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A shocking number of men have sex with men

But not gay men, just normal men.

Because of my personal experience I am convinced only about 10% of the population is straight. 80% are flexible In the past 14 years almost every man I have been with has a wife.

by Anonymousreply 191June 24, 2022 9:24 AM


Hats off, darling!

Well played, I must say!

by Anonymousreply 1June 19, 2022 8:59 PM

And how many men is that? Did you see wedding rings? Did you think maybe they were lying to get laid easier?

by Anonymousreply 2June 19, 2022 9:04 PM

Ummm, they're called closet cases, OP.

by Anonymousreply 3June 19, 2022 9:07 PM

OP do you know for certain they were all married or is that what they told you?

by Anonymousreply 4June 19, 2022 10:07 PM

" But not gay men, just normal men. "

So, you think gay men aren't normal? You seem moronic and dfa.

by Anonymousreply 5June 19, 2022 10:10 PM

I have a friend who I sometimes work in entertainment on film crews. He is attractive and openly gay. I am not openly gay. The number of "straight" guys he gets to cross the line is shocking. It's not that he has sex with most of them but what he gets them to confess and do, even if it's just showing him their dick is surprising. I don't know if it's because of the industry we are in but a shocking number of guys will do some gay shit.

by Anonymousreply 6June 19, 2022 10:14 PM

R6 why is it shocking?

by Anonymousreply 7June 19, 2022 10:17 PM

Guys like having their dicks played with. Who would have thought?

by Anonymousreply 8June 19, 2022 10:18 PM

[quote]I am convinced only about 10% of the population is straight. 80% are flexible In the past 14 years almost every man I have been with has a wife.

What are we, chopped liver?

by Anonymousreply 9June 19, 2022 10:19 PM

Men are horny, and most men play with other men, it's been that way throughout history, most would just rather not talk about it...

by Anonymousreply 10June 19, 2022 10:24 PM

Majority of straight men (80% or more) have done stuff with another guy at some point in their life and many continue to do stuff. Women are very homophobic and expect men to be pure heterosexual.

by Anonymousreply 11June 19, 2022 10:38 PM

I second that OP, I fuck “straight” married men all the time. These women don’t even know how freaky their hubbies are

by Anonymousreply 12June 19, 2022 10:39 PM

Funny, OP, because of my experiences, I am convinced that all mens like to splash sperm on face of lady.

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by Anonymousreply 13June 19, 2022 10:41 PM

I asked my ex-wife many times if I could cum on her face. She said no way (I cum like Peter North). I put an ad on the M4M Craiglist section and got a lot of replies. Met up with someone who didn't mind me not sending a pic since I was married. He gave me a great handjob and I shot all over his face and his hair. He emailed me after saying how hot it was and that he wanted my nut again. We met up several more times after that.

by Anonymousreply 14June 20, 2022 1:16 AM

[quote]In the past 14 years almost every man I have been with has a wife.

Do you meet them at Liza concerts?

by Anonymousreply 15June 20, 2022 2:54 AM

The funny thing about labels is that people can call themselves whatever they want. Gay men are no different. They can play all kinds of mental gymnastics and give themselves whatever label they can deal with psychologically.

by Anonymousreply 16June 20, 2022 3:14 AM

We know. OP, you are a self-loathing homophobic idiot, like most of the "gay men" on here. Gay men are normal men. Just because so many of you worship the "no labels men who have sex with men coward closet cases", doesn't change the fact that gay men have existed since the beginning, and we don't need more closeted men in 2022 and beyond trying to make homosexuality taboo.

by Anonymousreply 17June 20, 2022 3:21 AM

Every once in a while I'll place a sex ad on Doublelist and the only ones who respond will be middle-aged married men. Last time a guy kept emailing, "Will you be the first dick in my ass?".

I think I just do it for laffs, because it's been years since I hooked up that way.

It's sad that these guys will pass through life never having the courage to become an open, honest gay/bi man.

by Anonymousreply 18June 20, 2022 3:36 AM

These types are poison. When blood drive time came around, all the closet cases in my company proudly went off to donate blood, which at the time I was not allowed to do. And I knew for a fact ALL of them were getting more male on male dick than me. They treated their wives like maids.

by Anonymousreply 19June 20, 2022 3:56 AM

[quote]I asked my ex-wife many times if I could cum on her face. She said no way (I cum like Peter North)

You guys are a regular Robert and Elizabeth Barrett Browning,

by Anonymousreply 20June 20, 2022 4:39 AM

I think these abortion bans come from closeted cunts. Women don't fuck their man because she don't want an abortion so he'll go to the park and get a suck.

by Anonymousreply 21June 20, 2022 4:49 AM

Traditionally, fish being so disgusting, they are used only for reproductia purposes.

Men are for pleasure.

by Anonymousreply 22June 20, 2022 5:52 AM

Back in the early 80's I took my straight hairdresser friend, who was about my father's age, with me on a day trip to visit my father and stepmother. My father kept staring at my friend, like he was smittened. I got the feeling he thought my friend was very cute because all he could do was sit in a chair smiling and looking aroused . It occurred to me that dear old dad might have had experienced gay sex in his life.

by Anonymousreply 23June 20, 2022 6:05 AM

[quote] Because of my personal experience I am convinced only about 10% of the population is straight.

The personal experience of an anonymous poster is all the proof anyone needs!

by Anonymousreply 24June 20, 2022 6:24 AM

It's not gay if it's no homo.

by Anonymousreply 25June 20, 2022 6:47 AM


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by Anonymousreply 26June 20, 2022 6:53 AM

[quote]Guys like having their dicks played with. Who would have thought?

But straight guys like it played by women. I have feeling, call it a hunch, that these men that OP is hooking up with are not straight.

by Anonymousreply 27June 20, 2022 7:52 AM

Based on your personal experience OP? So you've slept with enough guys to recognise at least 10% of the pop is gay. You're doing God's work! ;)

by Anonymousreply 28June 20, 2022 7:54 AM

[quote] I have feeling,

No, you don't. You just want bash.

by Anonymousreply 29June 20, 2022 7:55 AM

R22, old Arabian saying: girls are for babies, boys are for fun.

by Anonymousreply 30June 20, 2022 8:01 AM

Bisexuals OP. Just watch them scuttle into the safety of a heterosexual relationship when family demands.

by Anonymousreply 31June 20, 2022 8:02 AM

"Straight"...as I always put it. Always use quotations. ;)

by Anonymousreply 32June 20, 2022 8:24 AM

"I am convinced only about 10% of the population is straight" This is the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site. And that is saying something.,

by Anonymousreply 33June 20, 2022 8:27 AM

"Majority of straight men (80% or more) have done stuff with another guy at some point in their life and many continue to do stuff. Women are very homophobic and expect men to be pure heterosexual."

I take that back. Now this is the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site.

by Anonymousreply 34June 20, 2022 8:27 AM

r34, how DARE you question the FACTS of OP's personal experience! They hold true for all mankind.

by Anonymousreply 35June 20, 2022 8:35 AM

[quote]ALL of them were getting more male on male dick than me.

What other kind of dick could a man get?

by Anonymousreply 36June 20, 2022 8:39 AM

[quote] But not gay men, just normal men.

Is that you, Ronald Reagan?

by Anonymousreply 37June 20, 2022 8:42 AM

[quote]Women don't fuck their man because she don't want an abortion so he'll go to the park and get a suck.

Hehe, you must be one of these who still believe in Santa Claus. These are closet cases that come to gete asuck at park. And majority of women in 21st century don't use abortion as contraception, so even in the countries where abortion is banned, the straight couples still have a lot of recreational sex and straight men don't cruise parks and bathouses looking for homosex.

I would suggest you to use annalogy. In the times of words Aids crises, did gay men start chasing women because straight sexual relations were not as risky?

by Anonymousreply 38June 20, 2022 8:43 AM

Male homosexual behaviour was always widespread and open in most classical cultures before the rise of abrahamic religion. It's the natural state of play when taboos aren't in place.

by Anonymousreply 39June 20, 2022 8:51 AM

R39 I do wonder how much would same sex among males be more spread if there wasn't this strong taboo in societies that follow abrahamic religions. Though lot of people, particularly in Catholic church break this taboo to the core. In Muslim countries even more. But, I think many man have strong taboo about it.

On the other hand it may not all be the product of taboo. It is possible that many men may really not be into men, just as many of us are not into women.

by Anonymousreply 40June 20, 2022 8:59 AM

I've been fucking a straight married man with 3 kids for 20 years.

He's happily married and the arrangement works well for both of us.

by Anonymousreply 41June 20, 2022 9:05 AM

R41 He is not straight hun.

by Anonymousreply 42June 20, 2022 9:22 AM

We live in a world where men turn to soft fruit for pleasure. When taboos against gay sex fade, straight men will screw men without a second thought. Don't take it too much to heart, a hole is just a hole.

by Anonymousreply 43June 20, 2022 9:48 AM

r43 and str8 men are as insecure as str8 women... they trust more when a gay/bi guy is *sexually* into them than a woman especially when they're feeling insecure. There's, also, a much wider range of niches for gay men than there are for str8 guys to be attractive regardless of social or physical attributes.

for heterosexuals in general, though, they're naturally inclined to be homosocial... and particularly in youth, it blurs the line into the homoerotic if not oturight venturing on homosexual acts.

But overall, it certainly doesn't hurt that there's a lot more gay/bi men willing to give a blowjob without reciprocation, payment, expectations or strings. They can bust a nut and just leave. Many a ho will setup a gloryhole and offer them str8 porn to view, so they can further disconnect from the reality that it's a guy sucking their dick.

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by Anonymousreply 44June 20, 2022 9:58 AM

^ homosocial; I find there's a fair amount of str8 guys that enjoy the more homoerotic homosocial activites, where they might not want sex per se but want that kind of frat boy, lad culture experience that's so looked down upon now... and gradually disappears as people get older... especially in those societies that don't have continued cultures of this aspect well into old age.

by Anonymousreply 45June 20, 2022 10:02 AM

"a hole is a hole"

by Anonymousreply 46June 20, 2022 10:06 AM

it's just easier hooking up with a guy

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by Anonymousreply 47June 20, 2022 10:10 AM

[quote]We live in a world where men turn to soft fruit for pleasure. When taboos against gay sex fade, straight men will screw men without a second thought. Don't take it too much to heart, a hole is just a hole.

So, if some frau hits you, you would gladly give in, cause hole is a hole?

by Anonymousreply 48June 20, 2022 10:33 AM

What a load of crap.

by Anonymousreply 49June 20, 2022 10:35 AM

Well for a time in the 1960s and 70s 'gay' was more a political project. Over the world a lot of man-on-man sex happens without either person identifying as gay.

by Anonymousreply 50June 20, 2022 10:37 AM

How large is your surgery sample OP?

by Anonymousreply 51June 20, 2022 10:38 AM

R48 gay conversion therapy talk is popular on Datalounge. They think making "straight" men fuck any hole is progress, but that means homosexuality is a choice as well and that all of us gay men would fuck female holes, which is obviously bullshit and homophobic! I don't know why so many gay men still believe in this homophobic self-loathing "straight" man sex delusional shit!

by Anonymousreply 52June 20, 2022 10:39 AM

R50 that's called stigma, homophobia, and being closeted. Avoiding being called gay when they are, is classic homophobia. It's never gone away. The homophobia and stigma of homosexuality is still going strong today. It's fucking infuriating how little to no progress has been made towards ending homophobia to a larger degree.

by Anonymousreply 53June 20, 2022 10:43 AM

Thanks for sharing your personal experience, OP, and making a general statement out of it.

Ten percent gay is still accepted by the rest of us, but believe your false statistics if it makes you feel better about being gay.

by Anonymousreply 54June 20, 2022 10:43 AM

[quote]They think making "straight" men fuck any hole is progress, but that means homosexuality is a choice as well and that all of us gay men would fuck female holes, which is obviously bullshit and homophobic!

Completely agree with you. I don't know if all these men that say any hole is the same and that straight men would engage in homosex cause it is easier to hook up with guys are bisexual or illogical. Cause on the contrary you can just as well say that there is much bigger choice of women than gay men and that in more conservative places and smaller towns it is so much easier to find a woman than a gay man. Following their logic, gay men would be hitting on women all the time, cause hole is a hole.

I believe, as there are many of us who are into men only, so there are men into women exclusively, who are just not attracted to men. Not everyone is fluid as it is modern to believe these days.

by Anonymousreply 55June 20, 2022 10:56 AM

R55 exactly, and I couldn't agree more! You nailed it!

by Anonymousreply 56June 20, 2022 11:01 AM

No woman can service a guy like a gay guy and that's why my long term straight hook up has continued for many a year while he does the wife and kids stuff at other times.

by Anonymousreply 57June 20, 2022 11:23 AM

R57 he is bi. Please stop being a fucking dumbass moron. Would you as a gay man let a woman service you!? And if so, you aren't gay, you are bi, just like the married "straight" guy you have sex with. Once you start promoting the "straight" guys have sex with men bullshit, especially regular sex with men, you've just emboldened the "gay is a choice" religious bullshit mantra. You are doing massive damage to yourself as a gay man and to all of us gay men by promoting the "straight" men have sex with men, because that gives homophobes ammunition to say that "gay" men have sex with women.

by Anonymousreply 58June 20, 2022 11:33 AM

No. 80% of straight men haven't done something with a guy. You forget most grew up in conservative middle America where they attended church on Sundays, lost their virginity at prom, fooled around once or twice in college then married their high school sweetheart (the one they took to prom) raising their family in a similar manner while attending church every Sunday where the man is a deacon or usher. Straight conservative life is boring.

However in liberal environments and big cities like NYC, LA, SF and Miami, I believe OP's estimate is more accurate and most guys will at have at least considered doing something with a guy.

by Anonymousreply 59June 20, 2022 11:48 AM


[quote] there is much bigger choice of women than gay men and that in more conservative places and smaller towns

no because the values system differs even more so than the city, in fact, you'll find even more str8 guys trolling for a discrete gay blowjob. . . because even casually hanging out with females leads to too much speculation and rumours of cheating or the more frequent result of ending up with pregnancies with a lack of public resources for prevention.

As with the city, we can also address the realities of drug use as well... which, frankly, one would find that many ex-gay/bi men that stayed ex-gay/bi were only able to have sex with men while under the influence.

We could also get into how people will claim if a gay man ever got enough of a hardon with a female to have sex or children that proves he isn't gay while fundamentally ignoring what people are actually attracted to... just as getting an erection or even ejaculating while you're being sexually assaulted doesn't mean you enjoy it.

just as the numerous gay men that settled down with women during the aids/hiv crisis era didn't turn str8 overnight. Incidentally, I'm thinking more of the stories of hiv positive men that ended up with hiv positive women. . . albeit, many of those were more marriage fraud for insurance and the need for companionship.

of course, there is an idea of tribal sexuality that I do think plays out to much of this.. in which homosexuality is more permissable in youth and old age because of the benefit it provides to the tribe. No doubt individuals attracts are more hardwired but it's relative to access and availability.

To which for gay men and lesbians our dating pools are relatively small, so hookups (or uhauls) are more common than waiting for the one.

Many lesbians will tell you that str8 girls play into being les for a day.. and given the stereotype of them b eing more likely to invest in relationships than casual hookups, hence, the greater hostility towards bi women among lesbians than bi men among gay men. There's more value in a gold star lesbian than there is in a gold star gay man.

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by Anonymousreply 60June 20, 2022 11:59 AM

^while the reverse is true when it comes to breeders, it's not so much that a gold star str8 woman has no value nor that a gold star str8 man is valued but rather I think this becomes more to the idea of what represents the fantasy fable of a "good" man as valued by women (and their peers) that despite not trusting a single bloke.. have an impossible ideal of good represents. Hence, str8 guys will look elsewhere.. toss in that many women don't like their man watching porn and some feel inadequate if he masturbates even without it.

This become more to trying to deny the differences in biology. . . of course, these biological differences is not a license to break social and moral taboos. And there are men that will abstain, some yes, will hold out for pussy or even stay faithful.

But all this comes down to saying men don't masturbate.

Most of the time, when a str8 guy hooks up with a dude. It's an extension of masturbation... that's often what represents his earliest same sex experiences.

and likewise, many str8 women have experiences of making out with other girls or having crushes that went a little too far.

It's more just innocent sexual play in youth. In college years, it's more exploring the what ifs and a little taboo breaking.

In adulthood, it's primarily down to availability and access. There a lot of str8 men that rationalize it as it's ok to engage in sexual play with a guy because they're not attracted to them. They're not giving away their heart and there's no risk of it. . . so, they don't view it as cheating on their spouses.

of course, even in this age, if he's found out.,. that's still far more taboo to more women than if he had cheated with another woman. . . its viewed with disdain on the level of the worst perversions.

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by Anonymousreply 61June 20, 2022 12:17 PM

[quote]However in liberal environments and big cities like NYC, LA, SF and Miami, I believe OP's estimate is more accurate and most guys will at have at least considered doing something with a guy.

They might have experimented with boys as kids, just like gay guys did with girls (of course gay boys do it much more cause heterosexuality is the norm), but it means nothing really, cause kids want to try anything, but that doesn't mean that these people are bisexual and will continue to have homosexual encounters.

Although I believe that attraction to males is stronger and some guys exposed to homosex as kids might get an acquired taste, but it doesn't mean that straight men feel the same.

by Anonymousreply 62June 20, 2022 12:18 PM
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by Anonymousreply 63June 20, 2022 12:18 PM

on a similar note, we could also look at chubby chasers. . . while there's some with an actual fetish, we're not as inclined to go down the same line of questioning on str8 men's sexualities and inclinations.

the relative point is the amount of str8 guys that actively seek out BBW because when they're advertising, they tend to be more open to one night stands... especially in the craigslist era.

by Anonymousreply 64June 20, 2022 12:23 PM

Who is BBW?

by Anonymousreply 65June 20, 2022 12:26 PM

[quote]" Straight"...as I always put it. Always use quotations.

That's the DL motto. Quotation mark abuse on this site is unparalleled.

by Anonymousreply 66June 20, 2022 12:28 PM

[quote] No. 80% of straight men haven't done something with a guy. You forget most grew up in conservative middle America where they attended church on Sundays, lost their virginity at prom, fooled around once or twice in college then married their high school sweetheart (the one they took to prom) raising their family in a similar manner while attending church every Sunday where the man is a deacon or usher.

And thinking about dick every spare chance. And trolling apps/bookstores/saunas constantly because the high school sweetheart has gained 40lbs/won't put out anymore since she had the kids/doesn't meet their sexual needs/bored because they've only had sex with their high school sweetheart/did the marriage thing to appease family/society. You forgot that part. Craigslist should've had a Married Men for Men section.

by Anonymousreply 67June 20, 2022 12:33 PM

^The same goes to other women outside of the norms of their respective peer groups. . . which again, is merely availability and access. So, male standards do drop significantly. . .

For sexual encounters, str8 females have the most choice... but this, of course, is still a hierarchy within their demographic. . . and the vast majority in hookup spots aren't looking for sex, usually because they've already been flooded with hundreds of unsolicited dick shots.

So, those that do and are a 10 are likely booked for the next decade. 7 thru 9 also can afford to be picky even in areas with slim pickings. . . and these women are more likely to commit to a one night stand at the local pub than with a dating site.

so, that brings us to those more likely to avoid the physical meat market because they really can't compete except in specialty arenas.. unsurprisingly, these are also the types more likely to try being a kissing jessica stein type lesbian for a while. . . and thru hookups, they'll possibly experience guys that would look at them with disdain, if not outright disgust, in the pubs.

Otherwise, there are many a lass that enjoys casual encounters and largely empowered by it, too... it's not as if we can place any of these into neat little boxes for whatever sense of our morality.

But in this case, we don't dissect as much whether this lad especially fetishizes a morbidly obese woman. No, we recognize that in most situations, he's just looking to bust a nut. So, she can have antlers growing out of her head, and one leg. Or same on the contrast with a 10 that offers him her time but she does have a fetish and one he's repulsed by but it might only take up 5% of the encounter.

the fraus in this thread are the types that would have cut you for suggesting Rock Hudson might be gay back in the day. . . or some other celeb dreamhunk they could never imagine would ever been a bastard when he's just not like one of those guys.

like transtrenders, so many of these women have delusional fantasies about males because of all their peer based fanfiction and roleplaying.

by Anonymousreply 68June 20, 2022 12:48 PM

God the delusion on this site. If the wife, the high school sweetheart has gained 40lbs/won't put out anymore since she had the kids/doesn't meet their sexual needs/bored because they've only had sex with their high school sweetheart, the straight guy will not start thinking about dick, but pussy and will try to find him some woman on the side.

by Anonymousreply 69June 20, 2022 12:48 PM

[quote]For sexual encounters, str8 females have the most choice.

Not so sure. Straight guys have much higher standards for women than straight women have for straight men. Me would mostly expect woman to be younger, more in shape, better looking than him.

by Anonymousreply 70June 20, 2022 12:52 PM

[quote]OP: But not gay men, just normal men.

Oh, fucking dear.

by Anonymousreply 71June 20, 2022 12:54 PM

There is not a YAWN big enough for this thread.

by Anonymousreply 72June 20, 2022 1:00 PM

This thread is filled with dumb shit.

No, most men are not interested in dicks other than their own. You choose to sleep with the closeted married dudes, good for you, but that doesn't make most men secretly gay.

No, straight men are NOT interested in dudes. They want tits and pussy. When they cheat, it's with a chick.

No, straight guys do not have higher standards. It's the opposite. Straight women are able to be more selective and often are.

Men are not more sexually fluid than women.

Let's see, what other crazy shit is in this thread.

Oh, the fact that a guy let himself get blown or jacked off next to another guy in high school does not necessarily mean he's actually into dudes. Now, if he fucked a guy, got fucked, or sucked a dick, that's more telling.

by Anonymousreply 73June 20, 2022 1:27 PM

R69, it's tiresome. And in many cases requires wining and dining and emotions. Why go through all that when you go online and in 20 minutes find a more than eager guy already on his knees and doesn't even want to know your name?

by Anonymousreply 74June 20, 2022 1:39 PM

Miss r39 is correct. Fish are both disgusting and not even interested in sex.

Therefore man on man actia is the natural state.

by Anonymousreply 75June 20, 2022 1:45 PM

The idea of a "Gay Man" ONLY dates from the last year of the 19th century. Before that there was no definition of it, it was just something that people did. Men have been having sex with men for millennia. There was idea of a straight man vs. gay vs. bi. The concept didn't exist. It was just people having sex with people.

Straight men are starting to Fetishize Gay Sex

But since we've been living in this post label world for about 130 years now, I have seen a growing number of str8 men Fetishizing gay sex. It has a lot to do with online porn. Guys can watch how men have sex with each other, if they are curious, in the comfort of their own room. They see guys like themselves having sex with each other men, normalizing it. But the taboo aspect of it all for them turns the desire for gay sex into a fetish. I have talked to so many str8 guys who jack off to the idea of sucking a big cock, or getting stretched open, used, fucked. They are not attracted to men. The are just turned on by what a man can do to them, subject them to, make them do. They usually want to be forced, or blindfolded, or drunk or high or in some ways just incapacitated so what ver is happening is happening TO them and is not a conscious decision on their part. They want several men to take them because one on one is too intimate. They want zero attachment. These are their fantasies.

And married guys who have long ago stopped having regular sex with their wives are finding younger twink bottom guys more desirable. One, a lot of them are fem and soft. The sex is a lot easier to find without the hassle of some girl begging you to leave your wife or getting pregnant. Very few women would be willing to wait ass up for your arrival, just to fuck them. And with prep it is a lot safer to play and if you happen to catch something these days it's the sort of thing you can clear up with medicine.

by Anonymousreply 76June 20, 2022 1:53 PM

Huge majority of men are 100% straight. Huge majority of straight men are disgusted by gay sex.

by Anonymousreply 77June 20, 2022 2:10 PM

R54 Ten percent gay isn't accepted by the rest of us. It's a bullshit number that Alfred Kinsey came up with. And he did his "researches" in male prisons and gay underground scene. Plus he didn't knew the difference between gay and bi. Even today, in 2022 if you look at the latest researches, the number of gay AND bi people is under 5% on any poll you look at, from any country that made said researches.

by Anonymousreply 78June 20, 2022 2:17 PM

There is sex, and then there is the picking out of china patterns and an emotional connection.

by Anonymousreply 79June 20, 2022 2:23 PM

They have no "emotional connection" to substitute mothers.

by Anonymousreply 80June 20, 2022 2:33 PM

Even if there are no women available, I’m not swimming to gay island

by Anonymousreply 81June 20, 2022 2:37 PM

[quote] Women are very homophobic and expect men to be pure heterosexual.

That hasn't been my experience, I find most women more accepting than straight men, but man if they find out their husband prefers dick over pussy, watch out.

by Anonymousreply 82June 20, 2022 2:46 PM

This thread is baffling.

A number of otherwise hetero guys (10%?, 20%?) will experiment with another guy sometime in their teens and early 20s. It is almost always unplanned and with someone they consider a friend. Alcohol and drugs are usually involved too--hanging out after a party-- and while they may repeat the activity, which is usually limited to oral, they eventually grow out of it and they don't go looking for other men to have sex with.

[bold] Any guy who goes on Grindr or similar apps looking for a man to have sex with is not straight. They are likely closeted, bi at best.[/bold]

How do you all not know this?

by Anonymousreply 83June 20, 2022 2:49 PM

r82, it makes sense. A guy cheating with another chick is either too much of a horn dog to just bang you, or he's no longer attracted to you physically. But if he secretly likes dick, that means your whole marriage from the very beginning was a lie. Devastating, infuriating. Years, sometimes decades, of life wasted.

by Anonymousreply 84June 20, 2022 2:51 PM

R82 R84 --- as has been discussed on DL ad infinitum, hetero men think it's hot when a woman has a bi experience, but hetero women largely hold to the theory of "suck one cock and you are gay forever" Which is why their spouses do not disclose their teenage experimentation

by Anonymousreply 85June 20, 2022 2:55 PM

Um who the fuck cares what they are called R3?

by Anonymousreply 86June 20, 2022 3:02 PM

[quote]And married guys who have long ago stopped having regular sex with their wives are finding younger twink bottom guys more desirable.

Straight guy wound find a twink bottom desirable as much as you queens find desirable a young butch girl. God, the delusion!

by Anonymousreply 87June 20, 2022 6:01 PM

R87 Sex is sex. I would fuck a young butch girl given the right circumstances because I like fucking people in general. I like the act of fucking and the way something warm feels around my cock. I am not looking for a girl to fuck, but if the opportunity arose, I probably would. And I am gay and attracted to the male form. But if I had some butch fem neighbor who was super horny and would wait ass up and I could walk in and she'd let me fuck her hole with gay porn playing on the tv and go, I'd probably take her up on it.

by Anonymousreply 88June 20, 2022 6:18 PM

OP- A SHOCKING number of men are BOTTOMS

by Anonymousreply 89June 20, 2022 6:25 PM

R88 You are bisexual slut, you are not relevant on this matter.

by Anonymousreply 90June 20, 2022 6:34 PM

A lot of people here are confusing sex with love.

Many straight men will have sex with another man but could never love them.

That is why I say my long term straight hook up(married with kids) is not bisexual.

I've known him long enough to know he is completely incapable of falling in love with another man, but will have sex with them purely as a sexual release. A release that 'the wife' wont either provide enough or has lost interest for the most part.

If he could score pussy, he'd be there in a flash as well, and on past experience develop feelings for them on an instinctual level, but a total zero with a guy.

It's a matter, I suppose, as what you define as bisexual.

I see it as both love and lust. Not just one without the other.

And spare me the oh pathetic you etc. I know the deal and I enjoy the arrangement. If i didn't I wouldn't bother. I have no interest in him 'loving' me in the slightest. It aint the deal.

by Anonymousreply 91June 21, 2022 1:12 AM

Women want to be wined and dined. Guys just wanna get their rocks off.

by Anonymousreply 92June 21, 2022 2:23 AM

This /

by Anonymousreply 93June 21, 2022 2:43 AM

British naval ships!

by Anonymousreply 94June 21, 2022 3:36 AM

Rum, sodomy and the lash! Not your father's HMS Pinafore.

by Anonymousreply 95June 21, 2022 3:43 AM

Where are all you homos finding these "straight" guys to have sex with? You do know that gay guys posenas straight to get more cock.

by Anonymousreply 96June 21, 2022 5:42 AM

To the lady naysayers, get on Grindr yourselves and see.

by Anonymousreply 97June 21, 2022 5:53 AM

R97 I can write on Grindr that am 9'6 tall, athletic, 20 yo blonde straight guy, having a wife and mistress and three kids, as well.

by Anonymousreply 98June 21, 2022 6:05 AM

Plenty of straight friends in your inner and outer circle will call on your gay expertise when the wife loses interest after year 2 of marriage.

by Anonymousreply 99June 21, 2022 6:09 AM

Remember when a poster on DL talked about how he would lie and tell men he was straight and married because he could score so well and a bunch of queens freaked out? That was funny

by Anonymousreply 100June 21, 2022 6:09 AM

Yeah, you can, R98.

Your point? Although there is no discussing it more from me. Men like sex.

by Anonymousreply 101June 21, 2022 6:20 AM

Help me understand. Is fucking a straight guy akin to bagging a unicorn? Most straight men past 30 are slobs.

by Anonymousreply 102June 21, 2022 6:21 AM

Actor here. When I moved from NYC to LA for work, I was surprised how few gays worked on my project. They all had wives and families. One lesbian and that was it. It was upsetting.

by Anonymousreply 103June 21, 2022 6:27 AM

I think the secret is being a cool laid back, not queeny gay guy. I have a handful of close straight friends. They know exactly who I am. When we go out I am looking for boys, they are looking for girls. I am extremely comfortable in my sexuality around them, I don't apologize for it. These are pretty attractive guys, have no problem getting girls. They are bartenders, trainers, people I've met over my years in NYC and started hanging out with. Every single one of them, at some point has opened up to me about shit they have done with other guys, either in school or in their early 20s. Most of them have said they have never ever told anyone. And most surprisingly it was usually with a much older guys at the time.

One buddy was telling me about some 50 year old man who picked him up when he was 19 on the Long Island Railroad on his way home. That became a thing where the older guy would just suck him off, give him stuff. Another told me about how a father of a friend at the time started playing with him, same thing, sucking him, pushing his limits. And they talk about how they enjoyed it, it was just about sex and how they still think about it sometimes but haven't done anything like it since. Of course that drives me crazy because I would suck each and every one of them off. Instead they just send me pics of fucking girls, show me pics of their cocks and a joke because they know I like it.

by Anonymousreply 104June 21, 2022 6:57 AM

Straight men usually crave twinks once they reach 40.

by Anonymousreply 105June 21, 2022 7:11 AM

R101 My point is that these guys claiming to be straight on Grindr are lying, cause straight men are on Tindr looking for chicks, not Grindr. Btw. I see that I have written that I could write on profile that I was 9'6 tall, that would be too much lying even for Grindr. I meant that I could write on profile that I was 6'6" tall, just as these guys are claiming to be straight. I mean, when you meet you would see that I am not 6'6", just as you would see that a guy is not straight once he has your dick in his mouth.

by Anonymousreply 106June 21, 2022 7:37 AM

[quote]Straight men usually crave twinks once they reach 40.

Gay men usually crave butch lesbians once they reach 40.

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by Anonymousreply 107June 21, 2022 7:39 AM

DLer's dream

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by Anonymousreply 108June 21, 2022 7:42 AM

You know, it's funny. Considering how much the Boomer generation loves to wax on about millenials and Gen Z being obsessed with labels, I find they're often just as guilty.

I've personally always believed that in order for someone to be gay/bi, there needs to be an emotionally romantic aspect. Otherwise, it's a fetish.

Don't get me wrong - there are definitely guys who are repressed and refuse to accept truths about themselves, but when you're so pressed by society to define yourself via narrow constraints (gay, straight, or bi), I can understand why some guys would rather not.

I hooked up with a few straight guys before. It was just fun. There was no romance on either part. One of them I've hooked up with a few times since. I don't consider him gay or bi, as I don't actually think he'd enter a relationship with a man. The others... I don't know if they've done anything with other guys since.

I don't define myself by other people's standards, and I don't blame anyone else who doesn't.

I'm gay, incidentally. I choose that for myself because it's how I see myself. Not because some label-obsessed pseudo-polotical hack nagged me into using their terms.

by Anonymousreply 109June 21, 2022 8:03 AM

[quote]Many straight men will have sex with another man but could never love them. That is why I say my long term straight hook up(married with kids) is not bisexual.I've known him long enough to know he is completely incapable of falling in love with another man, but will have sex with them purely as a sexual release.

Nope, he could just be the worst case of self loathing closet case. I have read posts, here on DL, of guys who say that they are not even sexually attracted to women, but can only connect romantically with them (the romance without sexual attraction, wtf is that), while with men who they are attracted to, they have to run away the moment they come, because they feel nauseated after the sexual act. People have various psychological issues about sexuality, particularly when it comes to same sex attraction, which is the cause of big shame in many people.

There are many gay men on DL who only have sex with guys and never fall in love and don't have relationships, yet they don't delude themselves that they are not homosexual. Sexual orientation is about sexual attraction, having the problems of emotionally connecting with people you are attracted to is another psychological issue. How do you know if this guy even feels something for his wife? There are many loveless marriages, but heterosexual marriage is expected and convenient.

This guy who you have been fucking for 20 years, is at least bisexual. Btw, isn't it almost the norm for bisexuals to only hook up with men and to be in relationships with women.

by Anonymousreply 110June 21, 2022 8:11 AM

R109 As I said in my previous post, I believe that it is almost norm for bisexuals to only have hook ups, without romance and relationship with men.

Same with married closet cases. You know the type that only cheta wife with men, cause they are not attracted to other women than the wife who they have for societal reasons. They can spend their whole life without ever having a romance/relationship with men.

by Anonymousreply 111June 21, 2022 8:18 AM

Not true. My long time straight married man hook up had an affair with another woman over a long time and definitely had deep feelings for her. It became quite messy when the family found out but all parties decided to stay together and he ended the affair. On the sidelines i witnessed it all I could careless about the other woman. Love didn't come into our deal and therefore there was no jealousy.

by Anonymousreply 112June 21, 2022 10:55 AM

Ok, he is bisexual slut then, R112.

by Anonymousreply 113June 21, 2022 10:56 AM

I can agree on one thing with you R109, I really don't care about men who don't or can't engage emotionally or romantically, would rather leave all these men with confused sexuality to psychiatrists.

by Anonymousreply 114June 21, 2022 11:01 AM

The self delusion of the Eldergay is mind blowing.

Some otherwise straight guys will have some sort of gay sexual encounter when they are in their teens or early 20s, but it is always situational (e.g., they were with a buddy and both drunk)

Straight guys do not go on Grindr or Craigslist or go to bathhouses or gay bars.

Those are either:

a) gay men pretending to be straight to pull in hotter dick

b) closeted gay men who are married to women and may indeed still have sex with them and father children with them. (This is not unusual.)

c) bisexuals

But FFS, gay guys don't come home and say "No luck at the Velvet Spike tonight, better go on Tindr and find some hot chick to blow me" and more than straight guys go on Grindr to find a gay guy to blow them.

by Anonymousreply 115June 21, 2022 12:34 PM

^^ANY more than

by Anonymousreply 116June 21, 2022 12:34 PM

1, I hate when people say I don't go by Labels. Can we just agree from now on that whatever label you don't go by is what you actually are but don't want to be known as of yet? It's like someone asking if you're Left Handed - "I don't go by labels." You were born in LA, aren't you Californian? - "I don't go by labels." The only labels someone doesn't go by are the ones they are embarrassed by. I am sure most people would have no problem with someone labelling them - attractive, smart, rich, talented. I am gay, I'm not embarrassed being gay, therefore it doesn't bother me when someone labels me as gay.

2. The label is based on what you masturbate to, period. What you masturbate to is the best indication of what you desire sexually. Better than what you have done or will do physically. When your mind can go anywhere it wants, the things it chooses to land on to get you off is what you are sexually. That is how I know I have had sex with straight men, and they are not closet cases. They just liked the convenient, no trouble, no attachment head that guys give other guys. They are not at home jacking off to the idea of a guy going down on them. They usually aren't even thinking that when it's happening. Once you start masturbating to thoughts of that pretty boy's mouth on your dick, that is a different thing all together.

And for anyone who asks "who would ever want to have sex with someone like that above?" has no concept of sexual attraction at all and must have a super dry ass sex life. I am not saying you would want to do it all the time, but hot sex can sometimes be completely one-sided AND fulfilling at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 117June 21, 2022 1:11 PM

[quote] Where are all you homos finding these "straight" guys to have sex with? You do know that gay guys posenas straight to get more cock.

Hotel bars usually. If you're masculine, reasonably goodlooking and non-predatory, you'd be surprised. Bonus if you can talk sports.

by Anonymousreply 118June 21, 2022 1:45 PM

The one's complaining, whining and screaming they MUST be bisexual have likely never been intimate with straight guys and have no clue how it works other than their ideological stance on the issue. When you're involved, you know and you see the difference in how they are with women, the instinctual need to bond on a deeper level with them that is non existent with their singular or regular male hookups.

by Anonymousreply 119June 21, 2022 2:04 PM

OP, how long did it take for you to realize that not exactly earth shattering fact about human sexuality? Are you going to be telling us about clitoral orgasms next or are you too delicate for that?

by Anonymousreply 120June 21, 2022 2:26 PM

[quote] They are not at home jacking off to the idea of a guy going down on them. They usually aren't even thinking that when it's happening. Once you start masturbating to thoughts of that pretty boy's mouth on your dick, that is a different thing all together.


You "know" this because it's what they tell you to maintain the illusion of heterosexuality.

In my single days in my 20s, despite being a full-on homo, I would tell guys I hooked up with that "I never do things like this" and that I had a fiancee and we had hot sex all the time and how in love I was with her.

It was a form of role playing, they'd ask me to fuck them the way I fucked my (mythical) fiancee.

Again--if a guy is on an app looking for gay sex, he is not hetero.

by Anonymousreply 121June 21, 2022 2:33 PM

[quote] When you're involved, you know and you see the difference in how they are with women, the instinctual need to bond on a deeper level with them that is non existent with their singular or regular male hookups.

You just described a bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 122June 21, 2022 2:51 PM

Ludicrous. If that happened their male hookups wouldn't happen at all.

by Anonymousreply 123June 21, 2022 2:54 PM

I pretend I’m a curious straight married man on Grindr and get laid all the time

by Anonymousreply 124June 21, 2022 3:25 PM

[quote] You "know" this because it's what they tell you to maintain the illusion of heterosexuality. In my single days in my 20s, despite being a full-on homo, I would tell guys I hooked up with that "I never do things like this" and that I had a fiancee and we had hot sex all the time and how in love I was with her. It was a form of role playing, they'd ask me to fuck them the way I fucked my (mythical) fiancee. Again--if a guy is on an app looking for gay sex, he is not hetero.

I know this personally because I have straight buddies who have opened up to me about stuff they have done with other guys in the past. Buddies I haven't had sex with, but who I know have hooked up in the past with guys. I know their girlfriends. I know the about girls they cheat with behind their girlfriends backs. I know the kind of stuff that turns them on because guys talk about sex with each other a lot. These guys are not fantasizing about other guys at all, checkin out other guys. But at some point in the past they have let a guy suck them off. Their hetero life is not a facade, it is an actuality. It is what they prefer. And I would imagine probably what they masturbate to.

It's funny I just finished talking to another buddy, texting him. He was going on about how he wanted to hook up with this bartender where he is now because she said he had a crush on him. He's married with two kids. I was just telling him what a dumb idea that would be. He was telling me all the shit he would do to her, want to do to her. I basically said if you're gonna cheat, don't do it with some single bartender chick who might be unstable and have nothing to lose. Either pay someone, do it with someone you will never see again and knows nothing about you OR someone who has more to lose than you do. But mind you, this dude loves sending me pics of his cock because he gets off on being an exhibitionist. Him I actually might have sucked once or twice. Gorgeous cock. I miss it.

"There’s a bartender here I always see for lunch who told me the other day she has a massive crush on me. Then after I left she told my buddy she’d let me do whatever I wanted to her. I’d probably let her take me upstairs to her place. Drive her crazy kissing her. Kiss her through her panties to get her soaked. Let her suck my cock while I finger her from the back. Then pull her panties aside and fuck that plump pussy while I bite and suck her feet. Then hit it from the back. Eating her ass while I drag my cock across her sweaty soles. She’s aware I’m married and all and she knows I’m leaving this job in a few weeks. It’s definitely something to think about your right"

after my advice:

"Oooooohhhh your good. Your right for sure. I love you for your words of wisdom. You know very how my anxiety gets. I let my cock run away with thoughts sometimes. Much appreciated"

by Anonymousreply 125June 21, 2022 3:32 PM

Ah yes, your personal experience…

by Anonymousreply 126June 21, 2022 3:56 PM

There is a really strong contingent of miserable people on DL with sad lives, like r126, who refuse to believe anything other than what is happening in their dusty corner of the world could actually exist. And their worlds are getting smaller and smaller it seems because they are refusing to believe even the simplest things could occur. There needs to be a Juneteenth-like intervention for them to let them know the pandemic is over and they can get off of their computers and leave their basements and enter the real world again.

by Anonymousreply 127June 21, 2022 4:17 PM

R127 believes there are no sexes just like he believes a man who sex with other men are "straight"

by Anonymousreply 128June 21, 2022 6:23 PM

The guy who posted his wife would not let him cum on her face...why did you post in m4m? Why not post in m4w?

by Anonymousreply 129June 21, 2022 6:35 PM

I believe a man who lets another man suck his cock can be straight, yes r128. A man will stick his dick in a gloryhole and have no idea who is sucking on it, and still get off. That doesn't change his sexual identity. It's like saying a woman who wants to get choked out during sex wants a husband who beats her when she doesn't have dinner on the table.

by Anonymousreply 130June 21, 2022 6:53 PM

SMH @ R125

You are confirming what was posted at R115,

Your straight friends who love to share their gay sex stories with you all (by your account) had some experimental fumblings when they were in their teens and early twenties. Point being they did not actively seek out a gay men to have sex with. This is common enough and it's an experience and they go on to lead heterosexual lives. Thus it is not surprising that they are straight or that they had a homosexual experience (or two) in their youth.

[bold] The guys so many DLers claim are "straight" are guys they meet on Grindr or CraigsList back in the day or similar. These guys are actively looking for gay sex. They have downloaded an app, created profiles and sent photos, agreed to meet up with a stranger for a gay sexual encounter. These men are not straight. [/bold]

See the difference?

by Anonymousreply 131June 21, 2022 7:12 PM

Labels are so 2012.

by Anonymousreply 132June 21, 2022 7:17 PM

R129, I did that first. Had a few serious responses but nothing ever came of it so to speak.

by Anonymousreply 133June 21, 2022 7:19 PM

OP here. Who the fuck said straight? I said Married.

As for this bit of shit."Straight guys do not go on Grindr or Craigslist or go to bathhouses or gay bars:"

I meet them in hotel bars, the gym, and other NON gay places. I never go on grinder (craigslist has long been defunct) baths or gay bars. I hate gay bars.

The label does not matter, what I am saying is that in my experience many men are flexible.

by Anonymousreply 134June 21, 2022 7:20 PM

[quote] Ten percent gay isn't accepted by the rest of us. It's a bullshit number that Alfred Kinsey came up with. And he did his "researches" in male prisons and gay underground scene.

No, the 10% came BEFORE Kinsey did his research in prisons.

He was a scientist and knew what an objective survey is. He knew quite well that just surveying the gay underground scene would have skewed the results.

by Anonymousreply 135June 21, 2022 7:21 PM


OP is the Hotel Bar Troll.

He has posted about this before.

I suspect he once met a closet case in a hotel bar....

by Anonymousreply 136June 21, 2022 7:24 PM

I think we have another troll.

by Anonymousreply 137June 21, 2022 7:31 PM

R135 And where did those 10% came from them? Someone made it up. Even today, in 2022, every poll you see has the numbers that are waaaay lower. About 2%-3% at most identify as gay.

by Anonymousreply 138June 21, 2022 7:44 PM

All the straight guys I have met who I have ended up playing with I met out and about, not on any app. And not that it was my goal necessarily to do anything with them. I just found them attractive and struck up a friendship with them. It could be a good year or so of knowing them before anything happened. Or before they opened up to me about stuff they had done in the past. But I must say, the number of straight men I have encountered who haven't done anything at all with another guy is smaller than those who've had.

by Anonymousreply 139June 21, 2022 7:46 PM

I think we found OP

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by Anonymousreply 140June 21, 2022 8:00 PM

Humans are horny by default sexual beings. We are supposed to be. Beauty and attraction, man, that's the ticket to which we are all responsive. You're trying to tell me that a man can find beauty in a woman, a car, a home, a situation, a place, architecture, animals, furniture, and on and on and on. But, when it comrs to the appearance and energy of another male, then NOPE! He has absolutely no opinion in any direction re said male. Conformity is the culprit. Again, the extreme aversion to the homosex is a learned and conditioned aversion. Acceptance of feigned ignorance and useful hypocrisy spells safety. The propensity, I've always believed, still exists in many, no matter that they will not admit to it. Use your fucking heads!

by Anonymousreply 141June 21, 2022 8:00 PM

It's a cottage industry

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by Anonymousreply 142June 21, 2022 8:01 PM
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by Anonymousreply 143June 21, 2022 8:02 PM

What the wives don't know won't hurt 'em.

by Anonymousreply 144June 21, 2022 8:12 PM

Video versoin

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by Anonymousreply 145June 21, 2022 8:14 PM

Another instructional video

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by Anonymousreply 146June 21, 2022 8:17 PM

r115 you might be surprised by the amount of gay guys that have had sex with women as well. No, they're not likely to pop on tinder bercause the market is different. Most of us understand there are different societal expectations that are sorted by biological sex and yes, even in progressive circles.. in how males and females approach sex. females are just as likely to be policed by other women in this regard... regardless of scene.

We recognize and even accept bi-curiousity among str8 women, often it's performative in young adulthood, while among mature women, it's getting tired of the scene. Frankly, there's more long standing established places for str8 women, women solely attracted to males, to become lesbians. albeit, they do tend to be the nutty political lesbian types and end up policing and pooh-poohing actual lesbians' sexualities. (also, hence why the majority of nonbinary are females.)

we could even break this into str8 men that will use tranny prostitutes -- the vast majority aren't interested in chicks with dicks, though there are a few that fetishize that.. the popularity of that to str8 men is because they can get someone with the aesthetics of someone 7 or above while most biological prostitutes in any given area is a rough six (and that's being generous) or below. In that case, it's because they want someone that looks female.. so, they're willing to overlook the other aspects.

If they're using apps, then it's a bit like the sex differences in shopping, most blokes will enter a store knowing exactly what they're looking for and exit., females have a tendency to browse and shop around.

So, the circumstances that would lead a str8 guy to use a gay app is that he's in a situation, where he's just looking to get off. While str8 apps, most women are looking for a relationship, even if they're open to sex or they're looking to be paid for it. - it's likely he had one from a guy and that guy is no longer available - in fact, they don't tend to have physical preferences on these sites, if anything they have social requirements which are largely little more than discretion and a semblance of safety. They're most often just looking for a blowjob. They're not using it meet guys, they're using it to get a blowjob with someone that is close by, discrete and available at any hour they have free. the blow 'n' go that so many gay/bi guys hate.

the homosocial types tend to be the sort that just want to masturbate, tho, often the homosocial types are the ones looking specifically for bi guys, because one of their other frequent areas is non (male) contact group sex. They get more hits on m4m sites than in w4m sites. Also, on w4m/m4w sites, they fear exposure to friends or family than being on gay sites.

Most of them would be better off with sex toys - but even most gay guys aren't into sex toys, outside of anal prep (butt plugs) or cockrings. the stats are much lower than most people think. masturbation toys while enjoyable are still more novelty to most guys. And most guys in a relationship with a woman don't feel their partner would be comfortable with them having sex toys and porn at home... more so, if they have children.

The type of guys I've observed the most are in the midlife crisis territory... they may be bicurious or prefer that gay chicken area of homosocial bonding but often times, it's just busting a nut with the least amount of hassle.

It's prison ex.

They are not sexually attracted to men but the greater availability and the ease of access leaves it as a viable option.

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by Anonymousreply 147June 21, 2022 8:25 PM

I feel like people here are quibbling on definitions. They don't believe in sexual attractions, so they make it about the sexual act. like the jokes of many a comic "But suck one dick...." -- I'm keen to believe the disbelief of all this is more the fraus that believe if a str8 guy is checking out dicks at the urinals or in the locker rooms then he's a faggot too because a real man would only have eyes for the only the woman he was with than gay men, though I know there's some deranged lads here that need to believe that guy they had sex with and left them for a woman is just a self hating fag.

And it pairs well with the idea of how masculine gay guys are constantly treated as self hating, too... with this expectation that gay men are just inferior women.

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by Anonymousreply 148June 21, 2022 8:25 PM

Seducing a straight guy is a lot easier than you think. I should know because I’ve hooked up with dozens of them over the past 10-years.

Some of those experiences were fulfilling. Others totally sucked. But all of them happened because I made the conscious choice of taking control.

You see if you want to get with a straight guy, it’s not going to happen through magic. You’re going to have to put some work into it. But if you play your cards right, you should be able to have your way with relative ease.

I’m telling you this because the research suggests that straight guys go gay a lot more than you think. But here’s the thing. They don’t necessarily think what they are doing is “gay” when they experiment.

Keep this in mind as you go about your business.

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by Anonymousreply 149June 21, 2022 8:35 PM

I was just looking for that "wasn't your man last night" song/video the other day to add to this thread, R148, but didn't know the spelling of that crazy name. Great minds.

by Anonymousreply 150June 21, 2022 8:37 PM

Here’s a quick story to set it up for you. Recently, I hooked up with a 25-year old AT&T tech named Cody*. He was dispatched to my condo for Internet repairs.

The guy is 6’0 with jet black hair and brownish eyes. He’s got a medium, muscular build that’s not overdone. He also has a super masculine presence. While the body types are different, his face and manhood are similar to reality TV personality and body builder, Leo Stronda (see this totally not safe for work link to get an idea).

And one more thing about Cody – he’s married with kids.

But those last two facts didn’t stop me from draining him out like a helpless ragdoll – multiple times. In fact, he’s heading over to my place this weekend.

If you are interested in how to seduce straight men like Cody, this article is for you. I’m going to teach you how to make it happen in ways that might surprise you.

In this article, you’ll learn:

• How to take charge with confidence

• The best ways to get his guard down

•  Why you shouldn't hide that you are gay

•  Ways to build camaraderie

• How to make the first move

•  How not to make the experience “gay”

•  Getting him to come back for more

•  Taking it slow

• How to handle kissing

• Avoiding the love trap

by Anonymousreply 151June 21, 2022 8:38 PM

About Me

Before continuing, I figured you might want to know a little about me. It’s only fair, right? OK, here it goes. I’m 35 years old and live in Miami. While I’m certainly not a model, I do OK in the looks department.

Like you, I’m into hot guys. And in order to attract the type of men that I like, I work out a lot at my gym. I go out of my way to give off a laid back “beach boy” vibe, even though I’m pretty neurotic.

Finally, I have a thing for manly men. And the biggest turn on in the world (at least to me) is siphoning out a straight guy’s juice and swallowing it whole. I know that may sound sick but I’m trying to keep it real.

Here’s why I like it.

When you drain him out, he’s inside of you for the entire day. In other words, his “straightness” is careening through your system.

Finally, I consider myself a top. It doesn’t turn me on at all to try and make some hetero guy bottom. In fact, it’s a real turn off.

In my experience, most breeders won’t go for that. But they are super curious. And that curiosity is what makes them vulnerable to guys like me – and hopefully, you.

OK, here are the tips!

by Anonymousreply 152June 21, 2022 8:39 PM

R138, here's an interesting article that researches the history of the 10% figure.

Yes it's imperfect but other researchers came up with a similar figure

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by Anonymousreply 153June 21, 2022 9:39 PM

I tend to like straight guys because I can get much hotter guys to have sex with. Attractive gay guys tend to know their exact value in the open market and act accordingly - stuck up. A str8 guy has never really considered his looks when it comes to the appreciation of men. If you target one and take your time, it isn't too hard to eventually get some dick. Go out drinking, get them horned up talking about sex. One of those nights you are bound to have something happen. And as the person said above, let them know very clearly you are gay, and let them know you're a horny gay, but make no pass at them. You're just buddies. Any guy will wonder why you're not hitting on them - what do you mean, I'm not your type? Even though they never thought of it before, they will wonder if they would have what it takes looks wise to be a success in the gay world. And then one night when you both strike out finding someone, you can do each do the other a favor. And when it finally does go down, make sure they know they are the str8 one and you are the gay one. You are gay, but what they are doing is not gay.

Oh, and BTW, I have a straight married buddy who loves sending me pics of his delicious cock. He gets off being told what to send. If someone gives me a good idea, I'll suggest it just to show you guys. He only does close up cock stuff, so nothing too crazy or with two many props.

by Anonymousreply 154June 21, 2022 9:57 PM

A friend is obsessed with straight cock. He will work on a guy for weeks and usually be successful. He’s likes out of town conferences because he score with a lot of straight guys when they’re away from their wives.

I have no interest in straight guys (although I have had sex with some), so the constant yearning for it makes no sense for me

by Anonymousreply 155June 22, 2022 12:48 AM

It's amazing how many delusional men there are on DL. To actually pretend that men who have sex with or engage in sexual acts with other men are heterosexual is mind boggling.

by Anonymousreply 156June 22, 2022 3:28 AM

R143 and r149 were loaded with spam, at least for me

by Anonymousreply 157June 22, 2022 3:30 AM

R155 you don't yearn for it because you know those men are bisexual and the thrill wouldn't be there. Your friend knows these men are bisexual (or gay) but he pretends they are straight because it feeds his ego.

by Anonymousreply 158June 22, 2022 3:33 AM

There's nothing delusion about this to anyone who interacts with people in the real world. Humans aren't as easily categorised as people might want. We're all so influenced by the ideas of the day, the culture we have grown up in, etc. But it's the same old argument going round again and again on here, so who can be bothered?

The tips in that article above are pretty good, by the way. Definitely you should be open that you are gay, and at the same time you need to act like you're his buddy, not that you're lusting after him. Get him talking about sex, I found faux-naive questions like: "do girl's pussies really smell like fish?", "what does a pussy feel like?" etc actually work wonders. And straight guys are often fascinated by gay sex, so answer whatever they ask, but in an offhand way. I found giving a straight guy advice on things he should get his girlfriend to do to him to ended up very happily for me when I got to demonstrate exactly what I meant on him.

It's just important you know how to interact with straight guys, where to push and where to hold back. You can't be direct, you have to go around the houses a bit and you have to let him be in charge while at the same time having confidence yourself.

One example of what I mean by not being direct. One guy I was really into, well I didn't flirt with him and tell him how good his body looked etc. Instead, I said to him, pretending to look for advice: "I've been going to the gym for awhile and I'm really not happy with how it's going so far. I need to get a hold of a really good workout for better results. Hey, what's YOUR workout?"

Subtle, it indicated to him (I saw it in his eyes) that I thought he had a good body, but was asked in a way that wouldn't put him off. It broke a bit of a barrier between us right then.

I know people will scream: "They're NOT straight!" but a guy who happily lives a straight life, chases pussy and is uninterested in men, except for the occasional blowjob when they really need to get off, has every right to define himself as straight I think.

by Anonymousreply 159June 22, 2022 7:41 AM

I agree with you R159 100%.

by Anonymousreply 160June 22, 2022 7:56 AM

You're a complete homophobe R159. He isn't straight. Because he has sex with both women and men. The literal definition of bisexuality. You have such an insane ego you need to think that a man is straight except when it comes to you and a few other super "masculine" guys.

Just like a person with a dick and balls isn't a woman, no matter what they identify as. I know we are supposed to live in times where reality is what you imagine it to be, but intelligent people see through that.

by Anonymousreply 161June 22, 2022 7:57 AM

R161 SEX with the same gender is not the literal definition of Bisexuality. I wish people would at least get that part right. Bisexuality is the sexual ATTRACTION to each gender.

[quote]Those who identify as bisexual feel a sexual and/or romantic ATTRACTION to people of a different gender as well as their own.

As you know, men can have sex with a watermelon. There is no need for attraction for a man to get hard and get off. Again a guy can stick is dick through a hole and the wall and have someone get him off.

by Anonymousreply 162June 22, 2022 8:08 AM

.Those of us who have had sex with straight guys know the truth of things as we have the lived experience unlike the textbook brigade who think they know better-from their reading.

Yesterday, as I was performing a rim job on my straight fella regular hookup, his wife rang to ask him about their upcoming holiday booking.

I let them sort it out while I had a pee.

We got back to business & some time later and I got a face spray of cum.

I left and said have a good holiday with the mrs.

It's an easy well managed exchanage.

by Anonymousreply 163June 22, 2022 8:26 AM

“Normal men” OP? You mean like Miss Samantha Heughan? She’s just a normal man - apparently.

by Anonymousreply 164June 22, 2022 9:43 AM

KevininMiami above sounds like an unhinged house-bound frau writing truly appalling m/m fiction.

by Anonymousreply 165June 22, 2022 9:50 AM

r165 maybe... but truthfully I wanted to see how far they'd take the bit.

by Anonymousreply 166June 22, 2022 12:29 PM

"But not gay men, just normal men."

Somehow I missed this in the OP. You are trash, darling. Trash.

by Anonymousreply 167June 22, 2022 1:02 PM

This whole thread is stupid. A man will stick his dick through a whole not caring who is sucking it on the other end, and knowing it is probably a guy. Most of them are frustrated, married men, or curious college/high school guys etc. There was a sting operation at a local glory hole and they busted 10 guys and put their pictures in the paper, all of em married.

by Anonymousreply 168June 22, 2022 1:20 PM

I know a bi man who says the easiest place to find other bi men is in straight bars, actually, particularly if you're at an out-of-town meeting.

When it's getting late, and the bar has mainly cleared out, the bi men find each other

by Anonymousreply 169June 22, 2022 1:23 PM

Gay men routinely sleep with women, according to the logic of this thread.

by Anonymousreply 170June 23, 2022 7:46 AM

R170, just get out and meet people and you'll see the truth of what guys above are telling you.

by Anonymousreply 171June 23, 2022 7:52 AM

R171 the ignorant are looking for an echo chamber, they will never go out.

by Anonymousreply 172June 23, 2022 2:45 PM

The delusional will never admit these men are bi, it would ruin the fantasy R172

by Anonymousreply 173June 23, 2022 10:11 PM

R170 exactly. Since straight men will have sex with men, the logical conclusion is that gay men will sleep with women.

by Anonymousreply 174June 23, 2022 10:13 PM

Many gay men have and have even had children! Shocking!

by Anonymousreply 175June 23, 2022 10:15 PM

Adam Lambert discusses his wonderful sex with a woman yet still to my knowledge identifies as gay. Things that make you go HMM.

by Anonymousreply 176June 23, 2022 10:19 PM

The idea of Adam Lambert having sex with anyone is not pleasant.

by Anonymousreply 177June 23, 2022 11:46 PM

I believe it -- and have experienced it with them myself, too. I think it's unfair to criticize a straight guy who wants to sometimes fool around with other guys by saying he isn't straight. That would be as offensive as someone telling me I'm not the gay man I know that I am. To straight guys who sometimes play with other guys, it's not being closet cases, it's that the sex is a purely athletic-type, physically pleasurable experience.

by Anonymousreply 178June 24, 2022 12:11 AM

That's what the term Bi is for, they may only be slightly or occasionally bi, but they're bisexuals.

by Anonymousreply 179June 24, 2022 12:14 AM

I temped with a straight guy in New York in the 90s--who was gorgeous BTW--who said any gay man looking to have sex with a straight man should just show up at a straight bar at 4:00 am (closing time) and hit on the guys who hadn't managed to hook up with a woman. He said not many of them would say no at that time of night. There were a couple of us gays in the room when he said this and we piped up, "What bars do YOU go to, Fernando?"

by Anonymousreply 180June 24, 2022 12:33 AM

I shop at Bi-Mart!

by Anonymousreply 181June 24, 2022 1:05 AM

R178 how is it criticizing someone to say they aren't straight?? If you have sex with women occasionally then you aren't gay, you're bisexual. If you're a man who occasionally has sex with men then you're bisexual, not straight, hate to break it to you sweetie.

The self loathing homophobia of some queens is something else.

by Anonymousreply 182June 24, 2022 1:39 AM

Sexuality is on a scale. That said, Op is a chippy, slut.

by Anonymousreply 183June 24, 2022 1:58 AM

r173 r179 The idea that sexuality is purely about intercourse is the delusion.

Under your logic, then homosexuality is exceedingly rare given the vast number of homosexuals that have had sexual experiences, including survival sex (i.e. prostitution), kids playing doctor and perhaps even victims of sexual assault, with the opposite sex. . . and that heterosexuality is also exceedingly rare that even down to every guy that ever took a peek at another man's cock or ass and sprung wood, or the great many str8 guys that have male preference types when it comes to the kind of porn they watch -- which is a prime area to discuss the sheer amount of lesbians into gay, biologically male, porn. Except these conversations are rarely as intense as they are when it involves women dabbling in lesbianism or gender bending. . . or the general questioning of female sexuality, there aren't as many hard rules because people view women as sexually fluid and on a spectrum. They also like to believe that heterosexual men that are gay friendly even must be bi because the perception is so heavy that they'll be so viscerally disgusted by homosexual men they wouldn't even want to socialize with them. Hence we also have those people in the thread that vehemently deny any woman of ever being homophobic all on her own and separate to the patriarchy.

It's also like that delusional segment of the anti-trans crowd that when there's a trans that is passing and a man is attracted to them that they are bisexual.

And the same with drag kings/queens or even just the occasional problems effeminate men or butch women have with reading as the opposite sex -- to which even if they're viewed by their partners as being their biologial sex..,. you'll have the same triggered people claiming it's bisexual to ever be interested in them.

Or the gay paranoia crowd that if a str8 guy enjoys butt play from a woman that's a clear sign he's gay -- that one is a weird one.., given there's many women that enjoy that being the giver claiming it less as sexual than empowering or enjoying the taboo of pushing him over the edge using his forbidden place but completely wig out if he enjoys or worse yet begins requesting it or even just engages in anal masturbation. But it also enters into that area of chivalry and protecting those frail little flowers as the biggest trigger for that lot is when it comes to females rimming males. Likewise, we also get the antiquated throwbacks to the consideration of female sexuality as being tragically abused and manipulated if they enjoy sticking their tongue up a man's ass and eating out his raw hole. That also extends to females being the penetrative partner of anal because they don't understand how a woman could even enjoy it, males at least have a greater biological excuse.. but unsurprisingly, this is also the lot, not unlike political lesbians, that lack belief in female sexuality, sexual interests and attractions period. So, not that shocking.

by Anonymousreply 184June 24, 2022 2:01 AM

R184 um no. It's been clarified multiple times we aren't taking about young people still exploring their sexuality. But yes, if you get a boner looking at a man then you are at least bisexual if not homosexual.

The only reason you and so many others are denying that a man engaging in sexual acts with another man is gay or bisexual is because you are homophobic. Or you don't want the fantasy of fucking a "straight" guy to be broken. Just like a trans woman gets irritated when you point out that a dick and balls makes a person a man, not a woman. People refuse to play into your mental illness that up is down and black is white.

by Anonymousreply 185June 24, 2022 2:26 AM

r185 You're the one denying biology and the basics of psychology here to fit your delusional and transparently sociopolitical views... older men continue to get erections at abstract things as well. Frankly, watching pistons moving up and down on machinery is enough to turn some guys on. It doesn't mean they want to fuck the machine. . . though there are a few guys that tried.

And in watching str8 porn, most guys care about that guy that's in them... most are turned off by the Ron Jeremy types. The vast majority want porn that includes men and they want those men to be goodlooking, in shape and hung.

In your logic, then my reality relays the point that there are very few 'true' heterosexual men or there's a much larger number of "bi" men than anyone else.. I can't take a piss in public restroom without having guys curious about my dick. I couldn't count the number of times that quickly move from the second glance after catching it in their peripheral to outright staring. Or having the sideshow party tricks of being able to suck myself off or given the right conditions of fucking myself. We could argue that's more novelty and being a freakshow attraction but a lot of dudes have penis envy and fantasize about dicks or what they would do if they had a bigger one. Frankly, I really don't know of any guy that is 100% satisfied with his own penis. The grass is always greener... cucks are a good example of that insecurity.

then we also get into ejaculation.. like audience applause and laughter tells people how to respond to what their watching, the moneyshot is what gets most str8 guys off. Their love of cock is why they're into facials and titty fucking. The latter because they're more interested in seeing the dick in action that's hidden from view with penetration... the former because they want to see the end result when it explodes. Their greatest fantasy is to be able to suck their own dick, frankly, most desire to eat their own cum when they're horny but the interest leaves immediately when they ejaculate.

Frankly, if you ever want to fuck a "str8" guy.. it's that moment when all inhibitions fade right before they cum and they're willing to do anything. . . and that, of course, is intensified when chems are in the mix.

Gay dudes are the ones that don't want to see that cum go to waste. . . whether it's swallowing or breeding... sure, they fetishize dicks too but it goes far deeper like getting down on your knees and accepting the firm but delicate body of christ in your mouth, eating of his flesh and devouring his essence. Gay men are filled with christ's love at the temple of man... and like jesus, they tend to be a little happier if there's more than one apostle in the room. . . depending on the night, they can take or leave, Ms. Mary M. .. if she is involved, it's probably just limited to fluffing up the twelve apostles.

by Anonymousreply 186June 24, 2022 3:12 AM

Per usual, DLers are completely delusional.

I have been actively seeking out sex with men for the past 15 years, and the percentage of men who actively seek out regular sex with other men is minuscule. No more than 5% of the male population, and most of these men are gay bottoms.

Most men are straight and they are not interested in men in any sexual capacity. Period. Like are you guys seriously that deluded?

Are gay bottoms like the guy bragging about blowing his “straight” conquest, also suggesting that gay bottoms will eat a pussy because they’re horny and no cock is around? It works both ways, right?

You guys who believe most or even a majority of men have hooked up with or actively seek out men for sex are ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 187June 24, 2022 5:29 AM

Hooked up again with my straight buddy this morning for a 09.00 session.

Left at 10.30am.

Will see him again a couple of times next week.

School holidays after that so a little sojourn for a week or two.

by Anonymousreply 188June 24, 2022 5:37 AM

R187, it's not delusional. Believe me. Maybe you're just not doing it right.

by Anonymousreply 189June 24, 2022 7:30 AM

[quote]Many gay men have and have even had children! Shocking!

True. Most gay boys had relationships and affair with women because they tried to be "normal", as OP said it. It is not easy to accept that you are an outcast and hetrosexualy is the norm so they tried to adapt. Many more gay men, particularly in conservative places married a woman and live in the closet.

But the posters here claim something else, that heterosexual men have sex with men in big numbers, not because they are same sex attracted, but because it is easier to find a man for sex with no strings attached. All that matters is to get off, no matter if you are eve attracted to the person.

So, following that logic a gay man, particularly in places where it is hard to find a male partner, which is almost all places except big cities in western countries, will gladly grab the opportunity to have sex with a woman, cause it is the same, hole is a hole. It is not that random that women like gay men and hit on them. Particularly os called fag hags, it is not rare that they have feelings for their gay (in university days I had two friends a gay guy and our female friend and she was crazy about him and he knew it, but never grabbed the opportunity, even though he was a top, so the logic hole is a hole failed with him) so according to the posters here, there is massive sexual exchange going between gay men and women.

by Anonymousreply 190June 24, 2022 7:35 AM

Are the straight guys who are practicing homosex imune to monkeypox and STDs?

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