When Democrats Lose the Midterms

You need to stop thinking about politics.

R1 is a moron.

The Dems in DC haven't accomplished a whole hell of a lot.

Why?

Centrists. That's why.

Next on the extreme left agenda is a Pedo support campaign, in the form of feeling bad for them. This will be the crossroads where sane conservative and moderate democrats will have to jump ship. Act like it’s crazy but check back in a year.

R3 is exactly what I’m referring to.

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Oh? Who stopped Biden's agenda? It wasn't AOC.

Just listen to me, and we will win!

My god, R6 is part of the problem. It’s either with us or against in a pedal to the metal attempt to see how far the line can be pushed. There is no discussion. At this point, what’s the reason to try and even talk to these far left idiots? They’re determined that they’ll win on seizing guns from rednecks and then Trans’ing their toddlers.

^ what are you on about, bitch?

If the Dems lose, it will be because of gas prices and inflation. "Latinx" won't enter into it much.

Those 2 things are not really in their power to change, but at least they could have pointed to something solid they've done - voting rights, infrastructure, drug price reform, extending school lunch support. SOMETHING.

Who killed all that? It wasn't AOC.

politics is mental illness

Then go find a royals thread and leave us alone, dear.

The Democrats are doing badly in the UK?

They can hardly get on the ballot!

It's pretty much a given. So, with Repugs in control of both chambers, they'll pass numerous conservative, feel good bills, none of which Biden will sign into law, but gives them ammo for the '24 election cycle.

Then, unless something miraculous happens and a Dem candidate worthy of energized praise comes forward, DeSantis will easily win the presidency with both a GOP Senate and House cheering him on.

You think it's scary now?

I think we're still safe in '24. It's the change election in '28 with Trump possibly running again that concerns me. He'd get elected in a wheelchair and plugged to an oxygen tank because who could possibly oppose him then?

Dems need to run strong candidates against AOC and Co. All these idiots need to go back to their barista and leader of the socialist student alliance jobs.

because the Dems are NOT united. Plain and simple.

They break into Green party or Libertarians; completely destroying their numbers. People who cry against a two-party system are only from one side of the equation. Look at the UK...they have 5 parties and whoever achieves 21% of the vote wins (usually Tories) which essentially means 79% of the country hates them!

[bold]Democrats will win the midterms[/bold] and will move left. Dems are currently in the center, but the center is no longer good enough for the good of the nation.

[quote] I think we're still safe in '24.

What planet are you living on? lol

The only reasonable blame will go to the economy.

r20 - Oh, 'oracle'! The all-seeing, wondrous one; knower of the unknown, perfect prognosticator of politics: Please give me some of what you're smoking. It sounds like quite a trip!

The Republican message is?

Trump won!

They’re policy solutions are?

Mitch McConnell said that he will tell us after the election.

[quote] If the Dems lose, it will be because of gas prices and inflation. "Latinx" won't enter into it much. Those 2 things are not really in their power to change, but at least they could have pointed to something solid they've done - voting rights, infrastructure, drug price reform, extending school lunch support. SOMETHING.

1. Economic growth, including record unemployment after the economy collapsed and vaccine rollout/pandemic management are solid achievements. The American Rescue Plan and the Infrastructure Bill (of which you are apparently unaware) are solid achievements. Biden’s immigration deal with Spain is a solid achievement. Withdrawal from Afghanistan is a solid achievement.

2. If voting rights, lowering prescription drug costs, school lunches etc. are important for midterms. Why would voters support Republicans; instead of supporting the candidates who support those policies.

That's smart politics, R24.

[quote] That's smart politics, [R24].

No message that relates to the everyday problems faced by average Americans. No polices to solve problems for average Americans. Lies now being debunked weekly by a host of people, including Republicans. That is the message. This = “smart politics.” Lies + We’ve Got Nothing to Help You Meanwhile we continue to see these endless conversations about all of the things that Democrats need to be doing, including flawless messaging, policies and actual achievements for average Americans.

@JohnJHarwood: The Biden White House is "quite frustrated" with media coverage right now.

But it's bigger than Biden: In this sea of info, it's "very, very difficult for a White House to set a clear communications strategy and see it break through to the American people."

The Repubes are [bold]flying too close to the sun[/bold]. It spells disaster for their party as it did in 2018 and 2020. Call it a natural progression to the left. Look at their peak in 2016 and how it slowly has regressed on them because they give themselves to extremes.

They just can't help themselves. The prospect of destroying women's rights is just too tantalizing and mouthwatering not to do it. Make no mistake about it, they will take a hard swing at women and in return they will be shown the door come November.

AOC was one of the worst people to get into politics.

Trump and DeSantis will run together in 2024, and win.

Ugh

[quote]This is happening in the UK

The UK bow to a really really old lady.

I told you THEN so i really shouldn't have to be telling you NOW, this two party system has got to go.

R30 AOC has said nor done nothing that would rank her on a list that includes Newt Gingrich, Mitch McConnell, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Ted Cruz, Madison Cauthorne, Michelle Bachman, Ron DeSantis, Chris Christie, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Jesse Helms, Majorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Jim Jordan, Lindsay Graham, Pat Buchanan etc.

The far-right and the far left is a horseshoe. Two sides of the same coin.

The Dems should just pivot on a few issues, like Defund The Police, and the progressive DAs in major cities. If people don't feel safe, nothing else really matters.

The sad thing is that the Dems are so out of touch with what the majority of American's want and care about that the INSANITY that is Trump and many Rethugs seems like a better option to so many. This thing is about to get uglier.

R8

AOC is a fucking loser. Like WTF has she done in Congress besides complain and block Biden’s agenda. She has never had a bill on the floor to vote on. Nothing more than an Instagram Celebrity being paid tax dollars.

This ISN'T happening in the UK, OP. The Labour Party has moved to the centre in the past 3 years - Starmer replaced Corbyn, and all his acolytes have gone from the Labour front bench.

Labour now have a consistent lead (+ 6 months) over the Conservatives of about 6 points.

But Labour should be doing a lot better than they are, r40. A lead in the opinion polls of only 6 points against the clusterfuck of a government that we have is pitiful. It's not enough to give Labour a win and the Tories will rally for a general election. Labour are almost as nuts as the Democrats on trans issues and that does matter, it's not a marginal issue and it's also reflective of how superficial a party is. I know nothing about Labour's policies, except that they believe in gender self-id, transing kids and a windfall tax on energy companies, the last of which is also a Tory policy now.

r41 Labour runs afoul of not being able to escape Jeremy Corbyn and the like... .and their continued baggage

R42 I will repeat again: Labour have held a significant and consistent lead in the polls since December last year. The Tories continuing to try and smear Labour with Corbyn is clearly not proving to be very effective.

Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so.

R41 - this argument that the lead should be bigger - the Tories basically have at least 30% of the electorate support baled in: the pro-Brexit die-hards / Back Boris cultists. It will probably take a whole year of economic stagnation to eat into that number. Labour are doing as well as could be REASONABLY expected given where they came from in 2019 - trailing by 20% in the immediate aftermath of the General Election.

Most Latinos seem to despise that term....Latinx. It seems to be offensive and phony to them. When a (used to be) big voting block for Democrats are turning more to repubs, that is one of the reasons. AOC is too involved with trendy and virtue signaling, phony optics for the party....and most intelligent people see through it. It's a major turn-off.

It's funny how the same people who say "twitter is not real life" also say "Latinx will doom us all!"

r19 The UK is a bad example of a multi-party system because of their FPTP electoral system. It's an anomaly, really.

Germany's system is much better and works as intended.

[quote] AOC is a fucking loser. Like WTF has she done in Congress besides complain and block Biden’s agenda. She has never had a bill on the floor to vote on. Nothing more than an Instagram Celebrity being paid tax dollars.

AOC is not blocking Biden's agenda. Manchin, Sinema and the senate Republicans are.

[quote] The Dems should just pivot on a few issues, like Defund The Police, and the progressive DAs in major cities. If people don't feel safe, nothing else really matters.

1. Defund the police was never part of the Democratic platform. No matter how many times Joe Biden goes on national television and talks about providing more funding for police; idiots like you will continue repeating the same Republican bullshit.

2. The rare progressive police reform that has taken place is not responsible for an uptick in crime. Which includes red states that lead in crime rates. Police reform is still very much needed. Shooting unarmed people in the back and facing no consequences is not reducing crime. It is a crime.

3. Democrats need to run as Democrats not as Republicans and turn out the Democratic base.

[quote] The sad thing is that the Dems are so out of touch with what the majority of American's want and care about that the INSANITY that is Trump and many Rethugs seems like a better option to so many. This thing is about to get uglier.

The vast majority of Americans want and care about:

Gun reform

Universal childcare

The wealthiest Americans and corporation to pay their fair share in taxes

Prescription drug cost lowered

Oil price gouging legislation

Expansion of Medicare and Obamacare

Investments in affordable housing

Investments in public schools

Expansion of voting rights

These are all policies that Democrats are attempting to pass and Republicans almost unanimously oppose and are blocking.

The party and the twice impeached incompetent crook who was voted out in record numbers who oppose all of these things seem like a better option how?

Oh because you're obsessed with the 1% of the population that = trans and that have zero impact on most people's lives. Its not Democrats who are out of touch. Its Republicans and any idiotic poor or middle class voter who supports them. Voting for a party that opposes 99% of what you want because of 1% of the populations is beyond idiotic.

R31, for that to happen, the Trump/DeSantis ticket will have to win without Florida’s electoral votes.

[quote]Nothing more than an Instagram Celebrity being paid tax dollars.

You do realize that Ted Cruz has a podcast, right?

R34 Impossible to get rid of, unfortunately.

R34 What we need is for more people to stop being cheerleaders for their parties and elected officials and start holding them accountable. They are our servants... more people need to act like it.

Lol r44, saying the previous Labour party leader - whoever he is - still has support is hardly "smearing". The fact that you think it is shows just why Labour has so many problems.

[quote] The Dems in DC haven't accomplished a whole hell of a lot.

They have accomplished quite a bit considering they have a one vote majority. The Republicans under Trump in four years accomplished a huge tax cut for the rich and corporations and a bunch of right wing judges and what else?

If accomplishments are important to you, absolutely zero will be accomplished with Republican control of either or both houses of congress while a Democrat is in the White House. A BIG ZERO.

[quote] [R34] What we need is for more people to stop being cheerleaders for their parties and elected officials and start holding them accountable.

That is hilarious especially coming from you De-Facto.

R56 That's because you haven't taken the time to read my posts and you just assume stereotypes about me.

A more pertinent thread would have been: “When the Trumptards are finally held accountable and become incarcerated.” You’re welcome.

[quote]If accomplishments are important to you, absolutely zero will be accomplished with Republican control...

Yes, which is why it was incumbent upon the Dems to be seen to be doing a LOT. And they fucked it up.

I totally agree that Republicans within a mile of power are a menace, but normal people aren't gonna be moved by "we didn't do much but the other guys are Nazis."

Americans will STILL ignore the fact that homos like Lindsey, Mitch and fat ass Cruz knew about 1/6 and are still running the game.

Americans are the dumbest!

R10 posts some variation of that sentence in every single thread in which she does post. Anafronil.

The Democratic Party? It's fine, it sends its love.

Biden's approval among the youngest voters is 25% in the latest Quinnipiac poll, the lowest of any group but Republicans, and 30 points underwater. Somehow his obliteration among this huge, progressive group has merited scarcely a word of press coverage.

[quote] When Democrats Lose the Midterms. Progressives will blame it on neoliberalism and centrism

What do you mean by "Progressives"? Do you mean Pushy Transvestites?

[quote] Progressives will blame it on neoliberalism and centrism

Woke LA DA George Gascon says his policies 'WORK' despite career criminal on probation killing two cops

Justin William Flores, who is accused of fatally shooting El Monte Police Department Cpl. Michael Paredes and Officer Joseph Santana, had a previous strike conviction and received two years probation for a felony firearm possession charge.

"We have an imperfect system," Gascon said during a Tuesday press conference, "and that's not only here in L.A. It's everywhere.

The shooter was on probation for a firearm possession charge he only served 20 days in jail for 'I urge everyone to ensure that we do not overreact here and that we do the things that we know that work,' Gascon said at the press conference Tuesday

^ Gascon is a 'Progressives'

[quote]Somehow his obliteration among this huge, progressive group has merited scarcely a word of press coverage.

The press people would say that's because the young don't show up to vote.

But, of course, why would they show up to vote for a person who delivered on literally zero of his promises to them?

I'm still waiting for the cash Joe promised me.

He welshed.

It's interesting what people talk about the Democratic party being to far to the left, they are mostly talking about woke shit. Identity politics are poison. Someone needs to focus on a clear left economic message who also isn't too woke to function.

When Democrats lose the midterms antifa should burn down a few cities. That'll show em!

It's not enough for Joe to say he was never for defunding the police. He has to actually condemn those who are. Remember, not all Democrats are for defunding the police, but all those who are for defunding are Democrats.

[quote] The Dems in DC haven't accomplished a whole hell of a lot. Why? Centrists. That's why.

The Left never knows how to govern. That's why we can't accomplish much in DC. The City Council is plagued with leftists. They have abandoned the city to miscreants who do whatever they want and think that is progressive.

People who have no boundaries cannot rule nor can they set policy. I am watching my city devolve into lawlessness and unchecked criminal behavior. We actually need Congress to step in on some issues and overrule the city council.

They can start by checking the ATV and dirt bike gangs that have literally taken over city streets, rolled all over the national mall lawn, run over people, shot guns at their rival gangs killing innocent bystanders, physically attacking people who dare to criticize then and ride these noisy fuckers in the middle of the night all over town. They have turned Rock Creek Parkway into a drag strip at 3AM.

One of our city council members - a trendy leftist - thinks it's just part of DC street culture and tells people they should get sound proof apartments. Well open air drug markets are part of DC street culture, as is shooting 6 year old little girls in the head, and fathers not being there for their children.

This is not the majority of the city or even the majority of black Washingtonians. They really need to organize to get rid of the city council. The trendy council member was opposed in the Democratic primary by a handsome gay man who I would haev voted for if I lived n that Ward. They attacked him viciously because he was a cop before he ran.

DC is fucked if they don't check this crime.

R29. What is the point of destroying women’s rights for Republicans? Do they believe that they’ll go back into the kitchen and cook? I don’t get it. Women today are better educated than men.

[Quote] Women today are better educated than men.

Yes they are but they keep voting repig or not voting at all.

Dumb in many other ways.

I’ve been reamed before for pointing out a sheer fact: The Dems are not failing because they are ‘centrists’. It is because many Democrats have Jewish backgrounds. How many Republicans come from a Jewish background? They are not the most warrior type. Yes, that is stereotyping but you cannot deny that historically they are not known to have ever been aggressive fighters or confrontational to opponents.

R49 most Americans couldn't give two shits about 90% of that list. They want: a job that pays more than inflation, affordable housing, affordable gas, affordable healthcare. No one gives a rat's ass about social justice and social programs when they're facing economic insecurity that hits in their very own home.

[quote]How many Republicans come from a Jewish background?

Henry Kissinger

Eric Cantor

Sheldon Adelson

Jason Chafetz

Lee Zelden

Barry Goldwater

The Entire Israeli Likud Party

Every Hasid in Central Brooklyn

Money lovers and misogynists all. However, I’m glad that Eric Cantor and Jason Chavetz were forced to disappear. Wonder why they were kicked out? Sheldon Adelson is a money-loving whore. Hasids spit on women that touch them. The rest are dead and thank G—I mean thank my Higher Power.

Henry Kissinger is alive, dear. And being a money lover and a misogynist isn't specific to Jews. But it is the Republican platform.

[quote]Somehow his obliteration among this huge, progressive group has merited scarcely a word of press coverage.

I mean another reason could be that young people came out en masse for the George Floyd protests - the biggest and longest-lasting series of protests in recent American history.

One of the core demands of the protests was to re-allocate funding away from militarized, unaccountable police and towards other things.

The Dems' response (including Biden's) was "Hahahah cool! Here's more cops."

[quote] And being a money lover and a misogynist isn't specific to Jews. But it is the Republican platform.

Hillary likes the cash.

[quote]Hillary likes the cash.

Four year old article. But check and mate!

New Quinnipiac poll - Georgia

Senate Warnock (D) 54% Walker (R) 44%

Governor Kemp (R) 48% Abrams (D) 48%

WHOA! Abrams in deep doo-doo. If it’s that close, she doesn’t stand a chance due to RePuke cheating. I believe a DEM needs to clear at least a ~3% win to actually pull a victory out over cheating Pukes. If it’s closer than that, Pukes will steal the election easily, especially in highly-contested red states.

Kemp is quite popular. It’s an uphill climb to defeat him

There won’t be anywhere for the party to move as the party will be outlawed.

r82, a good sport is so rare on this board. Compliments to you

An incumbent not polling at or above 50% is generally a bad sign. Couple that with the incumbent being a republican in what appears to be a very favorable political environment & - while I previously thought she was a sure loser - I'm now somewhat optimistic about Abrams's chances.

Abrams being tied is actually quite a good sign. Her success will depend on getting out the (quite sizable) black vote in Atlanta and Savannah. Of course, the Rs will do everything they can to stop this.

Democrats tend to do worse on Election Day than in polls, especially this far out

Rationalize much?

[quote]Democrats tend to do worse on Election Day than in polls

That's because Republicans commit widespread election fraud.

Perhaps, but Democratic turnout in urban precincts has been abysmal post Obama, with perhaps the exception of Atlanta

Perhaps it's because, at least in red states, the Republican government has removed polling sites from big cities (specifically the Black parts of big cities).

I'm not discounting voter apathy, but you have to remember everything Republicans say is projection.

Only to a degree. NC has a long early voting period with lots of precincts and Mail in voting, yet urban voting levels are pathetic relative to the hyper zealous voting in small towns and rural areas.

People forget it, but 2012 was neither a blue wave nor a great Democratic year. Obama won by 3.9%. A very solid margin, but not a landslide. The House vote was D+1.1.

[quote] People forget it, but 2012 was neither a blue wave nor a great Democratic year.

But it wasn't an off-year election. The electorate for such contests skews older, whiter, meaning that, by definition, Republicans already have a built-in advantage.

R97, democrats do best in presidential election years. They struggle in midterms and off year elections because they have an ongoing turnout problem

If the Rs take over the House, Biden will be impeached at least 3x, just as a sop to Trump's ego.

Hilary should run in 2024. If the UK is any indication people like really old white people as their rulers.

R100, Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer are their 50s, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak (not white and only 42) in their 40s. Not old, let alone really old, at all.

Question: If Dump announces another Presidential bid, can Obama throw his hat in again too?

No. You get eight years.

^ or more, as the example of LBJ establishes. He completed the 14 months of JFK’s term, won election in ‘64 to a full 4-year term & was eligible to serve another term if he had run for, & won, re-election in ‘68.

Generic Ballot (National)

Rep 45% Dem 44%

7/19-7/20 by Emerson College (A-) 1078 RV

^ We should know by now that in National polls of this nature, Democrats have to be in the 4+ range to be truly competitive.

Yep. So it’s a huge Republican lead

I wouldn’t say a huge Republican lead, but enough to give the Republicans the House. Narrowly. Which will give McCarthy nightmares, since he’ll have to cater to the most extreme elements in his caucus to get anything done.

[quote]I fear that this is going to be the takeaway and Democrats will become even more irrelevant. This is happening in the UK.

Tell me you know fuckall about American politics without telling me you know fuckall about American politics.

American Democrats are many things - feckless, spinless, driven by focus groups and poll numbers. Severe leftists not so much.

All the Rs know how to do is podcast and shitpost and bitch. They can't lead or govern. Them gaining power is their absolute nightmare.

So they won't work with Biden (tho they'd get a lot from him, if they tried). What they will do is performative stunts they know will lead nowhere. They'll pass the English as official language act and impeach Biden 20x and start up the Hunter Biden Witch Hunt Committee and appoint Margie Green as ambassador to Freedonia or something.