Jan 6th Committe Hearing on 7/12/22

Thanks OP!

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("its" = possessive; "it's" = abbreviation of "it is")

Thanks for the link, ElderLez.

Thank you OP, just fired up the ol’ Nespresso, hot beverage ready to go while I pack for a summer trip that starts tomorrow, no mug cradling. These hearings are my packing entertainment, I cannot wait to see this!

I’m worried how the committee can sustain the momentum from Mama Cass — but I also have great confidence in Liz. She absolutely knows how to build a case in a Bard-like crescendo of wickedness and drama. Bill Shakespearecould not do better than Liz.

Does anyone know if Thursday night is happening for sure? Can’t remember where I read they are doing a prime-time hearing at night, hope it’s on.

That’s quite a line up witnesses.

Liz is not gonna let The Don off the hook!

I hope the committee gives more names of members of Congress that colluded with a Trump.

IK hope this leads veto an indictment of the Orange anus.

^^to an indictment

Patsy Baloney has a saggy neck.

This has been really boring so far. Just rehash and recaps. Someone needs to show these people how to put on a show.

[quote]Someone needs to show these people how to put on a show.

They know. They have. They will.

Guess they are showing us Team Normal first, proving plenty of important people told Trump it was over.

They are being meticulous R11. This is a legal hearing, not entertainment.

no fireworks in the first 30 minutes

"Does anyone know if Thursday night is happening for sure?"

Rescheduled.

Good lord, do you think they'd really put that talking pile of pigshit Bannon out there? Live on primetime TV?

Sidney just got burned.

There has to be a recording of Ivanka’s real voice somewhere.

I love Jamie Raskin, but it looks like he's been going to Debbie Wasserman Schultz's hairdresser.

Does anyone think that Jason Miller is going to jail?

Mike I take the 5th Flynn is intimately involved in sustaining the narrative the election was stolen. Bernie Kerick who is a felon, tapped out early.

[quote]I love Jamie Raskin, but it looks like he's been going to Debbie Wasserman Schultz's hairdresser.

Poor baby, I'll give him a referral to mine.

overstock dot com, my pillow executives ? what the hell

45 mins, but it looks like they’re finally getting to the good stuff.

She’s a pepper!

Sidney Powell looks like a librarian from Texas.

“The screaming.” Yikes.

Sidney is far more dangerous and idiotic than I previously believed.

And, I’ve viewed her as batshit crazy for years at this point.

Rudy!

"yer not fightin hard enuff fer duh president, yall need tuh be fired"= the kraken

Rudy looks hungover.

Miss Sidney sure thinks highly of herself.

So . . . Trump realizes he’s out of legitimate options and can’t appoint Sydney Powell to seize voting machines. He then decides to overthrow the government.

Trump liked the crazies because he's one himself.

Twitter banned a sitting President of the United States from using its platform.

Shameful.

social media is the end of society

wow

R37, those clips of Alex Jones and the others ginning up Trump supporters for a “Red Wedding” are horrifying.

twitter loved those clicks

This is trump rallying the mob...proof.

Red Wedding, Red Pill. terrible nerds

What is damning is the fact that Trump sends out this tweet at 1 AM, and all these loonies had everything ready to roll. The woman who set up the rallie, and Alex Jones and Ali Alexander (who is very close to Roger Stone) all of this was ready to activate. Talk about pre meditation.

Super creepy electronically disguised voice. Telling the truth can get you killed in MAGA world.

Too bad the cops didn't shoot more of the rioters...since one said, we are ready to die.

that was a former twitter employee who works in a small industry

Kayleigh M's lawyer is the son of Mark Meadows' lawyer. I guess representing anti-democratic fascists is a family business. He was also one of Trump's US Attorneys.

"I'm ready to die for my beliefs, are you ready to die, Police?" -MAGAT

R44 If the rioters were black they would all would have been shot dead.

White supremacist murderous mob, directed by Donald Trump.

Rabit animals, chomping at the bit...salivating and drooling in the idea of killing and chaos....blood...blood! They are so bloodthirsty. trump knew this and took full advantage.

Jake Tapper: "Shocking and even terrifying testimony."

"There has to be a recording of Ivanka’s real voice somewhere."

I think she's tremendous.

*rabid

How the hell does a former Overstock CEO get a secret audience with the President?

[quote]Too bad the cops didn't shoot more of the rioters...since one said, we are ready to die.

Think about the fact that when people go off about Muslims who commit terrorism, it literally takes destroying their countries and killing hundreds of thousands to millions over decades for them to attack. It only took a white trash sore loser clown bitch losing a democratic election for these white people to go feral.

Sidney and her Dr Pepper. She’s a cow.

He gets a secret audience with the crazy orange Cheeto when he sucks dtrump balls& tells him he is a the greatest ever.

The violent take over by right wing mobs. Just like they took over the Supreme Court. An overthrow of the will of the people. We are very VERY close to losing our Democracy.

It’s a Diet Dr. Pepper, R56. Which makes her a heifer.

The tanned, silver haired man sitting behind Jamie Raskin is making my mussy very moist, indeed.

first they scream law and order and in the next moment they scream "kill all Democrats,man, woman and child".

that is what we are up against.

The Republicans, who always scream about the rule of law, do not follow the rule of law.

[quote]How the hell does a former Overstock CEO get a secret audience with the President?

ANY person claiming to have proof that Trump actually won, he wanted to hear from. Every single bullshit conspiracy that claimed he really won, he wanted to hear. If you told him he lost, you were done.

R61, what don't they project about?

After that midnight meeting with all the shouting, it seems Trump was left alone boiling mad. He sent the tweet. It tells me he solely responsible for what happened on January 6th. He made the first move. Thus, all the blood is on his hands.

"I'm a pepper....wouldn't you like to be a pepper, too..."

Rachal Scott on ABC, pretty black chick? Very dumb. ABC got rid of Krispy Kreme. I'd like to see her removed too.

Pat Cipollone: from Wikipedia

[quote] The family moved to Northern Kentucky, where he graduated from Covington Catholic High School in 1984.

Covington Catholic High School also home to a more famous Trumper Nick Sandmann

God I hate that smug face R67.

Witness wearing a Jeans Jacket, he really pulled out his best wardrobe for this.

Those red wedding videos might be the smoking gun...not so much for Trump, but for many of his sycophantic cronies.

They just DEMOLISHED any alibi or shadow of any excuse Trump might use to defend himself, and they rubbed Sydney Powell's face in her own deranged STUPIDITY. Giuliani shown to be a pathetic, laughable ass-kisser, in Congress, on live national television.

Cipollone threw Trump ALL THE WAY under the bus, lol.

This witness in the jean jacket looks like an alcoholic homeless guy.

Is there any doubt that the current Republicans have devolved into the worst of the worst in American history?

The bearded one looks bored. Wonder what’s on his T-shirt. Those little pins on his “coat”. I thought there would be some sort of dress code.

ABC is talking about the midterms. Why? This hearing isn't interesting enough for them?

R75, it gives them “authenticity,” though. These guys seem very neo-Nazi.

How much did that little cunt Sandmann at R67 pocket from his various lawsuits?

How could any American think this kind of behavior was okay?

Nobody, but NOBODY, tells Trump he lost!

Trump DOES NOT LOSE!.

Actually, he’s been a loser all his life.

Trump pardon aside, Flynn and Stone need to be jailed for their involvement.

The Brooks Brothers riot was a demonstration at a meeting of election canvassers in Miami-Dade County, Florida, on November 22, 2000, during a recount of votes made during the 2000 United States presidential election, with the goal of shutting down the recount. After demonstrations and acts of violence, local officials shut down the recount early.

The name referenced the protesters' corporate attire; described by Paul Gigot in an editorial for The Wall Street Journal as "50-year-old white lawyers with cell phones and Hermès ties," differentiating them from local citizens concerned about vote counting.

Many of the demonstrators were Republican staffers.

Both Roger Stone and Brad Blakeman take credit for managing the riot from a command post, although their accounts contradict each other.

Stone looks like a cartoon character

Flynn should be tried and court-martialed separate from all of this.

Did his cunt son receive a pardon?

He was president and he has a huge base of insane gun-toting hillbillies.

He is not going to be charged.

I forgot about Pierson the Fraud!

Katrina Pearson is a wedding planner?

Good ol' Sticky Fingers Pierson!

Well this evidence is damning. Guilty, guilty, GUILTY!!!

This needs to end with multiple folks in prison

Names! Yea!

She fits in with magats, r89. More so after having received surgical intervention to deenthicised her physical features.

R90, all pre-meditated. They knew!

Just ran down congressmans names directly involved in the planning of J6, usual suspects

Ms. Murphy needs to correctly pronounce Cipollone.

R95, but seeing the visual evidence adds to the impact.

Yes, it isn't hard to pronounce Baloney, r95.

[QUOTE] He is not going to be charged.

I don’t agree with this anymore and I’m tired of the excuse that “his supporters will be angry.” Who cares? They live in a state of perpetual anger.

^r96

[quote]He was president and he has a huge base of insane gun-toting hillbillies. He is not going to be charged.

He's not going to be charged because it can't be proved that he intended to unleash a mob, even though it's clear that he did.

Yuck. Bannon.

Cipollone came through with devastating testimony, however reluctant he may have been.

"he is not going to be charged"= or else.

R101, we’re getting to the proof. He very much intended this to happen.

Alex Stone is one double cheeseburger away…

When is the Proud Boy going to testify?

All of these far rightists need to take a bullet for the country.

I'm so very glad Trump was banned from Twitter that week. He must have been enraged.

Does the former Twitter employee have gayvoice, or is just the distortion?

Originally I thought these hearings were important, but would have "no result" in terms of Trump's legal status or national support. I am slowly changing my mind.

Debbie Lesko looks deranged

I fucking hate Debbie Lesko. She’s a terrible person, and would kill her grandchildren for a gun.

why would ANTIFA show up to support Trump.

There's your premeditation.

Roger Stone is a 1960s guy and I think he patterns his look on Burgess Meredith’s Penguin.

The distortion dial has a gayvoice setting r110/VOTN

premeditation= on January 02, 2021 as he was leaving the White House, Guliani asked Cassidy Hutchison if she was excited about J6.

Lord, now they are giving Ivanka the business! She LIES!

Rep. Stephanie Murphy is giving Clara Bow/Lillian Gish looks today.

R120, only on DL.

Stephen Miller was dredged up. He was unable to sit up straight during the recorded deposition

Why do all these people have such annoying vocal fry voices? Granted, they have many worse qualities and are completely amoral, but their speech is so annOYING!

[quote]Stephen Miller was dredged up. He was unable to sit up straight during the recorded deposition

Thats because he's a spineless worm.

Parscale has a semblance of a soul?

I knew Katrina Pierson was soulless but holy fuck.

Only for a few minutes twice a year.

Well, Brad Parscale thinks Trump is guilty.

Finally some live witnesses.

What's with the denim jacket on the Oaf Queefer? It's 90 degrees. I hope he was checked for explosives.

Gotta hide those Nazi tattoos

Pierson has no fucks to give. As long as I live good, "oh wail".

Still obsessing over David Koresh. Their right to to under-aged non-consenting females shall not be infringed upon.

We make fun of how he’s dressed, but this is probably his “Sunday Best”. Some people just have no need for fancy clothes.

R130, hard to imagine that guys who look like this fancy themselves the superior race.

Denial of the holocaust the red line? Interesting.

Y’know…

Mr. Ayers has BDF.

Just sayin

"Not so much now." What a dumbass.

"Doing my own research"? What is that?

Ayers is still a dumbass.

This poor man, bless his heart. "I was wrong. I got away from social media... did my own research." What most of America (including uptrodden progressives like me) could and should be able to say.

[quote]"Doing my own research"? What is that?

Checking the internet on his cell phone.

You guys are funny! Thanks for the laughs.

You're allowed to be a dumbass, not allowed to commit sedition.

"I'm angry"... because I got in trouble.

Bravo, R144, nicely said.

My own research: Looking in places outside my tribal bubble. I'll give him props here....

That guy is a perfect example of why Trump won in the first place. This country has far too many gullible, hate filled morons who believe whatever sounds like what they want to hear, rather than the truth, because all too many times the truth hurts.

Is that a tattoo above Mr. Tatenhove’s left brow? It’s hard to tell.

At least this one seems remorseful.

The jeans jacket guy seems very sincere. Maybe some of his former gang members will listen to him.

[quote] Wonder what’s on his T-shirt.

R75 I think he is wearing a Descendents band t-shirt.

At least he seems intelligent unlike the guy sitting next to him.

They had selected targets. That’s scary. Many more might have died.

Hillary Clinton ...The Queen of Hearts!

Proud Boys declared a terrorist org. The committee has not asked who these people are.

Bundy ranch obsessive.

Thanks R152.

Jason has a granddaughter he’s concerned about.

Grew up in Northern Ohio but he has a southern twang.

GURL! Jamie Raskin and his Hey, Diddle Diddle hair from my 1965 [italic]Childcraft[/italic] book!

Brad Parscale apology for helping Trump get elected.

Is that the wife behind him?

These two are still white nationalists. GMAB.

Very nice roundup of testimony

Horse blinders, that about sums it up for all those at the Capitol on 1/6.

That wife looks like a complete bitch.

"... I don't think any one man is bigger than my family and the country... I had blinders own..."

I can't help it, I feel so sorry for this guy and his family.

America... where "forgiveness" maybe is a thing... maybe...

Miss Pierson is hashtag not bothered.

Ayres lost his job and his home. That's the thanks he got from Trump. Dumb shit.

Was the wife at the Capitol too?

Did anyone else catch that wife's expression when Raskin welcomed her to Washington? She looked like she was about to puke. She probably has nothing but hatred for everyone on that committee.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I don’t feel sorry for this guy. He got caught and that’s the only reason why he’s appearing today.

The wife was dressed and groomed correctly. Thumbs up for common sense.

I felt pity for the red headed witness. Stephen Ayres. He seems like a fundamentally good family man. And he's not intelligent, has low critical thinking and information literacy, and he really followed Trump. And Trump destroyed his life. He's very lucky he only was guilty of "disorderly conduct".

Rinse repeat for thousands of people, perhaps.

R170, she was probably there, but she looks too out of shape to have scaled the Capitol wall.

It will be a travesty if only the little guys like this get punished.

Why, why, why is it so difficult to say ASK rather than AXE?

American carnage, Donald Trumps legacy

American carnage. Yep. The whole fucking country needs to turn back from that.

Raskin is so eloquent. If only his hair...

No R170, he went with “friends “.

I don't feel sorry for anyone who attended that "rally". The Capitol cops deserve sympathy, though.

I have lousy ethnic hair too, buzzcut helps.

Actually, it is the problem of one party.

The cute gay cop is in the audience.

Committee didn't ask who the ploughed bois are.

Don't waste your pity on these people. No one forced them to go down their respective rabbit holes. They chose to based on their white nationalist prejudices.

Bravo, Raskin.

[quote] Why, why, why is it so difficult to say ASK rather than AXE?

Maybe you should ask all the whites up in The Bronx and Brooklyn who can't say "ask". It's simply an effect of the accent they developed growing up. The same reason people have trouble pronouncing words in foreign languages they have no experience with. The way our mouths and tongues move when we speak is hardwired into our brains at a certain point in life, and it's hard to change those speech patterns.

"We depend on weak minds" - Adolph Hitler, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Manson, Donald Trump, Sun Myung Moon...

There’s no real justification for the comments about the wife. Unless you know something the rest of us don’t, the hate is unwarranted.

Miss Cheney will cut you down.

One of those “friends” committed suicide after getting caught.

Rather lackluster day

Baloney is an attractive ethnic type

Those poor dear white nationalists would gladly skin any one of us alive. Not gay friendly at all.

R186 With all respect I disagree. The only way we are going to get to something better is to be open to reconciliation.

"Both sides are the problem... " Well, sorta, but not really... the right wing extremists are much,, much more dangerous.

But I have one heart. I feel so sad for these poor "every day" people who just made mistakes in judgement. Accountability? Absolutely, especially for Trump and his elite circle. But I need to understand the struggle these folks experience. Part of the American family...

Oh shit. Dump is still calling witnesses.

Trump attempts to tamper with another witness!

It's clear to me that this was always in the back of Trump's mind should he somehow 'lose' the 2020 election. He just didn't think he would lose by that much. He was hoping for 2000 redux, losing by 100 votes in Florida.

But he incredibly went ahead with it anyway! All his life he's gotten what he wanted, so why would this be any different? He thought the whole world- all his fans- would conspire with him to achieve a fake victory.

Curious about this mystery witness.

Witness tampering!!

R174 it’s sad he lost his job. He’s clearly not educated and he’d worked his way up at his company. He really got his life fucked up by following Dump. Why can’t others like him learn from his mistakes? And Mary! Mrs. Murphys story made me cry.

Trump is digging his own grave. Good.

Trump still trying to tamper with witnesses. They may be able to get him on that.

Isn’t this witness talk about Bannon?

[quote]I can't help it, I feel so sorry for this guy and his family.

I thought that too; my video started buffering when he talked about what happened, but I gathered he lost his job & his home. He doesn't seem like a bad guy, but not very intelligent & got caught up in something (that he believed was) larger than himself.

That said, if he had the opportunity, would he vote for Trump again? Probably...

Excellent hearing very much needed to move forward.

Bennie Thompson is explaining what the government is needed for.

America needs to hear and understand this.

Militias obsessed with Ruby Ridge are driving the rest of us off the cliff.

That Van Tatenhov guy wanted so badly to go full tilt boogie, he has so much more to say.

I've believed from the start that the object was to kidnap, torture (rape?) and murder definitely Nancy Pelosi, but also Schumer, Pence and Schiff. This was a FAILED coup. It didn't turn out as PLANNED. It wasn't tourists taking selfies.

R206, these hearings have really underlined the class divides in this country. The wealthy and educated are protected. The less wealthy and less educated? Not so much. Remember what happened to the poll worker.

Any idea that we should just move on because the coup didn’t succeed doesn’t make sense. If it had succeeded, we wouldn’t be in a position to do anything about it.

Where is Mike Meadows? Is that who dump is reaching out to?

CNN says Liz's statement: "Donald Trump is a 76-year-old man, he is not some impressionable child." is a signal to the DOJ to borrow her balls and go after the orange one.

They are obsessed with Ruby Ridge and Waco to the point of actively committing sedition and violence but they want us to move on from J6?

Nothing they say or do makes any sense.

Pence is not a hero, he is a major part of this problem. No fucking MOF.

The evidence keeps piling up against the trumpster. He should be excited about the next hearing because it will be all about him. I hope he gets nailed.

OT- but Fox showed the hearing and they are discussing it. I’m shocked. But I’d heard the Murdochs were looking to move on from Dump.

Rachel Scott on ABC = turning off ABC

Agreed, R176.

Through this entire fiasco I keep being reminded of something the Rocky Carroll character on NCIS told the Sec'y of Navy and head of CIA, both of whom were trying to shift blame for a serial killer THEY created from themselves onto the lowly agents:

[quote]You can't blame them, Mr. Secretary. For once, the weight does not fall on the bottom of the pyramid. This operation was your call. Accept it.

If only that shit happened in real life.

I'm sorry....

We are looking to move on from the Murdoch's.

The Dominion voting system lawsuits, worth billions, will help get a foreign entity out of American politics.

Welfare queens.

I don't like watching the kiss ass liberal stations but I like to hear what Fox new would say. After it was over, they said the Justice dept has nothing to bring up against Trump.

Pat Cipollone waited 18 months to tell the 1/6 committee what he knew about the goings on in the White House around Trump’s efforts to cling to a second term when he clearly lost. Cipollone is not a hero by any means. And if it wasn’t for Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony…

Who was the guy sitting behind Jason Van Tatenhove, the one with the pink shirt & tie and large ears?

Which liberal news stations do you mean?

If liberal news stations existed, Dump would never have made it to the presidency.

R223, the guy was cute in a dorky sort of way

Still obsessing over Benghazi but telling us to move on from J6.

One thing that really struck me from the Oath Keeper was that it all started at the Bundy Ranch. I thought the same and the takeover of the wildlife refuge was even worse.

The FBI should have gone in and nipped that shit in the bud when all that was going on.

Pascale was remorseful over Ashley Babbitt but didn't mention the cops who were killed and injured.

Law and order types have zero fucks for law and order.

Ashley Babbitt was a terrible person and an insurrectionist. Have you seen the collection of videos she posted before Jan 6? She was a cunt.

I’m not sorry about her death. She knew what she was doing.

This goes back further to Waco.

Waco was used as an excuse to commit the Oklahoma City bombing.

That is why it is said do not negotiate with terrorists.

They believe that "duh guvuhmint killed little kids" in Waco so they build a bomb to kill innocent civilians including kids in another state?

These people can not be reasoned with and are not lone wolves.

Katy is not here for Nicolle's constant giggling.

Good girl.

Katy Tur?

Surprise witness will be Kayleigh the Ninny. She’s trending on Twitter. She and Ivanka are apparently in cahoots.

They say George Floyd "deserved what he got " for non compliance and elevate Ashley Babbitt as a martyr and threaten the black cop who fired the shot.

Why was the Twitter employee treated like Deep Throat? Is she in the witness protection program now?

Yes, R233. Sorry, should've clarified @R232.

I will not be interested in hearing testimony from the pigeon headed whore. I don't ever want to see that woman's face on television or in a photo again.

She stood up there lying her ass off while wearing a Christian crucifix around her pigeon neck.

You wanna lie? Do it. But take that crucifix off your damned body.

I thought Mr. Ayers was going to be introduced as Joe the Plumber's assistant.

Stephanie Grisham just said on CNN that Trump sometimes called them into the room to witness the real-time power of his tweets. It excited him that he had the power to affect the stock market, etc.

Dayam!

R238 just burned that pigeon headed whore to the ground.

Whew!😝

Nixon’s top staff went to jail for Watergate, which was nothing compared to this, so there is plenty of precedence. The Mueller Report & Mitch McConnell both said explicitly that Trump could (should) be prosecuted after he was out of office. DOJ has no excuse not to go after this gang of traitors.

[quote]Why was the Twitter employee treated like Deep Throat? Is she in the witness protection program now?

I'm not a lawyer so I don't understand the legal implications, but based on that testimony about Twitter personnel saw all this coming together and their leadership refused to do anything seems to me is grounds for breaking the company apart

Mr. Baloney walked into the White House, saw the kraken and the CEO of Overstock dot Com in a late night meeting and then he knew, this shit was so off the rails it was indescribable.

What possible insight into American elections and constitutional law does mypillow and Overstock have to offer?

This worship of wealth is what got us here.

These people are rich, so they "know something".

The witness Ayres went up to the police in the room and apologized to them.

[quote]R238: She stood up there lying her ass off while wearing a Christian crucifix around her pigeon neck. You wanna lie? Do it. But take that crucifix off your damned body.

Because nobody Catholic ever told a lie, ever. Right?

"How is all of this only coming out now?" It's THE question for all who could have made a difference. At any step along the way.

That is not my point, dragon.

My point is lying is a mortal sin in Christianity. She's showboating her faith while committing a mortal sin.

They do that and judge others.

It's insulting and a joke.

I wish they’d post the entire Sidney Powell interview on YT. Bet it’s comedy gold. She’s nuts.

Trump attempting to call a witness on his own at this late stage says two things. He no longer has anyone who's willing to do his dirty work for him as was done with that Hutchinson woman, and he's entered extreme desperation mode.

I will not be at all surprised if at some point they find out he's contacting friendly foreign leaders looking for refuge. I'm sure that pig down in Brazil would gladly take him in. I can't see him fleeing to any eastern European countries, so Brazil would probably be his only choice.

Putin would give Dumpster refuge.

Where was the First Whore during all this? Or Ivanka deVille? Wasn’t her job Presidential Advisor? Eric was probably watching South Park reruns and Junior Boi was coked out of his mind.

R250, I agree—no one wants to do his dirty work because they also see he will eventually turn on them.

I am disappointed that it looks like this committee isn't going after Flynn's brother who was in charge at the Pentagon that received calls from leaders asking for help at the Capitol. First the Pentagon denied that Flynn had anything to do with that, They lied.

R247, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that plowing through all of the potential evidence and getting all of these people to talk is hard work. The House would not have been able to do this for the second impeachment trial. No one from the WH staff would have talked, for one thing.

R248, I want her to wear the symbol of the cross around her neck.

Why?

Because it reminds good and moral people of ALL faiths and non-believers, what a true hypocrite sounds like, looks like and behaves.

So many criminals, so little time r254. Seriously, you make an excellent point. I want ALL of these motherfuckers arrested and brought to justice. Every last one of them.

I want to know who was the hot guy sitting behind the Oath Keeper.

The committee members are doing a great job. And they are doing it correctly.

Dump didn't do this on his own. He is lazy and broke.

He had a great deal of assistance and they are not finished with finishing American democracy.

Sorry about the previous youtube link.

That link is connected to an account that is misinformed.

Officer Daniel Hodges seemed more distressed after today's hearing than I have seen him since he was getting crushed in that doorway. He seemed truly unsettled, I hope he is okay.

Mr. Ayres lost his house and his job. I wonder if he lost his MENSA membership too.

R36, you think banning a terrorist leader is shameful? There is something seriously wrong with you people. Do you just pretend he even earned that title? He SHAMED the Presidency of the United States

Trump is so narcissistic he thinks he can get away with anything including witness tampering. When he called and identified himself I hope the witness said fuck you. Click.

[quote]I will not be at all surprised if at some point they find out he's contacting friendly foreign leaders looking for refuge.

You think? I think he's such a pathetic con artist, the next we see him it will be wheeled around in a wheelchair by Sydney or Pillow Bitch. He's too lazy to run & cowardly to make any bold moves on his own

[quote]I'm not a lawyer so I don't understand the legal implications, but based on that testimony about Twitter personnel saw all this coming together and their leadership refused to do anything seems to me is grounds for breaking the company apart

No, it doesn't start with Twitter. It starts with the FEDs who were warned over and over and over again. My friend works for a monitoring company and the Feds were warned about this long before it happened. They didn't take it seriously because these were white terrorists. I don't know why anyone is shocked by LE not taking WHITE terrorism seriously when a lot of them are sympathizers within its ranks or simply think white people shit gold and piss rainbows and are incapable of being savages. It's those "ragheads" or "ANTIFA" or "BLM" who are the threat to 'murica.

Dump didn't reach the witness. The witness didn't take the call but contacted their attorney. The attorney contacted the J6 committee.

This is the second hearing Cheney has ended with a warning about witness tampering

[quote]Ayres lost his house and his job. I wonder if he lost his MENSA membership too.

Ya know, I think, ya know, that he, ya know, may have, ya know, lost that, too, ya know

[quote] I wonder if he lost his MENSA membership too.

Mr. Ayres is a perfect representative of the great majority of Trump supporters. I hope the small sliver of Trumpanzees who watched saw themselves when Ayres was testifying -- and asked themselves "how much more miserable do I want be?"

I’m glad they referred to the Justice Department, because I wouldn’t want them to miss an opportunity to do fuck all again.

[quote]He's too lazy to run & cowardly to make any bold moves on his own

I think he he believes he's smarter than everybody else and nobody will be able to pin anything on him. The former is a delusion but the latter may prove true.

[quote] and asked themselves "how much more miserable do I want be?

Sunk Cost fallacy.

I hate that Cheney stands for everything I hate politically, because I would love someone like her as a Dem.

R252 Jr was busy texting everyone who hadn't blocked him. Even coked out of his mind, he knew an insurrection was a horrendous fuck up. His dad apparently was ignoring him that day, as he was with anyone else trying to give him advice.

Can a lawyer on here explain to me how Kayleigh M goes to testify under oath and tells the truth and then goes on FOX to lie? How does her own counsel not tell her to keep quiet about anything involving the election when she admitted he lost?

9/11, economic meltdowns in 2001 and 08, AIDS and Covid and an insurrection, the first time in American history a peaceful transition of power was denied, all in my lifetime and I'm not even that old.

I really appreciated Bennie Thompson trying to explain what role government has in our lives. I don't think that message will penetrate to kamikazes taking us off the cliff. They are in kill mode as the rogue Scotus rulings demo.

But he tried to explain how citizens were denied civil rights until government intervened.

He pointed out that when a natural disaster occurs and the state doesn't have resources to support its recovery, the feds have a role to aid those of us in need.

What grievance does a Cuban who is given preferred treatment over other immigrants have against,"the government"?

ON NBC Nightly News they just showed a clip of Jason Van Tatenhove (the jeans jacket guy) walking into the hearing. He is 47 and walks with a cane.

R276 I still find myself incredulous that this nutcase got himself elected POTUS, even after all this time.

47 and has grandchildren. Hillbillies.

47 and a grandchild is reasonable. 25/22, 23/24, is reasonable. If you want true hillbilly, see Loretta Lynn: a grandmother at 29!

[quote] Mr. Ayres is a perfect representative of the great majority of Trump supporters.

Dump’s not paying any of their legal fees either, the poor slobs. All those fools who rushed the Capitol and now find themselves facing jail time, lost jobs etc- their hero is not lifting a finger to help any of them.

R279.

He did not win the election in 2016 and he expected the same grift to work in 2020.

But the grift only works when there is low voter turnout, it worked in 2001 and it worked in 2016. Too many citizens participated in the election of 2020 to grift.

"The Brooks Brothers riot was a demonstration at a meeting of election canvassers in Miami-Dade County, Florida, on November 22, 2000, during a recount of votes made during the 2000 United States presidential election, with the goal of shutting down the recount. After demonstrations and acts of violence, local officials shut down the recount early. "

[quote] their hero is not lifting a finger to help any of them.

I am sure Trump still sends them requests for funding his stop the steal though.

Donald keeps hinting that he’ll pardon everybody if they re-elect him.

Dump screamed he needed to quote find unquote a specific number of votes to win.

That language and his unhinged behavior tells you everything.

Votes are tallied, not found.

R280, the 'master race"

R285, where does he hint this these days? I forget that he has a voice anymore since he has been banned from social media.

[quote]9/11, economic meltdowns in 2001 and 08, AIDS and Covid and an insurrection, the first time in American history a peaceful transition of power was denied, all in my lifetime and I'm not even that old.

R276 - And they ALL took place under Republican administrations: Bush 2, Bush 2, Reagan, Trump, Trump.

[quote]Can a lawyer on here explain to me how Kayleigh M goes to testify under oath and tells the truth and then goes on FOX to lie?

There is no legal jeopardy involved in lying on a Fox News entertainment program, even if it contradicts your sworn testimony elsewhere.

[quote]Trump is so narcissistic he thinks he can get away with anything including witness tampering.

Why wouldn't he think he could get away with it when his entire life (corruption, sexual assault, business scheming, etc), he has?

That's why they stick to the truth in court filings and say differently on Fox. One of Sidney the crazy woman's defenses in he defamation trial is that no reasonable person would actually believe what she was saying.

Alex Jones testified to the same thing in the Sandy Hook defamation trial. Or maybe it was his divorce proceedings.

Twitter is on the blink right now. The anonymous former staff member implied Twitter didn't intervene quickly enough to stop the Trump organization from using the platform to organize J6.

[quote]Dump didn't reach the witness. The witness didn't take the call but contacted their attorney. The attorney contacted the J6 committee.

I'm sure I'm out there, but maybe the witness is Mark Meadows.

R82 was the pardon a blanket one from the beginning of time?

Ayres seems to be receiving a sympathetic reception in some circles.

Don't kid yourselves, if the coup d'état had succeeded Ayres and his Oafkeeping Betters would be our Taser slinging, goosestepping camp guards, interrogators and torturers.

Ayre's merry band of revolutionaries were defeated ( for now ) and he's got the Glums and he's sad.

R297, they're not the ones who scare me. The ones like Bill Barr and Rusty Bowers scare me more. They know what Trump did is attempt to destroy the country and they said they'd still vote for him. The people right now who are using Trump's lies to take over election results scare me more than some trash from Ohio, because they know there was no fraud and they've told the country that in fact they do put party over country even if they had a moment of clarity.

[quote]Surprise witness will be Kayleigh the Ninny. She’s trending on Twitter. She and Ivanka are apparently in cahoots.

How could that be when she did testify on tape? Cheney specifically said it was a witness we hadn't yet heard from.

R121, I had the same thought. I adore you, R120.

Where was Adam today? He got a new haircut and everything.

Datalounge, doesn't ever let me down. Dude in the tie is hideous and dataloungers are drooling.

DL got no Kinzy today so they had thirst somewhere.

R302, someone on here referenced Lillian Gish and Clara Bow, so you can imagine the average age. I'm no longer surprised by what DL will drool over.

He is hideous too, r303

I just wonder how far reaching this was? Were there people in cities all over the U.S. mobilized and ready to take the country for Trump?

Luckily, they were incompetent.

Woah, tattoo guy just said on Joy Reid he's "openly queer"

Jason Van Tatenhove on Joy just said he is queer.

[quote] As their publicist, he also had several issues with Rhodes, who did not let him write opinions he did not agree with, according to the Denver Post, including [bold]when Van Tatenhove wished to express support for the 2015 Supreme Court decision that legalized same-sex marriage.[/bold]

I beat you, R308. I don' t understand why people on here hate her so much. She is not the enemy and her show is really good. I love her interactions with the guests. She constantly makes excellent points.

LOOK, LISTEN to this. 1.5 minutes long. If it is authentic, Bannon himself is CERTAINLY going to prison for sedition:

[Quote]tattoo guy just said on Joy Reid he's "openly queer"

Well, he didn't need to say it.

How fucked up do you have to be to be queer and support white supremacists?

Yeah R309 I was typing the quote where he said he supported gay marriage when he said that, and it shocked me so much I forgot to link the article. I don't normally watch Joy but I only had it on waiting for the after hearing coverage starting at 8PM. I don't hate Joy but she does seem a little over the top sometimes. I watch way too much of MSNBC as it is, I have to get off my ass and do stuff some of the time.

Wouldn't the phone calls between Trump and Bannon be recorded?

R312, i can't tear myself away from it. This is like my Super Bowl (but obviously far more scary and serious). I can't stop watching. I mean I knew Trump was a pile of shit going back to the 80s (and I was a kid and knew people who knew him) and I have said in the past that I would bet my life that Trump would do business with the Bin Laden family ON 9/11 as the towers were coming down if it meant money in his pocket, but I cannot believe all of the people who went along with it.

Why must we "remember Benghazi" but forget about the first time in American history a sitting president refused the peaceful transition of power?

When did Maddie get so old?

^I'm sure so, R313, on White House phones. Shitler liked to use his own cell, we know. Any President / advisor privilege in the law would HAVE to be waived where the commission of a crime is concerned, and what Bannon is saying above, that Trump planned to do, is CLEARLY pure and utter TREASON. So there would be a presumption that a Judge could review the call tapes or transcripts and if they show criminal intent (as they CERTAINLY will), they would not be protected by any privilege. Locking Trump up for this may be politically VERY difficult, but I seriously expect that motherfucker Bannon could get 10-20 years in Federal prison for this if any evidence backs this up re discussions with the White House or others near it. -R310

I'm shocked by how transparent Patsy Baloney was. I never expected him to be this good. I thought he'd deny deny deny. I think establishment Republicans told him they need to purge Trump for good so they can continue with his disgusting agenda but with smarter people.

Why is Hillary Clinton, who was not an elected official at the time of the incident, responsible for Benghazi but Bush and Cheney and Rice not responsible for 9/11?

R319, projection. Always projection.

It always bothered me when Trump called Hillary "Crooked Hillary" when HE was and is the worst crook in the US.

Don't forget, r238, (almost) the first words out of her mouth: "I will never lie to you."

How come pigeon didn't have giant binders with her when she testified?

She was only following tradition Sean Spicer: 'Our intention is never to lie to you'

What about Trump and Niger, r319?

[quote]Surprise witness will be Kayleigh the Ninny.

"A witness you have not yet seen"

Wii they ever get Pence to talk? I would think his testimony would be valuable no matter how he twists it.

Mr. Ayers is your typical Magat...not too bright or articulate. They are easily swayed and brainwashed. Well....at least he showed up at the hearing and testified.

Since these Magats are so easily brainwashed why can't the Democrats have any success in brainwashing them with the facts?

R281, Loretty was closer to 35, as we now know that she lied about her age, but still...

Democrats are terrible at messaging....and trying to persuade a cult (which this is) takes more than facts to change them. They need serious deprogramming.

R281, but you assume you know the age of the grandchildren.

Chris Hayes needs to switch to decaf.

Sydney Powell giving a ridiculous answer and then immediately chugging a Dr. Pepper is a g'damn SNL skit

I recommend the computer techs blur out the brand name of the product, these crazed bitches are bad for business and democracy

She is one STUPID old bitch. It is very hard to believe that she was ever a United States Attorney. I have never met one as dumb as she is. She's got NOTHING to back up every assertion she made in her law suit(s), and her prize client won't have a fucking thing to do with her. She is fucking doomed and is going to die penniless, once Dominion gets through with her. It is exactly what she deserves for what she'd done to this country. She should be DEPORTED.

"Can I appoint her a Pepper?"

Scotus ruled corporations are people too. Stating the dominion voting systems are fraudulent is libelous.

When they mentioned that Trump was ready to declare martial law, I shouted, "FINALLY!" During his four year term, I stewed about him doing it if he didn't get his way. We were that close to being done as a free country.

Just to clarify, I wasn't happy that we finally learned he was ready to declare martial law. I was happy that someone finally admitted (somehow I doubt it was not the first time he thought about it).

We are still in the woods,r340 but when we win the midterm, we will be piece back democracy and club control from those fake ass Christians who lie all the time to get their way.

The grift they use to win close elections doesn't work when citizens vote in large numbers.

They are actively suppressing votes and using a rogue Scotus to help their cause to end democracy and install a fake ass Christian theocracy.

They really hate democracy and America worse than bin Laden ever did.

Cheney said the unheard from witness was contacted by DJT, but he or she didn’t take, or return, the call.

Now making an attempted phone call to someone (even someone who’s a witness in a federal proceeding) is not proof of witness tampering.

However, Cheney and the Committee never reveal all they know. She also said they turned “their information” over to DOJ.

Makes me think they turned over more than the mere fact of an unanswered call.

Might some sort of message been captured on the witness’s phone ? ?

Sydney looked SO fucking glamorous today, it was really incredible.

Dump has no reason to contact any witness. If he has something to say, he needs to say it under oath.

[quote] Cheney said the unheard from witness was contacted by DJT, but he or she didn’t take, or return, the call.

If you listen closely Cheney said the person did not answer the call from Trump but called their attorney who contacted the committee. So Trump never talked to the person so no crime could have been committed.

Maybe Trump left a message.

Po’ ole Sidney. Trump didn’t want her around. She’s no Miss Łindzebelle.

Maybe Trump left a threat.

He's not that stupid, R349. It's more likely he went overboard the other way. Ridiculous praise.

r346, it is all about intent. Do you think Trump was calling to exchange Christmas card lists?

The only thing worse than Dr. Pepper is Diet Dr. Pepper. Gross.

That whole thing sounds rather mafioso.

[quote]He's not that stupid, [R349].

Oh honey. He threatens people in public all the time. It all gets couched in mob boss language.

R353, he's a guy from Queens who has dealt with shady types his entire life. You can't be surprised it's how he operates.

He's trash. Always.

R354, I assure you, he's not stupid enough to outright threaten someone over the phone in this situation. He'd say "I always thought you were really the best and very loyal."

Roseanne Barr must play Sydney in the movie.

I want that extreme Trump asskisser Meadows to get his. In Cassidy's testimony he came across as a stupid, do-nothing waste of space.

I’m still trying to figure out how Decendant’s guy identifies as queer.

You don't need to boycott Overstock. The guy is the *former* CEO, who resigned in 2019 when he admitted to having an affair to Russian honeypot Maria Butina.

Granted, the current CEO seems plenty repellent, but he's not seditious as far as I can tell.

I heard it a couple of times again today, and it really pisses me off. This line:

“We didn’t find sufficient voter fraud to sway the election.”

All of these Republican stooges have been coached to say this. How about saying there was relatively NO voter fraud found. Or what was found was Trump supporters voting twice through dead parents.

This is a concerted effort to still make the public believe there is a voter fraud problem which needs to be “fixed” through voter restrictions. Why doesn’t the committee call them out on this bullshit??

R306, but do you understand they're like the raptors testing the fence to find the weakness. If nothing is done, we are fucked, because the current GOP is now shoring up control at the local/state level. They're taking over election boards and school boards. I don't think these hearings will make a difference in the long run because the Republican Party is vigilant in their deviance.

R361, the god damned poster child for Republicans shrieking about voter fraud was a deplorable who claimed someone voted for his dead wife. It was HIM.

[quote]If you listen closely Cheney said the person did not answer the call from Trump but called their attorney who contacted the committee. So Trump never talked to the person so no crime could have been committed.

So if a bank robber can't actually break into the vault, it's not a crime?

R361, language is important because that is how they won elections in 2000 and 2016.

If this terrorist organization could have found sufficient voter fraud, they would have pulled the same tricks they pulled back in 2000 and 2016 to put the big orange bitch back in office and we would be finished as a society.

FINISHED.

And there was voter fraud committed, see below for details.

I want all those Congressmen expelled. Along with Raccoon Cancun Ted, Prissy Missy Hawley and Wham Bam Miss Lindseybelle Graham.

In order for Trump to have carried out a successful coup he would have had to have had the US military behind him, and I just couldn’t see the Pentagon throwing itself behind that incompetent, unstable old motherfucker. Even if Trump had managed to put some asslickers in charge, individuals in the armed forces aren’t obligated to follow orders that are clearly illegal.

lol "Dr. Pepper" is trending now on twitter

not exactly the product placement or reason to trend that the company wants, I'm sure

personally I always thought it tasted like shit

Is Flynn or Stone the swinger?

Language indicates intent.

"I will never lie to you"= "I ain't bothering to tell the truth either, sukkas".

They don't tally or count votes.

They find votes or instances of voter fraud sufficient enough to contest election results.

This whole fake democracy thing is just a big nuisance when you want to be in charge by any means necessary.

[quote] Roseanne Barr must play Sydney in the movie.

Excuse me? This is going to be a highly reputable Ryan Murphy production!

[quote]The only thing worse than Dr. Pepper is Diet Dr. Pepper. Gross.

r352

I hope next week we get to see video taped testimony from Kimberly Guilfoyle. Hard as it is to remember but she was once deputy AG of Los Angeles. I want to see her having answer honestly under oath

I'm the surprise witness gays!

I would love to see a video of Sidney Powell wearing her leopard print sweater, dancing and singing "I'm a pepper he's a pepper she's a pepper we're a pepper wouldn't you like to a pepper too"

I don't see why the committee wouldn't show part of Guilfoyle's testimony since she was with the family on Jan 6. She also was part of the money-raising scheme. Does she want to go down with them? She knows it's illegal

Language is important. Four scoutus justices,mostly God fearing Christian types raised their hand to affirm Roe as settled law. Once installed, they spent the last two years specifically undoing settled precedent.

Technically, they did not lie. They um. Danced.

God understands when they lie,cheat and steal. Because they are not lying, they are dancing.

GOD UNDERSTANDS WHEN YOU SHIMMY AND SHAKE YOUR STALE ASS ON HIS BEHALF, KIM R374

R377 but when you lie to save the babies, God smiles on you, in their mind.

God saves the babies so they can grow up to be children who get shot in schools.

I started watching Unprecedented on Discovery+ and it made me sick just listening to that family. I couldn’t watch it. They’re just the worst family. I would especially love to throat punch Ivanka. She’s such a slimy sleazy cunt.

Revoking access to abortion doesn't save babies and it doesn't prevent abortion.

They are too busy crotch sniffing and dancing around the law to understand this.

Trump and his 3 oldest kids all belong in jail

I would never watch that documentary. If there's anything relevant to the Jan 6 investigation then ok it has some usefulness but if it's just about "access", count me out

R372, I only drink carbonated, unsweetened tea, so Dr. Pepper and all of the other soft drinks akin to it are gross to me.

carbonated tea?

Yes, R384. Company started by someone who worked for Marc Jacobs. I'm addicted to it.

Stating election results from the Dominion Voting System are fraudulent without proof is libelous.

Fox News has repeatedly reported that the results of the 2020 elections were fraud

R386 and Dominion's defamation suit against them is proceeding just as it did with One America "News" and "News"Maxx

since the lawsuit was announced, Fox got smarter as its hosts and commentators no longer mention Dominion by name. Now they just often reference "voting irregularities" in a vague sense. Keep in mind it's already baked into the mushy minds of their viewers so further details (aka facts of which there are none) aren't necessary.

[quote]Stephen Miller was dredged up. He was unable to sit up straight during the recorded deposition

Because he more accustomed to hanging upside down.

I think Polly Holliday would be the perfect one to play batshit Kraken lady. That is, if she's still with us.

No, Kathy Bates.

[quote]Ali Alexander (who is very close to Roger Stone)

It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out Ali fucked Stones' wife while Stone watched.

Stone's*

Here are the 11 House Republicans who were at the meeting, according to the White House visitor logs obtained by the January 6 panel:

Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama

Rep. Brian Babin of Texas

Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona

Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida

Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas

Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona

Rep. Andy Harris of Maryland

Rep. Jody Hice of Georgia

Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio

Rep. Scott Perry of Pennsylvania

Rep.-elect Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia

The committee previously shared a number of Republicans who sought pardons from Trump in the final days of his administration. Six of the attendees of the December 21, 2020, meeting — Biggs, Brooks, Gaetz, Gohmert, Greene, and Perry — sought pardons.

They didn't invite the cripple or Ted Cruz's hooker?

My question is if all of this plotting and planning was happening in plain sight,

WHERE THE EFF WAS THE FBI and NSA?

Why would a representative-elect, like Greene be invited to a meeting like that.

R396...

R245, that witness Ayres was obviously a stupid person. He seems regretful now. Maybe too selfish to understand how much pain he caused, but at least sorry he got caught. That’s something at least. These people are honestly stupid and not logical or rational thinkers, combined with selfish and entitled and that’s just the worst possible combination. The only explanation for how someone could blindly follow Trump without question is they loved his cruelty. He has no other notable features.

On CNN tonight, they interviewed some of the officers in the room today. One said he didn’t feel sorry for him when he said he lost his job and was going to lose his house, and his life would never be the same and seemed to invite pity. The officer said he was texting officer Brian Sicknick’s widow during his statement. She was pissed as hell.

Ivanka Trump perjured herself in her deposition and the @January6thCmte just used video testimony of her own Chief of Staff to point it out.

We saw devastating evidence against Trump and powerful testimony from witnesses Van Tatenhove and Ayres about the meaning of the Big Lie and extremist propaganda. Trump’s “American carnage” on full display.

I don't understand the bullshit that Trump can't be indicted because it's unprecedented. What he did was unprecedented. So WTF should any old rules apply to this terrorist scum who had zero respect for EVERYTHING the US and its laws stand for. You can't apply "tradition" to someone who spit, shit and set fire to tradition.

Why do all of these fucking "master race" people look like they were defrosted by an archeologist?

I'm #AlexJones' ex-wife, & I lost my kids for exposing infowars, even while he was under subsequent Federal Investigation.

I have insider info that I believe is relevant to the #January6thCommitteeHearings.

Pls share

[quote]Sydney looked SO fucking glamorous today, it was really incredible.

Did she release the Kraken?

What's up with Alex Jones' wife?

Jamie Raskin made me cry in his beautiful closing statement.

R121, thanks! And, indeed, R406.

Warning possibly tl;dr category:

Yesterday when i finished @my local urgent care (dx:strep throat, baby!) and returned home, walked in the front door and 1st thing i saw was Rep. Murphy's tiny deep red bow of a mouth. So, yeah very Bow-ish/Gish-esque.

Been here a VERY long time, and some of you guys are generally familiar with my posts/style...and thank God for you, because my brain's just wired that way. I'm forever seeing/hearing/reading things to which I start seeing parallels. EVERYWHERE. Drove my students mad/exasperated/entertained for 3+ decades. Same with the friends I used to have.

So Datalounge has been my rescue; plus where else could I make a Clara Bow/Lillian Gish reference without seeing the virtual eyes glaze over...virtually.

Which led to my 2nd observation @R260: Jamie Raskin's hair that took me right back to my idyllic childhood where I learned to read at 2 years old; and I loved loved loved our [italic]Child Craft[/italic] and [italic]World Book[/italic] sets. Love them still. And at least my 4 older siblings totally get THOSE reference!

I do love Rep. Raskin's passion and intelligence.

And I am wishin', hopin', prayin' we have the resolve and balls to turn this country around, so all kids CAN have childhoods like mine: instilled love of reading, loving and engaged parents' appreciation of intellect and learning styles, encouraging didactic and dialectical learning, and especily autodidacticism; forbearance, and Sooooooo much love for my country.

I do what I can....but I am SO happy I never had children.

Thanks, DL.

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Meanwhile over the NYT, they are crafting new stories about how increasing evidence of Trump's criminal behavior is bad for Biden and decreasing his poll numbers

the nyt is responsible for normalizing an unsuitable POTUS candidate whose term in office has diminished the standing of the United States as a world power and destabilized our democratic principles.

Hillary had plenty of baggage, but that baggage comes with experience.

Clinton served as first Lady for eight years during a period of expansive economic growth, 8 years as NYS Senator and as Secretary of state.

It was insulting to have someone so accomplished compete with the host of The Apprentice for the highest seat in the land.

Dump didn't belong on stage with Clinton as a serious candidate for the position, he has no accomplishments other than be born wealthy.

Biden maybe old and infirm.

Biden may have low poll numbers.

But American citizens knew better than to put his predecessor back into office to finish off the American democratic experiment.

Why does the NYTs hate America?

At one point, Patsy Baloney stated that the reason he didn't attend a meeting was privileged. It was one of those raging, planning meetings. What could possibly be privileged about the reason for not attending a meeting? Especially when there was no privilege between him and anyone in that meeting?

One thing I'm worried about with all of this is that it will make it completely impossible for the Democrats to actually protest a future stolen election. What happens when some red states decide to send false electors again or break their own laws in 2024 and fail to declare the popular vote winner in their state the winner if it's Biden? What if there are elector shenanigans and Kamala Harris really can't certify the electors because of legitimate cheating in some states? I know, we're supposed to count on the courts but these states are changing their laws and the Supreme Court may give the states complete control of this in their next session.

The whole thing where the Repugs keep saying, "We didn't find enough evidence of voter fraud that it would have changed the outcome." instead of the truth of them not having found any voter fraud (except by Repugs, of course), seems to be setting up that state-level narrative. We all know the Repugs project their crimes with their own accusations. That being the case, they are now free to cheat because no Democrat can ever, ever call out that actual cheating without having "but you always said we had the most secure elections".

^ I suspect the White House lawyer’s claim of “privilege” is based on his not being at liberty to say that the then personification of the White House (TFG) told him to “get the fuck out of the room.”

No fear.

Nazis did not win the first time around and won't win now.

I had a big laugh watching the hearing yesterday when Congresswoman Lesko accused ANTIFA for the chaos of J6.

White wingers don't know what ANTIFA stands for and they don't want to know.

[quote] On CNN's "New Day," correspondent Kristin Holmes reported that Donald Trump has been "riveted" by the televised hearings being conducted by the House select committee looking into the Jan 6th insurrection and that he has been badgering friends and aides about how he is coming across in them.

[quote] Speaking with host John Berman, Holmes also stated that Trump's inner circle is worried he is obsessing over the hearings when they would prefer that he be concentrating on the upcoming midterm elections.

[quote] "Trump is always watching, we are told, riveted, according to new CNN reporting," host Berman began. "Trump was particularly angry after hearing his former staffers and White House counsel."

[quote] Asking Holmes, "What have you learned?" she replied, "We've heard he's always following these hearings and that's much to the chagrin of those around him who would hope that he would focus on the November midterms."

[quote] "But behind closed doors he's always talking about these hearings, asking those around him how they think they're playing out," she continued. "In his speeches and rallies he prattles on about the committee, attacking them; his social media page is a never-ending rant, essentially just attacking leaders of the committee and even talking about more obscure members of the committee and interviews they do on cable news."

[quote] "So clearly here focusing very heavily on this. One of his biggest gripes, being still that none of these witnesses are being cross-examined and he feels he doesn't have anyone defending him, particularly after yesterday's hearing," she added. "He's not the only one focused on this. We also heard from a source close to Roger Stone who told us that Stone is watching these hearings very carefully because he believes, quote, 'the committee is trying to put him in peril.'"

Just look how TINY his motherfucking hands are in that photo above...LOL.

Please remember that Congress had two opportunities to remove Trump after impeachment—the proper method of dealing with a disgraced president—and were blocked both times by Republicans. So it’s not as though Democrats have been just sitting on their hands all this time.

R416, and that's why we can't allow the term "Team Normal" to be normalized. There is no team normal on the Republican side with the exception of Cheney and Kinziger and any lawyers helping the 1/6 committee like John Wood who was a (R) and is now running as an (I) for the senate seat in MO.

Even many of the lawyers representing witnesses are former Trump lawyers and/or Republican lawyers. Every fucking one of them has done their part to enable the dismantling of this nation and are now trying to help the ones directly involved in Trump's lies/policies over the years, get away with their roles.

It's all so toxic.

[quote]R417: There is no team normal on the Republican side with the exception of Cheney and Kinziger and any lawyers helping the 1/6 committee like John Wood who was a (R) and is now running as an (I) for the senate seat in MO.

Those aren't 'Team Normal' either. Save in the context of bringing the Trump fascists to justice, Cheney, Kinzinger and the lot are themselves still unacceptable as hell, as what one might characterize as 'pre-Trump deplorables.' We cannot allow extremism to re-set our standards.

I certainly don't expect a lot out of the "never Trumper" type of Repugs, but it's surprising how strong a "liberalizing" effect often happens when people come directly into contact with the kind of mindless, brute thugishness of the Trump "mindset." It is usually pretty *educational* for them. We'll see what happens.

R418, I'm not saying Cheney and Kinziger are normal insofar as their political ideology, only in wanting to hold Trump and his enablers accountable for what they have done. All of his lies.

Look, we've always had conservatives and believe me, I loathe Cheney in every other way imaginable, but trying to take him down and not normalize this anti-democratic behavior, puts those two on "Team Normal."

Raskin himself said that he hopes to get back to arguing with Cheney on political policy. She is now being unseated with help of the very asshole who first mentioned "team Normal." Stepien is working for the MAGAt who is running against Cheney. The audacity of that parasite calling himself "Team Normal" as he continues to enable MAGAt bullshit.

It’s sad when being on “Team Normal” just means you’re not a traitor.

R339, corporations were the first trans!

[quote]I want that extreme Trump asskisser Meadows to get his. In Cassidy's testimony he came across as a stupid, do-nothing waste of space.

Can a lawyer explain why he won't testify when it's already obvious he's guilty? Wouldn't it help him with a plea deal if he cooperates? And his lawyer had the audacity to say he could easily take down Hutchinson's testimony in a 5-min CE.

1. I have no idea why Meadows' testimony is on any kind of voluntary basis. Perhaps he's invoked a legal privilege as Trump's former adviser. I don't know. It hasn't worked very well for ole Steve Bannon as of now.

2. NO ONE has thusfar debunked a word of what Cassidy Hutchinson testified to. If they could have, they WOULD have, way over a week ago, before the July 4th holiday weekend. Cipollone did not contradict her. She told the truth.

Meadows is a lying cunt. Remember when he screamed during that one hearing years ago about being immune from racism accusations because he had a black nephew?

Trump’s inner circle increasingly views Meadows as a likely fall guy for the former president’s attempts to overturn the 2020 election. Members of Trump’s legal team are actively planning certain strategies around Meadows’ downfall — including possible criminal charges. Trump has himself begun the process of distancing himself from some of his onetime senior aide’s alleged actions around Jan. 6.

Meadows’ already bleak legal prospects could get even worse. Rolling Stone has learned that the Jan. 6 committee has been quietly probing his financial dealings, and any new revelations would add to an already long list of unethical and potential illegal actions he’s accused of taking on behalf of Donald Trump.

[quote]“Mark is gonna get pulverized…and it’s really sad,” predicts one of Trump’s current legal advisers.

Odd, I don't feel any sadness at all at the prospect.

Say what you want about Kinzinger and Cheney, but I don't see any Democrats risking their political lives to nail Trump and his band of neo-nazis.

Ideologues are so fucking tedious.

▲ R428 doesn't know how the American political system works.

[quote]I don't see any Democrats risking their political lives to nail Trump and his band of neo-nazis.

What would you like to see them do? Be specific.

I'm assuming a dream ballet, r430.

R426, just two weeks ago they had Eastman as the fall guy. Now, in view of what the hearings have shown, they need to recast that role with a bigger name.

Damn yer eyes, R411, et al. Never saw them but listened to all of both impeachment trials cuz I'm always in the damned kitchen, housecleaning, or in my car (thank goodness I have SiriusXM). So had no idea what Cippolline looked like...

So....

Every fucking time I see your "Patsy Baloney" appellation, I see DL's favorite dyke Patsy Kelly's adorable rubber face. In a natty pinstripe suit.

Damn ye!

In all I believe 70 people went to jail for Wategate. This included the Attorney General, John Mitchell, and I think Richard Kleindienst, Deputy AG. John Dean went to jail, as did Haldeman and Elichmann. They were Whitee House advisors, Chuck Colson, also a WH advisor went to jail. At the time of his testimony, Dean had resigned as the White House Counsel. The position Pat Cippolini held under Trump

This was so much wose. At the very least, Trump, Rudy, Bannon, Stephen Miller, Flynn and Eastman as well as Sidney Powell and Roger fucking Stone ought to go to prison for a substantial period. Certainly not less than 5-10 years. As for that guy Ayres who lost his job, etc? I do not feel one ounce of pity for him. I was disgusted with him trying to apologize to the cops, like, "Oops, sorry!" will erase the damage that was done by him and thousands of others. He is typical of all these loonies who do not trust the media so they "do their own research" and get caught up with the fake news and conspiracy theories. They are predisposed to believe that shit because they don't like Gays or Black people or "liberals."

He had no reluctance to march on the Capitol. He could see what the mob was doing. At no time did he look around him and say, "Damn. This is not cool. I'm out!" No. He went into the Capitol. We have seen the footage. We have seen what those cops were dealing with. He was part of that. He ought to be made an example of. Lost his job, his home, and he is going to jail?(Not sure about the jail part.) People died that day. Hundreds were permanently injured. And the people who worked in the Capitol were in fear for their lives. So fuck M. Ayres.

[quote] Rolling Stone has learned that the Jan. 6 committee has been quietly probing his financial dealings, and any new revelations would add to an already long list of unethical and potential illegal actions he’s accused of taking on behalf of Donald Trump.

R426, this is interesting because Madison Cawthorn’s father worked at the Edward Jones investment firm used by Meadows, though the father claims he didn’t handle Meadows’s accounts.

[quote]She’s no Miss Łindzebelle.

Is that Lindsey Graham’s Polish cousin, R348?

Pronounced “Win-je-beh-wa”

[quote]R302: Datalounge, doesn't ever let me down. Dude in the tie is hideous and dataloungers are drooling.

I called attention to him at R223, not because I thought he was attractive, but because he was pulling faces during Van Tatenhove's testimony. I was curious who the fuck he was, and why he was positioned behind a witness in full view of the camera.

To me, he looks like Stephen Miller, but with hair.

That Rolling Stone piece above is fantastic. The Trumpies are gonna try to lay the blame for ALL OF IT on Mark Meadows, widely seen in DC as deeply stupid. This will of course cause Meadows to bring forth EVERYTHING he knows about Shitler. They all should have seen that this scenario was inevitable from the day the riot happened. Perhaps the Congressional Committee has seen this coming and so has not put the squeeze on Meadows YET. He is in BIG fucking trouble. HE is going to jail.

^Hmm, I wonder if that had any bearing on Cassidy's testimony and her break from Camp Trump: she realized that they were trying to pin it all on Mark (and by extension, her too) and realized that she'd better get out while she still could.

Those Watergate felons, the ones that are still alive, must be thinking, damn! we went to jail for a pissant break in? These assholes committed treason.

Great piece in Rolling Stone - interesting theory on twitter about Meadows silence.

Meadow needs to turn. Why would he take a bullet for Trump? Or is he that brainwashed? One would hope with all the revelations he would jump on the truth/reality bandwagon. Even if it's just to save his own ass.

R441, but the reason I question that theory about cooperation is that Meadows' lawyer almost immediately tried to discredit Hutchinson's testimony.

R440, as others have pointed out: Thank God FOX didn't exist back then because they probably never would've gone to prison.

It's sad that lying has become the norm. I remember when the news was just the news. Fox, and their kind, are shit.

R441, also don't forget Meadows being the conduit for Trump to contact Hutchinson about "loyalty." It would be odd if he were a witness as he was threatening other witnesses on behalf of Trump.

It just occurred to me that Bill Clinton was "brought down" (so to speak), by the testimony of a 20-something woman who had no business working in the White House, and now, 25 years later, Trump may be brought down by the testimony of a 20-something woman who had no business working in the White House.

Same song, second verse.

There is a brief similarity, but the massive severity and number of crimes committed by Trump is a far cry from any of Clinton's indiscretions.

R447, that's like comparing jaywalking to mass murder. The attack on Clinton was politically-motivated. You had the right-wing looking for any way they could to take down Clinton based on disliking his policies.

Trump has done some thing that goes beyond politics. He's a god damned junta.

something*

Does anyone know when these people from out of town testify before Congress, do they have to find their way there on their own dime, or does Congress pay for their travel and lodging?

Stephen Ayres lost his job and his house, described himself as a common working man who was a cabinet maker, yet he and his wife traveled to from Northeast Ohio to DC, I am assuming stayed there at least for one night, just wondering who pays for that. Not complaining just wondering.

The tax payer hon

I'd rather know who paid to bus in all the rioters on Jan 6th.

Why has Chuck Grassley's name not come up?

[quote]R453: I'd rather know who paid to bus in all the rioters on Jan 6th.

We KNOW:

^(Sending Little Richard's mojo out to arrest her)

Yes, let's thinking about who got the "billing" for those buses...

think*

Well played, R458.

All 50 state Republican party organizations were involved in fundraising, organizing transportation and housing, and recruiting participants for the 1/6 mess. In many red states there was direct coordination with local militia groups, Oathkeepers and Proud boys. The MAGA Trumpers who had infiltrated state GOP organizations were especially aggressive, thuggish pigs who also engaged in voter intimidation while working on state political campaigns. The GOP members of Congress knew the same people who ran their campaigns and donated to them were also a part of 1/6. You can thank Roger Stone for that efficiency. It is what he does and has done since the late 60's as one of Nixon's minions. It was a no brainer since the state Trump campaign organizations were still available following the November election.

Secret Service erased text messages from January 5 and 6, 2021 -- after oversight officials asked for them, watchdog says

The Committee is considering subpoening Trump. Yes, please!

The entire committee (all nine of them) met with Pelosi tonight.

Something's up.

Damn r464. I wonder… I mean, maybe they were updating her but I can’t see why it would involve the whole committee.

Maybe it's about the SS situation.

Nancy always brings the receipts. Shit's gonna get really good now.

[quote]Damn [R464]. I wonder… I mean, maybe they were updating her but I can’t see why it would involve the whole committee.

They've sent her written updates, but have never met with her before. Certainly not all of them at once.

Also, doing it at 6PM on a Thursday seems like more than just an update. Even if it was something about them wanting to extend the hearings into the fall, that would presumably just required Thompson and Cheney at most.

Merrick Garland also needs to prosecute Dump or get off the pot. And why the fuck hasn't Meadows been charged yet?

VOTN, you old fart! Good to see you!!! Don't be a stranger.

The secret service is deleting evidence

How deep and tentacled does the rot get?

It's bad.

Michael Beschloss @BeschlossDC In December 2019, Trump tweeted that Secret Service Assistant Director Anthony Ornato would become his Deputy Chief of Staff. For Trump to name a Secret Service official to that job, especially on eve of reelection campaign, was abnormal and should have been alarming red flag.

In a sea of red flags, people had given up.

The red flag was the moment Trump -a known birther- was not immediately isolated and removed from his TV show. The media continued to give him a platform to spread his toxic bullshit. The next red flag was when he became the front runner immediately because of his racist and bigoted comments. The party gravitated to him because that's who they had always been and he gave them permission to be loud and proud in their hate.

[quote]And why the fuck hasn't Meadows been charged yet?

Why isn't anyone asking the DOJ outright? It's obvious they aren't doing anything in secret because his lawyer would know and wouldn't have immediately gone after Hutchinson's testimony.

Michael Beschloss @BeschlossDC According to its website, Ornato has gone from being Trump Deputy Chief of Staff back to Secret Service as Assistant Director and is at this moment overseeing "required training and professional development for all Secret Service personnel." Please, what is going on here?

Michael Beschloss @BeschlossDC · 1h Replying to @BeschlossDC According to Secret Service website, Ornato, as Trump Deputy Chief of Staff, oversaw Air Force One, Presidential helicopters "and Presidential Continuity Policy, Plans and Requirements." Essential to discover what Ornato's role was, if any, in planning/execution of Jan. 6 attack.

Poor pathetic Mike Pence must be a [italic]Goodfellas[/italic] fan.

He wasn't about to go "right around that corner" and get Karen'd.

For Garland to let all this evidence and testimony go to waste would be a travesty.

This is why Kamala Harris should have been AG instead of VP. Her DOJ would have been all over this already.

[quote]The entire committee (all nine of them) met with Pelosi tonight.

[quote]Something's up.

Does anyone have a link for this?

( I believe it. I just want to read more and my google has failed.)

R481 That's very interesting. She would have been an aggressive, effective AG. And, ironically, moving on all these matters successfully would have set her up better for 2024 (if Biden decides not to run) than her performance as VP.

Ah, hindsight is perfect.

Rep. Jamie Raskin Details What To Expect During Nest Primetime Jan. 6 Hearing

Poor Jamie needs to do something with his hair.

R485 Absolutely. Folks are just so blind about their own appearance. He has good bone structure in general. Just cutting it all very short would help.

He is, perhaps, the best public speaker in congress. He reminds me of Gov Cuomo (the father, not the sleazeball son) - able to be eloquent and have that eloquence make the message MORE available to Average Joe, not less.

[quote]To me, he looks like Stephen Miller, but with hair.

I HAVE HAIR YOU FUCKING CUNTS!

What's up with Handsy Andy these days?

Jamie Raskin is a mensch and a brilliant legal mind.

With terrible hair.

Can't have it all.

As someone who has worked in legal and been through mounds of discovery documents, text messages being deleted does not mean they're not recoverable. The act of deleting itself is an attempt to erase evidence (spoliation), which should be prosecuted, but those messages can be retrieved, and should be retrieved.

[quote](spoliation),

I know all about this. I do it every night before bed.

It’s important to have smooth skin.

R491 Or sounds like some little known sex practice.

"My husband revealed he wanted to experiment with spoliation, but it was a non-starter for me."

I no longer do it. I'm an exspoliator.

There needs to be DL set-up go fund me for Raskin’s hair.

He’s a brilliant, righteous man, but it who can focus on that when it looks like his hair is equal parts grease and shoe black.

Just needs it shorter. I have a similar hair type, lousy. Coarse and wispy. Shorter hair is neater.

Since everyone is weighing in on Raskin’s hair, I have to say I don’t mind it. It’s not stylish, for sure, but it reminds me, if not in color but style, of a hairstyle that the founders would have worn like Hamilton or Jefferson.

R492, or worse, something you need to see a proctologist for:

“Honey, your ass has some spoliation. I made an appointment with Dr. Hurtz.”

Do his ads say "Let Hurtz put you in the driver's seat...", r497?

House Republicans are plotting revenge on the select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection.

Republican sources say there have been discussions about subpoenaing members of the select committee, particularly Liz Cheney Adam Kinzinger.

Other investigative ideas under consideration among House Republicans include establishing their own select committee -- or repurposing the current one -- to investigate matters such as Speaker Nancy Pelosi's role in Capitol security enforcement on January 6, 2021; the intelligence and security failures surrounding that day; and the treatment of the rioters who have been jailed for their role in the insurrection.

REFUGS digging in with their cha-cha heels. ReFugs being ReFugs.

[quote]R490: As someone who has worked in legal and been through mounds of discovery documents, text messages being deleted does not mean they're not recoverable. The act of deleting itself is an attempt to erase evidence (spoliation), which should be prosecuted, but those messages can be retrieved, and should be retrieved.

It has been claimed that these texts were deleted only incidentally as part of a program to update all of the equipment, which they say had been planned well before the OIG requests to preserve the Jan 5/6 texts, and that it wasn't on purpose. °–°

If the equipment was replaced, it's possible that they're not recoverable. Nonetheless, they're trying.

[quote] It has been claimed that these texts were deleted only incidentally as part of a program to update all of the equipment, which they say had been planned well before the OIG requests to preserve the Jan 5/6 texts, and that it wasn't on purpose.

Bullshit.

Not even a believable excuse

R502, I believe them. Just like I believed them when those same assholes immediately tried to discredit Hutchinson, because it's perfectly logical to take the word of anonymous people who clearly were deplorables, saying things anonymously and not under oath, to challenge someone who is risking her life and was willing to go under oath.

Jamie Raskin's son committed suicide right before 1/6. Him taking on this committee role just proves what a mensch he is, a lesser person would've been crippled with grief but he's doing the right thing for the country.

If the GOP regains the House there is NO WAY Kevin McCarthy will willingly give up his shot at Speaker. The question is will he have enough support to fend off a challenge from Trump or a Trump suppoted challenge.

The best thing trending on Twitter today was "Major Biden." Because he had a habit of biting SS.

I love this 😂:

JudgeYouHarshly · 11h "A reminder that Major Biden was taken out of the White House because he was aggressive towards Secret Service agents. He knew."

Dogs are sensitive to things that have gone bad and stink.

[quote] Jamie Raskin's son committed suicide right before 1/6. Him taking on this committee role just proves what a mensch he is, a lesser person would've been crippled with grief but he's doing the right thing for the country.

In multiple ways, R504

[quote] If the GOP regains the House there is NO WAY Kevin McCarthy will willingly give up his shot at Speaker.

I think if they get the House, Elise Stefanik will have McCarthy suicided so she can be speaker.

If the GOP takes the house, Trump will be named speaker. SCOTUS will overturn the 2020 election results, and the Civil War predicted will finally break out. Date/Time-stamp this entry!.

R504 He focused all that is unacceptable on Trump. I thank him for it.

I knew it^

Michael Cohen said Trump rarely if ever makes phone calls himself, so if he is personally calling people he is 'melting down':

"Donald Trump never changes his playbook," Cohen told The Washington Post. "He behaves like a mob boss, and these messages are fashioned in that style. Giving an order without giving the order. No fingerprints attached."

Wouldn't a government agency have text messages sent while on the job stored somewhere as part of a regular back-up process? I know of businesses that do that, so why not the DHS, which manages the Secret Service?

Garland has failed to be pro-active with any of this. I am tired of hearing all the excuses for his inaction and what a professional government server he is. If he is too wimpy and/or lazy for the task at hand, he needed to have resigned many months ago. If he is personally opposed to prosecuting top Republicans for alleged federal crimes, he needs to step aside. If he is worried about the political aftermath resulting from filing indictments, that is not suppose to be his primary focus. Go when the evidence leads.

Completely making digital information go away is possible, but it's EXTREMELY difficult. Also requires cooperation among all the organizations in possession of the data.

So if it is gone-gone that could be more damning than anything else? Like the missing 18 and a half minutes on the Nixon tapes?

I saw some discussion last night that said the SS agents were supposed to be backing up their messages as part of procedure but many did not. Don’t know if that’s just cover for if/when they can’t recover anything.

I believe nothing they have to say. They never even reported the incident in the car when they were supposed to do so.

[quote]that is not suppose to be

Oh, dear!

[quote]Like the missing 18 and a half minutes on the Nixon tapes?

I was leaning to answer the phone!!

For 18 1/2 minutes.

NEXT HEARING ➡️ Thursday, July 21st at 8:00pm ET

Adam will be chairing the next committee! Must see tv.

FU shut-in troll @ 522.

The Capitol was under attack.

What did the president do?

Show Leadership?

Defend the Constitution?

Uphold his oath?

Nothing but watch it burn.

^EXACTLY. And had a DEMOCRAT done that, a lynch mob of Republicans would have approached the White House and tried to haul HIM out and hang him, very quickly.

R525 we will need to see some skin. Please and thank you.

She may have the vapors.

She changed her mind.

I want to personally open up to Adam Kinzinger

Is there a new thread for tonight?

The January 6 Hearings Part 5B.

5B

Here's one

Not C.

C is for cunting magats

So much to cover.

Mrs. Betty Bowers

[quote] OK, let's cut the important stuff: Who is the super cute guy behind Matthew Pottinger's left shoulder?