BREAKING: Shooting at gay nightclub in Oslo

We're heading back to the worst days of homophobia

Two are confirmed dead, multiple injured.

well, it is not in the states, i am shocked

Norway is the new United States.

Good Norwegians: "We must make allowances for the cultural differences of our new guests"

[quote] Good Norwegians: "We must make allowances for the cultural differences of our new guests"

Really, R6?

Then how do you explain that mass murdering white supremacist Anders Breivik??

The Norwegians are all saying the same thing.."this only happens in the United States" Watch, Norway will swiftly change their gun laws.

Isn't it in Norway where one of the worst shootings happened several years back with lots of casualties.

r9 are you also r7?

The shooter was apparently some crazed neo-Nazi criminal, not a Muslim.

This will happen because of leftist woke agenda everywhere.

At least the entire police department weren't on vacation this time as with Utøya.

I’m sorry, but we have problems of our own.

I wouldn’t go to Scandinavia.

Fuck, I just woke up. I read the news and found out about this. RIP to the 2 who died. This has to be a terrorist. Either a white neo nazi aka ABB or a muslim.

R5 WTF are you talking about?! You have daily riots. There are zones which the police are not allowed to enter. You have much more crime than us.

R11 NOT surprised. The neo nazis in Norway are unhinged. They hang banners on bridges that say "down with the gay lobby". I have said for many years that the neo nazis are dangerous. IF this is true it's the third terrorist attack by a neo nazi in 10 years. In that time we have had exactly ZERO by muslims. I'm not defending muslims btw, I know they can be dangerous too, and they are certainly no fan of gays or Pride, but the muslims I have met say they disagree with gays and pride, but they respect the Norwegian law. They mostly just care if muslims come out as gay, it's very difficult for gay muslims in Norway, but they don't care if Norwegians are gay.

[quote] The shooter was apparently some crazed neo-Nazi criminal, not a Muslim.

And that's why it was reported in detail.

They’ve always had a Nei-Nazi problem. The same as Sweden. Nordic countries are fascist.

Shooter probably just received their bar bill - Oslo is so bloody expensive!

RIP

OSLO — Two people were killed and 14 injured early Saturday in a mass shooting in Oslo, Norwegian police said, as the city was gearing up for an annual Pride parade.

Police said a suspect had been arrested following the shootings, which occurred around 1:00 am (2300 GMT Friday) in three locations, including a gay bar, close together in the center of the Norwegian capital.

So apparently it's not just targeting gays.

R20 Yes. This makes me sad as a Norwegian. It pisses me off that the police say there is no risk of a neo nazi terrorist attack, yet there is a chance of an attack by a muslim. It's like even the police have swallowed the anti-muslim propaganda. The neo nazis have carried out two terrorist attacks in 10 years, this could be the third. Yet it's muslims who are the problem?! Fuck off with that shit. Norway has a neo nazi problem. I say this as a Norwegian.

[quote] Yet it's muslims who are the problem?! Fuck off with that shit.

The victims of Muslim attacks and terror in Belgium, England, France, Spain, etc. would strongly disagree with you.

^ Don't forget the two gay Irish men who were beheaded by a Muslim a few weeks ago. That was completely brushed under the carpet.

R24 I am talking about my country, Norway. We have not had a single terorrist attack by a muslim so far. We have however had 2 by neo nazis, possibly now 3. Don't get me wrong, both groups can be dangerous, but we also have to put things in perspective.

[quote] Fuck off with that shit

You talk like an American teenager, R23.

R27, he sounds exactly like a Norwegian person speaking English.

The suspect is from Iran. This was 100 % a muslim terrorist attack.

[quote] We have not had a single terorrist attack by a muslim so far.

Maybe this guy is one of the widespread Iranian Amish community.

[quote] Don't get me wrong, both groups can be dangerous,

R26 Then I'll await your post full of outrage and condemnation when a Muslim attack occurs in Norway.

Better to be safe rather sorry

So who is the shooter? Neo-nazi, muslim?

[quote][R27], he sounds exactly like a Norwegian person speaking English.

So...he sounds American?

Her pronunciation is perfect...

R31 I just did. The suspect is an Iranian. This was a muslim terrorist attack.

R33 The suspect is from Iran so most likely muslim.

There's a huge African immigrant community in Oslo. Wander down a street and bam - suddenly you're in Africa. It's feels fucking bizarre. And the gay sauna is smack bang in the middle of it: one has to negotiate grim-faced 7ft Africans carrying multiple plastic bags. Relaxed sunny blond smiley Norway it ain't.

Please, someone, tell me this is all wrong, OK, Right?

R35 But . . . but. . . where are the posts full of the vitriol, the condemnation, the outrage of Muslims, the chastising of police as you expressed against neo-Nazis and the police in R18 R23 R26??

Suspect is Iranian? Move it along, folx, nothing to see here.

R35??????? Your vitriol and outrage against Muslims? Your condemnation of Muslims? Your condemnation of the police for not protecting gays against Muslims? Hello?

R12

Yeah, progressives are responsible for... conservative neo-nazi terrorism???

That makes sense. Also, ice is responsible for forest fires. And, you're an intelligent person.

Am I playing the opposite day game correctly, Rose?

R39 I have said both groups are dangerous. What more do you want?

Norway's has been in the horseshoe position for many years now...

It's far left contains a very pro-stalin faction, that to some extent could be described as neonazi in the u.s. though it's more layered and complex. You might think of it as socialist extremism but it's not the marxist-lite types you're likely more familiar with. They're not quite as anti-corporate. They're mostly representive a wide contigency of white collar workers and present themselves primarily as promoting work-life balance at the surface... but their ideas of public and policies venture towards the extreme. It's far more heteronormative than you might expect. They tend to promote the idea that people should be married by 20 and at least one child by 30 and no more than three in total. socially conservative, fiscally liberal and policy decisions somewhere between. they seem representative of ctrl-left. the belief in the need to control all aspects of life from what you eat, wear, whether you sit or stand to pee and in that vein, they believe that national identity should be a social attribute. . . with the belief that the more decisions removed, the less conflict there will be. . .

They're not as globalist friendly as moderates tend to be (and moderates between it's extreme factions is basically everyone else). . . (globalist as in trade opportunities and relations.)

of course, they also have a far right branch that is more traditional u.s. neonazi types save they're more pagan or blood ancestry worship than christian... they're laughable and are represented more by subcultures with more people in the lowest and highest economic classes than those between and their brand of nationalism is traditional isolationist, of course.. They did, however, attract neonazis from other locations, such as Poland's more infamous branch that was runout and scattered across Europe, even if far right remain in Poland as well. . .

Then, of course, you have the uni loonies which are the most comparable to the u.s. factions, it's that kind of international univeralism of causes more than national politics.

The greater public, silent grumbling majority, more concerned with threats of Russia, migrants (pros and cons of.) and those international woes of shortages... some label them as being too apolitical and apathetic (like those here that are triggered with both sides arguments) and as flabbergasted by the shift of politics. . . with a tendency to blame every other nation for the cause or root trouble in it when they just want to be consumers, really.... get along as much as one can and disconnect from the drama and bemoan how no one cares about the middle class, the aging population and wondering where all the old stars have gone.

The silent majority? remains silent for the most part.

R43 The same three posts of vitriol, outrage and condemnation of Muslims you expressed against "neo-Nazis" at R18 R23 R26. But for some reason, that completely escapes you. Wonder why?

Neo-nazis shoot dead gays: Fucking cunts, fascist murderers.

Muslims shoot dead gays: Ummm . . .ermmm . . . oh, uh . . . *crickets*

Iranians are generally not religious, especially the ones who emigrate. Whatever the case, this is a terrible tragedy.

sami politics is more interesting right now...

It was an Iranian, R42/cunt, so you should be busy deleting the whole event from your memory. Incidentally, savages like him would not be present in Western countries were it not for progressives, so, yeah, it is their fault.

R47 Islam is an integral part of Iranian culture, history and identity.

R45 Norway has a problem with neo-nazis. That is a fact. Neo nazis can be dangerous too, as the two terrorist attacks have shown. This time it was a muslim. Some muslims have an issue with gays, although more if their own muslims turn out to be gays. The muslims I have met don't agree with gays or pride, but they mostly just ignore it. Looks like the muslims are more hateful towards gays than I previously thought.

[quote] Looks like the muslims are more hateful towards gays than I previously thought.

oh brother

R51 You're rationalizing Muslim murder of gays. You wouldn't for a nanosecond rationalize neo-Nazi murder of gays. And you're doing it on a gay board. You're a shameful hypocrite.

R47 That is why I'm shocked. Iranians in Norway are those best integrated in norwegian society. I would have understood if this was a Somalian, as they refuse to adapt to the Norwegian lifestyle. Iranians on the other hand are mostly non-religious.

I'll put $50 on the table right now it was a jihadi of some sort.

R53 I am not rationalizing anything. What the fuck? I admit I was wrong. I admit that my previous experiences with muslims were not as I thought. Muslims do have a problem with gays, as obvious after the Orlando attack.

R49

LOL, sweetheart, muslim sharia-enthusiasts and christian nationalist neo-nazis are two sides of the same coin--religious, rightwing, authoritarian terrorists.

If you think immigration policy can prevent conservative terrorism, you're out of your mind. I suspect you just prefer one particular flavor over the other... for... reasons...

It's almost like oil and water don't mix, R54!

Only it isn't the Christians committing terrorist acts all over Europe.

R56 And when will you be posting posts full of vitriol, outrage and condemnation of Muslims that you found so easy to post about neo-Nazis??????? Or will you continue to pretend to be stupid while rationalizing Muslim murder of gays?

You know, you're right, R57. Ireland, for example, was rife with beheadings of gays during the ascendancy of the Church, so it was nothing new when Muslims started doing it.

Pay no mind, R59. The overturning of Roe v. Wade seems to have drawn that feckless cunt, Ooze, back into our midst. I hadn't noticed him in a while, so he may have been sparing us his noxious presence.

It's obvious this was a muslim terrorist attack. It was an attack on gays. It was a hate crime. No doubts about it. It was an attack on gays during pride. Those who say I make excuses for it can fuck off. What happened is horrible. It reminds me of the Orlando attack, the parallels are striking.

[quote] muslim sharia-enthusiasts and christian nationalist neo-nazis are two sides of the same coin

R57 No, they most certainly are not. But it serves your ludicrous agenda to believe otherwise. If one of your "christofascists" attacks you, he will go to jail because you happen to live in a country in which homosexuals are protected by law. That ain't gonna happen in 56 Muslims countries, where homosexuality is socially abhorrent and a crime.

r46 it's pavlovian.

9/11 sparked backlash that went too far in the extremes of islamophobia... so, they move to the other extreme.

it's why so many reformist and ex-muslims are treated the same as the alt-right now, while fundamentalists are fetishized.

r45 I didn't say they didn't... but you can't get Americans to understand the differences of Euro neonazis... which defy the american political dynamics of left/right.

where some branches are very much leftwing oriented and others that are right. But even if it's rightwing neonazis pale in comparison to American neonazis... even if they're no less vile. The point I was trying to make is they're integrated and interwoven into the society in ways that is harder to separate so easily as just being left or right. For Europe entirely, the problem has been more with the leftwing branch of neonazis or stalin/blocs because they are more organized and funded, they commit wider acts of terrorism. The righwing version manages to get elected from time to time but suffers more infighting primarily between it's christian and pagans factions, these are your types more likely to be spree killers and hooligans. They're also the ones with more gangs and tend to radicalize people via prison. (not unlike islamic terrorism does... with prison/jail.). They're also your speakers corner types. they tend to be more public nuisance, tho.

whereas in the states, they are primarily rightwing aligned.

C conservative view on the two Irish guys beheaded by the Muslim. It surprised me by being worth a listen.

R64, Ooze is almost as much of a disingenuous and unjustifiably smarmy nitwit as that other cunt, PoisonedDragon. Do not engage with these braindead twats. Bear in mind that they are so amoral that they would rather gay men be murdered than admit that Islam and homosexuality cannot coexist.

R65 Why are you continuing to rationalize a Muslim terror attack on gays by deflecting to irrelevant in this instance neo-Nazis? Where is your condemnation of this Muslim terror attack on gays?

R64

Honey, we're talking about conservative terrorism in western nations. Try to focus.

R67

I'm an atheist, friend. I would prefer if all religions vanished. I think it might be news to all of the gay muslims though that "Islam and homosexuality cannot exist". You do know that religions are not homogeneous/monolithic, right?

Your crush on me doesn't justify being impolite, by the way. All you need to do is ask me out and I'll shower you with oozy smooches; let go of all that incel anger that's eating you up inside. <3

Conservative terrorism in western countries is a fantasy.

focused on Hungary but worth listening to.

[quote] we're talking about conservative terrorism in western nations

R69 "Conservative terrorism" is a misnomer to satisfy agenda. We're talking about Muslim terror. See the Pulse nightclub for just one example.

[quote] I think it might be news to all of the gay muslims though that "Islam and homosexuality cannot exist". You do know that religions are not homogeneous/monolithic, right?

I think it might be news to R69 that Islam is ineed homogeneous/monolithic. See the fact that homosexuality is abhorrent in 57 Muslim countries. I think it might be news to R69 that gay Muslims are well away that Islam and homosexuality cannot exist since they spend every single day in terror of being exposed.

If the sisters had been packing heat this would not have happened.

Still trying to find an open link to the better discussion panel (with more leftwing muslims, but no less polarizing figures, like Irshad Manji) on prison radicalization and how it spills over into the rest of society (the dangers of having a localized central figure, even in prison. probably not needed for the DL crowd that still remembers OZ) as well as it being linked to many high profile acts of murder, mayhem and terror among many groups but primarily looking at the islamic phenomenon. . . which also includes internet radicalization, student activism organizations and of course, religious groups and some charities, nonprofits, lobbyist groups... and doesn't limit itself to race, ethnicity, culture or background. The most prison linked cases were in France, tho.

R18 Hey woke frau from Norway, people like you are the worst. Your condescendence re Muslims only shows that you don't see them as equals. On the contrary to what you say, there is lot of sexual crime perpetuated by Muslims on Scandinavan women, that is covered up by the press, because they don't want to seem bigot.

R75 Muslims are not "radicalized" in prison or on internet. They are not "extremists" or "fundamentalists" due to discrimination. The same behavior of the Muslim terrorist in Oslo can be seen in France, Belgium, Germany, England, Spain, Mali, India, Kenya, etc. etc. etc. That behavior is solely the result of ISLAM.

You can't have mosques in liberal democracies that are financed by Saud Arabia, and which spew out gentle hate, and expect everything to go swell. Some preachers may not state that non-believers are worse than dogs, and gays deserve painful death, but the texts not only do, but are believed VEHEMENTLY. Every pram (and there are so very, very many prams) is a step forward to that day.

An Iranian neo-Nazi?

Really?

I would love to hear our Italians Aren't White Troll weigh in on that one.

The King issued a statement saying he and the royal family were devastated at the news. “We must stand together and defend our values: freedom, diversity and respect for each other.”

Regarding the prams, R78: Le ventre de nos femmes nous donnera la victoire, as Algerian president Houari Boumédiène said.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[quote] Oslo shooting near gay bar investigated as terrorism, as Pride parade is canceled

^ They are treating it as ‘Terrorism’

[quote]You have daily riots. There are zones which the police are not allowed to enter.

WTF are you talking about?

This cannot be true.

Why, right here on Datalounge we’re told the U.S. is the “only” country in the world who has these mass shooting problems.

This must be some mistake.

Muslims are violent subhuman monsters.

Scandanavia=

huge uncut sizemeats stinky with cheese, extra heavy duty socialism, atheism, and horrible weather.

Norway usually tops most lists of the best countries in the world to live in terms of quality of life. These mass shootings are an epidemic.

"Iranian Norwegian, 42, charged with murder, attempted murder and terrorism"

Yep, charged with terrorism.

R86, other countries don’t have mass shootings every damn day like the US.

R86 Not the only one, just the only country where it's a daily occurence.

R85 This never happpened I guess, according to you?

Attack in Malmø.

60 no go zones in Sweden.

R85 How about you admit your country is not perfect and stop blaming Norway? Both countries have its issues. I admit we have a problem with neo-nazis (hence the two terrorist attacks the past 10 years), and yes, we do have a large muslim population which isn't great, but Sweden sure has its problems too. Your immigration policy has ruined the country. It's out of hand. Some areas in Malmø are no go zones because there's so much crime. Oslo, despite a large muslim population, has generally very little crime, unlike Malmø.

BuT gUnS aReN’t A pRoBlEm In EuRoPe!?!?!!🥹😅😃🤣😂

Are you okay Norway? What’s going on there??

R97 Generally, no. Because of our gun laws. Shootings still happen, but a lot less frequent than the US.

R97 I'm ok. I don't even live in Oslo. They caught the guy. The police knew who he was. He's been charged for drugs, violence etc before. He's a muslim, but I've read he has some diagnosis too, don't know if it's true though.

Pity R100 you don't keep better tabs on your local violent criminals that may harbor extremist views. Those light sentences that Scandos are fond of - do not always serve the people well.

For those of you unable to translate R81's quote:

"The wombs of our women will give us the victory."

In other words, we're outbreeding you and your lazy women who don't want to have children and raise families, they're too busy becoming lawyers and doctors and running for president.

R100 There's always a "diagnosis" because you have to be somewhat unhinged to pick up a gun or a knife and kill strangers.

Unless, of course, the perp is a white supremacist, in which case it's all about "hate" and "culture" and never about mental illness.

When the perp is brown or Muslim, the mental illness excuse is trotted out immediately, and culture is disregarded.

Thank you, R102, I meant to translate that in my signature line.

TROP strikes again

Vee vill bring in all zeee muzzle immugrants who wiz death opon zeee gays and nuzing bad villl happen

Norway is a lost cause. In a rush to be inclusive, a known Islamist from Iran was selected by the left-leaning Labour Party to serve as speaker of the parliament. No wonder Iranian terrorists feel emboldened.

R107 these people who get jobs because of that part of the background truly feel no shame, the ego is astounding. That’s the only reason you got the job! Not talent or skill.

^ What's worse is that they pat themselves on the back because they think that they've reached their positions in spite of their background rather than (the reality) because of it.

[quote] When the perp is brown or Muslim, the mental illness excuse is trotted out immediately, and culture is disregarded.

Because governments don't want to be responsible for decades of mindless migrant policies. It's far easier to say "oh, mental illness" rather than "Accepting people from a culture mired in the 7th century. What could possibly go wrong??" Exact same excuse happened with Mateen. Reportage went from terrorist to gay panic to mental illness.

I posted this on another thread, but seems appropriate here:

[quote] By tomorrow, the terrorist will be deemed by the government/media to be "mentally unstable" with a history of "marital problems", "childhood traumas", etc.

One Muslim man commits an attack and an entire religion and its adherents are roped into a collective guilty verdict?

Let's just hope we didn't lose any tops.

R111 Don't pretend to be stupid. It's not one. It's on and on, and attacks, murders, terrorism, invasions, occupations, beheadings, vehicular rammings, etc. etc. etc.

I don't mean to be disingenuous, R111, but if this had been a neo-Nazi everyone would be rambling about how white supremacy and the institutional discrimination against minorities by white, middle-to-upper class men, is the source of all the problems in the world.

It is a human tendency to generalize, but I do find it surprising that some groups are seen as perpetual victims by the left, regardless of the gravity of their actions, while others are permanently anathematized as intrinsically guilty of the crimes committed by the colonial powers, just by virtue of being white and possible, Christian. It's a bit contradictory, don't you think so?

Denmark has seen what their immigration policy has done to their country. These social democracies can only exist when a homogenous group shares the same values, and have a strong work ethic. Denmark is starting to ship Muslims back to their countries if safety can be established.

R114, I absolutely agree. I am relatively conservative and balk at a great deal of contemporary progressivism.

R113, immigration/integration is absolutely a problem in Europe, and there is certainly a clash of values and cultures.

At the same time, I know many Muslims, and they do not deserve blanket blame for what one man did, whether it was religiously inspired or not.

R111 One muslim? Bless your heart woke idiot.

R116 “At the same time, I know many White Christians, and they do not deserve blanket blame for what one man did, whether it was religiously inspired or not.”

See how that works….

R116 Would that you extended the same sympathy and concern to the gay victims of the Muslim terror attack in Oslo.

Let me just say, to those of you saying they shouldn’t have canceled Pride, them canceling it is because they know there is a large risk to have it happen. There is a threat there and they can’t allow more people to get hurt or killed.

You have to remember there's a necessity for immigration in Europe. Birth rates have been in freefall now for decades and those expansive welfare states only work when there are enough young taxpayers to pay for it and young workers to staff it. However, the - let's be charitable and say "more developed" - parts of the world are also in sub-replacement fertility, so the only immigration that's still available on the scale needed is from the - ahem - "less developed" parts of the world.

They're between a rock and a hard place on the subject really. Either they accept immigration that has some economic benefit but high social costs, or they accept decline in state provision (which will mostly affect the elderly, who are the largest voting block).

R121 you know what ups birthrates? Families that can sustain themselves on one income and women who are able to raise children into proper adults.

Who cares that he was Muslim? Many white men kill gays too and you sit in silence.

You're beyond satire, R122. Tell that to the African cab driver I scored last month who happily told me he had eight kids.

R121, there is no need to import people who will never speak the language, who have large families they can't afford, and the big issue - women from Muslim countries are socialized to not work and stay at home raising kids, cleaning and preparing meals. These type of immigrants are an economic burden. See what Somalis are up to in Sweden.

As opposed to the US, where Latino immigrants who share similar cultures, and work hard - California is the world's 6th largest economy, in part due to the hard work and assimilation of Latinos.

R123 Admit that you hope that the Arabs would sexaully assault you, like they assault women on Europe. Maybe if you put a wig and frock some desperate would.

R121 rationalizes decades of Muslim attacks and terror as "necessary" to shore up Europe's welfare states.

The Royal family visiting the scene and walking the streets of Oslo in solidarity

The WOKE and the MAGA are equally stupid.

That is a nicely peddled myth R121, which is a recipe for the current unsustainable world we live in. Right now Japan, which has a severely aging population, and loses millions of people each year, is showing how false it is. It just requires a society to be more clever. The alternative is the current resources and people economic ponzi scheme that's taking the planet down the plughole.

R128 Meghan is on a jet as we speak. She’s wearing a gorgeous Versace PRIDE hat and tshirt, with jeans because she’s “The People’s Princess”.

R121 I think that there is still no need for Muslim immigrants, cause there would be enough workers from South and Eastern Europe, but I believe Merkel and other politicians use them to lower the wages. Plus there was a refugee crises after US ( Bush and Obama administrations) destroyed the Middle East in oil wars.

R125 The US was in quite a lucky position because it's birthrate was marginally higher than most of Europe and has historically relied on Mexican immigration to fill the gaps. This is predicted to end in the next decade as Mexico crosses the demographic threshold.

I'm genuinely confused about something... were two people killed in a gay bar in a homophobic attack or were two people killed in a larger attack targeting a whole set of bars in city center? the only reason i ask is because they decided to cancel all pride events as a result. maybe the police are afraid he's part of a larger cell?

R134 Of course he is, Muslims never work alone.

[quote] Plus there was a refugee crises due to Iran and Saudi Arabia playing power games the Middle East.

R133. We have central American immigrants in high numbers now, as well as a huge resource of South American immigrants. And of course, the fasted growing immigrant group are Asians, most well educated professionals - doctors, nurses, computer scientists. We can always continue importing Chinese and Indians, there are 2.5 billion of them. The US will be fine.

I can tell you that if instead of Latinos and Asians, if we had imported Somalis and Afghanistanis, CA would have a much smaller economy.

R130 Japan has been in sustained economic crisis territory for nearly 30 years, it's government is the most indebted in the world, it has a crippling labor shortage and declining medical and social care. It's not a great example of how to manage an ageing population, though it may well prove to be the standard.

Another thread derailed by that psychopath.

R138, it is Japanese women who decided a life of working full time and returning home to cook, clean, prepare meals for school kids, and deal with patriarchal husbands is no life.

Japanese women have decided to stay single and. not have kids. They no longer want to be 24 hour slaves.

Italy has a lower fertility rate than Japan BTW.

Why is this thread becoming a fertility discussion? Why can’t threads ever be about the topic anymore. Every single thread on this site is now derailed by that loon and you all fall for it.

Also, I have yet to see a media report that disclosed the man was Muslim n

[quote] Norway is a lost cause. In a rush to be inclusive, a known Islamist from Iran was selected by the left-leaning Labour Party to serve as speaker of the parliament.

Is he a homosexualist? That's a gay face if I ever saw one.

Looks like the good looking Persians all head to CA.

Norway gets the ugly leftovers.

R142 - So, you believe he was a Christian, a Jew, or a Ba'hai?

R141, demographics have everything to do with it. That's the reason that we've been sold for why these people have been brought to live among us.

It's telling that Norway is a generally safe country. In the US, a shooting with only two casualties barely makes the news. It's maybe mentioned on a Thursday night, and never again. We already stopped talking about Uvalde.

R145 the previous shooting was a white Christian. So yes. It could have been.

With that nutjob Pss Marthe, Crown Prince Haakon's sister, engaged to a black shaman (her first husband committed suicide, she clearly has a instinct for quality men), it's clear that the only Scandinavian country with the ability to think two moves ahead and the guts to strategise accordingly is Denmark.

Sweden, of course, is the poster illustration of what happens when an overwhelmingly and successfully homogeneous culture lets its guard down and subscribes to trendy myths that end up by destroying the benefits of homogeniety but without bringing anything so terribly wonderful in with "diversity".

Finland, very loosely considered part of Scandinavia geographically, but far more culturally distinct, and whose language is not Scandinavian, is also having to cope with the influx of Somalis that have contributed to the fortunes of the Finn Party, the Finnish version of the DPP in Denmark.

You want to get your birthrate up, start subsidising larger families, including expansion of health care, child care, educational resources, etc.

It's not so easy, R149. Many people do not want to have children because they don't enjoy the idea of seeing their freedom compromised for at least 18 years of their lives, or refuse to have them under their current living standards. However, for immigrants from the global South, coming to Europe will always be a great improvement if they can find a way to exploit the welfare system (which, contrarily to popular belief, isn't an easy thing to do and that is why many immigrants end up living in abject poverty or the streets). Still, these people have an incentive for having as many children as possible: these are anchor babies that will prevent them from being sent to their countries, where their living standards would be extremely low.

I think that establishing a global balance that allows people to live decently, while preventing the vast majority of wealth from being concentrated in a few hands, would create a world in which these migratory shifts and birth rates affected by poverty and desperation, would simply disappear. The problem is that we have extreme inequality and the upper classes are allowed to reduce people to the status of chattel to be used and discarded at will. This isn't the only solution, but it would be the beginning in a much needed societal restructuring that would help everyone to survive - personally, ethnically, culturally and in terms of national foundationsl principles and values.

Gays are under attack everywhere

I saw this on Today this morning & thought it was an odd story to report on, but it does fit NBC's narrative. Sad that 3 mass shooting over Juneteenth weekend & no mention. Black assailants & black victims, most likely perpetrated with illegal firearms that were never traceable to begin with, multiple deaths & critical hospitalizations...Truly unfortunate that this massive problem fits no one's agenda, narrative or conscience. But a club in Europe? Gun control, LGBTQIA+++, probably mental health--checks all the boxes!

Wow the Muslim apologists hit the thread faster than I could post! A new speed record for them. Bravo, keep up the good work. Keep apologizing!,

Show me where it’s been disclosed he’s Muslim

Here you go!

R155 ok thanks. Now where was this energy when a Christian white man murdered there not long ago, J? You were barely on that thread.

R137 hits on a sad reality: People assume Muslims who immigrate will at least contribute to the economy, but the never consider the quality of immigrants.

I’m in Germany and was once paired with a Moroccan for a class assignment in our German class. I quickly learned that despite being in his 40’s, the man was illiterate! He cheated on every assignment and his German was indecipherable. At least with Indians and Asians, they’re mostly educated and ambitious.

Why are you having full conversations with yourself?

R156, I don't know the case but I'm guessing that the white Christian man was indigenous to there, i.e. Norwegian politicians didn't actively bring him to the country. Same can't be said for Muslim immigrants and their children.

Assuming a white, Western European is Christian is not necessarily grounded in truth. I live in Europe and while I know people who are baptized, I don’t personally know a single person who goes to church or proclaims to be a Christian.

If a white European commits an act of violence, there’s less than a 1% chance they were motivated by religion. If a Muslim commits an act of violence, there’s a 99.9% chance they were motivated by religion.

thanks, r155. FETISH!

[quote] Iranian Norwegian, 42, charged with murder, attempted murder and terrorism

Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"

Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."

Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"

Here's the truth about that r133. These people are a huge economic burden and have been depressing wages for decades. If we deported them all en masse, as we should, women could stay at home and raise families as men work for higher wages.

The anti-trans trolls have taken a break and have reverted back to anti-Muslim trolls.

When any guy who happens to be Muslim commits any crime, all of Islam gets blamed. We now get a screed about how all Muslims are lazy so make terrible immigrants, unlike the hard working Mexicans.

Whites never cause any problems whatsoever, pure as the driven snow

R163, Immigrants have in fact been the US economic engine, creating more businesses each year than non immigrants. Plus, while 50% of immigrants (25 million) may have been on welfare temporarily most get off it and their children go on to college has very high rates.

R162, yes, and?

The Bible contains just as terrible bull shit. Doesn’t mean every follows every word of it.

Governments and religions all spew anti-gay shit. That is all that’s needed to manifest homophobia

R164 only 20 % of Somalis in Sweden have jobs. They are an absolute burden on Sweden's economy and are completely supported by welfare. And will be for generations as even Swedish-born Somalis are not working.

Perhaps some immigrants, like the Asians. R165 But Muslim and south of the border immigrants, and especially illegals all have very high long term welfare use.

France and other countries have made the mistake of importing Muslims from Africa. Instead, they could have recruited more people from Asia (like former French colony Vietnam).

Multi-culturalism is an off-the-rails disaster. Everybody to their own fucking corners!

"Norway's prime minister told the BBC the suspect was questioned in May, but was not deemed a threat at the time.

The gunman was known to security services since 2015 as a "suspected radicalised Islamist", and had a history of mental illness, Norway's PST intelligence service said.

"There is reason to think that this may be a hate crime," police said earlier. "We are investigating whether... Pride was a target in itself or whether there are other motives."

World is consumed with hatred

R167, depending about how open a society is in integrating foreigners, the next generation will become educated and will become major drivers of the economy.

This is what happens all the time in US towns and cities.

[Quote] France and other countries have made the mistake of importing Muslims from Africa.

The African Muslims are from former French colonies. They know French already

[quote] I am relatively conservative and balk at a great deal of contemporary progressivism.

R116 That trendy word 'progressivism' is ambiguous. You really mean 'temporary faddism'; it and the fashion for sex-changes will soon fade away.

R149 Finland is not and never has been considered part of Scandinavia.

Except by idiots such as yourself.

[quote] depending about how open a society is in integrating foreigners

R173 They stay in their own ghetto for at least two generations. They're forbidden from marrying infidels outside their own gene pool.

Picture of the terrorist.

Really i had expected his name would be Mohammed. Maybe that's his middle name?

*F*E*T*I*S*H*

^

What do you mean?

R178's link says the killer has been on the police radar since 2015.

on the police radar since 2015.

Matapour was sentenced to ten months in prison as a teen after he was tied to a stabbing at a school prom. He was acquitted by the Court of Appeal, according to court documents reviewed by Norwegian outlet NettaVisen.

Matapour's involvement in serious crime did not end there, with the Oslo terror suspect charged with attempted murder and possession of a firearm in 2019. He was again released after a court appeal.

Norwegian prime minister Jonas Gahr Støre said this afternoon: 'I know that many Muslims are scared and despairing. Then it is our responsibility that no one other than the person behind the attack is responsible.

'Let there be no doubt, we are one community, we are a diverse community.'

𝑃𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑤𝑦𝑒𝑟 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝐻𝑎𝑡𝑙𝑜 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑: '𝑂𝑢𝑟 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑔𝑟𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑓𝑒𝑎𝑟 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑜𝑝𝑢𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛.

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Good Norwegians can be counted on to be "understanding".

[quote] we are one community, we are a diverse community.

R181 I suppose that's a translation of a bad Norwegian Woke platitude.

But a so-called 'diverse community' in which some people want to kill other people is NOT a community.

[quote]In the US, a shooting with only two casualties barely makes the news. It's maybe mentioned on a Thursday night, and never again.

Yes, because most of those kind of shootings are taking place in the hood and tend to shed a light on the inconvenient truth regarding Black on Black crime and policing in those communities.

More diversity heading towards Europe.

Eighteen African migrants are dead and 76 injured after a mass storming of the Spanish exclave of Melilla in North Africa.

A Spanish government spokesperson said about 2,000 migrants attempted to cross, and 133 managed to breach the border of the Spanish territory, according to Associated Press. Those who made it through proceeded to a local migrant center where Spanish authorities are evaluating their cases.

Surrounded by Morocco, Melilla is a five-square-mile territory on the eastern side of a rocky peninsula on the Mediterranean Sea. Both Melilla and Ceuta—a similarly-situated Spanish territory—have been subjected to periodic border-storming over the years.

The two autonomous Spanish territories present migrants with the only land borders between Africa and the European Union, making them appealing targets for those who would otherwise have to attempt a Mediterranean crossing.

“A large group of sub-Saharans [Africans]…broke through the access gate of the Barrio Chino border checkpoint and entered Melilla by jumping over the roof of the checkpoint,” local Spanish government authorities said in a statement. All of them were reportedly adult men; the stampede began at 6:40 am local time.

The rest of the horde was repelled by the efforts of Spanish Civil Guard police and Moroccan security forces working both sides of the border fence. According to Moroccan authorities, the casualties occurred when migrants attempted to scale the iron fence.

In what Al Jazeera characterized as a “violent, two-hour skirmish,” 49 members of the Spanish Civil Guard police were also injured. Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said “human trafficking militias” had orchestrated “a well-organized, violent assault.”

No r173 not anymore. Waaay too many enclaves of unassiimilated people here from many parts of the world.

Nice to be woke, but better to be realistic. I remember the case of famous French author Edouard Louis. He hooked up one night with an Arsb he met on the street. They had passionate night and in the morning, after he came from the bathroom he found his iphone and some other things missing. He faced the Arab who attacked him with the gun and violently raped him and injured him.

The irony is that Louis is a progressive guy and he comes from a working class family which is sort of bigot. So, when he left for college his father gave him the rather islamophobic racist warning to always stay away from Arabs as they are very dangerous. Of course, he dismissed these words as bigot and racist. Sadly, it turned out that the father was right.

My sympathy is VERY limited for people like Édouard Louis who is very left-wing and, as far as I know, is in a throuple with two older fellow Marxists. I keep my sympathy for the people who are harmed by the immigration policies which are implemented by feckless politicians and promoted by pernicious "public intellectual" cunts like Louis.

He is in throuple with Didier Eribon and his parner? I have seen a lot of pics of them together, looks kinda suspicious, but I thoufht he was 3rd wheeling.

I like Louis work though, particularly the two about his childhood and his father. He has great sense of humour, which you don't notice in interviews where he sounds woke.

That's what white people get for being gullible and believing in muslim lies. I just lean back and observe your stupidity.

R181, his violent history points more to mental imbalance than terrorism

R190 His violent history points to yet another Muslim outraged at Western values that do not conform to Islam. THAT'S why the government of Norway is treating his murders an act of terrorism.

Ah what a tangled web, what a slippery slope for Muslim apologists. Bit of a between a rock & a hard place, eh?

So, if these Muslim Murders are all Mentally Unbalanced, Muslims are prone to a type of mental unbalance that make them murder. Hmmm. Not a good look apologists. Keep digging & flailing, you'll come up with something to excuse them.

For the life of me I can’t understand why these assholes refuse to go to Islamic states that would allow them to live out their wildest regressive fantasies. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

fetish

R193 Because Muslims cannot exist peacefully with anyone due to cultural tribalism. They don't want to accept anyone who is not "of their tribe" and especially the ruling despots don't want anyone who may threaten their absolute power/control. Far better to push them on the gullible West, while Muslims sit back, watch the destruction and smile. Knowingly.

What r195 said.

R193, the general trend is to send them forth and expand the House of Islam.

R197 That's been the "general trend" since Muslims rode out of Arabia in the 7th century to spread The Word. And it will continue unabated until the West submits or Islam is weakened.

Why do gay men love to apologize for Muslim terrorists? Are they masochistic?

R199 - Many of our number are, sadly, selfish and feckless people who would rather be cheerleaders for policies which will be terrible for gay men rather than be thought cruel or bigoted. Their motto should be "après moi le déluge".

[quote]The allure of swarthy twinks. For most DLers, the only political or moral consideration is, "Is he hot?"

Never understood the Dzhokhar appeal - he seems dweeby and weak, easily led.

R201, I am far from immune to the allure of swarthy twinks. Or various other swarthy and hirsute types, for that matter. But I try to think with my head, and not my dick/ass.

There are Xtian swarthies in Southern and Southern east Europe too, mostly Catholic. Not the most progressive, but compared to Arabs...

Exactly, R204! We don't even need Arabs to satisfy those particular hungers which some of us may have.

[quote] Why do gay men love to apologize for Muslim terrorists? Are they masochistic?

Republicans oppose immigration without safeguards

Brexit voters oppose immigration without safeguards

La Pen voters oppose immigration without safeguards

So an occasional gay massacre is a small price to pay to 𝑝𝑤𝑛 them all.

Oslo ‘terror suspect refuses to answer police questions' - stalling investigation into gay bar attack that left two dead and 21 injured before Pride parade

Ex-plumber Zaniar Matapour, 42, is refusing to speak to police when recording devices are in use, as is normal in Norway.

The Iran-born ex-refugee insists the audio will be manipulated against him.

So not only is he a terrorist murderer, but he is rude.

R206 is there a reason you post a story and picture from 2014? Which was 8 years ago.