I Never Knew Natalie Wood Was Such A Refreshing Slut

.....and she was a teenager at that time!

r1 just remember that when anyone wants to go back to a simpler time.... it's usually because they were a slut.

Natalie's mother groomed her to be somewhat of a courtesan to Hollywood power players. She was mama's ticket to a better life. By the mid to late '60s, Natalie was burned out and suicidal.

I had a hunch she was a slut, but I know first-hand she was a mega cunt.

Poor Natalie. Judy Garland also had a monster mother as did Lindsay Lohan who was talented before becoming a train wreck. This is just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are many others.

Paywall.

Didn't Dennis Hopper's marriage to Michelle Phillips last all of eight days?

She was a kid, OP. And Hopper and Ray were adult men

I had a therapist friend who told me “the most fucked up patients I’ve seen are women who have had terrible mothers. It’s worse than women who’ve been sexually abused by men.”

r9 every owman, every age is a victim., end women's suffrage now.

r10 they always blame the mother...

I believe it R10, because a mother is suppose to nurture and protect you, not be your exploiter.

Fuck you R11.

Sounds more like she was a slut who needed refreshing!

We're Russian, honey- prostitution is taught in kindergarten.

She was Russian, of course she was a slut.

Haven’t you seen Splendour In The Grass? She wanted Bud SO bad. (“Grass” refers to her pussy.)

We're Russian, honey- prostitution is taught in kindergarten.

Also in Eastern Europe.

r12 Oh, did mommy make you wear a dress. the horrors.

Natalie was a good soul . She was well liked and compassionate. A fun lady. These are lies . Natalie actually preferred the company of gay men . She was not a “ slut” which is just misogynistic slander for a woman who enjoys sex with men or is accommodating due to patriarchy

[quote]As I plumbed her past, Natalie Wood’s demons and their origins revealed themselves as if released from a genie’s lamp. Family violence. Alcoholic father. Pathological attachment to her Svengali stage mother. Psychological abuse as a child star. Paranoia. Phobias. Bedroom of storybook dolls she believed were alive and spoke to her. Pimped at 15 to Frank Sinatra. Forced to return an engagement ring to her high school sweetheart, who tried to kill himself afterward. Exploited as a teenager into a sexual liaison with 42-year-old director Nicholas Ray to prove that she could play a “bad” girl in Rebel Without a Cause.

With a mother like that she didn't stand a chance, R4.

[quote]A sensitive, delicate child, quick to learn and desperately eager to please, Natasha became a child actress, playing a war orphan in the 1946 film “Tomorrow Is Forever.” When she was unable to cry on cue, her mother tore a butterfly to pieces in front of her, then pushed her sobbing daughter back onto the set. Given the more American-sounding name of Natalie Wood, Natasha, incessantly coached by her mother to do as she was told, soon became known as “one-take Natalie,” one of the most cooperative and professional young actresses in Hollywood. Even after the child had acquired a team of agents, Maria continued to micromanage most aspects of her career.

R20 that is indicative of extreme abuse . Poor child ! Imagine that much responsibility and terror ?

Mommy was a monster

[quote]Paywall.

Here you go, R7:

[quote]Nicholas Ray asked Hopper to read with various actresses trying out for Judy, the female lead opposite Dean’s Jim Stark. The next day, Dennis and his roommate, Bill Dyer, also an aspiring actor from Helix, were sitting around their apartment near the Hollywood Ranch Market when the phone rang. Bill grabbed it and told Dennis that a Natalie Wood was on the line looking for him. “Oh, she’s a star—Miracle on 34th Street,” Dennis said as he raced to the phone. When he said hello, Natalie asked, “Do you remember me?” He did. “I would like to have sex with you,” she told him, adding, “I want you to know that I don’t do anything but just straight fucking.”

[quote]“I was astonished,” Dennis remembered. “I came from a very conventional, middle-class family … and this was the 1950s, when girls … just didn’t do things like that.” He was more accustomed to the ways of Diane Phillips, whom he had dated at Helix, had showered him with flowery missives, which he had saved: “I love you and I want you.”

[quote]That night, Dennis picked Natalie up and they drove to Mulholland Drive, a prime necking spot. As he remembered it, he gamely attempted to go down on her. “Oh, no, no, no you can’t do that!” Natalie said. “Why not?” “Because Nick Ray just fucked me.” It was an education.

[quote]Natalie officially got the part of Judy after she and Dennis survived a car wreck on a rainy night coming down the steep and snaking Laurel Canyon Boulevard. They’d been drinking; Dennis was behind the wheel. In that instant, Natalie had proven she wasn’t the cute girl from a Christmas movie anymore. But the love triangle between the director and his two young actors—which had begun during pre-production, conducted in Bungalow 2 of the Chateau Marmont—created acute tension on the set of Rebel Without a Cause. While they were shooting the famous “chickie run” scene, with a pair of drag racers speeding toward a cliff, Dennis confronted the 43-year-old Ray about the deplorable fact that he had seduced a much younger Natalie Wood. “Someday you are going to have to start learning how to use your head and not your fist,” Ray told him. Dennis was in his first credited film role and already found himself perceived as a troublemaker.

If true r23, Natalie was groomed by pedophiles and monster mom . Yay don’t find volatile, crazy Hopper that credible

I don’t ☝🏼

r19 yes, a set of dolls were to blame for everything, they were staring at her, talking to her... she was just born a couple generations too late.

Today, she'd be Demi Lovato.

So I guess Chris Walken and Natalie were indeed fucking the night she died.

Nope r27

I question Hopper's credibility as well, R24.

Natalie's mother was crazy.

[quote]Natalie Wood's mother came into the world somewhere in Siberia. It was most likely the town of Barnaul, as her oldest child, Olga, believed and ship's records document, though she told a different daughter and a biographer that she was born in Tomsk. They are both close to Russia's border with Mongolia, near the Altai Mountains. Maria's early years were spent in this nethermost, Russian-Asian region of the more than four and a half million square miles known as Siberia, famous for its bitterly cold winters, romanticized for its forests primeval, and considered the ends of the earth.

[quote]Maria claimed, throughout her life, to have grown up in fantastical luxury on a palatial Siberian estate with a Chinese cook, three governesses, and a “nyanka” (nanny) per child. But her most cherished belief, or delusion, was that she was related, through her mother, to the Romanovs, Russia's royal family. Her stories-whether true or not, and most who heard them questioned their veracity-”kept you spellbound,” according to a young actor who befriended Maria in the 1980s, after Natalie drowned. “She herself was quite the actress. She spoke in a very dramatic whisper, so you had to lean in, and pay close attention. She used her hands as she would describe in great detail her genealogy from Russia. She would whisper, ‘We were descended from royalty . . .' and you would just hang on every word.”

R11, she wasn't a grown woman, she was a girl. You seem like a weirdo

I've always felt everyone on DL is a slut. If not in actuality due to being hit with the DNA ugly stick then in heart, mind and soul. Here I would hardly consider it a pejorative term.

Women consider it a pejorative term, since it is exclusively used as an insult to them.

You are on DL honey. Not in a bible study group. Here it is a badge of honor whether you're a male or female.

I was super slutty in my twenties and I’m glad now that I’m 50. It bothers me not in the least that probably me don’t look at me any more. I’ve had my fun.

“People don’t look at me any more”

r30 Girls can do anything unless it requires personal accountability because then she lacks personal agency.

People underestimate how hot Dennis Hopper was when he was younger. I only knew him from Speed and Blue Velvet for most of my life. However, during the early days of the pandemic I binged a bunch of classic movies, and I was floored when I found out the hot blonde guy in Rebel Without a Cause and Giant was Dennis Hopper!

Dennis is not approachable

Dang, r37! He looks like a Roman statue in the face!!

Natalie packed a lot of dick within her 43 years.

Frank Sinatra also fucked her when she was underage.

I haven’t read the updated finstad book but I remember natalies boyfriend and I think the boy she lost her virginity to said that natalies mother told her that if she had sex that she would break in two or get crushed when a boy got on top of her, so the psychological games started early. Did finstad finally out Kirk Douglas as being natalies rapist?

Hopper claimed to have a close relationship with James dean and even wrote a forward to one of his biographies and refuting that dean was gay. Other biographies say that dean didn’t interact with hopper and hopper over exaggerates about his time around dean.

She adored her dad but hated her mother and though she provided for her in her will Wagner kicked Maria out of the condo Natalie bought for her parents and moved his daughter Katie into it.

I think the only relative she could depend on was her older half sister Olga who had a life of her own and didn’t ask anything of her.

I think lana is truthful but she whitewashes some of the shitty things she did including running up charge account at a number of stores in Beverly Hills and not telling Natalie. Natasha and Courtney said she showed up not long after their mother’s death with clothes racks and a moving van to take natalies clothes when she found out natalies had left them to her. Wagner ended up buying back some of the more sentimental pieces for the girls.

R41, If Natalie left her clothing to Lana in her will, which she did, what's wrong with Lana taking possession?

Wagner asked to keep Natalie's ski clothing for her daughters and Natalie's furs, for which Wagner wrote Lana a check.

Lana ended up selling most of the clothing through consignment stores, which sounds tacky, but even Jackie O did the same thing with her used clothing.

R40, fucked? Don't you mean abused? We're talking about a kid and a guy over 20 years her senior

R42 timing is everything. Lana did it right after Natalie’s funeral. She showed up to the house unannounced and starting raiding the closets and loading up Natalie”s clothes while both girls were home.

Wagner bought back the Blackglama mink that Natalie modeled for their campaign in 1980. I think he gave Lana $10k for it.

Agreed, R43. R40 makes it sound casual sex between two consenting adults.

From the link at R19:

[quote]Two years after I published Natasha: The Biography of Natalie Wood, Frank Sinatra’s right-hand man of 15 years, George Jacobs, wrote the memoir Mr. S: My Life with Frank Sinatra. Jacobs, who worked for Sinatra from 1953 to 1968, was a silent accomplice to his boss’s sexual assignations. “One affair that, unlike the others, was conducted in top secret was with Natalie Wood,” Jacobs wrote in 2003, “because she was a minor at the time, either 15 or 16, though she didn’t act like it.” According to Jacobs, “Sinatra adored this tiny beauty, but he didn’t want to go the way of Charlie Chaplin or Errol Flynn or, later, Roman Polanski.” Jacobs says he mixed the drinks when Natalie’s “insanely ambitious Russian mother” brought her to Sinatra’s apartment for a cocktail in 1954 and “pushed her on Frank, who needed no pushing.” Sinatra told Jacobs that he had been “taken by” Natalie since Miracle on 34th Street, a film she made when she was eight. Sinatra’s procurer, Natalie’s mother, Maria Gurdin, “had her kid all dolled up,” recalls Jacobs, “total jailbait, in a form-fitting black party dress, and Mr. S went for it in a big way.”

[quote]Sinatra’s MO with Natalie was like a playbook for aspiring Humbert Humberts. “Nothing dirty-old-mannish,” his valet boasts, “he was never like that. He played them cuts from his upcoming album, provided career suggestions.” That was the quid pro quo for Gurdin. After cocktails Sinatra arranged for Natalie to return regularly—alone—for “singing lessons.” “Mr. S would send me away when she was there,” says Jacobs. “ ‘I don’t want you to testify,’ he joked. He wanted to be ‘in Like Flynn,’ but he didn’t want to be ruined for it.”

[quote]Jacobs observed what I also found. “Mr. S truly cherished her, and whatever went on in private, he was also a father to her more than her own father, very protective.” The 38-year-old Sinatra’s “seduction” of 15-year-old Natalie, tragically, would have been both child molestation and statutory rape. Actor Scott Marlowe told me he had observed signs that she’d been molested. “How do I say this delicately?” he asked. “She was very, very experienced for a very young girl. She knew too much. More than a kid that age should know. She just knew about all the male body parts. And about what to do, how to please, or how to get herself…loved. She knew all those little things. And it was very sad.”

R44, Not to belabor this, but Lana had called ahead and Wagner was at the house while Lana was taking possession of the clothing. He asked for and received all of Natalie's furs, paying Lana by check.

Lana also had a number of Natalie's stuffed animals that she had collected for years. I know this because a friend of mine purchased several from Lana after Natalie's death.

Another friend of mine tried to purchase Natalie's Mercedes from her estate, but even though his request was denied, the lawyer he contacted was willing to sell my friend just the steering wheel.

R18 = David Ehrenstein