FTM health risks

*conversion I mean. Not conversation.

Let them Die

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Typically stupid trans/mental illness thread.

Is there a large ftm audience here?

y'all are seriously late to the game, you know.

You know, the height of the trender invasion was a decade ago... they were anti-dysphoria and the prevalent belief was "T makes you gay"

which many think it was a backlash carry over from their former incarnation... which was tr8 girls that believed they were str8 girls but believed they were only attracted to gay men. (they weren't as well versed in fujoshi yet)

the trender non binary, otherkin, therian, heradcannon, headmates, self diagnosing scene.... then moved onto being trans feminists - proud and clueless sjws.

the reason why you're all so paranoid and obsessed with this is... you picked up a rock and found life below. And now you're all the creepy crawlies feasting on the muck unable to discern moss from utter shit because it all tastes the same to you.

Yes because of all the synthetic hormones they pump into their bodies.

after the gay 90s, hiv/aids was more manageable, both the right and left united for a purity pledge...

maybe you can shift your pederastic obsession to a southern cotillion..

or take up James Dobson from focus on the family's advice on escaping the lgbt agenda and take showers with your kids, let them see your gentials, really ram it in their faces, so they identify you and them as the proper sex,

r5 r7 r8

Story of Ronnie Paris below. The dad was homophobic; the 3 year old was not meeting his idea of masculine gender stereotypes.

And yes, I know FTMs seem to have less of a voice. I’m not FTM, I’m androgynous and anti-surgery, XX. I post here a lot because it’s hard to get past the politicalization elsewhere and the way subject searches come up on the internet there’s a political divide. And that includes media over-coverage of certain criminal behavior and under-coverage of other criminal behavior (like straight men abusing girls).

Speaking of straight men abusing girls, see the article in the link.

R2, who are you, a mass murderer? That’s your contribution to an ethical discussion, is “let them die”? E Pluribus Unum, from many, one - that’s what’s supposed to define us. Diversity, human rights, and not forcing anyone to do anything.

OP, there is a huge difference between small kids who were transitioned by their parents (Jazz Jennings) and adults who made the decision to transition (Shapeshifter). They can't be compared.

Children who were transitioned by their parents have many barriers that prevent them from detransitioning.

First, they were brainwashed as very small children so they didn't experience a significant period of time living as their birth sex.

Second, their entire families are often invested in them being a transgender. Detransitioning would mean placing blame on parents who likely experienced severe criticism from friends and family for transitioning their kid. These parents may see themselves as having made sacrifices for their kids. Also, many of these parents see themselves as saviors and advocates of "trans" kids. This may have become their primary identity.

Third, in the U.S., the oldest of these child transitioners are only about the age of Jazz Jennings who is now 21. This means these child transitioners are still often financially independent on their parents.

Fourth, their parents have created an unhealthy codependent relationships with these children who were convinced since their earliest years that they had a medical condition that needed treatment and that their parents were helping them to cure it. The children were exposed to the idea that outsiders meant them harm because they wanted to deny them this needed medical care.

Fifth, the drugs the parents gave these kids stunted their mental and social development like it did for Jazz Jennings. This makes them more dependent on their parents and isolated from the world around them.

Sixth, the parents and the doctors who treated these kids have a vested interest in making sure the kid never comes to the conclusion that they were horribly mistreated. The parents and doctors will work together to make sure the kids don't ever think of detransitioning.

You're hearing from detransitioners like Shapeshifter because the medical establishment takes adult detransitioners in quick and throws them away just as fast. There are no parents involved in the process.

But unlike adult detransitioners like Shapeshifter, Jazz has been cared for by gender doctors and gender facilities for almost his entire life. He has basically been a science experiment since he was 5.

It doesn't make sense that Shapeshifter has problems like scoliosis, osteoporosis, a 1-inch tunnel, etc. but Jazz doesn't. Jazz has been on these meds as least as long as Shapeshifter if not longer. Also, Jazz's surgery was experimental with multiple complications and revisions required. The only logical conclusion is that Jazz's network of gender providers are working together with equally his guilty parents to keep everything quiet. And no doubt they are doing further experimentation to see if they can cure the complications that they caused.

So you may only hear from these child transitioners much later in their lives. Like after their parents and original doctors have died and have left them alone to deal with all of their medical and social problems.

*are still often financially dependent on their parents.

More Blair White love on this shit site.

What's wrong with Blaire White? Blaire is transgender.

Fuck off with that ex-gay asshole.

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I listened to that interview with Shapeshifter the other day.

It was very difficult to listen to at times, because the pain and regret were so palpable. However, there were a few very interesting takeaways. Top of the list was how trans chasers lose interest in MTFs after they get the vaginoplasty. Seemed more than obvious to me (they want a chick with a dick, that's the core of the fetish!), but Shapeshifter seemed caught by surprise by that. Wish someone would have told them that would happen [italic]before[/italic] getting the surgery.

Another was how Shapeshifter's sexual interests changed depending on what hormone(s) they were on at the time.

R19 and how would a kid like Jazz Jennings who was raised with a white picket fence mentality understand the concept of trans chasers as a small child?

If you go back to earlier episodes in the show, Jazz's family expressed the sincere belief that sexual orientation was a societal bias that could be corrected with "education".

Estrogen is associated with heart health, lower cholesterol, and more flexible arteries. So trans men who keep their ovaries and are still making estrogen could have better heart health. It could compensate for some of the effects of testosterone. But meanwhile to prevent cancer, removal of the ovaries is recommended, which would decrease heart health by removing estrogen as a factor. And heart health and liver health are directly linked.

The article below is about estrogen therapy in menopausal women and the effect on heart disease.

“There is a lot still unknown about the role that testosterone might play in the development of ovarian cancer in trans men. It is essential to monitor testosterone levels. Ideally, this should be done by a medical professional. There is also evidence that surgery which would remove the ovaries, uterus and cervix may reduce the risk of ovarian cancer.“

Evidence that heart health and liver health are inter-related.

This is neither gay gossip nor pointless bitchery.

R24, no, it’s not, although I like gay gossip etc. I want it to continue. Ignoring this issue is a mistake. The number of girls taking T is rising and likely to rise further if school lunch programs become contingent on gender programs. And this is an issue that will affect large numbers of people, not a few. The health issues are written on the consent forms given by the hospitals and are not a secret. The moms, who before often were liberal/pro gay rights, get referred by Google to right wing web pages when doing research about medical effects. This is an issue that affects all LGBT in addition to young people and families.

[quote] "Yes because of all the synthetic hormones they pump into their bodies."

Doesn't this also put them at higher risk for certain cancers, R6? Even when administered by physicians, it can't be healthy.

[Quote] Fourth, their parents have created an unhealthy codependent relationships with these children who were convinced since their earliest years that they had a medical condition that needed treatment and that their parents were helping them to cure it. The children were exposed to the idea that outsiders meant them harm because they wanted to deny them this needed medical care.

Oh, shit. It's Munchausens by Proxy. The moms are SOO invested in the attention it brings them. So many celebrity moms do it. It makes sense now.

R20, I guess there wouldn't be a way to explain the 'tranny chaser' phenomenon to a kid, but as R13 pointed out, Jazz approached the world of transgenderism from a completely different angle than Shapeshifter. As far as I know, Shapeshifter didn't have a monster of a mother who was desperate to have a reality TV show and found a way to get one by exploiting one of her own children.

I rewatched part of Shapeshifter's interview with Blaire after making my first post, and they both mentioned something that DL's TRA Brigade get very, very upset over if it's brought up around here: the homophobia behind the decision to transition. They brought up the point that Shapeshifter's decision to become a woman felt like, at least in part, "running away" from the idea of being a gay man.

Curing the gay away. There's a term for that... what was it again? Hmmm.... oh yeah! Conversion Therapy.

Masectomy regret confessions must be some of the saddest and most horrifying content you can read out there rn

The medical community has a lot to fucking answer for, brainwashing and pathologising gay & lesbian identities to the point that kids mutilate themselves.

R11 wtf that is so traumatising to read. tf is wrong with straight men :/

just gonna rewatch Cadet Kelly as therapy