A shocking number of men have sex with men

Niiiiiiiice.

Hats off, darling!

Well played, I must say!

And how many men is that? Did you see wedding rings? Did you think maybe they were lying to get laid easier?

Ummm, they're called closet cases, OP.

OP do you know for certain they were all married or is that what they told you?

" But not gay men, just normal men. "

So, you think gay men aren't normal? You seem moronic and dfa.

I have a friend who I sometimes work in entertainment on film crews. He is attractive and openly gay. I am not openly gay. The number of "straight" guys he gets to cross the line is shocking. It's not that he has sex with most of them but what he gets them to confess and do, even if it's just showing him their dick is surprising. I don't know if it's because of the industry we are in but a shocking number of guys will do some gay shit.

R6 why is it shocking?

Guys like having their dicks played with. Who would have thought?

[quote]I am convinced only about 10% of the population is straight. 80% are flexible In the past 14 years almost every man I have been with has a wife.

What are we, chopped liver?

Men are horny, and most men play with other men, it's been that way throughout history, most would just rather not talk about it...

Majority of straight men (80% or more) have done stuff with another guy at some point in their life and many continue to do stuff. Women are very homophobic and expect men to be pure heterosexual.

I second that OP, I fuck “straight” married men all the time. These women don’t even know how freaky their hubbies are

Funny, OP, because of my experiences, I am convinced that all mens like to splash sperm on face of lady.

I asked my ex-wife many times if I could cum on her face. She said no way (I cum like Peter North). I put an ad on the M4M Craiglist section and got a lot of replies. Met up with someone who didn't mind me not sending a pic since I was married. He gave me a great handjob and I shot all over his face and his hair. He emailed me after saying how hot it was and that he wanted my nut again. We met up several more times after that.

[quote]In the past 14 years almost every man I have been with has a wife.

Do you meet them at Liza concerts?

The funny thing about labels is that people can call themselves whatever they want. Gay men are no different. They can play all kinds of mental gymnastics and give themselves whatever label they can deal with psychologically.

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Every once in a while I'll place a sex ad on Doublelist and the only ones who respond will be middle-aged married men. Last time a guy kept emailing, "Will you be the first dick in my ass?".

I think I just do it for laffs, because it's been years since I hooked up that way.

It's sad that these guys will pass through life never having the courage to become an open, honest gay/bi man.

These types are poison. When blood drive time came around, all the closet cases in my company proudly went off to donate blood, which at the time I was not allowed to do. And I knew for a fact ALL of them were getting more male on male dick than me. They treated their wives like maids.

[quote]I asked my ex-wife many times if I could cum on her face. She said no way (I cum like Peter North)

You guys are a regular Robert and Elizabeth Barrett Browning,

I think these abortion bans come from closeted cunts. Women don't fuck their man because she don't want an abortion so he'll go to the park and get a suck.

Traditionally, fish being so disgusting, they are used only for reproductia purposes.

Men are for pleasure.

Back in the early 80's I took my straight hairdresser friend, who was about my father's age, with me on a day trip to visit my father and stepmother. My father kept staring at my friend, like he was smittened. I got the feeling he thought my friend was very cute because all he could do was sit in a chair smiling and looking aroused . It occurred to me that dear old dad might have had experienced gay sex in his life.

[quote] Because of my personal experience I am convinced only about 10% of the population is straight.

The personal experience of an anonymous poster is all the proof anyone needs!

It's not gay if it's no homo.

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[quote]Guys like having their dicks played with. Who would have thought?

But straight guys like it played by women. I have feeling, call it a hunch, that these men that OP is hooking up with are not straight.

Based on your personal experience OP? So you've slept with enough guys to recognise at least 10% of the pop is gay. You're doing God's work! ;)

[quote] I have feeling,

No, you don't. You just want bash.

R22, old Arabian saying: girls are for babies, boys are for fun.

Bisexuals OP. Just watch them scuttle into the safety of a heterosexual relationship when family demands.

"Straight"...as I always put it. Always use quotations. ;)

"I am convinced only about 10% of the population is straight" This is the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site. And that is saying something.,

"Majority of straight men (80% or more) have done stuff with another guy at some point in their life and many continue to do stuff. Women are very homophobic and expect men to be pure heterosexual."

I take that back. Now this is the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site.

r34, how DARE you question the FACTS of OP's personal experience! They hold true for all mankind.

[quote]ALL of them were getting more male on male dick than me.

What other kind of dick could a man get?

[quote] But not gay men, just normal men.

Is that you, Ronald Reagan?

[quote]Women don't fuck their man because she don't want an abortion so he'll go to the park and get a suck.

Hehe, you must be one of these who still believe in Santa Claus. These are closet cases that come to gete asuck at park. And majority of women in 21st century don't use abortion as contraception, so even in the countries where abortion is banned, the straight couples still have a lot of recreational sex and straight men don't cruise parks and bathouses looking for homosex.

I would suggest you to use annalogy. In the times of words Aids crises, did gay men start chasing women because straight sexual relations were not as risky?

Male homosexual behaviour was always widespread and open in most classical cultures before the rise of abrahamic religion. It's the natural state of play when taboos aren't in place.

R39 I do wonder how much would same sex among males be more spread if there wasn't this strong taboo in societies that follow abrahamic religions. Though lot of people, particularly in Catholic church break this taboo to the core. In Muslim countries even more. But, I think many man have strong taboo about it.

On the other hand it may not all be the product of taboo. It is possible that many men may really not be into men, just as many of us are not into women.

I've been fucking a straight married man with 3 kids for 20 years.

He's happily married and the arrangement works well for both of us.

R41 He is not straight hun.

We live in a world where men turn to soft fruit for pleasure. When taboos against gay sex fade, straight men will screw men without a second thought. Don't take it too much to heart, a hole is just a hole.

r43 and str8 men are as insecure as str8 women... they trust more when a gay/bi guy is *sexually* into them than a woman especially when they're feeling insecure. There's, also, a much wider range of niches for gay men than there are for str8 guys to be attractive regardless of social or physical attributes.

for heterosexuals in general, though, they're naturally inclined to be homosocial... and particularly in youth, it blurs the line into the homoerotic if not oturight venturing on homosexual acts.

But overall, it certainly doesn't hurt that there's a lot more gay/bi men willing to give a blowjob without reciprocation, payment, expectations or strings. They can bust a nut and just leave. Many a ho will setup a gloryhole and offer them str8 porn to view, so they can further disconnect from the reality that it's a guy sucking their dick.

^ homosocial; I find there's a fair amount of str8 guys that enjoy the more homoerotic homosocial activites, where they might not want sex per se but want that kind of frat boy, lad culture experience that's so looked down upon now... and gradually disappears as people get older... especially in those societies that don't have continued cultures of this aspect well into old age.

"a hole is a hole"

it's just easier hooking up with a guy

[quote]We live in a world where men turn to soft fruit for pleasure. When taboos against gay sex fade, straight men will screw men without a second thought. Don't take it too much to heart, a hole is just a hole.

So, if some frau hits you, you would gladly give in, cause hole is a hole?

What a load of crap.

Well for a time in the 1960s and 70s 'gay' was more a political project. Over the world a lot of man-on-man sex happens without either person identifying as gay.

How large is your surgery sample OP?

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Thanks for sharing your personal experience, OP, and making a general statement out of it.

Ten percent gay is still accepted by the rest of us, but believe your false statistics if it makes you feel better about being gay.

[quote]They think making "straight" men fuck any hole is progress, but that means homosexuality is a choice as well and that all of us gay men would fuck female holes, which is obviously bullshit and homophobic!

Completely agree with you. I don't know if all these men that say any hole is the same and that straight men would engage in homosex cause it is easier to hook up with guys are bisexual or illogical. Cause on the contrary you can just as well say that there is much bigger choice of women than gay men and that in more conservative places and smaller towns it is so much easier to find a woman than a gay man. Following their logic, gay men would be hitting on women all the time, cause hole is a hole.

I believe, as there are many of us who are into men only, so there are men into women exclusively, who are just not attracted to men. Not everyone is fluid as it is modern to believe these days.

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No woman can service a guy like a gay guy and that's why my long term straight hook up has continued for many a year while he does the wife and kids stuff at other times.

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No. 80% of straight men haven't done something with a guy. You forget most grew up in conservative middle America where they attended church on Sundays, lost their virginity at prom, fooled around once or twice in college then married their high school sweetheart (the one they took to prom) raising their family in a similar manner while attending church every Sunday where the man is a deacon or usher. Straight conservative life is boring.

However in liberal environments and big cities like NYC, LA, SF and Miami, I believe OP's estimate is more accurate and most guys will at have at least considered doing something with a guy.

r55

[quote] there is much bigger choice of women than gay men and that in more conservative places and smaller towns

no because the values system differs even more so than the city, in fact, you'll find even more str8 guys trolling for a discrete gay blowjob. . . because even casually hanging out with females leads to too much speculation and rumours of cheating or the more frequent result of ending up with pregnancies with a lack of public resources for prevention.

As with the city, we can also address the realities of drug use as well... which, frankly, one would find that many ex-gay/bi men that stayed ex-gay/bi were only able to have sex with men while under the influence.

We could also get into how people will claim if a gay man ever got enough of a hardon with a female to have sex or children that proves he isn't gay while fundamentally ignoring what people are actually attracted to... just as getting an erection or even ejaculating while you're being sexually assaulted doesn't mean you enjoy it.

just as the numerous gay men that settled down with women during the aids/hiv crisis era didn't turn str8 overnight. Incidentally, I'm thinking more of the stories of hiv positive men that ended up with hiv positive women. . . albeit, many of those were more marriage fraud for insurance and the need for companionship.

of course, there is an idea of tribal sexuality that I do think plays out to much of this.. in which homosexuality is more permissable in youth and old age because of the benefit it provides to the tribe. No doubt individuals attracts are more hardwired but it's relative to access and availability.

To which for gay men and lesbians our dating pools are relatively small, so hookups (or uhauls) are more common than waiting for the one.

Many lesbians will tell you that str8 girls play into being les for a day.. and given the stereotype of them b eing more likely to invest in relationships than casual hookups, hence, the greater hostility towards bi women among lesbians than bi men among gay men. There's more value in a gold star lesbian than there is in a gold star gay man.

^while the reverse is true when it comes to breeders, it's not so much that a gold star str8 woman has no value nor that a gold star str8 man is valued but rather I think this becomes more to the idea of what represents the fantasy fable of a "good" man as valued by women (and their peers) that despite not trusting a single bloke.. have an impossible ideal of good represents. Hence, str8 guys will look elsewhere.. toss in that many women don't like their man watching porn and some feel inadequate if he masturbates even without it.

This become more to trying to deny the differences in biology. . . of course, these biological differences is not a license to break social and moral taboos. And there are men that will abstain, some yes, will hold out for pussy or even stay faithful.

But all this comes down to saying men don't masturbate.

Most of the time, when a str8 guy hooks up with a dude. It's an extension of masturbation... that's often what represents his earliest same sex experiences.

and likewise, many str8 women have experiences of making out with other girls or having crushes that went a little too far.

It's more just innocent sexual play in youth. In college years, it's more exploring the what ifs and a little taboo breaking.

In adulthood, it's primarily down to availability and access. There a lot of str8 men that rationalize it as it's ok to engage in sexual play with a guy because they're not attracted to them. They're not giving away their heart and there's no risk of it. . . so, they don't view it as cheating on their spouses.

of course, even in this age, if he's found out.,. that's still far more taboo to more women than if he had cheated with another woman. . . its viewed with disdain on the level of the worst perversions.

[quote]However in liberal environments and big cities like NYC, LA, SF and Miami, I believe OP's estimate is more accurate and most guys will at have at least considered doing something with a guy.

They might have experimented with boys as kids, just like gay guys did with girls (of course gay boys do it much more cause heterosexuality is the norm), but it means nothing really, cause kids want to try anything, but that doesn't mean that these people are bisexual and will continue to have homosexual encounters.

Although I believe that attraction to males is stronger and some guys exposed to homosex as kids might get an acquired taste, but it doesn't mean that straight men feel the same.

on a similar note, we could also look at chubby chasers. . . while there's some with an actual fetish, we're not as inclined to go down the same line of questioning on str8 men's sexualities and inclinations.

the relative point is the amount of str8 guys that actively seek out BBW because when they're advertising, they tend to be more open to one night stands... especially in the craigslist era.

Who is BBW?

[quote]" Straight"...as I always put it. Always use quotations.

That's the DL motto. Quotation mark abuse on this site is unparalleled.

[quote] No. 80% of straight men haven't done something with a guy. You forget most grew up in conservative middle America where they attended church on Sundays, lost their virginity at prom, fooled around once or twice in college then married their high school sweetheart (the one they took to prom) raising their family in a similar manner while attending church every Sunday where the man is a deacon or usher.

And thinking about dick every spare chance. And trolling apps/bookstores/saunas constantly because the high school sweetheart has gained 40lbs/won't put out anymore since she had the kids/doesn't meet their sexual needs/bored because they've only had sex with their high school sweetheart/did the marriage thing to appease family/society. You forgot that part. Craigslist should've had a Married Men for Men section.

^The same goes to other women outside of the norms of their respective peer groups. . . which again, is merely availability and access. So, male standards do drop significantly. . .

For sexual encounters, str8 females have the most choice... but this, of course, is still a hierarchy within their demographic. . . and the vast majority in hookup spots aren't looking for sex, usually because they've already been flooded with hundreds of unsolicited dick shots.

So, those that do and are a 10 are likely booked for the next decade. 7 thru 9 also can afford to be picky even in areas with slim pickings. . . and these women are more likely to commit to a one night stand at the local pub than with a dating site.

so, that brings us to those more likely to avoid the physical meat market because they really can't compete except in specialty arenas.. unsurprisingly, these are also the types more likely to try being a kissing jessica stein type lesbian for a while. . . and thru hookups, they'll possibly experience guys that would look at them with disdain, if not outright disgust, in the pubs.

Otherwise, there are many a lass that enjoys casual encounters and largely empowered by it, too... it's not as if we can place any of these into neat little boxes for whatever sense of our morality.

But in this case, we don't dissect as much whether this lad especially fetishizes a morbidly obese woman. No, we recognize that in most situations, he's just looking to bust a nut. So, she can have antlers growing out of her head, and one leg. Or same on the contrast with a 10 that offers him her time but she does have a fetish and one he's repulsed by but it might only take up 5% of the encounter.

the fraus in this thread are the types that would have cut you for suggesting Rock Hudson might be gay back in the day. . . or some other celeb dreamhunk they could never imagine would ever been a bastard when he's just not like one of those guys.

like transtrenders, so many of these women have delusional fantasies about males because of all their peer based fanfiction and roleplaying.

God the delusion on this site. If the wife, the high school sweetheart has gained 40lbs/won't put out anymore since she had the kids/doesn't meet their sexual needs/bored because they've only had sex with their high school sweetheart, the straight guy will not start thinking about dick, but pussy and will try to find him some woman on the side.

[quote]For sexual encounters, str8 females have the most choice.

Not so sure. Straight guys have much higher standards for women than straight women have for straight men. Me would mostly expect woman to be younger, more in shape, better looking than him.

[quote]OP: But not gay men, just normal men.

Oh, fucking dear.

There is not a YAWN big enough for this thread.

This thread is filled with dumb shit.

No, most men are not interested in dicks other than their own. You choose to sleep with the closeted married dudes, good for you, but that doesn't make most men secretly gay.

No, straight men are NOT interested in dudes. They want tits and pussy. When they cheat, it's with a chick.

No, straight guys do not have higher standards. It's the opposite. Straight women are able to be more selective and often are.

Men are not more sexually fluid than women.

Let's see, what other crazy shit is in this thread.

Oh, the fact that a guy let himself get blown or jacked off next to another guy in high school does not necessarily mean he's actually into dudes. Now, if he fucked a guy, got fucked, or sucked a dick, that's more telling.

R69, it's tiresome. And in many cases requires wining and dining and emotions. Why go through all that when you go online and in 20 minutes find a more than eager guy already on his knees and doesn't even want to know your name?

Miss r39 is correct. Fish are both disgusting and not even interested in sex.

Therefore man on man actia is the natural state.

The idea of a "Gay Man" ONLY dates from the last year of the 19th century. Before that there was no definition of it, it was just something that people did. Men have been having sex with men for millennia. There was idea of a straight man vs. gay vs. bi. The concept didn't exist. It was just people having sex with people.

Straight men are starting to Fetishize Gay Sex

But since we've been living in this post label world for about 130 years now, I have seen a growing number of str8 men Fetishizing gay sex. It has a lot to do with online porn. Guys can watch how men have sex with each other, if they are curious, in the comfort of their own room. They see guys like themselves having sex with each other men, normalizing it. But the taboo aspect of it all for them turns the desire for gay sex into a fetish. I have talked to so many str8 guys who jack off to the idea of sucking a big cock, or getting stretched open, used, fucked. They are not attracted to men. The are just turned on by what a man can do to them, subject them to, make them do. They usually want to be forced, or blindfolded, or drunk or high or in some ways just incapacitated so what ver is happening is happening TO them and is not a conscious decision on their part. They want several men to take them because one on one is too intimate. They want zero attachment. These are their fantasies.

And married guys who have long ago stopped having regular sex with their wives are finding younger twink bottom guys more desirable. One, a lot of them are fem and soft. The sex is a lot easier to find without the hassle of some girl begging you to leave your wife or getting pregnant. Very few women would be willing to wait ass up for your arrival, just to fuck them. And with prep it is a lot safer to play and if you happen to catch something these days it's the sort of thing you can clear up with medicine.

Huge majority of men are 100% straight. Huge majority of straight men are disgusted by gay sex.

R54 Ten percent gay isn't accepted by the rest of us. It's a bullshit number that Alfred Kinsey came up with. And he did his "researches" in male prisons and gay underground scene. Plus he didn't knew the difference between gay and bi. Even today, in 2022 if you look at the latest researches, the number of gay AND bi people is under 5% on any poll you look at, from any country that made said researches.

There is sex, and then there is the picking out of china patterns and an emotional connection.

They have no "emotional connection" to substitute mothers.

Even if there are no women available, I’m not swimming to gay island

[quote] Women are very homophobic and expect men to be pure heterosexual.

That hasn't been my experience, I find most women more accepting than straight men, but man if they find out their husband prefers dick over pussy, watch out.

This thread is baffling.

A number of otherwise hetero guys (10%?, 20%?) will experiment with another guy sometime in their teens and early 20s. It is almost always unplanned and with someone they consider a friend. Alcohol and drugs are usually involved too--hanging out after a party-- and while they may repeat the activity, which is usually limited to oral, they eventually grow out of it and they don't go looking for other men to have sex with.

[bold] Any guy who goes on Grindr or similar apps looking for a man to have sex with is not straight. They are likely closeted, bi at best.[/bold]

How do you all not know this?

r82, it makes sense. A guy cheating with another chick is either too much of a horn dog to just bang you, or he's no longer attracted to you physically. But if he secretly likes dick, that means your whole marriage from the very beginning was a lie. Devastating, infuriating. Years, sometimes decades, of life wasted.

R82 R84 --- as has been discussed on DL ad infinitum, hetero men think it's hot when a woman has a bi experience, but hetero women largely hold to the theory of "suck one cock and you are gay forever" Which is why their spouses do not disclose their teenage experimentation

Um who the fuck cares what they are called R3?

[quote]And married guys who have long ago stopped having regular sex with their wives are finding younger twink bottom guys more desirable.

Straight guy wound find a twink bottom desirable as much as you queens find desirable a young butch girl. God, the delusion!

R87 Sex is sex. I would fuck a young butch girl given the right circumstances because I like fucking people in general. I like the act of fucking and the way something warm feels around my cock. I am not looking for a girl to fuck, but if the opportunity arose, I probably would. And I am gay and attracted to the male form. But if I had some butch fem neighbor who was super horny and would wait ass up and I could walk in and she'd let me fuck her hole with gay porn playing on the tv and go, I'd probably take her up on it.

OP- A SHOCKING number of men are BOTTOMS

R88 You are bisexual slut, you are not relevant on this matter.

A lot of people here are confusing sex with love.

Many straight men will have sex with another man but could never love them.

That is why I say my long term straight hook up(married with kids) is not bisexual.

I've known him long enough to know he is completely incapable of falling in love with another man, but will have sex with them purely as a sexual release. A release that 'the wife' wont either provide enough or has lost interest for the most part.

If he could score pussy, he'd be there in a flash as well, and on past experience develop feelings for them on an instinctual level, but a total zero with a guy.

It's a matter, I suppose, as what you define as bisexual.

I see it as both love and lust. Not just one without the other.

And spare me the oh pathetic you etc. I know the deal and I enjoy the arrangement. If i didn't I wouldn't bother. I have no interest in him 'loving' me in the slightest. It aint the deal.

Women want to be wined and dined. Guys just wanna get their rocks off.

This /

British naval ships!

Rum, sodomy and the lash! Not your father's HMS Pinafore.

Where are all you homos finding these "straight" guys to have sex with? You do know that gay guys posenas straight to get more cock.

To the lady naysayers, get on Grindr yourselves and see.

R97 I can write on Grindr that am 9'6 tall, athletic, 20 yo blonde straight guy, having a wife and mistress and three kids, as well.

Plenty of straight friends in your inner and outer circle will call on your gay expertise when the wife loses interest after year 2 of marriage.

Remember when a poster on DL talked about how he would lie and tell men he was straight and married because he could score so well and a bunch of queens freaked out? That was funny

Yeah, you can, R98.

Your point? Although there is no discussing it more from me. Men like sex.

Help me understand. Is fucking a straight guy akin to bagging a unicorn? Most straight men past 30 are slobs.

Actor here. When I moved from NYC to LA for work, I was surprised how few gays worked on my project. They all had wives and families. One lesbian and that was it. It was upsetting.

I think the secret is being a cool laid back, not queeny gay guy. I have a handful of close straight friends. They know exactly who I am. When we go out I am looking for boys, they are looking for girls. I am extremely comfortable in my sexuality around them, I don't apologize for it. These are pretty attractive guys, have no problem getting girls. They are bartenders, trainers, people I've met over my years in NYC and started hanging out with. Every single one of them, at some point has opened up to me about shit they have done with other guys, either in school or in their early 20s. Most of them have said they have never ever told anyone. And most surprisingly it was usually with a much older guys at the time.

One buddy was telling me about some 50 year old man who picked him up when he was 19 on the Long Island Railroad on his way home. That became a thing where the older guy would just suck him off, give him stuff. Another told me about how a father of a friend at the time started playing with him, same thing, sucking him, pushing his limits. And they talk about how they enjoyed it, it was just about sex and how they still think about it sometimes but haven't done anything like it since. Of course that drives me crazy because I would suck each and every one of them off. Instead they just send me pics of fucking girls, show me pics of their cocks and a joke because they know I like it.

Straight men usually crave twinks once they reach 40.

R101 My point is that these guys claiming to be straight on Grindr are lying, cause straight men are on Tindr looking for chicks, not Grindr. Btw. I see that I have written that I could write on profile that I was 9'6 tall, that would be too much lying even for Grindr. I meant that I could write on profile that I was 6'6" tall, just as these guys are claiming to be straight. I mean, when you meet you would see that I am not 6'6", just as you would see that a guy is not straight once he has your dick in his mouth.

[quote]Straight men usually crave twinks once they reach 40.

Gay men usually crave butch lesbians once they reach 40.

DLer's dream

You know, it's funny. Considering how much the Boomer generation loves to wax on about millenials and Gen Z being obsessed with labels, I find they're often just as guilty.

I've personally always believed that in order for someone to be gay/bi, there needs to be an emotionally romantic aspect. Otherwise, it's a fetish.

Don't get me wrong - there are definitely guys who are repressed and refuse to accept truths about themselves, but when you're so pressed by society to define yourself via narrow constraints (gay, straight, or bi), I can understand why some guys would rather not.

I hooked up with a few straight guys before. It was just fun. There was no romance on either part. One of them I've hooked up with a few times since. I don't consider him gay or bi, as I don't actually think he'd enter a relationship with a man. The others... I don't know if they've done anything with other guys since.

I don't define myself by other people's standards, and I don't blame anyone else who doesn't.

I'm gay, incidentally. I choose that for myself because it's how I see myself. Not because some label-obsessed pseudo-polotical hack nagged me into using their terms.

[quote]Many straight men will have sex with another man but could never love them. That is why I say my long term straight hook up(married with kids) is not bisexual.I've known him long enough to know he is completely incapable of falling in love with another man, but will have sex with them purely as a sexual release.

Nope, he could just be the worst case of self loathing closet case. I have read posts, here on DL, of guys who say that they are not even sexually attracted to women, but can only connect romantically with them (the romance without sexual attraction, wtf is that), while with men who they are attracted to, they have to run away the moment they come, because they feel nauseated after the sexual act. People have various psychological issues about sexuality, particularly when it comes to same sex attraction, which is the cause of big shame in many people.

There are many gay men on DL who only have sex with guys and never fall in love and don't have relationships, yet they don't delude themselves that they are not homosexual. Sexual orientation is about sexual attraction, having the problems of emotionally connecting with people you are attracted to is another psychological issue. How do you know if this guy even feels something for his wife? There are many loveless marriages, but heterosexual marriage is expected and convenient.

This guy who you have been fucking for 20 years, is at least bisexual. Btw, isn't it almost the norm for bisexuals to only hook up with men and to be in relationships with women.

R109 As I said in my previous post, I believe that it is almost norm for bisexuals to only have hook ups, without romance and relationship with men.

Same with married closet cases. You know the type that only cheta wife with men, cause they are not attracted to other women than the wife who they have for societal reasons. They can spend their whole life without ever having a romance/relationship with men.

Not true. My long time straight married man hook up had an affair with another woman over a long time and definitely had deep feelings for her. It became quite messy when the family found out but all parties decided to stay together and he ended the affair. On the sidelines i witnessed it all I could careless about the other woman. Love didn't come into our deal and therefore there was no jealousy.

Ok, he is bisexual slut then, R112.

I can agree on one thing with you R109, I really don't care about men who don't or can't engage emotionally or romantically, would rather leave all these men with confused sexuality to psychiatrists.

The self delusion of the Eldergay is mind blowing.

Some otherwise straight guys will have some sort of gay sexual encounter when they are in their teens or early 20s, but it is always situational (e.g., they were with a buddy and both drunk)

Straight guys do not go on Grindr or Craigslist or go to bathhouses or gay bars.

Those are either:

a) gay men pretending to be straight to pull in hotter dick

b) closeted gay men who are married to women and may indeed still have sex with them and father children with them. (This is not unusual.)

c) bisexuals

But FFS, gay guys don't come home and say "No luck at the Velvet Spike tonight, better go on Tindr and find some hot chick to blow me" and more than straight guys go on Grindr to find a gay guy to blow them.

^^ANY more than

1, I hate when people say I don't go by Labels. Can we just agree from now on that whatever label you don't go by is what you actually are but don't want to be known as of yet? It's like someone asking if you're Left Handed - "I don't go by labels." You were born in LA, aren't you Californian? - "I don't go by labels." The only labels someone doesn't go by are the ones they are embarrassed by. I am sure most people would have no problem with someone labelling them - attractive, smart, rich, talented. I am gay, I'm not embarrassed being gay, therefore it doesn't bother me when someone labels me as gay.

2. The label is based on what you masturbate to, period. What you masturbate to is the best indication of what you desire sexually. Better than what you have done or will do physically. When your mind can go anywhere it wants, the things it chooses to land on to get you off is what you are sexually. That is how I know I have had sex with straight men, and they are not closet cases. They just liked the convenient, no trouble, no attachment head that guys give other guys. They are not at home jacking off to the idea of a guy going down on them. They usually aren't even thinking that when it's happening. Once you start masturbating to thoughts of that pretty boy's mouth on your dick, that is a different thing all together.

And for anyone who asks "who would ever want to have sex with someone like that above?" has no concept of sexual attraction at all and must have a super dry ass sex life. I am not saying you would want to do it all the time, but hot sex can sometimes be completely one-sided AND fulfilling at the same time.

[quote] Where are all you homos finding these "straight" guys to have sex with? You do know that gay guys posenas straight to get more cock.

Hotel bars usually. If you're masculine, reasonably goodlooking and non-predatory, you'd be surprised. Bonus if you can talk sports.

The one's complaining, whining and screaming they MUST be bisexual have likely never been intimate with straight guys and have no clue how it works other than their ideological stance on the issue. When you're involved, you know and you see the difference in how they are with women, the instinctual need to bond on a deeper level with them that is non existent with their singular or regular male hookups.

OP, how long did it take for you to realize that not exactly earth shattering fact about human sexuality? Are you going to be telling us about clitoral orgasms next or are you too delicate for that?

[quote] They are not at home jacking off to the idea of a guy going down on them. They usually aren't even thinking that when it's happening. Once you start masturbating to thoughts of that pretty boy's mouth on your dick, that is a different thing all together.

LOL

You "know" this because it's what they tell you to maintain the illusion of heterosexuality.

In my single days in my 20s, despite being a full-on homo, I would tell guys I hooked up with that "I never do things like this" and that I had a fiancee and we had hot sex all the time and how in love I was with her.

It was a form of role playing, they'd ask me to fuck them the way I fucked my (mythical) fiancee.

Again--if a guy is on an app looking for gay sex, he is not hetero.

[quote] When you're involved, you know and you see the difference in how they are with women, the instinctual need to bond on a deeper level with them that is non existent with their singular or regular male hookups.

You just described a bisexual.

Ludicrous. If that happened their male hookups wouldn't happen at all.

I pretend I’m a curious straight married man on Grindr and get laid all the time

[quote] You "know" this because it's what they tell you to maintain the illusion of heterosexuality. In my single days in my 20s, despite being a full-on homo, I would tell guys I hooked up with that "I never do things like this" and that I had a fiancee and we had hot sex all the time and how in love I was with her. It was a form of role playing, they'd ask me to fuck them the way I fucked my (mythical) fiancee. Again--if a guy is on an app looking for gay sex, he is not hetero.

I know this personally because I have straight buddies who have opened up to me about stuff they have done with other guys in the past. Buddies I haven't had sex with, but who I know have hooked up in the past with guys. I know their girlfriends. I know the about girls they cheat with behind their girlfriends backs. I know the kind of stuff that turns them on because guys talk about sex with each other a lot. These guys are not fantasizing about other guys at all, checkin out other guys. But at some point in the past they have let a guy suck them off. Their hetero life is not a facade, it is an actuality. It is what they prefer. And I would imagine probably what they masturbate to.

It's funny I just finished talking to another buddy, texting him. He was going on about how he wanted to hook up with this bartender where he is now because she said he had a crush on him. He's married with two kids. I was just telling him what a dumb idea that would be. He was telling me all the shit he would do to her, want to do to her. I basically said if you're gonna cheat, don't do it with some single bartender chick who might be unstable and have nothing to lose. Either pay someone, do it with someone you will never see again and knows nothing about you OR someone who has more to lose than you do. But mind you, this dude loves sending me pics of his cock because he gets off on being an exhibitionist. Him I actually might have sucked once or twice. Gorgeous cock. I miss it.

"There’s a bartender here I always see for lunch who told me the other day she has a massive crush on me. Then after I left she told my buddy she’d let me do whatever I wanted to her. I’d probably let her take me upstairs to her place. Drive her crazy kissing her. Kiss her through her panties to get her soaked. Let her suck my cock while I finger her from the back. Then pull her panties aside and fuck that plump pussy while I bite and suck her feet. Then hit it from the back. Eating her ass while I drag my cock across her sweaty soles. She’s aware I’m married and all and she knows I’m leaving this job in a few weeks. It’s definitely something to think about your right"

after my advice:

"Oooooohhhh your good. Your right for sure. I love you for your words of wisdom. You know very how my anxiety gets. I let my cock run away with thoughts sometimes. Much appreciated"

Ah yes, your personal experience…

There is a really strong contingent of miserable people on DL with sad lives, like r126, who refuse to believe anything other than what is happening in their dusty corner of the world could actually exist. And their worlds are getting smaller and smaller it seems because they are refusing to believe even the simplest things could occur. There needs to be a Juneteenth-like intervention for them to let them know the pandemic is over and they can get off of their computers and leave their basements and enter the real world again.

R127 believes there are no sexes just like he believes a man who sex with other men are "straight"

The guy who posted his wife would not let him cum on her face...why did you post in m4m? Why not post in m4w?

I believe a man who lets another man suck his cock can be straight, yes r128. A man will stick his dick in a gloryhole and have no idea who is sucking on it, and still get off. That doesn't change his sexual identity. It's like saying a woman who wants to get choked out during sex wants a husband who beats her when she doesn't have dinner on the table.

SMH @ R125

You are confirming what was posted at R115,

Your straight friends who love to share their gay sex stories with you all (by your account) had some experimental fumblings when they were in their teens and early twenties. Point being they did not actively seek out a gay men to have sex with. This is common enough and it's an experience and they go on to lead heterosexual lives. Thus it is not surprising that they are straight or that they had a homosexual experience (or two) in their youth.

[bold] The guys so many DLers claim are "straight" are guys they meet on Grindr or CraigsList back in the day or similar. These guys are actively looking for gay sex. They have downloaded an app, created profiles and sent photos, agreed to meet up with a stranger for a gay sexual encounter. These men are not straight. [/bold]

See the difference?

Labels are so 2012.

R129, I did that first. Had a few serious responses but nothing ever came of it so to speak.

OP here. Who the fuck said straight? I said Married.

As for this bit of shit."Straight guys do not go on Grindr or Craigslist or go to bathhouses or gay bars:"

I meet them in hotel bars, the gym, and other NON gay places. I never go on grinder (craigslist has long been defunct) baths or gay bars. I hate gay bars.

The label does not matter, what I am saying is that in my experience many men are flexible.

[quote] Ten percent gay isn't accepted by the rest of us. It's a bullshit number that Alfred Kinsey came up with. And he did his "researches" in male prisons and gay underground scene.

No, the 10% came BEFORE Kinsey did his research in prisons.

He was a scientist and knew what an objective survey is. He knew quite well that just surveying the gay underground scene would have skewed the results.

Ah.

OP is the Hotel Bar Troll.

He has posted about this before.

I suspect he once met a closet case in a hotel bar....

I think we have another troll.

R135 And where did those 10% came from them? Someone made it up. Even today, in 2022, every poll you see has the numbers that are waaaay lower. About 2%-3% at most identify as gay.

All the straight guys I have met who I have ended up playing with I met out and about, not on any app. And not that it was my goal necessarily to do anything with them. I just found them attractive and struck up a friendship with them. It could be a good year or so of knowing them before anything happened. Or before they opened up to me about stuff they had done in the past. But I must say, the number of straight men I have encountered who haven't done anything at all with another guy is smaller than those who've had.

I think we found OP

Humans are horny by default sexual beings. We are supposed to be. Beauty and attraction, man, that's the ticket to which we are all responsive. You're trying to tell me that a man can find beauty in a woman, a car, a home, a situation, a place, architecture, animals, furniture, and on and on and on. But, when it comrs to the appearance and energy of another male, then NOPE! He has absolutely no opinion in any direction re said male. Conformity is the culprit. Again, the extreme aversion to the homosex is a learned and conditioned aversion. Acceptance of feigned ignorance and useful hypocrisy spells safety. The propensity, I've always believed, still exists in many, no matter that they will not admit to it. Use your fucking heads!

It's a cottage industry

What the wives don't know won't hurt 'em.

Video versoin

Another instructional video

r115 you might be surprised by the amount of gay guys that have had sex with women as well. No, they're not likely to pop on tinder bercause the market is different. Most of us understand there are different societal expectations that are sorted by biological sex and yes, even in progressive circles.. in how males and females approach sex. females are just as likely to be policed by other women in this regard... regardless of scene.

We recognize and even accept bi-curiousity among str8 women, often it's performative in young adulthood, while among mature women, it's getting tired of the scene. Frankly, there's more long standing established places for str8 women, women solely attracted to males, to become lesbians. albeit, they do tend to be the nutty political lesbian types and end up policing and pooh-poohing actual lesbians' sexualities. (also, hence why the majority of nonbinary are females.)

we could even break this into str8 men that will use tranny prostitutes -- the vast majority aren't interested in chicks with dicks, though there are a few that fetishize that.. the popularity of that to str8 men is because they can get someone with the aesthetics of someone 7 or above while most biological prostitutes in any given area is a rough six (and that's being generous) or below. In that case, it's because they want someone that looks female.. so, they're willing to overlook the other aspects.

If they're using apps, then it's a bit like the sex differences in shopping, most blokes will enter a store knowing exactly what they're looking for and exit., females have a tendency to browse and shop around.

So, the circumstances that would lead a str8 guy to use a gay app is that he's in a situation, where he's just looking to get off. While str8 apps, most women are looking for a relationship, even if they're open to sex or they're looking to be paid for it. - it's likely he had one from a guy and that guy is no longer available - in fact, they don't tend to have physical preferences on these sites, if anything they have social requirements which are largely little more than discretion and a semblance of safety. They're most often just looking for a blowjob. They're not using it meet guys, they're using it to get a blowjob with someone that is close by, discrete and available at any hour they have free. the blow 'n' go that so many gay/bi guys hate.

the homosocial types tend to be the sort that just want to masturbate, tho, often the homosocial types are the ones looking specifically for bi guys, because one of their other frequent areas is non (male) contact group sex. They get more hits on m4m sites than in w4m sites. Also, on w4m/m4w sites, they fear exposure to friends or family than being on gay sites.

Most of them would be better off with sex toys - but even most gay guys aren't into sex toys, outside of anal prep (butt plugs) or cockrings. the stats are much lower than most people think. masturbation toys while enjoyable are still more novelty to most guys. And most guys in a relationship with a woman don't feel their partner would be comfortable with them having sex toys and porn at home... more so, if they have children.

The type of guys I've observed the most are in the midlife crisis territory... they may be bicurious or prefer that gay chicken area of homosocial bonding but often times, it's just busting a nut with the least amount of hassle.

It's prison ex.

They are not sexually attracted to men but the greater availability and the ease of access leaves it as a viable option.

I feel like people here are quibbling on definitions. They don't believe in sexual attractions, so they make it about the sexual act. like the jokes of many a comic "But suck one dick...." -- I'm keen to believe the disbelief of all this is more the fraus that believe if a str8 guy is checking out dicks at the urinals or in the locker rooms then he's a faggot too because a real man would only have eyes for the only the woman he was with than gay men, though I know there's some deranged lads here that need to believe that guy they had sex with and left them for a woman is just a self hating fag.

And it pairs well with the idea of how masculine gay guys are constantly treated as self hating, too... with this expectation that gay men are just inferior women.

Seducing a straight guy is a lot easier than you think. I should know because I’ve hooked up with dozens of them over the past 10-years.

Some of those experiences were fulfilling. Others totally sucked. But all of them happened because I made the conscious choice of taking control.

You see if you want to get with a straight guy, it’s not going to happen through magic. You’re going to have to put some work into it. But if you play your cards right, you should be able to have your way with relative ease.

I’m telling you this because the research suggests that straight guys go gay a lot more than you think. But here’s the thing. They don’t necessarily think what they are doing is “gay” when they experiment.

Keep this in mind as you go about your business.

I was just looking for that "wasn't your man last night" song/video the other day to add to this thread, R148, but didn't know the spelling of that crazy name. Great minds.

Here’s a quick story to set it up for you. Recently, I hooked up with a 25-year old AT&T tech named Cody*. He was dispatched to my condo for Internet repairs.

The guy is 6’0 with jet black hair and brownish eyes. He’s got a medium, muscular build that’s not overdone. He also has a super masculine presence. While the body types are different, his face and manhood are similar to reality TV personality and body builder, Leo Stronda (see this totally not safe for work link to get an idea).

And one more thing about Cody – he’s married with kids.

But those last two facts didn’t stop me from draining him out like a helpless ragdoll – multiple times. In fact, he’s heading over to my place this weekend.

If you are interested in how to seduce straight men like Cody, this article is for you. I’m going to teach you how to make it happen in ways that might surprise you.

In this article, you’ll learn:

• How to take charge with confidence

• The best ways to get his guard down

•  Why you shouldn't hide that you are gay

•  Ways to build camaraderie

• How to make the first move

•  How not to make the experience “gay”

•  Getting him to come back for more

•  Taking it slow

• How to handle kissing

• Avoiding the love trap

About Me

Before continuing, I figured you might want to know a little about me. It’s only fair, right? OK, here it goes. I’m 35 years old and live in Miami. While I’m certainly not a model, I do OK in the looks department.

Like you, I’m into hot guys. And in order to attract the type of men that I like, I work out a lot at my gym. I go out of my way to give off a laid back “beach boy” vibe, even though I’m pretty neurotic.

Finally, I have a thing for manly men. And the biggest turn on in the world (at least to me) is siphoning out a straight guy’s juice and swallowing it whole. I know that may sound sick but I’m trying to keep it real.

Here’s why I like it.

When you drain him out, he’s inside of you for the entire day. In other words, his “straightness” is careening through your system.

Finally, I consider myself a top. It doesn’t turn me on at all to try and make some hetero guy bottom. In fact, it’s a real turn off.

In my experience, most breeders won’t go for that. But they are super curious. And that curiosity is what makes them vulnerable to guys like me – and hopefully, you.

OK, here are the tips!

R138, here's an interesting article that researches the history of the 10% figure.

Yes it's imperfect but other researchers came up with a similar figure

I tend to like straight guys because I can get much hotter guys to have sex with. Attractive gay guys tend to know their exact value in the open market and act accordingly - stuck up. A str8 guy has never really considered his looks when it comes to the appreciation of men. If you target one and take your time, it isn't too hard to eventually get some dick. Go out drinking, get them horned up talking about sex. One of those nights you are bound to have something happen. And as the person said above, let them know very clearly you are gay, and let them know you're a horny gay, but make no pass at them. You're just buddies. Any guy will wonder why you're not hitting on them - what do you mean, I'm not your type? Even though they never thought of it before, they will wonder if they would have what it takes looks wise to be a success in the gay world. And then one night when you both strike out finding someone, you can do each do the other a favor. And when it finally does go down, make sure they know they are the str8 one and you are the gay one. You are gay, but what they are doing is not gay.

Oh, and BTW, I have a straight married buddy who loves sending me pics of his delicious cock. He gets off being told what to send. If someone gives me a good idea, I'll suggest it just to show you guys. He only does close up cock stuff, so nothing too crazy or with two many props.

A friend is obsessed with straight cock. He will work on a guy for weeks and usually be successful. He’s likes out of town conferences because he score with a lot of straight guys when they’re away from their wives.

I have no interest in straight guys (although I have had sex with some), so the constant yearning for it makes no sense for me

It's amazing how many delusional men there are on DL. To actually pretend that men who have sex with or engage in sexual acts with other men are heterosexual is mind boggling.

R143 and r149 were loaded with spam, at least for me

R155 you don't yearn for it because you know those men are bisexual and the thrill wouldn't be there. Your friend knows these men are bisexual (or gay) but he pretends they are straight because it feeds his ego.

There's nothing delusion about this to anyone who interacts with people in the real world. Humans aren't as easily categorised as people might want. We're all so influenced by the ideas of the day, the culture we have grown up in, etc. But it's the same old argument going round again and again on here, so who can be bothered?

The tips in that article above are pretty good, by the way. Definitely you should be open that you are gay, and at the same time you need to act like you're his buddy, not that you're lusting after him. Get him talking about sex, I found faux-naive questions like: "do girl's pussies really smell like fish?", "what does a pussy feel like?" etc actually work wonders. And straight guys are often fascinated by gay sex, so answer whatever they ask, but in an offhand way. I found giving a straight guy advice on things he should get his girlfriend to do to him to ended up very happily for me when I got to demonstrate exactly what I meant on him.

It's just important you know how to interact with straight guys, where to push and where to hold back. You can't be direct, you have to go around the houses a bit and you have to let him be in charge while at the same time having confidence yourself.

One example of what I mean by not being direct. One guy I was really into, well I didn't flirt with him and tell him how good his body looked etc. Instead, I said to him, pretending to look for advice: "I've been going to the gym for awhile and I'm really not happy with how it's going so far. I need to get a hold of a really good workout for better results. Hey, what's YOUR workout?"

Subtle, it indicated to him (I saw it in his eyes) that I thought he had a good body, but was asked in a way that wouldn't put him off. It broke a bit of a barrier between us right then.

I know people will scream: "They're NOT straight!" but a guy who happily lives a straight life, chases pussy and is uninterested in men, except for the occasional blowjob when they really need to get off, has every right to define himself as straight I think.

I agree with you R159 100%.

You're a complete homophobe R159. He isn't straight. Because he has sex with both women and men. The literal definition of bisexuality. You have such an insane ego you need to think that a man is straight except when it comes to you and a few other super "masculine" guys.

Just like a person with a dick and balls isn't a woman, no matter what they identify as. I know we are supposed to live in times where reality is what you imagine it to be, but intelligent people see through that.

R161 SEX with the same gender is not the literal definition of Bisexuality. I wish people would at least get that part right. Bisexuality is the sexual ATTRACTION to each gender.

[quote]Those who identify as bisexual feel a sexual and/or romantic ATTRACTION to people of a different gender as well as their own.

As you know, men can have sex with a watermelon. There is no need for attraction for a man to get hard and get off. Again a guy can stick is dick through a hole and the wall and have someone get him off.

.Those of us who have had sex with straight guys know the truth of things as we have the lived experience unlike the textbook brigade who think they know better-from their reading.

Yesterday, as I was performing a rim job on my straight fella regular hookup, his wife rang to ask him about their upcoming holiday booking.

I let them sort it out while I had a pee.

We got back to business & some time later and I got a face spray of cum.

I left and said have a good holiday with the mrs.

It's an easy well managed exchanage.

“Normal men” OP? You mean like Miss Samantha Heughan? She’s just a normal man - apparently.

KevininMiami above sounds like an unhinged house-bound frau writing truly appalling m/m fiction.

r165 maybe... but truthfully I wanted to see how far they'd take the bit.

"But not gay men, just normal men."

Somehow I missed this in the OP. You are trash, darling. Trash.

This whole thread is stupid. A man will stick his dick through a whole not caring who is sucking it on the other end, and knowing it is probably a guy. Most of them are frustrated, married men, or curious college/high school guys etc. There was a sting operation at a local glory hole and they busted 10 guys and put their pictures in the paper, all of em married.

I know a bi man who says the easiest place to find other bi men is in straight bars, actually, particularly if you're at an out-of-town meeting.

When it's getting late, and the bar has mainly cleared out, the bi men find each other

Gay men routinely sleep with women, according to the logic of this thread.

R170, just get out and meet people and you'll see the truth of what guys above are telling you.

R171 the ignorant are looking for an echo chamber, they will never go out.

The delusional will never admit these men are bi, it would ruin the fantasy R172

R170 exactly. Since straight men will have sex with men, the logical conclusion is that gay men will sleep with women.

Many gay men have and have even had children! Shocking!

Adam Lambert discusses his wonderful sex with a woman yet still to my knowledge identifies as gay. Things that make you go HMM.

The idea of Adam Lambert having sex with anyone is not pleasant.

I believe it -- and have experienced it with them myself, too. I think it's unfair to criticize a straight guy who wants to sometimes fool around with other guys by saying he isn't straight. That would be as offensive as someone telling me I'm not the gay man I know that I am. To straight guys who sometimes play with other guys, it's not being closet cases, it's that the sex is a purely athletic-type, physically pleasurable experience.

That's what the term Bi is for, they may only be slightly or occasionally bi, but they're bisexuals.

I temped with a straight guy in New York in the 90s--who was gorgeous BTW--who said any gay man looking to have sex with a straight man should just show up at a straight bar at 4:00 am (closing time) and hit on the guys who hadn't managed to hook up with a woman. He said not many of them would say no at that time of night. There were a couple of us gays in the room when he said this and we piped up, "What bars do YOU go to, Fernando?"

I shop at Bi-Mart!

R178 how is it criticizing someone to say they aren't straight?? If you have sex with women occasionally then you aren't gay, you're bisexual. If you're a man who occasionally has sex with men then you're bisexual, not straight, hate to break it to you sweetie.

The self loathing homophobia of some queens is something else.

Sexuality is on a scale. That said, Op is a chippy, slut.

r173 r179 The idea that sexuality is purely about intercourse is the delusion.

Under your logic, then homosexuality is exceedingly rare given the vast number of homosexuals that have had sexual experiences, including survival sex (i.e. prostitution), kids playing doctor and perhaps even victims of sexual assault, with the opposite sex. . . and that heterosexuality is also exceedingly rare that even down to every guy that ever took a peek at another man's cock or ass and sprung wood, or the great many str8 guys that have male preference types when it comes to the kind of porn they watch -- which is a prime area to discuss the sheer amount of lesbians into gay, biologically male, porn. Except these conversations are rarely as intense as they are when it involves women dabbling in lesbianism or gender bending. . . or the general questioning of female sexuality, there aren't as many hard rules because people view women as sexually fluid and on a spectrum. They also like to believe that heterosexual men that are gay friendly even must be bi because the perception is so heavy that they'll be so viscerally disgusted by homosexual men they wouldn't even want to socialize with them. Hence we also have those people in the thread that vehemently deny any woman of ever being homophobic all on her own and separate to the patriarchy.

It's also like that delusional segment of the anti-trans crowd that when there's a trans that is passing and a man is attracted to them that they are bisexual.

And the same with drag kings/queens or even just the occasional problems effeminate men or butch women have with reading as the opposite sex -- to which even if they're viewed by their partners as being their biologial sex..,. you'll have the same triggered people claiming it's bisexual to ever be interested in them.

Or the gay paranoia crowd that if a str8 guy enjoys butt play from a woman that's a clear sign he's gay -- that one is a weird one.., given there's many women that enjoy that being the giver claiming it less as sexual than empowering or enjoying the taboo of pushing him over the edge using his forbidden place but completely wig out if he enjoys or worse yet begins requesting it or even just engages in anal masturbation. But it also enters into that area of chivalry and protecting those frail little flowers as the biggest trigger for that lot is when it comes to females rimming males. Likewise, we also get the antiquated throwbacks to the consideration of female sexuality as being tragically abused and manipulated if they enjoy sticking their tongue up a man's ass and eating out his raw hole. That also extends to females being the penetrative partner of anal because they don't understand how a woman could even enjoy it, males at least have a greater biological excuse.. but unsurprisingly, this is also the lot, not unlike political lesbians, that lack belief in female sexuality, sexual interests and attractions period. So, not that shocking.

R184 um no. It's been clarified multiple times we aren't taking about young people still exploring their sexuality. But yes, if you get a boner looking at a man then you are at least bisexual if not homosexual.

The only reason you and so many others are denying that a man engaging in sexual acts with another man is gay or bisexual is because you are homophobic. Or you don't want the fantasy of fucking a "straight" guy to be broken. Just like a trans woman gets irritated when you point out that a dick and balls makes a person a man, not a woman. People refuse to play into your mental illness that up is down and black is white.

r185 You're the one denying biology and the basics of psychology here to fit your delusional and transparently sociopolitical views... older men continue to get erections at abstract things as well. Frankly, watching pistons moving up and down on machinery is enough to turn some guys on. It doesn't mean they want to fuck the machine. . . though there are a few guys that tried.

And in watching str8 porn, most guys care about that guy that's in them... most are turned off by the Ron Jeremy types. The vast majority want porn that includes men and they want those men to be goodlooking, in shape and hung.

In your logic, then my reality relays the point that there are very few 'true' heterosexual men or there's a much larger number of "bi" men than anyone else.. I can't take a piss in public restroom without having guys curious about my dick. I couldn't count the number of times that quickly move from the second glance after catching it in their peripheral to outright staring. Or having the sideshow party tricks of being able to suck myself off or given the right conditions of fucking myself. We could argue that's more novelty and being a freakshow attraction but a lot of dudes have penis envy and fantasize about dicks or what they would do if they had a bigger one. Frankly, I really don't know of any guy that is 100% satisfied with his own penis. The grass is always greener... cucks are a good example of that insecurity.

then we also get into ejaculation.. like audience applause and laughter tells people how to respond to what their watching, the moneyshot is what gets most str8 guys off. Their love of cock is why they're into facials and titty fucking. The latter because they're more interested in seeing the dick in action that's hidden from view with penetration... the former because they want to see the end result when it explodes. Their greatest fantasy is to be able to suck their own dick, frankly, most desire to eat their own cum when they're horny but the interest leaves immediately when they ejaculate.

Frankly, if you ever want to fuck a "str8" guy.. it's that moment when all inhibitions fade right before they cum and they're willing to do anything. . . and that, of course, is intensified when chems are in the mix.

Gay dudes are the ones that don't want to see that cum go to waste. . . whether it's swallowing or breeding... sure, they fetishize dicks too but it goes far deeper like getting down on your knees and accepting the firm but delicate body of christ in your mouth, eating of his flesh and devouring his essence. Gay men are filled with christ's love at the temple of man... and like jesus, they tend to be a little happier if there's more than one apostle in the room. . . depending on the night, they can take or leave, Ms. Mary M. .. if she is involved, it's probably just limited to fluffing up the twelve apostles.

Per usual, DLers are completely delusional.

I have been actively seeking out sex with men for the past 15 years, and the percentage of men who actively seek out regular sex with other men is minuscule. No more than 5% of the male population, and most of these men are gay bottoms.

Most men are straight and they are not interested in men in any sexual capacity. Period. Like are you guys seriously that deluded?

Are gay bottoms like the guy bragging about blowing his “straight” conquest, also suggesting that gay bottoms will eat a pussy because they’re horny and no cock is around? It works both ways, right?

You guys who believe most or even a majority of men have hooked up with or actively seek out men for sex are ridiculous.

Hooked up again with my straight buddy this morning for a 09.00 session.

Left at 10.30am.

Will see him again a couple of times next week.

School holidays after that so a little sojourn for a week or two.

R187, it's not delusional. Believe me. Maybe you're just not doing it right.

[quote]Many gay men have and have even had children! Shocking!

True. Most gay boys had relationships and affair with women because they tried to be "normal", as OP said it. It is not easy to accept that you are an outcast and hetrosexualy is the norm so they tried to adapt. Many more gay men, particularly in conservative places married a woman and live in the closet.

But the posters here claim something else, that heterosexual men have sex with men in big numbers, not because they are same sex attracted, but because it is easier to find a man for sex with no strings attached. All that matters is to get off, no matter if you are eve attracted to the person.

So, following that logic a gay man, particularly in places where it is hard to find a male partner, which is almost all places except big cities in western countries, will gladly grab the opportunity to have sex with a woman, cause it is the same, hole is a hole. It is not that random that women like gay men and hit on them. Particularly os called fag hags, it is not rare that they have feelings for their gay (in university days I had two friends a gay guy and our female friend and she was crazy about him and he knew it, but never grabbed the opportunity, even though he was a top, so the logic hole is a hole failed with him) so according to the posters here, there is massive sexual exchange going between gay men and women.

Are the straight guys who are practicing homosex imune to monkeypox and STDs?

That's the best part R191

[quote]Because of my personal experience I am convinced only about 10% of the population is straight. 80% are flexible

If a man smokes for a few months when he's 17, then doesn't have a cigarette until a parent's funeral when he is 47... Did he ever smoke? (Obviously so.) But is he a smoker? A flexible smoker? A smoker of opportunity?

Paint 100 pictures, Am I an artist? Write 100 books, am I a novelist?

But suck one cock…

Nobody is saying that a youth that tried cock once or twice is gay or even bi. But you are talking about guys who practice homosex regularly, even in mature age, like the fuck buddy of 20 years of one posters. You really are delusional to call these guys straight.

I don't care how they define themselves. I care that their load is going down my throat.

Hooked up again this morning with my straight fuck buddy.

Another good session. He's off to play golf with his straight buddies this afternoon.

Will be going back on Friday. We're both busy till then.

I think this is going to become a common thing in coming years, OP. It's natural to find guys attractive, even if you don't, maybe doing something unusual (or 'forbidden' in religious men's cases) that is hearing a man moan when you put your dick in his ass is more exciting than you think it is, and you feel like doing it often.

Homosexuality is quite common in the animal kingdom, especially among herding animals. Many animals solve conflicts by practicing same gender sex.

Lions are homosexual. Male lions often band together with their brothers to lead the pride. To ensure loyalty, they strengthen the bonds by often having sex with each other.

Homosexuality is also quite common among dolphins and killer whales. The pairing of males and females is fleeting, while between males, a pair can stay together for years. Homosexual sex between different species is not unusual either. Meetings between different dolphin species can be quite violent, but the tension is often broken by a "sex orgy".

The most well-known homosexual animal is the dwarf chimpanzee, one of humanity's closes relatives. The entire species is bisexual. Sex plays a conspicuous role in all their activities and takes the focus away from violence, which is the most typical method of solving conflicts among primates and many other animals. Sex among dwarf chimpanzees is in fact the business of the whole family, and the cute little ones often lend a helping hand when they engage in oral sex with each other.

A Friend of Dwarfy's indeed!

It'd be fascinating to see how human sexuality would be sitting in 2022 if those fucking Abrahamic religions had never become a thing.

Sex can be like a hobby or sport to men. It is something that can be done so casually without ANY other meaning associated with it other than getting off. You just watch, over time sex between men will become more about a mode of male bonding and not just a declaration of a preference or lifestyle - just like it was for 1000s of years before Islam / Christianity / Judaism perverted it.

Couldn't have said it better myself, R201.

R201, you said a mouthful

R112, did you two continue to see each other during his messy straight affair?

Bi sluts.

R201 may have something there. The title of this vid is: Frotting with My Golf Buddy. Age gap, but both men are sporting wedding bands.

[bold] This is a troll thread

Someone is having fun trying to convince gullible DLers that the closet cases they are hooking up with are actually straight.

Given that "seducing a straight guy" is perhaps the most common theme in gay porn, the fact that people fall for this is not surprising.

[bold] Or that there are thousands of gay men out there pulling in straight cock on the regular and that they are just missing out.

Trolling works on many levels.

I just don't understand why people like R207 / r208 are going so hard, like they are saving the world from something. I can understand if something is not your type of thing. But to go on and try to insist that it doesn't even exist is exactly the mentality that's got the US so fucked up right now. Live and let live.

Yeah, but do you mean straight or STRAIGHT straight?

frau

Even if a straight guy wanted to have sex with me, it would be a big NO! I hooked up with two married guys when I was younger and both experiences were nightmare material.

The personal is not the universal

R187 is right.. I am in the vicinity of alot of straight men- my own building. And they love pussy and thats it.

I want all of your lives.

The stories I have always read here are porn worthy and I want my turn!

R214, don't fret. These guys are delusional. The .en they're sleeping with are closet cases and/or bi.

pan? heteroflexible?

hedeonist?

R209, I know - their little mission they're on seems really odd.

R214, the posters bragging about hooking up with straight guys are not hooking up with straight guys. They are bisexual. A heterosexual adult man does not regularly seek out men for sex. Period.

While I understand the attraction gay men have for straight men (they are by default tops, tend to have more masculine faces and personalities), I do not understand the delusion some gay men have around how uncommon gay sex is among men.

DL loves to hate on trannies, but trannies easily get the guys you all are pining over for casual sex. 99% of the so-called “straight” guys on Grindr, who are attracted to women and have sex with women, are looking for feminine trannies, NOT men.

The vast majority of men are attracted to femininity and repulsed by masculinity/dick/male ass/gay sex. Most men like women, and some of these men who identify as straight, like passable trans, because they don’t care about genitalia.

I’m not suggesting some of you haven’t hooked up with straight men. They outnumber gay men by a large margin, and in certain circumstances, particularly if drugs or alcohol are involved, it isn’t uncommon for sexual activity between a gay man and a self-described straight man.

What I am calling out is the assertion that men who regularly go out looking for sex with men, or who use a male cocksucker, are straight. They are not straight.

If a gay man told me he regularly has sex with women, or tries to pick up women, for whatever reason, I would accuse him of not accepting his attraction to women and his bisexuality. Most of you would do the same, yet you make exceptions for “straight” men who apparently love having sex with other men.

I don’t understand why this concept is so hard for you guys to accept. Not rocket science.

Human sexuality is just not able to fit neatly into the categories that some people want it to, I don't think. I find that exciting, but I see that some people find that threatening.

Yet, if you startbwith yourself R220, you can see it is not all that complicated. At least when you are over 25. Funny how the body is adjusted to react to male human only.

I don't know what that means, R221.

Look, I get it. The world is a scary place a lot of the time and many of us need to have things be rigid to make us feel more comfortable. But it's not really how the world is.

R219- Really well said. And probably the truth---

But R222 I am OPEN to your scenario!!!!

Where do you all live? Chatsworth CA, the porn capital of the 90's?

I live in a sexless world. I am a handsome guy, but getting old (almost 44) so maybe that's the problem.

I waited to long to discover sex around every corner like these men on DL :) Nor do I live in a city.

I live in a surfer community and that may be the problem.

R222 If you want to call the sexuality of average adult person rigid, complain to the manager, the creator.

Actually, there are heterosexual men who engage with sex with other males, but they are not normal people: narcissists who derive pleasure from the feeling of power that comes from being desired by someone whose feelings they cannot reciprocate, men driven to prostitution by desperation or to stave off danger (for example, in prison), or fetishists who eroticize extreme behaviours, such as those men who are fascinated by pre-op transsexuals and cross dressers. However, ordinary heterosexual men do not enjoy having sex with other men and the mere thought of doing so is so alien to who and what they are, that they cannot help but to feel either repulsed or indifferent, depending on their character.

As R219 has very well stated, bisexual men are the ones who may actively seek sexual and/or romantic relationships with other men while engaged in relationships with women. The notion that a heterosexual man would seek out other men for sexual release, when there are plenty of women who are more than willing provide them with what they want (gay men are not the only ones who get off on infidelity), is absurd. While youthful experimentation is clearly not a definitive indicator of an individual's true sexuality, actively doing something because it provides him with both pleasure and emotional fulfillment, is indeed a clear indicator of their sexual orientation.

I guess that many gay men love the idea of being so desirable that they have the power to "turn" straight men, but this isn't true at all. If they are sleeping with you, they're bisexual or closet cases. It's as simple as that.

Not this is when R225 lost me

[quote]when there are plenty of women who are more than willing provide them with what they want.

There are not plenty of women out there ready to satisfy every man's sexual needs. What you fail to realize is that 90% of women suck dick like it's a favor, or a chore. Most straight men have never had their cock sucked by someone who really wants to do it. And when they are drunk enough the first time to let a guy do it, they never forget what a blowjob CAN be.

And when did this idea of these straight men ACTIVELY pursuing other men come in? I don't think anyone has said that. I think it is just the opposite. Gay men in the know, know how to actively pursue a straight man as to get him in a moment when his guard is lowered. ALL men like to hunt, and circling a straight guy is a form of hunting that has a certain thrill to it. Again, Sex as Sport. Now I will say this, I have done this before with a straight guy and ended up sucking his dick. They say it's cool, it's not their thing, thank you but no thanks after. Then like four months later or so you get a text looking for more.

Fuck you and your "normal" men comment, OP.

R226 because they're not straight, they are bisexual or gay. Straight men enjoy sticking their dicks into women and women alone. If you weren't such a homophobe, you would admit it.

To R112.

Yes our hookups continue post the affair with the other woman and his reconciliation with his wife and family.

I've known my friend for a long time and I know of the affairs he has had with other women. Some of short duration and one very very long one(the messy one that was found out). In the early years they would come and go. He has a particularly high libido.

He is now on a much tighter leash with his wife and his ability to have side affairs is next to really nothing now except for me. He's getting older now and you start to get a couldn't be bothered going through all the hassle involved in affairs and the emotional baggage that women bring to these things. They want love and protection etc. I demand nothing because emotionally I dont need anything from him.

I, however , do not describe our thing as an 'affair'. We are friends that have sex. We are not in love with one another.

As friends, he has aspects to his personality that are a real pain in the arse(pardon the pun) and I would NEVER want to be in a loving relationship with him. I'd leave in a heart beat. LOL

it's just all about the sexual act and a big 9 inch dick to be crude.

By the way, I KNOW he has not hooked up with any other guys and that's maybe because he has me. Perhaps he would I were not around. Dunno?

Aside from disease issues, I wouldn't care if he DID hook up with other guys. I am not holding onto some sentimental ideal that he only has lust eyes for me on the male side of things and wont stray. He doesn't and it would be difficult to do anyway given his family situation.

We got together yesterday and I'll catch up sometime later in the week when schedules match. It all works well because our feelings cant be hurt if it had to end. I'd miss the sex but that's it. We'll always be friends that both enjoy the company of one another and annoy the hell out of each other as friends often do .

As to one poster who talked about gay guys kind of preying on straight dudes. that's not really the case.

You will always find it's the straight guy that comes onto you. It's not the gay guy grabbing his cock. It's the straight guy who ends up propositioning you.

Yes, you play the game of booze and talk of his straight sexual conquests etc; but if he makes no move, you never will.

I’m man crazy I love cocks feet eating ass drinking piss

Did everyone take good notes on R219s and R225s magisterial lectures?

imagine coming to a discussion forum and getting pissy when someone puts effort into a post lmao

If a "straight" man regularly has sex with another man, he isn't straight.

I've had sex with around 10 married men. I don’t know how they identify and don’t care. The sex is good. If you feel the ned to say they are “at best bi”, go for it. I don’t care. The sex is good.

You sound classy as fuck R234.

I’ve been gang banged by dudes at the gym next to my house. Most of them are married to women who

R235 You sound prissy as fuck

R237 You sound like a shitbag, so I guess we both have things we need to work on.

That video at R206 is hot!

The sequel

R234 if you feel the need to pretend they are straight to feed your ego, do it. As intelligent, logical human beings, we'll be here to call you out on your denial and delusions.

We don’t believe in labels either!

There's lots of jealous gays here who can't score straights and have to hide behind but they aint straight for their lack of success.

They are out there. Too many gays hang around in gay circles only. If you had a mix of straights and gays in your inner and outer circle, chances are one of the straight ones will crack onto you at some stage.

LOL Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better R243

Poor R244. So bitter that he doesn't get any from the straight fellas like the rest of us.

Leave Momma's basement and see what you're missing out on. Put those text books on sexuality away. Get practical!

Sorry, not bitter just grounded in reality.

Whatever you’re getting from “straight fellas”, is no where near what trannies get, R245. So there’s that.

You are ridiculous and have zero self esteem, so have to make yourself feel special by insisting, against all logic, that you have the magical ability to make straight guys drop their pants.

R219 Your argument boils down to semantics, and it's pointless. I've been with guys for extended periods who were otherwise completely straight. If letting me suck them off--and they even reciprocated once in a while--made them bi, then why didn't they seek out other male partners?

My straight fuck buddies never sought out other male partners either.

We moved in the same circles and so I would know.

Some here think we go prowling about for victims, but in most cases it's someone you've known for some time.

I see their online pron histories as well and it's all straight porn.

You need to swallow your pride and admit there are straight guys that have sex with other guys.

R241 Do you have trouble taking in information? I said I didn’t know how they identify and don’t care. This 'stay in your lane' puritan obsession is so tedious.

to be honest, because they have know idea of their level of attractiveness in the gay world, hotter straight guys tend to be easier to get for the average looking gay guy. Anyone else find this to be true? There are so many videos where a hot straight dude would let a 70 yo gorilla blow him. He is not paying attention to the looks or level of attractiveness. If he was actually "into" guys, he would have a little more self respect for his level of partner. And if he were gay, most likely he would be insufferable with his likes and dislikes as far as partners. But str8 guys will let a toad blow them just to get off.

R246 reality is a thing of the past. "Straight" men have sex with other men and out gay men have sex with women, don't you know.

R249 he had sex with you, a man, he is by definition a bisexual. And sorry, Mrs Kravitz ,you don't know if he has sex with other men or watches gay porn, but you sound like a freak and a stalker, get your head checked.

I actually laughed out loud at the statement that others have to swallow their pride and admit that "straight men have sex with other men". If anyone needs to swallow his pride it's a delusional nutcase who claims that men who have sex with other men are straight. You need to buy a dictionary or learn how to use Google so you understand the definition of heterosexual.

R250 oh I understood your little rant. You pretend you don't care about labels and then condescendingly dismiss anyone calling the married men you sleep with bisexual. So you care enough about labels to dismiss them but then pretend not to care. Passive aggressuon at its finest. You sound British.

"Normal men" OP?

F&F and fuck off.

OP what are you on a gay site when you are so obsessed with women?

Wrong thread ^^

[quote]I live in a surfer community and that may be the problem.

Hmmm, I'm in Australia and one thing I know is that bro jobs are kinda a thing in the surfing community. A mate of mine is a competitive swimmer and he was telling us about it. So keep your eyes open!

[quote]The sex is good. If you feel the ned to say they are “at best bi”, go for it. I don’t care. The sex is good.

I'm with you. I don't care how they identify, and I think as humans we're a bit silly to think that 19th century definitions of sexuality are necessarily the truth. But whatever, you do you. I love giving wristies and gobbies and if the guy lives a straight life then I'm not complaining.

I don't wanna classify you like an animal in the zoo, but it seems good to me to know that you're Homosapien too.

R249, how do you see their online porn histories?

It is because these are political lesbians. They are sexually attracted to men, but have emotional and psychollogical issues with them. So, they seek refuge and comfort in women. But they are sexually aroused by them. In the mentioned film, Julianne Moore had affair with Mark Ruffalo's character and cheated her wife, because she felt raw attraction, not because she couldn't find a girl.

r266 Start a thread on it and see how well that theory plays out here or on lesbian chat.

Straight girls watching lesvian porn is rare, probably out of curiosity. This must be the least exciting type of porn, that only straight men dig. I don't think that even lesbians like it.

r268 yet it's frequently cited that more straight women watch lesbian porn than straight porn... likewise more straight women watch gay porn than straight porn and more into kink porn than straight men.

in a smaller category, there are fudanshi - of course, most assume they must be bi or gay but there's a more earnest exploration of the str8 men that enjoy gay male related anime, manga, etc. content in Japan.

the closest we came in the west was with the fandom of Jack Harkness of Torchwood, the spinoff of Dr. Who at the height of it's fame.

I know that straight women like male on male action, normally, cause they like men and double is better than single.

I don't know about lesbian porn, my female friends agree that it is the most unsexy porn there is, cause it is artificial, you see that women are not into it and don't get aroused, it is only meant to satisfy male lesbian fetishiziers. I don't know about women who like it, perhaps because it is less dirty and offensive. And they are curious and straight porn is nasty. But do they get aroused by it? It really looks like watching furniture making out.

^ or Fight Club, for that matter.

Notice how angry the posters are that scream about gay guys who hooks up with straight guys and how deluded they are etc.

Their posts drip with venom and they seem so upset and angry about it all.

They like to hopelessly complicate it, but it's really a simple transaction between a gay guy and a straight dude.

We'll continue to have our fun and the rest can continue to stew about our straight guy hookups.

R274, actually a good idea to just move on and have our fun. On that note, does anyone have any interesting stories or tips that have worked in the past for landing a straight guy? I know personally I am a great listener and give good advice about their relationships with their girlfriends. I used to do a lot of coke too unfortunately. I remember that being like Str8 Boy catnip out at a bar or a club somewhere. You both dip into a bathroom to share a bump and take a piss in front of each other. If they are comfortable doing that, taking turns in the bathroom, that is a sign of a certain comfort level with let you see their penis.

You delusional queens remind of a joke from Balkans. Not very bright Bosnian guy went to the house where Snow white lived with dwarfs to hook up with Snow white. Instead, the dwarfs seduced him and he ended hookink up with 7 dwarfs. When he told the story to his friend at the pub they told him he was stupid and that he should have had sex Snow white who is a beautiful princess. He answered: Snow white is beautiful, but seven times is seven times.

[quote] Women are very homophobic and expect men to be pure heterosexual.

Ever met a swinger or hotwife? A girls’ school student? A yaoi fan? Ever spoken to a real-life breathing female human, ever?

[quote] OP do you know for certain they were all married or is that what they told you?—exit strategy

That’s a common trick women use in social settings with strangers when they don’t want to be hit on. Wear a fake band on the wedding or engagement finger, and instantly at least 50% of men who might have cracked on won’t bother.

R275 has to be the most pathetic, tragic post I've read during my 20 year tenure hear.

Dear God, man, get a fucking life.

If you desire to score a straight guy you first become his friend.

You listen to all his shit and sympathize along the way.

You listen to all his relationship woes with women and offer helpful advice on how to solve his issues and better improve his relationships with women. You are the good friend who listens and wants to see him happy with his female partner.

You let it be known you are gay if he doesn't know already but you do not 'act' or much talk about gay sex or relationships. You keep that very minimal to private. You let him talk about straight sex and in some sense play along and feign interest in the topic. You do not talk about gay sex except that gay guys usually don't have the emotional issues that women have and some times sex is just sex. Keep the details of gay sex to an absolute minimum. You keep this up for however long it takes and the time will come when he has had a few too drinks and come onto you.

Under no circumstances do you come on to him. He must come to you. You somewhat reject his advances and tell him he really probably doesn't mean it. Reject him at least once because you are good friends

You will have times when it seems he will come onto you at any moment but there will be false starts when you think it was going to happen but didn't. One night, however, it will. Do not go all in. Be somewhat reserved and don't go too far. Keep it to a blow job.

After that he will either come for it again or go all strange and avoid you and be quite cruel to you. It's a risky scenario that can pay off or backfire spectacularly even if it was him that came on to you. You get the blame. It's a roll of the dice

You describe it perfectly R280. And funny you mention that because I have a good straight friend like that in just that exact scenario. It had taken so long to reach the final stage, and by the time it did, I cared about him too much, that I actually declined doing anything with him. I didn't want to to ruin our friendship. It's funny how that happens. He is super cute too, but at that point it felt like it would be like having sex with my brother. We still talk about all the sex he has and he loves sending me pictures of his junk or he girls he is fucking. Pretty boy, pretty dick, bangs a lot of chicks. Sounds like a fantasy, but it's not. Every straight good friend, especially in this day and age where gay sex is so normalized in the the porn world they are living in, will catch feelings for you in some way if you're a nice guy.

Y’wha, OPay? Fort this wuz a normull fing..

Oi ownlay hafta whistle out moy froont door, loike, and oi can foind lads who wanna fook mey even thaow thay’ve got a woife or girlfrend. Moy main boyfrend’s been marrayed ten years wiv three kidz.

Footballahs ain’t that pickay and we need a lot ov R&R, ya get mey.

You sound like predator R280, any curious "straight" guy, should avoid your creepy ass like the plague.

To add to my reply at R280

This plays out on reflection rather than being all premeditated. When you write it out it does read like a lot of manipulation.

That is not the case. It merely evolves this way and can read bad when you write it out.

As you read, another guy couldn't go through with it. It's not a a nefarious moustache swirling scam to seduce someone as some kind of dastardly mission. It evolves, it can take a long time and is quite subtle.

[quote] Notice how angry the posters are that scream about gay guys who hooks up with straight guys and how deluded they are etc.

Their posts drip with venom and they seem so upset and angry about it all.

R274 probably because we are living homophobic times where people try to convince us that a man with dick and balls is a woman. It defies logic and intelligence so people naturally get angry when you say something illogical and stupid. But yes, have fun with your "straight" men, we'll be laughing at the thought.

I just call them “socially straight.”

[quote]Notice how angry the posters are that scream about gay guys who hooks up with straight guys and how deluded they are etc. Their posts drip with venom and they seem so upset and angry about it all.

They can't bear thinking that it could be true and that therefore they are missing out, is all.

[quote]we'll be laughing at the thought.

Laugh at the thought all you want. We'll be using our mouths for something quite different.

This week I hooked up on Mon & Tues and we've made a time for this Friday.

Girlies, it is not that people are jealous of your "straight" hook ups, it is just thst people are trying to explain that there is no such thing as a vegetarian who eats meat on sunday.

R289, there is no "Just" about it. It's quite intense and purposeful. Most logical people who "just" want to do something, after having failed to get their message through the first couple of times, would have left the conversation by now. But the ones who are so insistent on the impossibility of a straight man being touched by another man are coming across as delusional as they claim the other camp to be.

R290 My point is that if a vegetarian eats meat once or twice and goes back to vegetables he can still be a vegetarian.

But if he starts to eat meat regularly, he ceases to be a vegetarian, no matternhow he labels himself.

R291 Your point is obvious. I wasn't mistaken about it. It's that your point has been made several times by other people to no avail. So at this point any reasonable person would move on and let it be by now, figuring they are talking to a wall. The fact that people like you still persist, almost 300 replies into the thread proves there is something more going on that "JUST" wanting to do anything. And a few people are pointing out that it could be jealousy. The fact that this has never happened to me, so it can't possibly happen at all. But it does happen. It happens all the time.

One thing that lets me know it happens all of the time are all the hidden where these average fat dudes get to suck off hot dudes. If this dude was actually gay or attracted to men, he wouldn't be letting this pig of a man be sucking him off. But this guy gets so much hot straight trade, it's ridiculous. How are these hidden videos even still allowed anymore?

If you can find the rest of this guys videos too, he has some hot pieces that come through his dirty apartment to get sucked off. Don't think they're escorts but I am sure he throws them some money to covince them.

people, go on fetlife. (thanks, armie!) most of them are up for anything, like 80 percent.

Nah, R292, I am that kind of man, when people get irrational and illogical I dont mind the effort to explain them. My wife always says that I am like pit bull.

There is a lot of married dick sucking going on out there. You have a bunch of straight guys who don't cheat on their wives, but also haven't gotten their dick sucked in five years or more. If they find a regular hookup, just to take the edge off, most likely they are going to go for it. A relationship with a woman is too risky and feels like cheating. So some random anonymous dude who will suck you off, no questions asked, no talking, is pretty much right up their alley.

[quote]One thing that lets me know it happens all of the time are all the hidden where these average fat dudes get to suck off hot dudes. If this dude was actually gay or attracted to men, he wouldn't be letting this pig of a man be sucking him off.

r293, I will say that giving someone head is practically like a hand shake these days. These guys just want a mouth and don't need to feel deep sexual attraction to the person. IMO this type of man sits in a different section of the sexual spectrum than a guy who actually wants to fuck another male up the ass.

If there are so many straight guys willing to drop their pants and let gay guys blow them, then why are there so many thirsty, unfulfilled cocksuckers on every gay hookup app and site?

Most bottoms complain about too much competition, especially for “straight” tops. If there were truly all these straight men out there willing to let a man to give him head, this supply/demand dichotomy wouldn’t exist.

R298, a blow job is not a handshake, and that’s especially true if the man receiving head isn’t even attracted to men. A man who will willingly let another man suck him off or seek out a man for this purpose (outside of a glory hole), is NOT straight. Period.

If there’s money or drugs involved then that’s another story. There are some straight guys or meth heads who will let a man suck them off, but that’s not something they’d do without incentives.

I have known and discussed this subject with many straight men in my age group (Millennial/Gen Z). They are comfortable with their sexuality and non-homophobic, yet they are completely turned off by men, and would not under any circumstance let a guy blow them.

Just like you moron, deluded bottoms in this thread aren’t going to get pegged by a woman or eat pussy just for the fun of it. The feeling of disgust you have envisioning those two scenarios are the same feelings of disgust truly straight men feel about you putting your mouth on their genitalia.

Sometimes my master and his friends dom me with their feet n cocks.

There are many men disgusted at the thought of intimacy with another guy but R299 then seems to think it therefore applies to all straight men.

Those of us who had had sex with straight guys know the truth of the matter, but you won't convince the one's that have never had the experience of sex with the straight guy because they are determine to make it not true despite evidence to the contrary.

I wonder why they are so opposed to it? Envy? It's funny how angry they are about it.

Females of the world would like you to know that all your Sturm & Drang about this is very weird. Just relax.

I know many vegetarians who eat meat when they are drunk.

R303 my 85-year old grandmother is a lifelong vegetarian—not for ethical or religious reasons, just weird OCD/ED reasons and because she likes being difficult—and ever since I as a meat-eater moved in with her as a carer she’s been eyeing my plates at mealtimes. I go out of my way to cook her seperate vegetarian meals, but she’s always got some comment about how good my omnivorous meals look. She defo secretly craves chops and sausages and bacon, just doesn’t want to admit it after all this time and lose face, or stop getting special treatment

Also, my sympathy is limited, because I’m pretty sure she’s partially at fault for me and a few of my cousins having parietal/nutrient uptake disorders—vegan/vegetarian, eating disordered, alcoholic or anaemic grandparents have been strongly linked to inherent generational defects in offspring.

r299 is way old and fug.

r299 post has so many mistakes in it as far as comprehension, I don't know where to begin.

No one is saying there are SO many straight guys willing to do this. We are just saying that they exist.

These straight men aren't seeking out this experience. But it is something they will let happen to them if it comes their way.

So you can still be straight if DRUGS are money involved, but if neither of these are involved then you are not straight? It's funny in my experience, it's actually the Closet Cases that need to be hammered out of their mind before they do anything with guys to have a plausible excuse as to why they did something in the first place. A straight dude might want some weed, but mostly he just wants to cum and get out of there.

[quote]I have known and discussed this subject with many straight men in my age group

Now that is just a bold face lie and you know it. Who actually discusses this with straight friends? Funny, the only kind of gay dude who would discuss this with straight friends is one who is looking to suck their straight friend's cock and is going about it completely wrong. Of course they are going to say they don't want it - until you show them, one on one that they actually do.

And of course he figures calling someone a bottom is degrading. He uses it in a derogatory manner, with moron. So I feel there is a lot of self-loathing and jealousy going on on his part. He's ashamed being gay himself so there is absolutely no way, god forbid, a Straight Male, would do anything with one of us.

And now for something completely different:

It's bald-faced lie, not bold face...

How is calling someone a bottom degrading when that is exactly what the guys bragging about their so-called straight conquests in this thread are, R306?

Do tops go around bragging about sucking off “straight guys”? In my experience, the neurotic obsession with sucking straight dick with no reciprocation is a very specific type of gay bottom — usually someone with self loathing issues and issues with their own (lack of) masculinity.

Ironic that you would accuse me of the very same neurosis that plague the type of deranged, predatory gay men in this thread, who ploy and scheme to get into straight guys pants and insist guys who return over and over to get fellated by them are straight.

Do you have reading comprehension issues, R306? The title of this thread is “A shocking number of men…”. Many deluded responses agree with the OP that there are a plethora of straight men who will willingly engage in sexual activity with other men, and myself and other posters have refuted the claim that these men are straight.

My point about drugs and money still stands. Drugs and alcohol are the incentive which may persuade a straight man to accept a oral from a gay man, NOT because the gay man is simply available and they need to get off. Real straight men are not looking for male cocksuckers, despite how plentiful and available they are. They would rather, and do just masturbate, just like you would masturbate before you’d eat pussy, R306.

Straight men also talk about sex all the time. If you had straight friends or had close platonic straight male relationships you would know this. I have had very open and frank conversations about sex with my straight male friends. I know what they like, and they know what I like, and it’s not a big deal.

You are still a deluded and prove yourself to be more foolish with every rebuttal to the logic laid out from myself and others in this thread.

This thread is just providing proof that there are some gay men that straight men really need to avoid.

Unless they want no-strings-attached blowjobs.

Or an unhinged stalker.

I really would like the gay men who insist straight men have sex with men to reply to those who say it's the same as gay men having sex with women. Oh who am I kidding? You won't reply with anything logical because it would blow a hole in your flimsy argument.

Straight men having sex with men is as common as gay men having sex with women. Simple as that.

R308, I have sucked off straight guys before. I like sucking dick AND I am a top. It just to goes to show you how limited your "experience" actually is.

[quote]Do you have reading comprehension issues, [R306]? The title of this thread is “A shocking number of men…”.

This is just low hanging fruit when it comes to your actual reading comprehension and proof positive you have difficulty with it. A shocking number just means there are a lot more than expected. It doesn't mean that there are actually great numbers of anything. You could say "a shocking number of babies are born each year with two heads" with the actual number being five born a year. So there are not tons of straight men walking around looking for head from gay dudes. But of the guys who are straight a much larger number of them than you'd think are open to receiving head from a dude.

[quote]Straight men also talk about sex all the time. If you had straight friends or had close platonic straight male relationships you would know this. I have had very open and frank conversations about sex with my straight male friends. I know what they like, and they know what I like, and it’s not a big deal.

Yes. And this is the best time to get them all horned up for a sloppy wet blowjob. Or at least jerk off together to some hot porn.

and r312 as said before Gay men have been having sex with straight women for millennia for a million different reasons - love, fear, necessity, to procreate (even in 2022).

[quote]Real straight men are not looking for male cocksuckers, despite how plentiful and available they are. They would rather, and do just masturbate, just like you would masturbate before you’d eat pussy, [R306].

And yes, mostly they do masturbate. Unless it's a friday night, they are drunk feeling horny and you offer. They aren't looking for it, but if you offer they aren't turning it down. And the funny thing I have two gay friends, one who likes FTM trans and eating their pussies and the other who said when he was closeted he used to love eating pussy. I have never done it. I am 100% gay. I am not grossed out by it and would try it for shits and giggles. Am I on doublelist or tinder looking for it? No. But if I was a in a threesome with a hot couple I'd try. That doesn't make me bisexual. Sex is something people do, it doesn't define who they are as people.

[quote] Straight men having sex with men is as common as gay men having sex with women. Simple as that.

R312 doesn’t do Ifs, Buts or Maybes, he does Absolutes😂

The fiction writers in this thread should make a story about a gay man who fucks pussy on the downlow; it would be as ridiculous as straight guys seeking guys for sex.

[quote][R298], a blow job is not a handshake, and that’s especially true if the man receiving head isn’t even attracted to men. A man who will willingly let another man suck him off or seek out a man for this purpose (outside of a glory hole), is NOT straight. Period.

r299, please find another hill to die on! NOWHERE in my post did I say those men where straight. I just said they are in another place on the sexual spectrum, in my opinion. A dude you only give head to is not in the same category as dude who wants to fuck you and conquer you sexually.

From experience many straight guys do the gay stuff for a couple of good reasons.

They soon realise no-one can pleasure a man like another man and the physicality of it is free of the limitations that having sex with a female entails.

It's also free of the emotional baggage that a female brings to the bargain. There's no wining and dining, proving your love and all the other nurturing stuff that women bring to the table as a condition.

Straight guys come to learn that going gay in the sexual aspect is free and easy and pretty much on tap if they want.

It's enticing once they get past the initial barrier of cultural expectation.

Not all, if course, and no-one of us claimed that. There is a proportion, though, that once they break through that initial inhibition, come back for it again and again when they just want free, easy, physical and guilt free sex without condition.

Females, by their nature cannot compete with that.

No female is after your trade Nelly.

[quote] once they break through that initial inhibition, come back for it again and again when they just want free, easy, physical and guilt free sex without condition. Females, by their nature cannot compete with that.

R317 yeah, must admit it's nice as a lesbian getting straight women to realise that men will never give them a totally relaxed, holistic, egalitarian sexual experience.

A straight guy comes up to the gay guy and say i want do this and this and this when we have sex.

Gay guy goes, sure...sounds hot and good,

Straight guys proposes the same to a female.

Her response is... you disgusting pig. I'm not just some piece of meat...etc

And you wonder why the straight dudes go the other way when it suits?

[quote] A man who will willingly let another man suck him off or seek out a man for this purpose (outside of a glory hole), is NOT straight.

I fail to see the difference that a glory hole would make. You contradicted yourself.

And they get underneath Dan Abrams and Gavin Newsom’s desk

If we keep putting “straight” in quotation marks, will that end this discussion?

[quote]Where do you all live? Chatsworth CA, the porn capital of the 90's? I live in a sexless world.

Don't feel bad, R223. I live 10 minutes from Chatsworth, but I'm not getting any dick, either.

r323, I think putting "sex" in quotation marks would.

[quote] If we keep putting “straight” in quotation marks, will that end this discussion?

No. DL abuses quotation marks like there is no tomorrow.

[quote] Females, by their nature cannot compete with that.

Oh but they can R317. The majority of men prefer women, it's only a minority that don't. It's gay men like yourself who are competing against women (and losing) and the fact that a man has to let go of his inhibitions just to fuck a man is proof enough women can compete (and win). Men having sex with women is the default of every society, it's gay sex that is the exception, and in most societies, considered shameful.

[quote]once they break through that initial inhibition, come back for it again and again when they just want free, easy, physical and guilt free sex without condition. Females, by their nature cannot compete with that.

I always tell curious guys, who is going to know how to suck dick better, someone who was born with one or someone who became casual friends with one at 18? Straight guys, in the hands of a good cocksucker, freak the fuck out at the disparity of the situation. They actually get mad that women can't suck dick like that. Because remember, MOST straight guys are not dating, married to porn star sluts who swallow cock. Most guys have to manipulate, negotiate, their way into a 7 minute toothy, clumsy blowjob. I would imagine most women fluctuate between barely kissing / licking it and ripping it off the guys body.

R328 they aren't straight.

[quote]They actually get mad that women can't suck dick like that.

You're spot on here in my experience too.

Imagine.

Straight guy: I want a rim job, I want to deep throat you, I want you to suck my toes, I want to hold your throat and I may want to put my foot on your face.

Gay guy: That's all?

Wife: Here are the divorce papers!

Straight guy: (Speed dialing gay friend)

Straight men having sex with a gay man is free, easy, without drama, expectation, obligation, reciprocation, emotion and is unlimited in physical expression no normal woman would likely agree to.

That's a pretty good advertisement.

R331 would you let a woman stand on your face if she demanded it? Would you allow her to coerce you into licking her soles? Would you suck her ass under duress? All because if you didn’t agree to these, there’s a chance she might turn extremely violent or abusive on you, or even rape you?

Somehow I doubt it. Because it’s pretty degrading, right? Add that to two thousand years of your sex being degraded, and maybe you’ll start to see what the issue is...

Stamding on the face is for freaks.

See R333.

Women bring such baggage to the table and no wonder straight guys seek out the no hassle gays.

Standing on someone's face is merely a sexual fetish.

Standing on their face outside a sexual act is an entirely different matter. Don't confuse the two.

You can practically hear the nelly hissing in some of these posts.

R333 is the exact Limp Dick inducing discussions that send any man, Str8 or Gay, running. Men get men and how they feel about sex. Straight men prefer fucking women but actually like Men in general much better. When it comes to sex, no one wants a fucking political discussion. And no one wants to feel bad about or be judged for what they desire.

[quote] Men get men and how they feel about sex. Straight men prefer fucking women but actually like Men in general much better.

Homosocial preference goes the other direction, too, though. Women generally like and trust other women more, period. And really, can you blame them for being more suspicious of men, considering black-and-white evidence? Interesting that you'll castigate women for daring to be selective or defensive (for safety, 'I wanna stay alive' reasons), then turn around say men can treat women with all the disdain they want just because "urg blurg hurr durr why cum on face bad?'" Make it make sense.

Lol the Fraus greyed out OP

[quote]Women generally like and trust other women more...

Do they really though? Some of the most vicious, malicious, anxiety inducing work environments I've ever been in were run mostly by women.  Women kinda hate each other and openly prefer men in a work environment over each other. If a man doesn't like you, he won't fuck with you. If a woman doesn't like you, she'll end up being the bridesmaid at your wedding. And where is your argument coming from? I really don't understand the rest of what you are saying. It just goes to prove that delicate dance that guys must do with women to have sex (especially now) is becoming less and less worth it. More dudes are just masturbating all the time. And a handful of them are turning to their gay best friends for head.

Like this guy in the video will be doing after this. His girlfriend didn't know what she unleashed when she encouraged this to happen. Look at his face at the 1:25 mark. It looks like he hasn't been blown in a year. Super hot oldie but goodie.

Are men really so stupid as to think that a porn video is real? I'm looking at you R341. No wonder it's so easy to catfish.

The funniest part of R341 is him being so steam-pressed to tell us this NOW so he doesn't have to tell us THEN (see? men are guilty of that too):

[quote] that delicate dance that guys must do with women to have sex (especially now) is becoming less and less worth it. More dudes are just masturbating all the time. And a handful of them are turning to their gay best friends for head.

Like lmao ok honey we heard you the first dozen damn times.

And just why do you think most women would even care that much about this trend? For every rare 8+inch. charming bronzed chiseled demigod, there's like fifty saggy, limp, small-dicks attached to pale short or skinny MRA freaks, who are now off the market to women...oh no...how will we ever go on...

Sperm banks have more than enough donations to run for a hundred years, and as far as recreation goes toys these days are excellent and intricate. Plus females can and will just as easily adapt and survive without dick and turn to each other instead, believe this lesbian...

[quote]And just why do you think most women would even care that much about this trend? For every rare 8+inch. charming bronzed chiseled demigod, there's like fifty saggy, limp, small-dicks attached to pale short or skinny MRA freaks, who are now off the market to women...oh no...how will we ever go on... Sperm banks have more than enough donations to run for a hundred years, and as far as recreation goes toys these days are excellent and intricate. Plus females can and will just as easily adapt and survive without dick and turn to each other instead, believe this lesbian...

this is seizure inducing.

[quote]Straight men having sex with a gay man is free, easy, without drama, expectation, obligation, reciprocation, emotion and is unlimited in physical expression no normal woman would likely agree to.

[quote]Straight guys, in the hands of a good cocksucker, freak the fuck out at the disparity of the situation. They actually get mad that women can't suck dick like that.

Welp, I'm glad you vacuum cleaner dick sucker types get off on the thrill alone. I like a dude who will pay a bill or two and buy me nice things, too. For that you generally gotta have the whole package, they usually don't break off trolls. After that nut they're outta there to pick up the kids lol

Pay your own damn bills and buy your own damn things.

Talk about unprincipled leeches.

We've also gotta deal with angry Lesbians invading the thread as well!

R345 typing from the surgeon's table under local anesthesia getting butt implants.

[quote]Talk about unprincipled leeches.

lmao yes soooo much principle in sucking some woman's old husband off r346

if those invisible trophies you have for dick sucking provide you satisfaction, that's great. But you can't take that to the bank gurl....

They're so....angry about gay guys hooking up with straight guys. So...so...angry about it. Weird.

I think some gays are worried the boundaries being broken down will mean they may be a little less special in their own eyes.

You aint that little special 10%(or whatever it is) above the rest of the societal fray.

R156

Agreed. Some men never get over finding out they're gay, and they have to rope in straight men to make themselves feel better. Or they bash women. Whatever.

You're all completely ignoring the DL misery factor. Go to any thread dedicated to the mentioning of anyone or anything positive and note the swarm of trolls systematically dismantling that assertion like flies to dog shit!

BE NICE!

R297 I used to blow a married straight guy in my neighborhhod. He had a nice dick and I enjoyed it, but he would do things like reach down and stop my hand from wandering up to his belly, or pull my hands away from touching his thighs. He seemd to think his role was less gay if he limited the touch to just his dick and my mouth. It got old pretty quickly.

You forgot to use quotation marks, r352

R353 Quotation marks around what?

R353 Oh, around "straight." Hahaha! Sorry, a little slow on the uptake today.

Married “straight” guy…

Who liked having his "cock" sucked. And didn't want his "wife" to know.

R352 WHORE!!!

R358 Guilty as charged. But hey, wives of the world! Maybe try being a little less allergic to dick!

What wife is gonna give her husband a good rim job, deep throat his cock, suck on his ballsack, get a face spray of cum and throw in a toe job as well?

You wonder why it's "gay all the way" for a lot of "straight" men.

There's no way my straight man can get from his wife or even a female piece on the side the stuff that I can deliver literally on tap and not need a bunch of roses in return.

^Hear, hear! That should be chiseled in stone on a solid-gold monument on the Mall!

If a guy says he's "straight" especially if he's married, you should stay away for no other reason than to avoid being the case that gets the Gay Panic defense put to the test again.

R360 Is your "straight" man poor or too cheap to pay a female prostitute who would give him all the stuff wife wouldn't. Cause in the old days guys went to prostitutes to get what they couldn't from their uptight ladies. They still do if they are not misers or broke.

Yes, good advice. Be paranoid. Be afraid. Experience is your enemy.

R363, this isn't 1978, prostitutes cost a shit ton of money for the the full blown sex anymore. Mostly likely you wouldn't want to sleep with the kind of prostitute you could afford.

I believe that a truly heterosexual man would choose even a less attractive and middle aged less expensive prostitute for sex than a gay man and they probably do.

sign up for grindr, frau, and see. simple.

Rose, those guys on Grindr are lying. Even if they are married they are closet cases. I can say I am a straight married athlete, 20 yo, 6'6' tall on Grindr. Who is not lying on Grindr.

Btw. straight guys are on Tinder.

I'm just gonna enjoy sucking those big juicy straight married cocks while you bitches argue the semantics of who should be addressed as straight, bi or whatever.

You can't really lie about your age or height once someone meets you in person. You can pretend to be straight and married though.

The fraus on here are in a lalaland. They make a Grindr account. They'll see their husbands, boyfriends and even underage teenage sons on here. The amount of faceless profiles who hit you up and let you know they're "discreet", send pics of their bodies and don't even want to show their face pic is staggering. It's not hard to bottom whores who will Uber 20 miles over to your house to suck dick.

R369 well one thing is for sure, those cocks you're sucking aren't attached to a straight man. I think all of us intelligent people can agree on that.

To straight men*....unless it's a man with multiple cocks

ummmm...

Go, R369! Maybe everyone should just take a leaf out of your book and enjoy sex rather than overanalysing everything, then humans would be a lot happier.

By the sounds of it, a lot of people aren't getting much sex in this thread, gay or straight.

The smart ones are getting straight dick on tap and the other Kaftan brigade are buried deep in their old gender studies text reading up on human sexuality.

It's called having standards R376, try it out sometime.

^Personally I have no interest in having other people apply their so-called "standards" to me. Gay men have had to fight for a long time for the ability to have sex with no shame, and it seems pretty ridiculous that some who are supposedly from within the community are now trying to shame other gays for having sex.

Well r378, for me it not sex unless someone's bussy is getting wrecked. Like I said before, sucking dick is like a hand shake these days 🥱 But get your life hunny

R369 That's the spirit!

R379 is Bill Clinton.

R379 Accidentally shits when he smiles.

Are these straight men on Prep?

I’ve experienced a lot of straight men who are happy to bareback

These "straight" men might be pox carriers.

Begone frau, you have no power here

Are you talking to me R385? I'm not frau, so my power is unfathomable to one as lowly as the!!! but seriously I'm just a middle-aged gay man who knows not to touch other people's property.

Apparently, if you touch other peoples‘ property, a pox upon you.