TCM's Summer Under The Stars

Vivien Leigh and Jack Carson.

Who the hell is Gilbert Roland?

I dread this almost as much as 31 days of Oscar …

They play the same fucking movies every year.

Where’s the month dedicated to jaded elder gays who’ve seen it all?

#TCMsowhite

Gilbert Roland had a kind of A Stor Is Born relationship with Greta Garbo.

Shelley Winters was always interesting, and she made a LOT of movies. So she’s the performer I’d be most interested in revisiting.

What's the film for Gene Kelly

Gilbert Roland was a dashing matinee idol of the silent era. He is good in a small role in the Willie Nelson western "Barbarosa," which was his last movie (1982).

Roland, Schmoland…

Toshiro Mifune

Zzzzzzzzzz....except for Shelley Winters and Sidney Poitier.

My dream lineup would be

Robert Young

Robert Mitchum

Marjorie Main

John McIntire

Barbara Stanwyck

Eddie Albert

Norma Shearer

Myrna Loy

Henry Fonda

Richard Widmark

Clifton Webb

Alec McCowen

James Edwards

Eddie Cantor

Ida Lupino

Charlie Ruggles

Danny Glover

Olivia DeHavilland

Donald Sutherland

Sissy Spacek

Ward Bond

Sally Field

Walter Matthau

Gene Hackman

Andy Griffith

Henry Hull

Scott Glenn

Roscoe Lee Browne

Scott Wilson

Rosalind Russell

Michael Moriarty

William Powell

R8, Yowza, he's hot!

R5, wasn't that John Gilbert? I often confuse those two, though.

I love Jean Arthur. Never heard of Jack Carson.

Garbo and Roland had an affair in the 40s, long after she and John Gilbert split.

Jack Carson has long been a Datalounge god. Big working class type lug, always dependable in Warner Bros. character roles like Wally in MILDRED PIERCE.

Personally, I doubt that Roland and Garbo ever had an affair but, in any case, it would have been John Gilbert with whom she had a (sort of) Star Is Born type relationship when her career far outdistanced his and she had to demand LB Mayer cast him in one of her first talkies QUEEN CHRISTINA, long past his sell-by date.

But Gilbert Roland was sexy as hell well into his later years. .

Garbo and Roland's love letters survived.

ahem.

Gilbert Roland was a really good actor, and I'm guessing you're too young to remember him on McHale's Navy, which is where I first saw him, as a kid.

[quote]R11 My dream lineup would be: ….Norma Shearer…

THAT cross eyed whore!

R20 I concur.

R11 - you have good taste

Here's something rarely if ever screened that I've never seen

1962s The Chapmen Report

Rarely screened and never seen by me

Here's the schedule which includes Night Watch (1973) reuniting BUtterfield 8 costars Lawrence Harvey and Elizabeth Taylor

The Night of the Hunter (1955) and Lolita (1962) are two Shelley Winter's best films and they're also showing 2 of her rarely screened films 1973s Blume in Love and The Chapman Report (1962)

The Chapman Report was directed by George Cukor. Maybe what I enjoyed most was the mid-60s LA scenery and atmosphere. But it was compromised somehow and I think Cukor disowned it (?). Anyhow, trashy and unreal, but sort of worth seeing once.

[quote]Luis Antonio Dámaso de Alonso (December 11, 1905 – May 15, 1994), known professionally as Gilbert Roland, was a Mexican-born American film and television actor whose career spanned seven decades from the 1920s until the 1980s. He was twice nominated for the Golden Globe Award in 1952 and 1964, and inducted into the Hollywood Walk of Fame in 1960.

He was married to Constance Bennett.

Hello, papi!

Gilbert Roland is a very interior decorator name.

I would like to see Bill Holden to his dick and slowly go up and down

R28 Director George Cukor with one of the stars of The Chapman Report Glynis Johns on The Dick Cavett Show

Looking through all those photos of Gilbert Roland at r32, there's almost 400, one sees the macho animal sexuality, probably too much heat for a leading man in the 1930s and 40s, better suited to the Latin Lover villain. But I did notice in many of the younger photos, without his mustache, he seemed to look much less Mexican or ethnic. I wonder if he was originally pitched as a more standard leading man and given the name Gilbert Roland to disguise his origins?

My fondest memory of him was in a 1950s movie called 20.000 Miles Beneath the Reef (or something like that) in which he played a hot Greek daddy to Robert Wagner (with a perm!), as pearl diving fishermen.

William Holden makes Mama's mussy moist!

^^^You need to apply Lume to your asshole.

Jean Arthur and Raquel Welch

^ for Raquel they're not showing the most interesting and bizarre film she was ever in 1969s Myra Breckenridge. Nor is the film that made her famous One Million Years BC (1966) being screened and ditto Bedazzled (1967) and The Fantastic Voyage (1966)

Glynis John’s was a big time alcoholic. She seems a bit combative in the interview at r34

(she comes on at the 22:00 mark)

"24 Hours of Ruth Roman" begins this Thursday, August 4th.

6:00 a.m. 8/04--->6:00 a.m. 8/05!

Including the tremendous "Strangers on a Train," 8:00 p.m.

After her, the featured actor is Orson Welles.

Saturday begins Audrey Hepburn.

I'd like to see Jacqueline Bisset.

But then again, I'm a lesbian.

I sure hope on Ruth Roman Day they show that film with Hugh O'Brian in his bright yellow speedo.

It's too bad they don't show REAL rarities, like the six Spencer Tracy 1930s movies that have never been on TV before (or available outside an archive). But I bet you they're showing "Pat and Mike" and some of his war films that they've already shown 100 times before!

R39, they are showing One Million Years BC at 8pm on Raquel Welch day.

R41 Glynis Johns is still alive and will turn 100 next year. She is the oldest surviving actor to have been Oscar nominated (The Sundowners 1960) and the oldest surviving Batman (1966) 'guest starring' villain

I wish they'd include Jean Arthur's best film, Easy Living, but I am excited for some of her other films showing tomorrow.

R40 see R46 ^ regarding Glynis Johns

If they're going to show Take Me Out to the Ball Game for Gene Kelly, why not It's Always Fair Weather? (Free answer, I guess - it's shockingly depressing.)

R45 thanks I obviously overlooked it

I wish they would show Gran Bollito featuring Shelley Winters as a cannibalistic Italian housewife and her friends all played by drag queens.

How about Geraldine Page?

Interiors, The Pope of Greenwich Village, Sweet Bied of Youth, Dear Heart, Summer and Smoke, You're a Big Boy Now, The Beguiled, Whatever Happened to Aunt Alice, The Trip to Bountiful, Pete 'n' Tillie, Nasty Habits

[quote]They play the same fucking movies every year.

Agreed; I appreciate TCM for the effort they put it in to it, but they need to add more movies to their rotation - or do something - they're rehashing the same thing, same movies month after month

R50 I remember seeing One Million Years BC as a kid and getting turned on by all the sexy cavemen in their fur loincloths.

I love Jack Carson. He was so sexy, especially in Mildred Pierce.

[quote]I wonder if he was originally pitched as a more standard leading man and given the name Gilbert Roland to disguise his origins?

He chose his own screen name, combining the names of two silkent screen stars, John Gilbert and Ruth Roland, who were his favorites. Since it was the era of Latin Lovers in films, I don't think he was trying to disguise his origins. My favorite performances of his are in We Were Strangers, with Jennifer Jones and John Garfield (about the 1933 Cuban Revolution), The Bad And The Beautiful (where he playes Gaucho, a 1930s movie star and ladies' man), and Thunder Bay w/ James Stewart.

Lee Harvey Oswald's wife later said he was "greatly excited" watching We Were Strangers on TV (wioth its theme of presidential assasination) a few weeks before the assasination of JFK.

I actually like Summer Under The Stars. It gives me a change to DVR a lot of classic films, even if I've seen some of them already. I don't get TCM for the films of Ana DuVernay.

r49 They just showed it a few days ago. Not that that's always an issue for TCM, which brings us to ...

R53 It costs money for them to show movies they don't own the rights to. That's why you see endless repeats of stuff from Warner Bros., MGM, United Artists, and RKO.

[quote]Which one are you most excited to see?

I'm at a loss.

R43 and what about The Baby (1972)? with Ruth as Mommie Dearest

[quote]R56 He chose his own screen name, combining the names of two silkent screen stars

I want to be a silkent screen star!

They're airing QUEEN BEE for the Widow Steele.

R43 This is for Hugh

Isn’t it correctly titled [italic]Love Has Many Facelifts?

The only Raquel Welch movie I'll check out is The Wild Party, where she's supposed to be quite good (a rarity for her), though I gather the film itself is mediocre.

Now *that's* fodder for a Broadway musical, r51!

Jack & Joan, r65...

I hadn't realized Paul Barresi was an extra in it, r65...

Ruth Gordon day

Ann Ramsay day

Why is failed sexpot and DL icon Carroll Baker shunned?

Write your Senator!

She looks like Peggy Lee

Aug 9 Holden it, Stroken it, Presenten 🎁

The only resemblance to Peggy Lee. r71, is her misplaced beauty mark and Korea Town wig.

R70 First saw Baker in the Carpetbaggers (1964)

And here's Edith head's $1,000,000 wardrobe for Love Has Many Faces

Lana and LSD in The Big Cube (1969)

We could have owned Baker’s CARPETBAGGERS loungewear : ( Goddamn it! And I have a cheap Korea Town wig, too.

Interestingly, description notes: [italic] Design by Edith Head, believed to be a Travis Banton costume pulled from Paramount stock. [/italic]

I wonder what clues would be for that supposition.

I suppose you could put together a list for Carroll Baker but it would have to be almost all films prior to her slew of Italian crap.

BABY DOLL, THE BIG COUNTRY, BRIDGE TO THE SUN, SOMETHING WILD, CHEYENNE AUTUMN, MISTER MOSES.

Once she became largely a solid supporting performer later on, her one truly fine performance was in IRONWEED.

THE CARPETBAGGERS (trashy fun, but still bad) and the awful HARLOW can be skipped.

Baker is good in "Andy Warhol's" Bad (1977) and Fosse's Star 80 (1983) and looks good in 1968s Il dolce corpo di Deborah

She kind of made a mess of her career, having been offered Cat on a Hot Tin Roof and The Three Faces of Eve.

She lost those because she pissed off Warner Bros. by turning down Too Much, Too Soon.

It illustrates how in Hollywood, you really have to strike while the iron is hot.

It wouldn't be complete without Bad, r78.

One of Scorsese's 'guilty pleasures' directed by Seth Holt (The Nanny) and starring Baker

^^ I’ve never seen that, or Miss Baker’s Wardrobe By Pierre Balmain.

I’ve also never seen BUT NOT FOR ME (2959) which can’t be good or it would be discussed more. It was her limp, ill advised follow up to BABY DOLL.

Love, love, love Jack Carson.

R61 I'm sure you don't have far to go, dear.

R83 I thought But NOt For Me was pretty good. Of course I've never seen the 2959 version, though.

None..Comcast in their infinite wisdom packaged TCM with additional sports channel for an additional fee. TCM was part of my Basic and Expanded coverage. I certainly am not going to pay for even more additional channels that I never watch or have absolutely no interest in watching.

I pay for the sports package to get TCM. It's $9.99. I guess it's available for free from Verizon but not in hi def.

I suppose you could put together a list for Carroll Baker but it would have to be almost all films prior to her slew of Italian crap. BABY DOLL, THE BIG COUNTRY, BRIDGE TO THE SUN, SOMETHING WILD, CHEYENNE AUTUMN, MISTER MOSES.

Giant, How The West Was Won, The Carpetbaggers...

Although I've seen it many times, I never miss Roman Holiday when it's on. Gregory Peck was perfect looking in that and Audrey was endearing.

r80, that long 1995 TCM interview with Carroll Baker was wonderful, thanks for posting it! Never much of a fan of hers but I thought she came across as very bright and intelligent, very sincere, thoughtful and sweet. I'll look forward to seeing her in some of her films I haven't seen before.

[quote]I hadn't realized Paul Barresi was an extra in it, [R65]...

I could've told you.

Even though Carroll Baker was "introduced" in Giant (1956), she was actually in an earlier movie in a smallish part, Easy To Love (1952), an Esther Williams MGM musical.

R65 ⬇️read it at your leisure. The author refers to it as a poor man's Day of the Locust but does indicate that Welch gives a strong performance possibly the best of her career and that it's James Coco only leading role. Directed by James Ivory

[quote]r92 Even though Carroll Baker was "introduced" in Giant (1956), she was actually in an earlier movie in a smallish part, Easy To Love (1952), an Esther Williams MGM musical.

Yes. True! Her rapist/first husband arranged for it through business contacts. She was ashamed of the arrangement and supposedly never put it on her resume.

R90 Here's a more recent interview with Baker

Yikes! She aged sooooooooo much in 20 years. Though it appears there could have been some grave health issues.

R96 Physically yes, but she sounds fine.

They seem to be having trouble getting stars for their cruise. Richard Dreyfuss ok interesting.

but then Lanie Kazan? and Bob Mackie?

Sorry if this is off topic, but does anyone know what Robert Osborne's illness was? What he died of, or what he was out sick with, those times? Not trying to be crude, but I really liked him and would like to know. Surprised no one has any info on this.

All I know r99 is Diane Baker his good friend said at the memorial at the TCM Film festival that he went out on his own terms. I'm guessing some sort of cancer that he decided to not have another operation or treatment for...from Baker's comment it wasn't something sudden. It was something he had time to ponder.

and speaking of Robert Osborne's good friend Diane Baker R100 why not a day dedicated to her?

THE BEST OF EVERYTHING, THE CABLE GUY, STIGMA, STRAIT-JACKET, THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK, MARNIE, MIRAGE, THE PRIZE, 300 SPARTANS, THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, THE NET, KRAKATOA EAST OF JAVA, NINE HOURS RAMA . . .

Nasty pussy don’t mean a thing to me

Nasty

Today, 8/06, is Audrey Hepburn Day.

Getting ready to watch "Wait Until Dark" at 6:00 a.m.! That moment she realizes it's the phone box outside....

I don't understand why TCM always overlooks Helen Lawson.

In 2019 or 2020, TCM did do a summer under the stars for Carroll Baker. No Carpetbaggers or Harlow, but they include Sylvia, her third Joseph E Levine produced trash film in the programming for that day.

Back in 2019 Film Forum did a screening of Station Six Sahara, and Ms. Baker came up afterwards to do an interview with Foster Hirsh. She's hard of hearing and certainly not physically spry but still pretty mentally sharp.

A Diane Baker day would be a good idea.

Diane Baker went on a couple of those cruises because she was a good friend of Robert Osborne, going back to their days as young actors.

Thanks, R100. I wonder why it was kept such a secret, though? Actually I'm amazed famous people are able to be that secretive and the cause of their illness never leaks. No, it was not sudden since that period when they had guest hosts on TCM went on and on. And there was also a time before that. So I assume he was recovering from a major operation.

Anyway, no intention of derailing the post. I just watched a few of the features on Ruth Roman day. I'm interested in her because years ago I was unpacking something old with my mom, and it was wrapped in a Boston newspaper from the 50s, that had a full-body photo of RR from the "new" movie, Invitation (1952?)...it said she was a Boston native so I became a little interested in her. There was also something on Barbara Ruick, who had a small part in the film (which I watched last night - pretty good movie).

I’m enjoying Audrey Hepburn day today. Woke up with The Children’s Hour then spent the afternoon with Unforgiven which I’d never seen and Two For The Road. Looking forward to Roman Holiday tonite but will be asleep by the time Nuns Story comes on at 3am. Lovely way to spend a muggy day indoors. Thanks TCM!

Get up off of your ass r107.

[quote]and speaking of Robert Osborne's good friend Diane Baker [R100] why not a day dedicated to her?

We had some lively threads about Diane Baker ...

[quote]We had some lively threads about Diane Baker

Hopefully livelier than Diane Baker.

R109 The blog page no longer exists at the link.

R107 Two for the Road was an odd movie. Not quite sure I liked it.

I'm seeing "A Place in the Sun" at a local theater on Sept. 11th. I can't wait to see Montgomery Clift's beauty on the big screen!

R113 Elizabeth was kinda considered a beauty as well.

That's what TCM needs---Monty Clift Day!

Get on it, TCM!

R115 Looks like they did, in 2016. Hope they do it again.

Charade was a great non-Hitchcock Hitchcock film. Audrey always got paired with old farts. The worst pairing was Gary Cooper who looked older than God. Grant was probably just as old, but the two had a lot more chemistry (and energy), which made the movie fun.

I think it's because there weren't that many actors her age who were as classy as she was, or as good/charismatic as the older ones. I guess she *could* have been paired with Rock Hudson, Marlon Brando, Tab Hunter, Tony Curtis, Elvis Presley, James Dean, Jerry Lewis or Robert Wagner.

In the 50s, a lot of the most popular male stars at the box office were older. Jimmy Stewart , Bogart, John Wayne. Audrey was paired with Fred Astaire, Gary Cooper, Humphrey Bogart, Henry Fonda and other older stars but sometimes Tony Perkins, and Albert Finney, or slightly older (but not old) stars like William Holden and Gregory Peck.

Ah, r116. Thank you.

I know many regard "A Place in the Sun" as his finest acting, but for me it is the gold-digger Morris in "The Heiress."

R119 For me it's Pruitt in From Here To Eternity. But also A Place In The Sun and a lot of others - Red River, for ex. I love Monty Clift.

R5 you mean John Gilbert!

R121 Yeah - but it does seem Gilbert Roland also had a relationship w/Garbo, albeit not of the A Star Is Born variety.

[quote] Garbo and Roland had an affair in the 40s

R15 lol, now you are just making shit up, that's really pathetic, if you don't know anything, you can always research first, starting from IMDB or Wikipedia...and Garbo has tons of biography blogs detailing her private relationships with... women, not men!

R123 You could Google it, moron. When Gilbert Roland died, there were love letters he kept, from Garbo, and a pair of her monogrammed panties, which he carried with him during the war. They had an affair during WWII. Garbo's heirs say it's all authentic.

R124 why don't you post your link? And I wonder when and under what influence Garbo's niece became so "gossip", went as far as to confirm a pair of panties...

R125 Because I was looking at the link the day the thread was posted, not now. But okay...

Christie's auctioning a letter from Garbo to Roland.

I had never seen Roman Holiday until I watched it on TCM yesterday.

Oh, my gosh, I didn't expect such a bittersweet ending!

R128 Eddie Albert was pretty hot in it, too.

R129 I prefer Greg.