Grace Kelly was so lovely and charming in “Rear Window” (1954)

Ugh. She was her generation's Gwyneth Paltrow.

She was so beautiful!!! My goodness. Those outfits also!

I LOVED this look.

[quote] "Those outfits also! I LOVED this look."

You're welcome.

R3 yes, but they look amazing ON HER! Not everyone pulls off that look the way she did. Then again, Grace Kelly wore the clothes, the clothes didn’t wear her. She was like a gorgeous model.

To Catch a Thief is entertaining, OP.

It is fun, R5, though the real chemistry is between Grant and Jessie Royce Landis.

^ That’s Cary Grant.

She was notorious for fucking all her leading men. The only one who kept her at a distance was devoted Christian Jimmy Stewart.

I love her in Rear Window too. I love that she looks so feminine in those New Look dresses, and yet her character is up for anything.

Hitchcock always brought out the best in her as an actress, but she's annoying in The Country Girl and High Society. It was weird that like Audrey Hepburn she was always romantically paired in her films with men who were much too old for her: Bing Crosby, Gary Cooper, Bob Cummings, Jimmy Stewart, etc.

To Catch a Thief is entertaining and an excellent tourist promotion for Monaco.

But 30 minutes need to be trimmed from it because Kelly is as plastic as Hedren and Kidman.

I think Lisa is up for anything to prove herself to Jeff, r9. We see him telling her that she’s too uppity for a guy like him early in the film. She could never keep up with his lifestyle and work, which requires not sleeping much, not bathing much etc.

However, I don’t think she’s forcing it, she’s actually up for anything, but just making sure he sees that.

[quote] "She was like a gorgeous model."

Part of her start was working as a print model in NYC, R4. So, she that applies.

Except that Grace was really pretty, r1. Gwynnie has a wide, thin mouth and her father’s unfortunate jawline.

R12 = Lizsha

Found the scene r9. I think this is why she then shows him she can get down too.

That she should be attracted to Jimmy Stewart requires a serious suspension of disbelief…

[quote] a serious suspension of disbelief…

Yes, I wouldn't believe it even if they were the same age.

[quote] " So, she that applies."

*So that applies

I never found him an attractive leading man, and he was a one-note actor to boot.

Oh please. Jimmy was handsome while younger. And he was a phenomenal actor.

Neither of them were sexy. She was beautiful, yes, though.

[quote] he was a one-note actor

He had NO thespian skills. He never played an interesting character.

He knew how to stand in front of a camera. His voice had that slightly-annoying Jordan Peterson twang.

Notorious whore. Arranged it so that the guy she wanted to get rid of found her in bed with a new guy. Her entire life was an acting job. All around cunt.

I don't really care for him otherwise, but there was something sexy about Jimmy Stewart in Rear Window.

The makeup artist for “To Catch a Thief” said she had the most utterly amazing skin. He claimed to use very little makeup on her, and no foundation whatsoever.

My favorite Hitchcock film and she was indeed lovely in it.

I got the shit end of the stick.

Q for dear Midge:

What kind of sticks… get shit on them?

"Oh hi...I was just warming some brandy." One of my favorite movie lines to throw out.

Why was a wealthy, 20 year old trust finder, with fancy friends going after that old man? They should have cast a hottie her age because it didn’t have to be some Middle aged dad type. Or the woman should have been older. That would have explained why she desperately kept coming around and gave up the pussy. Grace had no reason to be desperate.

Grace Kelly was so affected and cold in "Rear Window" (1954).

There, fixted, for enhanced accuracy.

She certainly was beautiful. Her affected manner and faux accent bothers me. Hers is NOT a Philly accent of any kind.

1940 was the year of gifted Oscars for the leading categories. Jimmy Stewart and Ginger “Whiskers” Rogers.

Jimmy is one of the most respectable actors ever. Keep hating. He was a good egg, too.

Many young women dated/married older men back then. That was the norm. It was more common for a man to be 10-20 years older than his bride than it was for him to be the same age.

This isn’t unknown so I don’t know why DL acts like this all the time.

She looked like our mother,or our mother looked like her.

James Stewart always looked like it would smell bad when he took his pants off.

Jimmy was a bigot on the level of John Wayne.

[quote]He claimed to use very little makeup on her, and no foundation whatsoever.

HE LIED

Grace Kelly = terrible voice, affected accent

I love that she was so lovely and charming AND a great fuck... The girl had it all.

Didn’t most actors have an affected voice and/or accent back then?

Jimmy had beautiful eyes

A few R42, but almost none as affected as hers.

Jimmy had beady redneck eyes.

Awww, OP, I LOVE [italic]The Country Girl,[/italic] and everyone in it. Bing Crosby played sad-sack, hail fellow well met passive-aggressive to perfection. I have had people in my life just like him, and my natural reaction always is to turtle up, just like Kelly does here. At some point it is irrelevant what kind of trauma you've experienced; don't be a dick and make it anyone else's cross to bear.

But to your actual point, OP, I too absolutely love Grace in Rear Window.

She's never impressed me in her other films.

I like her Hitchcock stuff only. He knew how to use her in film.

I wonder if they did the deed.

Her father was always a real jerk to her. He would never praise her for anything. Even an Oscar. He was all about the son and sports. I think she thought marrying a wealthy Prince would finally impress him. But it didn't. Nothing would. I also think she regretted marrying Prince Rainer but she was stuck.

James Stewart told Hitchcock, when she was cast, that she was too sexy for him. Supposedly, Hitchcock answered it was cool sexy. He liked that in his leading ladies.

Not Joan Fontaine r48. Her roles in his films were both passive and mousy. Although she did possess that patrician beauty he preferred his leading ladies to have.

[quote] Why was a wealthy, 20 year old trust finder, with fancy friends going after that old man? They should have cast a hottie her age because it didn’t have to be some Middle aged dad type.

As mentioned above, she was always put with much older leading men in almost all her films, much like Audrey Hepburn was. That was just the idea for young pretty serious leading ladies in the early 50s.

[quote]I also think she regretted marrying Prince Rainer but she was stuck.

It was a pretty unhappy marriage. He cheated on her constantly, even from the very early days of the marriage, and he and the court would not let her return to acting (she really wanted to do "Marnie," which was specially written to be her comeback vehicle) because they said it was unseemly for a princess of the Catholic church to be acting. (They had ridiculously outdated nineteenth-century ideas about propriety.) She lived apart from him in Paris for years with the children because she was so miserable, and by many accounts became an alcoholic by the end of her life.

Rainier sobbed and sobbed openly at her funeral, just like Nixon did at Pat's funeral. The guilt must have been very hard to bear.

No way Grace would go for a guy with mini manboobs.

Most young beautiful women went for older men back then.

Kelly reminds me of Cybill Shepherd much more than Gwyneth Paltrow.

Gwyneth isn’t worthy of wearing Grace’s week old maxipads…

She was engaged to Prince Rainier during the filming of High Society and next time you watch it, check out the rock on her finger near the end of the movie.

I always assumed she won that Oscar in early 1955 because she had such a massive year in 1954, similar to J Law when she won. I feel like sometimes when an actor breaks out and they have a big year in films (and they’re successful) and a performance from one of those films gets them an Oscar nod, they sometimes get the Oscar just for that big year as a whole.

1953 she had her breakout role in films with the supporting role in Mogambo. 1954 she starred in 5 films, with 3 of those being iconic classic films (Dial M for Murder, Rear Window and The Country Girl). She also starred in Green Fire (replacing Ava Gardner) and The Bridges at Toko-Ri. All of them were hits.

[quote]Many young women dated/married older men back then. That was the norm.

Absolutely NOT. R35, I think you're a 25 year old who knows nothing about real life except what you've seen in old movies.

R57 you’re out of touch. It was very common for women to marry older men back then

I like the creepy/cozy mis-en-scene. Such atmosphere. It's a film noir in color. I love that Lisa shows up looking so PERFECT, like a jewel, in that that loach apartment with its perverse activities. When I was young I ran with beautiful monied people and I loved women who were turned out perfectly, had good manners, but could be fun no matter the setting. Chic. Lisa is an example of American chic.

I watched it last night. It is a masterpiece. The whole scene when we see Grace Kelly for the first time and she moves in to kiss Stewart is stunning with its lighting.

There are many interesting choices Hitchcock made, like the shadow slowly moving toward Jimmy as he’s asleep (a common horror trope) only for him to open his eyes and it’s a beautiful woman (Grace Kelly). The angle the camera catches her is almost as if she’s looking into our eyes, showing is Jeff’s POV.

It’s a good movie.

R60 watching YT clips isn’t watching the movie.

[quote]Her father was always a real jerk to her. He would never praise her for anything. Even an Oscar. He was all about the son and sports. I think she thought marrying a wealthy Prince would finally impress him. But it didn't. Nothing would. I also think she regretted marrying Prince Rainer but she was stuck.

R48 Oh, boo-hoo.

R57You might be on to something there.

Both the New York film Critics Circle and the National Board of Review voted Kelly as Best Actress and cited three films: Rear Window Dial M for Murder in The Country Girl.

In the NYFCC she garnered more votes than Eva Marie Saint (On the Waterfront), Judy Garland (A Star is Born), Audrey Hepburn (Sabrina) and June Allyson (The Glen Miller Story)

[quote] her Oscar winning performance (what a fucking joke) in The Country Girl.

You know what? Fuck you! [italic]I put on glasses!

R58, but not with moobs.

She wasn't an actor, she was a movie star! Seriously, she wasn't much of an actress. She was a fabulous screen presence and a good director could use her as an object of desire, but she couldn't actually *act*.

IMHO she was wise to leave Hollywood she did, because when her looks faded from utter perfection to merely gorgeous, her lack of skill and versatility would have meant a sharp career decline. Hollywood was even more ageist now that it was then, after 30 she'd have been stuck playing supportive wives, then society matrons, no more heroines! So yeah, she was smart to leave on top, and find another gig.

1100 dollars! It's not even lethah!

[quote]r67 She wasn't an actor, she was a movie star!

Well, she did appear in Strindberg on Broadway before coming to Hollywood. That sounds like an actress to me.

Hitchcock wanted her for the part of Marnie in 1963

R67 Hitchcock wanted her for Marnie in 1963 the part that eventually went to Tippi Hedren

She was a godawful actress. Rich girl who parlayed her way into a career through cocksucking and dull blonde beauty. I don't understand (outside of the fetish Hitchcock obviously had for her) why she's still resonating today.

Was she the one who masturbated on top of a cake at a party?

R72 because she’s had that “IT” factor. No one ever says she was an amazing actress. What she was was a superstar, with a star presence and large screen presence.

Jimmy Stewart was a very good actor. Certainly miles better than living mannequin Grace Kelly. I don't get the hate for him on here - equally apt at comedy and drama and very cute when young. I think the hardcore bigot stuff was misinformation that people started spreading around, he became very right wing after his son was killed in Vietnam, but that was when he was sozzled and old.

R72 Because she died young, pretty and famous at age 52 in a tragic car accident

James Stewart was James Stewart, R75. I'm not saying Grace Kelly was better, she couldn't even play herself.

[quote]I don't understand (outside of the fetish Hitchcock obviously had for her) why she's still resonating today.

Because she's dead and HOW she died. She was far from young and pretty in 1982, R76. Few under 30 knew who she was when she died.

R77 that’s not true. Princess Grace was a pop icon in the 60s-80s. She was revered

Trim your own, R10. I like the whole thing.

She grew very FAT in the face in the 70s. She was a hairdresser's nightmare.

Darling R78, were you an adult when she died? I had to explain who Grace Kelly was to many my own age (26) and older in 1982. Her movies were not known to young people, and fascination of that Princess Grace crap was for people my parent's age. In 1983 the Hitchcock movies were re-released, and perhaps then some under 30s took notice.

R30, you are completely missing the culture of the 50s.

R77 R81 I was14 when she died and a friend of mine actually called me to tell me the news. People were very much aware of who she was. She was famous for being Princess and from films like Rear Window and Dial M for Murder both of which I saw on television. her death was big news especially because it was so unexpected. I was also aware of 50s icons Jackie Gleason and Lucille Ball were. The reruns of I Love Lucy and The Honeymooners were shown everyday on TV.

(^.^) make that 16 in 1982.

R83 exactly. People knew who she was. That other poster must have been living under a rock.

I think I know who it is. Let me check.

The same nasty bitter old codgers on DL who shame super hot young men for being sluts of course shame beautiful Grace Kelly for being a slutty and successful great beauty.

[quote] Her movies were not known to young people,

But she only made four of them.

She was in 11 films

"Jimmy Stewart was a very good actor. "

Yes he was, but not good enough to make the relationship in "Rear Window" believable. I've written novellas about how the relationship between Stewart and Novak is believable in "Vertigo", the short version is because they're both desperately fucked-up and meet each others unhealthy needs. But in "Rear Window" Grace Kelly is out of Stewart's league in every possible way, in physical attractiveness, social standing, charm, and even being a nice likable person, but he treats her like shit! He tells her she isn't good enough for his homely old broken-down ass! A girl with her looks, status, guts, and brains would know better than to wilt, if she still wanted him after he was such a jerk, she'd flounce out and make damn well she got her pictures in his favorite newspapers, with every rich young bachelor in town.

The twisted love story in "Vertigo" is weirdly believable, fucked-up people do get together, but the love story in "Rear Window" is just Hitchcock's jerkoff fantasy. Yeah, an unattractive man can dream of humbling a beautiful woman and making her prove herself, but that's now how real life works.

R73, that was Marie Dressler.

And Jimmy Stewart was a one note actor and a bigot. Ask HAL Williams. Google Jimmy’s name with HAL Williams’ and Woody Strode. His stepson’s death didn’t send him over the edge - he was already there…

I support sluts and beautiful women succeeding at acting if they can actually act. I'm a big Vivien Leigh fan.

R91 Ok I take your point.

Grace succeeded at life, celebrity and business. She was a movies star. A world celebrity. And she was central to turning around the fortunes of Monaco just by adding the necessary glamour.

R93 exactly. Some people can’t understand that there are movie stars and there are actors. Some are both but others are separate.

Kelly had a wide face, like this one——.

"I support sluts and beautiful women succeeding at acting if they can actually act."

Grace's sluttery was the most interesting thing about her. When I was young I thought she was as dull as her acting, but I changed my mind about that when I found out how much she... enjoyed her youth.

Hitchcock said "Our Gracie, she fucks everyone".

She was young and beautiful. She had her pick of almost any man she wanted, and she took advantage of that.

I abhor people of your generation making up muck about the goddesses of former days

"To a mere child, anything over 20 might seem old."

I love that beat up old pontoon for the Carlton Hotel. That would NEVER pass Muster today.

[quote]People were very much aware of who she was.

Yeah, people born in 1933

Well, it seems the dead movie star has inspired something in this Lebanese homosexual warbler.

[quote] I tried to be like Grace Kelly But all her looks were too sad So I tried a little Freddie I've gone identity mad!

[quote]R89 in "Rear Window" Grace Kelly is out of Stewart's league in every possible way, in physical attractiveness, social standing, charm, and even being a nice likable person, but he treats her like shit!

Montgomery Clift said “The most powerful aphrodisiac is indifference.”

^ What an inane epigram. There's no aphrodisiac if both parties are indifferent.

She is attracted to his mind and the presumed adventure of his occupation. She doesn't want a boring stockbroker.

It was a very common trope in Hollywood movies before the 1960s that young beautiful women would be involved with much, much, older men and the age difference would never even be mentioned or "noticed" in the film. It was just how it was. I don't recall hearing anyone say, "Oh that is SO unrealistic, she is WAY too young for him." It was not an issue in Movieland, it was treated like it was the most oridinary thing in the world.

[quote] It was a very common trope in Hollywood movies before the 1960s

90% of women were treated like rag dolls in Hollywood movies before the 1960s

R108 Hasn't seen a single movie made before 1960.

[quote]She is attracted to his mind

I'm sure I believe that. I'm sure every nerdy guy believe that.

[quote] I don't recall hearing anyone say, "Oh that is SO unrealistic

Really? What exactly did they say in 1954?

Is it really so impossible to you all (I assume feminist fraus, I don't think gay men would argue this so hard) that a woman would fuck and marry an older man? Especially in 1954? Lots of factors go into who people date and marry, not just looks. And some men and women do like older men.

[quote]I don't think gay men would argue this so hard

Right, gay men are mentally challenged.

The REAL reason this happened so much back then is that the men actors got older but were allowed to still be playing these "young," sexually active type of roles, they were considered to have "kept their looks." Actresses their age were "too old" to appear in films as the men's romantic interests in these movies, so the guys were hooked up with much younger starlets. It was sexism, pure and simple. Men had all the power in the system and it was operated accordingly. So they made the films with the unrealistic age-differences in them, acting like it wasn't even worth noticing in the story, and went on down the road. It was very, very common. -R107

Most of the roles played by Bette Davis, Barbara Stanwyck, Joan Crawford, and Katharine Hepburn didn't exist to R108. Neither did the number of good non-rag doll (how insulting!) roles played by Ingrid Bergman, Audrey Hepburn, Elizabeth Taylor, Deborah Kerr, Judy Garland, Vivien Leigh, Lauren Bacall, Carole Lombard, Doris Day, Shirley MacLaine, Shirley Booth, Gene Tierney, Olivia De Havilland, Susan Hayward, Judy Holliday, Greer Garson, Thelma Ritter, Ida Lupino, Jean Arthur, Joan Blondell, Rosalind Russell, Anna Magnani, Norma Shearer, Janet Gaynor, Joan Bennett, Shelley Winters...

R115 OK, your four top names are definitely in the 10% I mentioned at R110.

Gene Tierney and Carole Lombard frequently played rag dolls.

R115 How many of those names got top billing before 1960?

Even if they did get top billing 90% of their characters were seen as rag dolls to men or treated as rag dolls by men.

Kelly was okay in Rear Window and Dial M For Murder. But there's no way she should have beaten Judy for A Star Is Born. If anyone should have won an Oscar for The Country Girl , it was (I can't believe I'm saying this) it was Bing Crosby, who jumped out of his usual safety zone, and was fantastic.

On a semi-related note, is it just me or was Bob Cummings really awful in the aforementioned Dial M For Murder?

Yes, Bob Cummings was a complete mystery as anything but a tv game show host.

^. Cummings got second billing here.

But Hitchcock said he wanted Coop as his star.

R87 and James Dean only made 3 films and he was dead before I was born but he was still an Icon in the 70s.

R118 the whole film is pretty bad dull and talky, and the plot is preposterous, so Robert Cummings doesn't really stand out that much. It was based on a play by Frederick Knott and you can feel it stage origins he also wrote the play Wait Until Dark which also has a preposterous drawn-out plot, but it made for a more entertaining film, nonetheless. Both plots have a similar dependency on the telephone.

OP the Brooklyn seacow is an idiot, my goodness ..

[quote] Frederick Knott and you can feel it stage origins … preposterous drawn-out plot.

Kott was also responsible for this rather tedious agoraphobic, stage-bound talk-fest.

Yes, she was.

Hitch was obsessed with frigid blondes but Kelly's icy character was rather one dimensional.

It would have been more interesting to compare and contrast the rich blond American with the small brunette woman (shown at far right here) who WAS the cat burglar.

R81 R102 Did you and your friends from the Ozarks know who Humphrey Bogart JFK, Marilyn Monroe or Shakespeare were? Do you think people under 30 today know who Elvis is?

[quote] The culturally deprived

Shakespeare exemplified culture; the others are pop pablum.

R117 What in god's name is your definition of "rag doll" - I listed women who played fully realized and interesting characters, not pin-ups. Lombard was the star of her pictures late in the game, played funny screwball heroines. Tierney was most certainly not a "rag doll" in her most famous role, Leave Her to Heaven. And billing doesn't mean shit, I'm talking about the story and characters.

[quote]R118 Kelly was okay in Rear Window and Dial M For Murder. But there's no way she should have beaten Judy for A Star Is Born.

Oscars have rarely been about recognizing the “best” performance. Sometimes someone deserving like Anna Magnani will be selected, but it was usually about rewarding studio favorites.

Grace Kelly was a bright new star under long term contract, with hit films and more in the pipeline. Meanwhile, Garland had tried everyone’s patience with fluctuating weight etc. on A STAR IS BORN and there were no scheduled future films.

Hollywood wasn’t going to reward that.

Culture refers to a large and diverse set of mostly intangible aspects of social life. And do you actually consider JFK to be pop pablum? R128

According to the 1960 US Census, looks like the age difference between husbands and wives was 3 to 7 years (husband being older).

[quote] Among married couples enumerated in 1960, the median age of all husbands was about 44 years, and the median age of all wives was about 41 years. The median age of wife was 31 years in couples where the husband was 30 to 34 years old, 49 years where the husband was 50 to 54 years old, and 67 years where the husband was 70 to 74 years old.

My thing is I don’t understand why some here are so baffled that a young beautiful woman would want a middle aged average man. Go outside and look around. It’s not that uncommon. Never has been. Tons of hot people date people not on their level physically, and are genuinely attracted to the person. Believe it or not, many women are attracted to men who they find strong, funny, or charming, or who makes them feel safe, or who makes them feel good etc. more than who they think is prettier.

[quote] Tierney was most certainly not a "rag doll" in her most famous role, Leave Her to Heaven

R129 Tierney was supposed to be playing a character named Ellen Harland who was a psychopathic novelist/socialite.

Did she earn an income from being a novelist?

Did she earn an income from being a socialite? Men gave her an income to live.

She was driven to psychopathy and murder by men. The men in her life treated her as a rag doll and she tried to get revenge the only way she could think of.

I never watched a film from the 50s and felt the females were treated like rag dolls. Most times the women had more to do or the better roles.

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R81 were you and your friends in that movie Deliverance?

Grace Kelly was not an icy blonde in personality. She exuded a warm and friendly personality.

R138 Says who?

Says me. On screen and in person. Tippi was several degrees cooler in tone.

R139 she came across as concerned and loving in The Country Girl, High Noon and Rear Window

[quote] … in person …

You met Kelly, R140? Across a crowded room?

Grace Kelly didn't spread her thighs like Hitchcock's first Ice-Blond.

She wasn’t icy in Rear Window at all

Very peculiar that some of you think that Grace Kelly was on the same movie star level decades after she quit/died as Marilyn Monroe, James Dean and Humphrey Bogart - she is not.

This is the poster for Dial M for Murder, I wonder how it got past the censors. Yeah, yeah you can see her dress on the left, but still...

[quote] Yeah, yeah you can see her dress on the left, but still...

It wasn't a dress. It was a nightgown.

R81 from a book published in 1985

What did Grace Kelly have that Natalie Wood could have used?

-a good stroke

What show were Grace Kelly and Patricia Neal on?

-Different Strokes

and 20-year olds got the jokes R 81^^^ in 1985

[quote] I wonder how it got past the censors.

R145 Are you assuming Anthony Dawson's penis is penetrating that white skirt?

Sexual penetration needs to be censored but murder doesn't?

Rape vs Murder, hmmm....

They censored how murder was shown. Let’s not act like they were graphic. You couldn’t show gore or the actual murdering. Strangling I suppose was ok but you couldn’t show stabbing etc.

R145 Kelly was an icon as well-known as Elvis, Dean, Bogart and Monroe. Unlike Princess Die and Meager Muckle, she was a well-known Oscar winning movie star before she became a princess. Dean made only 3 films and Kelly made 11 films. Their last films were released in 1956 and they both died in car accidents 27 years apart.

Anything to bring Meghan into the discussion. 🙄🙄🙄

Well, R153 Grace Kelly like Meghan was an American actress who married into royalty and their weddings we're extensively covered. I used Meghan as a reference point.

Meghan Markle was much prettier and sexier than Grace Kelly-Grimaldi.

[quote] cold

[quote] icy

[quote] frigid

This woman was best when she kept her mouth shut.

She says only five words in the climax of her last film.

R55=Meghan Markle

The video at R156 displays a TRUE subtle thespian at the peak of their talent alongside an ornamental lump of wood.

She did receive an Oscar nomination for MOGAMBO, alongside Ava Gardner. Although it was in the supporting category.

Cary Grant should have been the male lead in "Rear Window", not James Stewart. We wouldn't be bitching about an unbelievable relationship if it had been Grant in that wheelchair, would we, we'd be wondering why she wasn't licking the sweat off his manly chest!

Seriously, Stewart is described as a man of action in the exposition, but what we actually see is a skinny-fat, gray-haired man who's getting old, and is disabled and defeated. Grant would have brought much more of a sense of the frustrated man of action to the movie, as well as more of a sense of humor and some sex appeal. It might have been a much better movie with Cary Grant.

That may have made the romance more believable, but Grant would have looked a lot less vulnerable and impotent when Thorwald comes after him. Would we have really believed that he was in that much danger with that muscular body?

Grant's a good idea, but I'd rather see Stanwyck as the old curmudgeon in the Stewart role. Keep Thelma Ritter and Wendell Corey.

I think a better role for Grant would have been the one he turned down, that of Norman Maine in the 1954 "A Star Is Born".

No one wanted to see Grant as a heavy. That’s why Selznick had Hitchcock change the ending of SUSPICION.

No, that would have been impossible, R163.

A star CANNOT commit suicide. It's impossible.

[quote]R160 Cary Grant should have been the male lead in "Rear Window", not James Stewart.

The character’s supposed to be an international, free lance photographer, accustomed to roughing it.

Cary Grant would burst into tears the first time river water sloshed in his rowboat. (And god forbid there was pond scum!)

R166 thank you. He was a freelance photographer. Stewart was perfect casting.

No, R163, 'Norman Maine' was a supporting role.

There are LONG sequences where Norman Maine sits on the edge on the sofa saying nothing while Frances Gumm hogs the screen.

The relationship between Stewart and Kelly is loosely based on the affair between Robert Capa and Ingrid Bergman. Capa was in his early 30s at the time. I love Stewart, but he was no Robert Capa.

Capa often visited Bergman on the set of Notorious and got to know Hitchcock. He confided in Hitch about the reasons he thought marriage to Bergman wouldn’t work. Some of those doubts were worked into the Rear Window script.

I love Jimmy Stewart - "no thespian skills" - this is a joke, right? One of the most sought-after A list leading me of all time, the top box office star of the 50s. Brilliant in The Philadelphia Story, Anatomy Of A Murder, Vertigo, The Capra films, the Anthony Mann Westerns like Bend Of The River. Please go jump off a cliff or get some taste.

*men

Jimmy Stewart played noting else but Jimmy Stewart.

Just because someone or something is popular, doesn’t mean that it’s good…

R27-You mean Miss Ellie

[quote]I love Jimmy Stewart - "no thespian skills" - this is a joke, right?

If Stewart had played nerdy roles he wouldn't be getting so much criticism from so many people - on and OFF the Datalounge. When I saw Vertigo and Rear Window in a movie theater when they were re-released in 1983, there was big audience laughter in the lovey dovey scenes between him and Kelly and Novak. I only threw up in my mouth a little.

It doesn't help the situation that Stewart's character comments on Miss Lonelyhearts' visitor being "a little young."

I couldn’t stand Stewart.

He was alright when he was younger, especially if you wanted someone soothing. But he did become an old fuddy duddy really fast.

Did he have acromegaly?

Watched Anatomy of a Murder (1959) recently and it's a remarkably good film.

It's the best Otto Preminger film I've ever seen and one of the best courtroom dramas ever.

It would be a great double bill with 12 Angry Men (1957)

Stewart is excellent in an outstanding cast that includes Lee Remick, George C Scott, Ben Gazzara, Kathryn Grant and Eve Arden at their best.

Stewart and Scott were both nominated for their performances

Rear Window and 4 other films of Hitchcock's were re released to theaters in1983.

another re-release of one of Grace's films she made with Hitchcock.

R181, that's mentioned numerous times in this thread.

Can you point to where the theatrical rerelease of 5 of Hitchcock's films is mentioned just once R183?

HIGH SOCIETY wasn’t a bad film, but it pales in comparison to the original film, THE PHILADELPHIA STORY. Grace was good, but Bing Crosby was simply too old for his role. It was so obvious.

“Nobody could turn their head for a kiss like Grace Kelly.” -Sharon Stone

(Grace’s segment starts at 24:03)

What does that even mean r386? What Sharon said?

^ Movie star talk gibberish.

Kelly's square head would eventually resemble Signoret's square head.

I've recently been getting into Hitchcock. And I think Strangers on a Train, Rear Window, Rope and Psycho are my favorites.

Grace was great in Rear Window, overall I adore the character of Lisa. She was rich, spoiled and glamorous but also kind and smart and extremely helpful and brave. Hitchcock gets some flack today but I enjoy his female characters a lot as most of them were intelligent and had complexity. Not just bimbos.

I like Rear Window, but Notorious and Shadow of a Doubt might be my favorites. I like Strangers on a Train as well, but the carousal scene might be a bit over the top and seems more implausible on the second viewing.

Jimmy Stewart might have seemed like he was playing himself, but that was pretty standard in old time Hollywood. They all played with in their persona, but he acted well within that persona. He did kind of evolve from befuddled young man to cranky old man. I used to enjoy his guest appearances on the Jack Benny show when the repeats used to be shown.

[quote]She was rich, spoiled and glamorous but also kind and smart and extremely helpful and brave (in Rear Window).

And the male characters continuously put her down for lack of intelligence because of her gender.

R192 Yep. I kinda get the feeling Hitchcock was throwing some sex commentary in here. Lisa is more deep than what she projects on the surface. Jeff isn't portrayed in a positive light either, he's sexist, arrogant, nosy, cowardly and quite dumb at times. I found the movie subversive.

It’s on TCM right now.

And wooden.

This was her best role. I loved the scene where she showed up with the purse that actually was an overnight case for her nightgown and slippers.

Grace Kelly wasn't the first slot machine to end up in Monte Carlo.

One of the great lines from the film "The Death of Stalin"

Stalin's son: "I want to make a speech at my father's funeral."

Khrushchev: "Yeah, and I wanna fuck Grace Kelly."

Ryan Philippe’s sisters were obsessed with Grace in the movie 54

[quote] She was notorious for fucking all her leading men. The only one who kept her at a distance was devoted Christian Jimmy Stewart.

The Jimmy Stewart who had an affair with married costar Margaret Sullavan, who took him back to his place to "read lines" with and he credits her with teaching him how to act? The one whose baby Marlene Dietrich aborted because he refused to be her boyfriend (from her own daughter's book)?

"Stewart remained unmarried until his 40s and was dubbed "The Great American Bachelor" by the press." He got around. Probably with both women and men. It's just what you did in Hollywood back then - he was Henry Fonda's roommate and they double dated with Ginger Rogers and Lucille Ball, if I remember correctly -- but he was no celibate.

Dear God. He got around with women. Period r200. Not everyone is gay. Most aren’t. Just accept it and stop.

To R9, Grace was Fucking Jimmy Stewart in Rear Window. Grace fucked all her male co-stars, including Bing Crosby and William Holden from The Country Girl.

She didn’t fuck Jimmy. Not only that, didn’t they not even like each other?

Jimmy Stewart fucked Kim Novak, so I know he fucked the Grace da Whore.

No. He didn’t fuck Grace because she didn’t fuck him.

I love Rear Window, to me it is a perfect Hitchcock movie...I love Thelma Ritter,Jimmy Grace, and Perry Mason. Also, LOVE High Society and loathe The Philadelphia Story.(hate the big lez Kate Hepburn)

No love for The Swan? She's absolute perfection in that.

R206 Just watched Rear Window for probably the 50th time on TCM last night. It really is one of Hitchcock's best, if not THE best. And in my opinion, Kelly gave the best performance of her career in this one.

I love the way she goes from precious, pampered society girl to scrappy, intrepid, fearless amateur detective throughout the movie. The scene where she climbs into Thorwald's apartment was both exciting and scary as hell. When she flashed the wedding band in the window...wow!

And of course, Thelma Ritter. The woman could do no wrong in any movie she was in.

[quote]She was a beautiful woman and a bad actress.

She was. She has her fans and she has an extremely interesting screen presence, but she wasn't a good actress. The only good performance she ever gave was in The Country Girl. I'm not saying it was Oscar-worthy, but she at least acted, and reasonably well. In everything else, she's just a pretty, cold fish.

I never watched the movie, The Swan. I forgot, Grace fucked Gary Cooper while filming Shane, Like Mrs McGlinney used to say in East Falls when they talked about the Kelly Family..."Who didn't Grace da Whore fuck". Then the women started on all the "really wealthy Penn Charter boys she fucked".