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This time the CONservative Supremes are ruling in favor of Big Oil and denying climate change and our future and our planet.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||July 4, 2022 2:31 PM|
They even have their own personal shares in the oil & gas industry. So yes, they are personally making money from their investments in the industry. Don’t focus only on the insurrection, because these greedy assholes are sneaking important rulings concerning our future financial well-being and our atmosphere.
These CON Supremes voted in favor of gutting the EPA: Roberts, Alito, Kavanaugh,Barret, Thomas, Gorsuch.
While the 3 liberal Justices voted against gutting the EPA. SOTOMAYER, BREYER, KAGAN.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||June 22, 2022 7:21 AM|
Another ruling that merges the State with Religion which is blatantly unconstitutional.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||June 22, 2022 7:27 AM|
SCOTUS also ruled against the separation of church and state by allowing PUBLIC money to go to RELIGIOUS schools...The GOP has destroyed our country. They have actually won. 3 years from now children will be taught Jesus Jabber in EVERY school, LGBT will be illegal, women will be forced to co-parent with their rapists, and the military will be patrolling the Mexican Border. Wait and See..It is over. We Dems lost. We put up with wimps like Nancy and Chuck to protect us and they did not.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||June 22, 2022 7:28 AM|
Can a SC Justice ever be impeached? What if we find that a ruling was personally beneficial? Or say, violates the Constitution? Is there any thing Congress can do?
I’m hoping Biden uses his Executive Order privilege to halt the obliteration of Roe v. Wade. Not that he will, but if he can issue an order stalling the implementation of the overturning. Than we can be spared of forced birthing at least until 2024. The same if they try to stop abortion pills. I mean, how can these Christofascists plan on enforcing this ban? Search through everyone’s mail?
|by Anonymous||reply 4||June 22, 2022 9:00 AM|
Another possibility is to increase the number of Supremes and overturn the conservative court rulings.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||June 22, 2022 9:02 AM|
It’s all confusing because these judges are appointed for life….so they cannot ever be impeached even if they break our laws?
|by Anonymous||reply 6||June 22, 2022 9:27 AM|
What can we do to undo these con supremes?
Come on DLers
|by Anonymous||reply 7||June 22, 2022 2:27 PM|
Aha. I like one reply on another thread that simply stated:
The United States Supreme Court is a religious institution.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||June 23, 2022 1:59 AM|
This is how Republican policies have destroyed us and the majority of us live with a simmering anger. You put this simmering anger and mix it with no gun control and a government with wimps on our side and you have a recipe for disaster. Criminals, including those perjuring CON Supremes, allowed us to be free to shoot anything up with there AR-15s with no accountability.
AMERICA THE GREAT is now effectively AMERICA THE GREEDY.
One nation under Catholicism…With Liberty and Justice for NONE.
This is what we stand for now due to minority rule
|by Anonymous||reply 9||June 23, 2022 2:11 AM|
Imagine that the Supremes are busy legislating instead of Congress and Congress is busy doing law enforcement proving how 1/6 rioters are criminals while Merrick Gardner and the DOJ stand and watch. Then if Congress asks for someone that fails to show up for a subpoena, only then will the DOJ arrest him.
What in the hell is going on here? Isn’t there something wrong with this picture?
|by Anonymous||reply 10||June 23, 2022 2:21 AM|
Only blood in the streets will make a difference, it's coming.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||June 23, 2022 4:57 AM|
I believe most people are confused that it is Congress’ job to create legislation. Not the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is tasked to uphold the Constitution, not to create laws. If and only if a law violates the Constitution should they take up the case.
The Supreme Court is not supposed to cherry pick cases to be heard by Court based on their religious convictions nor for the financial benefit of paid politicians that placed them there.
Our system is broken.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||June 23, 2022 5:19 AM|
And Biden refuses to pack the court. He is useless. He could do it if he wanted but he won't. And once these rulings come down there will be nothing we can do until some of them die and that is only if the democrats are in power when one of them dies.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||June 23, 2022 5:33 AM|
That’s exactly correct. We’ll have to wait until some of these politicians die off as well. If NDP/Schumer could at the very limeade bring a bill to the floor and get the Rethugs to actually be on record, that would help in the future when they run for re-election. But they can not even do that!
What a bunch of bums that they got nothing done so far and will go into recess next week. That’s right, they are going home and take time off. Probably simply do fundraising - these corrupt politicians.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||June 23, 2022 7:26 AM|
…ate the very least bring a bill to the floor…
|by Anonymous||reply 15||June 23, 2022 7:41 AM|
Another reason that supports that Gen Z will wipe away all of the CONservative Supremes gutting of the EPA.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||June 23, 2022 12:05 PM|
This is why I believe once these old fossils of politicians, these CONservatives and these CON Supremes’ outright deceit is over as they uniformly kick yee ole bucket, these Millenials and Gen Zers are going to take over. Then we’ll see and live in an entirely different United States of America…
Mind you, I don’t know what it may look like or what form in might take, but it will be different. As an Eldergay, it gives me pause as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||June 23, 2022 12:13 PM|
Another example of how these CON Supremes are living in their last hurrah…
|by Anonymous||reply 18||June 23, 2022 12:16 PM|
And another example why these criminal perjurers seated on today’s Supreme Court will hear their own death rattle as the next generations work to undo their criminal rulings surrounding Gun Control.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||June 23, 2022 12:20 PM|
[quote]And Biden refuses to pack the court. He is useless. He could do it if he wanted but he won't.
Congress, not the President, is endowed with the power to determine the number of Supreme Court justices. What about the last two years makes you think Manchin and Sinema would agree to increase the status quo.
And if even if they did, what makes you think the next Republican Congress/President combo wouldn't add even more justices to the Court specifically to roll back anything a progressive Court advanced?
|by Anonymous||reply 20||June 23, 2022 12:22 PM|
[r20 Sorry to be off topic, but could you teach me how to create those DL quotes that you have in your reply? Meant TIAs]
|by Anonymous||reply 21||June 23, 2022 12:25 PM|
It is really incredible what is happening in the Supreme Court right now. The republicans have spent decades, basically my entire life, planning to overtake the court and legislate against everything they hate. And now they’ve got an impregnable majority they’re doing just that in the space of three months.
I’d be impressed if it weren’t so fucking horrifying.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||June 23, 2022 12:27 PM|
[quote]And Biden refuses to pack the court. He is useless. He could do it if he wanted but he won't.
Is Biden also responsible for your ingrown toenail? Take a fucking civics class.
This all could have been avoided, but Democrats stayed home. And they are about to stay home again in November. And to that I say, you get what you deserve.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||June 23, 2022 12:27 PM|
R21 -- put whatever you want to quote in between two brackets: [ ]
|by Anonymous||reply 24||June 23, 2022 12:28 PM|
Sorry, that's not correct, R21 -- type the word quote between two bracket signs, then add the text you want quoted after it. Return twice to end the quote.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||June 23, 2022 12:30 PM|
Excusez-moi! How did you such a warped view? Dems and Biden won the majority vote. Why are you so warped not to verify this fact? We certainly did NOT stay home.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||June 23, 2022 12:33 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 27||June 23, 2022 12:35 PM|
The Supreme Court of the is OFFICALLY a RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION that has ended Roe vs. Wade due to their staunch Catholicism and Christofascists..
Once again our country is perverted.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||June 24, 2022 7:53 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 29||June 24, 2022 8:21 PM|
This will have a Huuuuuge impact on straights. Women will be less willing to have sex with men - they will insist on using a condone because BC pills are not 100% proof. Men in general aren’t down with condoms.
This craptastic ruling means if a woman is raped, can these trigger states can force her to Cary the baby to term? HOW can they enforce it? Can the state forbid her from leaving the state to obtain an abortion?
Then if a woman is raped, under these trigger laws she has to give birth. We’re going back to the Stone Age where a caveman can just knock a female, impregnate and she will have no recourse.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||June 24, 2022 8:33 PM|
This ROE ruling may cause such a backfire that SENs that were semi-moderate deeply red states may switch and vote in favor of Biden’s Reproduction Rights bill that is sitting in the Senate. The sheer this absurdity and frightening ruling may be shot down very quickly.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||June 24, 2022 8:40 PM|
Why do these talking heads on TV always emphasize what we already know. They constantly regurgitate the same thing across all news channels. The new Press Secretary stated today is a tragic day because 5 Supreme Court Justices “took “ away a Constitutional right, But she doesn’t go on to ask WHY? These DEMS better grow a pair and keep pounding ‘ Perjury!’ This ruling violates the separation of church and state! It will cost many women’s lives! The Biden Administration needs to be projection with the heat of a 1000 suns, they’re sons, not
1. Biden announcing he will protect women going to other states that can provide abortion. That’s it? What if she can’t afford it? Will their be any subsidies? What about losing her job? Child care?
|by Anonymous||reply 32||June 24, 2022 10:01 PM|
Live MSNBC is digging in now…..yes they are even talking about the how much money it’s going to cost us. They are also starting to mention childcare needs if the woman has young children in school. She can’t just up and leave her life because 5 CRIMINAL, PERJURING, fundie Justice want to force their religion on her.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||June 24, 2022 10:21 PM|
MSNC LIVE***6 pm.
Lots of footage in front of the Supreme Court building ofheated arguments between the two abortion groups. Lots of young girls are tearing up
I’m betting the far right deplorables are dancing in the streets and they’re probably beaming from ear to ear, women are deign put back in their house and be a sex slave to him.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||June 24, 2022 10:28 PM|
Why are we not hear from any men? Dead silence. This will effect them too. Why aren’t they marching as well? These radical Christian’s aren’t going to stop since they don’t give a shit.
If men are going to wimp out thinking it’s not their problem, just wait until they stop having sex with you.
If I lived in these backwards states, I’d leave pronto.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||June 24, 2022 11:30 PM|
I understand the packing of the court now...to slow down the lunacy. However, when repubs are in the majority...with a good possibility of a repub POTUS, you know they will do the same thing...and pack the court in their favor. It would only be a temporary fix for now for Democrats. There's a lot of tit for tat between the parties. It's like a fucking grade school.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||June 24, 2022 11:39 PM|
Ladies...stock up on good vibrators, and fuck the men (not). I mean, not really fuck them...lol.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||June 24, 2022 11:47 PM|
I bet a good number of these Republican voters who are so anti-abortion haven’t even given it much thought. They just go with what their preacher, or favorite podcaster, or TV news outlet tells them to believe. If the pastor got in front of the congregation on Sunday and said “You know what, having an abortion is actually OK” they’d all change their minds on a dime. They’re sheep.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||June 25, 2022 12:01 AM|
It's the cult mentality...
|by Anonymous||reply 39||June 25, 2022 12:04 AM|
R36. The Pukes have already ravaged all previously held protocols and ripped every judicial procedure already and they will do more so when they take control of govt. it’s a guarantee.
So Biden/DEMS have nothing to lose at this point. They MUST, not should, pull out all the stops at this time.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||June 25, 2022 12:11 AM|
It’s Lysistrata time….or learn to love being gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||June 25, 2022 12:12 AM|
I don’t understand why I feel so angry since none of it will have an effect on me, but I’m furious as hell with all this fuckery going on.
Silver lining: at least we are getting a break from the other insane, infuriating Jan. 6 hearings and the Ukraine war dragging along.
I want to disconnect and head for a deserted island with no media. Anyplace cool and isolated? But must offer good cuisine - a must for me to escape. Okay, and beer on tap.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||June 25, 2022 12:20 AM|
I hope this building anger and protesting in the streets gets rabidly intense. Scare those assholes a little (within the law, of course). Maybe a few centrist Pigs will switch to our side and we can gain enough votes to block the whole thing. Because not only is it Unconstitutional, but it’s intent is PUNITIVE and mean-spirited (rape and incest not excluded). That’s the key right there that will get people to the polls (hope)
Just needs to
|by Anonymous||reply 43||June 25, 2022 12:29 AM|
“Ladies just STOP SPREADING YOUR LEGS and in short effect, you see Furious, Angry, Frothing at the mouth MEN take to the streets and twist a few arms of these CONservatives.*
*Figuratively Speaking of course*
|by Anonymous||reply 44||June 25, 2022 12:33 AM|
Jesus…it’s about time people started angrily protesting!
|by Anonymous||reply 45||June 25, 2022 3:16 AM|
Watching MSNBC and people’s heads are exploding and it could because TV Moderators are fomenting it.
Some one got run over.
Just like we predicted. It’s chaos and I’m glad I don’t live in one of those trigger states.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||June 25, 2022 3:21 AM|
Here we go folks….told ya! We insist on turning a blind eye to a defunct DEM administration. It’s not just trigger states, but trigger nouns (I.e., say “Sleepy Joe”), that brands one instantly a troll. But we will lie down as the Supremes legislate and re-write decades long precedents.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||June 30, 2022 11:28 PM|
Welcome to 130 degrees in SoCal, but please refrain from any bad vibes and negative energy.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||June 30, 2022 11:31 PM|
And it’s only going to get worse with this rogue Supreme Court. Here’s what’s coming next. At least liberal states can anesthetize themselves with legalized marijuana.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||June 30, 2022 11:33 PM|
Wild conspiracy, but here goes: I think SCOTUS is going for broke because they think one of the justices (Thomas) won't be on the bench (or in the natural world) much longer. Perhaps wishful thinking on my part, but Roberts (and sometimes Kavanaugh) at least make the appearance of not being purely partisan creatures. But this is just an attempt to ram through all the repig legislation in Mitch McConnell's wildest dreams
|by Anonymous||reply 50||June 30, 2022 11:35 PM|
Republicans are always in bed with the corporations and the Oil Pig$.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||June 30, 2022 11:40 PM|
I'll join you in wishful thinking, R50.
When Amy COVID Barrett was shoved onto the court right before the 2020 election there was a post in the Predictions thread that we would only have to deal with her for about two years before some form of corruption is exposed.
About 12 weeks left...
|by Anonymous||reply 52||June 30, 2022 11:48 PM|
Exposed!? They all LIED to Congress on live TV!
|by Anonymous||reply 53||June 30, 2022 11:53 PM|
Since these rogue perjuring Jurists don’t give fuck all about common courtesy and upholding the sanctity of Supreme Court, I hope Ketanji Brown Jackson returns the favor and rips these Pigs a new asshole.
….pardon the harsh language🕊✌️
|by Anonymous||reply 54||June 30, 2022 11:57 PM|
I was watching her swearing in ceremony AND nothing she said under oath would legally prevent her from revealing how those rogue Justices cannot be revealed for their perjury and for pointing out their violation Separation of Church and State. Expose them!
|by Anonymous||reply 55||July 1, 2022 2:33 AM|
Give it up ⬆️ dude
|by Anonymous||reply 56||July 1, 2022 10:47 AM|
Take it 🆙your ass dude.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||July 1, 2022 12:00 PM|
All hail Queen Sonia dropping receipts in her dissent!
|by Anonymous||reply 58||July 1, 2022 1:10 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 59||July 1, 2022 6:11 PM|
Congress could have imposed term limits at any time.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||July 1, 2022 6:13 PM|
"I’m hoping Biden uses his Executive Order privilege to halt the obliteration of Roe v. Wade. Not that he will, but if he can issue an order stalling the implementation of the overturning."
This is just one example of the idiotic posts that we keep seeing on these threads that demonstrate that many here have absolutely no idea what the President can and cannot do. Along with packing SCOTUS with the wave of a hand. I guess people here need to have this constantly drummed into their little heads until maybe they understand how our government is structured.
Getting rid of the filibuster is not going to happen, especially with Sinema and Manchin dead set against it. That would have to be the first step to a). passing a federal law allowing abortion access, b). passing any meaningful climate change legislation, c). adding members to SCOTUS.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||July 1, 2022 7:19 PM|
Just throwing that out here for discussion: what if Biden made a public address about how he opposes the recent SCOTUS rulings, rogue court, etc., but that his hands are largely tied - specifically calling out Sinema and Manchin. He'll set up a task force (led by Hillary!) of fed government options. He'd include the repigs, but they clearly care nothing about women's rights, but I guess we'll ask them...
Meanwhile, the states go on about their business trying criminalize abortions and women are just *enraged* by this, thus energizing turnout to punish the repigs. Yes, I know people say abortion isn't really an issue, it's gas, the economy, etc., but today's women are looking to *gain* rights, not lose them. Meanwhile, Uncle Clarence keeps complaining about how someone put an abortion in his soup (or whatever crazy shit he comes up with), constantly stirring the pot, which you know he loves to do.
Maybe letting the repigs reap the whirlwind & not expecting Uncle Joe to fix this thing is not necessarily a bad thing...just a thought
|by Anonymous||reply 62||July 1, 2022 7:36 PM|
One thing the Democrats could do is put together a federal bill that guarantees the right to an abortion in cases of rape, incest, or if the life of the mother is at stake. Just a first step in the battle just to counteract some state laws, but it's also something that most Americans would support. It would be interesting to see if there weren't at least some Republicans that would get on board with that.
Of course, Progressives will howl that it isn't enough, but they need to start reading the room. All or nothing isn't going to work unless you have a super majority in the Senate, which we don't have.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||July 1, 2022 7:39 PM|
Yes, but SCOTUS is likely to strike down such a law
|by Anonymous||reply 64||July 1, 2022 7:46 PM|
How long will the people wait for something to happen? The highest court in the land has been openly and brazenly compromised, what will the people do?
|by Anonymous||reply 65||July 1, 2022 8:55 PM|
If one says something negative about Biden, you get lambasted here on DL and labeled a troll. If one says something bad about Clarence Thomas you get lambasted here as being a racist. I guess the answer is not to say or do anything. This is exactly what we deserve.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||July 1, 2022 9:15 PM|
Should Congress pass a law legalizing the right to abortion?
59% yes 42% no
|by Anonymous||reply 67||July 1, 2022 9:43 PM|
The question about what Congress can do to reign in this Extreme Court is to CODIFY new rights to be added to the US CONSTITUTION. In simpler terms, Congress needs to pass amendments to the Constitution that the Supreme Court is obliged to uphold (but who knows with this lawless loons seated on Roberts’ court). I put nothing past them because they feel they are the Crusades Redux.
That’s the only way. It’s a tall order since the last amendment attempt was the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA). And that failed miserably back in the 70s - and possibly ushered in a Repuke surge with Reagan(?). The only way to do that is to win having a DEM President and super majorities in both chambers in Congress.
This Rogue Extreme Court is cherry picking cases to be heard by the Court, not for Constitutional clarifications, but to strike down long-held precedents like R v. Wade. Like the EPA. Like destroying voting rights and eroding redistricting and allowing gerrymandering. In addition, the SC is not overhearing cases that. They are throwing all rights back to state jurisdictions to allow radical right wing and Religious institutions to reign supreme.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||July 1, 2022 9:43 PM|
It’s nearly impossible to get a supermajority in Congress
|by Anonymous||reply 69||July 1, 2022 9:48 PM|
True, but we just need 3 more to fuck up Machin and sinenema. That’s all we need, but just as they have Rinos we have our share of closet Dinos, I’m sure.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||July 2, 2022 2:31 AM|
In addition, we in fact do not even have a DOJ! We have a weak Pres and a MIA Dept of Justice…not to mention vacation Duckface Schumer! We’re fucked by a handful of inside betrayers!
|by Anonymous||reply 71||July 2, 2022 2:34 AM|
I wonder if Biden is aware that many of his voters in the Black community believe he hasn’t done much to help them and are planing to sit out in the midterms. I’m betting that a lot of his former supporters secretly hope Biden doesn’t run again in 2024. On some level, poorer Americans couldn’t give a fuck about Ukraine or abortion if they can’t afford to eat and have a roof over their heads.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||July 2, 2022 8:33 AM|
Next up for America? THE CATHOLIC INQUISITION Redux.
FUN! FUN! FUN!
|by Anonymous||reply 73||July 2, 2022 10:01 AM|
1/ The Nightmare Scenario SCOTUS is Plotting For the 2024 Election Takeover:
[quote] 3/ Here’s how one aspect of it could work out, if they go along with the GOP’s arguments that will be before the Court this October:
[quote] 4/ It’s November, 2024, and the presidential race between Biden and DeSantis has been tabulated by the states and called by the networks. Biden won 84,355,740 votes to DeSantis’ 77,366,412, clearly carrying the popular vote.
[quote] 5/ But the popular vote isn’t enough: George W. Bush lost to Al Gore by a half-million votes and Donald Trump lost to Hillary Clinton by 3 million votes but both ended up in the White House. What matters is the Electoral College vote, and that looks good for Biden, too.
[quote] 6/ As CNN is reporting, the outcome is a virtual clone of the 2020 election: Biden carries the same states he did that year and DeSantis gets all the Trump states.
[quote] 7/ It’s 306 to 232 in the Electoral College, a 74-vote Electoral College lead for Biden, at least as calculated by CNN and the rest of the media. Biden is heading to the White House for another 4 years.
[quote] 8/ Until the announcement comes out of Georgia. Although Biden won the popular vote in Georgia, their legislature decided it can overrule the popular vote and just awarded the state’s 16 electoral votes to DeSantis instead of Biden.
[quote] 9/ An hour later we hear from five other states with Republican-controlled legislatures where Biden won the majority of the vote, just like he had in 2020: North Carolina (15 electoral votes), Wisconsin (10), Michigan (16), Pennsylvania (20) and Arizona (11).
[quote] 10/ Each has followed Georgia’s lead and their legislatures have awarded their Electoral College votes — even though Biden won the popular vote in each state — to DeSantis.
[quote] 11/ Thus, a total of 88 Electoral College votes from those six states move from Biden to DeSantis, who’s declared the winner and will be sworn in on January 20, 2025.
[quote] 12/ Wolf Blitzer announces that DeSantis has won the election, and millions of people pour into the streets to protest. They’re met with a hail of bullets as Republican-affiliated militias have been rehearsing for this exact moment.
[quote] 13/ Just as happened when Pinochet’s militias shot into crowds as he took over Chile, when Mussolini’s volunteer militia the Blackshirts killed civilians as he took over Italy, and Hitler’s Brownshirts did in Germany, their allies among the police and Army refuse to intervene.
[quote] 14/ After a few thousand people lay dead in the streets of two dozen cities, the police begin to round up the surviving “instigators,” who are charged with seditious conspiracy for resisting the Republican legislatures of their states.
[quote] 15/ After he’s sworn in on January 20th, President DeSantis points to the ongoing demonstrations, declares a permanent state of emergency, and suspends future elections, just as Trump had repeatedly told the world he planned for 2020.
[quote] 17/ Six Republicans on the Supreme Court just announced that one of the first cases they’ll decide next year could include whether that very scenario is constitutional or not. And it almost certainly is.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||July 2, 2022 12:41 PM|
[quote] 18/ Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution lays out the process clearly, and it doesn’t even once mention the popular vote or the will of the people:
[quote] 19/ “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress...
[quote] 20/ “The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons … which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.
[quote] 21/ “The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President…” [quote] 22/ It’s not particularly ambiguous, even as clarified by the 12th Amendment and the Electoral Count Act of 1887.
[quote] 23/ Neither mentions the will of the people, although the Electoral Count Act requires each state’s governor to certify the vote before passing it along to Washington, DC. And half of those states have Democratic governors.
[quote] 25/ “The Supreme Court on Thursday said it will consider what would be a radical change in the way federal elections are conducted, giving state legislatures sole authority…
[quote] 26/ to set the rules for contests even if their actions violated state constitutions and resulted in extreme partisan gerrymandering for congressional seats.”
[quote] 27/ While the main issue being debated in Moore v Harper, scheduled for a hearing this October, is a gerrymander that conflicts with North Carolina’s constitution, the issue at the core of the debate is what’s called the “Independent State Legislature Doctrine.”
[quote] 28/ It literally gives state legislatures the power to pre-rig or simply hand elections to the candidate of their choice.
[quote] 29/ As NPR notes:
[quote] 30/ “The independent state legislature theory was first invoked by three conservative U.S. Supreme Court justices in the celebrated Bush v. Gore case that handed the 2000 election victory to George W. Bush.
[quote] 31/ “In that case, the three cited it to support the selection of a Republican slate of presidential electors.”
[quote] 32/ Those three were Rehnquist, Scalia, and Clarence Thomas, now the seniormost member of the Court. They wrote in their concurring opinion in Bush v Gore:
[quote] 33/ “The federal questions that ultimately emerged in this case are not substantial. Article II provides that “[e]ach State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors.” …
[quote] 34/ “But as we indicated in our remand of the earlier case, in a Presidential election the clearly expressed intent of the legislature must prevail.”
|by Anonymous||reply 75||July 2, 2022 12:42 PM|
[quote] 35/ That doctrine — the basis of John Eastman and Donald Trump’s effort to get states to submit multiple slates of electors — asserts that a plain reading of Article II and
[quote] 36/ the 12th Amendment of the Constitution says that each state’s legislature has final say in which candidate gets their states’ Electoral College vote, governors and the will of the voters be damned.
[quote] 37/ The Republicans point out that the Constitution says that it’s up to the states — “in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct” — to decide which presidential candidate gets their Electoral College votes.
[quote] 38/ But the Electoral Count Act requires a governor’s sign-off, and half those states have Democratic governors. Which has precedence, the Constitution or the Act?
[quote] 39/ If the Supreme Court says it’s the US Constitution rather than the Electoral Count Act, states’ constitutions, state laws, or the votes of their citizens, the scenario outlined above becomes not just possible but very likely.
[quote] 40/ After all, the Constitution only mentions the states’ legislatures — which are all Republican controlled — so the unwillingness of the Democratic governors of Michigan, North Carolina, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to sign off on the Electoral College votes becomes moot.
[quote] 41/ Under this circumstance DeSantis becomes president, the third Republican president in the 21st century, and also the third Republican President to have lost the popular vote election yet ended up in the White House.
[quote] 42/ This scenario isn’t just plausible: it’s probable. GOP-controlled states are already changing their state laws to allow for it, and
[quote] 43/ Republican strategists are gaming out which states have Republican legislatures willing to override the votes of their people to win the White House for the Republican candidate.
[quote] 44/ Those state legislators who still embrace Trump and this theory are getting the support of large pools of rightwing billionaires’ dark money.
[quote] 45/ As the highly respected conservative Judge J. Michael Luttig recently wrote:
[quote] 46/ “Trump and the Republicans can only be stopped from stealing the 2024 election at this point if the Supreme Court rejects the independent state legislature doctrine …
[quote] 47/ “and Congress amends the Electoral Count Act to constrain Congress' own power to reject state electoral votes and decide the presidency.”
[quote] 48/ I take no satisfaction in having accurately predicted — in March of 2020 — how Trump and his buddies would try to steal the election in January of 2021. Or how the Supreme Court would blow up the Environmental Protection Agency.
[quote] 49/ Trump’s January 6th effort failed because every contested state had laws on the books requiring all of their Electoral College votes to go to whichever candidate won the popular vote in the state.
[quote] 50/ That will not be the case in 2024. As we are watching, the Supreme Court — in collaboration with state legislatures through activists like Ginny Thomas — are setting that election up right now in front of us in real time.
[quote] 51/ We damn well better be planning for this, because it’s likely coming our way in just a bit more than two short years.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||July 2, 2022 12:44 PM|
Since they are strict constitutionalists, where in the constitution does it say anything about the environment?
|by Anonymous||reply 77||July 2, 2022 12:46 PM|
r36 It sounds like America is becoming ungovernable.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||July 2, 2022 12:54 PM|
No where in the Constitution is a mention of AR-15s - by Thomas’ strict interpretation. Also, a ‘bullet” was not even in existence when the Constitution was written by our forefathers. They only had muskets, not assault rifles! So get the hell out of here with that BS! If you want to storm the Capitol with muskets, please go right ahead.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||July 2, 2022 1:28 PM|
R75. R76. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||July 2, 2022 1:59 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 81||July 2, 2022 2:40 PM|
Yeah, and liberals will act shocked but do nothing
|by Anonymous||reply 82||July 2, 2022 2:56 PM|
For the sake of my own sanity, I try to look at it this way: you never know what life is going to bring. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that were it not for COVID, Trump would've cruised to re-election. But COVID did happen & turned the world on it's ass...and well, you know how that went.
While not particularly old, none of the 6 right wing judges (except for Aunt Lydia, who will live forever, of course) are young men. Thomas has had numerous health issues (aside from just being a toxic creep), Kavanaugh likely has a drinking problem and Roberts is likely under a huge amount of stress. No one lives forever.
Where possible, dems need to work to counteract SCOTUS. But I don't think going down a well of despair is helpful or productive. We may be one reversal of fortune away from change...
|by Anonymous||reply 83||July 3, 2022 8:26 PM|
The Extreme Court is not done yet….
|by Anonymous||reply 84||July 4, 2022 1:38 AM|
^^This potential ruling is a clear violation to the right to privacy guaranteed in the Constitution, but this may be just another step this Court will take to destroy and nullify the US Constitution….
And they (5 criminal/perjuring justices) don’t give a damn.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||July 4, 2022 1:44 AM|
Something like that should break this country apart. Advanced, Western countries DO NOT do things like that. That would be based entirely on religious grounds and quite a few of us don’t want to live under radical Catholic rule.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||July 4, 2022 1:46 AM|
I’m hoping that the protestors at the justices homes continue until October, when The Extremes reconvene to the Supreme Court! I bet they are miserable captives in their own homes - and they deserve every minute of personal suffering! It’s the least form of payback they can endure for all the pain and suffering (and pregnant women’s deaths) that they have imposed on American citizens.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||July 4, 2022 2:08 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 88||July 4, 2022 2:11 AM|
I have mixed feelings about this; I disagree with protestors outside of SCOTUS homes as that's a MAGA tactic to scare & harass people they don't like.
On the other hand, the thought of Uncle Clarence & Big Ginni feeling under siege, prisoners in their own home and not treated as the royalty they consider to be makes me laugh. Likewise, you know Brett is roaming around the house like a caged animal, raging about the indignity & unfairness of it all, all while belting down one glass of scotch after another. Reap the whirlwind indeed, Brett!
|by Anonymous||reply 89||July 4, 2022 10:42 AM|
Bleeding heart liberals feel conflicted now. How quaint.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||July 4, 2022 11:09 AM|
These justices deserve all the misery that can be bestowed upon them. I have no problem with protesters gathering in front of their homes 24/7, if possible. They want to make our lives miserable....so let's return the favor. Fuck them...and no feelings of conflict there. It's a war now.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||July 4, 2022 11:48 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 92||July 4, 2022 12:15 PM|
...And my favorite President is donald trump R92...
|by Anonymous||reply 93||July 4, 2022 12:18 PM|
These MAGAT trolls are a new species of crazy.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||July 4, 2022 1:10 PM|
Merrick Garfinkle Garland is letting Liz Cheney dictate dibs on criminal indictments. Even then, Garland is a neutered US Attorney General. What a traitor he is to our democracy. He’s more responsible then Dump is in America’s downfall. An utter disgrace of a man! I’m glad he is not a Supreme because he’d be felating the likes of Thomas, Kavanaugh and Alito….simultaneously!
|by Anonymous||reply 95||July 4, 2022 1:25 PM|
The SC has always legislated from the bench. Sometimes you bitchez agree with the legislation and sometimes you don't.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||July 4, 2022 1:40 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 97||July 4, 2022 1:42 PM|
More than half the thread is R97 and they can't tolerate even a slight disagreement. Not a healthy attitude.
They can't respond because they've blocked me. Lol.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||July 4, 2022 1:46 PM|
Anyone who thinks that Gen Z is going to turn any of this around is an idiot. They are extremists who won’t vote unless the candidate passes a test. They are extremely conservative, more so than previous generations. Gen Z outside of California and New York are not all liberals.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||July 4, 2022 1:56 PM|
You are already blocked! Stop talking to yourself!
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