𝒗𝒆 𝒃𝒆𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒅 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒂𝒕𝒕𝒂𝒄𝒌 𝒓𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒊𝒏 𝒖𝒏𝒄𝒍𝒆𝒂𝒓," 𝒐𝒇𝒇𝒊𝒄𝒊𝒂𝒍𝒔 𝒔𝒂𝒊𝒅.

So the nutcase stabbed him in the EYE???

So people just sat there and watched that for 20 seconds? Whipping out their phones? That's a long time for security to get a clue. Not like he was just some random Joe on stage with a freak accident.

[quote] So people just sat there and watched that for 20 seconds?

Stabbing is a quick action. A week or two ago a store clerk pulled his knife on a robber and stabbed him many times in just a few seconds.

How quickly would you have reacted to something unexpected like this in a "safe" space.

Allahu Akbar!!

R122 The Rialto Sanction refers to The Merchant of Venice.

[quote]How quickly would you have reacted to something unexpected like this in a "safe" space.

I am not a paid security guard assigned to protect a writer on stage with 30 years of death threats attached to his name.

There are extremist crackpots in every religion.

This is just one in Islam.

It’s not more common in Islam than in Christianity, so pretending one is superior is ridiculous.

A guy just tried to shoot up an FBI office. A huge gang tried to overthrow American democracy and, in the process, injured over 100 police officers. That cult is Trumpism.

What the fuck, r293 - I love Islam now!

Interesting that he chose a stabbing rather than a gun which would have been easier. Stabbing seems more personal and up close.

If Rushdie dies, does the family of the assassin get the bounty money?

Tons of Christian majority countries in both Eastern Europe and Africa that, while legally protecting gay people, vilify them publicly so they are shunned and often beaten and killed.

It’s just as bad as making it illegal. Many became that way after American Christians went there and influenced them to pass laws that cast shame on gays (like Russia’s “Dont Say Gay to kids” law).

R293 Not a good comparison since they didn't do it in the name of Christianity and a bunch of them probably aren't even Christians.

R297 Whataboutism. I personally judge anyone who is religious and I don't like any religions especially since most of them seem to want to oppress gay people.

The bounty money.

looks grim

R138 Those big venues at Chautauqua commenced with the Methodists and the women of The Women Christian Temperance Union.

Women in overseas countries did the Shautauqua Salute.

[quote]Has Padma Lakshmi released a statement?

"Hadi, please pack your knives and go."

This is why they're mad.

Xtianity has evolved, progressed and reformed to allow gays legal protection and social tolerance.

Islam cannot evolve, progress or reform because Islam is perfect. The Prophet said so. Ergo, homosexuality is a socially abhorrent and a crime in 57 Muslim countries.

Hadi Matar, Omar Mateen = Home-grown terrorists

[quote] It’s not more common in Islam than in Christianity, so pretending one is superior is ridiculous.

Are you kidding?

Looks like you can't have too much of a good thing

I posted way above that he is no more likely to survive than Anne Heche, who spent over an hour in a burning car, yet there were so many posts saying she would get past her injuries.

He is 75 years old and has endured massive wounds to an eye, his arm, his liver, his neck and probably other areas, On a ventilator and can't talk or breathe on his own. Say your prayers for him if so inclined and prepare or the inevitable.

Mad world.

R281 The second half of that video is scary.

I think that video was done in Huddersfield in Yorkshire.— which isn't far from the Rochdale rapists.

The people blaming Christianity or women on this are out of your minds. We all know why this happened. If you want to be taken seriously, speak the truth.

[quote] The people blaming Christianity or women on this are out of your minds.

They are obviously very young. I was as nutty as them when I was in my 20s.

R116, sure the Xtains win historically for worst religion ever.

But Islam has the current title for sure.

And it's not even close.

(Of course, like any body with a few working brain cells, we know that all organized religions are stupid, fear mongering and best left to the moron class.)

I hope Rushie is okay. Midnight's Children is one of my all time favorite novels.

“New Jersey man.” It would be funny if it weren’t so gross.

[quote] Midnight's Children is one of my all time favorite novels.

What did you enjoy the most, R314?

The plot? The characterisation? The prose? The wit?

R316, the premise is what drew me in first. I just thought it was so clever to write on the end of colonial India in the manner in which Rushdie chose to do.

But yes, the prose was stunning throughout. That kept me engaged. I'm a sucker for great lines.

Well, he was asking for it, that's for sure.

From NYT:

Mr. Rushdie was taken by helicopter to a nearby hospital in Erie, Pa., where he was in surgery for several hours on Friday afternoon. Mr. Rushdie’s agent, Andrew Wylie, said Friday evening that Mr. Rushdie was on a ventilator and could not speak.

“The news is not good,” Mr. Wylie said in an email. “Salman will likely lose one eye; the nerves in his arm were severed; and his liver was stabbed and damaged.”

That was already announced far upthread hours ago, r319.

Please try to keep up.

Has his assassin been proclaimed a national hero in Iran yet?

Sorry, R320. I'm in a very different timezone and can get a long way behind in a big thread like this.

Yeah, I'm calling this one as well. He's not going to make it. The stab to the eye may very well have penetrated the brain. He'll stay on the ventilator until his family arrives to make the final call.

I live approximately ¾ of a mile from the UPMC Hospital & Trauma Center where Rushdie was taken. For the past two hours, helicopter have been flying around the area almost non stop. It's a bit unsettling. Its on the flight path for medical transport helicopters going to the hospital, but there's never this much traffic at one time. I keep expecting one of those choppers to fall to the ground.

In March 1991, Khomeini's successor Ali Khamenei issued a further fatwa and multimillion-dollar bounty for the death of "any of those involved in its publication who are aware of its content". After the issuing of these fatwas, Hitoshi Igarashi - the Japanese translator of The Satanic Verses - was stabbed repeatedly in the face and arms by an unknown assailant and died. The same modus operandi was used by Rushdie's assassin.

Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) reportage of Rushdie's stabbing. I thought the headline "Rushdie attacked by knife in New York" was simply a case of bad English translation. Then I remembered Omar's describing Muslim 9/11 attacks as "some people did something", so it's more Muslims are innocent nonsense.

I had just bought a ticket on Thursday to see him speak next month.

See, Daddy! See what happens when there isn't proper security! So throw another 2 mill into my account by tomorrow and don't ask questions.

[quote]The countries, around the world, where homosexuality is still illegal tend to be former British colonies/protectorates who operate under common law. They inherited the laws but unlike the UK itself they haven't updated them in a more liberal fashion.

Um no. The countries where homosexuality is still illegal tend to be poor. Liberal views are linked to prosperity. Countries where many people have to struggle just to survive tend to attract fundamentalists. They couldn't care less about the rights of minorities, especially "deviant" sexual minorities. It's not a coincidence homosexuality is a huge taboo in most of Africa and gays and lesbians are treated much better in more prosperous places like Europe, Canada, U.S. and Australia.

[quote]Here's a picture of Hadi Matar so that DL can decide whether he's hot or not.

Matar is hot but he still deserves the electric chair. Don't waste time and money on a trial. Execute him right away.

You can't even go to a ballgame without getting your bags inspected these days. What made it possible for this lunatic to get into the lecture center with a deadly knife? Fuck Chautauqua.

Is Chautauqua still owned by a religious institution?

Until Allah returns his followers to the glory years of the 10th century some Muslims will have to make due in New Jersey.

[quote] The countries where homosexuality is still illegal tend to be poor

In some of the wealthest countries in the world, homosexuality is a death sentence.

[quote] Countries where many people have to struggle just to survive tend to attract fundamentalists.

Neither struggle nor fundamentalism has anything to do with either the social abhorrence or illegality of homsexuality. Again, some of the wealthiest, most educated countries in the world are homo-murdering.

[quote] It's not a coincidence homosexuality is a huge taboo in most of Africa

It's no coincidence those countries in which "homosexulity is a huge taboo" are either majority Muslim and/or are in open conflict with its Muslim population.

[quote] I don't trust Muslims any more than I trust Christians

I don't either. And thank goodness those two are at odds with each other. Because heaven forbid if they ever join forces -- and they both have a lot more in common with each other than either would care to admit -- the rest of the world will be living some Handmaiden dystopia.

[quote] The countries, around the world, where homosexuality is still illegal tend to be former British colonies/protectorates who operate under common law.

And in those countries, Britan simply encoded into law social taboos extant long before Britain knew the place existed.

R334, R335 = Catastrophists.

This oughta be good . . .

OK, R337 how in the world is R334 or R335 in any way, shape or form "catastrophist"???

R334, R335 = Americans.

R339 Never assume. You will invariably ERR.

R337? Question at R338 remains unanswered? Hello?

R334, you're not doing a fair evaluation at all. You're emphasizing the exceptions to the rule. That doesn't prove anything. Human psychology is not a hard science. There are always exceptions. Sure wealthy countries like Saudi Arabia persecute homosexuals. That doesn't disprove the bigger trend that if a country is highly developed and prosperous, and has a big middle class that enjoys a comfortable standard of living, they usually have more liberal views and are more accepting of gays and lesbians than a country where most people have to struggle to meet their basic needs. It's foolish to argue otherwise. Poverty brings out the worst in people. Countries where there is a small elite who is enormously wealthy while most people do not have a great quality of life do not count, even though they may look rich on paper, eg. GDP per capita.

[quote]Neither struggle nor fundamentalism has anything to do with either the social abhorrence or illegality of homsexuality.

Really. Christian fundamentalists support gay rights, eg. gay marriage. That's news to me.

Why is he white?

This has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Salman Rushdie was stabbed repeatedly on stage prior to giving a speech. He has likely lost an eye, and has possibly lost his life. For having written a book.

He may lose an eye. So then he’ll just be Salman Rushde.

[quote] You're emphasizing the exceptions to the rule.

R342 And you're turning a blind eye to the reality that neither fundamentalism, struggle, poverty nor the fact that it's Saturday have anything to do with homo-hatred in Muslim countries. It's sheer ignorance to argue otherwise.

[quote] Really. Christian fundamentalists support gay rights, eg. gay marriage.

Some of the most "conservative" Xtian countries provide tolerance and legal rights to homosexuals, both in Eastern Europe and Latin America. Unlike in Muslim countries.

R334, UAE is a Muslim country like Saudi Arabia. It's not a gay paradise but I'll bet authorities are much more willing to look the other way when it comes to homosexuality than in Saudi Arabia.

I'll bet there are many, many very poor countries that have nothing to do with Islam where homosexuality is a big taboo.

Ha. Proved you wrong, R334. I win.

[quote] Christian fundamentalists support gay rights, eg. gay marriage.

Gay marriage is still not legal in Italy. Does that automatically make them "fundamentalist"?

The religion of peace. Just wait for the screams of ISLAMAPHOBIA by Muslims and their leftist protectors over this. The villains will be playing the persecuted as normal.

[quote] UAE is a Muslim country like Saudi Arabia. It's not a gay paradise but I'll bet authorities are much more willing to look the other way when it comes to homosexuality than in Saudi Arabia.

Did you know that the UAE was about to pass a law prohibiting GAYS from entering the region?? But tabled it for the present because they were afraid they'd lose hosting the 2022 Mundial?????

[quote] I'll bet there are many, many very poor countries that have nothing to do with Islam where homosexuality is a big taboo.

And those many, many very poor countries are???

(I'll deign to take your response something that passes for seriously when you achieve a list 57 "poor" countries).

R348, is Italy more conservative and less prosperous than Britain, France, Germany, the Netherlands and Scandinavia? Why, yes it is. You do realise that, in general, Europe goes from more prosperous to less prosperous when you travel from the northwest to the southeast.

I sure enjoy winning all the arguments on this thread.

[quote]And those many, many very poor countries are???

I'm sure gay rights are a high priority in Haiti. Ha, I win again. This is easy.

R352 And the OTHER 56 very very poor countries?

This IS truly easy.

It's really not hard to look up

R351 "Conservative" is not synonymous with "fundamentalist", your term. Italy provides the same legal protection to gays as Britain, Germany, France and Scandanavia. So why is Italy "fundamentalist"?

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Author is on ventilator, will likely lose an eye, his arm nerves are severed and his liver damaged

Witnesses to the stabbing say that the suspect wore black clothing and a black mask during the attack on The Satanic Verses author in Buffalo on Friday.

The fake driver's license that was found on 24-year-old Hadi Mater bore the name Hassan Mughniyah. Both, the first and second names are linked to infamous terrorist organization Hezbollah

Mughniyeh was killed in a CIA-linked assassination in Syria in 2008

A aTwitter account linked to the Iranian state media, 'Iran in Arabic,' posted a photo of Matar next to a picture of Salman Rushdie with the words: '𝑳𝒆𝒃𝒂𝒏𝒆𝒔𝒆 𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒐 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒔𝒕𝒂𝒃𝒃𝒆𝒅 𝑺𝒂𝒕𝒂𝒏 𝑺𝒂𝒍𝒎𝒂𝒏 𝑹𝒖𝒔𝒉𝒅𝒊𝒆, author of The Satanic Verses, in which he insulted the Prophet of guidance and mercy, the Messenger of God, Muhammad.'

A classmate of the suspect, Gabriel Sanchez, told the website that Matar was a 'very devout Muslim.' He added: 'He took it seriously and did the washing of the feet in our high school restroom.'

He continued: 'He was a devout Muslim and one of the few things that I remember talking to him about was kindness. That's how I remember him

Event moderator Henry Reese, 73, a co-founder of an organization that offers residencies to writers facing persecution, was also attacked.

[quote]And those many, many very poor countries are?

Not many Muslims in Nepal. I'm sure they're constantly talking about gay rights. It must be a gay paradise.

Winning is so easy when you're dealing with someone who spends so much time emphasizing exceptions, as if that proves something.

R357 Exceptions? Uh, no. There is nothing exceptional about homo-hatred in 57 Muslim countries. There is nothing exceptional about Muslim prevention of gay rights advance in international forums. There is nothing exceptional about Muslims in the West murdering those who "offend Islam". There is nothing exceptional about Muslims in open conflict with societies in Europe, Asia and Africa.

And it has nothing to do with poverty, or ignorance or fundamentalism. It has to do one thing: ISLAM.

It's infuriating that his shit gets a pass. People can say anything all they want about Christianity, but say one word against the Muslim or Islamist world.This is insane. The man wrote a book, and people are seriously on here writing about oh, well in Christian countries. This is madness.

One does not question or - Heaven forfend! - criticize Islam. One submits. Silently.

[quote]He was a devout Muslim and one of the few things that I remember talking to him about was kindness.

Pass me the bucket. They always do this, trying to present their religion as more evolved and humane, even more than Christianity. Which is why he came to live in the United States!

r359 When you write a book blaspheming Christianity, Christians burn the books and lobby to ban them from libraries. When you write a book blaspheming Islam, Muslims...burn the author.

Anyway, back to Salman Rushdie. Is there any further news?

Well, he's a 75 year old man who was stabbed all over his body. At best he probably lost an eye. That's the latest.

On the brighter side of things, if he survives, this'll make great inspiration for his new novel!

[quote][R351] "Conservative" is not synonymous with "fundamentalist", your term. Italy provides the same legal protection to gays as Britain, Germany, France and Scandanavia. So why is Italy "fundamentalist"?

Italy just proves my point. There's a whole lot of difference between the lifestyles of gays and lesbians in the most prosperous cities of northern Italy and the poorest cities of the South. South of Rome, there is a lot of emphasis on being closeted and discreet.

When you enjoy a good quality of life, you're less likely to find fault with people who are different. When you have a miserable quality of life and there are limited resources to go around, you persecute minorities. That's just common sense.

No link between prosperity and liberal views in the U.S. That's why the poorest states, like Mississippi and West Viriginia are much more liberal than California. Gays and lesbians are flocking to the first two states.

I win. I win. I ALWAYS win.

You're the captain of a sinking ship, R355, because you refuse to accept common sense. Glug, glug, glug. I can hear you sinking beneath the waves.

By the way, R355, many Eastern European countries had gay rights imposed on them as a condition of joining the E.U. and they weren't happy about it. Nice try though.

More winning for me.

[quote] There's a whole lot of difference between the lifestyles of gays and lesbians in the most prosperous cities of northern Italy and the poorest cities of the South.

[quote] No link between prosperity and liberal views in the U.S. That's why the poorest states, like Mississippi and West Viriginia are much more liberal than California.

Gays in Italy and the US are protected by identical laws, no matter where they live. Unlike in Muslim countries.

[quote] many Eastern European countries had gay rights imposed on them as a condition of joining the E.U. and they weren't happy about it.

But they adopted those laws. And maintain them. To the benefit of their gay communities. Unlike in Muslim countries.

Yes, R368. Gays and lesbians feel particularly welcome in Mississippi and West Virginia. Lots of public displays of affection between gay couples, big pride marches every summer, huge gay scene eg. lots of gay bars and clubs.

You sure don't know when you've lost an argument. I'm tired of winning. I have to go to bed. Good night, R368, he who has no common sense.

R369 Welcome or not, they are protected by law. Like everyone else in Mississippi and West Virginia. Can't say that about gays in any Muslim country, who have NO protection, either from the law or their families/clans.

R370 Please read back through the thread and stop making shit up.

Ellen DeGeneres—CIA asset.

R371 Which "shit" am I making up?

Speed bumps at the trailer park scraped my bumper when I got home. Too many bags of top soil I guess.

-ConcernedEuropean

Thank goodness R369 has relieved us of its foul presence. Here's hoping that DisingenuousEuropean will be next.

Hi Sanjay / R375. Why are you up so late trolling?

R373 the suggestion that gays have no legal protection in any muslim country, at least look at the fucking map I posted.

R374 I don't get it but I think its probably a 'you' problem. Try not to inhale the glue too deeply.

R375 Nah, when I'm on a posting jag I don't stop. Love you though, let's hang out virtually sometime.

Listen asshole Muslim apologists, a lot more money has to get moved around. Jesus calm the fuck down. This is America. We do shit with class. They aren't ready yet, let the dam break, then the ((peace keeping aid)) pograms can begin. Impatient faggot.

R359 Give an inch and they'll take a mile! When the governments treat one religion differently from others, it will justify their thinking that their religion is the superior one and they will demand more special treatments. That's what happened in the past and what got us today, you can burn Bible, but don't you dare to burn The Quran, Blasphemies on Catholic or Pope will get you a No. 1 hit song or a blockbuster movie, but try that on Islam, you get killed!

PS. I give the communist Chinese government "credit" on one thing, they are consistent on punishing people, Christians, Falun cult or Muslims, it doesn't matter to them, you all going to the labor camp, no one gets a pass!

See, this is what happens when you do clownery.

Never, EVER, enter the turf of an opponent for negotiations. Never.

They're jealous that their 9/11 devices were underground so their mushroom cloud was sad and ugly, unlike the Lebanese mushroom which was huge and fiery.

[quote] R47] when the fuck did freedom of expression became a “right-wing phrase?”

When did flying a plain old red, white and blue American flag make you a “Trumper”?

When did “mother” become a bad word?

Why is the First Amendment “bonkers”?

All these charges are pressed by the left.

Any religion that tells you to murder people is not a religion but a murderous cult! The Bible tells you to love your enemy . The Quran tells you to kill them.

ConcernedEuropean, you are shitposting on a malaysian basketweaving forum alongside intelligence agencies, Jews, ayyys, skinwalkers and literal serial killer cannibals.

Just sayin’

R373 OK, I've looked at the map you posted. In WHICH Muslim country do gays have protection??????

And since we're on the subject, you need to look up the word "decriminalize". It does NOT mean "legal". See your post R244.

^^^ Meant for R377

Wait, ConcernedEuropean is a dirty Paki?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[quote] There is a LOT of diversity in the Islamic world

R204 R377 By whose definition are countries that are 90%+ Muslim considered "diverse"?????

[quote] Any religion that tells you to murder people is not a religion but a murderous cult!

R384 well, Bible has a lot verses on killing non believers too, just for you to know/remember.

Luke 19:27 but as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”

R385 I want to try Ayahuasca too! Was it easy to get ahold of?

R386 Not an exhaustive list, but for starters Bosnia-Herzegovina, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Turkey, and Bahrain

R390. Yes but your local preacher every Friday is not telling you to go out and do this is he?

R386 NONE of those countries have laws protecting gays. All they've done is decriminalized homsexuality. It remains a social taboo and gays continue to be victims of honor murders by their families/clans.

R388. What? No, but go fuck yourself, racist cunt.

R389. You should *visit some*, like I've been saying this whole thread. Go find out for yourself. You can go to Disneyworld again next year.

I still hope Rushdie pulls through but it doesn't sound promising. A twenty-four-year-old stabbing a seventy-five-year-old - so heroic.

Interesting point by Kenan Malik: "They lost the battle but they won the war"

Europoors are clearly aggressive and owe us hundreds of coconuts. We should be sending navy seal teams in to hunt them down, one by one. Their spears are no match for us. They started this war by refusing to allow us onto their shitty continent, and now it’s time to finish it.

This is the only way we can preserve the land for our logging teams.

R394 That doesn't answer the question. How a country that is over 90% Muslim can be characterized as "diverse"?

R393 They have legalised it, not decriminalised it, that's the point you were trying to grasp earlier.

I'm not going through all those countries again but in Turkey,for example, though opinion on homosexuality is divided, there have been some successful prosecutions of individuals and organisations for homophobic hate speech.

How come it looks like everyone wants to fight u "next time"

Muslims are spreading all over the western world and once they outnumber the original populations that's when the real bloodbath will begin with full approval of their clerics who will tell them to kill the non believers. This is coming soon with the full approval of our useless politicians who are sleepwalking us to destruction by appeasing these maniacs.

R395 it's absolutely right, the book won't even be written or published today, that's how the rest of the world has already lost to them!

Rome didn't have a space program.

R396 There's such a fine line between zany/surreal and tediously retarded. I know you were shooting for the former.

R397: there's many different kinds of diversity: ethnic, cultural, linguistic, and in opinion and belief, to name but a few. You don't think Bosnia-Herzegovina is diverse?

Did you know over 80 languages are spoken in Mali, for example?

R398 Legalized? No, they most certainly have not. ALL of those countries have simply decriminalized it. All of those countries harrass/jail gays from time to time to appease their very conservative Muslim populations.

[quote] in Turkey,for example, though opinion on homosexuality is divided, there have been some successful prosecutions of individuals and organisations for homophobic hate speech.

You mean in the same Turkey where they jail gays for attempting to hold Pride parades? THAT Turkey??

If the stabber gets off, it's because a Judge, Jury and whole legal system closed its eyes and stuck its fingers in its ears and hummed "la Internationale" when rendering the verdict.

R403 Learn something

It’s another glorious day at Sunk Cost Enterprises

Visited turkey many times and its pretty chilled as they have a massive younger generation there who want Erogan out and democracy in.

You mean the Istanbul Pride parades with 100,000 participants? Or the Izmir Pride Parade with 50,000 participants?

In the tweet at R395, Kenan Malik says that attitudes towards blasphemy have changed. That's only true in the context of Islam.

Partake in niceties you fucking clownhead

Has Omar commented?

The DA told me you were a gay prostitute and hooked on heroin, therefore whatever you say is worthless as shit.

R404, I don't think you really grasp the distinction between legalise and decriminalise.

In a last-ditch attempt to explain it to you, here is some info on the legal situation in Jordan, where you will find that homosexuality was legalised decades ago with the age of consent set at 16. More recently, honor killings have been banned.

The More You Know!

R403 Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with Muslim societies and their NON-DIVERSE social structures/lifestyles.

R403 Homo-hatred is the same in Mali as it is in Bahrain as it is in Malaysia. There is NO diversity or diversion.

Ooh, look, a Sternly Worded Letter™!

R414 You need to go back and actually READ what you're posting.

[quote] Jordan remains one of few Arab countries where homosexual conduct is not criminalized.

[quote] Same-sex sexual activity was illegal in Jordan under the British Mandate Criminal Code Ordinance (No. 74 of 1936) until 1951 when Jordan drafted its own penal code which did not criminalise homosexuality.

Again, decriminalize does not mean legal.

I'm curious as to how this guy's family collects the reward after Rushdie dies? What's the system in place? Sharia has a shitload of rules around money.

Fuck me R415/R416 you can't just force words to mean whatever you want them to mean! 'Diversity' is inherently plural

It's also *painfully* obvious you have never visited a single one of these countries. I've visited nine of them. Go out into the wide world and learn!

>Hear of DL’s new guy, CONCERNEDEUROPEAN >Turn on vid >Short little rat-faced mexican comes on the screen >So short his head barely makes it over the desk >Takes a shot of tequila and strokes his moustache >AYE AYE AYE, EL JUDICO NO MI GUSTAAAAA >fires little pistols in the air >MI PALESTINAAAA AYE AYE AYE >*Jarabe Tapatio plays in background* >Hear ICE agents pounding on his door

R418 You are taking the piss here right? Read THE VERY NEXT FUCKING SENTENCE AFTER THE ONE YOU QUOTED.

"In 1951, a revision of the Jordanian Criminal Code legalized private, adult, non-commercial, and consensual sodomy, with the age of consent set at 16.[5]"

There would not be a formal legal age of consent if homosexuality had only been decriminalised. OK?

[quote] It's also *painfully* obvious you have never visited a single one of these countries.

Visiting a country doesn't change its culture, its mentality, its population make-up or its completely absence of diversity, i.e. anything that is NOT Muslim or Muslim-approved.

[quote] There would not be a formal legal age of consent if homosexuality had only been decriminalised. OK?

Age of consent has nothing to do with homosexuality. Every country has an age of consent, including Muslim countries.

R409 Istanbul pride has been banned for years. I’m pretty sure it never reached anything more than a few thousand when it was allowed. Turkey is not tolerant of LGBT.

OK. It's sad really. This is why Trump made it to the Presidency. Ignorants like R423 who are proud in their ignorance, indeed deeply protective of it. Ah well, I tried. I think the eloquence of Clarence Darrow would not have been enough.

If anyone else has been listening, I truly recommend Bosnia, especially Sarajevo, which has emerged from its dark history and is a truly chilled and liberal place. You can sit and have a beer in the shadow of the grand mosque. Jumping from the Bridge at Mostar is also a fun challenge.

R421 A little better but your main problem is that you are still clunkingly unfunny.

R424 If something is not legal, you cannot legally consent to it.

Which is the most liberal Muslim country re gay lifestyle ?

R427 France

I will never understand how gay people give any religion - ANY religion - that despises gays a pass. Makes no sense.

It's totally freeing to say: Islam is a shitty religion towards gays. Full stop. It just is. We didn't make it that way. They did. Why the hell do we have to apologize for their words and action or twist logic to make sure THEY feel better about themselves? It's their stupid religion. Not ours. For large swaths of the Islam world, they seem more than happy to keep on hating us. Of course, many individual Muslims aren't anti-gay. But the religion they believe in clearly is. It's weird to argue otherwise. Just strange.

I don't think it makes one a good liberal to defend any faith that fundamentally hates you at worst, tolerates you at best. It makes you a slave to a bad idea. A good liberal would NEVER side with oppressors. Ever. That's one of the best things about being a liberal. We fight against flawed doctrines and oppression. Gay people are oppressed, often killed, by Islamic dogma. It's just that simple.

Oh and how nice of Jordan to ban honor killings! I'm sure it was a very difficult thing to do: Breaking with such a wonderful, long held Muslim tradition of killing of a gay person just for being...gay. But praise to them for finally deciding to do so! I guess all the anti gay stuff is over for good!

(And I will say the exact same thing if/when the above applies to Christians, Jews, Jains, Atheists, Hindus, etc. No god or religion should ever be why we, as gays, suffer. Life is hard is full of suffering as it is without that added bullshit.)

Back to Salman, i just hope he pulls through and can resume a somewhat normal life. I bet his next novel will be his best should he be able to write it.

R427 At least out of the ones I've been to, probably Bosnia, they have a queer Sarajevo festival and gay film festivals. I remember Turkey as being pretty relaxed and easy to get laid in, but in fairness that was in 2012 and social divisions may have sharpened since then.

I see the far-right trolls and the great replacement theory have now made their appearance in the thread.

[quote] Ignorants like [R423] who are proud in their ignorance, indeed deeply protective of it.

R426 What in R423 is "Ignorant"? Perhaps you mean your continued championing of "diverse" Islam when, in reality, there is no diversity?

[quote] I truly recommend Bosnia, especially Sarajevo, which has emerged from its dark history and is a truly chilled and liberal place. You can sit and have a beer in the shadow of the grand mosque

Only because it's 49% Xtian. Come back in 30 years, it'll be no different to Lebanon, with Xtians fleeing the country and Muslims dominating.

R431 Yeah, like I'm going to respect the opinion of someone who has never been to either place and never will go either.

[quote] the great replacement theory

R430 regarding that, it will take time to find out whether it's true or just a conspiracy theory, and the "time" would be 100 years from now on or even more.

[quote]I will never understand how gay people give any religion - ANY religion - that despises gays a pass.

Some people - however much they protest about how stupid other people are - have a very simplistic worldview, developed when they were young and which they see as the only one compatible with a liberal society that tolerates homosexuality. They will bend over backwards to tell you that night is day and then resort to personal insults where you refuse to go along with them.

R432 Opinion? Uh, no. Fact. Look up the Xtian pop of Bosnia. And reality. If you knew anything about the confessional history of Lebanon, you know that Xtians have been driven out of Lebanon by Muslims for decades.

R430, I haven't read the entire thread, so I apologize if this was discussed upthread, but are you arguing that Islam is now a super duper gay friendly religion because Bosnia isn't as bad as, say, Iran? Or Turkey ten years ago had a decent gay pride parade? For you do those things cancel out all the other anti-gay Islamic realities?

Is that about right or am I misinterpreting?

R433 No, trust me bro, you can just look at it critically and watch it collapse under the weight of its own silliness.

R436 You are misinterpreting and oversimplifying, I know the threads are long but it's better to at least skim them before firing in with some obvious straw men.

I'm not arguing that everyone has to think Islam is a 'super-duper religion'. I'm not a muslim either and there's plenty about Islam I disagree with and dislike, including many of the prevalent attitudes towards homosexuality (which is not what we started off with). I'm merely making the point that there is a lot of diversity in the Islamic world (to help out the person who doesn't understand what that means: diversity in opinion and belief,as well as social, cultural, linguistic, and ethnic diversity).

Americans raised on a diet of Bill Maher and Tucker Carlson tend to assume that the 1.8 billion Muslims in the world can all easily be represented by the most extreme Saudi and Iranian variants of the faith, or by the fucker who just tried to kill Rushdie.

That's it.

I've found my visits to Islamic countries hugely enriching and enlightening. It's a pity you are determined not to take my advice and visit at least one of the more liberal ones. You're missing out. But that's up to you.

Plus Turkish and North African men can be really hot.

R437 then I would suggest you to study the history of a country called Indonesia, to see how that nation transformed from under influences of island people and hindu, buddhism or confucius from neighbouring countries to under influences of Islam, it took hundreds of years but it's done!

By the way, and this may shock you, but here it is: I've been lucky enough to visit a good number of countries, and met lots of lovely people, and I can say unequivocally that the absolute friendliest and kindest people you will ever meet on your travels around this planet are..... the Iranians. Really. I've sat in restaurants and had total strangers come up and insist, over multiple objections, on paying for my meal just to welcome me to their country. Incidentally, a great many of them really don't like their government and wish their international image was better. But you would never find that out just sitting in Ohio watching US TV, eh.....? :)

Syria was also a nice country to visit prior to the war

That's great, R440. Were you open about being gay (and I don't mean hook-ups, obviously)?

In Iran? No. I don't tend to tell new acquaintances my sexuality, it's always seemed a slightly awkward thing to do. (I don't do it in my own country either). Some of the more liberal younger people I was hanging out with at least wouldn't have minded.

^ How do you know they wouldn't?

Because of things I heard them say about gay people in a different context (the guy I'm thinking of had done a lot of travelling abroad for example).

He also got me some smuggled Macedonian vodka at a party which was my most illicit thrill on that trip.

Ahem...back to Rushdie. One presumes he's still hanging in there, so that's good.

There's nothing more to say about his condition for now, R447, so don't try to (mis)direct the conversation.

[quote] I'm not a muslim either

[quote] I'm merely making the point that there is a lot of diversity in the Islamic world

That you're not a Muslim is obvious from your second assertion. There's social, ethnic, cultural, linguistic and they all get along because they're ALL MUSLIM.

[quote] that the 1.8 billion Muslims in the world can all easily be represented by the most extreme Saudi and Iranian variants of the faith

Saudi and Iran are no more "extreme" than Morocco, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt or Mail. And Islam is not a "faith", it's the foundation for the culture, mentality and lifestyle of 1.7 billion Muslims.

[quote] and I can say unequivocally that the absolute friendliest and kindest people you will ever meet on your travels

[quote] Syria was also a nice country to visit prior to the war

Yeah, being a tourist is fun, ain't it. But it's not so fun when you have to live in Muslim homo-hating societies, where you have to worry every single day about exposure and the consequences. Or in the case of Syria, living under a brutal dictator who bombs and gases his own people. Obviously, you've never heard of Hama.

R449 The whole Sunni/Shi'a thing just passed you by , didn't it?

Being a tourist IS fun, you should try it sometime.

[quote] Some of the more liberal younger people I was hanging out with at least wouldn't have minded.

R443 Of course they don't mind. You're a Westerner. If you were a Muslim, they would have been appalled, ashamed and shunned you.

[quote] Being a tourist IS fun, you should try it sometime.

R450 Being a tourist gives you inaccurate and false ideas about a place. See your posts for examples.

R451 Excuse me how the fuck do you know what the people that I met on my travels would have done?

have you guys forgotten last week's killing of 4 Muslim men in Albuquerque? I guess since it's not a hate crime against Muslim people, the media just lost interests.

R450 Whole Sunni/Shi'a thing? In what context??

R452 Because unlike you, I have far more understanding and knowledge of Islam and Muslim societies than the horseshit you shovel on this thread. Including your belief that travel in a country is the same as living there. It isn't. But you wouldn't know that.

Not nice to hear that Rushdie will probably lose an eye, but at least they probably wouldn't be talking in these terms if he were expected to die.

R454 Would you mind outlining from where you derive your understanding and knowledge of Islam and Muslim societies?

R456 From LIVING in them for decades and from speaking the language. Unlike you. You're the type of woefully ignorant fool who would have gone to Berlin in 1937 and exclaimed how lovely it was and how charming the people were.

How interesting. Which ones did you live in, and which language? What were you doing there?

It makes me cringe to hear ConcernedEuropean conflate his tourist experiences with what it's like to actually live there as a gay person. Tourism is a pretty shallow experience of a country.

R450 R456 What Sunni/Shi'a thing???

R459 Mate, I never said one solitary thing about what it was like to live there as a gay person. We had a discussion about the different laws in different countries during which R457 demonstrated his ignorance of the difference between 'legal' and 'decriminalised'.

[quote] What were you doing there?

R458 Well and truly learning to be able to spot ignorant Western horseshit. Such as yours.

If this guys family lives in the US and gets any money, IRS should go after it. Wouldn't it still be considered illegal since it's essentially murder for higher money? What they should do is let them collect it. Take it away through some kind of money law then use it to create a charity to fight extreme Islam propaganda with Salman Rushdie's name as the charity. Funding grants across the globe to other writers to point out the violence of that religion.

[quote] demonstrated his ignorance of the difference between 'legal' and 'decriminalised'.

R461 Uh, no, I haven't. But you sure have spending extraordinary effort championing and rationalizating and apologizing for a culture you are clueless about even at its most superficial.

So go on then, where did you live for decades and what did you do there? And which languages do you speak? R464

Between this thread, which has been quite an eye opener to how gross this website really is, and many other reasons over the past few years. I won't be back.

The fact that this happened makes me sick.

R465 Next time, think that maybe, just maybe, there are people on this forum who are far more knowledgeable than you arrogantly assume otherwise.

And for the third time, what Sunni/Shi'a thing???????

Why do people make proclamations of leaving anonymous websites like anyone gives a shit about them? Seriously, it's just some kind of ego trip to think anyone would care or even notice. No one even knows who you are, it's not Facebook. Just leave, you don't need to make a statement, no one cares.

R463 what are you talking here? He was born in the US and he is an adult man, does his family have anything to do with it? I don't know, neither do you, but you are arguing his family should be held responsible for his criminal offense, that's just ridiculous!

If they take that blood money, I do think they should face some consequences. If not, then leave them alone.

R467 Oh mate. You're on an anonymous message board, you don't even sign your posts, and you're still making up stories about living 'there' for 'decades' and speaking 'the language'???

I'm cringing for you. Your pomposity is only matched by your inadequacy.

Your statement: that they (the 1.8billion muslims in the world) all get along because they're ALL MUSLIM (R449) would have benefited from a basic understanding of the Sunni/Shi'a divide and how it frequently manifests as political violence, such as recently in Yemen.

But anyway I think you've moved out of the category of people it's worth arguing with. Go write an EST perhaps?

[quote]you are arguing his family should be held responsible for his criminal offense, that's just ridiculous!

Yes, I am, they raised a murder. Tired of "not our fault" parents who raise serial killers and feel they should not be held responsible. Besides, I am not saying put them in jail, all I am saying if they receive blood money it should be taken away and given to the victims family. If the parents had any kind of morals they would agree with that.

R471 I've got two words for you (which I know you're clueless about but . . .) The Haj

You're a horseshit artist. You know it. I know it. And anyone bored and reading this entire thread knows it. Spare yourself a lot of needless wear/tear on your fingers.

r472 so you support reparations like slavery, right? I mean you have to based on your own arguments here!

Gentlemen, the assassin's family/clan in whatever Muslim shithole he came from will eventually receive the bounty money from the Iranians. The Iranians aren't that stoopid to transfer it to the US.

R473 Ah of course, I should have guessed. You lead pilgrimages to Mecca. I was so wrong not to take you seriously.

R476 didn't understand. I'm *SHOCKED*.

[quote]so you support reparations like slavery, right? I mean you have to based on your own arguments here!

Diversion argument. There is a BIG difference between what society does an any point in time vs specific individuals raising rogue murders.

It's always a pleasure exposing defenders of homo-murder cultures on a gay board for the ignorant fuckwits they truly are. Thank you "Concerned European" R476 et al for yet another opportunity.

You keep saying "raised a murder" and it's getting irritating. You mean "murderer."

This gay thread is sure to strike at the very core of the world’s revealed religions!

R477 lol , you and ConcernedEuropean should start another thread, we will visit If we want but please leave this thread alone!

r468, the reason DL has become a flaming cesspool is because people like you think it makes you hardcore and edgy to act like you don't care about anything.

The vast majority of people who left DL because it's become overrun with terrible people and idiot trolls never said anything, but those of us who have been here a while can tell they're gone. There weren't enough shitty trolls and sockpuppets for them to take over threads before, but they do now, and it's not just irritating and gross, it's boring. You can't have a conversation about anything anymore, it's all troll shit, troll shit, normal comment, 43 troll shit comments, someone saying "wow there's a lot of troll shit," then 14 people saying "fuck you troll shit is great fuck you we don't care about you shut up" and then 43 more troll shit comments.

R376, you do know that Sanjay is a Hindu name, don’t you? I suspect you were trying to imply the other poster was Muslim. Is there another thread which discusses SR as this one has gone just a tad off topic?

I thought you were leaving R483? You just cant put you money where you mouth is can you? I thought so.

R476 it’s okay to let the thread breathe a bit without chipping in your two cents worth every five minutes. You’ve travelled to Muslim-majority countries…. We heard you the first fifteen times.

OK that was kind of funny, you get an upvote. I know I'm talking mostly to Americans though so I thought stories of international travel might be a welcome novelty.

R487 I'm not American and have visited Muslim countries. I witnessed men in Morocco pulling at my mother and sister's hair, shaming them for having long hair that wasn't covered up. I went to Palestine and witnessed very aggressive and discriminatory behaviour from a taxi driver.

See, if you've actually read the New Testament and the Koran, you'll understand that at least Jesus urges you to have a patronising and somewhat tolerant attitude towards 'sinners'. That is what is missing from the Koran in comparison.

Countries which oppress women and gays are always war-torn, barren and backwards. There is no greenery, no art, no beauty, no innovation. I’m not saying that women and gay people are the font from which these things flow, but just that when there is no balance, everything is jammed up and stifled.

This is not true of the original birthplace of Islam, which was quite civilized and brought us beautiful art and innovations in mathematics. The religion of peace has been bastardized by its diaspora.

I think Europe should deport all Muslims. They would save tons of money and reduce crime, violence and increase public safety immensely. Muslims contribute next to nothing to the societies they migrate to.

R491 based on what, your assessment? I'm a professor in a European STEM university and there are many 1st and 2nd generation immigrant students who are doing just fine and graduating with the same skills as old stock Europeans.

[quote] This is not true of the original birthplace of Islam, which was quite civilized and brought us beautiful art and innovations in mathematics

Absolute nonsense. The "birthplace" of Islam was a hellhole filled with never-ending bikering and fighting between tribes. Mohammed sought to reduce the bickering and to create an ummah by marrying women from each tribe, including a nine year old, as well as subsume tribal beliefs with his own loftier notions, 1,400 years later and Mohammed's social experiment and notions remain a complete failure.

R491 should be deported for idiocy.

R482: based on crime statistics. I remember a Paris without cops with guns. I remember a Germany without hundreds of cops on New Years Eve to make sure women are safe.

[quote]This is not true of the original birthplace of Islam, which was quite civilized and brought us beautiful art and innovations in mathematics. The religion of peace has been bastardized by its diaspora.

Many of the innovations of the so-called Islamic Golden Age were actually produced by Jews and Christians.

As Ali g would say DISS harry gezzer as gone way down ill as eeeee not

R494: why don’t you list the massive contributions Muslim have brought to European societies. I am open to changing my mind. Also list the acts of violence they have committed as well.

[quote]R376, you do know that Sanjay is a Hindu name, don’t you? I suspect you were trying to imply the other poster was Muslim. Is there another thread which discusses SR as this one has gone just a tad off topic?

Nope. I mean Sanjay is actually a person who lives in the same city I do and is a former sexual partner. He's figured out my IP address and follows me around the internet and sometimes makes inflammatory responses to my comments as a joke. He would think it was funny if I lost my cool and made angry comments in response to his trolling. He called himself Sanjay on another chat forum in our hometown. I wasn't trying to think of a generic Muslim name. I assume it's him. Can't be sure.

[quote]I remember a Germany without hundreds of cops on New Years Eve to make sure women are safe.

Yesterday belongs to you.

R491 R495 R498 Nobody denies the issues with low IQ immigrants with no skills. But your mistake is you make a 100% blanket generalization that zero Muslim immigrants can contribute anything to the European countries in which they live. There are educated, highly skilled classes in all Muslim countries, and have been for a millennium. You ignore that often the desperate immigrate. Low skills. And many shady types as well. It takes a generation or two to assimilate, and only some people can rise out of any underclass. This is true in EVERY immigrant culture.

Continuing from R501. So I do agree there have been too many muslims accepted in the recent waves arriving in Europe, the solution is not deportation of all Muslims from Europe. What is this, the new Inquisition? It also angers me that Merkel twisted European leaders to accept millions, but nobody went after RICH muslim states to accept desperate migrants. So they did not. The rich Middle East refused them. That's a SCANDAL.

If the whole arabian peninsula were nuked I imagine what's left of Islam would not be so abhorrent and backwards. But the Sauds and the Sheikhs are psychopaths and killers and have been for hundreds of years and they 've been funding crazies all around the world

I don't understand why he wasn't charged with first-degree attempted murder. Clearly premeditated.

R438, I have no issue visiting Islamic countries. In fact, I've been to Morocco. I thought the food, architecture and people were wonderful. Men too! Though I stayed away from acting on those desires sadly. For rather obvious reasons.

But my traveling there (and total enjoyment of the place itself) doesn't mean I think Islam isn't anything other than a horribly constructed religion based on barbaric literature. Not as bad historically as Christianity - in sheer numbers of loss of life and spirit - but much, much worse if we just focus on the past 50 years or so.

I've read the Quran. I don't need Bill Maher or Tucker Carlson to tell me how I feel about the text or religion derived from it. (For the record, I'd rather eat shit than listen to a word Tucker has to say about anything. I do like Maher, though he's much too focused on anti-wokeism these days. I contend that the only thing worse than the rabid woke is the rabid anti-woke. Both two sides of the same annoying coin.)

And, of course there's a wide range of practicing fundamentalism (or lack thereof) within the nearly 2 billion Muslims in the world. I think it's great and valid you're pointing that out. (Though I contend arguing that Bosnia is the shining example of a Muslim liberal Valhalla might not be as effective as you believe it to be.)

I think what we should do is, perhaps, try and make Bosnia and Morocco the norm NOT the exception in the Muslim world. One way to do that? And perhaps the only way? We can start by not apologizing or pivoting away from the nastier side of the religion. The side that permeates much of the Islamic world, sadly. But instead shine a light on it. Help usher in a Islamic reformation, if you will. I think the world would be such a better place if that were to happen. But that would take self-reflection and I think if we keep saying how stunning and brave Islam is? Cherry pick how great a few parts of the Islam world might be? Well. the desire to reform will never materialize. Why would anyone change something that the world tells them is doing nothing wrong? In short: They wouldn't.

I truly do hope that the religion finds itself leaning more and more into liberalism as a faith. That would be wonderful. For Muslims and gays alike. And then we could go and see Iran, Syria, etc. All those wonderful places with wonderful people. It would be, well, wonderful.

But I think Islam has a ton of work to do before it even scratches the surface of becoming a liberal faith, in the broad sense, to make all that wonderfulness happen.

(Yeah, sorry I didn't read all your posts. I love you, but you can get wordy post after post! Apologies.)

You weren’t writing it to me, R505 - but that’s an excellent post. Thank you.

Maybe Anne He he comes of donate her eye.

Indonesia is quite Muslim.

Apparently JK Rowling is next in line at the Stabathon.

Interesting article about gay rights in Muslim countries.

Please everyone applaud the almost deafening silence and condemnation of this atrocity by the Muslim community. Some of them are openly celebrating and planning a big party when JK Rowling gets it too.

Just THINK how many books Salmon is going to sell now!! This has been a brilliant career move for one of our senior intellectuals. He's the Kate Bush of the *New York Review of Books* set!!

R511: exactly! And the Muslim apologists can go fuck themselves.

The fact that we haven't gotten any updates in over 24 hours is not a good sign.

ooh, I hadn't thought about JK Rowling; yeah, that woman better increase her security.

[quote] I don't understand why he wasn't charged with first-degree attempted murder. Clearly premeditated.

We've discussed this before. In NYS 1st degree murder is for murder with specific circumstances. 2d degree is still premeditated.

Thanks, I missed the earlier discussion.

I Googled "JK Rowling Muslims" and she Tweeted stuff like

[quote]Islam doesn't kill people. People kill people.

after the Manchester Arena bombing. Why would Islamists go after her?

[quote] I would suggest you to study the history of a country called Indonesia, to see how that nation transformed from under influences of island people and hindu, buddhism or confucius from neighbouring countries to under influences of Islam, it took hundreds of years but it's done!

It certainly is. The 1965 genocide with over a million murdered Chinese and and other "nonbelievers" emphasizes the point.

It seems to be because Rowling is a friend of Rushdie's and wished him well.

[quote] Some of them are openly celebrating and planning a big party when JK Rowling gets it too.

Pics please TIA

That or we've seen the first flowerings of the Islamist - TRA alliance (Headquarters: Tehran)

/s

You are so concerned.

Now see, bitches. This is what we've been saying for so long now. Ban our guns and we'll just get knives to kill with.

Thank you R505, I enjoyed your reasoned post. I love you too. I think there's quite a bit there we can agree on.

If you've read the Qu'ran and dislike the Islamic faith because of what you've read that's fine with me, like I said I'm not a muslim myself and am not here to promote Islam. I just feel that US discourse is so blinkered and one-sided when it comes to Islam (I mean, when Donald Trump proposed a global ban on all muslim visitors that was a real low point) and I do blame people like Bill Maher for that, since he commits the error of taking the most extreme elements as representative of the whole. We agree on the diversity within the Islamic world too.

As for what you said about 'shining a light on the worst parts of Islam', I certainly don't believe any belief system should be free from criticism or offense - like I said, I read Rushdie's 'The Satanic Verses' and I love him as a novelist. I do think you have to draw a distinction though between 'I disagree with what these Islamic scholars have said about women' (for example) and 'I dislike what Islam says about women so therefore we have to kick all Syrian refugees out of Europe immediately because every single one of them is a rape waiting to happen'. In other words, it's important not to let reasonable critiques of a belief system shade over into broad-brush racism. (I'm sure this is going to generate some good replies from our fellow thread participants).

Also, sorry about the wordiness. Sometimes I might get a teeny, tiny little bit high and then I go on DL posting jags. It seems to emphasise my natural loquaciousness somewhat.

r518, you know good and damn well it's not the Twitter Muslims that have been sending her a steady stream of death threats over the last few years.

Freak religious muslim fucks. Nuke all those backwards gay/woman hating cunts to bits! Smelly ass scumbags.

An ultra-conservative newspaper in Iran, whose chief Hossein Shariatmadari is a close confidant of current Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, showered the alleged attacker with praise.

: '𝑩𝒓𝒂𝒗𝒐 𝒕𝒐 𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒔 𝒄𝒐𝒖𝒓𝒂𝒈𝒆𝒐𝒖𝒔 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒅𝒖𝒕𝒚-𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒔𝒄𝒊𝒐𝒖𝒔 𝒎𝒂𝒏 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒂𝒕𝒕𝒂𝒄𝒌𝒆𝒅 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒂𝒑𝒐𝒔𝒕𝒂𝒕𝒆 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒅𝒆𝒑𝒓𝒂𝒗𝒆𝒅 𝑺𝒂𝒍𝒎𝒂𝒏 𝑹𝒖𝒔𝒉𝒅𝒊𝒆 𝒊𝒏 𝑵𝒆𝒘 𝒀𝒐𝒓𝒌. 𝑳𝒆𝒕 𝒖𝒔 𝒌𝒊𝒔𝒔 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒉𝒂𝒏𝒅𝒔 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒐𝒏𝒆 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒕𝒐𝒓𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒏𝒆𝒄𝒌 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒆𝒏𝒆𝒎𝒚 𝒐𝒇 𝑮𝒐𝒅 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉 𝒂 𝒌𝒏𝒊𝒇𝒆.'

Matar was born in the US to Lebanese parents who emigrated from the southern border town of Yaroun, a stronghold of the Iranian-backed terror group Hezbollah. Pictures of the town showed billboards emblazoned with the image of Ayatollah Khomeini.

A Hezbollah official said they don’t ‘know anything’ about Matar’s attack and declined to comment.

Fouad Komayah, who was married to Matar’s mother, wept when told the news about his former stepson and said he had ‘no idea’ about his political sympathies.

He told the MoS: ‘Hadi? No! Hadi? Hadi? Hadi is a very good boy, he is smart, he has a good heart. He wouldn’t touch anybody.’

Matar was last night described as a loner who is believed to have lived with his mother and two sisters in a smart detached home in Fairview, New Jersey, for the past three years. ‘They are a normal, very nice, very American family,’ one neighbour said.

‘I never saw any red flags with him. We talked about working out and fitness and food. We used to go boxing together but we didn’t do sparring – we did jumping, punching a bag, not the heavy stuff.

‘I would say he was a loner and I didn’t see him with friends and I don’t think he socialised much.’

The neighbour added: ‘The last time I saw him was on Monday and he seemed like his normal self. We were talking about going for food at a Turkish restaurant nearby.’

The Satanic Verses last night soared to fifth place on Amazon’s fiction bestseller list.

This is bad news. This guy knew where to stab. You go for the neck not just to slash the jugular or carotid, but also to damage the esophagus and larynx. You go for the right side of the abdomen to damage the liver. A damaged liver may need a transplant. Who knows …if he survives will he be able to speak, chew, smile? And he’ll be losing at least one eye. He isn’t young. He may not survive and if he survives he may not recover.

Damn, that fucker knew what he was doing. After all these years, this little shit just walks right up onstage and starts stabbing calm as can be…

[quote] In fact, I've been to Morocco. I thought the food, architecture and people were wonderful. Men too!

You’re obviously not female.

I love how men on the internet are like, “I’ve been to scary places and they’re perfectly safe! I wasn’t afraid to walk down the streets at night! I never felt threatened or in danger. You people are so crazy.”

Now….. give yourself a vagina and blonde hair….and walk down that same street late at night. Walk into a shop unaccompanied by a man or a group of women. Just walk your blonde self into that shop. And …lasciviously check out the men. Let them know you’re interested. Or…just look men in the eye.

How safe are you feeling now?

[quote] They are a normal, very nice, very American family,’ one neighbour said.

‘I never saw any red flags with him’

Sounds just like a pit bull owner.

R530 you don't need to sit there imagining yourself as a vampish blonde in a Moroccan convenience store.

If you don't like men's opinions on the internet, then seek out women's opinions, such as some of the blogs full of advice on different countries from solo female travellers . Here's one.

So sick of the “but he’s so nice” narrative. He was a loner who comes from Muslim fucks who clearly didn’t assimilate to America as their names weren’t John Johnson. I mean let’s call a spade a spade (or in this case a Terrorist a Terrorist) if it wasn’t Rushdie and the Fatwa , he would have been a suicide bomber at the Yankees game to really kill the most west /American type thing he could. They’re filled with hate and carry it out because RELIGION is the only thing they live for. Get them the fuck out of here. The poster who said women are targets of them is 100% correct. They refuse to acknowledge women or gays as equals. They have no issue with raping and brutalizing and murdering their own family members who dare not act or think as the MEN do. And they don’t consider gay men as real men. Why the fuck do we allow them here?

[quote]Why would Islamists go after her (J.K. Rowling)?

Here's what wikipedia says, R518. It looks like the Harry Potter books are very popular in many Islamic countries, but, of course, ultraconservative imams have a problem with them. I knew they'd object to the witchcraft:

The Harry Potter books were banned in schools across the United Arab Emirates (UAE) in 2007. According to a spokesman from the education ministry of the UAE government, the books' fantasy and magic elements were contrary to Islamic values. Despite being banned from schools in the Emirates, there were thought to be no plans to ban them from bookshops within the country.

A large number of Islamic scholars have argued that the books' magical themes conflict with Islamic teachings. A series of online fatāwa have been logged by imams against Harry Potter, decrying it as un-Islamic.

Feiz Mohammad, the Australian Islamic preacher believed to have inspired Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the perpetrators of the Boston Marathon bombing, decried Harry Potter for "paganism, evil, magic and the drinking of unicorn blood".

In Iran, the series is popular and published by the Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance. In July 2007 the daily paper Kayhan called the series "a billion-dollar Zionist project" created to "disrupt young minds." The article was ignored by the government and the series continued to be published normally.

The typical "you're a Nazi racist" accusations are always pulled out whenever I explain my misgivings about Muslims in Europe. Wouldnlt it be just so easy for you to instead write a detailed list of the contributions Muslims have made to Europe? I'm still waiting.

R530, what a weird thing to focus on, given the totality of my post. And your post in response seems needlessly aggressive and almost accusatory. Strange.

This thread, and my post for sure, hasn't been focused on how females navigate through the world. Though we can certainly change course if you'd like!

For the record, I couldn't imagine what it would be like to have to worry about the stuff females have to worry about just to walk down a street. It's very, very shitty and wildly unfair.

I've never heard of the website veritasetcaritas.medium.com, R535. Are you sure it's reliable?

Muslims beat back fanatical Christian Crusaders during the Middle Ages, R535. That's an important contribution to the history of mankind.

"ConcernedEuropean" is a total wanker. Funny how he thinks he can "educate" and scold people who are not as "enlightened' as his pathetic tourist self. I have been to Morocco and lived among Muslims in Europe, don't need to be lectured by some twatty misogynistic useful idiot for Islam.

Here's the front page of Iranian state newspaper Jam-e Jam. "Satan's eye has been blinded."

R538 Thank you for your feedback, please rest assured I will be changing nothing.

R535 Hmmm.... the Alhambra?

Stop Concerned One. Stop smoking drugs or drinking coffee. Take your lithium.

[quote]Why would Islamists go after her (J.K. Rowling)?

In this particular instance, I think it's because of her support for Rushdie that she tweeted after this attack. One guy who was extolling the attach wrote: "you're next" to her. Apparently the police are now involved, and the twitter handle has been deactivated (whether by the poster himself or not, I'm not sure).

Jan 2014 - A British volunteer was stabbed in a late night attack in Marrakech, Morocco. Naomi’s Greenslade, 22, was walking to her accommodation with a group of friends at around midnight on Wednesday when she was attacked by a man armed with a machete. The dental nurse, from Bargoed, near Caerphilly in Wales, was in the city for a week of volunteering with orphans.

October 2015 article published in Morocco World News shows teenage boys attacking a woman with eggs, flour and water on Ashura Day in Casablanca, Morocco. Ashura Day is the tenth day of Muharram. The video was shown on social media falsely claiming the attack occurred in France

Aug 2016 - Video surfaced this week of a young woman being sexually assaulted by a group teenagers on a bus, while onlookers did nothing to prevent the attack. The disturbing video was shared on social media on Sunday, Middle East Monitor reports. It shows a group of young men undressing the woman on a Casablanca bus and forcing themselves on her as others cheer on the assailants. The woman, 24, is said to have learning difficulties and was in tears as none of the passengers stepped in to stop the violence.

May 2017 - An Irish woman who was residing in Taghazout, near the popular resort of Agadir, Morocco has died following an alleged stabbing.

On 17 December 2018, the bodies of Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, a 24-year-old Danish woman, and Maren Ueland, a 28-year-old Norwegian woman, were found decapitated in the foothills of Mount Toubkal near to the village of Imlil in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco. The men filmed the beheading of one of female tourists and uploaded it to social media

Feb 2019- A young Italian woman was stabbed by three men in Rabat, Morocco after a night out with her friends.,

Jan 2022 - A 78-year-old French woman was killed in a knife attack in a market in the southern Moroccan town of Tiznit and a Belgian woman was stabbed by the same attacker in another town later in the day.

That’s a little too rape-y/murder-y for me. I think I’ll vacation elsewhere.

[quote] Why would Islamists go after her (J.K. Rowling)?

Why assume it's Islamists? How about woke American progressives.

Aug 9th Buzzfeed equates Rowling with Benedict Arnold, Jim Jones, Fred Phelps, OJ Simpson, Bill Cosby, and so forth.

'quote' Muslims beat back fanatical Christian Crusaders during the Middle Ages, [R535]. That's an important contribution to the history of mankind.

Ah, yes. So they could be free to enslave much of their world and kill the rest who would not convert.

I can't take you seriously, R545, if you haven't figured out how to use quote correctly.

No, it proves that Europeans have been just as fanatical as some Muslims are now, and have always had imperialist ambitions. Europeans loved to conquer and subjugate people, until it became politically incorrect in the 20th century.

Thank goodness for the Themistocles at the Battle of Salamis in 480 BC. Castile King Ferdinand in 1492, and the Holy Roman Empire at Vienna in 1529. Each saved Europe from being an Arabic colony, only for the 21st century EU to try to give it all away.

Yes, R547, and the British had an empire and the French had an empire and they treated their colonies really well and didn't exploit them in the slightest. Good thing Europeans have always been the most morally superior in the world. Things in the Belgian Congo were just too, too wonderful under the leadership of King Leopold. Africans never had it so good.

* most morally superior people in the world

R541 Lithium? Pfffffff. If I were a manic depressive, believe me you would know about it.

Concerned one, you were arguing with one guy for more than 50 posts just 10 hours ago, now you back for another round, don't you ever rest? lol

He's off the ventilator and talking.

...... and he wants the attacker to get a lethal injection immediately.

Maybe this has already been mentioned but the attacker is pleading "not guilty".

R554 I will be surprised if anyone ever pleads guilty in the first court appearance, not just this case, in almost all legal proceedings, lawyers (private or public defenders) will instruct people not to plead guilty in the initial hearing, it's a "standard" procedure, "guilty" plea is reserved for bargain with the the prosecutors on death penalty or prison time etc.

Talking and joking. That sounds positive.

Great news R557!!

[quote] In fact, I've been to Morocco. I thought the food, architecture and people were wonderful. Men too!

Typical of certain gay men. They use their penis instead of their brain.

Vienna 1683, R547. And it was Turks not Arabs.

R559 the gay man you're quoting (me) is somehow able to use both his brain and his dick. Sometimes at the same time!

What can I say? I'm gifted that way.

I haven’t read the book. I will now make it a point to.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Wow.....watch this guys. This man is a damn hero!!

This is a good interview with an 85-year-old man from Charlotte, who immediately got up onto the stage to help Rushdie. He mispronounces Rushdie's name, but never mind...

I guess Twitter executives are worried about being targeted by Islamic extremists, R563. Unfortunately, it looks like terrorising people gets results.

How does JK Rowling manage to make this about her?

JK Rowling didn't make it about her. She expressed her shock.

Then she got a death threat herself, a regular occurrence for her, and the people who tweet obsessively about her accused her of making Rushdie's death about her, because there are many accounts who only generate attention when they tweet about JKR.

So JKR started trending and as more people defended her and pointed out she receives death threats for being a heretic, then she got attacked for being an attention seeker, simply for asking Twitter to deal with the death threat she'd received saying "You're next".

There were writers attacking Rowling who hadn't said anything about Rushdie.

R567 you are just being a contrary wanker.

During a thread about Dave Chappelle, it was mentioned how he’s a equal-opportunity jokester except when it comes to Islam, partly because he’s Muslim, but also because he knows the danger inherent in joking about his religion. The closest he came to mocking it was when he did a bit about being on an airplane hijacked by a terrorist with a heavy, Arabic accent, except the joke was that the hijacker was actually Chinese — quite a dodge, but funny nevertheless.

I used to be jealous of Rowling's wealth but now I don't envy her. Never know when some wacko might succeed in attacking her, even with security. What a way to live!

Concerned European is the new type of leftist white supremacist - someone who thinks of himself as an educated intellectual but harbours the same old prejudices but presents them with a view he considers logical rather than base hatred.

The misogyny and antisemitism are overt but Concerned European takes a view that dark skinned folk in the counties Donald Trump called shitholes are somehow less culpable for their actions and have less agency than white western people.

Nothing encapsulates this white saviour complex better than Queers for Palestine.

Here's Helen Joyce making it all about Rowling. Sonia Sodha tweeted more or less the same thing. I suspect they share the DL psychosis which drives some posters to derail every single thread into a fight about the trans. Twitter should seriously carry a health warning.

[quote]I used to be jealous of Rowling's wealth but now I don't envy her. Never know when some wacko might succeed in attacking her, even with security. What a way to live!

BUT SHE IS A BILLIONAIRE WHO LIVES IN A CASTLE! AND SHE IS LITERALLY CALLING FOR THE GENOCIDE OF TRANS PEOPLE.

Anyway, the BBC are now reporting Rushdie is off the ventilator and able to speak.

If I was religious I'd thank god, but I'm not so I won't.

R572 Hello again, Stalker. What you have posted bears impressively little relation to anything I have expressed on these boards. Can I assume that you are now regularly dreaming about me, and are having difficulty in distinguishing dream from reality?

But I shall dignify a little bit of what you just vomited up with a response.

Of course the Palestinians have less agency, you fucking fruitcake. They are not citizens of a sovereign state, and they live under conditions of occupation. This is all very, very basic and obvious to anyone who can think rationally.

I'd rather be a billionaire who is a lot less famous than Rowling, R574.

No, Concerned European, what I've posted is an accurate summary of the racist ideals you repeatedly push when assuming the identity of an intellectual.

R579mGo on then. Link to one post of mine, just one, to support your charge.

I dare you.

Above was for R579

[quote] . . . Twitter executives are worried about being targeted by Islamic extremists . . . it looks like terrorising people gets results.

You motherfucking BET it does!

Bataclan, Pulse, London, Woolrich, Manchester, Birmingham, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Paris, Joué-lès-Tours, Saint-Quentin-Fallavier, Oignies, Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray, Conflans-Sainte-Honorine, Charleroi, Levallois-Perret, Marseilles, Nice, Nimes, Toulouse, Carcassonne, Berlin, Hanover, Würzburg, Ansbach, Düsseldorf, Vienna, Brussels, Antwerp, Liège, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Malmo, Turku, Sydney, Oslo, Madrid, Barcelona, New York, Boston, San Bernardino, Mumbai, Kenya, Nigeria, Mali, Chad, Ivory Coast, etc. etc. etc

Islam's on-going 1,400 year war of conquest and submission of the West/non-Muslims will continue until non-Muslims are subjugated or Islam is weakened and no longer militant.

[quote]Of course the Palestinians have less agency, you fucking fruitcake. They are not citizens of a sovereign state, and they live under conditions of occupation. This is all very, very basic and obvious to anyone who can think rationally

Hamas mandates the murder of gay people because Israel? Or because of British colonialism?

Or because they're simply barbaric and their devout religious beliefs allow them to think that death is a suitable punishment for homosexuality?

No. I simply said the Palestinians have less agency than white western people, because they are not citizens of a sovereign state and lived under conditions of occupation. It was a form of rebuttal to your previous garbled collection of thoughts.

All the stuff about Hamas you shat out yourself. R583

R583 In Gaza, the common "crime" for which people are executed is "collaboration". That encompasses everything from homosexuality to attempting to swindle Hamas thugs out of "protection money" to challenging Haniyeh's iron-fisted rule.

In typical DL fashion, Anonymous chickenshits who can only think in binaries personally go after user who expresses nuanced, cogent opinions and signs their posts.

Thanks R586. I actually feel like signing your posts should be mandatory.

[quote]All the stuff about Hamas you shat out yourself. [R583]

So Palestinians have a choice about whether they kill people for being gay?

Their refusal to adopt LGBT+ rights, like Israel, South Africa, New Zealand etc is a choice.

Gotcha!

[quote]In typical DL fashion, Anonymous chickenshits who can only think in binaries personally go after user who expresses nuanced, cogent opinions and signs their posts.

Such an intellectual!

I'll pray for him.

If people who are critical of (for example) transgenderism and Islamic immigration had to sign their posts, and thus had all their posts consistently linked together, Cinesnatch and ConcernedEuropean would be first in line saying, "I'm gonna tell on you to the police!"

Leftist posters are far more likely to sign using their username (PoisonedDragon, Ooze) and I wonder whether their willingness to do so is linked to their knowledge that their orthodox views will never get them in trouble.

R590 You can be tracked via your IP address. Whether you authenticate or not is irrelevant.

Truly impressive R590, maybe the dumbest post on the whole thread, and that's saying a lot..

How am I supposed to work out which jurisdiction a named poster lives in so I can 'tell'????

^ Quite simple. People refer to such facts frequently. For example, you're an Irish citizen living in London, aren't you? Something like that, at any rate.

R591, the posts may all be linked by IP address but they would remain unreported unless some DLer decides that a given poster has enough offending posts that his account may be of interest to authorities. For example, if it was a conservative poster living in one of a number of European countries, CE would be in luck, as free-speech protections are poor.

Girls, girls. Stop arguing. This is exhausting.

R590, please stop congratulating yourself. I have better things to do with my time than invest the effort to report dummies like you to "the police" for their political views (whatever the Hell that means, lmao). I waste enough time on here as it is.

I assure you, the lies spread about me on DL (by you, for instance, that I give a flying fuck enough to report you to "the police" for expressing a blunt, backward opinion; by the AWF Troll; by some freak that has been writing in German lately; or by any number of the anti-trans freaks; amongst others) are worse than anything I would to you, all for ME simply signing MY posts. But, by all means, irrationally fear what I could possibly do to you if you were to begin taking accountability for your stupidity with a handle on DL. :smh:

[quote]Girls, girls. Stop arguing. This is exhausting.

It's never exhausting to challenge racism and misogyny. Don't forget that Concerned European also pushes Putin apologism and thinks Ukraine should surrender in the name of peace.

But enjoy your Sunday!

"Je suis Charlie."

And then she clicked her heels and snapped her fingers like she was one of them castanet strippers they used to have at the Flamenco A Go Go!

Remember that place? Out by the highway? After it burned down they found the body of a dead mountain lion in there.

There's a Super Target there now.

I'm afraid I also drown puppies and kittens.

[quote]I thought you were leaving [R483]? You just cant put you money where you mouth is can you? I thought so.

I never said I was leaving, r485. You've got me confused with someone else. In fact, I've said numerous times on this board that as long as shitheads like you keep posting here, I'm going to post, too, so I can point out that you are shitheads, because it seems to make you really sad, and that makes me laugh.

In fact, I pay to post just so I can call trolls like you "troll." Don't like it? Sorry, snowflake. This is not your safe space.

Now someone start a Part 2 on this baby so we can get back on topic.

R590 OMG PoisonedDragon and Ooze are the worst. I have yet to see a thread that they have not derailed/ruined when they post.

Please keep posting R599.

I like you. :).

[qoute] Concerned European is the new type of leftist white supremacist [...] The misogyny and antisemitism are overt but [...] Nothing encapsulates this white saviour complex better than Queers for Palestine.

r572 I also see too many of this mental type in the real life (WHITE) GAY communities/spaces/events, etc. No surprise, as well as being a zealous pro-Islamist GAY, it's, as usual, pro-tranny-cult GAY. Of course, Rowling (along with having gotten longterm rape/death threats from trannies and tranny cultists) getting death/terror threats from Islamist loons - no trivial matter - is somehow "making it all about her" to these pro-tranny GAYs.

Yeah, along with Cinesloon (already ran over here), Poisonedloon, Ooze and sever more I'm not going to mention here. This is PURE COMEDY caricature of the too many (white) gays...